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POISON THE WELL: Metalcore's Prodigal Sons RETURN. · The Downbeat

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  What's up guys, welcome back to the Downbeat podcast.
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  Chris of Poison the Well. Poison the Well are a genre
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  defining metal core band, One of my favourites of all time,
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  certainly when I was growing up. Some Seminole albums and they
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  are back after 17 years with a new album piece in place.
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  We're going to talk about the new album piece in place, I
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  hope. We're going to talk about the
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  old albums. We're going to talk about their
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  impact on metal core, what they think of metal core as it is
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  today. They're going to, I'm going to
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  dissect some of these lyrics that when I was a little boy
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  Downbeat podcast. Are you OK?
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  Yeah. Are you tired?
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  No, not at all. I can't.
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  I can't get. Read I I just want.
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  To be here. I do I I've just like I've
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  never. He's never done a podcast before
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  basically, and I've. Never done one of these and
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  yeah, so it's like my worst nightmares allowing me to talk
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  to the world. No.
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  Yeah fucking yeah are. You nervous?
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  Yeah, super nervous. I feel like people have a
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  perception of me because I've just never been around enough.
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  But I don't know, I'm always fucking eating shit.
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  So I feel like it's gonna do be like, oh fucking.
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  I thought he was a brooding look, fucking like sad guy and
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  motherfucker. You wrote the lyrics.
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  Yeah. Yeah, people.
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  Wanna know it? You're allowed to be both.
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  You're gonna be goofy. Jeffrey nobody cares about drum
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  beats. People care about lyrics.
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  Yeah, that's what this is true. I really fucked up with the
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  branding with the drumsticks of the podcast, 'cause I was like,
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  oh, the drum podcast. Yeah.
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  And I'm like, no, it's like that all podcast.
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  Yeah. Anyway, thanks for coming on the
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  Downbeat. Yeah, thank you for.
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  Having us. Yeah, it's been a minute.
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  We've been talking about this for a while and it it finally
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  happened, Yeah. Courtesy of Tom Williams Good
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  old Tom Williams. Two in a row, Tom.
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  Yeah, maybe. How many more you get?
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  Maybe even 3. Might have been 3 episodes in a
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  row with a Tom Williams shout out this podcast Tom Williams at
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  Gold Theory Management. What are you doing in Nashville?
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  Rehearsing that this like Amazon sized warehouse fulfillment
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  centre, that's the studio. There's like there's like arena
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  build outs and shit. It's.
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  Fucking crazy sound rock. Sound.
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  Attack there's there's two next to each other, one's called
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  sound something and one's called rock I.
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  Think it's rock? Yeah, Rock Nashville.
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  Why are you here? Because you're not playing a
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  show here. Well, I think originally we
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  wanted to go to Omaha because if he lives in Omaha and he just
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  had a kid. Congrats.
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  So instead of helping him go all the way to California, we were
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  like Nashville. Seemed it like it made the most
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  sense. Plus pulling audio and lighting
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  and buses and all that shit. Yeah, I think all of our was in
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  the bus here and gear, I don't know, just seemed like a nice
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  middle ground for everybody. Yeah.
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  Because yeah, I've been having to go to California for us to do
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  like rehearsals and. You can't revolve it with the
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  floor. Well, they've been doing, you
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  know, everybody's been trying to like accommodate my, my life
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  into the band, which I appreciate.
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  And you know, this was AI gave me a couple extra days at home.
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  First kid. First kid.
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  You had 17 fucking years, Yeah. To do that, yeah.
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  It it took a long time to find the the the person that, you
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  know, I wanted to spend the rest of my life with and have a baby
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  come on. No, but it took, you know, it
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  took a while the. Baby's brain kicked in.
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  I was like, you had 17 fucking years so.
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  The best part is we were talking.
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  We were like in an hour conversation.
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  I don't know where he's like, I'm gonna have a kid.
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  Yeah, you're like, what? This is like a few a few months
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  after the opposite tour. I was like, that's awesome.
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  This it's a time we're about to go like you good.
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  Like, yeah, you're gonna be able to manage all.
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  This. Yeah, he's.
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  Like, yeah, yeah, he's like, once again, I'm taking a page
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  out of Tom Williams, being able to, like, balance all this
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  stuff. But he has kids.
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  He has kids with fucking like the circus act with the plates
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  on sticks. Dude, he's like a master.
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  At it well to even children he has kids.
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  So, you know, one of the the conversations we had, he was
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  like, well, make it work and. He doesn't know how to do it
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  straight, could have carried on going.
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  We just got to a point where we weren't going to do it, but he
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  could have done it. He was doing it good.
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  He hated it. It's hard.
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  This is the first trip away. So we just did 4 shows in
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  Florida, so that was the first time that I've been away.
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  Anybody walk up to me? I'm like staring at my phone
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  watching videos. Of.
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  His name's Wayland. Wayland, yeah.
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  Watching videos yeah I, I, I would just be like standing
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  around doing nothing and I'd find myself like staring at my
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  phone and. Dead life too.
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  Yeah, Yeah. I feel like at the same time
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  too, like poison wells, massively important to me, and
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  to be able to do something I love and then also helps me
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  provide for the future of my family is insane.
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  Yeah, it's great. Has it changed you?
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  I think it will change me more, Yeah.
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  I mean, you know, you think about being responsible for
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  another human being and how they're going to grow up and you
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  know, how how they're going to be.
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  I think about that more now than I would have before without
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  having a child in my life. So a lot of those like important
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  decisions and discussions that I have to have my wife about, like
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  how we're going to raise our child.
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  I think all that stuff is I think that that'll help me grow
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  as a person in all aspects of life, right.
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  You know, I, I was beautiful, man, really beautiful.
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  Everything's. Teaching you're beautiful.
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  Not to bring it back to Tom. Not to bring it back to Tom
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  Williams, Right. I think the only thing I noticed
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  when he had kids, like one of the reasons I asked to betray
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  you, other than obviously just wanting to know, yeah.
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  Was me and Tom used to have this bit when we'd be on flights to
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  go into a tour or like South Southeast Asia or something,
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  like insane early wake up, get on the flight and we'd both just
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  be like, I hope this fucking plane goes down like.
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  And that was it. And then I tried it.
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  It was not long after his first kid.
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  And I was like, man, I hope this fucking plane crashes.
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  And he was like, bro, I'm really scared.
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  And he like developed this fear of flying.
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  I was like, what the fuck, You changed?
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  And he was like, I got kid now. Yeah.
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  And I was like. I can.
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  Relate reason to live. Yeah, I can.
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  I can relate to that. There have been moments where
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  like I haven't been able to sleep because I think of every
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  possible horrible thing that could happen at any point.
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  One of them specifically being I have like a like a knife block
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  in my house. And like I but like 2 months ago
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  I went to reach for the sharpener and it snagged and it
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  kind of fell and my wife was standing next to me and the
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  knives didn't fall out. But in my mind I'm just like, oh
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  like what if he goes like pull something and then there's a
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  horror movie scene. It's just stuff like that, like,
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  freaks me out. Like, every little thing in the
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  house has now become like a like, like a final destination,
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  Yeah. Yeah, childproof that shit now,
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  dude. Yeah, I don't know how to do
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  that. Cover everything and rubber and.
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  You say you were worried that people are not coming across
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  like the lyrics. You come across like the lyrics
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  immediately, straight out the guy.
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  I was like, Oh yeah, that's the guy.
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  OK, so you're in Nashville rehearsing for this tour, Will
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  converge. Might as well kick it off.
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  I got questions, guys. I'm a professional.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I only decided to be a
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  professional about 3 episodes ago.
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  So you get professional me. Whether or not you like it, I
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  don't know. So Tori will converge.
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  For me personally and a lot of other people, that seems like a
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  meeting of two of the greatest metal core acts of all time.
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  Is this. How many times have you crossed
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  paths before? A few times.
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  I mean, we haven't played a ton of shows with Converge.
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  We crossed paths more with them at Chris Ross's place in Jersey.
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  Yeah, they would stay every once in a while.
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  We'd just end up staying at Chris Ross's house.
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  We played drums for Nora and they would be there.
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  I think we played. What was that the Hellfest 2000
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  they played? Hey Breed, the day breed tour,
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  the Poughkeepsie show. It was like us, he breed us
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  converge sworn enemy. I know the one.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you've never like it's never
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  happened as a tour. Never happened.
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  Yeah, because I looked for it. I was like sure that talked
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  together. Yeah, Jake did opposite of
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  Decembers artwork. Yeah.
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  Did the logo. That we've we still use.
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  Yeah, we still use it. That's Jake.
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  Yeah. Awesome.
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  I didn't know that. Some reason in my head I thought
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  it was Derrick Hess. That's it had the Derrick Hess.
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  Yeah, Sorry Jake about. That was, yeah, that Jake did
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  that. So it was like a huge thing like
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  for us when we were, you know, got the green light that
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  everybody was down to to do this tour.
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  And it's a perfect time, too. Like we both have new records
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  out. They got 2.
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  They got two bro. They just released the second
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  one today. Oh, for real?
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  Yeah, like surprise drop second out.
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  There's a thing with surprise neurosis.
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  Did a surprise drop, now converges doing a second
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  straight. From the path last year, are you
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  approaching the set list differently given that it's a
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  tour with Converge and they're like, you know, a different side
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  of the same coin in metal core? They bring one thing, we bring
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  another. And I think, at least for me,
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  the way the set seems is we're leaning into us, right, instead
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  of trying to necessarily compete with them.
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  They, they need to do what they do.
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  And it's great what they do, but I also think we need to kind of
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  do what we do, you know? Yeah.
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  So we're not choosing to play like heavier songs purposefully.
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  Good. That's that's that's what I was
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  hoping you say, because if you played all your heavier songs
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  and converge all the heavier songs are I'm an old man now I'd
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  be like, give me one of the light ones.
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  Yeah, give me just a light one now we.
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  We did take out the really light ones.
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  Yeah, yeah. So you did well.
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  More so because we're also trying to diversify our
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  portfolio because we've been playing, I feel like we've been
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  playing some of the same songs or have played a couple of the
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  songs a little like already on a couple tours.
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  So trying to throw out like a couple songs we haven't played.
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  Plus we're adding a couple new songs, not too many.
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  Yeah, just enough. How many is just enough?
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  Give me a taste 3. 3 or 4, but that's three.
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  Right now that's. The right.
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  Amount I think I think for a new record you got to give people
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  time to kind of figure out what it is instead of bashing, you
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  know them over the head with like, oh, here's let.
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  It marinate a little bit, you know?
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  Gives us time to figure out like what songs people like.
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  I got a gift for you. I was going to say it before the
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  end. OK, I'll do it now.
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  I don't know if any of you are sentimental.
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  You, you can either both say I don't want it or you can you
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  just you can fight over it. Now I'm worried what is?
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  It OK so the last time I ever moshed was poison the well.
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  Where? At Newport TJ's.
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  Newport, TJ's. Right.
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  Yeah, Newport, TJ's. In Wales.
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  It was the last time I ever mosh and I broke my nose.
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  You're going. To give us a splint.
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  In the pit, No. But I went back to my parents
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  for Christmas and I remember after I broke my nose, I was
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  like, I'm going to remember this and I took the poster.
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  I have that. Got that?
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  You already have. That I have a friend in.
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  My house. Me too.
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  Thank you. Thank you.
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  That's so sick 'cause I can keep it now, yeah.
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  Well, as I say, if you want it, keep it.
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  Not I'll frame it and put it up in our studio, but if you want.
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  It serious. Thank you.
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  Fuck yeah. Yeah, you already have it.
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  So I kept most of anything that I could get my hands on
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  throughout, except for vinyl. I gave away all of my vinyl.
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  What the the most expensive I I don't know.
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  I, I, I had given them away like before I collected any vinyl
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  too. So I had, I just had like I
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  would, I've moved a lot in the past couple years and I would
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  have to like lug around all these like tubs full of I've.
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  Done it. Post posters and shirts and
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  vinyl and friends would come over and I'd be like drunk and
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  be like, Oh well, some poison low vinyl.
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  Yeah. And then and then the Dick heads
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  who knew that they were worth stuff, you know, were like, oh,
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  let me get an extra 1. Then I'm like, yeah, no problem.
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  Here's a bunch of opposite of December's like yeah, don't got
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  and I I don't have. First, pressing trust.
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  Yeah, yeah, I had like a bunch of stuff and all that stuff is
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  gone. I actually paid like 150 bucks
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  for like versions. To get it back.
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  Yeah, I I was like, oh, I want to get these back and I forgot
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  Somebody was like, just told the dude who's selling it that
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  you're in poison well. And I was like, man, that's
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  rough, dude. I was like, I'm not going to do
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  that to him. And so, yeah, I I bought that
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  one and then somebody like gifted me, I traded somebody a
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  test pressing for a you come before you like original.
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  But you still need opposite. So I have a bunch of opposite
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  represses. I don't necessarily care about
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  it being like an original pressing.
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  And then I have yeah, I, I then I have like a Tropic rock.
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  I don't have a Tropic rock, but I have a test pressing, but it's
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  missing like songs. Is it?
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  Yeah, it's, I have the test pressing and I also have the
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  original that we got from whoever pressed it, but I never
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  listened to the test pressing, so I don't know what is or
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  isn't. On yeah, the test pressing is
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  like it's also out of order, but it's it's missing stuff.
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  But I think that's good enough. I also ran out of space.
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  I don't have any more. Yeah, moving vinyl is the worst.
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  I did it today. In the throes of it.
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  It's so fucking heavy. It's super heavy.
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  And I wouldn't have blamed you especially that would have been
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  maybe when before vinyl was like really back back.
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  And it's like MP3 is the future. So I don't want to carry with
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  you. I sold all my CDs like in a
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  similar way and then now I'm like that was worth fucking.
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  I would never have thought that see like a first person CD would
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  be worth money. And oh wait, he's.
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  A thing now? Yeah, well, just.
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  Like, well, we're selling CDs. We are, but I, him and I were
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  talking before this. We're like who buy CDs?
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  Is it like a thing? Like it's the thing, it's the
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  thing. OK, it's the.
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  Thing especially like first pressing it's like.
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  More of the story. Pressing of CDs.
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  Yeah, no, this is real brilliant.
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  Yeah, just keep all your shit. Just be a fucking hoarder.
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  And then in 30 years you can sell it all.
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  I have like all my all my like video game stuff and like boxes.
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  Old video game stuff. No, like newer like PlayStation
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  at not newer, but like the oldest stuff I have is like
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  PlayStation two. I gave away like all my mom gave
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  away all my like Nintendo stuff, which you.
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  Just got to wait out for that PlayStation two though, because
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  there's games. I got a couple, I got, I got a
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  Silent Hill game that's, you know, worth a decent chunk of
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  change for, you know, a video game or whatever.
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  But but I keep everything like I I have bought, but I also keep
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  boxes of like I bought like some shark air purifiers and I cut
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  the boxes of that too. For some reason it's now
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  becoming a problem guy. It's a problem.
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  Exactly. And then I moved.
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  I figured it out yesterday. I moved five times in the last
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  six years, one of which being into country, not into country
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  intercontinental. How was that by the way?
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  Like did you just give it every everything in from England?
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  I threw a lot of stuff away, yeah.
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  And when I was doing that, I was like, why am I keeping the box
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  from my iPhone 9? Like it's just in, it's just
• 17:48
  somewhere. Because it might be worth
• 17:50
  something. Just the ball.
• 17:52
  Yeah. Oh.
• 17:53
  Just the ball do. You can buy it.
• 17:55
  I mean, it's sculpture. Yeah, thing crazy.
• 17:58
  Like I've kept like ATV box, you know how big TV boxes are now
• 18:02
  you know, but if you move. I wish I'd done that.
• 18:05
  Exactly. But who wants to keep that huge
• 18:07
  box, right? I So I keep stuff more because
• 18:09
  I'm like I. Might have to keep the big box.
• 18:11
  In my basement. Some reason when you open your
• 18:14
  mouth and it's like with ABI, thought you're gonna say my big
• 18:17
  box room. Yeah, my big box.
• 18:19
  Room, which is his basement. You go upstairs, there's just
• 18:22
  boxes everywhere. My basement right now is like
• 18:24
  full. I built, I didn't build
• 18:26
  anything. I don't know how to do anything
• 18:28
  like that. My handyman built me like a
• 18:32
  vocal booth in my basement. Shout out to Jay.
• 18:35
  And then we're going to build like shelving so I can put all
• 18:38
  my crap back in that area. Are you a collector?
• 18:41
  I used to be obsessed with Todd McFarlane toys, so I would buy
• 18:47
  them like crazy back in the early 2000s.
• 18:51
  So I have like all the horror movie, The horror maniacs.
• 18:54
  And stuff. So weird last night.
• 18:56
  Honest to God I swear on my mum's life.
• 18:59
  Mum, I'm sorry but it's true. I was looking at MacFarlane toys
• 19:04
  Instagram last night and I'm like not into I'm not into that
• 19:08
  stuff but Sangra Sugarbugger is doing a song on the new.
• 19:12
  Spawn Movie. Spawn movie and they posted it
• 19:15
  and I was like, I remember those toys and honestly last night,
• 19:17
  fucking 24 hours ago I was scrolling in bed like these are
• 19:20
  cool. Maybe I'll get some a Bane.
• 19:23
  Yeah, there's a bunch like I have.
• 19:26
  I have boxes and boxes of them. Do the boxes there for me?
• 19:30
  They're they're boxes and boxes, Yeah, and they're box too.
• 19:34
  And it's like the bane of my existence because I've had them
• 19:36
  for 20 years and every time I move, I have to move and they
• 19:40
  get more damaged every time I. Move you are literally I'm in
• 19:44
  that world right now, but with other stuff you collect
• 19:46
  anything. This is not on my.
• 19:48
  Drums by the way, like snares and kits and shit like that,
• 19:51
  like audio stuff. I got anti, not anti toy, but
• 19:55
  like the opposite of toy, like adult.
• 19:57
  I mean you probably do the same. You probably click shit like
• 20:00
  drums and snares and not so much.
• 20:03
  I mean I've got a bunch but I don't like collect.
• 20:05
  I guess I collect them. Well, ask him why, he'll tell
• 20:08
  you they're investments. He buys them because they're
• 20:11
  going to be worse on later. Oh, he's a collector.
• 20:13
  You got in theory. Have you got heat?
• 20:15
  What you got? I got a late 70s Ludwig
• 20:18
  stainless steel kit that's a. Steel kit not not the steel
• 20:22
  wrap. No the actual steel kit.
• 20:24
  It needs some hanger, needs refurbishing, but sounds
• 20:27
  excellent. 24. 24 by 14. Checking is fine.
• 20:32
  Checking is fine because it's about drunk.
• 20:33
  No, I'm not. I was actually going to make a
• 20:35
  comment like, oh fucking nerds. And I was like just talking
• 20:38
  about toys, so. Yeah, if you would have said
• 20:41
  that, I would just. Yeah, dogs already.
• 20:42
  Yeah, I caught myself. So there's a guy in Vegas and I
• 20:47
  bought it. It's like a 424 by 14 kick 14 by
• 20:51
  10 racks 16161816 you know the. That's a beautiful.
• 20:54
  Kit. Great, great kit.
• 20:56
  I just got a Gretch kit at USA Custom.
• 20:59
  Not vintage but almost identical sizes.
• 21:03
  But I also have a 13 by 9. It's going to be recording, you
• 21:05
  know, recording kit. I'll probably ship it to wheels
• 21:08
  whenever you know. Just let him get a million other
• 21:12
  bands on it. It's going to happen.
• 21:14
  We'll be first. I left a couple of snares there.
• 21:16
  They've seen some action. No, I'm sure I'm is that 40th
• 21:20
  anniversary that he is? Is that his or is that yours?
• 21:21
  No, but I I'm going to have to. Come clean, I'm going to have.
• 21:24
  To come clean, I got one of those and the hoops for it.
• 21:28
  And then Will goes, I'm on one in that exact voice.
• 21:32
  He did the same thing when I bought AI bought a Gretsch
• 21:34
  Phosphorus which is essentially the same thing but it's like a 5
• 21:37
  mil instead of a. Three mil one, Yeah.
