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4/20/26: Kash Patel Meltdown, Sam Harris Smears Zohran, Pro-Trump AI Bots Exposed, Cuba Under New Trump Threat · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 2: Shall we turn to what's going on with the head
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Speaker 2: of the FBI here in some internal drama here in
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Speaker 2: the US.
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Speaker 3: In lighter news it is a bit lighter, yeah, a
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Speaker 3: bit lighter yeah. Well, Cash Patography I director Cashptel was
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Speaker 3: the subject of a truly wild Atlantic profile that posted.
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Speaker 3: It really was more of a profile than a report
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Speaker 3: posted on Friday. And now I'm going to give the
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Speaker 3: bylines on this. So this is Sarah Fitzpatrick and includes
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Speaker 3: some prior reporting from Ashley Parker and Jonathan Lamire. Those
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Speaker 3: are two I would say, people who are sourced up
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Speaker 3: in anti Trump world. So keep that in mind. Keep
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Speaker 3: in mind that the FBI is undergoing some purging processes
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Speaker 3: where you would have people who really really really dislike
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Speaker 3: cash Battel for political reasons and the like.
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Speaker 4: But this isn't we have like talked to like twelve people.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, it wouldn't surprise me that they
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Speaker 3: were able to find twelve people who absolutely hate cash Battel.
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Speaker 3: But this reporting is pretty like, even if you hate
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Speaker 3: cash Btel, it doesn't mean that you're spewing lies necessarily. Right.
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Speaker 2: Also, I mean those twelve people would all have to
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Speaker 2: like spin the same story in the same way.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, it's really specific stuff, Like if we just
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Speaker 3: read the lead here. On Friday, April tenth, as FBI
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Speaker 3: Director Cash Hotel was preparing to leave worked for the weekend,
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Speaker 3: he struggled to log on turn internal computer system. He
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Speaker 3: quickly became convinced that he had been locked out, and
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Speaker 3: he panicked, frantically calling AIDS and Alice to announce that
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Speaker 3: he had been fired by the White House. According to
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Speaker 3: nine people familiar with his outreach, So like, we were
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Speaker 3: just saying a really specific story here corroborated by nine
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Speaker 3: sources to the Atlantic. Two of them described his behavior
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Speaker 3: as quote a freak out about a very specific instance,
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Speaker 3: very recently.
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Speaker 5: So that was about seven day.
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Speaker 3: It was like a week before the story published, exactly
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Speaker 3: a week before this story published about the computer system.
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Speaker 3: He can't get into the computer. He's so freaked out. Now,
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Speaker 3: The Atlantic had reported not long before that Cash batal
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Speaker 3: after Pambondi was on basically a list, maybe not a
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Speaker 3: formal list, but a list of people who could be
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Speaker 3: acted within DOJ at any moment. So maybe that had
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Speaker 3: something to do with his paranoia. But it goes on
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Speaker 3: to cite all kinds of current officials, former officials who
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Speaker 3: remain quote close to him, according to The Atlantic, saying
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Speaker 3: that he is quote deeply concerned that his job is
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Speaker 3: in jeopardy, including what some reasons quote having to do
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Speaker 3: with what witnesses described to me as bouts of excessive drinking. Now,
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Speaker 3: obviously that goes back.
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Speaker 2: To talking about the same cash Fattel here.
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Speaker 4: I know, I just I can't believe it.
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Speaker 3: Emily, I mean, he looked like a novice.
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Speaker 4: Wa wait, it was beer chugging Lit's with C four
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Speaker 4: up on the screen C four.
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Speaker 2: This guy, this is the guy you're talking about here,
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Speaker 2: This one has a drinking but I just can't believe it.
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Speaker 6: Okay, this is.
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Speaker 4: Business, the business.
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Speaker 2: Reportedly, Trump was supposedly pissed off about this, by the way,
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Speaker 2: yeacause Trump had a brother who was an alcoholic. Yes,
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Speaker 2: and you know, found this all to be sort of horrifying.
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Speaker 2: And it's part of why I think Cash one of
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Speaker 2: the reasons that Cash is actually justifiable, that behavior is rational,
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Speaker 2: justifiably afraid that he is imminently going to be fired.
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Speaker 3: Well, and people forget that there was a man who
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Speaker 3: was detained arrested trying to kill Trump literally the day
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Speaker 3: that Cash Pattel allegedly trying to kill Trump, the day
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Speaker 3: that Cash Battel is filmed trugging beers. Well, almost at
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Speaker 3: the same time, Cash Hotel was chugging beers in the
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Speaker 3: locker room of the Olympic hockey team, which, by the way,
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Speaker 3: hockey team awesome. Cash Hotel still nobody knows what was
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Speaker 3: happening at all, they said. This is according to quote
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Speaker 3: several officials who told the Report of Quote. Ptel's drinking
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Speaker 3: has been a recurring source of concern across the government.
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Speaker 3: They said that he is known to drink to the
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Speaker 3: point of obvious intoxication in many cases at the private
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Speaker 3: club Neds in Washington, DC, is just front a corner
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Speaker 3: from the White House. He has also known to drink
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Speaker 3: to excess at the Poodle Room in Las Vegas, where
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Speaker 3: he frequently spends part of his weekends.
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Speaker 5: That is something that's scottle but.
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Speaker 3: In DC that he's not actually even in DC that often,
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Speaker 3: that he spends a lot of time in Las Vegas.
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Speaker 3: I don't know how true that is, but obviously some
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Speaker 3: of it gets into this story here. Now Patel says,
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Speaker 3: all lies, print it, I'll see you in court, and
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Speaker 3: then responds on he goes on Sunday Morning Futures with
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Speaker 3: Maria Bartiromo just yesterday, known to be one of Trump's
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Speaker 3: favorite shows. Obviously, Trump watches Maria Bartiromo with religious harm.
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Speaker 3: So here's Cashmittel's response. Just yesterday, it's Bartiromo, c one.
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Speaker 7: The Atlantic magazine director is alleging that you have a
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Speaker 7: drinking problem, that it is getting in the way of
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Speaker 7: your work running the FBI. What is your response this
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Speaker 7: morning to this article.
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Speaker 8: Look, Maria, you and I have been at this together
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Speaker 8: for a long time, whether I was leading the investigation
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Speaker 8: on Russia Gate back in the House or my time
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Speaker 8: in the Trump admin one and now, and the results,
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Speaker 8: I say speak for themselves. If the fake news mafia
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Speaker 8: isn't hitting you personally with baseless information in Washington, DC,
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Speaker 8: then you're not doing your job. And it's louder than
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Speaker 8: ever because this FBI, under President Trump's brilliant leadership and
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Speaker 8: backing the blue and backing law enforcement, this FBI has
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Speaker 8: the most prolific year in crime reduction in the United
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Speaker 8: States history.
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Speaker 9: So if I'm not doing my job, if I'm not.
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Speaker 8: Working, then how is it that the FBI delivered the
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Speaker 8: safest America under President Trump's leadership in the history of
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Speaker 8: our country. They can beat the drums and stand next
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Speaker 8: to toxic waste all they want, but that doesn't make
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Speaker 8: it toxic waste. And Maria, I'm happy to announce on
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Speaker 8: your show that we are not going to take this
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Speaker 8: laying down.
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Speaker 9: You want to attack my character, come at me, bring
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Speaker 9: it on. I'll see you in court.
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Speaker 4: So you're going to shoo them.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, it's coming tomorrow.
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Speaker 7: Tomorrow you will be dropping a lawsuit against The Atlantic magazine.
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Speaker 9: Yes, yes, I will for defamation.
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Speaker 3: All right, well we'll see what actually happens in that
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Speaker 3: case today, Crystal. But let's actually go ahead and skip
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Speaker 3: here to see five. Probably no surprise. This is Mark
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Speaker 3: Elias posting from the Democracy Dock fbodricat Caashpattel said that
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Speaker 3: his agency will soon make a rest, maybe this week,
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Speaker 3: in connection to the twenty twenty presidential election, which he
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Speaker 3: claims was rigged. Now you could hear in the Barbiromo
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Speaker 3: clip the high school theater level of acting from President
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Speaker 3: Trump's leadership and his decision to back the.
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Speaker 2: Bloom And you notice Fox had pre prepared a graphic.
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Speaker 4: With all the stats. Did you see that they put
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Speaker 4: when he started talking about that that had to like
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Speaker 4: this money or rests, this many child predators and blah
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Speaker 4: blah blah.
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Speaker 2: Interest Box News ready to go with this, you know,
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Speaker 2: when he launched his high school acting moment here, they
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Speaker 2: were ready to support him with that.
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Speaker 3: Interesting, Well, that's probably what's booing him, to be honest,
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Speaker 3: is that the FBI has had some successes cracking down
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Speaker 3: on crime. But how much of that is actually the
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Speaker 3: FBI and how much to the national atmosphere we could
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Speaker 3: do a whole segment on that, But I do just
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Speaker 3: want to read the part about the hockey team from
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Speaker 3: the Atlantic story. They say, quote, while an official travel
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Speaker 3: to Italy is CHUCKI beer quote. The incident prompted the president,
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Speaker 3: who does not drink and his brother died following a
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Speaker 3: long struggle with alcoholism, to call the FBI director to
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Speaker 3: convey his unhappiness, according to two officials familiar with the call.
