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#393 It's All About the Screens · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the
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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers now.
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Speaker 2: If you don't have your life in order, what happens
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Speaker 2: on screens accelerates the negative. But if you do have
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Speaker 2: your life in order, it actually amplifies and benefits the positive.
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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mum
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Speaker 1: and dad.
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Speaker 3: Gooday.
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Speaker 2: This is doctor Justin Colson, the author of six books
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Speaker 2: about making families happy and the founder of happy Families
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Speaker 2: dot com dot you oh, and the co host and
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Speaker 2: parenting expert on the Chanlind television show Parental Guidance. I'm
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Speaker 2: here with Kylie, who is pretending not to be sick.
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Speaker 2: How's that going for you?
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Speaker 4: I'm just plodding along. You're going to have to listen
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Speaker 4: to my manly voice today because I don't really have
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Speaker 4: much of one. But we'll get through it.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Well, you're smiling at the moment. That's the main thing.
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Speaker 2: Last night, Parental Guidance. This is the podcast for the
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Speaker 2: time for parent who just wants answers now? And we
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Speaker 2: need some answers about parental guidance. So many things to
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Speaker 2: talk about. Five new families, five new parenting styles. We've
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Speaker 2: got Kevin and Debbie, our tiger parents. They've got some personality,
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Speaker 2: haven't they.
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Speaker 4: I love them in the car the way she is hilarious.
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Speaker 5: Well, I can't find the same road as two on
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Speaker 5: the fine.
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Speaker 1: No, you can look for big rows?
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Speaker 4: Can you see that?
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Speaker 3: Can you see as we go? Can you see puss
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Speaker 3: we go away? Oh no, it is a big rule.
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Speaker 4: She didn't tell us which way to turn.
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Speaker 2: You cannot drive like this.
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Speaker 3: Come on, Clover, I drive eat directs.
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Speaker 5: You just give.
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Speaker 3: Me a little bit of fie, give me a little
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Speaker 3: bit of time, give me.
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Speaker 2: And then we've got We've got Penny and Daniel, our
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Speaker 2: free range parents.
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Speaker 3: Could they be any different to the Tiger parents?
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Speaker 4: As free range parents were always getting them to work
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Speaker 4: out a solution for themselves.
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Speaker 2: We'll just wait here until you let us know which
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Speaker 2: way to go.
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Speaker 4: The kids have never used to Matt, but I'm confident
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Speaker 4: they'll find a way to fix that problem.
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Speaker 6: All right, mate, look out the window and tell me
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Speaker 6: which try you want me to go.
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Speaker 1: Dad goes through it.
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Speaker 5: Thank you.
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Speaker 4: So relaxed, aren't they They're just so relaxed. I love
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Speaker 4: when they're seven year old. Was in the car Julian
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Speaker 4: and he literally just went, we're taking you to buddy.
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Speaker 2: It's just been a fun show. Some pretty serious stuff
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Speaker 2: came up as well, though.
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Speaker 3: Last night.
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Speaker 2: There's Robin Sue who said that they washed their kids'
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Speaker 2: mouth out. So obviously they've only done it once or twice,
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Speaker 2: so let's not pretend that it's happening on a daily basis.
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Speaker 2: But that definitely got people focused on the whole discipline thing.
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Speaker 4: I have to admit I was really really shocked that
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Speaker 4: that still is something that happens. I mean, in my day,
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Speaker 4: that was a given in your day, and it was
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Speaker 4: not a toothbrush, it was a whole cake of soap
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Speaker 4: in your mouth.
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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. Did that ever happen to you?
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Speaker 4: No, I don't think it happened to me.
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Speaker 3: It was just a story that you heard. I mean
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Speaker 3: I've heard.
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Speaker 2: I'd never met anyone who'd actually done it until Robin
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Speaker 2: Sue said that they'd done it to their kids.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just in today's down age. I'm really I
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Speaker 4: was really shocked.
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Speaker 2: But the big issue that came up last night that
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Speaker 2: I think we've really got to spend some time talking
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Speaker 2: about is this issue of screens I mean, we talk
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Speaker 2: screens all the time, but didn't the twenty four hour
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Speaker 2: screen time ban just blow up for some families.
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Speaker 4: Let's start with Rachel, Sam, okay, give me the remotes.
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Speaker 5: No else one day.
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Speaker 4: Don't be silly.