• 21:38
  And he's just like, oh, this sounds good.
• 21:40
  I think I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get one.
• 21:42
  And I'm like, oh. That was, do you know how many
• 21:45
  Will Putney impressions have been on it?
• 21:46
  He fucking hates it. I'm sure everyone's got one.
• 21:49
  But then he was like, I, I want 1.
• 21:51
  So I bought him one with my endorsement and I just gave it
• 21:54
  to him anyway. We need to talk about drums.
• 21:56
  Yeah, it's not a drum podcast. But it but it's called but it is
• 21:59
  called the downbeat. So you.
• 22:00
  Know I fucked up bro, but you know what my my thought process
• 22:04
  with that was downbeat like I'm kind of miserable sometimes
• 22:08
  there's and like but I'm goofy other times like you downbeat
• 22:12
  and it's like. The opposite of upbeat, yeah.
• 22:16
  Exactly. No, it's also drum related in
• 22:18
  this drumstick pentagram and I fucked up but and here we are.
• 22:21
  Well, you're not just doing drummers, so.
• 22:24
  Thank God forgive me for the interruption guys, but festival
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  season is officially kicking off and I want to let you know about
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  a little festival. The Downbeat's going to be out
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  and I would love to see you there this May Welcome to
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• 22:53
  just looking at it. You've got everything from Bring
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  Me the Horizon, Architects and Motionless In White to Turn
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  Style and My Cam. If you're like me and you also
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  really like the really, really heavy stuff.
• 23:04
  I can't believe you can see Whitechapel, Behemoth, Cradle Of
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  Filth, Day Aside, and Suffocation on the same bill as
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  Foo Fighters and The Offspring. If you like horror movies,
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• 23:39
  year. Is that a scanned piece of
• 23:42
  paper? No, I just wrote it out.
• 23:45
  Give myself a little. I know it's not a piece of
• 23:47
  paper, an iPad. It looked like you.
• 23:50
  It looked like you took a picture of a piece of paper.
• 23:52
  It's APDF because I did it on a different computer.
• 23:55
  OK. Is that is that?
• 23:57
  Piece of paper where? What is that piece of text?
• 24:01
  2026 This Star Trek shit. Opposite of December and I also
• 24:06
  need to know this because I'm an idiot.
• 24:08
  Is it tear from the red or tear from the red tear?
• 24:12
  OK I've always said tear like sometimes I've pronounced
• 24:15
  something wrong British plus before like podcast media and
• 24:19
  then someone's realized I should pronounce sound like OK fucking
• 24:23
  anyway. Opposite of December tear from
• 24:25
  the red like when I was growing up, just just non-stop.
• 24:29
  That's awesome. Non-stop listening to them.
• 24:32
  One of few records which I talk about a lot on the podcast
• 24:37
  because I got bone to pick with remixes and remasters.
• 24:40
  However, the partner remix and remaster.
• 24:44
  Unbelievable. Yeah, it's funny because I can't
• 24:46
  really tell. No offense to Will, but like I
• 24:49
  can't really tell the difference of big remasters.
• 24:51
  Remixes obviously usually a bigger thing.
• 24:54
  Because like, I think he did a little remix on it.
• 24:57
  No, there's no multi tracks. Was it just a remaster?
• 24:59
  Was just a remaster. Damn he did some magic though.
• 25:01
  It's really. Fucking.
• 25:02
  I mean, he's going to do magic. Yeah.
• 25:04
  But but yeah, like we, we actually recently found out the
• 25:07
  tariff from the Red Pro Tool session doesn't exist.
• 25:11
  Doesn't. Exist and should.
• 25:13
  Have kept it in a big fucking box.
• 25:15
  Well we all we have the what the dats for.
• 25:19
  Well, I don't know if you did you, I don't know if you heard
• 25:20
  this one when Stoska was that. Well, that's there's no vocals.
• 25:23
  On there's no vocals, so I have the reels I have they're like
• 25:26
  one 1 1/2 inch reels. But they did all the vocals on
• 25:30
  Cubase and then when he mixed it, it was however he did it.
• 25:33
  You know, fucking 30 years ago or whatever, how long ago it
• 25:36
  was, was. But I have the reels with the
• 25:38
  music. But no 1718 year old Jeff.
• 25:42
  Is that opposite of December? Yeah, Triggered kick.
• 25:46
  Yeah, the kick. The kick.
• 25:47
  I had was garbage. It sounded like shit garbage.
• 25:50
  It changed the game because you went triggered kick but like no
• 25:55
  other samples from what I can hear.
• 25:57
  And just like the rawest unedited drums, but with a crazy
• 26:01
  triggered kick. That's like the first LP I ever
• 26:04
  recorded. I had no idea.
• 26:05
  Nobody knew what we were doing at all.
• 26:08
  Yeah, the only the person I probably knew the most was
• 26:10
  Taska. Yeah, but none of us knew
• 26:13
  anything. It was just like, it was just
• 26:15
  picking through the samples for the kicks because Tasco, Jeremy
• 26:17
  Sasco shout out would be like, oh, you should do this.
• 26:20
  You should trigger the kick. Yeah.
• 26:21
  And then I think it was like Derek and I were like rolling
• 26:23
  through and like, that sounds really cool.
• 26:25
  Let's just let's go with that. Do you remember what it was?
• 26:27
  I don't. Slate Z3.
• 26:29
  It no, it was definitely like a piece of hardware.
• 26:32
  Oh yeah, obviously DM5 type. Something like that, Yeah, yeah.
• 26:36
  Yeah, that's kind of cool. I really wanted to know so about
• 26:39
  that drum sound. And you know what?
• 26:41
  People are like people now in the revival.
• 26:43
  I've always met a court. I like struggling to get that
• 26:47
  drum sound and you're just admitting like we didn't know
• 26:48
  what we fucking did. That's the key though.
• 26:51
  Happy accident. If you want a hot take, I think
• 26:53
  it sucks. That's that's my hot take.
• 26:55
  You can edit a Simon. You can edit that out.
• 26:57
  Nope, that's him. But that's my own personal
• 27:01
  criticism of of, you know, 17 year old me versus 45 year old.
• 27:04
  Me you mean and playing on the sound.
• 27:06
  No, both. I didn't know what the fuck I
• 27:07
  was doing. It was just like, hey, we're
• 27:08
  recording and I just fucking play as fast as I could and just
• 27:11
  play it and like, oh, I guess that's what we're doing.
• 27:13
  Are you happy with your performance on those records?
• 27:16
  Yeah, I mean, my voice is real high.
• 27:19
  Off throat. And the singing sometime, I
• 27:22
  mean, yeah, I think it's, it's an important step towards where
• 27:28
  I am today vocally. And I, I definitely have issues,
• 27:34
  but who wouldn't have? I'm right.
• 27:36
  I'm sure you have things on your records that you wish.
• 27:39
  Let me rephrase that. Cause not change 'cause I would
• 27:41
  never change anything. Yeah, right, 'cause it's then
• 27:43
  you create a butterfly of Saint. I would like, I would never want
• 27:46
  to rerecord those records or anything like that.
• 27:49
  I think they are what they are for the time, for our ability to
• 27:52
  create them. So they're special in that way
• 27:55
  and I love them for that. I definitely love Chris's loud
• 27:59
  ass. Is that a bell?
• 28:00
  What the fuck? I got a whole fucking section.
• 28:02
  On that whole fuck dinner bell shit, it's.
• 28:05
  The bell the the bell. Is it the?
• 28:07
  Top of the symbol. Abuse that bell Sometimes in
• 28:11
  time. Most of the time, not in time I
• 28:14
  mean. I'm going to get to the bell
• 28:16
  because I have a specific. Question in this.
• 28:18
  About the bell, and one specific bell in particular that has.
• 28:21
  Your next record's going to have Bell on it the next.
• 28:23
  Person will fucking play without a zeal bell.
• 28:26
  Recently when it was like the little guy, but I got, I get the
• 28:29
  big guy back, but I got but it's not, it's not cupped upwards,
• 28:32
  it's cupped downwards because I'm trying to use it like a mega
• 28:35
  bell. Ride no go back to you bro you
• 28:38
  you single handed these no. No, I stole that shit from
• 28:41
  indecision. Indecision.
• 28:44
  Oh yeah, core band, they did that.
• 28:45
  And I was like, that's fucking cool.
• 28:47
  And I took it and just really. Just abuse it.
• 28:49
  No, we're going to get onto it because they didn't use it where
• 28:52
  you used it anyway. I've I've got a really nice
• 28:54
  emotional question and we're talking about fucking drums.
• 28:57
  There's a lot of emotion lyrically on those two albums.
• 29:01
  You were obviously going through it.
• 29:03
  Yeah. I would love to know if at the
• 29:07
  time the lyrics are to do with like one individual or past in
• 29:15
  nodding his head because it's some of some of it's very
• 29:19
  direct. Yeah.
• 29:20
  From listening to it a billion times, it goes from sadness to
• 29:28
  hate. Some of those lyrics had been
• 29:31
  written before Poison the Well. Some of that stuff I had already
• 29:38
  written, I was in a different bands, those got transferred
• 29:42
  over, but that was like my first relationship that I had ever
• 29:46
  been in. Yeah.
• 29:47
  So obviously everything was magnified and then Tear from the
• 29:52
  Red came out and that was like the break up so.
• 29:54
  Yeah, that's, that's what I. Got it's a nice narrative for.
• 29:57
  I just wanted to know if it was one person.
• 29:58
  It was one person who. Is yeah, that's great though,
• 30:02
  because it's like a double album to me and I've always thought of
• 30:04
  it as that, like. It's akin to What's the name of
• 30:08
  the singer of Cursive, Tim, Tim Cashier, Right?
• 30:12
  He has a song where basically, I don't know the lyrics exactly,
• 30:17
  but he talks about being in relationships solely for the
• 30:20
  purpose of having stuff to write about.
• 30:24
  Not that I was doing that, but it seems as though obviously I
• 30:28
  was able to draw from that a lot for those two records because
• 30:32
  you Come before you deals with some of that stuff, but not as
• 30:37
  like those are like directly involved like that.
• 30:41
  Relationship, you think? Yeah, Having a kid, you seem to
• 30:43
  be in a better place these days. Is it?
• 30:47
  But stylistically, your lyrics are still in the same kind of
• 30:51
  vein. Is it difficult to tap Into
• 30:54
  Darkness when you're in a better place?
• 30:57
  No, because shit is fucked up sometimes, right?
• 31:01
  Even if things are good. So now there's I, I've had
• 31:04
  plenty. I mean I had 17 years to compile
• 31:06
  a bunch of fucked up shit so. Oh, these lyrics.
• 31:09
  It's not like you stopped writing lyrics for 17 years.
• 31:13
  I didn't stop having shit I could write about happen, you
• 31:17
  know, so. They were fucking notes.
• 31:19
  Yeah, I my phone is like full of notes.
• 31:22
  I have like, like lines, you know, on my phone.
• 31:27
  I also have movie ideas and toilet product ideas.
• 31:31
  I write everything down. I got sketches.
• 31:33
  I got sketches. I got sketches, comedy, shit, I
• 31:36
  got video treatments, I got a bunch of.
• 31:39
  Shit, I got a revenge list. Yeah, I don't have that.
• 31:42
  OK, I got revenge. Tom Williams also have hassle
• 31:44
  and he stole it off me. It's really bad.
• 31:46
  It's really bad. You have a revenge list and
• 31:50
  there's you assign everyone a little emoji and anytime.
• 31:54
  This is awful juju by the way. Anytime something bad happens to
• 31:58
  that person you need revenge on, even if you didn't do it, you
• 32:01
  give them an emoji. If they get to 3, then you take
• 32:06
  them off your revenge list because you've seen them eat
• 32:08
  shit somewhere else. Or you could do it yourself.
• 32:10
  So the emojis are like the voodoo doll you're pulling.
• 32:13
  Yeah, pretty much. And Tom saw me adding to mine
• 32:17
  one day and was like, was that? And I explained it and he was
• 32:19
  like, oh, it's kind of sick, but.
• 32:20
  That's actually a really good idea, yeah.
• 32:22
  It's kind of dark. Yeah, you have to like really
• 32:25
  be. Oh, I've got.
• 32:27
  You're holding like a grudge. Like legit.
• 32:29
  Three people on mine OK. And no, none of them are on.
• 32:32
  There. Well, good.
• 32:32
  Hopefully. Schizophrenic.
• 32:34
  Hopefully you can leave the list.
• 32:36
  I mean, hopefully you clear it out in my mind.
• 32:38
  It's always good to not. I can hold a grudge for.
• 32:42
  I think I capped my grudges for like 10 years. 10 years.
• 32:45
  Yeah, I think so. It seems as though that's like
• 32:48
  now that I have time to time has gone by and I am paying
• 32:54
  attention to it. I feel like after like 10 years,
• 32:57
  if I had a problem with somebody, I kind of went like,
• 32:59
  all right, I'm good. So there was technically like a
• 33:01
  seven-year window that people could have fucked for you and
• 33:04
  not ended up on this album. If you're capping it at 10
• 33:07
  years, yeah, you got 7 years carte blanche.
• 33:10
  Well, that doesn't go away. I still the experience is still
• 33:13
  there, right? But the any animosity I have
• 33:17
  towards anyone, it would be gone.
• 33:19
  There's a lot of energy, at least.
• 33:21
  Well, that's what I mean. And I don't want to say it's 10
• 33:23
  years. Like it seems like a long time.
• 33:25
  I'm just like, okay, I said 10 years.
• 33:28
  So let's say I'm going to be really pissed off for 10 years
• 33:31
  and then I'm going to let it go. Not that, but it's not like you
• 33:36
  know, I I don't know if it it works both ways. 12/23/93 What's
• 33:41
  the date? Ryan's.
• 33:42
  Ryan's lyrics, right? It's not Ryan's lyrics, it's not
• 33:44
  his lyrics, it's title. He did help write the lyrics on
• 33:48
  that. I don't know exactly what the
• 33:51
  date is. You don't know what?
• 33:53
  I think it's the ending of a significant relationship.
• 33:57
  Not a romantic one, but a. Like a family member.
• 34:00
  Familial. Yeah.
• 34:01
  Yeah, I thought. He always, I thought he always
• 34:03
  wrote those lyrics. That was like the only lyrical
• 34:06
  contribution he's ever made to. He might.
• 34:07
  I mean, maybe I put a word in SO.
• 34:11
  Probably put more than one word. What was the?
• 34:13
  Word da AI don't know, I'll put something in there.
• 34:16
  Add a word, take a third. I got it.
• 34:18
  That's the publishing. But yeah, I, I don't have an
• 34:21
  exact answer for that. And then he said it.
• 34:24
  He said it a bunch. Yeah, there were just like
• 34:25
  little things that I want to know.
• 34:27
  I mean, yeah, but are you going to ask what the meaning of the
• 34:30
  opposite of December is? I mean, yes, OK.
• 34:35
  I don't even know what this is. I I don't know either, it's been
• 34:38
  so. No, I haven't got it on.
• 34:40
  I haven't got it on here. It's not, it's not that I don't
• 34:42
  know the meaning, it's that it's changed in my mind so many times
• 34:47
  because I don't remember what 18 year old Jeffrey was thinking
• 34:51
  when he was like, oh, the opposite of December.
• 34:53
  I have an idea of what I think it is.
• 34:56
  I think it might have been, at least this was the answer I've
• 35:01
  been giving myself for a while, which is when you think of
• 35:05
  December, you have Christmas and it's festive and family and
• 35:12
  gifts and all this stuff and the opposite of that would be
• 35:16
  something not good. Having nothing in nowhere.
• 35:19
  Yeah so but I have heard people say like what the fuck?
• 35:23
  Like it's cold in December and you can find many reasons to say
• 35:26
  December wasn't the best. But you can't.
• 35:29
  So you wrote it and you can't remember.
• 35:32
  It's changed. It's just changed.
• 35:33
  I I would say the opposite of December for me would be that
• 35:37
  yes. But if it's changed, do you you
• 35:39
  remember what it was when you wrote?
• 35:41
  It that's what I'm saying. I don't because it's changed.
• 35:44
  I only know my interpretation of it.
• 35:46
  As a. Old ass dude.
• 35:47
  I don't think I ever I wasn't on my questions.
• 35:50
  I don't think I ever read into it other than that.
• 35:52
  That sounds cool. Definitely sounds dark.
• 35:55
  Yeah, it definitely sounds like. I don't know.
• 35:59
  Yeah, I feel like you're thing is kind of the only thing that I
• 36:03
  can think of. Any thoughts on that?
• 36:04
  You got no interpretation. I just remember him having a
• 36:07
  book. I remember Derek looking through
• 36:09
  and being like the opposite of December.
• 36:11
  He's like, that's awesome. And then I remember being like,
• 36:13
  yeah, that's really cool too. That's the only thing I could
• 36:16
  really. Yeah.
• 36:17
  What does it mean? Yeah.
• 36:18
  See, I don't remember anybody having.
• 36:20
  Any opinion on the name of the album?
• 36:22
  And just going this is what it's called.
• 36:23
  But what about Ted? That's what I that's what I
• 36:25
  remember. It's been a long time that's.
• 36:27
  What I mean, everybody. 'S inserting.
• 36:29
  All these fake ass memories into like these big decisions of this
• 36:33
  record. What about Ted from the red then
• 36:35
  that? Was what it?
• 36:37
  Means yeah. What's it mean?
• 36:38
  Tear from the red? I don't think you ever told.
• 36:41
  You don't. You just told me that.
• 36:43
  'Cause I think when I would choose, so like I would write
• 36:47
  all the time. I had all these books and I
• 36:49
  would look through stuff and I would emotionally pick.
• 36:51
  Like sometimes I would see something and I wouldn't
• 36:54
  necessarily have a meaning as to why the record should be called
• 36:58
  that, but it felt like that's what the record felt like,
• 37:02
  right? Like like the sound like tear
• 37:04
  from the red could be like red. Is blood and I see this.
• 37:09
  Is what I right when you have to explain it you I didn't have?
• 37:13
  The 100% you set it up I. Started.
• 37:16
  I started. Yeah, I, I've, I've, I've opened
• 37:19
  the kimono to a bunch of explanations of things that I
• 37:23
  didn't want to explain because then it dumbs them down.
• 37:25
  But, yeah, I think a lot of like, the choosing of titles for
• 37:30
  like, I have titles for songs that don't have any relevance to
• 37:35
  what the song is about. It's more like a feeling of
• 37:40
  like, all right, this is like an identity for the song.
• 37:44
  Yeah, I get that. Like a kid, right?
• 37:45
  Like, not everybody names her kid like something.
• 37:47
  I don't know if you're. My mom didn't name me Jeffrey
• 37:50
  because it meant this thing. She probably just thought it
• 37:52
  sounded cool because Jeffrey's a cool.
• 37:54
  Last night is a good. That's a good way of looking
• 37:58
  giraffe. So yeah, so I need some.
• 38:01
  Pointless. Question that you sound yeah, no
• 38:04
  meanings as I just. Watered down like all this.
• 38:07
  I do remember you talking. About you, you come before you.
• 38:10
  And explaining that, yeah, that I do remember.
• 38:12
  It's like you having to put yourself.
• 38:14
  You come before you. It's just you're putting
• 38:16
  yourself. You have.
• 38:17
  Sometimes you have to put yourself before other people.
• 38:19
  Yeah, yeah, I do remember. Well, mine was more Inception
• 38:22
  where it's. Like put yourself in front but
• 38:25
  then continually do it over and over again Man this is so.
• 38:29
  This is why I avoided doing all of this stuff.
• 38:31
  Ask this you. Set this question up like you
• 38:34
  had something and now this bit of content is purely Simon.
• 38:38
  This is garbage, no? Simon, I like this bit.
• 38:41
  Were there chicken wings? That's what you mean.
• 38:44
  Chicken wings? What you talking?
• 38:45
  About Oh fucking hot ones. No, that was.
• 38:48
  Like it was correct. No, I was like, you were just
• 38:51
  teleported to this room. You just suddenly out.
• 38:54
  We don't need fucking chicken wings.
