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Empowering Pets: Self-Selection and Natural Remedies for Dogs with Jenny Golsby from The Complete Pet Company · The Natural Dog Mum

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  Hi dog mums and dads and welcome to another episode of the
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  Natural Dog Mum. We're here today with Jenny
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  Goldsby. She is from the Complete Pet
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  Company. Now this lady is somewhat of a
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  Jill of all trades when it comes to natural health for our Papas.
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  She is certified in dog training and behaviour.
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  She also provides nutritional advice and support.
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  And in addition to that, she is also certified in something that
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  is fairly well known overseas, particularly in Europe, but is
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  still sort of becoming known in Australia and that is something
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  called applied Zoo Pharmacognacy.
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  Hopefully I'm saying that right, So stick around and we'll give
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  you all the Goss. Thank you so much for coming on,
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  Jenny, it's lovely to meet you. Thank you for having me.
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  Anytime. I am ABS absolutely dying to get
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  stuck into this because it's an area that, as I mentioned, is
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  really just starting to emerge in Australia, Not a not a stack
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  of people practising it and something that pet owners don't
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  know a whole lot about. I'm still learning myself.
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  So would you like to start us off by telling us what applied
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  zoo pharmacognacy actually is and how that can be used to
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  support your dog's health? Yeah.
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  So I guess we just sort of start from the beginning because zoo
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  pharmacognacy is actually wild animals self selecting.
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  So it zoo pharmacopnacy means animals knowing and and
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  medicinally taking self selecting medicines in the wild
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  to help them when they're not feeling well.
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  So the phrase coined by Caroline Ingraham in the UK is applied
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  zoo pharmacognosine. Now what that actually means is
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  animals that are in captivity. So applied means that we are
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  actually working with those animals rather so than animals
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  actually self selecting themselves.
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  With applied zoopharmacognacy, it means that we're working with
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  nutritional supplements and mainly essential oils,
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  hydraulates and also clays and those types of things.
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  So that's what applied zoopharmacognacy means, which is
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  people get very confused by it. It just means animals that are
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  domesticated are self given the opportunities to be able to self
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  select. Yeah.
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  So can you give us an example of how that would work in practise?
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  Yeah. OK.
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  So it it really is a science and an art.
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  So I think I need to sort of make it quite clear here that a
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  lot of people just seem to think that we can get essential oils,
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  put them down for dogs or other animals and they just sniff the
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  oil. And, you know, that's what we
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  do. You know, we sort of people here
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  that lavender is really good for this or, you know, geranium is
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  good for that. So it is a science.
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  And what we need to do is first of all, be be trained in this
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  area. And it does take a lot of years
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  to do this. So what we're actually doing is
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  we're, you know, depending on the, the animal that I'm working
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  with it, we'd be looking at things like, has the animal been
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  diagnosed with something by the veterinarian?
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  Or is the person just coming to us because the animal has some
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  pain or gut problems or whatever it might be?
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  And then what I'm doing is taking a whole lot of case
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  history on that particular dog or whatever, mainly dogs I work
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  with. And then I sort of go through a
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  sequence of oils, looking at, you know, digestive oils, gut
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  oils, hormonal oils, antibacterial oils, and
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  psychotherapeutic oils. So there's sort of a pattern to
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  what I'm doing. But when I'm offering these oils
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  or supplements, clays or hydraulates, I'm actually
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  looking for signs and signals from the dog to tell me that
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  yes, they're working with that particular component or no,
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  they're not. And so there are a lot of signs
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  that dogs will give us that, yes, they want to stay working
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  with that oil or no, that oil's not quite for them right now.
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  Which is why I'll just sort of say here, it's really important
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  that we never, ever put essential oils on our animals.
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  It's so important, you know, because the example I would give
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  is that I could pull out a bottle of lavender and you could
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  sniff it and say, oh, wow, that that just gives me an A
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  headache. And then I could give it to
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  someone else. And they say, oh, that's
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  beautiful. It's so calming.
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  And then I give it to someone else and it takes them back to a
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  memory that you know of something.
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  So This is why it's so important because in those in a bottle of
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  essential oil, there can be hundreds of constituents.