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Speaker 3: So just keep that in mind, so you have somebody
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Speaker 3: who would be familiar with the call as we try
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Speaker 3: to figure out the sourcing here. I also just wanted
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Speaker 3: to bring up this other part of the story that
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Speaker 3: gets to the sourcing, which said that they are internally
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Speaker 3: within the Trump administration already discussing who they might replace
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Speaker 3: Cashpitel with. So that is I mean, that's a pretty
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Speaker 3: clear sign that he's genuinely in jeopardy and that this
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Speaker 3: isn't just like it is the most obvious thing in
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Speaker 3: the world that if you go and you start purging
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Speaker 3: career officials from the FBI, a lot of them are
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Speaker 3: probably going to leak. The FBI leaks a lot to
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Speaker 3: journalists already, and so in this really polarized climate where
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Speaker 3: people don't like Trump is the most obviously in the
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Speaker 3: world that you're probably going to get some hit pieces
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Speaker 3: written about you. That what I just referenced was quote
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Speaker 3: sourced to senior members of the Trump administration, according to
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Speaker 3: an administration official and two people close to the White
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Speaker 3: House who are familiar with the conversation. So that tells
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Speaker 3: us at the very least that Patel has enemies within
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Speaker 3: Trump circles, and that that tells us in and of
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Speaker 3: itself that this is already fairly serious.
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Speaker 6: Crystal.
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Speaker 2: Well, and here's the thing too, I mean, it's all
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Speaker 2: it's demonstrably had an impact on his ability to do
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Speaker 2: the job effectively. During the Charlie Kirk early days of
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Speaker 2: the early hours of Charlie Kirk investigation, he was tweeting out,
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Speaker 2: we've got someone in custody, giving very much the impression
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Speaker 2: that like, oh, we got the guy, when they very
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Speaker 2: much had not gotten the guy.
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Speaker 4: The Brown Cads.
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Speaker 2: It's same, very similar situation unfolded with the Brown case.
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Speaker 2: What they say in this article is that suspicion is
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Speaker 2: that that was because he was like half drunk when
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Speaker 2: he was getting this information in and then just you know,
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Speaker 2: no inhibitions tweeting it out. Why not the other thing
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Speaker 2: in terms of just like the seriousness that we're talking about.
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Speaker 2: So they had to reschedule all his meetings till later
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Speaker 2: in the day because he's like two hungover in the
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Speaker 2: morning to be able to get up there, or he's
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Speaker 2: in Las Vegas or yeah, And they also talk about
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Speaker 2: how they're like, well, it's kind of nice when he's
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Speaker 2: not here actually, but then it's also kind of a
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Speaker 2: problem that we don't actually really have an FBI director.
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Speaker 4: And there have been times too.
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Speaker 2: There was a time when they had to summon breaching equipment,
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Speaker 2: like the type a swat team would use to like
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Speaker 2: bust into a house to try to get into his
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Speaker 2: home because he was, you know, so sort of like
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Speaker 2: passed out drunk or after effects, et cetera. That he
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Speaker 2: was not responding at all and he's behind locked doors.
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Speaker 2: So that's the lengths that they've had to go to
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Speaker 2: to to deal with this guy. I mean, So that's uh,
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Speaker 2: that's the I guess that's what is one of the
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Speaker 2: problems of cash Buttel's leadership at the FBI, And do
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Speaker 2: you think that do you think that he actually is
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Speaker 2: likely to go or sometimes these stories from the from
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Speaker 2: the lamestream media, sometimes they push Trump in the other direction,
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Speaker 2: it seems, where it kind of like then he doesn't
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Speaker 2: want to be seen as giving in to the Atlantic
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Speaker 2: in this case, so he at least keeps them around
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Speaker 2: for a little bit longer.
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Speaker 3: You know, I was totally surprised by the Pambondi departure.
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Speaker 3: That genuinely surprised me. There there really hadn't been a
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Speaker 3: lot of rumors at all that she was in Jeff,
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Speaker 3: which is is almost always the case. You start hearing
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Speaker 3: the gossip and people are upset with her, And it
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Speaker 3: was true that some people were a little bit irked
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Speaker 3: by obviously the Epstein stuff, but the administration had just
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Speaker 3: been doubling and tripling and quadrupling down in support of
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Speaker 3: Pambondi on all of that. So I'm not sure, you know,
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Speaker 3: cash Hotel strikes me as someone who would be hard
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Speaker 3: to replace from Trump's perspective, like somebody who is as
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Speaker 3: was the right word for it, like as I don't know,
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Speaker 3: charismatics not the right word for it, like as performatively
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Speaker 3: maga an anti deep state. It's hard to find somebody.
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Speaker 3: And he also, I mean, lest we forget Cash Mittel
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Speaker 3: did have like prior DOJ experience, which was one of
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Speaker 3: the interesting like distinctions I think between him and other
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Speaker 3: possible candidates that he had actually worked like as a
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Speaker 3: bureaucrat at the DOJ prior in his career he was
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Speaker 3: on it was like the senior aid on house Intel.
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Speaker 3: And to find somebody who kind of checks both those boxes,
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Speaker 3: who is like so performatively maga and has some experience
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Speaker 3: that you can kind of squeeze into the FBI director box,
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Speaker 3: that actually could be tough for Trump.
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Speaker 2: Well, and it seems like the thing that Trump is
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Speaker 2: the most pissed off about is that he hasn't done
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Speaker 2: enough to like go after Trump's enemies. That's the thing
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Speaker 2: that Trump's disappointed in his performance over. And so that's
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Speaker 2: why you know the information about Okay, now Cash is
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Speaker 2: going to go out and try to arrest somebody or
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Speaker 2: make some some sort of action with regard to the
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Speaker 2: election being stolen in twenty twenty. It tracks with Okay,
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Speaker 2: this is how I'm going to save my job, right,
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Speaker 2: And it also tracks with reminds very much of Tulcy
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Speaker 2: Gabbert getting involved in the Fulton County raid and inserting
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Speaker 2: herself there to try to reclaim her status within the
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Speaker 2: administration after she had fallen off there. So I guess
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Speaker 2: that's the way back into Trump's good graces.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. It also it reminds me a little bit of Christinome,
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Speaker 3: where you know, we saw Christinome doing some of this
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Speaker 3: performative stuff to and even people whose jobs aren't in jeopardy,
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Speaker 3: Like we see that those cabinet meetings are performatively pro Trump.
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Speaker 3: But there's an exasperation in some like hardcore MAGA circles
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Speaker 3: in DC with for example, the Charlie Kirk investigation and
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Speaker 3: other top priorities Epstein for example, for like MAGA grass
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Speaker 3: roots in DC circles where they were people like Cash
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Speaker 3: Battel who were saying, we're going to get to the
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Speaker 3: bottom of Epstein, like this Epstein thing is a disaster
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Speaker 3: for the left and for the Democrats. And so there
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Speaker 3: are people who are just utterly exasperated with the showmanship
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Speaker 3: of the Christy Gnomes on deportations for example, and then
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Speaker 3: looking around and saying we want you to go much harder,
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Speaker 3: same exact thing with Cash Battel. That's something that you
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Speaker 3: here's just this exasperation with putting the showmanship over the substance.
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Speaker 3: And that's where you have Mark Waynemullen coming out just
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Speaker 3: in the New Day, just Director, just in the last
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Speaker 3: week saying we're gonna be doing stuff that you're not
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Speaker 3: seeing in the headlines.
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Speaker 4: Our goal is not to be in the road lines.
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Speaker 3: He said that on I think he said that on Fox,
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Speaker 3: and so that's where it could I could see changes
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Speaker 3: being made in that people are absolutely so of seeing
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Speaker 3: so much performativity substance.
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Speaker 4: It kind of tracks that. I don't know if you
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Speaker 4: saw this story.
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Speaker 2: They're looking for a new or I guess they nominated
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Speaker 2: someone to be the new CDC head, and in the
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Speaker 2: search for that, the criteria was we need someone who
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Speaker 2: was not crazy. That was the ideas, like, Okay, well
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Speaker 2: this has been too much of a mess. It's been
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Speaker 2: all over the place. Trump is not comfortable, I think,
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Speaker 2: with all the anti VAXX stuff, because obviously he sees
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Speaker 2: one of his primary accomplishments from his first term was
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Speaker 2: the quick spin up of the COVID vaccine, and which
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Speaker 2: I think he deserves some credit for. The you know,
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Speaker 2: Operation warp Speed, I think was highly successful in developing
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Speaker 2: and then pretty rapidly by an administration was able to deplay
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Speaker 2: the vaccine pretty rapidly. But you brought in this Mahak
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Speaker 2: coalition which is deeply vaccine skeptical. In RFK Junior obviously
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Speaker 2: like his whole thing is like hating vaccines.
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Speaker 4: Basically he'll object to that. But that's just the reality.
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Speaker 2: And so you know, I don't think I don't think
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Speaker 2: Trump like Trump is not really expressed that he's ever
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Speaker 2: been fully on board with this stuff, and so now
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Speaker 2: it feels like he is, Okay, this is this is
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Speaker 2: a mess, this is causing problems for me in my
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Speaker 2: political desires. So we got to get in someone here
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Speaker 2: who is, in his view not crazy.
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Speaker 4: So interesting, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see.
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Speaker 3: Kind of assembling a crew of crazy people was the
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Speaker 3: two point zero like strategy.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, is that going right?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Christ it wasn't that she had a bunch of
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Speaker 3: DHS experience. It was that she was a good Trump
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Speaker 3: Sawder is a good spokesperson. So I think it's probably
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Speaker 3: similar with Cash Puttel and it tracks. I mean, this
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Speaker 3: is a through line of the show today is that
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Speaker 3: Trump is so obsessed with optics that sometimes it undermines
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Speaker 3: his substance of goals.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. True.
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Speaker 2: All right, well, Emily, thank you for doing the first
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Speaker 2: half of the show.
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Speaker 4: We're gonna swap out. Swap you out now for Ryan.
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Speaker 5: It's my pleasure.
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Speaker 3: Ryan's going to happen.
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Speaker 4: I'm passing the batons. Can we mix it?
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Speaker 3: And then Sager is planning to be back tomorrow.
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Speaker 4: Excellent, All right, we'll see you soon.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Very interesting political event, I guess in New York City
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Speaker 2: where former President Obama came to the city and went
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Speaker 2: along with mayors or on mom Donnie to visit some
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Speaker 2: adorable little preschoolers. Let's go ahead and take a look
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Speaker 2: at some of the cute things that unfolded there.
