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Patrick Mahomes & Chiefs are Back, Chargers are Cooked + The end of Deion Sanders Era | 09.21 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time presented by
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  Speaker 1: start talking bad about people to start the show, but no,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to have to hang on for that bit
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  Speaker 1: of goodness. In the meantime, um, it appears that the
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  Speaker 1: best quarterback I have ever seen has returned. Patrick Mahomes
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  Speaker 1: against the Colts. I do want to throw this out here.
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  Speaker 1: That game went to overtime, which certainly is not an
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  Speaker 1: encouraging thing.
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  Speaker 3: Went to at the last very second to overtime.
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  Speaker 2: Literally, literally, right?
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  Speaker 1: I understand that if you are the Chiefs, that is
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  Speaker 1: certainly not what you want, right?
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  Speaker 2: However, right? I think we'd both agree.
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  Speaker 1: Mahomes looked like a dude coming off ACL tear in
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  Speaker 1: week one. I thought he looked kind of like Patrick
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  Speaker 1: Mahomes in week two.
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  Speaker 3: Especially with, you know, now what we used to think
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  Speaker 3: about those receivers and now what we think about this
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  Speaker 3: group of receivers.
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  Speaker 1: Yo, I was just about to say, because God knows
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  Speaker 1: they need him. My goodness.
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  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 1: If they need Patrick Kelsey, I mean, Patrick Kelsey. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know who I was making. Oh, Patrick Mahomes.
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  Speaker 2: There we go. I was like, who am I even
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  Speaker 2: making him?
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  Speaker 1: If they need Travis Kelsey to get nine catches for
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  Speaker 1: a hundred something yards in order for.
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  Speaker 2: Them to win, they got problems.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: They, they, they, they've got problems.
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  Speaker 1: Like when you look down and the second leading receiver
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  Speaker 1: was Taequann Thornton, who by the way, wasn't bad.
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  Speaker 2: Rasheed Rice. I saw him make that one big play, right?
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  Speaker 2: Not bad. Xavier Worthy.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't think it's, as my brother says, there's
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  Speaker 1: weight classes for a reason.
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  Speaker 3: Is he a featherweight?
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  Speaker 2: He is a featherweight.
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  Speaker 1: He's so fast, though. Like, he was so good in college.
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  Speaker 1: And I firmly, what it does, I feel like what
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  Speaker 1: Worthy does is helps you understand how special Tyreek was.
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  Speaker 1: Because Tyreek is much more in the running back build
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing. And look, it's not just that he
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  Speaker 1: was fast. It's that he had crazy acceleration. He's quick
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  Speaker 1: side to side. Like, it was all the things. And
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  Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy is just.
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  Speaker 3: He also had track speed and NFL speed. Yes. Which
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  Speaker 3: are two very, very different things.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Xavier Worthy has track speed.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And I think he has NFL speed. But he ain't
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  Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like, it's just not that. Like, that receiving core.
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  Speaker 2: We don't expect them to.
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  Speaker 1: Do what they did here every week, I think is
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  Speaker 1: the best way to put it. There's nobody that you
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  Speaker 1: truly feel like you can count on. Now, look, now
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  Speaker 1: that Rasheed Wright's out of jail, right, maybe his mind's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit clearer. I don't know. I mean, because
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  Speaker 1: he certainly had been treated and observed and seemed like
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  Speaker 1: somebody that you thought could be that guy. But it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't feel like they've got that guy.
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  Speaker 2: It does feel like they got a hammer, though.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I will not be surprised if Kenneth Walker leads
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  Speaker 1: the league in rushing this.
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  Speaker 4: Year, will you?
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  Speaker 3: No, especially because they're clearly committed to it. That's clearly
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  Speaker 3: what they've decided to do all season long. They gave
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  Speaker 3: him the big contract. Yes. And, I mean, they've decided,
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  Speaker 3: you know, trying to protect Patrick Mahomes for that long
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  Speaker 3: is kind of a fool's errand. So let's just, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Andy Vlade always likes to run the ball, and he's
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  Speaker 3: certainly going to like to this year.
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  Speaker 1: And I am here for a 20-carrier game running back.
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  Speaker 1: Bring it back. I am here for it. That is
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  Speaker 1: simply the way that I believe this game is supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be played. But look, if you can do that, right,
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  Speaker 1: you can hammer them on the ground, and Mahomes is
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  Speaker 1: going to give you 380 yards. Hey, hey, they might
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  Speaker 1: have something. The counterpoint, of course, is there's no good
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  Speaker 1: reason that they should have given up 30 points to
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  Speaker 1: the Mahomes.
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  Speaker 3: No, to Daniel Jones on one leg.
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  Speaker 1: Not in that game, not in that way. Now, yes,
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  Speaker 1: the Colts do have... I don't remember if I've told
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  Speaker 1: you this or I've said this on the show. This
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  Speaker 1: is a hot take, but I think it's so right
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  Speaker 1: that it's not even hot. Jonathan Taylor is literally the
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  Speaker 1: most underrated player in the history of football.
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  Speaker 3: Right, because he's like... Isn't he a top five college
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  Speaker 3: all-time yards guy?
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  Speaker 1: Number six.
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  Speaker 2: But in three years.
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  Speaker 1: He ran for 6,000 yards in three years, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't think he got to be a Heisman finalist.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: What are we talking about here, right? He's run for something, like,
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  Speaker 1: he's had an 1,800-yard season. He's averaged over 10 touchdowns
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  Speaker 1: a game. Like, even with the injuries that he's had
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  Speaker 1: as an NFL running back. Like, he has an all-time
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  Speaker 1: resume in a lot of ways, and he's just, like,
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  Speaker 1: a dude in the NFL, right? Like, I thought... I
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  Speaker 1: agree with Steichen where people thought he played it safe
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  Speaker 1: late with running the ball.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, no, I'm giving the ball to my best player.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to try to win this.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: You want me to win and you want me to
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  Speaker 1: tell Daniel Jones to do it.
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Make your fucking mind up.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Especially if their best receiver left the game with
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  Speaker 3: an injury halfway through.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what are we talking? I know. But again, for
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  Speaker 1: the Chiefs, it was not encouraging to me that it
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  Speaker 1: came down in this game the way that it did, right?
