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Talks to Dylan Rees about his choice of The Tenth Planet (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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None. Hamster with a blunt.
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Pen knife for doing quicker, quicker, quicker.
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That is fair. Well, look, it's all lined up
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here. So that just leads me to say
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welcome back to a hamster with a blunt pen knife, the Doctor Who
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commentary podcast and apologize for anyone listening.
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You've had to hear that four Times Now.
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Exactly. But hello, Dylan.
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Hello. It's far from being all over,
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isn't it? It's far from being all over.
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He does sound a bit drunk in this episode, doesn't he?
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He's probably on the Brandy in between takes.
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Well, we are here for the 10th Planet episode 4.
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I am watching the fabulous animation.
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What are you choosing to watch? I too will be watching the
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animation and we'll get into why I chose this version I think in
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a little bit, but animation all the way.
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Before we do, what do you think of the telesnap reconstructions?
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I think a telesnap reconstruction for 25 minutes of
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Doctor Who is great and I love the effort that goes into them.
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I can't watch a six part story of Telusnap recons.
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Having said that, as a teenager, a very strange teenager, I would
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send away for all the recons and I would spend hours watching
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them. You know, I had them all.
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Fury from the Deep, The Massacre, anything I could get
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my hands on to get closer to those missing episodes?
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Nobody can see, but just down here on this shelf is all the
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Doctor Who DVDs and Marv Rath. I've got all the silver boxes
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and made-up all the covers for all the missing stories that
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he's got all the Tele snap constructions for so.
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What a bloody. I feel as if I've got the entire
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library of Doctor Who, even though I don't.
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I, I love that they go to so much effort to make them as fans
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like when the fan recons were available and now like more
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professionally so on the on the releases.
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But I love the fact we've got the option to have Tele snaps or
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animations because you know, when they inevitably do Dalek's
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Master plan in some form, 12 episodes or nine episodes or
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whatever it is that they're missing is not something I want
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to sit through. A telesnap that you come for.
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Someone's going to jump in now and go.
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There are no telesnaps for for Dalek's Master Plan, but there
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are there's some from the Feast of Stephen.
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Well, I've got a question for the audience, and that is, one,
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what do you prefer, telesnaps or animations?
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And two, could you please, at some point during this episode,
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let us know what you think of the 10th planet and we'd love to
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read out your thoughts. Now spoilers for a future
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hamster book club, but I've read a book recently that has a
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written chapter that's all done and tell us that reconstruction
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form. Genius, isn't it?
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It's Paul Mars. Is it Third degree?
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Is that how you say? I think that's it, yeah.
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Yeah, what a genius. It's so cheeky, honestly.
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Well, look, shall we skip in? Let's do it.
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Shall I can just do regenerations and all other
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minutiae? Yeah, perfect.
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So let's press play in 54321 Go. Mark Cockrum says it's telesnaps
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for him. Telesnaps all the way I am.
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I think this is this is is this planet 10?
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Is that what they call the? Do the animation for this?
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Something like that I can't remember.
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Or planet 30, I don't know. 10th planet animations.
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Oh, they. Anthony Carroll says both.
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I mean, yeah, it's good to have the option now.
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We're lucky to have the option. Exactly, like I know at one
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point they said they weren't going to do them all, but I feel
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like in 10 years time we will have a complete set of Doctor
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Who animations one way or another.
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They may take a little break here and there, but you know,
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soon we'll have the underwater menace and then probably the
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smugglers as well. How exciting.
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The weird thing about the animation of this episode is
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suddenly everything is a little more dynamic.
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You know, the movement, the shots, the effects look a bit
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more impressive, and I don't object to it at all.
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I don't mind them tidying things up for a modern audience.
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I. I think you have to like, and
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it's this thing of if you try and do it exactly like 60s TV on
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the sort of style of animation that they do, you're just going
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to have very static characters because you don't get the
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nuances of performance that you have to make things more
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interesting. I love that Hartnell just
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immediately jumps back into action like.
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He's just. Woke up.
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What's that? What is?
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So next week? OK, I'm awake.
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Now the sets here are they photographs of the actual sets
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sort of blurred out and that they they put the animation.
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Together. Yes, I think.
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I think they are. I I quite like that approach and
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I'm surprised it. Hasn't been.
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I think you can clearly tell when when they're outside in the
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snow, you know that that is. Yeah.
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Well, I mean, it makes sense, doesn't it?
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And then you haven't got to animate the sets.
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So Joe the wedding will cheerfully watch either when it
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comes to telesnaps and animations, Daniel says
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animation for me, although telesnaps can still be quite
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atmospheric. Anthony Carroll goes third most
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important episode in Doctor Who this so I want I'm assuming an
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earthly child, the dialects and this or power of the dialects.
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Come on, Anthony, tell us what the other?
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Two. Yeah, We want to know what one
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and two is. Anthony, come on.
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I I do like the style of animation here.
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I think it's it's here we go And then for Child One and Daleks
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two, there we go. Thank you.
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Well, this is the same people that did the Moon Base.
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Yeah, I believe that's a really popular animation with fans, I
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think. Did they do Reign of Terror as
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well? I don't know whether they did,
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but Reyna Terra gets unfairly maligned, I think.