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Speaker 6: What's his first name?
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Speaker 2: This was that a childcare center in the Bronx. And
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Speaker 2: I actually think in terms of like future the Democratic
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Speaker 2: Party actually think this is kind of a significant event because,
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Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, Obama was very much involved
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Speaker 2: in screwing over certainly Bernie this last time around, so
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Speaker 2: you know, having him, you know, signaling support for the
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Speaker 2: character is seen as like one of the most lefty.
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Speaker 4: Characters in the Democratic Party. Someone who never received the endorsement.
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Speaker 5: Of Chuck Schumer still hasn't right, right.
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Speaker 2: I think what Hakeem Jefferys came in like a day before,
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Speaker 2: and I guess all before maybe Okay, anyway, moving on that,
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Speaker 2: Kirsten Gilibrand called like a jihattist and Obama's not only
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Speaker 2: meeting with him, which we knew they had had phone
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Speaker 2: calls before, but he came to the city to do this,
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Speaker 2: you know, very cute event, supporting one of Zorn's key
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Speaker 2: legislative priorities. I think it's very important signal to liberals,
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Speaker 2: signal to democratic establishment.
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Speaker 4: Leaders like, no, this guy is good. We need to
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Speaker 4: embrace him.
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Speaker 2: We need to not have this like hostile energy towards
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Speaker 2: him and what he represents.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and if it's and the fact that it's around
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Speaker 5: kind of universal childcare is also I think important because
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Speaker 5: that's that's a signature part of like a social democratic agenda. Yes,
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Speaker 5: but he's not coming in supporting him.
18:07
Speaker 2: On his abundance his abundance housing agenda or whatever.
18:10
Speaker 5: Yeah, right exactly, He's saying no, like this is this
18:14
Speaker 5: is public social policy. You know, we need the public
18:17
Speaker 5: sector to invest in people and put a put a
18:23
Speaker 5: positive fun.
18:23
Speaker 11: Face on it.
18:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I have to think that Obama sort of
18:27
Speaker 2: sees himself in Zoran, you know, like because he's the
18:31
Speaker 2: guy grew up overseas.
18:34
Speaker 11: He's a Muslim socialist from.
18:35
Speaker 2: Africa, exactly just like Obama with a weird name, you know. No,
18:40
Speaker 2: I think he has to sort of see himself a
18:43
Speaker 2: bit in Zoron and recognizes for his own Obama's very
18:48
Speaker 2: interested in legacy preservation, which I think was part of
18:51
Speaker 2: his opposition to Bernie, because if Bernie came in and
18:54
Speaker 2: like was doing Medicare for all, well, that makes Obamacare
18:56
Speaker 2: look bad, right, So it was kind of like a
18:57
Speaker 2: direct attack on his legacy. Right. But with Zorn, he says, oh,
19:02
Speaker 2: this is the young new thing, and I need to
19:05
Speaker 2: associate myself and my brand with this guy who is
19:10
Speaker 2: you know, not only really built this political movement, captured
19:13
Speaker 2: a lot of attention really you know, capture the imagination
19:17
Speaker 2: of a lot of people, but that this is kind
19:20
Speaker 2: of where the party is going, and I need to
19:23
Speaker 2: associate myself with this direction for his own sort of
19:27
Speaker 2: strategic branding purposes, which is another sign of sort of
19:31
Speaker 2: like victory for not just Zoron, but the segment of
19:34
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party that he represents.
19:36
Speaker 5: Absolutely and if Obama is coming to the mom Danni wing,
19:40
Speaker 5: then that's then what welcome him in. Because if if
19:44
Speaker 5: you can have that's exactly right, Like if you can
19:48
Speaker 5: go to the normy you know, democratic primary voter and
19:54
Speaker 5: say Obama's good with this, like whatever, whatever the thing
19:58
Speaker 5: is that they're pushing, then you have completely boxed out
20:03
Speaker 5: the opposition, Like where is where are Hillary and Schumer
20:07
Speaker 5: are going to get purchase? If they're coming at a
20:12
Speaker 5: party that goes from Bernie Sanders to Obama, Like where
20:16
Speaker 5: like where's the space for opposition there? It just completely collapses. Yeah,
20:20
Speaker 5: So if mom Donnie can keep playing to his his
20:26
Speaker 5: his ego and his sense of legacy and you know
20:30
Speaker 5: the other the other thing is it's this is not
20:33
Speaker 5: class war, This is not you know, tax the super rich.
20:38
Speaker 11: This is the feel.
20:40
Speaker 5: Good side of social democracy, which is children should get
20:44
Speaker 5: a good education, they should get childcare. It's easier for
20:47
Speaker 5: Obama to agree to yeah, than saying Ken Griffin.
20:51
Speaker 2: Should pay for it, right, although that video did just
20:53
Speaker 2: come out when Obama arrived. To me, that is also
20:56
Speaker 2: the feel good part of the democratic socialist agenda personally
21:00
Speaker 2: for me, some had to play this from Sam Harris,
21:04
Speaker 2: just to give a sense of how unhinged some of
21:06
Speaker 2: the commentary from you know, someone who I guess I
21:08
Speaker 2: would describe himself as a liberal has been in the
21:10
Speaker 2: views of Zoron and I mean, frankly, like, there's no
21:13
Speaker 2: way you could describe what you're about to watch Sam
21:15
Speaker 2: Harris say other than it's just blatantly like bigoted and
21:18
Speaker 2: racist and totally disconnected from the reality of Zorain and
21:22
Speaker 2: what his political project actually is.
21:24
Speaker 4: Let's go and take a listen to this.
21:26
Speaker 9: A few comments here, I'm sorry, but Sam equating Mom
21:28
Speaker 9: Donnie to Trump is insane.
21:30
Speaker 1: He's infinitely more ethical than any person in the Republican Party.
21:33
Speaker 1: What do you have to say?
21:34
Speaker 12: So, apologies for one point of confusion there, which really
21:38
Speaker 12: is confusion. He's not the equivalent of Trump. He's a
21:41
Speaker 12: very different sort of character than Trump, right, but also
21:46
Speaker 12: one who we should want nothing to do with politically.
21:49
Speaker 12: I think he's an action I think he's a sinister figure.
21:53
Speaker 12: I think he's a none too closeted Islamist, or at
22:00
Speaker 12: minimum apologists for an apologist for Islamists. He's not ethically saying,
22:08
Speaker 12: by my lights at all, though he can seem to
22:11
Speaker 12: be somebody who really just cares about you know, people
22:14
Speaker 12: who are finding it hard to make ends meet in
22:17
Speaker 12: New York. Right, But if you double click on many
22:21
Speaker 12: of his political allegiances and the kinds of things his
22:26
Speaker 12: you know, his wife likes on social media and all
22:28
Speaker 12: of that, what you get is a picture of someone
22:30
Speaker 12: who's captured by a fairly sinister theocratic agenda and an
22:37
Speaker 12: anti Semitic one. You know, this is not about garbage
22:40
Speaker 12: trucks and you know, cleaning up Central Park and really
22:45
Speaker 12: helping the city. The thing that really seems to animate
22:48
Speaker 12: him are these political concerns that don't have a lot
22:53
Speaker 12: to do with being mayor and have a lot to
22:54
Speaker 12: do with Israel and.
22:56
Speaker 11: Islam.
22:57
Speaker 12: He's not the worst person.
22:59
Speaker 6: You might find in that.
23:03
Speaker 12: Vein, but he's far too close to being a shill
23:07
Speaker 12: for Islamist theocrats. Then I would want running a major
23:11
Speaker 12: American city, to say nothing of our government.
23:14
Speaker 8: Right.
23:14
Speaker 12: So, if we had a Mom Donnie character who is
23:17
Speaker 12: a viable presidential candidate who had these kinds of ties
23:21
Speaker 12: to obvious anti Semites and Islamists and you know, Muslim
23:27
Speaker 12: brotherhood adjacent evil, I would find that genuinely terrifying, so.
23:33
Speaker 2: He describes him as a sinister, none too closeted Islamist,
23:38
Speaker 2: and Sam Harris, who supports a genocide, wants us to
23:40
Speaker 2: know that it's Zorn who's not ethically coosane. I mean,
23:44
Speaker 2: it's it doesn't even make me mad because it's so
23:46
Speaker 2: preposterous that it's just absurd. It would be like arguing that,
23:51
Speaker 2: you know, in reality, Zoron has wings and he can fly.
23:53
Speaker 2: I mean, that's how connected to reality this is. And
23:57
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think it lands with anyone. It apparently,
24:01
Speaker 2: even like you know, Trump, who loves to play all
24:04
Speaker 2: sorts of fear mongering about my God, they are communists,
24:06
Speaker 2: They're they're that.
24:07
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously it didn't even land with Trump.
24:10
Speaker 2: So I can't imagine there are a lot of people
24:11
Speaker 2: out there who are really thinking that Zoron is a
24:14
Speaker 2: sinister Islamist who's really secretly harboring this theocratic agenda. And
24:21
Speaker 2: I love to Ryan how he is, Like what he's
24:23
Speaker 2: really about are all these things with regard to Islam
24:25
Speaker 2: and Israel. It's like, actually, on a day to day basis,
24:28
Speaker 2: what he's talking about is, hey, let's have childcare, let's
24:31
Speaker 2: do buses, let's do.
24:32
Speaker 4: Grocery stores, et cetera.
24:34
Speaker 2: And it was Quomo and his opponents in that race
24:36
Speaker 2: who wanted to make it all about Israel and Zorn's
24:39
Speaker 2: views on Israel.