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  Speaker 2: But look, they're coming off. They beat the Broncos by
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  Speaker 2: three touchdowns.
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  Speaker 1: Now granted, they got to play both games at home,
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  Speaker 1: but they beat the Broncos by three touchdowns. They squeaked
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  Speaker 1: this one out with serious cause for optimism. Now they
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  Speaker 1: just got to keep up with the high fly Raiders.
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  Speaker 1: The Raiders are 2-0.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Kirk Cousins.
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  Speaker 1: With Kirk Cousins. And Kirk Cousins, who riot, I don't,
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  Speaker 1: You're going to know this when I say it. It's
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  Speaker 1: just going to sound a little crazy. Kirk Cousins in
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  Speaker 1: his 15th year in the league. You never could have
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  Speaker 1: told me that he was going to stick around in
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  Speaker 1: this league for 15 years.
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  Speaker 3: You might have a few more too.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to why he will in a second, but
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  Speaker 1: me as the guy who in his fourth year was like,
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  Speaker 1: fuck out of here with this. And then it started
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  Speaker 1: turning around a little bit after that. It's a wild story.
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  Speaker 1: We'll have to talk about that a little later. It
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  Speaker 1: feels like forever ago.
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  Speaker 2: But he can stick around for a while for one
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  Speaker 2: big reason, man.
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  Speaker 1: Vibes. Vibes. And right now, like, Kirk Cousins clearly, and
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  Speaker 1: the Raiders have a history of this, right? And that
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  Speaker 1: is to say, they are a franchise who believes in
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  Speaker 1: the value of representation. And this is what I mean. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: they're the first team to have a black head coach,
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  Speaker 1: first team to have a Latino head coach, first team
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  Speaker 1: to have a woman in charge of.
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  Speaker 2: The whole operation.
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  Speaker 1: They were fairly early on the black quarterback program, even,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if they didn't stick around with it as long.
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  Speaker 2: As I would have expected in some ways.
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  Speaker 1: But whatever. Right. Like there's a there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: raiderness there in terms of representation.
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  Speaker 2: But it also goes in directions that you might.
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  Speaker 1: Not think of. And for them, they recognize how in
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  Speaker 1: the world is Fernando Mendoza supposed to believe that a
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  Speaker 1: dork like him could ever be successful in the NFL
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  Speaker 1: without providing him an example. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Like if you can see it, you can be it.
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  Speaker 1: And that's, that's why representation matters. Ron Rivera saw Tom Flores.
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  Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: Um, What do you call it?
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  Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin.
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  Speaker 2: He saw our show. Fernando Mendoza. He sees Kirk Cousins.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe over at Kirk Cousins' house, drinking Shirley Temples, watching film.
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  Speaker 2: A little Bible study.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Whole nine, right? They got
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  Speaker 1: a chance. But yeah, they are two. No, this is
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  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins coming off. It was two years removed from
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  Speaker 1: the Achilles? Right. Actually, I think the Raiders are kind
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  Speaker 1: of doing themselves a bit of a disservice by racking
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  Speaker 1: up all these victories.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all boys need some pieces. Y'all need parts.
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  Speaker 3: The funny thing is with Kirk Cousins is, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he's always been, you know, the Kyle Shanahan dream quarterback, right? For,
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  Speaker 3: you know, 10 years.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't make any sense, but yes.
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  Speaker 3: But now, as every team, every one of every three teams,
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  Speaker 3: has a Kyle Shanahan disciple as the head coach.
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  Speaker 1: It's true.
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  Speaker 3: If you need a savvy veteran quarterback to teach you
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  Speaker 3: the system.
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  Speaker 2: It's true.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, by now, we would have, honestly, in 2015
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, I thought that by now, Kirk Cousins would
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  Speaker 1: be with David Blau. What's the other one? Davis Webb.
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  Speaker 1: You know, out there with a baseball cap on. and
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  Speaker 1: the call sheet and the headset, like all of that.
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  Speaker 3: One of the Doyles, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He'd be out here. You figured that
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  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins would be out here calling plays. Man, Kirk
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  Speaker 1: Cousins is so goddamn rich. He ain't calling no plays
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  Speaker 1: after this is over. No chance. No chance.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, he's still out here doing it. Can't believe it.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out to you, Drake May, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh. We'll talk more about the not great teams later, but,
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  Speaker 1: oh boy, they're, they're, Their quarterback is cooked. It's over.
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  Speaker 3: It was a good time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. It was a long time, too.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: But I can't believe they saw what he did last
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  Speaker 1: year and thought, hey, you know what? We can do
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  Speaker 1: that again.
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  Speaker 3: Do that again with his old coach who he ran
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  Speaker 3: out of town 10 years ago. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. I want to ask you this, though, about the Eagles,
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  Speaker 1: who are now 2-0 after two what I would term
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  Speaker 1: not quite impressive wins. But I have felt like when
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  Speaker 1: I have watched those games, that Jalen Hurts did look good.
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  Speaker 1: um and they're gonna look kind of right now they're
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  Speaker 1: looking kind of last laughy when it comes to the
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  Speaker 1: a.j brown trade because a.j brown is hurt and the
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  Speaker 1: offense doesn't look any worse in philadelphia without him and.
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  Speaker 3: It looks and it looks like they're better throwing the
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  Speaker 3: ball down the field.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he looks so much more confident. Maybe they finally got,
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  Speaker 1: you know, got through to him. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Or maybe it's Mannion, the new offensive coordinator, right? Maybe
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  Speaker 2: that's part of it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. But at the same time, they played
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  Speaker 1: two bad teams and barely beat both.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, beat two terrible teams by a combined six points.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know what I'm supposed to do
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  Speaker 1: with that because I'm here to give all the Jalen
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  Speaker 1: Hurts credit that people say I don't give. But what's
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  Speaker 1: going on here, right? That being said, did you see
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  Speaker 1: the temperatures on the field in that game? They said
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  Speaker 1: that the temperature of the turf was 157 degrees, and
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  Speaker 1: they kept playing.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing. Football, only thing, what we learned, the
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  Speaker 1: only thing that'll stop football is lightning. We have learned
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  Speaker 1: that somebody dying, or at least the appearance of dying.