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Speaker 2: Two young kids, pretty miserable. They just want to be
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Speaker 2: able to enjoy their screens. And no screens for twenty
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Speaker 2: four hours. When you're that age, when you're five years old,
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Speaker 2: it feels like forever because twenty four hours it doesn't
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Speaker 2: actually make sense.
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Speaker 4: What was taken out of their control though. There was
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Speaker 4: no autonomy around the decision. It was just literally landed
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Speaker 4: on their doorstep.
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Speaker 2: Not only that, and no transition times, no transition yeah,
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Speaker 2: no time to prepare and get our head around.
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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, here's the challenge.
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Speaker 4: So their response was totally typical of that.
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Speaker 2: Age grad and we saw the same thing happened with
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Speaker 2: Julian Penny and Daniel's seven year old son as a
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Speaker 2: free range parents, this challenge is going to be a
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Speaker 2: real tricky one.
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Speaker 3: We've never had rules around devices today, play fifth.
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Speaker 5: Yels, what is he? Even?
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Speaker 1: What? Friday?
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Speaker 2: All right?
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Speaker 1: Look getting what.
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Speaker 2: Do you want to cuddle?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 3: I don't want to have such a bad day.
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Speaker 2: If you need a cuddle, I'm right here.
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Speaker 4: He is such a classic, a funny kid, great kid,
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Speaker 4: just so funny. They literally that I would like to
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Speaker 4: be a fly on the wall and watch him in
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Speaker 4: a day.
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Speaker 2: So I want to talk about the different approaches of
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Speaker 2: all of these families, but first let's have a look
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Speaker 2: at what happened when Rob and Sue told their boys
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Speaker 2: Fletch and Hudson that there were no screens for twenty
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Speaker 2: four hours.
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Speaker 4: All right, well let's put these away, shall we?
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Speaker 1: So Ba by Bils is relaxing.
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Speaker 5: Actually, I'm enjoying it.
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Speaker 2: I think we've got this.
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Speaker 1: Rawdie's going goodies never has technology.
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Speaker 4: Actually what I just love how screens just they don't
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Speaker 4: even play a part in their lives.
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Speaker 2: So easy, let's go and hang out outside, just like that.
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Speaker 2: Kevin and Debbie are tiger parents with their two kids.
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Speaker 2: I mean, just before we talk about what they did
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Speaker 2: with the screens, how funny I was it when they
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Speaker 2: had to do the whole stranger They're going and doing
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Speaker 2: their first errand and.
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Speaker 4: The conversation they were having on the on the side theirs.
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Speaker 3: Like, I'll just kick them. I've got fists of steel
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Speaker 3: bringing I have to go buy milk out selves. No,
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Speaker 3: I'm not nervous.
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Speaker 1: Mohan packs a very good punch.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, in terms of the way they are so funny,
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Speaker 2: just we were laughing so hard when we saw it
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Speaker 2: for the first time in the studio with the families.
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Speaker 2: But their response to no screens for twenty four hours
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Speaker 2: sound like this, no screen time for twenty five.
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Speaker 4: Hours, no screen time at all. We have said this
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Speaker 4: boundary quite early and now they need to kind of
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Speaker 4: earn their screen time.
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Speaker 3: I had no doubt me, me and Leo.
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Speaker 4: They won't feel much about it.
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Speaker 5: What do I do during this time?
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Speaker 6: Then you'll just read a book.
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Speaker 7: That's a compensation to get a coming bear each you
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Speaker 7: don't need.
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Speaker 2: To be compensated for.
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Speaker 4: And lastly, the one that I think really impacted a
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Speaker 4: lot of people for the same reason because we've all
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Speaker 4: felt this, whether it's been about screens or other parenting issues,
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Speaker 4: was deb single mom homeschooling her kids, and this is
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Speaker 4: how her teenagers responded.
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Speaker 6: I'd like you to think about your your reaction and
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Speaker 6: what that means. Putting a piece of plastic before real
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Speaker 6: life relationships is the reaction of an addict it would
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Speaker 6: be mean for life relationships.
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Speaker 5: I spend time with you guys all the time. I
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Speaker 5: was like, what do you want me to do?
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Speaker 6: I'm asking for your family. Would you accept a challenge
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Speaker 6: for twenty four hours? You're saying you're not addicted, but
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Speaker 6: you can't go twenty four hours without it. That's an
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Speaker 6: addict I'm not having a seventeen year old addicted to
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Speaker 6: a phone.
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Speaker 5: I'm not addicted.