24:41
Speaker 5: Yeah, Sam Harris has so much contempt and hostility for
24:47
Speaker 5: religion in general and Islam in particular that it really
24:50
Speaker 5: has sent him around the band, and so he doesn't
24:53
Speaker 5: even make sense anymore. Like you you watch that and
24:57
Speaker 5: you're like, this is completely inco coherent, and it forces
25:02
Speaker 5: him to reach to like his wife's Instagram posts, right,
25:06
Speaker 5: which are just condemning genocide.
25:08
Speaker 2: Well, and I like too that that is the old
25:10
Speaker 2: on that whole screen about how he's you know, this
25:13
Speaker 2: this bigot and this Isis's anti semi blah blah blah.
25:17
Speaker 4: He doesn't offer a single example.
25:19
Speaker 2: The only example he cites is some social media likes
25:23
Speaker 2: from Zorn's wife, some of which the posts that they
25:27
Speaker 2: highlighted were when she was like.
25:28
Speaker 4: Fifteen years old. Too.
25:30
Speaker 2: That's the evidence you have for making these really quite
25:33
Speaker 2: extraordinary claims about the mayor of.
25:35
Speaker 4: New York City.
25:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I feel like the moment for this kind
25:39
Speaker 5: of person has kind of passed, Like there was some
25:42
Speaker 5: there was some purchase around this level of hatred a
25:46
Speaker 5: while ago, but I just don't think it's there anymore.
25:50
Speaker 5: And it's like not too closetive. I don't know if
25:53
Speaker 5: he is a secret islamis jahadist or whatever.
25:56
Speaker 11: It's pretty well closeted.
26:00
Speaker 5: School and a lot of people, Yes, that's deep in
26:03
Speaker 5: the closet.
26:03
Speaker 11: Yeah, not fooling Sam Harris.
26:07
Speaker 2: Though, Let's go ahead and get to this Michigan state
26:10
Speaker 2: convention that happened over the weekend, because this also speaks
26:13
Speaker 2: to the future of.
26:14
Speaker 4: The Democratic Party.
26:15
Speaker 2: So the Senate race in Michigan closely watched. You've got
26:19
Speaker 2: Haley Stevens, who is definitely like the Chuck Schumer, a
26:23
Speaker 2: pack overtly Zionist candidate.
26:26
Speaker 4: Okay, so that's her.
26:27
Speaker 2: Then you've got Mallorie McMorrow, who has tried to strike
26:30
Speaker 2: this middle ground and recognizes where the base is trying
26:34
Speaker 2: to signal that she you know, she put on a
26:36
Speaker 2: whole thing. I'm not going to take a pac money,
26:38
Speaker 2: but you guys reported she her team had submitted an
26:40
Speaker 2: a pack policy paper, So she's been trying to kind
26:43
Speaker 2: of like split the difference and find a lane there
26:46
Speaker 2: where she can be not too scary to the you know,
26:49
Speaker 2: more conservatives and also not you know, evil to the
26:54
Speaker 2: rest of the party.
26:55
Speaker 4: And then you've got Abdullah.
26:56
Speaker 2: Sayad who you know, Bernie Sanders supporter medicare for all,
27:00
Speaker 2: out front opposing genocide, you know, being very clear throated
27:04
Speaker 2: about you know, being very clear about all his views
27:06
Speaker 2: on all of those things.
27:07
Speaker 4: So that's sort of the range of the candidates and extraordinary.
27:11
Speaker 2: To see what happened at this Michigan State Democratic Convention.
27:15
Speaker 4: I've been to these things. I'm sure you've been to
27:17
Speaker 4: these things. These are your your you know, rock solid
27:20
Speaker 4: vote blue.
27:21
Speaker 2: No matter who, Democratic activists. The ladies who were like
27:24
Speaker 2: manning the phone banks, and the young people were going
27:26
Speaker 2: out in Field campus like this is the the diehards
27:29
Speaker 2: of the diehards, normy Democrats. Right. Hailey Stevens, who is
27:33
Speaker 2: a sitting member of Congress, Hailey Stevens got booed when
27:38
Speaker 2: she got up to speak. Throughout her entire speech, she
27:42
Speaker 2: was booed by this group of just normal Democratic voters.
27:47
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to how that
27:49
Speaker 2: went down.
27:59
Speaker 4: Here, miss here.
28:14
Speaker 2: So I don't think I've ever seen something like that,
28:18
Speaker 2: like of a sitting Democratic representative who is actively booed
28:22
Speaker 2: at a state convention like this. And then McMorrow apparently
28:25
Speaker 2: was sort of like, you know, she got a decent reception,
28:27
Speaker 2: but then at the end everyone is chanting Abdul and
28:29
Speaker 2: then Abdul just gets this rock star reception where people
28:33
Speaker 2: are going crazy for him, and he had huge crowds
28:36
Speaker 2: and the enthusiasm was through the roof.
28:39
Speaker 11: Yeah.
28:39
Speaker 5: And now, all the way through Haley Stephen's speech, yes,
28:42
Speaker 5: she tried, she tried to use Unite here and other
28:44
Speaker 5: unions as kind of human shields. She kept mentioning them,
28:50
Speaker 5: but you're really going to boot the UAW and booth
28:52
Speaker 5: the Unite here. Who's like, come on, They're like, yeah,
28:55
Speaker 5: we are, no, we're booing you.
28:57
Speaker 11: Yeah.
28:59
Speaker 5: And now it also speaks to l Side's ability to
29:03
Speaker 5: organize his his supporters, you know, because he clearly got
29:07
Speaker 5: you know a lot of those are like his, his
29:08
Speaker 5: people who showed up to this convention. But you're right, like,
29:10
Speaker 5: this is this state party convention, this is this is
29:15
Speaker 5: deeply unusual to have Schumer's candidate, as Schumer's recruited candidate,
29:21
Speaker 5: getting absolutely savaged all the way through. Now, there was
29:24
Speaker 5: there was also a critical attorney general race at this
29:28
Speaker 5: convention between the Oakland Oakland County was kind of the
29:34
Speaker 5: Oakland County UH prosecutor was the kind of McDonald was
29:39
Speaker 5: her name, Karen McDonald actually progressive prosecutor when she first ran,
29:42
Speaker 5: I think like Sorows backed and like in that in
29:44
Speaker 5: that wing. But this time was the known as the
29:47
Speaker 5: establishment candidate had the support of all of these kind
29:51
Speaker 5: of Michigan Board of Regents people who, if you remember,
29:55
Speaker 5: during the twenty twenty four encampments, worked with Dana Nessel
29:59
Speaker 5: to smear and then try to prosecute a whole bunch
30:02
Speaker 5: of these with felonies on these student protesters.
30:06
Speaker 11: That that fell apart.
30:07
Speaker 5: Dana Nessel then you know, came under a lot of
30:11
Speaker 5: criticism for that, and then it created this giant thing
30:14
Speaker 5: where you'd a her fight to shed with Racheata to
30:18
Speaker 5: leave and Jake Tapper UH and so that that candidate lost,
30:22
Speaker 5: that that prosecutor lost the attorney general nomination. But even
30:27
Speaker 5: worse for them, this guy Jordan Acker, who was one
30:30
Speaker 5: of the leading kind of regents pushing to have these
30:32
Speaker 5: students UH prosecuted, was challenged by a dearborn attorney Amir Mahled,
30:42
Speaker 5: who in the days leading up to the race was
30:46
Speaker 5: you know, the Detroit News and others came after him
30:48
Speaker 5: because he had retweeted Canice Owens calling Israeli's demons and
30:56
Speaker 5: what they said was praise for Husslin Asrala and Hesbola
31:00
Speaker 5: and he beat Aker at this convention.
31:03
Speaker 11: Well, so.
31:05
Speaker 5: Now Accor himself is facing this massive controversy from this
31:09
Speaker 5: Guardian report where a bunch of his like really foul
31:12
Speaker 5: slack messages emerged, just kind of gross stuff across the board.
31:18
Speaker 5: That so that certainly hurt Accer as well. But yeah,
31:23
Speaker 5: if it's not enough to like link somebody to like
31:27
Speaker 5: hesbal and Candice Owens and knocked them out, he's still
31:30
Speaker 5: knocked out this border region Canada at this very convention
31:34
Speaker 5: that you guys saw there.
31:35
Speaker 2: I don't think that a lot of Democratic electeds have
31:38
Speaker 2: really grappled with how much the base has shifted.
31:41
Speaker 4: And this isn't I see all.
31:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see all kinds of cope on the timeline now,
31:46
Speaker 2: but oh this isn't representative and blah blah blah. It's like,
31:49
Speaker 2: you know, these are your normy Democratic voters, right, this
31:54
Speaker 2: is a sign and Harry Enton just did a piece
31:56
Speaker 2: last week of like, there is.
31:57
Speaker 4: No divide in the Democratic Party on Israel.
31:59
Speaker 2: There is a divide between the base and leadership, but
32:02
Speaker 2: in terms of where the base is, there is no
32:05
Speaker 2: divide with regard to policy on Israel, Apak, Palestine, Middle
32:09
Speaker 2: East more broadly. And so you know these you are
32:13
Speaker 2: going to have a recond that you're having that recon now.
32:15
Speaker 2: I was thinking about the fact too, it was just
32:17
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two when Haley Stevens won in a primary
32:21
Speaker 2: against Andy Levin and who was more progressive and it
32:26
Speaker 2: is like a liberal Zionist, and she was able to
32:30
Speaker 2: defeat him, I think pretty soundly in that primary that
32:33
Speaker 2: was just four years ago. To show you how quickly
32:36
Speaker 2: there's no way she wins today that primary.
32:38
Speaker 4: REDI not a chance she.
32:41
Speaker 2: Wins a Democratic primary against him in the you know,
32:43
Speaker 2: in these conditions.
32:44
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I think that's right.