• 38:56
  Dude, quick fire. No, the quick fire, the quick
• 38:58
  fire. Shit, OK, I get it.
• 38:59
  Lifetime achievement award for the Zeal Bell.
• 39:02
  Right. But there's one that is just
• 39:06
  egregious. Yeah, there's a lot.
• 39:08
  No, but there's. One that's like.
• 39:11
  Grammy. Award-winning the out.
• 39:13
  Of place that is fucking amazing though.
• 39:16
  A wish for wings that work. Oh bro, come on.
• 39:19
  What? Is it that's?
• 39:20
  That's that's that. Forever.
• 39:21
  Such an unpleasant word. And you?
• 39:23
  Go. It's crazy.
• 39:27
  I need to know what was going through your fucking head and
• 39:29
  how it got on the record. I love it.
• 39:30
  For the record, I honestly don't know.
• 39:33
  I was. Probably just recording it and
• 39:34
  being a 17 year old and not knowing anything about anything
• 39:37
  and just did it and nobody caught it and it made it by and
• 39:40
  then we're talking about the shit like 26 years later.
• 39:42
  I had heard that. People had requested to turn
• 39:45
  that bell down and Chris was opposed to it.
• 39:50
  Like. Pretty hard in the mixing. 0
• 39:53
  recollection. Well, it's just like. 0.
• 39:55
  Like we're not going to turn the and it's great.
• 39:57
  It was a good. I mean, I I heard drone them
• 40:00
  even during the set. Yeah, and I see people.
• 40:03
  Do it too. Yeah, that's the one.
• 40:05
  I was. That's the one I was telling
• 40:07
  you. About that's so like just it's
• 40:10
  iconic. And I would have sided with you
• 40:13
  guys at the time. I'd have been like, this can't
• 40:15
  be this fucking loud. You stuck to your guns.
• 40:18
  And here we are talking about it.
• 40:19
  And it's iconic. It's it's funny.
• 40:24
  It's funny, I honestly don't remember, and I remember for a
• 40:27
  long time I was like, I'm not gonna play that shit.
• 40:29
  So, so offensively loud and so offensively out of place.
• 40:32
  And at some point, I got on a ride.
• 40:34
  Recently, yeah, I was like, I need it back on the.
• 40:36
  Zero. Well, bro.
• 40:37
  Everyone needs it back on the zero.
• 40:38
  Well, I'll pay. I'll pay for the bell.
• 40:40
  We'll. Buy it, I can got one somewhere.
• 40:43
  I mean I I. I got.
• 40:44
  I mean I got. One shout out to Eric and
• 40:46
  Zilden. I I got one I'm I'm good.
• 40:48
  Oh, this is a separate, but it's turned.
• 40:50
  Upside down? No.
• 40:51
  Yeah, 'cause you gotta turn it the other way so I could ride on
• 40:53
  it like use it like a fucking. Ride Can I get like a dinner?
• 40:56
  Bell and do. It on stage.
• 40:58
  That's awesome. You should.
• 41:00
  Get you should. You should hold the zeal bell.
• 41:02
  Like remember when Keith Buckley used to have the cow bell?
• 41:04
  Yeah, you hold the zeal bell. Yeah, that's fucking sick.
• 41:07
  If you've seen that. That was my idea 'cause that's
• 41:09
  fucking awesome. Run it by Tom.
• 41:11
  There was a video the other day. This isn't on here, but it's got
• 41:13
  me thinking about it. I got tagged in it a million
• 41:15
  times because it's like a Zildjian walkthrough video and
• 41:19
  you're like explaining your dream ride that doesn't fucking
• 41:21
  exist and you explain my signature ride symbol.
• 41:25
  Yeah, why don't you have one? Because this is in a 21 inch and
• 41:29
  I play either. 22 or 23? There we go, and I feel better.
• 41:33
  I was like, offended. No, no, Eric said.
• 41:35
  Eric sent me one. It's a.
• 41:36
  Great ride. It's just just too small.
• 41:38
  It's a little too small, that's all.
• 41:39
  And now I see why you got the. Bell when you put it upside down
• 41:42
  because the reason A-22 with a big bell, that isn't the mega.
• 41:46
  Bell because the new record we mega.
• 41:48
  Belled everything but then we'd go between a 22 inch constant
• 41:52
  and noble bounce for like a little darker tone and then I
• 41:54
  have one of those classic avidis rides that they discontinued
• 41:57
  look at 22 inch that's like the perfect wash, the perfect stick
• 42:01
  definition just no bell no bell so there's a lot of like we.
• 42:05
  Would do something in. It like, hey, will or will be
• 42:06
  like put the mega bell up. We got to do the bit bell bits
• 42:10
  and the the mega bell that that Bell's just phenomenal.
• 42:13
  You know? How big is this mega bell?
• 42:15
  Mega fucking mega. Mega.
• 42:18
  It's 9.5 inches. It's fucking huge.
• 42:20
  Yeah, it's huge. I.
• 42:21
  Got one but I can't. It doesn't.
• 42:23
  You can't wash it. 9.5 inches isn't it's.
• 42:25
  In its own category on the website, they discontinued it.
• 42:29
  That was a porn. Joke if anyone got it at home,
• 42:31
  leave a. Comment They discontinued that
• 42:33
  thing for like. Forever and they made like a
• 42:35
  weak. Version of it.
• 42:36
  Jeff's getting bored again. Come on, let's carry on.
• 42:38
  Yeah. Slight, slight paper wrists.
• 42:41
  Slight paper wrists. Yeah, I got a lyric.
• 42:43
  That I need you to explain, but you're definitely going to say I
• 42:45
  don't fucking remember. I remember the day the sun went
• 42:49
  out. I got explained to you.
• 42:51
  I was 13. I was going through breakups.
• 42:54
  So maybe I was 15 when I actually got into it.
• 42:56
  I was going through breakups. I was fucking little.
• 43:00
  Sad little. E my boy, that.
• 43:01
  Well, I mean, well, there you go.
• 43:03
  Like. Wouldn't it be like, didn't it
• 43:05
  feel like it was? Everything went dark.
• 43:07
  It was every when you broke. Up and you got your.
• 43:10
  Heart broken. You're probably laying in a
• 43:12
  corner fucking crying. Yeah, like that's the day the
• 43:15
  sun went out. Yeah, that's OK.
• 43:17
  That's what I. Thought it meant and that's how
• 43:19
  I took it when I was a kid and how I still take it.
• 43:21
  I just sometimes I did one of these with death heaven and I
• 43:25
  got loads of stuff wrong. I was like, does this mean this?
• 43:27
  Because, because to me it means this.
• 43:30
  And it was like, no, actually it means this, but it was super
• 43:32
  fucking interesting. Yeah, I, I, I think like.
• 43:35
  That that would be a good visualization of that feeling.
• 43:39
  I'm pretty sure I ripped that off.
• 43:41
  For something I think there, isn't there a Boy Sense Fire
• 43:43
  record? Called to daze someone out and
• 43:46
  maybe. Yeah, I think so.
• 43:46
  It might be. I think I stole it as well and
• 43:49
  stuck it in one of my old bands or something.
• 43:51
  What about this lyric? Just one of yours.
• 43:54
  It's all good. I'll have to go double check
• 43:56
  we're. All from the same.
• 43:56
  Community we can share. It didn't make any money anyway,
• 43:59
  so. Don't worry about it, nerdy.
• 44:02
  You obviously know that song. You guys, you sick.
• 44:05
  This isn't the question. But you sick of playing that
• 44:07
  yet? No.
• 44:09
  No, it's a. Fucking ass.
• 44:12
  Beater and one of the main reasons it's a fucking ass
• 44:15
  beater for me. It's like when you get that, you
• 44:20
  know someone's getting their fucking arse beat immediately.
• 44:23
  It's a nice pick me. Up towards the end of the set,
• 44:26
  Yeah. Like it's, it's nice to to have
• 44:29
  that to like end the set. You know, everybody's going to
• 44:32
  go crazy for us. Like at least for me personally,
• 44:35
  like it, you know I get you will, but you will be taught by
• 44:38
  kids. Which is fine because I'm not
• 44:40
  worried about my. Shoes no more, because what's
• 44:42
  what's the deal? Well, it used to be a problem.
• 44:44
  I used to make the band. Buy me shoes.
• 44:45
  Yeah, because I would buy shoes and they'd get fucking wrecked.
• 44:49
  Yeah. And then I'd be like, I got to
• 44:51
  buy fucking shoes again. And then we all had like gear
• 44:53
  allowances and he. Didn't have anything, so he was
• 44:55
  like God damn it, all the time, all the time.
• 44:58
  I'd be like, yo, you got to buy me shoes.
• 44:59
  Everybody gets strings and drum heads and stuff.
• 45:01
  What shoes were they doing? I think the.
• 45:03
  First pair of shoes I. Bought I bought like some
• 45:05
  freaking astronaut Nikes and they were like 100 bucks back in
• 45:09
  2000. So it was it wasn't the best
• 45:11
  pick, but just a pair of vans, nothing crazy.
• 45:13
  I just wanted to spend money like they did.
• 45:17
  Yeah, it makes sense they got bummed because we.
• 45:19
  All got allowances. And shit like that.
• 45:21
  What allowances to spend on? Gear.
• 45:23
  Well, yeah, we go to Guitar Center and be like.
• 45:25
  Everybody's like in a candy store, but I'm, like losing
• 45:28
  interest. You're like, yeah.
• 45:31
  Well, I can't. I don't.
• 45:32
  You know, I can't replace my mics all the time.
• 45:34
  I don't have to. So yeah, but you could go to
• 45:37
  what's the. Iron, you know the one in the
• 45:38
  UK, Forbidden Planet, so you could go to the the Spawn toy
• 45:42
  store. Yeah, some of that money in
• 45:44
  that, well, they would fight back pretty hard.
• 45:46
  Be like we need this which is technically true.
• 45:49
  Endorsements though. Oh yeah, now they do, yeah.
• 45:52
  It it took me a while to get a head.
• 45:53
  Endorsement because I didn't get AI.
• 45:55
  Didn't get the Evans deal until like 2008 or 2009 but prior to
• 45:59
  that it was hard. Because like when we.
• 46:01
  Started like most companies. Are like what is this?
• 46:04
  Because it was before like new metal was big.
• 46:07
  That was the thing that, you know, those companies were
• 46:10
  looking at and just fucking bunch of kids playing
• 46:12
  aggressively heavy music. You know, they they just didn't
• 46:16
  know what it was. It definitely took a moment
• 46:18
  before got things going you. Know Do you know Thomas?
• 46:21
  Bridgen was a fan. You know that?
• 46:23
  No, There's an interview with Thomas.
• 46:25
  Bridgen. I saw a while back play for the
• 46:27
  Mars, you know, Thomas, prisoners play, play for the
• 46:30
  Mars. Vault he's.
• 46:31
  A He's like, he's a phenom, absolutely unbelievable drama.
• 46:35
  And I can't remember what the interview was.
• 46:37
  And someone was asking what he was listening to.
• 46:39
  And he was like, I'm really into this band right now.
• 46:42
  Poison the World. Really.
• 46:43
  Yeah. Funny.
• 46:44
  When was this? This was like I I wanna.
• 46:46
  Say I'm trying to figure out what record he would even use.
• 46:48
  You were already out by. This point I'm this maybe like
• 46:51
  8-8 or nine years ago and I remember thinking that's how 2
• 46:54
  words I've never thought I'd see No weird.
• 46:56
  Was he on a? Was he playing?
• 46:58
  Drums from Mars Volta when we played, was it Big day out?
• 47:01
  Yeah. No, that was John He.
• 47:03
  Joined wax some ultra What's? That album got got Bed of Bedlam
• 47:08
  and Goliath. We usually have got a producer
• 47:10
  to Google when that came out but but yeah, it was like I think
• 47:13
  they did 3. Records with John.
• 47:16
  So I think Thomas joined maybe the late 2000s.
• 47:19
  Yeah. Poison welfare.
• 47:20
  Yeah, we were. At that point we were like
• 47:22
  later. So you peace we're going to get
• 47:24
  on to. That.
• 47:27
  Oh, and what a story. It is wait.
• 47:28
  Wait, wait, we didn't just get my actual.
• 47:30
  Nerdy question, is that Deftones inspired or was it just I'm in
• 47:33
  the studio? I'm going to go just probably
• 47:35
  Deftones to. Be honest, I kind of don't
• 47:37
  remember a lot of the guys I know.
• 47:41
  It's so long, though. It's so long.
• 47:43
  And like he says, like we were there, like quick.
• 47:47
  Well, it was quick. We also.
• 47:49
  Were just like, we just want like four people to sing along
• 47:53
  to this record and weren't paying attention to anything.
• 47:56
  We're just writing a record. I remember handing it to one of
• 47:58
  my friends. I I don't know, this is a good
• 48:00
  explanation as to why we don't remember anything other than
• 48:04
  time. But I remember handing the
• 48:05
  record to one of my friends and he wouldn't give it back to me.
• 48:08
  And he was like, Nah, I'm going to keep it.
• 48:10
  He's like, it's like the best thing I've ever heard.
• 48:12
  And I was like, oh, I hope I remember everything because this
• 48:17
  might be important one day. But you remember that story,
• 48:20
  though. Yeah, I remember.
• 48:21
  That that's easy to. Remember emotionally where I was
• 48:24
  at is a is a different question. Horn and tails.
• 48:28
  From Tear from the red, I always.
• 48:31
  Thought it was a love song and. Then when I actually read the
• 48:35
  lyrics, I was like, this is a hate song.
• 48:39
  Yes, was that? Intentional to make it sound.
• 48:41
  Like a love song. I I think just because it's like
• 48:43
  an. Acoustic song.
• 48:44
  It just comes across as love. It's a.
• 48:46
  Sweet sounding song with. I want to ask what lyric means.
• 48:49
  But you're going to tell me you don't know what it means.
• 48:52
  I know. The I know the the location of
• 48:56
  where it's supposed to be taking place and it's our old van.
• 48:59
  Like the grey chair is cold but here for me was it the dodge?
• 49:02
  Like, OK, sorry man. Right, I got.
• 49:04
  I was on tour all the. Time and our van and our band
• 49:07
  were Was it there for me all the time?
• 49:08
  Was it the dodge? Was it the very first one?
• 49:10
  That we got was the one with the fucking missing.
• 49:12
  With the chicken wire grill with the stolen.
• 49:15
  Cadillac. Symbol.
• 49:17
  Yes, attached to. That's cute.
• 49:19
  Though you remember that now. That line makes so much sense to
• 49:21
  me. Yeah.
• 49:22
  That that is, by the way, such a poetically beautiful song.
• 49:27
  But it is so like ambiguous in the wording that I don't know
• 49:32
  this could mean anything. Yeah.
• 49:33
  Which is I mean. I always like that about like if
• 49:38
  I ended up writing. Something.
• 49:40
  That people could interpret it however they wanted to.
• 49:43
  Especially because when they asked me what it was about, I
• 49:46
  probably was going to do a horrible job of explaining it.
• 49:50
  Only because I don't like giving up.
• 49:51
  Like the fucking answer. Because somebody could have a
• 49:55
  real attachment to a meaning for a song.
• 49:58
  And then I tell them and and like you said, with death.
• 50:04
  Heaven where you're like. I thought it was this and and
• 50:07
  it's not and I feel like that kind of steals like a little.
• 50:12
  Piece of it for. Somebody who's had this meaning
• 50:17
  towards the song because they've interpreted and internalized it
• 50:20
  a specific way. And I don't want to take that
• 50:22
  away from somebody. So it's intentional.
• 50:25
  You. You.
• 50:25
  Do it. You're very talented, very
• 50:28
  talented. It must be hard to do.
• 50:30
  What are you? Are you looking at me like I'm
• 50:32
  joking? I'm trying to understand what
• 50:34
  you mean like. Talented in the way that I don't
• 50:36
  explain anything I seem like to be.
• 50:38
  Able to take what you're feeling and then give it an air of
• 50:43
  ambiguity so other people can relate to it while still getting
• 50:47
  out what you intended for. For sure.
• 50:50
  And you know, I, I don't. Know, I don't think that that
• 50:53
  was the goal. I think that that's just ended
• 50:55
  up being my writing style, which which did change later on.
• 50:59
  That's always been in the back of my mind when anybody has ever
• 51:02
  asked me about. I actually remember a time where
• 51:07
  we played a show. Somebody came up to me, asked me
• 51:10
  about the meaning of a song, told them, and I could see in
• 51:14
  their face that they were disappointed that their
• 51:17
  interpretation of it wasn't at all what it was.
• 51:21
  And I was like, I think that that was the moment where I was
• 51:24
  like, well, maybe I'm not going to really think about that very
• 51:27
  much. So I don't have an answer for
• 51:28
  people when they ask me. Do you remember what song it
• 51:31
  was? Probably that way it.
• 51:34
  Wasn't an it was. It was for apathy.
• 51:36
  Is a cold body all right? OK, you don't.
• 51:39
  Have to say it again in case you ruin, but I'd like to know.
• 51:42
  No, well, I don't. Like, I will say that their
• 51:46
  interpretation of it was really off, but that was cool to see
• 51:52
  that somebody took it that far away from like where I was
• 51:56
  trying to land. So I, I, I, if anything, I would
• 52:00
  want to hear what other people's interpretation of the lyrics are
• 52:03
  versus what mine like, what my intention for it would have
• 52:08
  been. Well, unfortunately is my
• 52:09
  podcast. And I want to know what?
• 52:12
  I never took your eyes out of my bag.
• 52:15
  Men, Do you remember that one? Because you're.
• 52:18
  Yeah. Well, does that make?
• 52:20
  That makes no sense to me. Because you would take a piece.
• 52:23
  Of that person with you right so I wasn't physically removing a
• 52:29
  piece of their body you could say in a way that they look at
• 52:32
  you that that that would be something I would want to have
• 52:38
  with me while I was gone as a memento to to have them near me
• 52:44
  so even though I hated them but I still kept this piece of them
• 52:47
  with me and I think an. Interesting way to.
• 52:53
  Frame. That would be their eyes.
• 52:55
  Their eyes, that's fucking. See that's what I don't care if
• 52:59
  you didn't enjoy this or you're not enjoying this, That's like
• 53:02
  that's an answer the Riddle for me for fucking however many
• 53:05
  years. OK, that's cool.
• 53:06
  Yeah, that's really poetic. That's what I like.
• 53:09
  That's what I like Awesome. Feel like you hate your lyrics.
• 53:12
  I I don't, not at. All I mean, I think that they
• 53:16
  just their meanings change so much over the years.
• 53:19
  If I look at opposite of December lyrics now, if
• 53:25
  anything, getting older and looking back at lyrics when I
• 53:29
  was much younger, I think I tend to simplify them too much so
• 53:33
  they kind of lose the magic that I've felt maybe they had then.
• 53:38
  It's cool to be able to like revisit that, right?
• 53:41
  I have like a time capsule basically, and I can be like,
• 53:44
  oh, every record I can go back and be like, oh, I remember
• 53:47
  where I was or you know what I was going through.
• 53:50
  But reading them now I go, they're oversimplified and
• 53:55
  they've changed so much that like, I wish I could go back and
• 53:58
  listen to him for the first time and have like a like that
• 54:02
  imaginative interpretation of it.
• 54:04
  Well, other people do. Great people.
• 54:06
  Are still getting into them last one on the old ship parks and
• 54:09
  what you meant to me now now I yeah.
• 54:13
  What are you? What are you?
• 54:14
  What is this song about? Now.
• 54:17
  Lyrically, yes, seems like a love song, but I did hear I had
• 54:23
  a little rumour that it's more than that.
• 54:26
  Yes, go on. It's about having sex in a park
• 54:31
  when you know that fact, Tom. Williams told me that fact that
• 54:34
  Tom Williams told me that. I don't know if he does like
• 54:38
  managership with you guys, but like he's a massive poison, The
• 54:41
  well known as well. I think when you told him that,
• 54:44
  he told me at the same day, he was like, bro, you're never
• 54:46
  going to believe this. Yeah, that's pretty funny.
• 54:48
  It's. About it's and.