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  Speaker 3: Temporarily dying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that eventually stopped it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But there was no protocol for that. Only for lightning.
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  Speaker 1: Do we have a protocol of we're just not going
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  Speaker 1: to play? Which says a lot about the power of lightning.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what I think that comes down to?
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  Speaker 2: That's all about the Bible, baby. Don't nobody want to
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  Speaker 2: get smoked.
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  Speaker 3: So your take is people are scared of lightning because
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  Speaker 3: it's like the physical manifestation of getting smited from on high?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yes.
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  Speaker 1: That is basically what I think it is. That's the
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  Speaker 1: only explanation. Everything else, they just keep fucking playing.
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  Speaker 3: I do think it's funny. It's like, it's definitely 160
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  Speaker 3: degrees on the field.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: But it might strike lightning.
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  Speaker 1: Right. That's what I'm saying. But you know what?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I think here's what the other part is. I
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  Speaker 2: think this may be what it comes down to.
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  Speaker 1: It's 150 degrees on the field where we don't sell tickets.
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  Speaker 3: Correct. There are no paying customers on the field.
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  Speaker 2: They don't really see what the big deal is. But Lightning.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Lightning, that's going to get you sued. It was ridiculous
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  Speaker 1: in that game for those conditions. Shout out to the
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  Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. They did what they got to do, man.
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  Speaker 1: Do enough just to keep us out here. Keep us thinking.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Offensively, they look really good.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Dak Prescott at home versus an NFC East opponent.
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  Speaker 3: It's almost automatic at this point. Count it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Just count it. Denver, way to save your season
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  Speaker 1: there because it wasn't looking so great there.
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  Speaker 2: Ryan, you said it best.
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  Speaker 1: You have these games where Trevor Lawrence is great except
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  Speaker 1: for the fourth quarter. And then you have these games
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  Speaker 1: where Bo Nix can't do anything except in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 2: And they happened at the same time.
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: They're the exact same game.
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  Speaker 3: It is really remarkable because that has been the case.
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  Speaker 3: for Bo Nix for about seven years.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to be more than seven. He was in
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  Speaker 1: college for seven, wasn't he?
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  Speaker 3: I think he was in college for five, and this
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  Speaker 3: is year three.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I thought he was in college for six.
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  Speaker 3: It might have been six, but whatever.
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  Speaker 1: It felt like a long time. It's so interesting, and
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  Speaker 1: I think it's just because Bo Nix was so much
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  Speaker 1: more visible, but your guy, Tyler Shuck, came out of
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  Speaker 1: here with a big win over the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Tyler Shuck is old as hell, too.
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  Speaker 3: Same high school class as Trevor Lawrence.
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  Speaker 1: But he doesn't feel nearly as old as Bo Nix
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  Speaker 1: did because we watched Bo Nix have two full careers
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  Speaker 1: at two different schools. Even if you didn't know that
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  Speaker 1: Bo Nix had played at Auburn, you would have seen
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  Speaker 1: Bo Nix play at Oregon and still felt like, damn, he's.
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  Speaker 2: Been here forever.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: He's like basketball Scotty Reynolds. I mean, football Scotty Reynolds.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, damn, how have you been here for so long?
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  Speaker 1: And now he's in year three. So when he came
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  Speaker 1: out of college, there's no way you were going to
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  Speaker 1: tell me that he was going to get better. He
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  Speaker 1: was 30. As far as I was concerned, I thought
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  Speaker 1: he was in his prime. The second he stepped out,
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  Speaker 1: he might as well have been Brandon Wheaton for me.
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  Speaker 1: He might as well have gone and played minor league
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  Speaker 1: baseball first. Like he really might have. You still can't
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  Speaker 1: get me to buy into this. I just can't. He
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  Speaker 1: was really good that last playoff game before he got hurt.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it's going to take. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I've ever been more dug in based on
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  Speaker 1: my priors with somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Like I am with this guy.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just because I already saw him play for
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  Speaker 1: a gazillion years.
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  Speaker 2: Already did. Anybody else have a good time this week?
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  Speaker 1: Way to go, Matt LaFleur, because it was about to
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  Speaker 1: be super hot on your key street if you'd have
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  Speaker 1: come out here and lost to the Jets.
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  Speaker 3: They were down 10 in the fourth quarter. And then
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  Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn bungled that. He's not going to be there
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  Speaker 3: for long.
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  Speaker 1: The Aaron Glenn thing. I didn't feel like if you
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  Speaker 1: watch the Lions a lot, you really felt great about
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  Speaker 1: him as like a coordinator.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't bad.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But that was not, we were not watching Brian Flores
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  Speaker 1: over there. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: But if you watch.
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  Speaker 1: Like hard knocks and watch the way that he interacted
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  Speaker 1: with the team, you saw, Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: We might got ourselves a head coach here.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like it was, it was very clear in the way.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: He had that.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: He's so bad at press conferences.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: And a significant part of the job that he has
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: is being good.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: At press conferences. Specifically that job.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: He's bad at them and makes decisions that require press
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: conference explanations.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: This is the last year for him. He will not
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: be there.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: For much longer, and I will not be marching in
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: the streets behind that case. But that's who had good weeks.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about who had bad weeks in
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: just a second. And I'm just going to tell you
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: that somehow the answer is not who you think.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: And that other one, it's not that one either. What
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: do I mean?