32:45
Speaker 5: And that was such a pivotal race too, because Andy
32:48
Speaker 5: Levin was a Synagogue president called himself a liberal Zionist,
32:53
Speaker 5: but would always defend Rashida Teleieb and ilhan Omar against
32:57
Speaker 5: charges of anti Semitism and saying no, they they have
33:00
Speaker 5: legitimate serious criticisms of Israel that need to be listened to,
33:05
Speaker 5: and you should not be smearing them for them, because
33:07
Speaker 5: they are right about what they're saying here one, two
33:10
Speaker 5: and three. And Apak was very explicit that they considered
33:14
Speaker 5: him a more serious threat in some ways than Rashida
33:18
Speaker 5: talib Anian Omar because of the credibility that being a
33:22
Speaker 5: Synagogue president gives you on that issue, and so spent
33:24
Speaker 5: millions backing Stevens over him. But I think you're right
33:28
Speaker 5: that he would win. And this is the Levens dynasty,
33:31
Speaker 5: like that's that's not a small thing. Sandy Levin, Karl Levin,
33:35
Speaker 5: like the they go, they go way back in Michigan.
33:38
Speaker 5: So to be able to knock him out was a
33:41
Speaker 5: real flex of their power that I don't think they
33:43
Speaker 5: have anymore. And I think that And you talked about
33:46
Speaker 5: the Jesus Christ statue with Emily earlier, right, So that
33:50
Speaker 5: happened in southern Lebanon, and I think a lot of
33:52
Speaker 5: the Democratic voting base is a lot more sophisticated about
33:55
Speaker 5: this stuff right now.
33:56
Speaker 11: They actually a lot of them know.
33:59
Speaker 5: That Hezbola was born out of this Israeli occupation of
34:03
Speaker 5: southern Lebanon, and so it's like this guy is saying
34:07
Speaker 5: nice things about Heswel, people are like, wholl, maybe Israel
34:11
Speaker 5: shouldn't be occupying southern Lebanon, destroying statues of Christ, blowing
34:16
Speaker 5: up using white fosphorus, blowing up villages Christian and Muslim.
34:22
Speaker 5: And so the charge that he said something nice about Heswel,
34:26
Speaker 5: it doesn't land the same way when people have a
34:29
Speaker 5: more fulsome understanding of who Hesbel is resisting.
34:33
Speaker 2: I think it's also just the charge of anti Semitism
34:37
Speaker 2: has been so overplayed that, you know, it unfortunately becomes
34:42
Speaker 2: almost like a badge of honor, like, oh, if you're
34:45
Speaker 2: being smeared, you probably did something right. You probably did
34:48
Speaker 2: something morally courageous. Because that's the upside down that we
34:52
Speaker 2: live in now, where if you dare to oppose the
34:55
Speaker 2: genocide and say, hey, we shouldn't be sending you know,
34:59
Speaker 2: bombs and bulldoz to murder people and destroy entire villages,
35:03
Speaker 2: then you get tagged as an anti semit So I
35:06
Speaker 2: think that's part of what it is too, is you know,
35:08
Speaker 2: in a similar way that I'm not equating the two,
35:11
Speaker 2: but in a similar way that for a lot of people,
35:13
Speaker 2: the you know that the hated media establishment hated Trump
35:17
Speaker 2: and that these like liberal villains hated Trump. That was
35:20
Speaker 2: a signal to them, Oh, this guy must be pretty
35:22
Speaker 2: good then if he's pissing off all the right people.
35:24
Speaker 2: I think there's a similar dynamic here too of like, oh,
35:26
Speaker 2: you're pissing off the right people, you must be the
35:29
Speaker 2: candid for me. And I do think that the whole
35:31
Speaker 2: Hassan Piker Freakount manufactured Freakount because Abdulla sided brought him
35:37
Speaker 2: in to have a rally and there was a whole
35:39
Speaker 2: like do you condemn Hassan Piker and Mallary mcmorro threw
35:42
Speaker 2: in with Hailey Stevens and the side that said no,
35:44
Speaker 2: we should not associate with Hassan Piker. I think that
35:47
Speaker 2: has really backfired. You know, it's it is given Abdul
35:51
Speaker 2: a lot of momentum because it clarified for people where
35:53
Speaker 2: everybody stood in the race, and the Democratic base is
35:56
Speaker 2: looking for Canada's like Abdul and Mallari mcmorrop to that
35:59
Speaker 2: point had done done a good job of being like,
36:01
Speaker 2: I'm more or less like with him where he is,
36:04
Speaker 2: and you know, that kind of revealed it's an issue
36:07
Speaker 2: where it's hard to straddle the line, and it revealed Okay, no,
36:10
Speaker 2: she's on that side. So we're consolidating behind Abdul and
36:14
Speaker 2: he is the one, if you believe the polls, that
36:16
Speaker 2: has all the momentum in.
36:17
Speaker 4: The race's right now he was you know, hanging in.
36:20
Speaker 2: There in third, but like pretty close behind, but in
36:23
Speaker 2: third consistently in the polls. Now he's either he's you know,
36:26
Speaker 2: more or less tied for the lead with her and
36:28
Speaker 2: is gaining steam at obviously the most critical time as
36:32
Speaker 2: you had into primary day.
36:33
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we talked about this last week. We did
36:36
Speaker 5: that poll with drop Site ands of Tao where we asked, basically,
36:41
Speaker 5: is a packet proxy for you? And if somebody is
36:46
Speaker 5: willing to stand up, if somebody is not willing to
36:48
Speaker 5: stand up to APAC, do you think.
36:49
Speaker 11: That they will sell you out on other issues?
36:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, And something like seventy plus percent of Democratic primary
36:54
Speaker 5: voters we're like, yes, that I agree with that statement.
36:57
Speaker 5: So people are like, oh, this is just a foreign
36:59
Speaker 5: policy issue, just a few million people over in the
37:01
Speaker 5: Middle East. No to them, to them, you know, we're
37:04
Speaker 5: busy people. It's hard for us to figure out, you
37:07
Speaker 5: know who we can put our trust in to represent
37:09
Speaker 5: us in Washington. And so you need to look for
37:12
Speaker 5: these clues.
37:14
Speaker 4: It's a signal of character.
37:15
Speaker 11: For a while, it used to be medicare.
37:16
Speaker 5: If they say they support Medicare for all, that's going
37:19
Speaker 5: to cost them a lot of corporate donors.
37:21
Speaker 11: And that's a signal to me of where they stand.
37:24
Speaker 4: Yep.
37:24
Speaker 5: And so even if you already had health insurance, wasn't
37:26
Speaker 5: your number one issues? Like, Okay, I get it. I'm
37:28
Speaker 5: with this person over here because they said that. Now
37:32
Speaker 5: now it's this, I will not take a pack money.
37:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, And one last thing on this, because I'm also
37:36
Speaker 2: seeing a lot of commentary of oh, Jewish democrats are
37:38
Speaker 2: politically homeless. It is disgusting and just incorrect to assume
37:43
Speaker 2: that all Jews period support the murderous, genocidal actions of
37:48
Speaker 2: the Israeli terror state. I mean, that is actually anti
37:51
Speaker 2: Semitic and disgusting and just actually it's just not true.
37:55
Speaker 2: There was a poll recently that came out about how
37:57
Speaker 2: a large percentage of Jewish Americans also oppose a pack
38:01
Speaker 2: and are looking for candidates that pose a pack and
38:04
Speaker 2: refuse their dollars. So people need to stop with this nonsense.
38:08
Speaker 2: I mean, historically, Jewish Americans have been some of the
38:10
Speaker 2: strongest supporters of civil rights, of social justice, of universal
38:15
Speaker 2: human rights, and that tradition, you know, continues to this day.
38:19
Speaker 4: Not saying that it's uniform across the board.
38:22
Speaker 2: Of course, there is a lot of pro Israel sentiment within,
38:25
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, this is like a culture that
38:26
Speaker 2: you're raised in and that's going to have an impact,
38:28
Speaker 2: there's no doubt about it. But to paint with this
38:31
Speaker 2: broad brush and sale, well, Jewish democrats are politically homeless
38:34
Speaker 2: now because we've got candidates who refuse to support a genocide.
38:36
Speaker 4: I think it's just utterly disgusting.
38:39
Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and talk about these AI
38:42
Speaker 2: avatars that are now being used to push the Iran war.
38:48
Speaker 4: So as the.
38:48
Speaker 2: Number of actual, real life human being supporters of the
38:52
Speaker 2: war and Iran on the American side dwindle, Apparently that's
38:56
Speaker 2: not a big problem because you can just use AI
38:58
Speaker 2: to create fake humans push your pro war propaganda. Let's
39:01
Speaker 2: go ahead and take a look at some of the
39:03
Speaker 2: characters that are being created.
39:04
Speaker 13: If this offends you, good, keep scrolling. But if you
39:07
Speaker 13: love Trump, you just gained a follower hit follow. If
39:12
Speaker 13: this offends you, good, keep scrolling. But if you love Trump,
39:15
Speaker 13: you just gained a follower hit follow. If this offends you,
39:19
Speaker 13: good keep scrolling. But if you love Trump, you just
39:23
Speaker 13: gained a follower hit follow. If this offends you, good,
39:27
Speaker 13: keep scrolling. But if you love Trump, you just gained
39:30
Speaker 13: a follower hit follow.
39:33
Speaker 4: It is not too sophisticated there.
39:35
Speaker 2: I would say, for people who are just listening, you've
39:37
Speaker 2: got like very beautiful women who are all in like military,
39:42
Speaker 2: either like casual or actually in uniform, and they're obviously
39:46
Speaker 2: all saying the exact same line.
39:47
Speaker 4: It's very totally offended.
39:50
Speaker 2: Very awkward caidence, very awkward cadence there too.
39:53
Speaker 4: If this offends you, keep scrolling.
39:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is I don't know, it's it's both
40:01
Speaker 2: very scopian and bleak, and also kind of pathetic because
40:06
Speaker 2: the Trump coalition is really falling apart at this point,
40:09
Speaker 2: and the you know, Iran pro Iran war coalition never
40:13
Speaker 2: really existed to begin with, so it feels like, you know,
40:16
Speaker 2: this is kind of last ditch effort to gump some
40:19
Speaker 2: sort of public support.