• 54:50
  When you read the lyrics knowing it's about, it's a horny ass
• 54:54
  song. It's so horny.
• 54:56
  So fucking like literal, but it's disguised in such a way the
• 55:03
  I never knew that. Yeah, it was a a special.
• 55:06
  Time that that experience as a young man so it seemed relevant
• 55:12
  to to write about it. Sorry, sure, my mom will
• 55:16
  probably. She doesn't want to hear you've
• 55:18
  got kid she knows you've had. Sex, of course, but you know,
• 55:21
  you're like, oh, this dude's. Like like time capsuled, like an
• 55:25
  experience like that in capsule sex.
• 55:29
  Yeah. Is there just one particularly
• 55:31
  good bit of sex that you remember?
• 55:33
  Was it, is it a biographical account of what happened the the
• 55:38
  song? Yeah, well.
• 55:39
  Yeah, but everything I write about happened in real life.
• 55:42
  Yeah, but I didn't know if it was.
• 55:44
  A post as it's a breakup album. I didn't know if it was a post
• 55:50
  you were just remembering shagging.
• 55:52
  Just remembering it. Shagging in the park, yeah.
• 55:54
  I mean. If that's the.
• 55:55
  Breakup album. Then not only are you angry
• 55:59
  about it, but you're also mourning the loss of some of
• 56:02
  those experiences. Yeah, all that stuff.
• 56:05
  Shagging on a bench. Was it on a?
• 56:07
  Bench. No, it wasn't on a bench.
• 56:09
  I'm trying to say. I'm trying to think of the
• 56:10
  lyric. Let me pull these fucking lyrics
• 56:12
  out. Just get these fucking lyrics
• 56:13
  going and then we'll move on. Yeah, yeah, All right.
• 56:16
  This is why I knew it wasn't on a bench.
• 56:18
  The white pavement seems so inviting.
• 56:20
  So lay back and gain bruises with me.
• 56:23
  It's been a long time since I've seen you from above.
• 56:25
  And you're still beautiful once. You know it's so horny.
• 56:30
  Yeah. Crash your.
• 56:32
  Parts into mine. Straight up, I still don't
• 56:34
  understand. How anybody doesn't know what
• 56:36
  the fuck that meant? None of us man.
• 56:38
  The biggest fans. Crash Your Parts into Mine is
• 56:41
  delivered in such a beautiful way as well and it's just about
• 56:45
  shagging. Unreal, so lost inside of you.
• 56:50
  Intoxicate me with all your. Voices.
• 56:52
  Yeah. What's What's the voices?
• 56:54
  Just quite literally, it's a moaning.
• 56:56
  Yeah, like moaning. And.
• 56:57
  Oh yeah, I see. I'm.
• 56:58
  Learning even more. Damn, it's a pretty horny song.
• 57:02
  It's so. Horny we got you to.
• 57:04
  Sing on the stray horny song. Yeah, that was even.
• 57:07
  That's the horniest song. I've ever heard of my entire
• 57:09
  life. Thanks Will Putney.
• 57:11
  Was like, yo that's. Super horny.
• 57:13
  I was like, all right, you'll get get horny.
• 57:15
  It was. Specifically.
• 57:17
  I've wanted to do like a Nine Inch Nails E kind of song for
• 57:21
  ages and we're like last record and we've only got 9 songs.
• 57:25
  What do we do? And I was like well should we do
• 57:27
  a Nine Inch Nails song? So I did like some of the
• 57:31
  programming. And stuff and.
• 57:33
  Then I went to bed and then I woke up.
• 57:36
  I did. Anybody got the verses and the
• 57:38
  choruses like down me and we'll write in.
• 57:40
  And then I went to bed and I woke up and we'll have created
• 57:43
  this fucking monster. And then we're talking about who
• 57:45
  we can get on it, fresh off the knowledge that that song is
• 57:48
  about having sex. Look at who's better.
• 57:51
  Boom, done. Yeah.
• 57:53
  Already experienced in. Writing horny.
• 57:55
  Songs, horny song and also a bucket list.
• 57:57
  Thing for me to get you on a song.
• 57:59
  Yeah, thanks for I was supposed to scream on it.
• 58:01
  Too. And we just ran out of time.
• 58:03
  I never will forgot about it. Oh, I didn't know that.
• 58:06
  Yeah. But I'm.
• 58:08
  Happy with the part I got to do. I Yeah, it's got melody was cool
• 58:12
  and it was really cool. Yeah, it's very sensual.
• 58:15
  Are you guys having fun? That's yeah, that's what I want
• 58:18
  to know. I'm blushing.
• 58:19
  Yeah. Have a good time.
• 58:20
  He's dissecting your lyrics. It's fine.
• 58:22
  He's dissecting your. Fucking you're making mega.
• 58:25
  Fun of my making. Fun of my.
• 58:26
  Mega Bell he. Loves the bell, are you?
• 58:28
  Are you? I'm sorry.
• 58:29
  I'm British. No, we're good.
• 58:31
  We're not. I I would say Chris and I
• 58:34
  probably have the the thickest skins when it comes to me.
• 58:38
  No, not at. All no.
• 58:40
  OK, good. What?
• 58:42
  Was it that made? You step away.
• 58:45
  When you stepped away, I was burnt the fuck out.
• 58:48
  I. Think it was me and.
• 58:51
  I it was you and I that were. Is it me and you or you and I,
• 58:54
  You and I, You and I pieces? Of you and me, I'm a fan.
• 58:59
  I specifically remember being on tour.
• 59:01
  With oh, that's parts of what you meant to me.
• 59:03
  Never mind. Pieces of you and me would have
• 59:05
  worked for that horny ass shit, It really would.
• 59:08
  I remember being on tour with Rise.
• 59:10
  Against in Europe and having gone through all the crap that
• 59:13
  we were going through with being robbed, well, yeah, we were
• 59:15
  Billy 1 Billy. Talent tour, Super great dudes,
• 59:19
  nice guys. Horrible tour to be on.
• 59:20
  Yeah, that didn't do anything for us.
• 59:22
  And you know, the morale of the band.
• 59:24
  And then we got jacked. Second show out of Detroit.
• 59:27
  Van and trailer gone. Everything.
• 59:30
  And we continued. On the tour we borrowed.
• 59:32
  Gear that the tremors of. That theft are still felt today
• 59:36
  like Ryan refuses to buy any vintage.
• 59:41
  Ryan had like all these vintage gear that he had with him that
• 59:44
  got stolen and now he's just like no Les Pauls.
• 59:46
  He's like I. I had the one, it was taken.
• 59:49
  He had the 1. He like he's he had a cab.
• 59:51
  Back that red Marshall head. Oh, the JC, He was like, yeah.
• 59:54
  It was a perfect. One I could never find it again
• 59:56
  and it's it's beating him down. He'd he'd never buy anything
• 1:00:00
  like that would be nice 'cause it would get stolen.
• 1:00:03
  I think he found. All of the stuff that he wanted
• 1:00:07
  and it got taken from him and he's like, I'll never find it
• 1:00:09
  again. I kind of respect that it.
• 1:00:11
  Was gone gone forever. Oh, straight up gone.
• 1:00:13
  Like we walked out like that, surely.
• 1:00:15
  So these guys went out the night before to.
• 1:00:17
  Go get a drink. It was like you and Phil, our
• 1:00:19
  old sound guy and whoever and whatever.
• 1:00:21
  They came back and we parked initially in one spot.
• 1:00:24
  When they dropped us off and we all walked out.
• 1:00:26
  We're like, oh, they went to the bar.
• 1:00:27
  They must have parked around back.
• 1:00:29
  Just remember walking around the entire hotel and being like in
• 1:00:32
  the morning, yeah, in the. Morning.
• 1:00:34
  Where's the van? Where's where's the trailer?
• 1:00:36
  It was just like, yeah, then we realized it was gone.
• 1:00:39
  Yeah. So what did you say?
• 1:00:41
  Second, show me. Yeah, the we played Saint
• 1:00:43
  Andrew's Hall. So it was the first, I think it
• 1:00:46
  was the first show. It was after the first show, it
• 1:00:48
  was a pop. Parking lot around the back it
• 1:00:50
  was in. Front of the hotel, yeah.
• 1:00:51
  Oh, in. Front of the hotel and then.
• 1:00:53
  OK, so you finish that tour and then then what?
• 1:00:56
  Should we pack it in? Well, we were on tour with Rise.
• 1:00:59
  Against and, but we went to Japan and played the.
• 1:01:03
  Arena in front of 200 people? Yeah, that was bad too.
• 1:01:06
  There's just like a lot of the arena in front of 200.
• 1:01:08
  People. Well, it looks like a music.
• 1:01:10
  Festival Loud Park and we played like, not necessarily.
• 1:01:15
  Because they thought. They've been put us in there
• 1:01:17
  because we were supposed to fill it, but there was a cover band
• 1:01:21
  that played before us and there was five times.
• 1:01:25
  More people. And then we went to play and
• 1:01:27
  there was like, you know, 500 people, which now talk, saying
• 1:01:32
  it out loud is kind of like a fucking bullshit even response
• 1:01:36
  to it. But I think it says a lot about
• 1:01:38
  how burnt out we are. Because if we went to Japan now
• 1:01:41
  and I played in front of fucking 300 people in any size room, I'd
• 1:01:45
  be fucking stoked. It wouldn't be a problem for us.
• 1:01:49
  But we were pretty burnt out at that point that we just had so
• 1:01:51
  many things happening to us. It was you and I who were really
• 1:01:56
  talking about it a lot. And I think I was, I remember
• 1:01:58
  being on like being on the bus because we shared it with
• 1:02:02
  Thursday, We shared it with Thursday.
• 1:02:03
  I specifically remember. After one of the shows, you and
• 1:02:05
  I, we brought terrible show. People looking at us like we
• 1:02:08
  have like 15 heads. Yeah, that was also weird tour
• 1:02:11
  for us too. And I just kind of was like, I
• 1:02:13
  felt like nobody cared. I think I need to go.
• 1:02:14
  Home. Yeah, it was like.
• 1:02:15
  I haven't been home in a while. We also have been.
• 1:02:17
  Like put. We were like it it.
• 1:02:22
  Felt we were like we were also just being put on the road to
• 1:02:27
  make sure that everybody was getting their peace and not
• 1:02:31
  nobody was actually even paying attention or had a strategy as
• 1:02:34
  to why we were doing it. So things which we're just
• 1:02:39
  getting progressively worse externally, internally.
• 1:02:43
  And I, it got I mean shit for us to even have the conversation or
• 1:02:47
  I to have the conversation because I didn't have anything
• 1:02:49
  else. No, you know, all I have been
• 1:02:52
  doing poison well for my 20s to to finally have the balls to be
• 1:02:58
  like, I'm going to go home and get a job meant that things were
• 1:03:03
  really bad. It was.
• 1:03:04
  It was pretty bad. Yeah, I remember that
• 1:03:06
  conversation and being like, I don't want to do this.
• 1:03:08
  This isn't fun. Doesn't feel like anybody cared.
• 1:03:11
  Like we cared, but like it wasn't just, it just wasn't
• 1:03:15
  sustainable. And I felt that people cared,
• 1:03:17
  but. It was hard to to to.
• 1:03:20
  See past like all. Of what we felt plus it like we
• 1:03:24
  were also like, you know, I mean, how many years is that
• 1:03:27
  dealing with each other's? You're in a relationship, right?
• 1:03:30
  You're in a band like you're in a relationship with these people
• 1:03:34
  and everyone's problems are your problems all the time.
• 1:03:37
  And that shit was a massive close quarters.
• 1:03:41
  It was brutal. Yeah, after a while.
• 1:03:43
  You know, I'd wake up and, like, somebody would have an issue and
• 1:03:45
  you'd just be like, I don't care.
• 1:03:46
  Yeah, it's like I don't have, I have to deal with.
• 1:03:49
  I'm thinking about my future and like you have like some problem
• 1:03:53
  that you should solve on your. Own but.
• 1:03:57
  We all have to exist within whatever's happening because
• 1:04:00
  we're in a band together and we need to make sure you're good
• 1:04:03
  and we need to make sure that we're good.
• 1:04:06
  And it just became too much. Did you fall out?
• 1:04:10
  No. No, that was the.
• 1:04:11
  Other thing, it was like we were still good friends.
• 1:04:15
  I don't didn't I like in my mind, I was like, yo, I need a
• 1:04:19
  break from dealing with everybody's bullshit, But it
• 1:04:21
  wasn't like, oh, because I'm tired of them or anything.
• 1:04:23
  It was just like, yo, it'd be nice to like not have to deal
• 1:04:25
  with like just a regular stuff from tour because Chris and I.
• 1:04:29
  Talked. All of the time after after that
• 1:04:33
  and maybe maybe not immediately after, but like it wasn't, it
• 1:04:36
  didn't take years for us to talk or anything.
• 1:04:39
  It just kind of was like, hey, I'm going to go home for a
• 1:04:40
  little bit. There's no beef, and there was
• 1:04:42
  no. Like, we don't want to create
• 1:04:44
  with one another. That was the thing too.
• 1:04:46
  We just like, let's just do an indefinite hiatus, figure out
• 1:04:49
  our lives. Who are we outside of the band?
• 1:04:52
  Because the same thing with Jeff.
• 1:04:53
  I had been doing this since I was like 1718 years old.
• 1:04:57
  I knew nothing about the world outside of being in a fucking
• 1:05:01
  van or a bus or whatever going on tour.
• 1:05:04
  And, and you know, he's right. You, you deal with other people.
• 1:05:07
  Shit, sometimes it's stupid sometimes.
• 1:05:09
  Like why is this guy acting like this?
• 1:05:11
  Like there's so much more. This is stupid.
• 1:05:14
  You know, it wasn't stupid to him, but it may have been stupid
• 1:05:16
  to me and to Jeff. And then we weren't able to
• 1:05:18
  distinguish between. That either right now, you can't
• 1:05:20
  even just like, all right, I'm going to be here for you, even
• 1:05:23
  though I don't want to be here right now just because this is a
• 1:05:25
  process. At that point you were like,
• 1:05:28
  yeah, good luck. You know, I'm out, I'm going to
• 1:05:30
  go do whatever I got to do. But it was the right time to to
• 1:05:34
  stop. I think it was really important.
• 1:05:36
  Looking at it now and kind of where we went, I think it was
• 1:05:39
  important for us, to all of us to grow up in our own different
• 1:05:42
  ways. What did you do?
• 1:05:44
  I moved to California and I started just playing for people.
• 1:05:48
  It was just like, OK, well, I'll just be a.
• 1:05:52
  Hired guy and I just. Kind of had to restart over and
• 1:05:55
  you played on a lot of shit. I played with a bunch of.
• 1:05:57
  Different people I've learned how to.
• 1:05:58
  Exist as like a guy in a band and then the guy that, you know,
• 1:06:01
  shows up in this hired and that sort of thing.
• 1:06:04
  Which was important for me because I love playing drums.
• 1:06:06
  And, you know, I always want to get better and do the best I can
• 1:06:10
  and learn. Like I've learned a tremendous
• 1:06:12
  amount from him and Ryan and, you know, try to develop those
• 1:06:15
  other relationships working for people and just take stuff in
• 1:06:18
  'cause I just, I love playing drums.
• 1:06:21
  So that's what I did up until we all kind of reconnected over we
• 1:06:25
  we started playing shows in 2015, but more of the recording
• 1:06:29
  where we are kind of right now was I saw it in 2015.
• 1:06:33
  Well, maybe I saw it in 2016. I thought it was 2016.
• 1:06:36
  Yeah, right. Kind.
• 1:06:37
  Of the. Rockfest.
• 1:06:38
  No, the the very first one was the.
• 1:06:40
  Surf and skate and then the Williamsburg Music Hall, that
• 1:06:43
  was 2015. That was the first one where
• 1:06:46
  we're like, we broke, we dipped our toe back in.
• 1:06:49
  Yeah, I was there that Tom Williams and yeah, that.
• 1:06:52
  Canada, Tom talked. To me, about that one, I had
• 1:06:54
  some vocal problems. That was like I had been out for
• 1:06:57
  a while. What did Tom say to you I sound
• 1:06:59
  like? Shit.
• 1:07:01
  That's why he's your manager, bro.
• 1:07:02
  Yeah. It's totally just be straight.
• 1:07:04
  With you, he's like that just needs to be.
• 1:07:05
  Better. Yeah, he talked to all of us.
• 1:07:07
  He's like, OK, if you guys are going to go back, you need to
• 1:07:10
  fix this, you need to fix that. You need to fix this.
• 1:07:12
  That's a fucking good manager. And he was right, 100.
• 1:07:14
  Percent he's. Totally right.
• 1:07:16
  You know, and we're and we're good with that.
• 1:07:18
  Like I lied an honest criticism of what I'm trying to do from
• 1:07:23
  somebody who's a part of trying to improve and reach a goal,
• 1:07:28
  right? Like I'm OK with that.
• 1:07:30
  I'd also like to say that any of the.
• 1:07:32
  Managers that we have had never been that way.
• 1:07:34
  It was actually really refreshing to have somebody be
• 1:07:37
  like, this could be better. That could be better you.
• 1:07:40
  Don't want a yes man we've had. Too many of those and like we.
• 1:07:44
  I think, at least for me, I always knew that they were yes
• 1:07:46
  men and it was very frustrating, 'cause you're like, whatever
• 1:07:49
  happened, yeah. I want.
• 1:07:51
  I want it. There's always going to be holes
• 1:07:52
  in your game. It's like, just tell me I I'd
• 1:07:54
  like to fix it. I'd like to be better at this or
• 1:07:56
  that or whatever. So that was life after.
• 1:07:59
  Yeah. And then I you got a.
• 1:08:01
  Real job. Yeah, well, I remember that
• 1:08:03
  when. We were having the conversations
• 1:08:05
  about going on hiatus. I was freaking out because I
• 1:08:09
  didn't graduate high school and went on tour like when I was 18.
• 1:08:15
  And that was like the first time that I had to think about
• 1:08:18
  getting a job because I was able to like survive off of nothing.
• 1:08:22
  So I was like, I don't know what I'm going to do, but I know that
• 1:08:25
  whatever I do, I can survive off of.
• 1:08:27
  Like, I don't know, I didn't need a lot of money because we
• 1:08:31
  had learned like how to live off a little bit of money.
• 1:08:34
  We were broke as fuck, dude. It was like.
• 1:08:36
  The next level dumb shit that we would do with it just really
• 1:08:38
  sucked to like go. Back home and you'd see people
• 1:08:42
  who like had this idea of what being in a band was.
• 1:08:46
  And then we'd had accomplished all this stuff, but there was
• 1:08:49
  like a big decline in in what we were doing.
• 1:08:53
  So like, people would see me after they hadn't seen me in a
• 1:08:56
  while and they'd be like Jeff from fucking poison well, like
• 1:08:59
  this motherfuckers driving Lamborghinis and shit.
• 1:09:02
  And I would be embarrassed 'cause I was like, I don't have
• 1:09:05
  anything, you know, and I have a lot of memories.
• 1:09:07
  People bought fucking C DS. As well, I think when versions
• 1:09:10
  came out. Was when that transition from
• 1:09:13
  physical media to digital media also piracy was like at its
• 1:09:20
  height when versions came out? Yeah, sure.
• 1:09:23
  Of course. So.
• 1:09:23
  This is pre Spotify but post piracy, yeah.
• 1:09:26
  So there's really no money. Yeah.
• 1:09:28
  So weird transition. It was definitely was the weird.
• 1:09:31
  Transition. Well, what happened was.
• 1:09:32
  Is that so? Versions we recorded it and it
• 1:09:35
  leaked 3 months before it came out and if you looked at the if
• 1:09:42
  you looked at any like tracker information on torrents for that
• 1:09:46
  record in those three months, basically anybody who would have
• 1:09:50
  bought the record had already illegally downloaded burned it
• 1:09:53
  onto ACD and had moved on by the time it came out.
• 1:09:56
  So it was a massive failure to the label.
• 1:10:00
  So we didn't have that no more, you know?
• 1:10:02
  And then everybody had already given their opinion on that
• 1:10:06
  record, which that was a very divisive record.