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: All right, so Ryan, I think of myself as a
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: good friend. It's kind of like, to me, it's like
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: somewhat central to my self-concept. Like, to me, it's very
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: important that I be.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: A good friend. It's part of who you are, who
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: you want to be.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I want to be. That's probably the best way.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: It's not my place to answer these questions, right? But
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: it's certainly part of who I want to be. So
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: there was a third down play in the first quarter.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I want to say third and 12. And Caleb Williams
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: went out there and did some old Tecmo Bowl type
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: shit to get away from the pass rush, right, all
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: the way to the other side of the field. And
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: it only turned out to be a four-yard run. Like,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: it wasn't a great play, but it was an incredible
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: feat of athleticism. And so I got on to FaceTime,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and I called my good buddy Danny Parkins, and he
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: was on the couch at his house, and I just
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: saw the happiness and satisfaction that had washed over his
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: face as that play went. And then after that, I
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: hit up a man, Goff, And, you know, Goff already
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: all the way in on this. Goff can't go back
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: to living like he used to, right? Goff already acting.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Like he's been like this his whole life, having a quarterback.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the bad times are over.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The bad times are over. The bad times never happen.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: You know, when you got a good quarterback, right? He's
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: all the way in.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: So that game was played in some serious rain, and
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I stopped watching it.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: For that reason. It was just too.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Much rain, and the offenses were bad. It was Carson
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Wentz on the other side. On one hand, it was like, oh,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Brian Flores, you're such a beast, right? On the other hand,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears only gave up nine points, and at
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the point I'm discussing, had only given up six. So clearly,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: the weather had a lot, lot, lot to do this. Like,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I am not sure that the Bulls are going to
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: give up more points a game this year coming than
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: the Bears do. Just not sure, okay? So I stopped
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: watching that game, and I flipped it over, and I
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: started watching Baltimore and the Saints, which we'll get to.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Then out of nowhere, I got a text from Goff
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: that said that I, quote, season over.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: But I had no idea what he was talking about
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: because I wasn't watching that game. And so I didn't
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: really see it. I didn't really give it no thought.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I think it happened while I was in the kitchen
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: making some food, right? So I didn't really give it no.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Thought, okay?
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: And then I saw that Caleb Williams was not simply injured,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: but was carted off of the field.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Which, this weird-ass mustache.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Thing he's going for is one thing. But, like, they
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: carted him off the field on a non-contact injury?
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: They said it was a hamstring, but they carted him
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: off the field. And I was like, damn. I called Parkins.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: He ain't even answering. He later told me he had
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: never paid less attention to a four o'clock slate in
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: his life. You know, my Chicago guys, man. And then
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I was on Instagram this morning and Parkins had the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: most obnoxiously incorrect take about that game. that one could
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: possibly imagine. And I'm like, man, they're going to be
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: firing your ass up today, boy. I know it, Bears fans.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: This has got to be tough. This has got to
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: be tough. I remember when y'all were talking yourselves into
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Tyler Bajent, Tyson Bajent?
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Tyson Bajent.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Tyson, okay.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I remember when y'all was talking yourselves into that one.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I can't remember if that was before or after Caleb
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Williams got there. It's always possible when you got a
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: quarter black The nearest white man, it's kind of like
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: a police situation. You know what I mean? Like, if
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: there ain't no police around, the nearest white man can
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: deputize himself.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like that when you got.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: A quarter black, people always ready to go to the
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: next one. But you guys saw very quickly, y'all need
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: y'all's Iceman back, like, ASAP. Who, by the way, I'm
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: warning right now, that mustache situation he got going, you're
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: starting to look a little bit too much like Jason
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Campbell and the locals remember him.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Now that is a name I haven't heard in a
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: long time.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just letting you know right now, man.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: It's not going to get you necessarily, like, that's not
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the reminder that they're looking for when it comes to you.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: But Minnesota's got to feel great. They squeaked out two
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: wins with Carson Wentz.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the Kyler Murray situation, I still
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: think Kyler Murray is, you could do a lot worse,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I guess is what I'm saying. They squeaked out these wins.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I saw Dominique talking about Flores. He said Flores is
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: out there working like this sorcery, sorcery out there on dudes.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Like this is, this is, this is going to be
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: a very interesting one, but even with Caleb Williams on
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: one leg, though, I saw that apparently he walked out
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: of the stadium on his own two legs with no
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: sort of adornment or anything like no, no medical stuff on. So,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you know, as golf said, maybe he got some Paul
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Pierce in him, you know, maybe he, that guy, Right?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: He just, you know, who else is on that list?
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Those dudes that always look like they about to die.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: And then next thing you know, it's just.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, he's straight.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Well, Bron had a run like that for a while.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, like the Bron's got that. Uh,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: does your little homie got that?
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Which one?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Uh, the old one. Not the new one. The first one.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, a little bit. Yeah, yeah.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Like that's a, I mean, it's a, it's a, it's
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: a prime trick.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: But, uh, The Chargers, guys, it's looking real bad over there.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Real bad.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: It's looking real bad.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Because it's not just that they lost these two games
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: at home. Both at home, right?
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Both at home. Two bad teams. Two bad teams, nearly
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: double-digit favorites.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Yes. Two bad teams. Now, so this is the thing.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I think all of us agree that Harbaugh is an
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: excellent coach. But I think one thing we all know
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: is that Harbaugh burns people out. And so they're in
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: year three. They went and got Mike McDaniel, who we
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: all generally think of as a top offensive mind, right?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Like one of these dudes.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: You lost to Arizona and you lost to the Raiders
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and neither game was close. And this quarterback that everybody's
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: so invested in look like cheeks again. What are we
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: doing here? Like, I don't have an answer for this.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: You guys are two games behind the Raiders. Now, all
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: of us reasonably believe that the Raiders are going to
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: come back down to earth, okay? But you're already two
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: games behind the Chiefs, right? The Broncos, who they were
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: just about to be in a dicey situation, but they
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: pulled out that win over Jacksonville in that game. Okay,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: but it is stunning how not good the Chargers have
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: been At this point. And I don't think this is
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: something anybody expected walking in the door.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Not good. And Justin Herbert's fumbling all over the field.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't I don't know where this goes.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Right. Like, I don't I don't know if there is
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: a world in which you decide we're going to fire
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: John Harbaugh.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, Jim Harbaugh in the middle of the season
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: or any of those things.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: However. Let us run through. the rest of the schedule
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: for the Chargers. And normally when you do this, you
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: just run through a stretch of games to prove the point. No,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I'm going to read off their next 15 games. Just
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: so you understand.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: At Buffalo. At Seattle.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Home for the Broncos. At the Chiefs.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: At the Rams. Home for the Texans. At the Ravens.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: And then you get to play the Jets. And then
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the Patriots.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: At Tampa. At the Raiders, which clearly is.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Not a gimme.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Home for the 49ers. At the Dolphins.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's one.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Give them two. Home for the Chiefs. At the Broncos.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: The wheels can come off of this really, really fast.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Also, you have to factor in Home for the Chargers,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: as we saw in this last game.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: That's right. They don't have home.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Home what?