40:21
Speaker 5: The problem is, of course, it's gonna They're gonna get
40:23
Speaker 5: so much better like, Okay, they're they're like embarrassingly bad now. Yeah,
40:28
Speaker 5: but pretty soon it's going to be pretty hard to
40:31
Speaker 5: tell the difference between you know, real people and fake
40:37
Speaker 5: ones on there. People already have a very hard time
40:41
Speaker 5: telling the bots from real people, and then the real
40:47
Speaker 5: people start acting more like bots.
40:49
Speaker 11: True as it just kind of.
40:51
Speaker 5: Infuses the and wet and we all get dumber. And
40:56
Speaker 5: if and if your sense of where the public is
41:00
Speaker 5: on an issue comes from your interactions online, what happens when.
41:07
Speaker 11: You can't tell.
41:08
Speaker 5: Whether something's real or not and you're just getting bombarded
41:12
Speaker 5: by these beautiful women telling you that your your position
41:16
Speaker 5: is correct.
41:18
Speaker 11: And that you just gained a followers? How did that happen?
41:23
Speaker 11: How do I get a follower?
41:25
Speaker 4: Yeah?
41:25
Speaker 2: It's well, and it's we're already at the place where, look,
41:29
Speaker 2: it's easy for us to look at these because this
41:31
Speaker 2: is part of a news article about how these are
41:32
Speaker 2: fake and be like, oh, these are obviously fake. But
41:35
Speaker 2: it is already at the point where it's hard to tell.
41:38
Speaker 2: It's already at the point and to your point, and
41:41
Speaker 2: also to your point where the humans are behaving enough
41:43
Speaker 2: like bots where it's difficult to distinguish between bot behavior
41:46
Speaker 2: and human behavior because we're all such like so many
41:50
Speaker 2: like mindless sheep out there who would post something like this.
41:54
Speaker 5: And it also allows real things to be covered up.
41:58
Speaker 5: So yesterday, you know, we talked earlier in the show
42:02
Speaker 5: about the the Israeli soldiers smashing the Statue of Christ
42:08
Speaker 5: and Southern Lebanon units to raw.
42:09
Speaker 11: We posted that.
42:11
Speaker 5: After he posted, I reached out to him, It's like, hey,
42:13
Speaker 5: you know, can you show me where this came from originally?
42:16
Speaker 5: And he showed me the account and so it's like, oh, okay,
42:19
Speaker 5: this is this is definitely one hundred percent real. So
42:22
Speaker 5: I shared that and I reported this is this is real.
42:24
Speaker 5: I've confirmed this. And even despite that, and despite people
42:29
Speaker 5: knowing that I'm a journalist with twenty years of history
42:32
Speaker 5: of getting things right, a lot of people were like, no,
42:35
Speaker 5: it's not it's Ai.
42:36
Speaker 11: Groc says it's Ai. This chatbot says it's Ai.
42:39
Speaker 5: And I bet there are still people to this day today,
42:44
Speaker 5: despite n Yah who coming out and confirming that it's
42:47
Speaker 5: real and apologizing for it, are still saying it's Ai.
42:50
Speaker 7: Yeah.
42:51
Speaker 5: So and the better that AYI get, then the more
42:54
Speaker 5: it's going to give people the ability to just say, well,
42:59
Speaker 5: this thing that I don't want to confront politically is AI.
43:03
Speaker 5: And if people won't do that, you can have AI
43:05
Speaker 5: bots come out.
43:07
Speaker 11: And say that this thing is AI. Yeah.
43:09
Speaker 5: And so if if it's impossible to understand what the
43:12
Speaker 5: true will of the people is, how do you how
43:15
Speaker 5: do you have how do you allow people? How does
43:19
Speaker 5: that become expressed publicly? Like what is a democracy? Like
43:22
Speaker 5: what are the forms of democracy that can even exist?
43:24
Speaker 5: If you don't have any idea of what's what the
43:27
Speaker 5: what the will of the people is and what's producing
43:30
Speaker 5: that will, how do you measure it? So, yeah, this
43:35
Speaker 5: is like the beginning of the end of like an
43:37
Speaker 5: error kind of thing.
43:38
Speaker 2: Remember Trump saying that the pro Iranian government celebrations in
43:42
Speaker 2: the streets were aim.
43:45
Speaker 4: Very possible. He actually even though The.
43:47
Speaker 5: New York Times had a reporter there filming it. Yeah, yeah,
43:51
Speaker 5: he probably might have believed it.
43:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, so very not at all hard to imagine the
43:56
Speaker 2: president of the United States getting taken in by AI
43:59
Speaker 2: scams and believing you know whoever is telling Oh, that's
44:02
Speaker 2: not real, that's fake. You know that, don't worry about that. Actually,
44:05
Speaker 2: they're on the verge of collapse and so even someone
44:09
Speaker 2: who should have access to like the best information on
44:11
Speaker 2: the planet is you know, boomer adult like brain who
44:16
Speaker 2: wants to believe whatever he wants to believe and is
44:18
Speaker 2: easily taken in by this crime. So no, you're we're already,
44:22
Speaker 2: we're already through the looking glass. We're already in the
44:25
Speaker 2: dystopia or all of the you know, images of horror.
44:29
Speaker 2: Your example of the desecration of that Jesus statue is
44:32
Speaker 2: a perfect one, but there were so many times over
44:35
Speaker 2: the course of the gem side in Gaza where the allegation, oh,
44:39
Speaker 2: this is stage, this isn't real, this is.
44:40
Speaker 4: AI, et cetera.
44:42
Speaker 2: And if you're a person who doesn't want to believe
44:44
Speaker 2: that Israel is capable of these horrific crimes, that's a
44:48
Speaker 2: very comfortable space for your brain to go in. And
44:50
Speaker 2: then you can just any images you see that don't
44:52
Speaker 2: accord with the way you want reality to be, you
44:55
Speaker 2: can just easily dismiss, dismiss the mush to the.
44:57
Speaker 5: Side yep, yep, exactly, And whether you believe it's a
45:01
Speaker 5: or not, you can just claim you do.
45:03
Speaker 11: And then just move on.
45:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've got the actual AI that is deceiving people.
45:08
Speaker 2: You've got the allegations that real things are AI that
45:10
Speaker 2: are deceiving people, and no one seems to be really
45:14
Speaker 2: leading the charge to do anything about the complete destruction
45:17
Speaker 2: of any sort of shared sense of reality in our society.
45:21
Speaker 2: And at the same time, you want to put E
45:23
Speaker 2: three up on the screen just because again this is
45:26
Speaker 2: very tied in with what's going on with AI and.
45:28
Speaker 4: The development we're at.
45:29
Speaker 2: The job market in Hollywood is completely collapsing. Now, this
45:33
Speaker 2: is not all AI. There's a lot that's going on
45:35
Speaker 2: there that we could have Griffin.
45:36
Speaker 4: On to talk a lot about.
45:38
Speaker 2: But one thing that is also very likely to upend
45:42
Speaker 2: this entire significant industry that is the major cultural It's
45:46
Speaker 2: important culturally obviously for sort of like American soft power
45:50
Speaker 2: around the world, but also just important as an industry
45:53
Speaker 2: that creates jobs in America and creative output. AI is
45:56
Speaker 2: going to be very transformational there. And we're also already
45:59
Speaker 2: seeing the way with you know, programmers coming out of college,
46:02
Speaker 2: the way those jobs are being destroyed. So all kinds
46:05
Speaker 2: of negative impact already showing up in the numbers.
46:10
Speaker 5: Yeah, Hollywood was already facing Hollywood and Los Angeles facing
46:14
Speaker 5: this kind of ghost town problem before a I really
46:19
Speaker 5: picked up with you know, whether it was Atlanta or
46:22
Speaker 5: Canada or around the world, you know, picking up shoots
46:25
Speaker 5: and editors working around the world to then also have
46:32
Speaker 5: kind of the back end production mostly eliminated automated. Yeah,
46:37
Speaker 5: what like I mean, Los Angeles still have beautiful weather.
46:40
Speaker 5: But other than that, what's it going to do? Like
46:45
Speaker 5: who's who's going to clean your mansion? Like what this is?
46:50
Speaker 5: This is heading in a really dark direction unless something,
46:55
Speaker 5: unless people kind of grab control of it.
46:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, and actually value like human creative art and output.
47:02
Speaker 2: Which sorry, unfortunately there's not a lot of side of
47:05
Speaker 2: given the amount of slop that's already consumed and celebrated.
47:10
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and turn to what's going on in Cuba.
47:13
Speaker 2: You know, we don't want to lose sight of that,
47:14
Speaker 2: given that Trump continues to make threats there and insist that,
47:18
Speaker 2: you know, after Iran, whenever that concludes, he's going to
47:20
Speaker 2: turn his eyes to Cuba.
47:24
Speaker 5: According to new reporting from Zatao and also confirmed by
47:27
Speaker 5: USA Today, Cuba could be next Donald Trump, saying they
47:31
Speaker 5: might hit it on the way back from Iran, but
47:34
Speaker 5: sources telling Zatao and also USA Today that serious military
47:39
Speaker 5: plans are being drawn up a foreign assault on the island.
47:44
Speaker 5: President Trump himself was asked about you know how significant
47:50
Speaker 5: the planning is towards that type of military action. Let's
47:54
Speaker 5: take a look at how he parses what he's planning
47:56
Speaker 5: to do with Cuba.
47:58
Speaker 3: There have been reports that the Pentagon's preparing for military
48:01
Speaker 3: action in Cuba?
48:02
Speaker 4: Are those reports true? As Cuban?
48:04
Speaker 6: Next, Well, it depends on.
48:08
Speaker 9: What your definition of military action is.