• 1:10:08
  Yeah. And, and it was kind of like all
• 1:10:13
  of the worst things that could have happened happened at that
• 1:10:16
  moment during versions. And then that's where we were
• 1:10:20
  trying to like, make the band, be the band.
• 1:10:22
  Again. Yeah, You know, you're just
• 1:10:24
  like, well, what do we do now? It's like the first negative
• 1:10:27
  time in Poison. Well, everything had been
• 1:10:30
  fucking uphill, you know, you Come Before you was awesome.
• 1:10:33
  Deftones tour, all this shit, major label.
• 1:10:35
  They're all like super stoked on you.
• 1:10:38
  So I don't think we were prepared to handle the turn.
• 1:10:41
  Yeah. So when the turn.
• 1:10:43
  Came it was. Devastating and you're like
• 1:10:45
  fucking lost. And we also missed a bunch of
• 1:10:48
  waves. We also like that record came
• 1:10:50
  out. What, like 2007?
• 1:10:52
  Because we had a bunch of problems internally, too.
• 1:10:54
  We lost. Derek was trying to pick the
• 1:10:56
  pieces back up and figure out what we were doing.
• 1:10:59
  We missed like a big part of the time that we should have put a
• 1:11:03
  record out so that when versions came out.
• 1:11:07
  It was too different. Well, I I think.
• 1:11:10
  That what happens is. You bands jump on waves and we
• 1:11:13
  were able to do that, but opposite tear and then you come
• 1:11:16
  before you. And then when all that stuff
• 1:11:17
  happened with Derek and the the whole thing, we just, the wave
• 1:11:22
  kept going and we were off the wave.
• 1:11:23
  And then when we tried to get back on it, we were just doing
• 1:11:26
  something divisive, different, maybe a little bit more self
• 1:11:30
  indulgent for ourselves or whatever.
• 1:11:32
  And it's just like couldn't get back up on the wave.
• 1:11:34
  Same thing with Tropic rot. Tropic rot, you know, we tried
• 1:11:37
  to course correct a little bit, but still sort of maintain the
• 1:11:39
  eclectic sort of thing we were doing and we couldn't get back
• 1:11:42
  up on it. Are you proud of versions?
• 1:11:45
  I fucking love versions. Versions is great.
• 1:11:48
  It's. Just different to It's not my.
• 1:11:51
  Yeah, it's not my. Favorite sounding record?
• 1:11:53
  It's a hard record to listen to, yeah, but I think it's
• 1:11:57
  reflective of all. Sonically.
• 1:11:59
  Sonic. I've tried to listen to it.
• 1:12:01
  A few times in the past couple years and every time I listen to
• 1:12:04
  it, I'm like, fuck, it's a hard record.
• 1:12:07
  It takes a lot of like, you have to invest a lot into that record
• 1:12:13
  musically, but. Sonically.
• 1:12:15
  I'm like, all right already, this is a weird record, but on
• 1:12:17
  top of it, we made it even difficult for people sonically
• 1:12:22
  to to like, get into the record, though maybe that's aged well.
• 1:12:28
  I don't know. I don't think the production.
• 1:12:30
  Doesn't stick out in me as being being bad at all.
• 1:12:33
  What I always do remember about that record, though, The fucking
• 1:12:36
  CD, that that little digi pack, Yeah, with just the sticker on
• 1:12:40
  the front with the was it just this didn't have the logo
• 1:12:44
  because it just had the sticker that had the logo.
• 1:12:45
  It was just those icebergs, Yeah.
• 1:12:47
  And the sticker was on. The top of the cellophane team,
• 1:12:50
  Yeah. And Brian Montori did that.
• 1:12:52
  Artwork which I love. Yeah, I love that he gave me a
• 1:12:55
  little. He did like a little.
• 1:12:56
  Painting. Yeah, I'll see.
• 1:12:58
  Because yeah, that was like part of his.
• 1:13:00
  He had like a whole series that he did.
• 1:13:03
  He's going to be showing them next year.
• 1:13:05
  I think if I'm ever correctly here in Nashville, where he's
• 1:13:08
  trying to work it out with a gallery to show those paintings
• 1:13:11
  that he took the photos of, yeah, he did a really good job
• 1:13:13
  on that. That the artwork on that records
• 1:13:17
  feels and like how that record sounds yeah I hope but I I also
• 1:13:21
  think that the. Record sounds like what was
• 1:13:23
  going on because Ryan's dad also died right when Derek quit.
• 1:13:26
  There was just a lot of like, I think when I listen to it, I'm
• 1:13:30
  like, this feels like all the chaos and all the the sorrow and
• 1:13:36
  everything happening at the time.
• 1:13:37
  And I was trying to figure out what can we do this?
• 1:13:40
  Can we do this? Because Derek was such a big
• 1:13:42
  part of the band, you know? But yeah, I mean, I, I guess I
• 1:13:46
  didn't feel. That way, I mean any I didn't
• 1:13:49
  know it was a weird wreck. I thought it was an awesome.
• 1:13:52
  Ryan was like, yo, check out this riff and I'm like hell yes,
• 1:13:55
  sounds awesome. I don't fucking.
• 1:13:57
  Know I'm just like yeah sounds. Like poison.
• 1:13:59
  Well, yeah, sounds like, you know, we're experimenting.
• 1:14:02
  It's still heavy. And also, I wasn't going to shy
• 1:14:06
  away from my ability because, you know, if he hands me a riff
• 1:14:11
  and I get to do something interesting vocally over it, I'm
• 1:14:15
  like, cool. It's like, it does.
• 1:14:17
  It didn't feel like I was rehashing anything vocally.
• 1:14:21
  So it was exciting for me. So I was, I guess, kind of
• 1:14:25
  shocked. When it came out.
• 1:14:26
  And it was like shit on and it wasn't shit on by I don't know
• 1:14:31
  if critics is the way it felt like it was like a a bad like a
• 1:14:35
  musician's record versus like someone who listens to Poison
• 1:14:39
  Bells record. Yeah, because people who played.
• 1:14:41
  Instruments. I always heard to be like, I
• 1:14:44
  love that record. Yeah, I think.
• 1:14:47
  I think if you were a day one, you got the record.
• 1:14:51
  If you came in on you came before you, you didn't get the
• 1:14:55
  record. That was my like I remember at
• 1:14:59
  the. Time being like.
• 1:15:01
  That's just what I do. Just be a bit weird.
• 1:15:04
  Yeah. Cool.
• 1:15:04
  Anyway, we're not here to talk about fucking versions.
• 1:15:06
  You got a new record. Peace in place.
• 1:15:08
  Yes, firstly. So you did.
• 1:15:12
  You did some reunion shows 20/15/2016.
• 1:15:14
  And then just fucking dip again. Yeah.
• 1:15:17
  In and out we were. We did.
• 1:15:19
  We dipped and then 2020, I think, yeah, but that's a big
• 1:15:22
  dip, right, 16? Or 20 is like, I guess like hey,
• 1:15:26
  I guess. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:27
  Good point, Good point. What what happens there like?
• 1:15:30
  You come back and is there no talk of doing a record?
• 1:15:34
  It's just no. It was just.
• 1:15:35
  It was just no. There was no we would talk.
• 1:15:38
  About him and I talked about all the time. 10. 10 years.
• 1:15:42
  Ago we talked about this forever about doing it.
• 1:15:44
  It was just getting Ryan on board and and getting the thing
• 1:15:48
  moving because the thing had stopped.
• 1:15:50
  Like we're not managers. We don't know, like what needs
• 1:15:53
  to get done, you know, like there's just a lot of stuff that
• 1:15:56
  happens on the back end that him and I were like, was there a
• 1:15:59
  point that kick started? OK, we're going to make a.
• 1:16:01
  Record. Yeah, yeah, the the horns.
• 1:16:04
  And tails re recording yeah for the box which was the the our.
• 1:16:10
  Way of getting into the. Studio together in the easiest.
• 1:16:16
  Way like not having. To write a new song, you know,
• 1:16:19
  so we, we knew we were doing this box set and we Chris and I
• 1:16:23
  were talking. I was like, well, what if we go
• 1:16:25
  re record Horns and Tales? It already exists.
• 1:16:27
  And we can, you know, it's an acoustic song.
• 1:16:29
  So like, let's make it a band song.
• 1:16:31
  And I think that that might be a good way for us to get in a room
• 1:16:35
  together and see if so it was calculated.
• 1:16:38
  Yeah. By you?
• 1:16:40
  And did anyone else know the calculation?
• 1:16:42
  Yeah, I knew Chris knew. You 2 knew and.
• 1:16:44
  You're like, let's. Get get the man back together,
• 1:16:47
  Tweedle. Dee and Tweedle demo.
• 1:16:48
  I mean, I, I, I think I like saying it's.
• 1:16:50
  Scheming because it's fun, but I don't think it was.
• 1:16:53
  I just think it's understanding what path we needed to take to
• 1:16:59
  see if we can reach that end goal, you know, without ruining
• 1:17:05
  our relationships. Because any time that the
• 1:17:09
  conversation came up about writing a record, you instantly
• 1:17:13
  felt the pressure. So you don't start the
• 1:17:17
  conversation with pressure. You start the conversation with,
• 1:17:20
  hey, let's do something cool. And then if something comes of
• 1:17:25
  it, great. If not, it's cool.
• 1:17:26
  We get to hang out for a couple days.
• 1:17:28
  It was a lot of fun. It was.
• 1:17:30
  It was actually like. I realized I could sing again
• 1:17:35
  because I didn't know if I could because I had taken so much time
• 1:17:38
  off. And I think Ryan was like, I
• 1:17:41
  could still play guitar and riff and I can still be in a room
• 1:17:44
  together with you guys. And we had a good time.
• 1:17:46
  And I remember we were. Done recording.
• 1:17:49
  The song and we were sitting outside of the studio and Ryan
• 1:17:53
  was like, I had a lot of fun, we should do more of that.
• 1:17:56
  And I was like, let's do more of that.
• 1:17:59
  You're like it worked and. Then it took.
• 1:18:02
  But even then, it still took another two years before we
• 1:18:05
  actually even did anything. Yeah, took a minute.
• 1:18:09
  When did we partly get involved? After.
• 1:18:10
  Tom yeah, took us. On yeah, TomTom suggested.
• 1:18:14
  Will just the best possible fucking.
• 1:18:16
  Choice. Yeah, we were just talking
• 1:18:18
  about. Will on our way here and you
• 1:18:22
  know, another record and if we make another record I I would
• 1:18:26
  love to do it with Will. I had such an amazing experience
• 1:18:29
  with him. I did every single Stray album.
• 1:18:31
  With Will and then we always just said if we're not doing it,
• 1:18:35
  but we're we're just not going to do it.
• 1:18:36
  Yeah, he really is for Stray. He is 1/5 member like and the
• 1:18:41
  hangout was so much fun. Yeah, I mean, he brings the best
• 1:18:44
  out of everybody. He'll let you know when your
• 1:18:46
  shit sucks. He'll let you know when it's
• 1:18:47
  cool, which is great. And he's just like that.
• 1:18:49
  That could be better. Like, OK, I'll figure out how to
• 1:18:52
  make this better. He's a no man.
• 1:18:53
  Yeah, we need. More No, yeah, yeah, 100 fucking
• 1:18:56
  no, man, for sure. Dude, yes, yeah.
• 1:18:58
  I mean, I've said this. Multiple.
• 1:18:59
  Times but like I had like I would be left alone to write
• 1:19:04
  lyrics and place and I'd have to like record demos.
• 1:19:08
  I don't even know how to use his setup in that little room.
• 1:19:11
  I know how to press the spacebar and then press it again to stop
• 1:19:14
  press it to record. So they'd get these janky,
• 1:19:17
  horrible sounding demos, me in the room, and they would be
• 1:19:21
  recording and he would have to come hear the recording and read
• 1:19:26
  the lyrics. And I would be pacing around
• 1:19:29
  behind him freaking out because I'm like, I put in so much work
• 1:19:33
  and effort into this and I don't know if it's good.
• 1:19:36
  And if he tells me it sucks and I have to start over, like I'm
• 1:19:40
  going to be devastated. And I spent hours doing this.
• 1:19:43
  Luckily for me, we never had, I think we only had one time where
• 1:19:48
  he was like, you need to start over.
• 1:19:50
  None of this works. And every other time it felt
• 1:19:54
  like my dad telling me he was proud of me.
• 1:19:58
  I think I've. Said those exact words on this
• 1:20:00
  podcast talking about tracking drums.
• 1:20:02
  Yeah, Will knows 3. Out of the. 5 Strayer How many
• 1:20:08
  did I do know? I did 4 two out of the four did
• 1:20:11
  I do 5? I don't know.
• 1:20:13
  Anyway, most there was 2. The 1st 2 records I did where I
• 1:20:16
  didn't really learn my parts before we went into the studio
• 1:20:18
  and it was a fucking nightmare and although we're friends he
• 1:20:22
  like fucking hated it. And then the last two records I
• 1:20:27
  really fucking like. I rehearsed everything.
• 1:20:30
  Me and him wrote everything like, and then I learned it note
• 1:20:34
  from note. And then I tracked in like 2 1/2
• 1:20:38
  days. That's awesome.
• 1:20:39
  And he, yeah, I've never done it that fast before in my life.
• 1:20:41
  And then where was like, you did fucking amazing.
• 1:20:45
  And it was like my dad. Well, that was, that was the.
• 1:20:48
  Lore I heard that you like would just learn songs super quick and
• 1:20:52
  record a whole record in like 2 days.
• 1:20:54
  Is that you? You heard the.
• 1:20:56
  Law. Yeah, he told me about that too.
• 1:20:58
  Wow. He was.
• 1:20:59
  Proud that you're AG dude. That's.
• 1:21:02
  Sick, not a he. It's not easy, especially his
• 1:21:04
  process, because he does how he records is very different.
• 1:21:07
  The first time that we went in there, I'm like, we we're not
• 1:21:10
  doing drums first. I don't drums last.
• 1:21:12
  Yeah, I'm like this. The whole process.
• 1:21:13
  It was it, it was like a massive.
• 1:21:15
  Do you like that, though? I'll it's.
• 1:21:21
  Depends, right? I've done records where you do
• 1:21:24
  drums 1st and then the final product is awesome, but for the
• 1:21:28
  Poison well record we did drums like in the middle towards the
• 1:21:30
  end and it was awesome. So it's like it depends the
• 1:21:33
  circumstances I guess. Well, it was that.
• 1:21:35
  Way. Because we wrote songs in the
• 1:21:39
  studio for the first time. We never did that.
• 1:21:41
  Yeah. Everything else was us in A
• 1:21:42
  room. We figuring it out like hours,
• 1:21:45
  banging their heads against the wall every record.
• 1:21:47
  Yeah, we would. I mean, not to say we wouldn't
• 1:21:50
  finish a song or two in the studio, but it was started at
• 1:21:53
  rehearsal, you know, Like I knew all my stuff going.
• 1:21:55
  In where this time we would sit in the control room and he'd be
• 1:21:58
  like, OK, I gotta go upstairs and I gotta learn my shit.
• 1:22:00
  And I'm like, it was just different.
• 1:22:03
  The whole now it it makes sense. Like I'm like when we do another
• 1:22:06
  record with him, my brain is knows how to go about and how he
• 1:22:10
  works and how the whole process is going to go by.
• 1:22:11
  The first time I was like, yeah, I.
• 1:22:14
  Was just like what is this but I?
• 1:22:16
  Like it because a. You don't have to over edit
• 1:22:19
  things. If it sounds good with the rest
• 1:22:22
  of the instruments are what they're going to be like on the
• 1:22:25
  record, then you don't have to fucking edit your drums.
• 1:22:28
  And then I also like it if you haven't finished vocals or if
• 1:22:32
  you've done vocals and stuff to the drum track and maybe a line
• 1:22:36
  has changed, but you've already tracked drums and your fucking
• 1:22:40
  Zeal Bell is all over on the Jeff's Banger lines like it is
• 1:22:44
  on the early shit. It's not there.
• 1:22:46
  So when you're tracking, you can not go Ding, Ding, no, no, 100%
• 1:22:51
  the way, he explained. It to me is that that whole
• 1:22:53
  process, and I was like, OK, that makes a lot.
• 1:22:55
  That makes a lot of sense because yeah, it was nice to go
• 1:22:57
  up there and I was hearing the final Ryan's guitars.
• 1:23:00
  It's also quite hard to play to that though.
• 1:23:01
  Because you are accustomed to how it's supposed to sound on
• 1:23:05
  record. So if you play a little bit
• 1:23:07
  sloppy, oh, it's super noticeable.
• 1:23:09
  If you like think oh fuck, I'm blowing it, yeah, it was
• 1:23:12
  definitely. Noticeable when we do stuff, but
• 1:23:14
  it didn't take us very long. I think they get the drums in
• 1:23:17
  four days. Nice.
• 1:23:19
  I would like to come back and do it in like 2, two and a half.
• 1:23:23
  Yeah, they will partly pat on the shoulder.
• 1:23:24
  I. Tell you it's better than crack
• 1:23:26
  it's great because we. First went in, I hadn't played
• 1:23:30
  hardcore music 10 years, so it was like a little bit of like my
• 1:23:34
  brain having to re not relearn but think about things
• 1:23:38
  differently in hardcore music. Well, you know what I'm talking.
• 1:23:41
  It sounds like you're a fucking I'm the fire starter.
• 1:23:44
  How do you get fellow kids? Oh, you know.
• 1:23:46
  What else we have to do, because this is now egregious to get
• 1:23:49
  some of these? OK, that's out of the way
• 1:23:52
  because. Sorry, it's.
• 1:23:54
  Fine, it's just I've done. It before and.
• 1:23:56
  Then when I cut clips there's just cans everywhere.
• 1:24:01
  Honestly, and I hate. But it's also your airline's
• 1:24:04
  fault. It's fine.
• 1:24:05
  I hate that we did this without the producer because like she'll
• 1:24:08
  go, hey, there's too many cans in shot and then she takes them
• 1:24:11
  out like immediately. Well, that's cool, because then
• 1:24:13
  this one is going to look. Like all the other ones?
• 1:24:15
  Yeah, a little different. I like.
• 1:24:17
  That you've had, you're having little.
• 1:24:18
  Problems. I'm having seen this for the
• 1:24:20
  record. Anyone this can stay on the
• 1:24:22
  podcast. We had a camera die without me
• 1:24:25
  noticing because Madison's not here today.
• 1:24:27
  And so that's why the first maybe fucking 40 minutes of the
• 1:24:31
  podcast is wide Cam only and I'm sorry, host and producer.
• 1:24:35
  And that's why I I. Gave her a job.
• 1:24:37
  I was like I need fucking help because you earlier when I was
• 1:24:41
  doing the intros, I did them all 10 minutes of fucking fucking
• 1:24:45
  around and I realized I hadn't pressed record.
• 1:24:47
  So that's why if you see me like looking under there, it's
• 1:24:50
  because if that dies or these dies, I'm fucked in 28 minutes.
• 1:24:53
  This camera is going to die, but I have a backup plugged into it
• 1:24:57
  now. This is all shit she does.
• 1:24:59
  She's essential. And that stays on the podcast.
• 1:25:02
  And Simon, you're also essential because what you would have done
• 1:25:04
  is edited the first part of the podcast.
• 1:25:07
  Cut out any fucking dog shit and it will look good.
• 1:25:10
  Anyway, I have a question. For me, love it, yeah.
• 1:25:14
  So while I was. Power washing the the brown
• 1:25:19
  streaks and the toilet bowl out there wasn't me with my pee.
• 1:25:22
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:25:23
  I was wondering. I.
• 1:25:25
  Don't know this the dude from Kubla Honeysuckle.
• 1:25:30
  What's his last name? Honeycutt.
• 1:25:32
  What is it? Matt Honeycutt.
• 1:25:35
  Honey. That one, that dude's awesome,
• 1:25:36
  but it's one of. My favorite guests you have.
• 1:25:38
  Did you ask him about his lyrics?
• 1:25:41
  I. Can't remember.
• 1:25:44
  We talked about Chipotle lot. That's what I remember.