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  And so the animals actually know what they're looking for in the
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  oil, whereas we we don't know exactly what it is that they're
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  looking for. So we're relying on them for
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  that information. Does that make sense?
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  Yeah, yeah, definitely. So can you give us some examples
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  of some of the ways that the dog would let us know that this is
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  something that they're comfortable with, that they want
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  to keep working with or know this is something that that
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  doesn't suit me or that I'm not comfortable with?
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  Yeah, sure. So first of all, different dogs
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  will work with oils at different distances.
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  So if you're talking about your dolocosyphalics, you know your
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  greyhounds, your long nosed dogs, they tend to work at a, a
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  quite a distance. I've got a greyhound here and
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  she works, you know, she can work anywhere from a a metre or
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  so away. Then you've got your
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  brachycephalics, they'll tend to work a lot closer because you
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  know, they, they'll get the oils right up close to them.
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  And then your mesocephalics, which are, you know, may be
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  working at a, a distance that's a little bit in between those
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  two. But again, it really depends on
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  what's going on with the animal and how much they need the
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  constituent in that bottle. So some of the positive signs
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  that we would look at would be, and there can be many dogs are
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  very different. So some dogs will have quite
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  unique signals. But the main things that we're
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  looking for is breathing. We're looking for eyes, what the
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  eyes are doing. We're looking, you know, they
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  might yawn, they might lick an area, they could point to an
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  area on the body where they would like that oil used
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  topically. They, you know, can mouth, they
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  can actually open their mouth so that they're using the vomal
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  nasal organ rather so than than inhaling it.
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  You know, they they will lie down in sort of the Sphinx
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  position and pop their head between their front legs, which
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  is really a nice positive sign. The ultimate is they flop over
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  onto their side. So we're looking at the whole
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  body. I, I'm really intrigued by dog's
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  ears. I find a lot of dogs will
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  communicate with their ears, letting me know what's positive.
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  And also tails, you know, some dogs, there's quite a few dogs I
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  work with that will flap their tail a few times, you know,
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  which is also a really positive sign.
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  So there can be lots of different ways.
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  I've got a dog that actually walks past the oil and has a
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  sniff and keeps going and then she'll roll on the ground and
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  then she'll come back and have have another sniff.
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  So there is quite a long list of positive signs.
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  Some of them are easy to understand or read and some of
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  them we can miss, which is why I tend to record a lot of my
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  consults so I can go back and have a really good look.
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  Yeah, so now you want to know what the negatives are?
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  Well, it would, it would help to paint a picture, Yes, if you can
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  give. I mean, obviously there's going
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  to be a huge amount of variation because like us, dogs are all
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  individuals, but some of the more common examples.
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  Yeah, so the negatives will be that they'll get up and leave.
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  So this is self selection. We're not holding the dogs
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  there, they're not locked in rooms, we don't make them get on
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  beds or sit on something. They are free to come and go as
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  they please, which is everything that I do.
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  You know, even in my consults with behaviour, it's all about
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  freedom of choice. And so a sign would be that they
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  would get up and leave the room. But it may also be that they
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  just wanna go out and have a wee and a drink of water and process
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  that particular oil and then they might come back and start
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  working again. So that's where you've, you
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  know, the little bit of sort of science and observation comes
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  into that. The other one would be, which is
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  quite obvious is they will get up and actually turn around and
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  lie down and put their back to you, which is a very, very, very
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  clear sign that I've finished working with that particular oil
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  or the session is finished right now.
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  I don't want to do this anymore. I've had my, I've had my take,
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  and I'm ready to now process those particular oils.
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  So what are some of the benefits to the dogs, not just their
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  physical health, but their emotional and mental health in
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  taking this approach? Absolutely everything, anything
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  and everything. So, you know, I can work with
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  dogs with physical problems. Obviously that would be anything
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  from, you know, gut issues through to illnesses, but I also
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  work a lot with dogs that have a lot of emotional issues.
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  So that could be dogs that are reactive, dogs that are lashing
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  out, dogs that are withdrawn, dogs that have post traumatic
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  stress disorder. It, it, it can be any ailment at
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  all. Because I'll give you an
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  example. Rose essential oil can have like
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  over 300 constituents in a bottle, right?
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  So what is that dog actually working with?
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  So a lot of the time it could be physical or it could be
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  emotional and it can, it can become quite confusing too.