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Speaker 6: I'm struggling to hold back the disappointment that I feel.
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Speaker 2: So that was pretty heavy, pretty and you can see that,
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Speaker 2: like the different approach is right. Everyone who's got young
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Speaker 2: kids they needed some transition time. They didn't get it.
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Speaker 2: The kids were upset. That's pretty standard. You'd expect that,
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Speaker 2: whether it was television or anything. If you tell the
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Speaker 2: kids they've got to give something up and they don't
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Speaker 2: understand why, and they've got to do it for a day,
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Speaker 2: no transition boom, you're going to get that explosiveness. But
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Speaker 2: where it gets really interesting is the age of the
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Speaker 2: kids and what they're using their devices for. And deb
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Speaker 2: has had this really big reaction from her eldest Jess,
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Speaker 2: because she's a teenager. She's seventeen, and.
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Speaker 4: Her phone is her world.
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Speaker 2: Her phone is her world now. Once upart a time
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Speaker 2: I would have said, isn't that sad? But the world's
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Speaker 2: changed since then, and that is actually the reality. Her
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Speaker 2: phone is her world. And I don't think we can
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Speaker 2: go crook on our teenage as a seventeen year old
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Speaker 2: for feeling like that, because, especially as a homeschool kid,
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Speaker 2: that's how she communicates with everyone.
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Speaker 3: It's the social outlet and it's so important. But deb
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Speaker 3: I feel like a failure.
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Speaker 2: I feel like a failure. But basically, everyone's got a
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Speaker 2: different approach when it comes to screens. No matter how
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Speaker 2: many different conversations we have on the podcast about it,
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Speaker 2: everyone does it differently. Penny and Daniel no limits, no rules,
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Speaker 2: just no worries kids, although I reckon that they still
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Speaker 2: would have some rules. Robin sus by the way, very
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Speaker 2: very disciplined. The rules matter when it comes to screens,
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Speaker 2: and we need to talk about that. Let's talk about
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Speaker 2: why that matters and what boundaries we could be setting.
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Speaker 4: Shop, It's the Happy Families podcast, the podcast for the
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Speaker 4: time poor parent who just wants answers now. And I've
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Speaker 4: almost reached my end.
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Speaker 2: It's really hard to do it. Job man, to just
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Speaker 2: do all the talking for the second half. Would that
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Speaker 2: be helpful? You just looked at your face. You try
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Speaker 2: to put a smile on your face. Podcasting when you're
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Speaker 2: not feeling well is not the best idea. So let's
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Speaker 2: talk about let's talk about getting things right. What I noticed,
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Speaker 2: Kylie with the conversation about screens, which really did dominate
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Speaker 2: the show last night, was you've got Robin Sue who
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Speaker 2: are really as school teachers. They're saying, we've seen the
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Speaker 2: problems that happen. We're trying to balance safety because kids
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Speaker 2: can get up to some no good stuff on screens,
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Speaker 2: and screens can be dangerous. But also so Robinson are
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Speaker 2: really trying to give their kids exposure to a full
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Speaker 2: and balanced life.
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Speaker 3: I mean they want, but they.
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Speaker 4: Look like they don't live in suburbia.
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Speaker 3: No, they've started. They live in the beautiful Barossa in
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Speaker 3: South Australia.
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Speaker 4: And so they've intentionally made decisions that have for all
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Speaker 4: intents and purposes, squashed squeens, squashed squeeze, squashed screens, and
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Speaker 4: they have it for them. And these kids are not
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Speaker 4: missing out, No, not at all.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 4: Then you have Daniel and Penny, who's literally this free
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Speaker 4: range style of parenting allows their children to have screens
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Speaker 4: at their fingertips whenever they want.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 4: But in saying all of that, like you said, there
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Speaker 4: must be some rules, like we've only seen snippets of
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Speaker 4: their life.
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Speaker 2: Penny and Daniel as well, they use screens to connect
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Speaker 2: like they're actually spending time together. But yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 2: we've got to get this balance right when we look
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Speaker 2: at the research. In fact, a brand new study I
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Speaker 2: literally just had this land in my email in the
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Speaker 2: last couple of days. Really captured my attention. This is
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Speaker 2: a study that has come from the UK and it
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Speaker 2: investigated forty thousand gamers and what they found, in a nutshell,
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Speaker 2: is that time spent playing video games doesn't really impact
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Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form well being. There's just
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Speaker 2: no impact on wellbeing. Now, there's a few issues with
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Speaker 2: this study. The first one is that the average age
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Speaker 2: of the game was thirty four so well, because grown
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Speaker 2: ups play games more than kids these days. But basically,
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Speaker 2: playing games isn't affecting well being, not nearly as much
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Speaker 2: as missing out on sleep, or not eating well, or
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Speaker 2: not moving your body or not catching up with people.