• 1:25:47
  Why are you annoyed that I asked you about?
• 1:25:49
  No, not at all. I just I wonder.
• 1:25:51
  I was just like, you know, do you, do I ask everyone about
• 1:25:54
  them? Yeah.
• 1:25:54
  Do you ask? Every all singers.
• 1:25:56
  About lyrics OK, and this is no. Shade on that.
• 1:26:00
  Yeah. Like I love Kublai Khan, but I
• 1:26:02
  listen to Kublai Khan when I'm in the gym.
• 1:26:04
  I'm listening to Kublai Khan for aggression and I'm not really
• 1:26:09
  listening to what he says unless he's one of the silly mush calls
• 1:26:12
  and I'm like pretty funny. He's got great stage banter.
• 1:26:15
  He's he's. Great.
• 1:26:15
  He's amazing You. Personally, and I would say
• 1:26:18
  honestly, and I'm sorry to do it to you, but you and George from
• 1:26:22
  death heaven, your lyrics have come at the most important times
• 1:26:27
  of my life and matched the darkness that I was at.
• 1:26:32
  So I was really eager to get in on, you know, the words that
• 1:26:36
  have meant a lot. No, no.
• 1:26:37
  And I and I don't have a problem with.
• 1:26:38
  It I want you to think I do I I actually, I I really appreciate
• 1:26:41
  that thank you for saying that No, not at all yeah, I'll.
• 1:26:43
  Just there's no more of them. I I.
• 1:26:45
  Just wanted to bring. Up.
• 1:26:46
  No, that's all right. Honeysuckle.
• 1:26:48
  Because he's the best. He's the best.
• 1:26:50
  There's no more there's. No more lyric things please.
• 1:26:53
  It's not at all. Like a thing I'm not.
• 1:26:55
  No, it's fine. Yeah.
• 1:26:56
  No, it's just keep. Asking me for all my lyrics bro
• 1:26:58
  no. Because you I don't know the
• 1:27:00
  answer. I had a.
• 1:27:02
  Couple. Yeah, you did.
• 1:27:03
  I think maybe. Maybe George deaf heaven you,
• 1:27:08
  maybe Ishan from Emperor. I had some.
• 1:27:12
  Was this about Wizards or. But yeah, no, not really.
• 1:27:17
  I don't think so. It basically means I really like
• 1:27:20
  your. I get that from what you're.
• 1:27:22
  Saying yeah if I if I dig. Deep it's because I really like
• 1:27:25
  your band and luckily most people watching also do and
• 1:27:28
  maybe they'll be like you didn't ask about this line.
• 1:27:32
  Why did you ask him about the zeal bell?
• 1:27:34
  No, that's that's the zeal bells eclipse Simon.
• 1:27:37
  But I'm really annoyed that it might be wide angle only.
• 1:27:39
  Also too, can you put? The bell every.
• 1:27:42
  Once in a while, and so it used to be I.
• 1:27:45
  Had a zeal bell was the censoring for swearing on here,
• 1:27:50
  but I can put it in Simon can pop it in in a couple of places.
• 1:27:53
  Do you? Are you bleeping out all the?
• 1:27:58
  I used to do it. On Instagram because I thought
• 1:28:02
  they made it, made the algorithm squish it, but it doesn't.
• 1:28:06
  The word does, but the actual voice doesn't.
• 1:28:09
  But the only one I do bleep out is See you next Tuesday.
• 1:28:13
  Like the band or the word? The word.
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  The word. OK, there's.
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• 1:28:20
  You know the CUNT. You didn't know that.
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  See you next. Tuesday No see you NT Oh, OK.
• 1:28:30
  I thought that was a common. Thing, that's what that meant.
• 1:28:32
  Man's named after. Damn I feel that shit.
• 1:28:34
  Took me way. Too long to figure out what the
• 1:28:36
  fuck you're talking about. Yeah.
• 1:28:37
  Even after you said see you next Tuesday, I still.
• 1:28:40
  Yeah. OK, So that word is.
• 1:28:42
  Technically hate speech. Got it.
• 1:28:43
  I don't even get it Break it down.
• 1:28:45
  I'm. I'm I'm dumb what?
• 1:28:46
  What is CU next to CUNTCUNT? It's a.
• 1:28:52
  It's spelled spelled. That makes a word.
• 1:28:55
  Yeah, OK. It makes a word.
• 1:28:56
  So what? So that?
• 1:28:59
  That word. Guy.
• 1:29:00
  Is hate speech and I've had, because I'm from the UK, I say
• 1:29:04
  it all the time, something hateful about that especially.
• 1:29:07
  Being a British man, yeah, but in the in the eyes of.
• 1:29:10
  The algorithm it is derogatory word against women.
• 1:29:14
  So I I did 1 episode with N lane Australians.
• 1:29:17
  I'm British yeah probably dropped 800 like Django levels
• 1:29:21
  of the not that word but you know what I mean exactly.
• 1:29:25
  I know what you mean the same. Like the same amount reaction
• 1:29:28
  to. It Yeah, and I.
• 1:29:30
  Got it? Wasn't.
• 1:29:31
  Any no one said anything but the algorithm was like this has been
• 1:29:34
  flagged for hate speech. I love what did you say the in
• 1:29:36
  the eye of the. Algorithm.
• 1:29:38
  The eye of the algorithm sounds like a.
• 1:29:39
  Fucking new Rush song take take. That lyric baby plot.
• 1:29:42
  Twist It wasn't a. Zeal Bell?
• 1:29:44
  It was an LP. Ice Bell?
• 1:29:46
  No way. Yeah.
• 1:29:48
  Is that the? Truth.
• 1:29:49
  Yes. I bought a Zeal.
• 1:29:51
  Bell because. Of you bro, that's why I said
• 1:29:54
  plot. Twist that's.
• 1:29:55
  That's killing everything. Like I've been lying.
• 1:29:57
  Bro what? Happened to trembling level.
• 1:30:00
  I think we we love I. Love that song.
• 1:30:02
  I think we all love that song. Just to make it very clear, it's
• 1:30:06
  not on the, it's not, not on the record because we hate it.
• 1:30:09
  But it had been out for a whole year and we kind of thought,
• 1:30:14
  well, it's already been out. It's it's its own thing.
• 1:30:17
  We released a vinyl with it that it it.
• 1:30:22
  Might be cool to just. Have an extra song.
• 1:30:24
  We wanted to make sure our record was lean.
• 1:30:27
  Lean and mean. We we had a certain amount of
• 1:30:30
  time, 40 minutes, 42. It's like. 3rd Is it 38?
• 1:30:33
  Minutes. Well, only because of the secret
• 1:30:35
  song, but 3 minutes. Of that is silence.
• 1:30:38
  Right, so the old school secret song.
• 1:30:41
  Yeah. Yeah, which is some also
• 1:30:43
  there's. Some fucking mad aspects people.
• 1:30:46
  People are like, I don't give a fuck how good the song is.
• 1:30:49
  I'm not going to wait 3 minutes but I thought you could just
• 1:30:51
  like skip that bitch. People are just so lazy.
• 1:30:56
  But maybe they is it there's. No way that laziness can like
• 1:30:59
  that type of laziness. Could it just be that they don't
• 1:31:02
  know that you can if you don't know?
• 1:31:05
  That you can move. You can't do that in your car
• 1:31:08
  like I. Can't faster in your car and I
• 1:31:10
  think it's a playlist. Thing I think people.
• 1:31:12
  But I've heard that too. I I have.
• 1:31:13
  A playlist. And then there's this.
• 1:31:15
  Oh. I'm sorry if you're a person
• 1:31:17
  that. Just listens to playlist.
• 1:31:18
  Fuck you. Yeah, but it is it is an old.
• 1:31:21
  Thing like I remember tool on fucking.
• 1:31:24
  Is it undertow? What's that noise enema at the
• 1:31:27
  end? Of enema No at the end of
• 1:31:29
  whatever the. Record sober is on.
• 1:31:31
  Yeah, it's Undertowe. Oh, is it under?
• 1:31:33
  There's a. The fucking crazy.
• 1:31:35
  Secret song? Is that the one with the UFO?
• 1:31:37
  Oh, there's one. On there's one on Lateralus.
• 1:31:40
  As well then. Is it?
• 1:31:42
  Yeah, I know that. I don't know the undertow.
• 1:31:43
  Wants the really scary. One yes yeah.
• 1:31:46
  And it comes way later than 3. Fucking.
• 1:31:48
  Minutes. Yeah, yeah, it might not.
• 1:31:51
  I'm lying. I'm just saying whatever the
• 1:31:53
  fuck. Nirvana to the nameless endless.
• 1:31:54
  On Never mind yeah, it's like it used to be a thing, like a long
• 1:31:59
  it just. I don't know as fuck it.
• 1:32:00
  Seems like a cool thing to do. Like that secret song just
• 1:32:08
  didn't make sense in the full track listing, so it was a nice
• 1:32:12
  little thing. Like the record ends and you
• 1:32:14
  don't have to listen to it, but it's a we definitely wanted it
• 1:32:17
  on There Is a Bang. Song I think people are annoyed
• 1:32:19
  that. It's good.
• 1:32:20
  I love that song. It's called Mercedes.
• 1:32:22
  Yes. Yeah, and to dig to find that,
• 1:32:25
  Yeah. So it's called Mercedes My.
• 1:32:27
  Wife's name is Sadie, but her mother was going to call her
• 1:32:30
  Mercedes. It's about her.
• 1:32:32
  It's about her. Yeah.
• 1:32:33
  Cute. It's awesome.
• 1:32:34
  It's I fucking. Love it.
• 1:32:36
  Stray had a secret. Track but we only ended up
• 1:32:40
  putting on the vinyl when I wanted it to be on the end of
• 1:32:42
  the song, but I got vetoed and it's like a fucking jazz song so
• 1:32:46
  I get it, but I want to get in like a dinner's escape plan
• 1:32:49
  where I was like the end of the heaviest song.
• 1:32:52
  We're going to this jazz section.
• 1:32:53
  Everyone was on board fucking tracked it and then they pussy
• 1:32:56
  now and if you put it at the end of the track then.
• 1:32:58
  People can skip, but cousin just go right?
• 1:33:01
  Like exactly. But it didn't.
• 1:33:02
  It didn't happen. But used to be back in the day,
• 1:33:04
  remember there was a few, I can't remember any that were
• 1:33:06
  like icon and maybe death tones. Someone had one where you you
• 1:33:11
  skipped backwards. Queens did that track.
• 1:33:13
  Was it Queens? Of Stone Age Yeah song.
• 1:33:15
  True. The deaf.
• 1:33:15
  There's like a track. Zero.
• 1:33:17
  There's a track 0. Before the the.
• 1:33:19
  Fucking yeah you can go. You press back and you get to a
• 1:33:24
  track 0. Only works on CDs.
• 1:33:26
  I didn't know that it was like tail.
• 1:33:28
  End of the. CD era, new way to do a secret
• 1:33:31
  track. Yeah, I remember back.
• 1:33:32
  That's awesome. What's?
• 1:33:34
  There's no equivalent. Now We're going to figure it
• 1:33:36
  out. You know what LP #7 you.
• 1:33:38
  Know we'll figure it out. I'll tell you.
• 1:33:40
  Because they'll forget. There is an equivalent now, but
• 1:33:43
  it can only be done on vinyl, which is you put the secret
• 1:33:48
  track on the middle part of the vinyl so it never actually gets
• 1:33:54
  there unless you fucking interesting.
• 1:33:56
  That's cool, but. It doesn't work.
• 1:33:58
  That it doesn't like mine doesn't go that deep, it doesn't
• 1:34:01
  touch the metal part. I don't know if it's just.
• 1:34:04
  Maybe it's just before it and but you leave a big gap because
• 1:34:09
  there is. I've seen that before it.
• 1:34:11
  Does sit there and bobble and shit, so you're right there.
• 1:34:14
  You probably could do that. What's up?
• 1:34:17
  Take it next. Record is.
• 1:34:19
  Yours. What is it?
• 1:34:20
  The eye of the fucking. The eye of the algorithm.
• 1:34:22
  The eye of the. Algorithm, please use it.
• 1:34:25
  That would fucking make my life 17 years.
• 1:34:27
  It's a long time to get fucking rusty.
• 1:34:30
  Yes. As to genre defining musicians,
• 1:34:34
  was it difficult to pick up where you left off proficiency
• 1:34:37
  wise? I have this written.
• 1:34:39
  You kind of alluded to it, but if you want to get more specific
• 1:34:42
  about it, like obviously you've mentioned a couple of times I
• 1:34:46
  found out I could sing again. You said I haven't played
• 1:34:49
  hardcore style drumming in a while.
• 1:34:51
  Difficult. I wouldn't say difficult.
• 1:34:53
  It was more just thinking differently, right?
• 1:34:57
  So I've been playing like pop, electronic, pop music, rock
• 1:35:00
  music. I was doing all the Greg
• 1:35:02
  Pichardo stuff, which was kind of like all over the place.
• 1:35:04
  Oh, you did Black Queen, didn't you?
• 1:35:06
  No. Why do I think you've done all
• 1:35:08
  these things I. Don't know.
• 1:35:10
  I mean, I was. Did track some stuff for them.
• 1:35:12
  I don't know if it got chopped up and used because it's
• 1:35:15
  electronic stuff. Oh, that counts.
• 1:35:16
  I was wrong. Yeah.
• 1:35:17
  Yeah. So.
• 1:35:19
  So my brain was just thinking differently and then, you know,
• 1:35:22
  going to Will's and then being I'd be like, hey, let's try
• 1:35:25
  this. And it just he'd be like, well,
• 1:35:26
  no, let's do this. And then he would do it and I'd
• 1:35:28
  be like, OK, that makes more sense.
• 1:35:31
  You know, like kick following the riff.
• 1:35:33
  Will loves that, but he that's he.
• 1:35:34
  He loves it and I'm like I. Want to kind of.
• 1:35:36
  I want you Want to break You want me?
• 1:35:38
  Yeah, I want to. Break away and he's and he.
• 1:35:40
  Sometimes it's a I'll give you this, but we, you know, you're
• 1:35:43
  negotiating that stuff. That was part of it.
• 1:35:46
  The other thing was just I hadn't played double kick in
• 1:35:48
  like 15. I was gonna say, but you, you,
• 1:35:50
  you gave Tom James Payne shout out to James Payne.
• 1:35:53
  I did. He's a beast.
• 1:35:56
  If you ever want to understand all the mechanics and what's
• 1:35:58
  happening, he's the guy. You know what he's like I should
• 1:36:01
  be getting. Commission, because I'll say 5%
• 1:36:05
  you'd said to Tom. I need someone.
• 1:36:06
  Help when you get my feet back in shape and I was like, this is
• 1:36:09
  your guy. James Payne plays in a death
• 1:36:11
  metal band game. He's from the Moat, but he's
• 1:36:14
  unbelievable. Does like Nile covers and stuff
• 1:36:17
  and then Kevin Kane, not really the same thing.
• 1:36:21
  He was like, I want to top my feet up and he came to me and I
• 1:36:23
  was like, but you don't need me. My feet aren't good.
• 1:36:27
  You want this guy should be on Commission.
• 1:36:29
  You said you should be like, oh, James, but I saw.
• 1:36:31
  I saw you guys at Brooklyn. Bowl and you're fucking killing
• 1:36:34
  it. It was it's thank you, but.
• 1:36:36
  It's better now because I've been continuing to work on it
• 1:36:39
  and shit like that. It's like learning ankle
• 1:36:40
  technique and then getting into the whole swivel thing.
• 1:36:42
  Yeah. But yeah, I learned a ton from
• 1:36:45
  him of like, cuz this leg, left leg couldn't do anything.
• 1:36:48
  It was like a club. They would just go and that was
• 1:36:50
  it. And then like doing the whole
• 1:36:52
  springs off the pedal. Shit, yeah, he started that just
• 1:36:54
  to get the. Motion going and I would do it
• 1:36:56
  with my right leg too because when we started again I started
• 1:36:58
  getting a weird pain like the thigh, you know where your hip
• 1:37:02
  flexor Yeah and I was using. Too, I was.
• 1:37:04
  Doing too much caveman shit. That's me, I'm doing the same.
• 1:37:07
  Thing do you get a yeah pain? Not anymore.
• 1:37:10
  Because I. I actually went to because I
• 1:37:12
  didn't want to do double kick. I went to Matt Goska from
• 1:37:15
  animals. He's a he's a an encyclopedia.
• 1:37:17
  Of everything awesome drum wise. Straighten me up.
• 1:37:20
  Yeah. Well, what about vocals?
• 1:37:22
  What was this moment where you were like I could sing again?
• 1:37:25
  Well, I mean that was in. That so that was what, 2020 when
• 1:37:28
  we did that and then we started seriously talking about doing a
• 1:37:32
  record and I was like, all this scheming has got me drunk.
• 1:37:38
  I got I got a workload. Now I was like fuck, I got to.
• 1:37:41
  Fucking scream again and sing again.
• 1:37:44
  And I hadn't been like screaming regularly.
• 1:37:46
  I mean, I know that's a thing you do now, and I do do that at
• 1:37:51
  home. It wasn't a thing before.
• 1:37:54
  I would just like go on tour if we were on tour all of the time.
• 1:37:57
  So I my voice was always ready for it.
• 1:38:00
  So finally when I had to do it for extended periods of time,
• 1:38:06
  like when we do these tours, I was like, oh shit, you know,
• 1:38:08
  like something's changed. I had like a rhinoplast.
• 1:38:13
  I had a really crooked nose and I felt like that gave me more
• 1:38:18
  room, so I had to get used to that as well.
• 1:38:20
  It was a different feeling than it used to be.
• 1:38:22
  I did go to a bunch of people. I took.
• 1:38:25
  I took some lessons from Melissa Cross for a little bit.
• 1:38:28
  David Benitez at Extreme Vocal Institute.
• 1:38:31
  Mark, I've seen that guy's video.
• 1:38:33
  Yeah. Mark from Cardivox.
• 1:38:35
  Cardivox Academy. I just like, I if anything, it
• 1:38:39
  made me more interested in understanding why my voice work
• 1:38:44
  the way it did. Because back in the day, I
• 1:38:46
  didn't pay it, I just did it. It wasn't like a thing.
• 1:38:48
  I was interested in the mechanics of it and now that's
• 1:38:52
  part of my journey. Of.
• 1:38:55
  Vocals, you know, like I'm just trying to like, even we go like
• 1:38:59
  we're on towards somebody, a singer.
• 1:39:00
  I'm like, oh, what are you doing?
• 1:39:02
  What the fuck you do you know? They're like, oh.
• 1:39:04
  I don't do shit. I gargle fucking piss and I
• 1:39:06
  don't warm up and I'm like, fuck, I gotta do all this.
• 1:39:09
  There's not many of those left. I'm like many nebulizing,
• 1:39:12
  steaming. Vocal warmups multiple times the
• 1:39:15
  vocal rests. You doing vocal rest?
• 1:39:17
  Yeah. Thanks for coming on the.
• 1:39:18
  Podcast. I appreciate it.
• 1:39:19
  Everything. I mean, we haven't started.
• 1:39:21
  Tour yet? So once I'm on tour this two
• 1:39:24
  days in, Yeah fucking. Kind of sleep trying to do.
• 1:39:27
  As much as I can. I mean, obviously I'm older, so
• 1:39:29
  it doesn't come. Does it feel like it comes with
• 1:39:33
  a kid as easy? Yeah.
• 1:39:34
  Did you change your register? Did you?
• 1:39:36
  Have to change it I I didn't want I.
• 1:39:39
  Didn't act. I didn't do it on purpose, but I
• 1:39:41
  think it has been changing. I remember you come before you.
• 1:39:44
  My voice is a lot lower than it had been and.
• 1:39:51
  Though I do think I can. Hit.
• 1:39:55
  Those higher. Don't.
• 1:39:57
  It's just it's a different location.
• 1:39:59
  It's a fucking muscle that's moving, doing scales, basically
• 1:40:03
  going back to school. I love it.
• 1:40:05
  I think it's great. Like I, I, I want to improve.