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I think it's trying to do something interesting with two.
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I'm a big Reyna Terra fan, I'm a big Dennis Spooner fan in
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general, but trying to do something with two.
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Quite filler episodes I would say.
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No, no, I haven't done that one. You know have.
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You not? Oh, I will happily talk Reign of
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Terror with you anytime. Let's talk and I would love to
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talk about animation because I am one of those detractors, so.
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Right, well, right. We'll we'll put it in the diary.
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It's it's it's a little distracting in a way that this
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isn't. Yeah, it feels sort of 60s paced
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enough for me. But then like there, that
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massive close up on his eyes and then the big close up on the gun
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that you just wouldn't have had that, I don't think in that.
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You're you're he's just trying to they're just trying to make
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it more interesting, which I think you have to.
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And I love the little push insurance that they do.
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Now the cyber men look fucking brilliant.
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The the style of cyber men in animation format are amazing.
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And this lovely shot they cut to a few times as the half head of
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the cyber man. It's just brilliant.
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Now I've said this many times, why there isn't a Doctor Who
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animated series, I have no idea. But this the cyber men, if they
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ever do one should surely be, you know, in the running for a
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return. Maybe you watch this space.
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Have you? Well exactly.
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Have you seen the sketches for the abandoned 50th Anniversary
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Doctor animation series, which also features This was all the
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classic Doctors they asked people to pitch and they were
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going to do news stories for classic Doctors and the the the
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artworks out there and but Stephen Moffitt decided he want
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to concentrate on the main show, which he was having enough
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trouble making at the time. And you send send me links to
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those please I'd love to see. I think they're either on SFX or
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Den of Geek somewhere. I'll have to dig them out.
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Did you see when the sideman came in right and he set off his
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crotch light and suddenly all the sidemen were in the
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silhouette? Yes, it looks incredible.
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It's such a great image. When when my crops goes off,
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sometimes I see everything in silhouette too.
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I mean, I've, I've been in your man cave, so I can attest to
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that. So Mark Cockrum says The 10th
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Planet is a fine story for Hartnell's finale.
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Having watched all of the Hartnell era in order, it gave
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me a newfound appreciation for the First Doctor and his
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stories. He also goes on to say the
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animation on this story is absolutely mint.
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Anthony Carroll says Animate Time and the Rani.
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Oh yes, after that soundtrack comes out, that's the next
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project from the 60th. Absolutely.
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I have to agree with Mark Cochran.
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I think it it's a great finale for the era and fitting that
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it's sort of a pilot for the for what's to come as well.
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But Hartnell does not lose his mojo as often reported do.
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You know why I think this is a great finale for the era.
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Like we've talked about how this is a template for what's to
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come. So you could watch this and go,
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oh, well, it's just like so and so.
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But all those stories are to come.
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Yeah. The William Hartnell era was all
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about innovation, experimentation, trying new
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things. And right at the end of the era,
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they tried something brand new again.
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It just so happens to be that was the blueprint going forward.
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Absolutely, and it works. It absolutely works.
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And now, you know, we'd have, you know, Susan would be back,
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Ian and Barbara would be back. It'd be very navel gazing.
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But this is just a brand new Doctor Who story, brand new type
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of Doctor Who story. This is what we're doing.
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And I just love the fact that it's got such big ideas,
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although we sort of mocked it a little bit.
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But, you know, a planet of twin planet coming along, a race of
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cybernetic humans that have replaced their body.
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I mean, they're massive ideas. Absolutely.
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And the my favorite little throwback of the episode is he
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wears the same costume as he wears an Unearthly child at the
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beginning and the end of it. He's got the hat and the cloak
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and you know, it's just a little call.
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That's the. First time I've ever realised
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that. Of course he does, yeah.
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And I think I could be wrong, but I think it's the only two
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stories he wears that get up. Come along Dylan, my child,
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fetch my cloak. Come along, Anthony Carroll says
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8 out of 10 Great, iconic and important story.
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Yeah, I completely agree. First invasion of Earth as as
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what? As DOI as Dalek's invasion of
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Earth was aftermath. Oh, I see what you mean.
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Yes, they'd already, they'd already invaded at that point.
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Yeah, I suppose that is true. I can't think of a another in
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fact, because the war machines is a contemporary sort of threat
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that that, that, that they've set up.
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So. Would you so it just by puko
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still has happened to be the person who did the dialect
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invasion of earth hamster commentary.
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And we talked about that, about how we were coming in after the
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drama after the invasion and how it kind of blunted the the drama
11:18
of that story because of it. But actually this is the other
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side, isn't it? Yeah, probably works better for
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it. I'm.
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Sure, I said it on on the commentary, but my dream Doctor
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Who spin off from the new Disney era of Doctor Who is Doctor Who,
11:33
a Rogue One spin off about the Daleks invading Earth and the
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events that lead up to Dalek's invasion of Earth.
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And then the final episode is sort of a a retelling, but from
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somebody else's perspective of of Dalek's invasion of Earth.
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It's how the rebels fight the Daleks never happened.
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But that's my pitch for a Doctor Who's been off I'm.