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: The Chargers and the Raiders both play 17-row games. In fact,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: it's very interesting. The Raiders, I think, are more likely
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: to get a home game hosting the Chargers than the
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Chargers are.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Hosting the Raiders. I mean, that was 65-35 Raiders fans
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: in there yesterday.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: There's no question there are more Raiders fans in Los Angeles.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Than there are Chargers fans.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: And I don't know how many Chargers fans there are
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: who care enough to go to Las Vegas for the game.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Like I've said this since they made this decision to
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: do this, both with the Raiders.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: And also with the Chargers.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I think there's a net negative to the league and
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: the idea that you have teams whose cities don't care
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: about them.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Like with the Clippers and Steve.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Ballmer, the thing that you have to give Ballmer credit
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: for is they are Clipper fans now.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Like they've worked on building an actual base. I don't
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: see the chance for the Chargers to build a base there.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: The Raiders, the problem isn't that they don't have a base.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: The problem is that they play in Las Vegas. So
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: it becomes incredibly attractive for fans of other teams to
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: pull up and watch them. Um, but the Chargers, no, no, no, no, no.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: The wheels can really come off of this. Really, really
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: come off of this fast. Um, And I don't know
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: exactly what you do. I also don't know what it's
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: like to play for Jim Harbaugh if your team is
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: not good.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds like a not fun time.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got you this type A maniac, right? Like,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know exactly what you have
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: go on there. But they don't have the worst situation
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: going into next week. Somehow, neither do the Falcons, who
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: are down to their third string quarterback, whom they benched
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: for someone I've never. Jack Strand from... Minnesota Moorhead, a
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: player I've never heard of from a school I've never
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: heard of, who is 6'5, 240 pounds, and he must
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: stink if he couldn't find it. He white, right?
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I'm going to guess.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: He's 6'5, 240. He couldn't get somebody to give him
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: a chance in the draft. He's ass. There's no question
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: about that. Falcons on offense got everything except somebody throwing
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the ball. Like, I mean, this is... I'm glad I
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: don't do that anymore. Hey, never time.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I'm real glad I don't do that.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: The Texans, C.J. Stroud did not play well. They lost again.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: But their bright side is, Brian, tell people the record
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: that whole AFC South has as a whole division.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: One and seven.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: So their season actually might not beat over, as it
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: generally is. The Bengals... Hey, they are 2-0 now. The
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Stroud thing, man. We had such high hopes.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: We had such high hopes.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: The same thing with Jaden Daniels. I did not see
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: what happened to his arm. Did you see what happened
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: to his arm?
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was yucky.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, I heard it was yucky, and therefore... I mean,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady said, oh, shit, on television.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I heard it was yucky.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't bother.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I don't do that. You know what I'm saying?
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: I don't do that either, but I caught it.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm... Dude, it is amazing how far that
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: thing has fallen in like two years. In two years.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: And this doesn't seem like it was an injury on
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the basis of, oh my God, he's so skinny and adorable.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: That just seems like one of those things that happened.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: But again, I ain't look at that. So I ain't
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: got to go there. Not the worst situation. Baltimore, I
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: thought Jim Harbaugh, and I'm not saying this sarcastically, I
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: literally thought John Harbaugh was the problem with them blowing
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: these leads. It happened again. And guys, they've changed out
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of parts when it came to blowing these leads.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Only one of them has stayed the same. And it's
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: the quarterback. And it's fair to ask, right?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Because he looked awesome.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Awesome for three quarters.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: And then they didn't score any more points.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: And the Saints walked them down. and then that weird interception.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: And I never know what I think sometimes or something.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: these passes lamar makes because his throwing motion looks like
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: he's throwing darts and i think that has a lot
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: to do with the way that people do not perceive
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: him as a precision pocket passer he is an awesome
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: pocket pass and if you were watching most of this
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: game you saw it he is great but once again
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: they stop scoring points.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: And I don't... Stop giving the ball to Derrick Henry, too.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: And again, these are new people. Last year's offensive coordinator
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: ain't even there. These are all new people. Like, everything
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: has changed except for the outcome. And I don't know.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I will say I felt like the.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Way that Bateman reacted at that interception, it looked like
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: he was the one that made the wrong move.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Like, he was supposed to run a different route.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: But the same thing keeps happening.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And as much as Lamar Jackson is a surefire Hall
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: of Famer in all of those things, You are the
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: thing held constant. We're going to have to figure that out.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: But hey, it could get worse. What could happen is
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: what happened in the Browns and Tampa Bay game. All right?
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Todd Bowles, you're done in this town.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Okay? They're down to the 0-2 at this point. And
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the worst of it was that game had like the crazy...
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: lightning delay.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah probably 90 minutes yeah yeah yeah so they had
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: to drag that out I don't know who watched the
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: end of that game because we all went to the
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: game of the week at that point it.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Felt like all of America was getting that game at
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: a point because it was the last game on and
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: then they went to the lightning delay and I don't
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: know if you got the online package but it just
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: gave us a screen that said this game is in
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: lightning delay yes like it felt very much old school
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: TV went off yeah right there's no TV left right
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: so anyway they gave Baker the money, right? So he's
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: clearly the guy. He's the one they're riding out with. Bowles,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: who I think has been a better coach in this
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: run than he was with the Jets. Bowles is not
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: a great coach. And the way this is going, no,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: they're going to get Bowles. I mean, thanks for stopping
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: by the booth. I think he had a good run.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I think he got a fair run. That's all you
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: can ask for, for a brother in that circumstance. Okay
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: for you, but you're down 0-2. That's bad news.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Although to be fair, Nobody else is 2-0 in that division.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: So let me stop. Maybe, Todd, you're not all the
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: way done. But you're done-ing.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: You're approaching, okay? But that's not who it was the
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: worst for. That's not even who it was the worst
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: for in that game.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: No question.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: The worst is for Cleveland Browns fans. It's not even
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the worst for the actual Cleveland Browns, okay? Because the
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns won. It's not bad for them. Todd Monk
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: has seemed very excited.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: You see that?