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Speaker 2: So if you can live a whole and balanced life,
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Speaker 2: then playing games or being on screens, or even catching
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Speaker 2: up with your friends on social media, it's not going
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Speaker 2: to have any significant ramifications on your well being.
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Speaker 4: But the reason these become a problem is because people
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Speaker 4: can't moderate it.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
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Speaker 2: So if you don't have your life in order, then
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Speaker 2: what happens on screens accelerates the negative. But if you
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Speaker 2: do have your life in order, it actually amplifies and
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Speaker 2: benefits the positive.
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Speaker 3: So what our job as parents is is to be
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Speaker 3: aware of the risks.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so there's safety risks, there's identity risks, there's explicit
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Speaker 2: material risks, and there's the risk that the screen can
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Speaker 2: become the focus of our lives to the point where
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Speaker 2: or our children's lives, to the point where they no
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Speaker 2: longer do the stuff that matters, like moving their bodies,
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Speaker 2: catching up with friends, playing their musical instruments, enjoying their
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Speaker 2: other pursuits and spending time around the dinner table or
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Speaker 2: the game's table with their family. But if we can
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Speaker 2: get the boundaries right, then they can use screens in happy,
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Speaker 2: healthy ways. Oh, by the way, one of the really
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Speaker 2: quick point that's worth highlighting, most of the families have
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Speaker 2: got young kids, so they're not using screens the same
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Speaker 2: way that Deb's children as teenagers are using their screens.
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Speaker 2: I do need to highlight one other thing as well,
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Speaker 2: and that is that one of the biggest risks that
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Speaker 2: I'm seeing as I'm talking with families and getting feedback
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Speaker 2: from schools is that children from around about the age
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Speaker 2: of nine and ten now are getting caught up in
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Speaker 2: some of the most hideous I can't even begin to
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Speaker 2: tell you how hideous the content is that they're sharing
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Speaker 2: with one another, the things that they're saying to one
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Speaker 2: another in chats and messages and on snapchat and in
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Speaker 2: their various media platforms that they shouldn't even be on.
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Speaker 2: So there are risks, and we need to make sure
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Speaker 2: that our kids are okay. So setting boundaries is what
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Speaker 2: this is really all about.
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Speaker 4: So where would you start if you have screens in
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Speaker 4: your home and there haven't been any boundaries or you
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Speaker 4: haven't been successful in setting boundaries for your family.
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Speaker 2: Well, I heard doctor Lisa de Moore say this the
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Speaker 2: other day, and she's so right, and I want to
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Speaker 2: emphasize it because it was so well said. She basically said,
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Speaker 2: when you're setting boundaries with your kids, whether you're doing
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Speaker 2: a reset or starting all over, you start really strong
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Speaker 2: because from that point you're going to consistently seed territory
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Speaker 2: as your child gets older. Like wherever you stake that,
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Speaker 2: wherever you put that flag in the ground, you can
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Speaker 2: guarantee that the tide's going to come in and knock
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Speaker 2: the flag over, and you're going to have to keep
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Speaker 2: on putting it in further and further and further out.
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Speaker 2: So I would say that for younger kids, set the
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Speaker 2: boundaries really clearly. We don't have screens except for these
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Speaker 2: times or where we've got to do all of these
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Speaker 2: other things. First, be really really clear about that gets
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Speaker 2: is in order at the outset, and that will help
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Speaker 2: you to move things along. But do it in a
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Speaker 2: do it in an empowering way. What do you think,
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Speaker 2: how are we going to work this out together? Guide
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Speaker 2: your children through the process, rather than autocratically saying it's
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Speaker 2: my way or the highway.
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Speaker 3: This is what's going to happen.
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Speaker 4: So one of the things that we've done to kind of,
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Speaker 4: I guess, introduce screens and then kind of work through
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Speaker 4: the rules with our kids is we've had a family device. Yes,
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Speaker 4: so you know, our ten year old doesn't have her
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Speaker 4: own device. And I think that sometimes parents are giving
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Speaker 4: children devices.