48:11
Speaker 4: Would it look like Venezuela or Iran?
48:14
Speaker 6: Really it does.
48:15
Speaker 9: It depends on what your definition of military action is.
48:19
Speaker 7: As Bill Clinton would say, you understand that now that
48:22
Speaker 7: a lot of people don't understand that.
48:24
Speaker 5: Joining us to discuss this is drop sites. Latin American
48:27
Speaker 5: Bureau Chief Jose Luis Granado's say, Jose Lewis, thank you
48:31
Speaker 5: so much for being Herejse just got back from Havana
48:35
Speaker 5: yesterday on a reporting trip.
48:37
Speaker 11: Thank you for being here.
48:39
Speaker 6: No, absolutely, thank you so much for the invitation.
48:41
Speaker 5: Yeah, So what is the what was the mood on
48:45
Speaker 5: the island when it comes to the question of whether
48:49
Speaker 5: or not there's going to be.
48:52
Speaker 11: An American assault?
48:55
Speaker 10: I will first begin by saying that, you know, I
48:57
Speaker 10: talked to dozens of Cubans, from you know, hotel workers,
49:01
Speaker 10: to people on the street, to people engngaged in private businesses,
49:05
Speaker 10: to young journalists, government officials. Overall, the message from the
49:10
Speaker 10: Cuban population is that they want to have a peaceful
49:14
Speaker 10: coexistence with the United States. They want to have a
49:16
Speaker 10: positive relationship. They know that it's possible because it happened
49:19
Speaker 10: before there was this diplomatic breakthrough with the Obama administration.
49:23
Speaker 10: Obviously we know that Trump reversed that and then Biden
49:26
Speaker 10: kept it largely in place, and then Trump comes back
49:28
Speaker 10: and is actually doubling down on this policy and now
49:32
Speaker 10: of course engaging in direct threats, threats of war.
49:35
Speaker 11: Right.
49:35
Speaker 10: I think we shouldn't, you know, dance around the fact
49:38
Speaker 10: that this language is very bellicose. You know that, you know,
49:41
Speaker 10: when US officials are asked about a potential military aggression,
49:44
Speaker 10: when they say, well, it depends what you mean, it
49:46
Speaker 10: doesn't really matter how they want to parse it. An
49:49
Speaker 10: aggression against Cuba is an active war, but you know,
49:52
Speaker 10: and the Cuban population wants peace. But the other thing
49:55
Speaker 10: I would say is that there is an incredible determination
49:58
Speaker 10: by the Cuban population to resist, to defend their country
50:02
Speaker 10: to defend their sovereignty. You know, they're in these negotiations
50:06
Speaker 10: with the US government. They call them talks dialogues, because
50:09
Speaker 10: of course Cuba says, we're not going to negotiate our
50:11
Speaker 10: political system, We're not going to negotiate our sovereignty, but
50:14
Speaker 10: we want to find a peaceful resolution to this, a
50:16
Speaker 10: diplomatic solution to this. But I think they also want
50:21
Speaker 10: to send the message to the US government, to the
50:23
Speaker 10: Pentagon that this won't be easy, that this won't be
50:27
Speaker 10: you know, a simple operation, that if they do engage
50:30
Speaker 10: in an act of war against them, that they should
50:33
Speaker 10: expect the entire Cuban population to resist. And that's because
50:36
Speaker 10: that's their military doctrine. It's called the war of all
50:39
Speaker 10: the people. And so you can talk to members of
50:41
Speaker 10: the Cuban militia, members of the Cuban on forces, but
50:44
Speaker 10: even ordinary citizens who understand that there's a place for them.
50:47
Speaker 10: And this is overwhelmingly the attitude of the Cuban population
50:51
Speaker 10: that they're willing to put their lives on the line
50:53
Speaker 10: to defend their country in the face of an aggression.
50:55
Speaker 10: And so I think there's been you know, many military
50:58
Speaker 10: experts talking about them. This calculation that the United States
51:01
Speaker 10: made when it comes to Iran engaging in aggression and
51:04
Speaker 10: receiving what arguably was an unexpected response. I think that
51:08
Speaker 10: would be similarly the case of Cuba, just a really
51:12
Speaker 10: firm determination by the Cuban people to defend their system
51:16
Speaker 10: and yes, their socialist model. That is something that is
51:19
Speaker 10: also part of the discourse that we're hearing from the Cubans,
51:22
Speaker 10: from government officials but also from the population.
51:25
Speaker 6: They defend their system.
51:26
Speaker 10: They're proud of it, you know, being in Cuba and
51:29
Speaker 10: experience sing Down on the first hand, I hadn't been
51:31
Speaker 10: in twenty years, so it'd been a long time.
51:33
Speaker 6: You know. That drive, that.
51:37
Speaker 10: Passion that they have is still so present to share
51:41
Speaker 10: everything that they have, despite what admittedly and everyone else
51:45
Speaker 10: will all tell you this, there are very challenging circumstances
51:47
Speaker 10: on the island right now.
51:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jose Luise, it's important that we know what kind
51:52
Speaker 2: of hotel you stayed in and also whether Hassan Piker
51:55
Speaker 2: was anywhere nearby before we can really discern the importance
51:59
Speaker 2: of your reporting here.
52:00
Speaker 4: Now.
52:01
Speaker 2: I am curious that what we're what are the conditions
52:03
Speaker 2: on the ground, you know, day to day has there
52:05
Speaker 2: been an easying. I know, some fuel and supplies have
52:08
Speaker 2: been able to get in, so so what we're able
52:10
Speaker 2: to witness in regard to that, you know.
52:13
Speaker 6: The situation is dramatic. It's very difficult.
52:16
Speaker 10: You know, I was there attending the Patria Colloquium, so
52:20
Speaker 10: fifth one that they've had, and this one was held
52:22
Speaker 10: in very challenging circumstances. But despite that, you know, what
52:25
Speaker 10: we saw was a very well run operation. People really going,
52:29
Speaker 10: you know, all out to try to perhaps insulate us
52:33
Speaker 10: a bit from the realities. But of course it's undeniable, right,
52:36
Speaker 10: you know, there were power outages in the middle of
52:38
Speaker 10: a presentation and we'd all have to patiently wait and
52:41
Speaker 10: wait for the power to come in or the generator
52:43
Speaker 10: to kick in, so that you know, the microphones would
52:45
Speaker 10: work again and people would be able to participate in
52:47
Speaker 10: the event. You know, I stayed if you want to know,
52:50
Speaker 10: BASEO REFORMA So I'm a Mexican citizen. I don't have
52:53
Speaker 10: to run my hotel stays by the US government. I
52:56
Speaker 10: don't need to listen to those rules. I can stay
52:58
Speaker 10: wherever I want, and you know it's a modest hotel.
53:01
Speaker 10: But even then, right because it happens to be next
53:03
Speaker 10: to a hospital, it counts on a regular supply of electricity,
53:06
Speaker 10: but you cross the street and the streets.
53:09
Speaker 6: Are blacked out because there is no power.
53:11
Speaker 10: Right you know, I expect that the young of that
53:15
Speaker 10: little bit of fuel that was able to come in,
53:18
Speaker 10: some of it was allocated to us so that we
53:20
Speaker 10: would make sure that we had you know, diesel for
53:22
Speaker 10: the generators. But you know, there was this one moment.
53:25
Speaker 10: I went out one night to go to the corner
53:27
Speaker 10: store and there was one single light post that had electricity,
53:31
Speaker 10: and of course all of the young people from that
53:34
Speaker 10: neighborhood were gathered there playing football in the streets. Because
53:37
Speaker 10: when there's no electricity, when it's too hot to stay
53:39
Speaker 10: inside your home, when there's you know, no radio to
53:42
Speaker 10: listen to, no TV to watch. You know, Internet is
53:44
Speaker 10: very limited because of the lack of electricity. It's not
53:48
Speaker 10: because of government censorship. You know, people get together and
53:51
Speaker 10: do what they can, and there's an extraordinary resilience amongst
53:54
Speaker 10: the population.
53:55
Speaker 6: To do to do what's best.
53:56
Speaker 10: But you know, they will tell you the situation is
53:59
Speaker 10: very challenging and the capital in a lot of ways
54:02
Speaker 10: is under the best of the circumstances on the island. Right,
54:05
Speaker 10: if you talk to people who've been able to go
54:07
Speaker 10: into the provinces, they'll tell you it's not just about
54:09
Speaker 10: having our you know, a couple of hours of power
54:12
Speaker 10: in the day. It's we're talking about a couple of
54:14
Speaker 10: hours of power throughout the week. You know, people will
54:16
Speaker 10: settle an alarm, or they'll make sure to leave their
54:18
Speaker 10: lights on in case the power comes up in the
54:20
Speaker 10: middle of the night. They wake up and they go
54:23
Speaker 10: and you know, do what they need to do, run
54:25
Speaker 10: the washing machine, right like whatever requires power to charge
54:29
Speaker 10: up their equipment in the middle of the night, because
54:32
Speaker 10: that's the only way it's possible.
54:33
Speaker 8: Right.
54:33
Speaker 10: It is a very challenging circumstance. But I do think
54:36
Speaker 10: one thing I wanted to mention is just you know,
54:38
Speaker 10: there's this saying that the Cubans use. It's something I've
54:41
Speaker 10: actually carried in my heart for a very long time,
54:43
Speaker 10: which is that it's not about giving what's left over,
54:45
Speaker 10: it's about sharing what we have. And even here, right
54:48
Speaker 10: international guests come to visit, you know, they did everything
54:52
Speaker 10: they could to share the little that they have to
54:54
Speaker 10: make sure that the event could happen smoothly. But even
54:57
Speaker 10: you know, the meals were very modest. Admittedly, right, we're
54:59
Speaker 10: talking about you know, basically not enough calories to survive on.