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys saw this, but Mike
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Tomlin got on television and said, to quote my friend
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Juju Smith-Schuster, the Browns is the Browns, which will be
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: a permanent quote forever. We don't get a lot of
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: good legendary shit-be-sinking type quotes, right?
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: The Browns is the Browns. That is... And I love
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: that Mike Tomlin.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Was Mike Tomlin being a good guy and not stealing
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: somebody else's joke? Or was Mike Tomlin being passive-aggressive and
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: attributing that line to somebody else rather than to himself?
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Both are on the board.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Also, does that mean that Mike Tomlin has squarely retired
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: from coaching or that Mike Tomlin was like, or is
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: it simply Mike Tomlin saying, even if I do come back,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I ain't coaching the fucking Browns?
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm certainly not leaving this TV booth. No, Mike
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Tomlin isn't going anywhere.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: But the Browns is the Browns.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Tom Buck after the game said the Browns is the Browns.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Fuck that.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Like that really stuck with him. He was really, really
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: upset about this. Like he was from Cleveland or something.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you he was saying the same thing just
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: last year. All right. But here's the thing. It's not
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: just that the Browns won. Deshaun Watson, nasty D, played
• 33:49
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• 33:55
  Speaker 1: down to win the game.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Outplayed Baker, who makes almost as much money as
• 34:01
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• 34:01
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• 34:05
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  Speaker 3: And Deshaun Watson.
• 34:09
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• 34:10
  Speaker 1: And I think, wasn't it the Bucs offensive coordinator said
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: something about how the Browns had their quarterback, but they
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: messed it up? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:18
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• 34:20
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• 34:23
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• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Baker was like, nah, man, why don't y'all just let
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: me go? He got on Instagram. It was like, it's
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: been real. I'm out of here.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Mr.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Chip on his shoulder.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Couldn't get it done.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Mr.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I don't even want to try any of the things
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: that would go right there.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Like, normally when I do something like that, I ain't
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: even decided what I would put after that, but I
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: could come up with something. Man, it was a lot
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: of contenders, all of which just felt inappropriate. But anyway,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Nasty D got it done. And so what Browns fans
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: had been hoping for was that the plan was just
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: simply that he was going to play bad, and then
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: for the home opener, they would sit him, and they
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: would push Shador in as the quarterback. Nope. That's not it.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: If you were to put Deshaun Watson on the bench now,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: you would honestly have a difficult time saying you were
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: trying to win. My good buddy Corey Erdman, who is
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: one of the only two Browns fans I know.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Poor guy.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: He's from Canada. He didn't have to do this.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: He sent me pictures of memorabilia that was sold or
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: like T-shirts for that game in Tampa. Towels that say
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: go away number four. A t-shirt that says, 230 million
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: guaranteed reasons we suck. 230 million problems and a quarterback
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: is one. And a t-shirt that on the front said,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: we miss number six with a picture of Baker Mayfield.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: By the way, none of these things are NFL licensed.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I just want to be clear.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: And the back that says, I came to Tampa to
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: see an ex. We missed number six. And now that
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: guy is going to be coming out of the tunnel
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: week one for the surprisingly one-and-one Cleveland Browns. Hold on.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Hold on.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Let me double-check this because I'm pretty sure. Oh, that's right.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Forgot that the Bengals are 2-0 because they were going
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: to be the first-place Cleveland Browns. And nobody's happy about it.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: None of them want this. They absolutely would have. They
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: would rather lose with Shador than win with Deshaun Watson.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Let's say that they rattled off four straight wins. How
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: many wins would the Browns have to have for them
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: to be happy that Deshaun Watson was the one doing it?
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're right or wrong for it. I'm
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: just saying straight up and down. We watched this with
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: the Dallas Mavericks. They would rather lose with Luka than
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: win without him, right? They've made that clear. How many,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: what would they have to go to feel good about
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: what their situation is? Like, what if Deshaun Watson not
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: just won, but had three straight games that looked like
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: he did over the weekend? Would they be happy about it?
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: No.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: And you know why?
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Because Deshaun Watson would come at that press conference and
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: be like, are you happy now?
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Talk about starting to negotiate for an extension.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: You know, I look forward to being here for the
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: rest of my career.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Assuming we can come to an agreement.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: On the duration. I'm not really interested in taking a
• 37:48
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• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm about to say, you know, I think I've
• 37:51
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• 37:52
  Speaker 1: What about you?
• 37:53
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• 37:53
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• 37:55
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• 37:57
  Speaker 2: And all I did was throw for 240. But he's
• 38:00
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• 38:05
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• 38:07
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• 38:11
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• 38:13
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• 38:15
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• 38:17
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• 38:18
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• 38:22
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• 41:50
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  Speaker 3: calling place? I do not Kelly. So they got their
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  Speaker 3: this result?
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  Speaker 1: First of all, do you know where Chip Kelly coached
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  Speaker 3: The Raiders. Oh, no, the Raiders. Sorry, the last job.
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  Speaker 3: New Hampshire. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. That is an important detail to me because it
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: was very clear with the Willie Lyle situation at Oregon
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: that Chip Kelly was not built for big-time college football.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: He just wants to call plays. Chip Kelly's at Northwestern.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Like, that's the kind of job that Chip Kelly needs. Anyway,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: so this Colorado thing is over. Or at least what
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: the promise of what Deion Sanders could have been is over.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: And the reason that it's over is that the comparative
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: advantage that you would have because Deion Sanders is your
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: coach no longer matters.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: The advantage that Colorado had with Deion Sanders being your
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: coach is that because he was such a big name,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: he could get you in the door with some players
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: that you wouldn't be in the.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Door with otherwise.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: So he could get this dude named Jordan Seaton, who
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: was a five star left tackle to go to Colorado.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Ryan, who does Jordan Seaton play for now?
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: LSU.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: As is going to be the case with every good player.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: That they have because Colorado doesn't have the money. And
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Deion sounded this alarm early. What do we need to
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: get players? We need money.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: He's right, right?