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Speaker 2: Way to way to Earth, which brings up another question
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Speaker 2: at what age And I would just say delay to later, lad,
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Speaker 2: lay later, lay, But there's a caveat around this as well,
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Speaker 2: and that is that there comes a time when not
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Speaker 2: having a device becomes a bigger problem than having a device.
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Speaker 2: Once your kids are at a point where they're being excluded.
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Speaker 2: Once because when kids are organizing something on Instagram in
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Speaker 2: their Instagram chat, if somebody's not in there, they don't think, oh,
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Speaker 2: by the way, we should just send a text message
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Speaker 2: to their mum and make sure that their mum invites
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Speaker 2: them to come and do this with it, Like twelve
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Speaker 2: year olds aren't thinking about that. To thirteen year old
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Speaker 2: aren't thinking about that, and not the twelve year olds
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Speaker 2: should be on Instagram, by the way, But there comes
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Speaker 2: a point where the social benefits of having the device
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Speaker 2: outweigh the negatives around risk and.
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Speaker 3: Other concerns.
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Speaker 2: So we've watched it happen around about the age of fourteen.
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Speaker 2: Thirteen to fourteen in our experience has been the kids
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Speaker 2: kind of they start to miss out at that point,
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Speaker 2: and I think that it's worth them having one then.
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Speaker 2: But that's where you say, if we give you this,
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Speaker 2: there are times and places for it and times and
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Speaker 2: places not for it. So it's an absolute no no
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Speaker 2: for bedtime or in the bedroom, or at the dinner
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Speaker 2: table or at the dinner table that's my other big one,
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Speaker 2: or in the.
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Speaker 4: Car or in a family outing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So when we're having family time, there
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Speaker 2: are no devices. And I'd probably keep it pretty simple
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Speaker 2: like that and then just monitor from a timing point
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Speaker 2: of view, monitor the content, have the conversations, and go
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Speaker 2: from there. And I think that those kinds of guidelines
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Speaker 2: are probably going to keep most parents out of trouble
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Speaker 2: most of the time.
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Speaker 4: So is there anything else that you would suggest to
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Speaker 4: parents to help them with boundary setting?
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Speaker 2: I think the most important thing is to work it
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Speaker 2: out with your kids, sit down and say, we don't
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Speaker 2: really know what the right answers are here, Like, be
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Speaker 2: a little bit vulnerable with them. This is tricky. We
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Speaker 2: know that you've got preferences. You know that we've got preferences.
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Speaker 2: So what are we going to do about it? And
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Speaker 2: hand over the power to them, not to make the
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Speaker 2: final decision, but to have a really strong voice in
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Speaker 2: this and listen to them, but also be really really clear,
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Speaker 2: while ever we're paying for this device, it's ours, and
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Speaker 2: with the guidelines that we're writing down and agreeing to,
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Speaker 2: if you don't adhere to them, we've got to work
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Speaker 2: out what's going to happen as a result.
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Speaker 3: And while my preference is that.
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Speaker 2: We don't punish our kids, we don't take privileges off
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Speaker 2: them and all that kind of thing, eventually they've got
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Speaker 2: to know that if they keep doing the wrong thing,
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Speaker 2: that they might lose the device for a couple of days,
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Speaker 2: or for a week, or for a month because they've
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Speaker 2: got to do the right thing.
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Speaker 4: One of the conversations that we have had regularly with
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Speaker 4: our children that I think has been really powerful is
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Speaker 4: kind of helping them to take a little bit of perspective.
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Speaker 4: And so when they've come to us and said, hey, Dad,
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Speaker 4: I really want to download Snapchat because all my friends
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Speaker 4: are using it. We've kind of asked them to step
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Speaker 4: into our shoes. What if your child came to you
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Speaker 4: and asked you that you're obviously navigating the space already,
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Speaker 4: you've seen it, seeing what's happening, where the dangers are.
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Speaker 4: How would you respond if your child came.
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Speaker 3: It's a favorite.
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Speaker 2: It's a favorite, and the kids usually give us really
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Speaker 2: sensible answers every now and the like, oh, just let
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Speaker 2: them do whatever they want. But when they're not emotional,
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Speaker 2: we get really good responses from them. Hey, guess what
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Speaker 2: I think you made it. Let's wrap this up. It's
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Speaker 2: very no guidances. Back on the Telly again tonight. Can't
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Speaker 2: wait to see the next lot of challenges. We're going
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Speaker 2: to have some really cool things to talk about tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: including how far you should push your kids. That's coming
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