• 1:40:08
  I want to be the best I can. I want to sound fucking brutal,
• 1:40:11
  but I want to sound as beautiful as I possibly can.
• 1:40:15
  Yeah, I'm, I'm just working at it.
• 1:40:16
  I think it's, it's great that I have on my downtime.
• 1:40:21
  I have something to focus on that I can see improvements on.
• 1:40:28
  So my free time now feels like it's being spent on important
• 1:40:32
  stuff. Whereas before, you know, I'd
• 1:40:35
  finish work or do whatever I got to do and I'd be like, I'm going
• 1:40:38
  to play fucking video games, which I still do.
• 1:40:41
  I was going to see how. Your gamer?
• 1:40:43
  I fucking love playing video games.
• 1:40:45
  But now I find myself just naturally wanting to put time
• 1:40:50
  into my vocals because it's rewarding.
• 1:40:53
  Like, you know, to to see improvements.
• 1:40:56
  Like Chris rolled up and I was like, yo fucking then, then,
• 1:40:59
  then, then we all sound. Then we all sound good.
• 1:41:02
  Then we all sound. Good.
• 1:41:03
  And it's it's. Motivate, I was telling him, and
• 1:41:05
  I was like, it's fucking motivating for me to because we
• 1:41:09
  were both in the same spot. We were like, man, we have a lot
• 1:41:11
  of work to do. And when he rolled up, I was
• 1:41:15
  like, step my fucking shit up too, because he you can see all
• 1:41:19
  that. Effort.
• 1:41:20
  That he put into it, and I know that he don't.
• 1:41:23
  You know, you don't probably don't feel like you're there,
• 1:41:26
  but that's the whole point, right?
• 1:41:28
  Once you get to the top of that fucking mountain, where else are
• 1:41:30
  you going to go? Kind of becomes your baseline.
• 1:41:32
  Then you keep looking. At the next thing you got to go
• 1:41:34
  to now I'm like, oh, I got to get this swivel territory.
• 1:41:37
  You know, that's the that's kind of where I'm at now.
• 1:41:39
  You think you needed the time off?
• 1:41:42
  In order to look at it this seriously, maybe, but.
• 1:41:48
  I. Think you're needed it to miss?
• 1:41:49
  It Yeah, I. Mean the craft.
• 1:41:52
  The craft, Yeah. Yeah, because maybe it came
• 1:41:56
  pretty easy back then would be we're always conditioned we
• 1:41:59
  toward what, 10 months out of the year toward the fuck ton.
• 1:42:01
  Yeah, Yeah. So like.
• 1:42:02
  There was never a point. Where like you'd feel like you
• 1:42:05
  were out of practice or you spent too much time eating shit
• 1:42:08
  and now you have to like come back from it.
• 1:42:10
  If anything, it's a positive, I think.
• 1:42:13
  You know, I guess it could be both, right?
• 1:42:16
  Just depending on who you're talking to.
• 1:42:17
  Some people could be like these old fucks.
• 1:42:20
  No, no, no. You know what?
• 1:42:21
  I. Think it's really cool that a
• 1:42:24
  band comes back and is more dedicated in the craft work of
• 1:42:30
  it than they were before, because a lot of guys get back
• 1:42:33
  together and they do it for it's been 10 years.
• 1:42:37
  It's a paycheck. Like, oh, the reunion shit.
• 1:42:39
  Then you go see him and it's like, you guys don't give a
• 1:42:42
  fuck. Yeah, that you can see they
• 1:42:44
  don't give a fuck and you guys look like you give a fuck.
• 1:42:47
  And now I'm hearing that, you know, you do.
• 1:42:50
  It takes a lot of time to get back in shape for that shit.
• 1:42:53
  I think that was always done. It kind of part of.
• 1:42:55
  The band's DNA, as we were kind of coming up, we were like, how
• 1:42:57
  do we get better? You know, I remember listening
• 1:42:59
  to Opposite of December, just being bummed on my playing and
• 1:43:02
  being like, next time we do this, it has to be better.
• 1:43:05
  And then we did Tear and I'm like, it's got to be better and
• 1:43:07
  it's got to be better. It wasn't until Tropic Rot that
• 1:43:09
  I'm like, I feel really good about this.
• 1:43:12
  Yeah. And now it's like, you know,
• 1:43:15
  going through the whole playing with other people and coming
• 1:43:18
  back together and then the learning curve I was telling you
• 1:43:20
  about now it's like, OK, I see kind of like we're peace, peace
• 1:43:25
  and places where we came together.
• 1:43:27
  Like, how do I now? How do I take that?
• 1:43:29
  What's the next? What's the next thing from that
• 1:43:32
  to move up? Yeah, it's all the little, the
• 1:43:34
  little. Wins, yeah, like, and that's
• 1:43:37
  happening so like for me, any any little win I get like gives
• 1:43:42
  me like that fucking motivation. Keep going, Keep going.
• 1:43:45
  Yeah, like. I've stopped looking at like
• 1:43:49
  the. Long game, like I spent my whole
• 1:43:51
  life worrying about so far in the future that like, it was
• 1:43:55
  never possible to accomplish anything because you're like,
• 1:43:58
  you're never going to do that if you're thinking about miles and
• 1:44:00
  miles of problematic things. So it's like, totally
• 1:44:03
  demotivating, yeah. So like now I'm just like yo.
• 1:44:05
  Little winds, like something that I've been working on and it
• 1:44:08
  works a little bit. I'm like, cool, perfect, keep,
• 1:44:11
  keep pushing on that. And I think in general in life,
• 1:44:14
  right, like, I mean, I think like if you just focus on like
• 1:44:17
  all the little improvements you're making, like you're gonna
• 1:44:19
  get to that ultimate goal. It's just you got to have
• 1:44:22
  patience to to get there. Yeah, it bums me out that you.
• 1:44:26
  Are bummed out about you're playing on opposite of December?
• 1:44:29
  No, no, it's not that. I'm bummed that it's.
• 1:44:31
  Just, you know, I have get a little psych psychology.
• 1:44:36
  I have the the wound within myself of never feeling good
• 1:44:39
  enough. So that's the thing that like
• 1:44:41
  Prostor syndrome. No, it's a.
• 1:44:46
  It's more of a thing of like feeling OK and but like, you're
• 1:44:52
  like, this is cool and I like this, but that little, that
• 1:44:56
  little nagging thing. You're a perfectionist.
• 1:44:58
  You're never going to be. Happy with something you did
• 1:45:00
  when you were fucking 18 because you're trying to be perfect now,
• 1:45:02
  so of course that guy over there wasn't going to fucking do it.
• 1:45:05
  If you're still trying to find it here.
• 1:45:06
  Good therapist? Yeah.
• 1:45:07
  Like fucking Tony Soprano. Also to the idea of.
• 1:45:10
  Perfection, like what's perfection, right?
• 1:45:12
  Is every, is it everything snapped to a grid perfectly in
• 1:45:14
  tune? Or is it like the crazy moment
• 1:45:17
  that you capture? It's all subjective, right?
• 1:45:19
  Well, I want you to know that. Those.
• 1:45:24
  Records. Were pivotal in me starting a
• 1:45:29
  metal core band back then and my drumming was based on your
• 1:45:34
  drumming and for me at the time respect that was like my that
• 1:45:38
  was my fucking pinnacle is like I want to sound like that
• 1:45:41
  appreciate it I put fucking zeal bells all over everything
• 1:45:43
  fucking yeah you're a beast I mean not not because.
• 1:45:46
  Of me, but because of your own? Because of your own hard work?
• 1:45:49
  No, but technically kind of because of you.
• 1:45:52
  And wanted to be able to do those.
• 1:45:54
  Things the little. Fucking it.
• 1:45:55
  Hit the zeal belt. Hit the ice.
• 1:45:57
  Belt out of time Are you a? Veteran drummer because of.
• 1:46:01
  My lyrics or no, but I'm just kidding.
• 1:46:04
  I'm definitely fucking you want to get really fucking dark?
• 1:46:09
  You know there's a there's a case there for mine.
• 1:46:12
  I made it out with some shit without your lyrics.
• 1:46:15
  I was listening to that. I never listened to lyrics, but
• 1:46:17
  I was listening to yours. I remember after a particularly
• 1:46:20
  bad breakup. Ah fuck, she did not love me.
• 1:46:23
  I was on the train on the way back listening to Tear.
• 1:46:26
  From the red. I remember I was on the train
• 1:46:29
  from Newbury to Reading. I remember exactly where I was
• 1:46:31
  and I had two CD's with me. One was Tear from the Red and
• 1:46:35
  one was Kill Switch which kills was a chair.
• 1:46:37
  It was fucking live. Just previous, yeah.
• 1:46:41
  That's a. Banger I only really.
• 1:46:43
  Banger I only really like. The 1st 2 kill switch records.
• 1:46:46
  I'm that guy, I'm that guy. I'm a Howard just sweetheart.
• 1:46:50
  Howard just sweetheart. There's a couple Howard song.
• 1:46:52
  Oh, there's there. Hard there is.
• 1:46:54
  Definitely. I mean Jing Jing.
• 1:46:58
  Whatever song that is, is it Rosa?
• 1:47:01
  Sharon. I have Rosa.
• 1:47:02
  Sharon. I.
• 1:47:04
  Like you like. Whatever song that is, I.
• 1:47:06
  Don't know the name of the song, feel like maybe?
• 1:47:08
  I. Do put that first Howard record
• 1:47:11
  in there then. Maybe this three are like a lava
• 1:47:14
  just breathing. I can't remember anyway.
• 1:47:19
  What the fuck are we talking about?
• 1:47:20
  I can't. I don't.
• 1:47:21
  Know it doesn't matter, it was on to.
• 1:47:22
  Another thing. Anyway, it doesn't matter.
• 1:47:26
  Oh, you were on the fucking train with two.
• 1:47:27
  CDs, Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 1:47:28
  And it was, it was. No.
• 1:47:30
  It was a tear from the red day. I was crying.
• 1:47:34
  Leave it in time. This is like fuck this.
• 1:47:37
  Is like fucking. It must be 2005.
• 1:47:41
  Maybe when that happened. Yeah, maybe 2004.
• 1:47:45
  Shit, 2004 it was. Anyway, enough about me crying
• 1:47:48
  on a train on the new burrito. Really talk to talk to therapist
• 1:47:52
  Jeff. I'm.
• 1:47:53
  Not that guy anymore. I'm fine now.
• 1:47:55
  He's good. I'm fine now, OK?
• 1:47:58
  I'm not a therapist. He could be.
• 1:48:01
  We're we're nearly done anyway. We're nearly done.
• 1:48:04
  We're nearly done. The music industry is no I want
• 1:48:07
  to do what fucking. We want to do.
• 1:48:12
  Diners driving to Dives? What's that do His name?
• 1:48:14
  Guys, remember when? Rogan's trying to get him.
• 1:48:17
  Off and he's like this is awesome we're going to keep
• 1:48:19
  going. I want to do that.
• 1:48:20
  You want to keep going 3 fucking hours I get I need to back.
• 1:48:24
  Shit up, but I'll do it if you want.
• 1:48:26
  This is fun fucking movie. It's great.
• 1:48:28
  Fun and I. Need to, I need more people on
• 1:48:30
  the Patreon so I can buy the fucking cards so I don't have to
• 1:48:33
  double back stuff up, OK? Music industry is completely
• 1:48:36
  different right now, obviously. Yeah.
• 1:48:38
  What's better and what's worse versus reality?
• 1:48:43
  2000s, less gatekeepers. I mean, we go.
• 1:48:45
  Anytime we have a tour, we release something.
• 1:48:48
  It's like direct, you know, direct on Instagram and Facebook
• 1:48:51
  and all that sort of stuff. You don't need the major label
• 1:48:53
  machine to put you out there because you have the direct
• 1:48:57
  window to people that like your band.
• 1:48:59
  That's one big thing. Yeah, I think I.
• 1:49:02
  Don't know. Enough about what was happening.
• 1:49:06
  Record. Label wise, back in the day to.
• 1:49:08
  Compare it to now, it always felt like when we were, why are
• 1:49:14
  you looking over there? I just said I'm going to
• 1:49:15
  producer. I have.
• 1:49:16
  To take fucking well, you're gonna look down.
• 1:49:18
  I I I'm glad that you explained why you.
• 1:49:21
  I thought it was like moving around too much.
• 1:49:22
  No, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry.
• 1:49:24
  No. No, you're a producer today.
• 1:49:25
  It's struggling. Bro.
• 1:49:27
  But yeah, like struggling. Yeah, I don't remember.
• 1:49:31
  Like I remember being on like a major label and having like same
• 1:49:33
  stupid major label shit like oh fucking what's a single?
• 1:49:37
  And you know, don't we don't know what anything.
• 1:49:40
  Means Tom Williams takes care. Of a lot of the stuff for us
• 1:49:45
  that is that. Sorry.
• 1:49:50
  So which is great because then we can focus on just being in
• 1:49:54
  our band and writing music. So shielding us from having to
• 1:49:58
  deal with all that fucking bullshit, I I think is great
• 1:50:00
  because you end up focusing on it so much that.
• 1:50:04
  Yeah, it's hard to fucking juggle all that shit, right?
• 1:50:07
  So like for me, I'm grateful that I don't have to fucking
• 1:50:12
  think about it or have an answer to this question because I got
• 1:50:16
  better people to to deal with it.
• 1:50:18
  So not not really indicative. Of the era we're in, but more
• 1:50:22
  how the band is structured is better now because you don't
• 1:50:25
  have to deal with shit. Well, yeah, just because.
• 1:50:28
  We, I I never really understood it anyway.
• 1:50:31
  You know, it was more just like, disappointment after
• 1:50:34
  disappointment, right? Like, yeah, even with, like,
• 1:50:36
  earlier record labels where you're like, we're friends and
• 1:50:40
  then you're like, oh, you've been fucking me.
• 1:50:42
  Yeah. For a long time.
• 1:50:44
  So yeah, you feel like there was more of that.
• 1:50:46
  Then I think it was a lot easier to do that, yeah.
• 1:50:49
  And you? Couldn't get completely fucking
• 1:50:52
  just blogged publicly if you fucked up.
• 1:50:56
  Yeah, like you would have to go to Kerang and be like, hey, this
• 1:51:00
  is happening now you make a post and now it's.
• 1:51:03
  Like everywhere, yeah. Yeah, it's a good thing.
• 1:51:05
  Yeah, we've dealt with that a lot.
• 1:51:07
  I mean, I would say. Like, for the entirety of our
• 1:51:10
  career, we're pretty fucked, yeah.
• 1:51:13
  A lot of the times we're just like, weird decisions made and
• 1:51:15
  stuff. Yeah.
• 1:51:16
  By labels and managers. Well, no labels managers, yeah,
• 1:51:19
  and even. Us to me, we would make.
• 1:51:21
  We would. Make weird decisions.
• 1:51:22
  We're the ones I mean. Ultimately, we're the.
• 1:51:24
  Ones. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:51:26
  Well, ultimately. We're the ones are who that was
• 1:51:29
  like, remember back in the day, like you and I would sit down
• 1:51:32
  and we'd be like, we're gonna look at the money.
• 1:51:35
  Yeah, 'cause we haven't been looking at the money.
• 1:51:37
  And not that there was a problem with the money, but we would
• 1:51:40
  have a problem because. We didn't know about.
• 1:51:44
  The money So something must be going on with the money, so
• 1:51:51
  getting involved in the. Business of our band.
• 1:51:54
  Was something that became important, but now that we're
• 1:52:00
  still. Involved in the business of our
• 1:52:01
  band. But it's not like taking up so
• 1:52:04
  much of our time that we can't just concentrate on being
• 1:52:08
  someone you can trust with it. Yeah.
• 1:52:10
  Being the best dudes and poisoned well.
• 1:52:12
  And fucking writing a record and stuff.
• 1:52:14
  So one of the advices during. That period of time that my dad
• 1:52:17
  gave me, it was like nobody's going to care about your money
• 1:52:20
  and your band and your business like you will like you guys need
• 1:52:23
  to actually pay attention to what's going on.
• 1:52:26
  That's always stuck with me. And at one point we had a
• 1:52:28
  business manager. Then we didn't have a business
• 1:52:30
  manager. Then we started taking over
• 1:52:32
  stuff. We could see where stuff was
• 1:52:33
  going. So it made more sense of like,
• 1:52:36
  oh, that's why we don't have any money because we did this dumb
• 1:52:38
  thing here, We did this dumb thing there.
• 1:52:40
  We should have did this when we did that now budgets, blah,
• 1:52:43
  blah, blah, blah, just shit like that.
• 1:52:45
  I hear that because I'm the. Same.
• 1:52:48
  I'm OK with like retrospectively looking at something and being
• 1:52:53
  like, oh, I can see where I fucked up right here.
• 1:52:56
  But when I do that and someone else fucked up, fucking scorched
• 1:52:59
  up, yeah, it's like too much as well.
• 1:53:02
  Yeah, 1. 100 percent 100. Percent.
• 1:53:04
  So, you know, we, especially him and I are very, very much
• 1:53:07
  involved with making sure that, you know, financially we do
• 1:53:10
  smart things and we're not frivolous and all that sort of
• 1:53:13
  stuff, you know. Yeah, I like to.
• 1:53:16
  Know where the? $2.00 that were spent went he
• 1:53:19
  goes a little Chris he. Goes, he goes a little overboard
• 1:53:22
  sometimes. I don't care about the $2.00,
• 1:53:23
  but I do care about the, you know, $2000.
• 1:53:26
  You know, well, in my mind, I'm going well if.
• 1:53:28
  We let these two dollar slides, how many other $2.00 have slides
• 1:53:31
  and those two? Dollars turn into a lot of.
• 1:53:33
  Cash which is which is logically.
• 1:53:35
  Logically, it makes a lot of sense.
• 1:53:36
  Yes, yes, OK. But yeah, we.
• 1:53:39
  We read it. We.
• 1:53:39
  Run a tight ship. Yeah, so does that, does that
• 1:53:41
  answer. That question, I mean, it's a
• 1:53:43
  completely different answer, but it was.
• 1:53:44
  Good. OK, I liked it.
• 1:53:46
  Is there anything you don't like about being back in this era?
• 1:53:50
  Feels like to me, in my head this is like Encino man, but
• 1:53:53
  medical man. I don't like being old and
• 1:53:56
  trying to. Play music, like aggressive
• 1:53:59
  music as an old man, because I have to do so much more now than
• 1:54:02
  I did when I was younger about warming up and stretching and
• 1:54:05
  all this stuff and eating. And if you don't need it a
• 1:54:07
  certain time and all the fucking things that you know as being a
• 1:54:10
  drummer, you know, fuck it. That's not the era, though.
• 1:54:13
  That's just getting old, yeah. I mean, I like all that stuff.
• 1:54:15
  Because it kind of gives me motivation to to to do that.
• 1:54:19
  Sorry, not that like just be logo, whatever bro, whatever.
• 1:54:21
  No, everybody has their different.
• 1:54:23
  Take. It's just like it's, it forces
• 1:54:25
  me. To have to do that stuff, I
• 1:54:26
  think that I wouldn't let me be a therapist for a second.
• 1:54:29
  I feel like you have needed more things to make you feel like
• 1:54:36
  you're in a band. Like even down to earlier on in
• 1:54:39
  this podcast where you talked about how you saw the other guys
• 1:54:42
  were buying gear so you were like, I want shoes.
• 1:54:45
  But now you seem so stoked on like being having to warm up and
• 1:54:49
  doing this stuff. It feels like maybe it was like
• 1:54:52
  the missing thing that would make you feel like I'm in a band
• 1:54:55
  and well, I have talked about that pretty.
• 1:54:57
  Openly, like, you know, after when I started talking to Chris,
• 1:55:02
  I was like, you know, one of the things I was missing was a
• 1:55:05
  creative outlet, you know, like I didn't have that anymore.
• 1:55:09
  And I want to be creative, but I don't know how to play
• 1:55:11
  instruments and I'm not going to join another band.
• 1:55:13
  And I can be creative in other ways, but there's this was like
• 1:55:18
  a big ass hole that was left and I was like, I like to do this
• 1:55:23
  again. I like singing.