55:03
Speaker 10: You know, this is very very limited. But there they
55:05
Speaker 10: were giving us the little bit of meat that they
55:08
Speaker 10: have access to to make sure that we could be
55:10
Speaker 10: well fed till we could participate in the event. And
55:12
Speaker 10: that is the Cuban solidarity model, you know, and it's
55:16
Speaker 10: true of international events. You know, Ryan was there a
55:19
Speaker 10: few weeks ago for the No Not Many gut gonvoys
55:21
Speaker 10: on a reporting trip as well. You know, I'm sure
55:23
Speaker 10: he saw the same thing of just this willingness to
55:25
Speaker 10: here's what we have. We know it's not a lot,
55:27
Speaker 10: but let's let's let's share it together. And you know
55:30
Speaker 10: that applies into its international policy as well. Right, we've
55:33
Speaker 10: seen this effort to crack down on the Cuban medical
55:36
Speaker 10: doctors program, but that you know, there's a lot of
55:39
Speaker 10: propaganda around it from the US side, saying that it's slavery,
55:42
Speaker 10: you know, that it's you know, it's abusive, that it's exploitative. No,
55:46
Speaker 10: you know, it is Cuba trying to share what it has.
55:49
Speaker 10: What does Cuba have doesn't have a lot of industry,
55:52
Speaker 10: but it does have a lot of doctors, and so
55:53
Speaker 10: it sends them throughout the world. And that is so
55:55
Speaker 10: much of what is representative of the Cuban people that
55:58
Speaker 10: often goes on so much of the mainstream media, that
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Speaker 10: the Cuban people really are, you know, an incredibly generous
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Speaker 10: and loving population who want to talk to everybody who's
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Speaker 10: willing to listen because they understand that those threat is
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Speaker 10: really real.
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Speaker 11: Certainly there is.
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Speaker 5: I was also struck by the level of social cohesion
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Speaker 5: kind of that that remained, because if the US, for instance,
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Speaker 5: was in a state of you know, almost perpetual blackouts
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Speaker 5: for extended periods of time.
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Speaker 11: It would be.
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Speaker 5: It would be a deeply hobsy in situation I think
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Speaker 5: would be confronting. Cubans here in the United States have
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Speaker 5: a slightly kind of different version of solidarity as they
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Speaker 5: as they expressed it. If we can put up F three,
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Speaker 5: this is representative Maria Alvirah Salazar. She was sharing a
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Speaker 5: poll in the Miami Herald that has Cuban Americans differing
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Speaker 5: with non Cuban Americans here in the United States very
56:57
Speaker 5: strongly supporting a military attack on Cuba, whereas Americans other
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Speaker 5: than Cubans very strongly oppose a US attack on Cuban,
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Speaker 5: and she says Cuban Americans are sick of waiting for
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Speaker 5: a free Cuba. The message is clear. The time for
57:14
Speaker 5: change in Cuba is now. A decisive US military action
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Speaker 5: to end the dictatorship has overwhelming support. We've always known this.
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Speaker 5: President Trump knows it, and so does the regime. Freedom
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Speaker 5: for Cuba is closer than ever with or without resistance
57:28
Speaker 5: from Dictator Diaz Canal and the Castro criminal family. So, Jose,
57:35
Speaker 5: you actually interacted a bit with with President d as Canal.
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Speaker 5: What was what was his reaction to the increasingly explicit
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Speaker 5: threats from the US.
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Speaker 10: Similar to the Cuban population, just a firm determination that
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Speaker 10: they are going to resist, and he understands that it
57:57
Speaker 10: could quite possibly mean his life or his freedom.
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Speaker 11: Right.
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Speaker 10: We're not sure exactly what the United States has planned,
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Speaker 10: you know, and the clip you showed at the beginning,
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Speaker 10: there was this mention is it going to be like Venezuela?
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Speaker 6: Is it going to be like Iran? Essentially?
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Speaker 10: You know, we know that what they are likely aiming
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Speaker 10: at is some kind of decapitation, right, but I would
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Speaker 10: say that also the Cuban system is different. It is
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Speaker 10: a system that is very consolidated right where the Cuban
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Speaker 10: Communist Party has very firmly established itself with in terms
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Speaker 10: of all of the different various mechanisms of the state
58:29
Speaker 10: and of society. So even if there is a decapitation,
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Speaker 10: even if they take out the leadership and the next
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Speaker 10: line and the next line, the expectation is and the
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Speaker 10: order the instructions that are coming from the top is
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Speaker 10: that it doesn't matter. That we will put the next
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Speaker 10: person in line, and that next person understands that their
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Speaker 10: responsibility is to continue to resist. You know, obviously we
58:50
Speaker 10: don't know how things will play out, and there could
58:52
Speaker 10: be a surprise, there could be elements that are less faithful.
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Speaker 10: But my sense is that the Cuban leadership understands the states.
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Speaker 10: You know, they understand that this is a life or
59:04
Speaker 10: death scenario. I mean it effectively is already the crisis
59:08
Speaker 10: is serious, and so they understand that it means having
59:12
Speaker 10: to put their lives on the line and ds canl
59:16
Speaker 10: like the Cuban population are willing to say that in
59:18
Speaker 10: those explicit terms, that they understand what it means, but
59:22
Speaker 10: that they have a right to self defense.
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Speaker 6: They have a right to protect their sovereignty and to.
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Speaker 10: Continue to face down these direct military aggressions. They want
59:31
Speaker 10: to emphasize, of course, as always right, let's find a
59:33
Speaker 10: diplomatic solution to this. It is perfectly possible, but it's
59:37
Speaker 10: very difficult to feel like that's possible, especially when you
59:40
Speaker 10: read the reports.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 10: There was this recent report from the New York Times
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Speaker 10: where they say the State Department official told the New
59:46
Speaker 10: York Times that the American delegation insisted that mister Trump
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Speaker 10: was open to a diplomatic solution to the crisis, but
59:51
Speaker 10: signaled that the United States will not tolerate in resistance
59:54
Speaker 10: to its demands, which is to say, I mean, if
59:56
Speaker 10: you come to the negotiating table and you're not willing
59:59
Speaker 10: to concede anything, then you're not really negotiating anything, right.
1:00:02
Speaker 10: You are trying to extort the population through by threats
1:00:05
Speaker 10: of violence. And those threats are real. We've seen them
1:00:07
Speaker 10: play out in Iran, but we've seen them play out
1:00:10
Speaker 10: in Latin America as well. So the leadership has been
1:00:14
Speaker 10: very vehement. And just to close on this, the gathering
1:00:19
Speaker 10: happened to coincide on very important dates in Cuban history,
1:00:22
Speaker 10: so there, of course most of people will be familiar
1:00:25
Speaker 10: with the Bay of Pigs. The Bay of Pigs was
1:00:28
Speaker 10: preceded by the bombing of airports in Cuba, where many
1:00:32
Speaker 10: Cubans died, and it was actually at one of the
1:00:37
Speaker 10: rallies held after that bombing on April sixteenth, nineteen sixty one,
1:00:40
Speaker 10: where Fidel Castro declares the socialist character of the Cuban
1:00:45
Speaker 10: revolution right. He says, this is what they cannot forgive,
1:00:48
Speaker 10: the fact that we are right here under their very noses,
1:00:50
Speaker 10: and that we have carried out a socialist revolution right
1:00:52
Speaker 10: under the nose of the United States. That's true today
1:00:56
Speaker 10: in two thousand twenty six as it was in nineteen
1:01:01
Speaker 10: sixty one.
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Speaker 2: Juse Louise, thank you so much for your insights. We
1:01:05
Speaker 2: really appreciate it's always valuable.
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Speaker 6: Thank you so much.
1:01:09
Speaker 2: All right, before we wrap, had a quick update on
1:01:12
Speaker 2: what we were talking about earlier, the members of the delegation.
1:01:15
Speaker 4: I guess Jade Vance was in. Then he was out.
1:01:17
Speaker 4: Now it looks like he's in.
1:01:18
Speaker 11: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: BBC and others reporting advances on his way to Islamaba.
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Speaker 2: Do you read anything into the inclusion or exclusion of
1:01:26
Speaker 2: Jade Vance signifiance.
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Speaker 5: I do think that his involvement is put gets as
1:01:32
Speaker 5: closer to a deal, because I don't think the Iranians
1:01:34
Speaker 5: take with Kaw or Kushner seriously and assume them to
1:01:38
Speaker 5: be just agents of Nan Yaho and who are there
1:01:43
Speaker 5: to make sure a deal doesn't happen, whereas they do
1:01:45
Speaker 5: think that Vance has his own presidential ambitions that he
1:01:50
Speaker 5: was against.
1:01:52
Speaker 4: The war, also doesn't have the corrupt business ties that
1:01:55
Speaker 4: he does.
1:01:55
Speaker 5: Not have billions of dollars tied up with the golf
1:01:59
Speaker 5: of Pakistan crypto firms or yeah, that Yadahu didn't sleep
1:02:04
Speaker 5: in his childhood bed like with Kushner.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean.
1:02:08
Speaker 2: You do have the Peter Thiel connect, but it's a
1:02:10
Speaker 2: little less. You know, I directly have investments in this
1:02:13
Speaker 2: region that I'm looking after with my decision making as well,
1:02:17
Speaker 2: And not to mention Kushner and whit Coough, I think
1:02:19
Speaker 2: we're unable to just like understand the deal terms before
1:02:23
Speaker 2: the war as well, So I'm sure they take a
1:02:25
Speaker 2: look at that as well. So in any case, we're
1:02:27
Speaker 2: going to be following it closely. As you guys know,
1:02:29
Speaker 2: Sager will be back in tomorrow, so we will track
1:02:31
Speaker 2: all of the latest developments. Thank you to Ryan and
1:02:33
Speaker 2: Emily for combining forces to help us put together a
1:02:37
Speaker 2: great show here. And thank you guys, all of you
1:02:39
Speaker 2: for watching. I will see you back here tomorrow