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  In actual fact, this little greyhound behind me, Gracie Mae,
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  is a really good example of that.
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  When she came to live with me, she had physical issues, but she
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  also had a lot of emotional issues.
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  And me being a human, thought that I knew best, you know, what
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  she would need first. So I started to work with her
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  with emotional oils and she was just like no, no, no, no, not
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  interested, not interested. And I thought, wow, this is not
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  going very well. I'm going to make a great
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  practitioner. And and then I started to work
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  with the physical oils and she was yes, yes, yes, yes, I want
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  to work with those physical oils.
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  So it was a case of the physical pain that Gracie was in needed
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  to be dealt with first by her before she could then start to
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  delve into all the emotional history that was going on.
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  So it it absolutely anything, these are medicines, they're not
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  nice smelling oils. These are medicines, they're to
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  be taken very seriously. The oils that practitioners use
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  are extremely pure and 80, I think it's around 89% of
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  essential oils worldwide, worldwide are adulterated.
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  So we need to be extremely careful what oils we are using,
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  which is why now I have my own essential oil brand Healed by
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  choice. You know, you can't just pull an
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  oil off a shelf and, and offer it because you've got to make
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  sure that they're fresh and pure.
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  Yeah. Absolutely.
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  So for those of us who were still learning about this
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  process and this technique, what are some of the benefits to the
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  dog or giving them the giving them this level of choice rather
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  than just saying, OK, this is the diagnosis.
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  I know that these oils or these herbs, you know, da da, da, da,
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  da, this is what we're going to do.
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  So what? What are the benefits for the
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  doll in allowing them to be involved in that selection
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  process? Exactly what you said.
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  I mean we can only see what we can see, whereas the animal
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  instinctively knows what they need.
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  So, you know, for example, if I'm somewhere and I see a dog
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  digging in the dirt and eating dirt, then there is a reason for
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  that. And that can be that certain
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  compounds in the soil can be antibacterial when they're
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  eating grass. They could be eating grass for a
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  number of reasons. It tastes good, like there's
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  nothing better than fresh grass after the rain.
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  It tastes yummy. I tend to munch on it as well.
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  But it can also be to help with parasites.
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  Depending on how the grass goes in and which end it comes out
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  will tell you exactly what's going on.
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  Is it a gut thing? Is it a, you know, a parasitic
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  thing? So they, by allowing them to be
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  able to choose, and we should always give animals choice.
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  I mean, what gives us humans the right to make decisions for
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  them? So by allowing them the choice
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  to do this, we allow them to make themselves better.
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  So for example, if I have somebody that comes to me that
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  has a dog that keeps getting ear infections or has an ear
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  infection, I'm not looking at the ear infection.
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  So that's not where I go. You know, I'm not going to start
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  sticking things in the air and, and, you know, saying do this or
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  do that. What I would do is then go, OK,
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  well, the ear is connected to organs in the body.
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  And so therefore I start there with the oils, looking at what's
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  going on internally in the gut, in the microbiome.
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  You know what, what is the, the bacteria overload in the gut.
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  And therefore the dog starts to choose oils and build up a
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  picture for me so I can see exactly what's going on.
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  Rather say the worrying about the ear because the ear is not
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  the problem. Interesting.
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  So in in doing that, in self selecting, they're also helping
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  to provide you with a clearer picture absolutely where the
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  source of the problem is. Absolutely, Absolutely.
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  Yeah. It's sort of like another
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  example I give people to help them understand is when you're
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  not feeling well, when you've got a cold or something like
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  that, you might crave oranges, right?
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  And so you will eat oranges and eat oranges.
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  And, you know, you send your, your partner, your friend off to
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  buy a kilo bag of oranges because that's all you want to
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  eat, you know, And then when you start to feel better, your body
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  says you don't need oranges anymore.
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  And so therefore what happens is someone presents you with an
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  orange and you go, Oh, no, I couldn't eat that.
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  And it's simply because your body is saying what you need,
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  when you need it, how much you need, and now you don't need it
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  anymore. So you know, there's a, there's
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  a system that works with that. It's, you know, it's, it's
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  animals that will self select on things that would normally be
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  something that they wouldn't take.