• 1:55:24
  I miss playing shows, so I'm grateful that we have the
• 1:55:29
  opportunity to play shows and I got to fucking record a record
• 1:55:34
  with Will Putney at a time where I could appreciate Will Putney
• 1:55:37
  as a producer, as a friend, the overall experience too.
• 1:55:42
  Yeah, just like when I was when I.
• 1:55:44
  You know, in when I was in poison well, like I was pretty
• 1:55:48
  just not, you know, people are like, oh, be present and shit.
• 1:55:51
  I would say I would be a huge candidate for somebody who
• 1:55:54
  wasn't present, you know, so I, I get to have it.
• 1:55:58
  It's, it's the fucking step brothers thing.
• 1:56:00
  Even better. We got it when we're 40, right?
• 1:56:02
  Like, I feel that way all of the time.
• 1:56:05
  So for me, I, I try to look at everything that you were asking,
• 1:56:10
  like, oh, like, you know, is it hard to find darkness and this
• 1:56:13
  stuff? I'm look, I have a lot of
• 1:56:16
  positive stuff going on. It feels good to be able to look
• 1:56:19
  at the negative because I don't. I have a positive to counteract
• 1:56:23
  it. Where in the past it was shit.
• 1:56:25
  It felt like it was shit after shit after shit after shit.
• 1:56:28
  It's good that you're actually managing.
• 1:56:30
  To write good music Despite that, you know what I mean?
• 1:56:34
  Sometimes people think that a. Pained an artist that writes.
• 1:56:39
  Pained music, which you guys do and you still do like when they
• 1:56:43
  don't have that pain like a lot of people are like, I don't
• 1:56:47
  really believe it, but it's more concentrated because.
• 1:56:49
  If it's always pained, it's not concentrated, it's always
• 1:56:54
  pained. So I feel like because it's now
• 1:56:57
  the byproduct, right? It's after the positive, it's
• 1:57:00
  more concentrated because it's not happening as often.
• 1:57:03
  So I feel it more and more nice. Spread it out over 2 songs.
• 1:57:10
  What is success for Poison the Whale now M.
• 1:57:15
  I think just doing this, doing this now in our 40s and like
• 1:57:23
  people still caring and then there's still chemistry between
• 1:57:25
  the three of us. And to me, it's I mean, it kind
• 1:57:30
  of definitely closed the circle that was still open when we
• 1:57:33
  hiatus. For me, there was a lot of like
• 1:57:35
  mourning the loss of something and feeling like something
• 1:57:39
  didn't actually complete what it was supposed to do.
• 1:57:42
  And then when we started doing all this stuff and things
• 1:57:44
  started falling into place, it felt like that circle closed.
• 1:57:48
  And to me that's I'm good. Like he could be like, hey, I
• 1:57:51
  don't want to do this. I'm going to have 50 kids.
• 1:57:53
  I'm out. And I would be bummed, but I've
• 1:57:55
  already finished. But I would feel like there's
• 1:57:57
  the thing completed. You know what I mean?
• 1:58:00
  Where it's like before, when we hiatus, it was, I was real sad.
• 1:58:04
  I was sad when we talked on the bus in Europe.
• 1:58:06
  I was sad when I came home because I was like, I don't know
• 1:58:08
  what the fuck I'm going to do with my life.
• 1:58:09
  And then I moved to California and it's like away from all I
• 1:58:12
  knew and trying to pursue something and I didn't know
• 1:58:15
  where I was going to go. And yeah, the loop it would, I
• 1:58:18
  would, I would always come back to it, man, Fuck, we made such
• 1:58:21
  dumb decisions. We were such dumb young kids.
• 1:58:26
  And yeah. Just like Jeff was saying too is
• 1:58:29
  like. People taking advantage of us
• 1:58:30
  because we're like, you know, like open, nice, good people and
• 1:58:36
  it just like, it just, it felt like.
• 1:58:40
  Fuck, man. There was the thing, the thing
• 1:58:42
  was there and it, it like slipped away 'cause we were.
• 1:58:45
  So for me now it's just like, wow, like this.
• 1:58:50
  You've done it this. Is success, Yeah.
• 1:58:51
  Anything past? Anything past for?
• 1:58:54
  Me like opposite of December tour, this record and everything
• 1:58:58
  like anything I'm like this is cool like this is awesome.
• 1:59:02
  I'm stoked. I'm stoked to be doing it with
• 1:59:03
  these dudes. I'm stoked who's on our crew,
• 1:59:05
  I'm stoked on Tom book, everybody involved.
• 1:59:08
  It feels like it's a cohesive team and it feels like the loop
• 1:59:12
  has closed, at least for me from from my particular point,
• 1:59:15
  because before I was like I said, I was like, fuck, well,
• 1:59:19
  fuck that one up. Like had this rad band and rad
• 1:59:22
  chemistry with people and like, all right, well, I, I guess
• 1:59:26
  that's it, you know, like that, this is how this ends.
• 1:59:30
  But you know, him and I never really gave up, to be quite
• 1:59:32
  honest. And obviously I'm not saying
• 1:59:34
  anything against Ryan, but him and I would spend many hours on
• 1:59:37
  the phone like, you know, trying.
• 1:59:40
  To figure it. Out, you know, over the 17 years
• 1:59:43
  just. Still like and then you found
• 1:59:46
  the plan that works. We would just talk about it
• 1:59:48
  like, I mean. We just awesome would be you
• 1:59:50
  know, sometimes we. Just reminisce.
• 1:59:52
  We're just. Calling each other to see how
• 1:59:53
  we're doing and we'd be like, wouldn't it be cool?
• 1:59:57
  You know, like I, I miss it like, but we understood that
• 2:00:00
  like the everything had to fall in place in order to do it.
• 2:00:03
  But pieces in place, you know, is that the.
• 2:00:08
  Meaning no I. I would, I, I would, he said.
• 2:00:10
  No. He's a no, no, no, no.
• 2:00:12
  We're. Gonna have we're gonna have two
• 2:00:14
  exactly yeah, we we have like. We talked about pretty
• 2:00:16
  extensively at Wills about like peace and place.
• 2:00:20
  What? Yeah, what like it meant to to
• 2:00:23
  each of us, like if. We were talking about it in.
• 2:00:27
  The context of like the record, like everything we went through
• 2:00:30
  to have the record done and then also like the whole path to get
• 2:00:35
  here, you know, talking to each other and like figuring out ways
• 2:00:40
  for stuff to work and get together.
• 2:00:42
  Like I feel like that could be the.
• 2:00:45
  Piece in place. Yeah, the tear or the tear of
• 2:00:49
  tear? Yeah, Yeah, I got it right.
• 2:00:51
  I've I've. I've I said no.
• 2:00:52
  But I was talking shit. It's a it's a it for me.
• 2:00:55
  It's a dual meaning of like piece of like coming to a place
• 2:00:57
  where we're adults and we could do this.
• 2:00:59
  And then pieces were like all the pieces, all these things
• 2:01:01
  are, Yeah, you know, so double. Meaning.
• 2:01:03
  But yeah, but spelled like the, you know.
• 2:01:06
  Like the peace side, but like even even this right like.
• 2:01:10
  Do you ask that question? And Chris is answering and I'm
• 2:01:13
  listening to him explain something that I probably would
• 2:01:17
  never have heard him say unless we were sitting here doing that.
• 2:01:22
  I think that's successful. That's a deeper path into my
• 2:01:25
  friends like mindset on it and makes me happy to hear that he's
• 2:01:30
  happy. And then he got back something
• 2:01:32
  he thought he lost. So I think that's successful
• 2:01:34
  friendship. That's a big fucking thing for
• 2:01:37
  me. Tom is my friend now.
• 2:01:39
  You know, fucking Wills, my friend.
• 2:01:43
  These are people that two of my best friends.
• 2:01:44
  Yeah, they weren't. In my life before like this.
• 2:01:46
  Band has given I. I think I can speak for both of
• 2:01:49
  us like so much. Do you feel like this is
• 2:01:51
  success? Oh, absolutely.
• 2:01:53
  This is it. Yeah, absolutely.
• 2:01:54
  Like anything. This is all like extra shit.
• 2:01:58
  I mean, you know, we got, we got to be in a band.
• 2:02:01
  We're still in this band. So it's, it's been awesome, like
• 2:02:04
  the whole ride, even like the break in between, like you said,
• 2:02:09
  maybe it was kind of necessary for us to come back.
• 2:02:12
  Oh, definitely. But not everyone comes back.
• 2:02:14
  And does it? A lot of people come back and
• 2:02:17
  it's like either. They don't feel the same or.
• 2:02:21
  It's a cash grab or the fucking. It's lighting in a ball where
• 2:02:23
  you can't do it again. Yeah, I think we, I feel like
• 2:02:26
  you did it again. We talked about it a lot, I
• 2:02:28
  don't think. We would have released anything
• 2:02:29
  if it was subpar. Will partly such a big fan as.
• 2:02:33
  Well, there's no way. When I heard you began where I
• 2:02:35
  was just like, fuck. I mean, yeah, him.
• 2:02:37
  Him like you. Kind of said he was kind of an
• 2:02:39
  additional member of Stray. I mean, he became an additional
• 2:02:41
  member of the band when we're in the studio.
• 2:02:43
  You know, he's he's awesome. Yeah, he's fucking great.
• 2:02:46
  He knows I'm desperate. For him to do Metallica, that
• 2:02:51
  would. Imagine.
• 2:02:52
  Imagine. Yeah, imagine it.
• 2:02:53
  Imagine. I mean, he's S, he's S tier.
• 2:02:55
  Producer like the fact that that I mean, James Hetfield or Lars
• 2:02:59
  is not knocking on his door is kind of crazy.
• 2:03:01
  I feel like they go for you. Yes, man.
• 2:03:03
  I think I, I have a big and I I'll put you guys as legacy
• 2:03:07
  metal core band. I think every legacy legacy band
• 2:03:12
  should. Go to Will Ponty.
• 2:03:14
  Provided he likes the band, Yeah, because the guy's a
• 2:03:17
  fucking genius. I'm dumb with sucking Tom and
• 2:03:19
  we're his fucking Packers in this podcast I think.
• 2:03:23
  I think when you get we reach a certain level, you have to
• 2:03:26
  consciously surround yourself with no men.
• 2:03:28
  Yeah, no man. I love the Nomad and you know.
• 2:03:30
  I respect it so much. I respect it.
• 2:03:32
  I respect you for saying, you said, am I glistening?
• 2:03:36
  You said, am I glistening? And I said, is that because I'm
• 2:03:38
  listening? He was like, you're listening.
• 2:03:40
  I was like, that's a fucking no man love, a no man.
• 2:03:43
  We need no man to succeed. You're quick to be like, no, I
• 2:03:45
  have a new. Skin care, Richard Exactly.
• 2:03:47
  So it was good. It was.
• 2:03:48
  It was great. Detriment, but I'm also
• 2:03:50
  glistening. Because the.
• 2:03:51
  Fucking light and we're in Tennessee.
• 2:03:53
  Your skin is fantastic, by the way.
• 2:03:55
  It does it. Looks very good.
• 2:03:56
  It looks very good. I got prescribed this thing.
• 2:03:59
  Called tretinoin or something and it's like it nukes your
• 2:04:05
  fucking skin. It's prescription only, but is
• 2:04:07
  it for what lines or? You have acne, what's wrong with
• 2:04:10
  your skin? Nothing, just getting old.
• 2:04:12
  And this. Guy just hit me up.
• 2:04:13
  I had basically had so many comments on the podcast of
• 2:04:16
  people saying like, are you ill because I got fucked?
• 2:04:19
  Because I'm and all it is is right.
• 2:04:20
  I'm just getting older in front of you guys.
• 2:04:22
  Yeah, I'm just getting older in front of you and people are
• 2:04:25
  like, Oh my God, he looks like shit, how he looks bad, blah,
• 2:04:27
  blah, blah, blah. Is he unwell?
• 2:04:29
  So you have a plethora of. No man on your in your comment
• 2:04:32
  section yeah or shit posters. I can't buy.
• 2:04:37
  Them both but I was like, fuck, I do really look quite bad.
• 2:04:40
  I better do something about this and then I don't know.
• 2:04:42
  This is what happened. I just posted the comments onto
• 2:04:45
  my Instagram story and then just some random doctor hit me up and
• 2:04:48
  was like, I think I asked for like has anyone got skin care
• 2:04:51
  routines because I'm getting roasted on the Internet and then
• 2:04:53
  his doctor hit me up and he's like ignore everything.
• 2:04:56
  This is the only thing that works is prescription only.
• 2:04:58
  I'll prescribe it for you. It fucking melts your skin.
• 2:05:01
  Like I have to put it on. I can't put it on the day before
• 2:05:05
  I have a podcast because you have skin like fucking flakes.
• 2:05:08
  But it what it is is the collagen regenerating.
• 2:05:12
  So like, my girlfriend probably knows about this as long.
• 2:05:15
  As you like moisturizing. Whatever uses shit like it's
• 2:05:18
  fucking great. I look young.
• 2:05:19
  I think if you do actually. I was like, man, this.
• 2:05:21
  Fucking skin looks great. Thanks 3939 last.
• 2:05:24
  Week nearly 40 Have you belated 45?
• 2:05:27
  It's gonna. Be 40.
• 2:05:28
  Five, you guys look good. This is a.
• 2:05:31
  This is. A young, old men's club, Yeah.
• 2:05:32
  I mean, it's it's also that. Fucking green light ain't
• 2:05:35
  helping either. That's a no, man.
• 2:05:38
  That's a fucking no, man, telling me about my lighting.
• 2:05:40
  I got one last question, if you have a good one for me.
• 2:05:43
  If not, it's gonna get caught. Is there anything about Poison
• 2:05:45
  the World's story that you feel like hasn't been told enough?
• 2:05:49
  I don't think most people. Know how far we would try to go
• 2:05:55
  and I don't know if this is relevant now, but because
• 2:05:59
  there's a lot of stuff that we can't but like in the past, like
• 2:06:03
  we would go out of our way to like make sure that like people
• 2:06:07
  could come to our shows and like when people were selling shirts
• 2:06:10
  for 20 bucks, we were selling them for 10 and you know that we
• 2:06:15
  would try to say we would do everything possible to make sure
• 2:06:20
  that the integrity of poisoned the well how we viewed it was
• 2:06:26
  protected also so that the people who listen to us felt
• 2:06:31
  that we were a band that was doing things for the right
• 2:06:35
  reasons that we were always being genuine that you know,
• 2:06:40
  like I said before like, oh everything I've ever written
• 2:06:42
  about I went through, you know shit like that.
• 2:06:44
  So I guess I don't necessarily care that it, it's being spoken
• 2:06:49
  about a lot. It's just something that I'm
• 2:06:51
  proud of and I, you know, I don't know if that's something
• 2:06:56
  that anybody. Would know but that you were.
• 2:06:58
  For the people was that? $10 shirts, one of the shitty
• 2:07:01
  business decisions like I, I think at the time, like, well.
• 2:07:05
  Yeah, we just like we were like, well, this is how much this
• 2:07:08
  shirt cost and we'll just sell it for this, not budgeting a
• 2:07:11
  tour and then come home and you're like, oh, yeah, I don't
• 2:07:14
  have any money. But the goal was accomplished,
• 2:07:17
  right? Yeah.
• 2:07:18
  The people who came to our shows were able to go get a shirt,
• 2:07:21
  come into the show too. Show was cheap and they left,
• 2:07:24
  had a good time and didn't feel like they were stretched beyond
• 2:07:28
  what what they can afford. And we got to play a show.
• 2:07:31
  I think like that contract is there, it's not their problem
• 2:07:35
  what our bottom line is later on.
• 2:07:38
  Yeah. And and I, I think we, we still
• 2:07:40
  try to do that as much as we can in this industry.
• 2:07:43
  Yeah. And and in these times, and with
• 2:07:44
  Tom Williams robbing his. Greasy mitts?
• 2:07:46
  That's a joke. He's gotta get that pool money,
• 2:07:49
  no? Yeah.
• 2:07:50
  December pool? Yeah, the one that's He's not
• 2:07:52
  done. Yet.
• 2:07:53
  Yeah, but just as you know everything if you want.
• 2:07:56
  To put on a show for people that shit cost.
• 2:07:58
  Yeah, look at all those lines. So fucking.
• 2:07:59
  Expensive. Yeah.
• 2:08:00
  Have you got anything left on the bucket list?
• 2:08:02
  That poison well didn't achieve on time.
• 2:08:05
  We've never been to Asia. Never been Asia.
• 2:08:09
  Never been to Asia? Never, dude, we were.
• 2:08:10
  Talking to the contention. Dudes like, Oh yeah, we're going
• 2:08:12
  to fucking like Indonesia. I'm like, how the fuck are you
• 2:08:16
  just going to? You can hook that up.
• 2:08:18
  I did it with. We've never done it.
• 2:08:20
  Do you think it's just? Making it make.
• 2:08:22
  Sense in the budget, when you go over there, you lose fucking
• 2:08:25
  money. But it's worth it.
• 2:08:27
  Well, I was trying it. We were trying to.
• 2:08:28
  Do like a South American tour. And it was like, well, you're
• 2:08:30
  not gonna make any money. I'm like, fucking, I don't give
• 2:08:32
  a fuck. Like always.
• 2:08:34
  We're not losing money, and whoever needs to do whatever
• 2:08:36
  they can do like those ones are worth it, Yeah, I think.
• 2:08:39
  So it's especially too. When if you're already saying,
• 2:08:42
  hey, we can't make this work if it's not financially viable,
• 2:08:46
  that it's like, well, when is it gonna be?
• 2:08:48
  And does that mean we're never gonna go?
• 2:08:50
  Yeah, it might have to be. You gotta take one for the team
• 2:08:52
  so we can go play at these cool ass places starting again, Yeah.
• 2:08:56
  Or you you route a bunch of things that.
• 2:08:58
  Make money and then you do that so that it all can pay for
• 2:09:00
  itself in Australia. You make some money in
• 2:09:03
  Australia. It's like a flight go to Japan
• 2:09:05
  and you go to all the little. That's that's basically
• 2:09:07
  basically what we're doing. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:09:09
  But I would just the way to do it.
• 2:09:10
  I would love to like. Travel.
• 2:09:12
  Travel more, yeah, would be a company down there.
• 2:09:14
  Have you been though? Oh my God, what's Indonesia
• 2:09:18
  like? Any of the.
• 2:09:20
  Japan, I'm with the. Philippines when census fail and
• 2:09:24
  that's it. Yeah, I've been in.
• 2:09:26
  Japan it's and this is the. Good thing about that you're
• 2:09:29
  with Tom because I've done 2 of the world's craziest fucking
• 2:09:36
  Southeast Asia tours in stray with Tom and it was before Tom
• 2:09:39
  was like the manager giant that he is today.
• 2:09:42
  And it was like they're booking agents, they're going to sort it
• 2:09:45
  out. And we went and it was like play
• 2:09:46
  a show, go immediately to the airport to fly to the next
• 2:09:49
  loading. But now Tom's seen that and been
• 2:09:53
  burnt by that someone counterparts and everyone goes
• 2:09:56
  they go show in this cool city, day off in this cool city, fly
• 2:10:02
  to the next cool city. And I'm the the only thing right
• 2:10:06
  now because it's fresh to me. And I'm like, probably how you
• 2:10:09
  guys were when you disbanded, like breath of fresh air, like
• 2:10:14
  thank God that's over for now. The one thing I miss and still
• 2:10:19
  miss and still like in my head I'm like fuck I would do another
• 2:10:22
  band for that is going to those places itching for money just
• 2:10:27
  for the fun. Itch will come back.
• 2:10:28
  You'll be like. Man, I want to play drums in the
• 2:10:30
  band that's already come back. I'm like.
• 2:10:32
  I want to do a blackmail band. I want to do something fucking
• 2:10:35
  horrific. Then we're done.
• 2:10:38
  I need to go pack up my house. Yeah.
• 2:10:39
  Yeah. Thank you.
• 2:10:40
  Thanks for coming. I appreciate it.