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: The coach is cool. That's not going to pull it
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: off anymore to get guys. And this is a Jimmy's
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: and Joe's sport. They're not going to be able to
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: do it in the ways that it looked like it
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: might be possible for that first month of that year.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: They're not getting any more Travis Hunters. And unless Deion...
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Been doing some work I don't know about. Didn't get
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: no more Shador Sanders, neither. Okay? The thing about this, though,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: is Deion came in the press conference and was talking
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: about how he's walking off the field and his players,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: after getting smashed like that, are laughing. And he's making
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: it very clear in that press conference that he's here
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: to win, that he badly wants to win, and how
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: much it infuriated him and how much it burned him up.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: that these guys on his team did not seem to
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: be serious about winning. And this is the trick bag
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: of the entire existence of Deion Sanders. And this is
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: what I mean by that. You don't get to be
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: as good as these things that Deion has done unless
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: you have been serious about them.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Forget the football.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: You do not become a major league baseball player unless
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: you are very serious about what you are doing, right?
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: You have to put in a certain number of at-bats,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: no matter who you are, to be good enough to
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: play baseball. And Deion pulled that off while also playing
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: all that football and running track and doing all these things, okay?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: He is a very serious person about what he did
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: on the field. And I think he cares very much
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: about winning. But on the other hand, I also remember
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: when Dion was trying to tell us that he's won
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: everywhere he's ever been. And I was like, does that
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: include the Falcons? Does that include Washington? What are you
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: talking about? You won with two teams that won anyway, right?
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: With the 49ers and the Cowboys. But my point being,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know if the people around him, because of
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: the way that he has branded and positioned himself, if
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: they think he's serious about winning, like Jeff Perlman wrote
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: a book about those Cowboys teams called boys will be boys.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: And he said, one of the things like with Dion
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: during the Switzer era was Dion would come out and
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: practice with no shoulder pads. And his thing was, cause
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I ain't going to hit nobody. But implicit in that
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: was I'm going to be so good in coverage that
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: it's never going to come up that I have to
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: hit anybody. But then the other guys on the team
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: want to practice without shoulder pads. Because Deion's practicing without
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: shoulder pads. And I don't know if those guys understand
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: that Deion is actually very serious about this. Because that
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: is a decidedly unserious thing to do. You know? And
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: so they had all the slogans and everything else. And like, yo,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: this is the cool place to go. One thing Deion
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: has been big on with that job is we got
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: the cameras running at all time. These kids want exposure.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: So we're going to do that. We're going to have
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: all the social media assets and everything else. And I
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: wonder for how many people the idea of going and
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: playing for Colorado is because.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Hey, man, it's look cool. Deion's cool, you know.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: But when we think about Deion's image as a football coach,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: We're still talking about Deion's image as Deion. And the
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: way that he positions himself before people is different than
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the other coaches do. And he's certainly allowed to be
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: different in how he does it. But I do wonder
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: to a degree, what exactly does this signal to the
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: people that are under your employ, right? Like what exactly
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: does this signal to the people that you coach? And
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know what he's like in practice.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know any of those things. I know that
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: he talks a lot about how he don't... he'll be
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: at work that long.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Right? Like, I know he talks all those things. And again,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I don't question how much he cares. I don't question
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: whether this is important to him. I do wonder how
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: this all trickles down, though.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Now, it is fair and possible that what I'm saying
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: is extrapolating too much from a couple of kids at
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: stupid age.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Doing something that is kind of stupid.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: And maybe that's going a little bit too far about it,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: but it was enough that Deion brought it to us.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: And the other thing that's happening, and part of why
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I think that what I described is just important, is important,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: we saw Chad Brown, who played in the glory days
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: at Colorado, played for the Seahawks, played for the Steelers,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: really good outside linebacker. And he's on Twitter asking the
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: questions about Deion, right? And what this reminds me of,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: and something I think is very important for a guy
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: like him, It's all good for Deion when you're winning.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: And all that shit seems cool. This happened to John
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Calipari too, right? Having the hip program and all of that,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: that all goes over as long as you're winning up
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: to the standard or to the level that the people
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: reasonably expect.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: For you to win at. Now when you're not winning,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: some other things come into play.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: And one thing that I have observed from Deion Sanders,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: and I saw this happen, another example of this is
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: those of us who were in North Carolina when Butch
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Davis was there. It's a dangerous thing when you come
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: to a new place and you don't show adequate respect
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: for the history that came before. Right. And one thing
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: that Dion did that clearly demonstrated that he did not
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: have adequate respect for what happened before. And look, the
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Colorado of my youth was a power. I understand they
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: weren't a power before that and they weren't after. But
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: they had a good 15-year run of being one of
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: the best programs in the country. Retiring Shador's number was
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: a clear demonstration that you did not respect the history
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: of that program. Retiring Travis Hunter's number was a no-brainer.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy winner. You do that.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Doing that with Shador, and those guys are like, well,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: what about Dion Figures? That's the history of the program.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: You know, like you trampled over the history of the
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: program when you did that. Those are the things that
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: people remember when it doesn't go well.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: So all those things like it doesn't matter when if
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: as long as you win. No, it doesn't matter while
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: you win. It does matter. The bill just comes due
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: much later. And what can very easily happen this year
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: for Dion is. That Bill's coming, dude. That excitement around
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: that program is not there anymore. Are the rappers still
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: going to that program, going to their games? Are they
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: getting on the cover of magazines on the basis of this?
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Is College Game Day showing back up? Has Stephen A
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: been back in that motherfucker? Are any of those things happening? No.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: What's happening is they're losing 41-7 to Northwestern. And it
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: feels exactly how it did when they were losing 41-7
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: under all those other coaches that they had to fire. Right?