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  But when they're not, well, they're looking for those
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  particular medicines in that particular plant, yeah.
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  Interesting. So how how did you get started?
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  What what led you to to working in this field?
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  Oh wow. OK, well we'd have to go back a
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  very long way because my background is I.
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  I guess my whole thing started like everybody else's.
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  You know, I had a, a real problem dog.
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  There's a story on the website, you can read about it.
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  But you know, I had a problem dog or what I thought was a
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  problem dog. And I went to trainer after
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  trainer after trainer and I did all things that I shouldn't have
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  done. And I knew instinctively that
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  wasn't right. So I started on this journey of
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  learning more about what dogs are, how they communicate, you
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  know, nutrition and why that's important because this
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  particular dog had skin problems as well.
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  You know, you keep pumping these same things into them that
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  people tell you that you should. And I wasn't seeing any
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  benefits. And, you know, all of this sort
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  of drew a picture for me that the behavioural problems are
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  connected to the nutritional problems and there's so much
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  more going on. So it's a very big picture.
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  I had a dear friend of mine, Eileen McClain, who had a
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  business called Natural Animal Care, and she was an amazing
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  homoeopath. And I worked alongside Eileen
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  for a number of years and she taught me amazing things about
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  homoeopathy. And sadly Eileen passed away.
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  But I was so grateful that that sort of took me on this journey
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  of holistic medicine, I guess you would call it.
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  And essential oils have been in my life for probably, gosh, I
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  don't know, 15-16 years. I've been sort of dabbling
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  around with essential oils myself.
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  And then I just wanted to look more into why animals, why we
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  need to give animals choice and how these issues of illness that
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  we see in dogs can be blamed on nutrition.
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  But it goes a lot deeper than that.
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  And so emotional states of dogs has a has a massive play in that
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  and pain as well. You know, 80% of dogs are
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  suffering in pain. It's huge.
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  And so essential oils then sort of led me on this journey to
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  find out more from Caroline Ingraham.
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  So I'm like you, I guess I started investigating it and I
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  needed to know more. But I also then learned very
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  quickly that this is not something you mess around with.
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  It is a science. And there's a lot, a lot to
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  learn, a lot to learn. So that sort of sent me on a
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  journey to go, OK, well, everything I do is about, you
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  know, behaviour, nutrition, anatomy, because I make
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  harnesses as well that are anatomically correct.
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  Long leads, the DIY mix. And so he'll, by choice,
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  Nature's Pharmacy just sort of, you can't have one without the
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  other. All of those things are so
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  important to have a happy, well balanced animal in homeostasis.
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  Yeah. Absolutely.
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  So now that we're on the subject, do you want to walk us
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  through what you're doing through the Complete Pet Company
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  and your products? I know you.
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  I know you're covering a number of areas.
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  Nutrition is a big one. Yeah, so that same, that same
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  dog, Simba the Dane that I was talking about before with
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  behaviour problems, as we call them, and skin problems.
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  I that's when I started to look into nutrition.
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  So we're going back 30 years at that.
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  And I sort of started to think to myself, you know, this can't
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  be that difficult because the, the body is a motor, just like a
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  car. And if you put good fuel, good
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  water service it regularly, it functions quite well.
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  So I started to look at what what a dog is.
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  It's a carnivore. What does it eat?
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  And then that was back in the day before we had Google, you
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  know, we only had books and then library books and common sense.
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  And so I started to, you know, do a little bit of research and
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  play around a bit. And that led me to having seven
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  extremely healthy dogs. And people in the neighbourhood
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  started to ask me, wow, you know, what are you feeding your
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  dogs? Which led me to start creating
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  the complete meal. I started in my bathtub at home
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  and built a company where I manufactured tonnes of a
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  complete meal and sent that throughout Australia and helped
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  customers. Then I opened my first shop in
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  2009, along with that Cane complete Canine communications,
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  so I was studying and learning about behaviour as well.
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  That sent me travelling overseas for years and years, studying
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  with professionals over there, looking at different ways of
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  working with dogs because in Europe they're definitely ahead
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  of the game very much than we are here in Australia.
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  And that sent me on a journey to learn about language, canine
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  language, which I studied with Turod Rugas, the as
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  International Dog Trainers Education.
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  And I spent two years learning about calming signals and the
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  language of dogs, which is a whole different topic.
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  And that sort of led me on to anatomy, which is why I then
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  created my harness. And then at the beginning of
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  January, I decided that I wanted to close my shop for a number of
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  reasons, mainly because things were just getting so tough.
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  I didn't want to renew my my rent, to be honest.
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  And I just felt, you know, the the market has been smothered
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  with raw dog foods and when you produce something that is so
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  high quality and I am so passionate about the rights of
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  animals, where my meat came from, where my ingredients came
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  from, everything was Australian. My packaging, my tape, my
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  labels, everything was Australian.
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  I just decided it was time for me to sort of move back to my
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  roots. So I closed the shop down and I
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  now work online and I still sell all natural products as I did
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  with the Complete Pet Company. And I also created a couple of
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  years ago a powdered formula called the Complete Meal DIY
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  Mix. And in that is everything that I
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  put into my complete meal raw food apart from the meat.
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  So I can send that anywhere in Australia and you just add that
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  to meat. It's not a Topper.
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  A lot of people are into these toppers, not quite sure what
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  toppers are, but it's not a Topper.
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  It is actually a nutritional mix that has all the vitamins and
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  minerals and nutrients in it, including awful.
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  So it's got everything in there and you just add it to your meat
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  and you've got a raw food. So that's what I'm doing now.
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  And you know, just covering all those bases of, of everything
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  natural and healed by choice. Nature's Pharmacy Applied Zoo.
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  Pharmacognacy fits in there well.
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  Yeah, lovely. And you're doing your consults
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  and you do some courses on different topics as well.
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  I do, yes. I'll be running a lot more
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  courses now that I don't have the shop, but I am actually
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  running one in I think the beginning of August and it it's
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  actually called, I have to look at my notes here because I'm
• 25:54
  still writing it, where 2 Worlds Collide.
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  And that particular course is going to be about canine
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  behaviour and applied zoopharmacognosy and how those
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  two work together. So it'll be a day of canine
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  behaviour and a canine and then a day of applied
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  zoopharmacognosy. It will be on Zoom and extremely
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  interactive. My courses are really casual.
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  We have a lot of fun. I'm very interested in where
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  people are up to, you know, in their lives with dogs and those
• 26:27
  types of things. So that will be the next course.
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  I also have, I run courses on Discover the Dog Within, which
• 26:35
  is pretty intense. You know, I go all right into
• 26:40
  where dogs come from, why they look the way they do, all about
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  language, all those types of things.
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  So yeah. Amazing.
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  So for anyone who wants to have a look at your products, have a
• 26:53
  look at your courses, get in touch with you, where is the
• 26:57
  best place? Online to find you Yep, if you
• 27:01
  go to completepet.com dot AU that's my website, you'll find
• 27:07
  absolutely everything there. There's a different tab for
• 27:12
  everything. I'm still updating it from my
• 27:14
  physical shop to online, but you'll see my courses services.
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  There's some ebooks there that you can buy, which are, you
• 27:24
  know, nice little cheap ebooks. You can also subscribe to my
• 27:28
  newsletter and get a free ebook as well.
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  And then I send out information about the courses and what I'm
• 27:35
  actually doing. So complete pet.com dot AU.
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  Of course, you can also follow me on social media, Instagram
• 27:44
  and Facebook. And that's just the complete pet
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  company. I'm not that difficult to find,
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  I don't think. Amazing.
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  Thank you so, so much for spending the time with us today.
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  It's it's such a fascinating subject.
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  You could you could talk about it for hours and hours, couldn't
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  you? Well, I could, yeah.
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  I love it. I love all of it.
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  I love how it all works together.
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  And yeah, applied to Pharma Cognosy I guess in Australia is
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  probably to most people quite new, but it, it, it, it really
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  is an incredible modality, absolutely incredible.
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  But you know, there are things that you need to learn.
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  And the other thing is too, Sherry, I do do online consults
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  with Applied Zoo Pharmacognosy, but they have to, yeah, there's
• 28:39
  a little kit that I have, they're tiny little bottles and
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  I send that out and that way you've got a basic kit to work
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  with. And I can do that online as well
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  for people that are not, you know, close by.
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  Fantastic.