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: The bill comes due on all of those things. And
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I think the bill has come due on all of it.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: The method of presentation, where I'm not saying there's anything
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: necessarily wrong with it, but I don't know if he
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: did enough signaling of the football stuff that people want
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: to feel like their football team is tough. People want
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: to feel like their football team is nasty. And Deion
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: sees himself as an old school guy. But he sold
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: it in a new school way. And I think all
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: of that's coming together. And if I was him, I
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: don't know what that buyout is. And maybe they can't
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: afford to let him go, but you need to start winning,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: figuring out a way to win a lot of games
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: because the way that you thought was going to do it,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: and this isn't his fault.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: It's not going to work.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: It's a different job now than the job that he took.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: It's not going to work that way. There's a world
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: in which Dion will be longing for the good old days.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: of Jackson State.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: All right, Bo. We got some voicemail. Just one voicemail
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: this week, but it really puts an exclamation point on
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: what we saw over the weekend. Here it is.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: Hey, Bo Marnie. This is Peter Fields. I'm in Tampa,
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: Florida by way of.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Did he say Peter Teal? Whoa, whoa. Press pause. Press pause.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Press pause. Press pause.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: That man didn't say his name was Peter Teal, was he?
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: No, it was not Peter Teal.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: I hope not.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: I was a little worried.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: You just read that book. You know what I'm saying?
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, man. Yeah. Nerd Reich.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I still got to read Nerd Reich.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: You got to read Nerd Reich. Turns out Peter Thiel,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: we're Nazi and really into the Antichrist. There's the spoilers.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: All right. Okay. Sorry. Let's start. Let's play this again.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: Hey, Bomani. This is Peter Fields. I'm in Tampa, Florida
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: by way of Advance, North Carolina. We just outside of
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: Winter Salem. Shadow went to Salem State. Question for you.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: I'm watching the Sunday episode and you just get into
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: the NC State part. Thank you for informing the broader
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: national audience of what it means to state. I was
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: texting my brother-in-law, who was a rugby player at Clemson
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: the other day, and I simply told him, I don't
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: think I've ever seen state state harder than how they
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: just stated. If you can think of a time that
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: state stated harder than the way they just stated against Vandy,
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: please let me know.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Ryan, did he say he went to Winston-Salem State?
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: I believe he did.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Does he sound like he went to Winston-Salem State?
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm not going to make those mistakes.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Nah, nah, nah, nah. But you hear the question and
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: you understand.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: I understand the question you're asking. I would say it's
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: a reasonable question.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, there we go. I mean, this is our show.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's a safe space for
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: such discussions.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I've tried to think about a time that NC State
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: did more NC State shit than what happened.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: And that, I don't... I would go so far as
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: to say....
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: It's never been quite like that.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Like they've, they've unlocked and gone to a whole nother place.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Like you can't even, all you had to do was
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: take a knee and instead you got tackled and gave
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: up the ball.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: The loss is worse every time I watch it. Every
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: time I think about it, I get, I get angrier. That,
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: that left, left Cristobal off the hook for the worst
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: loss in the last 10 years.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Oh man. Cause like I think about the worst loss
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: of the last like 25 years is that time that
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Baylor was up by one point or something like that
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: at the end of the game when Kevin Steele was
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: coaching them. And they had been so bad for so
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: long that he wanted to prove a point by running
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: in another touchdown. And then they fumbled and the ball
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: went all the way the other way. There's also, as
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you remember, I believe the play is called
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: the Hail Devery. When God Morris was the coach at Kentucky.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: And it goused him, yeah. That's up there.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: And then it was the bounce interception. Saban was the
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: coach then, right?
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Saban was there.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine? Like, I can't even think of what
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Saban's reaction to that is. And it was probably sadder
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: than it should have been. Yes.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, man. I mean, that Michigan-Michigan State game where they
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: blew the punts close.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's up there. Oh, God, that was up there.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: But at least bright side for Michigan, the guy from
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Michigan State who scored, I don't know if you remember this,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: he was on the bottom of the pile and they
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: broke his hip.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: So you could at least take some satisfaction. That was
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: a tough one. That was a tough one.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: It reminds me famously of back when I was very
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: young and I was playing Tecmo ball and I put
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: my brother, my brother 13 years older than me, but
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I put him on Tecmo Bowl. And man, we used
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: to have just epic Christmas Tecmo Bowl battles. Like that
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: is my memory of anything. But before he got the
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: hang of it, I was kind of dominating, right? And
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I remember once, I think maybe I was using Chicago
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: and he was using the Giants. And those of you
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: who may not remember this, Lawrence Taylor was the Bo
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Jackson of defense on Tecmo Bowl. It was colossally unfair.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: So anyway, I remember, I believe the score in the
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: game was 18 to 17 or something. And it had
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: to be 18 because I couldn't get no extra points
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: off because Lawrence Taylor would block them all. Okay? So
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: it's like 18 to 17. I'm losing.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: And I get down toward the goal line.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: And I throw a pass with Jim McMahon's old lollipopping ass.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: And Lawrence Taylor makes the interception at the one-yard line.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: But then he keeps going backwards and I tackle him
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: in the end zone for safety.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: And I won the game.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: And I've looked back on that now for like almost
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: 40 years. And I wondered how tough it was for
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: my brother because I was only nine or 10. So
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: he could not react the way that I'm sure that
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: he wanted to because I would have broke the TV.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: I just can't imagine what would have gone through like
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: my soul in that moment. Like I have no idea.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking my brother may hear this. It may
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: remember this at this time. That's the only thing I
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: could think of. I'm saying the only way it could
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: have been worse to state is if they lost to
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: a nine year old.
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Under those circumstances.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: That's, that's the, Oh gosh, I haven't even checked in
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: on any of that content over there. I can't, I can't.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: What a time.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: What a time.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: And by the way, it looked like Carolina was going
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: to be Clemson.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: For a little while.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: And then they did.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: They did not.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I was like, damn.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Did you see how quick Belichick gave dab on a
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: handshake at the end of the game?
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I just can't imagine what it's like to be Bill
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Belichick football master.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: And you lose, lose a game to that guy.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: That guy.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Like I assure you, they're not hanging out at the
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: coaches meetings.
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: No.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: No, and I assure you that Dabo has much judgment
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: for Bill Belichick and his relationship.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and his many decisions he's made.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, I believe the phrase.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: I guarantee you Dabo says there's still time for Bill
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: to find Jesus.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: I think the words living in sin have come from
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: his lips in reference to whatever Belichick is doing down there.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us here on The Right Time.
• 58:22
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• 58:24
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