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Literally hard right now live on YouTube that's you have to move.
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Over to your only fans, aren't we don't.
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Even don't ask Dylan what his other idea though for ATV show
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is because he wants to. He wants to rewrite Doctor Who
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and start off from scratch again.
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All the. Stories again, but with more
12:12
money. Actually, we were talking about
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that earlier, weren't we? Yeah.
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Very true. All these characters.
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I think the animation here is very expressive in a way that
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they don't always get in some of the modern animations.
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And I think it helps that we've had three episodes of knowing
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what these characters are like before we jump into the
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animation. Now, at one point this was seen
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as like the missing episode that everybody wanted returned.
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I think that has changed a little bit now.
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Would you agree? Yeah, I think so.
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I well, I think because we've got three episodes of roughly
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what this looked like, yeah. And we've got the important bit
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at the end. So what's the?
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Number one now then. I think it's probably Power of
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the Daleks episode one or six. Yeah, I mean, I would, I would
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love to see those more than this.
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Absolutely mine. Unfortunately, mine is the macro
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terror. Anything from the macro terror?
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Did you know this week's rumour that the whole of the Space
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Pirates has been found? Brilliant.
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I would, I bet. Is cruel, I bet if.
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If Space Pirates found it would be absolutely fucking brilliant.
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I've always liked episode 2 and the the soundtrack sounds very
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weird. I remember speaking to Mark
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about this and we were saying, you know, there's that weird
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thing, there's a guy hiding under a table, you've got Milo
13:37
Clancy. It's full of great characters.
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Spam me another slice of bread. Now what's his name?
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The other fellow? Milo Clancy.
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List 79. List 79.
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Yeah, that guy. What?
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Are you doing in the facility of Video 41?
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Oh. Daniel Rawnsley says 10th Planet
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is a huge piece of Doctor Who history introduces so many new
14:02
things, even as an era comes to an end.
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Nothing. Not for nothing did Steven
14:07
Moffett pay tribute to it so many years later for his last
14:11
story. Absolutely, Absolutely, Markham.
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'S got another comment there if you're watching now do the lads
14:20
a favour and give it a like and feed the algorithm.
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Feed the algorithm. Yes, thank you very much.
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Thanks Mark. And yes, please do give give us
14:29
a like and we should also chat about we should chat at Mark's
14:34
podcast as well, which is a wonderful podcast.
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You've been on that, right? All of time and space.
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Yeah, yeah. I no, no, I I am yet to be on
14:42
that. But he's.
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Been on my OH of. Course, that's where it came on.
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And did four naughty episodes of The Horns of Nyman with me.
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Absolutely. So this, I think my episode's
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due out in the next month or two because we did the Wheelers
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Wheel and space on all the time and space.
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And as I mentioned earlier, it was, it was, we had a great
15:01
time, but it's not the most fantastic story to talk about.
15:06
The only thing I get more excited about than Too Hot for
15:08
TV episodes coming out is you appearing on other people's
15:11
podcasts. You know, I think I might be a
15:13
Dylan Reese Stan. Somebody's got to be.
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How are we going to defeat the side men here I.
15:23
I don't don't they just sort of suck themselves to death.
15:28
So they take the action there. What killed?
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Jon Perk we in the end of reportedly.
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Oh, is that right? I think you're talking about
15:35
Patrick Trout at that convention, aren't you?
15:38
Jon Pertwee, I mean, if you listen to the latest episode of
15:42
Too Hot for TV, after the credits, there's a lengthy
15:44
conversation about how Jon Pertwee is room and to have been
15:47
able to suck his own penis. But lowering the tone, Lance,
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lowering the tone. Oh, I like to think it's true.
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Oh, everyone loves the race. Says like Mr. Cochrum of.
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Course, I've got both races as well.
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A double Reese. Reese's, As you might say,
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Reese's Pieces. People are being very indulgent
16:10
with us now, aren't they? Ah, yes.
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Now look, I've noticed how harnesses have become a bit more
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exciting these days. So they're actually built into
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the set, unlike when Barbara and Jenny were holding up their own
16:21
restraints in Dalek Invasion. Yeah, very true.
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I I'd love to see a bit more of this cyber spaceship.
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In fact, if there was one thing I wish the episode existed for,
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it would probably be to see the cyber spaceship in action.
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But like the rest of the sets, we know what they look like.
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It's true, it's true. I mean, people want this back
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for the for like the lead up to the regeneration.
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Don't know that's that's. Yeah.
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What's enticing about this SO? Anthony Carroll says 10th planet
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four Planet of the not Planet of the Daleks Power of the Daleks 6
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Daleks master #12 or EOD even. Of the Daleks 7 I believe.
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Even of the Daleks 7. Those were his four.
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He was back. Yeah, I'd take any of those
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something from the massacre or something from the myth makers.
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That's that's what I want. I want the the stories that are
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less talked about a little. I mean, they're all sorts about
17:13
now. Why did?
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A a savages commentary mark recently and looking at those
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Tele snaps I'm like this looked good.
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I bet if this could, there's the one story that no fucker ever
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talks about is The Savages. Yeah, it'll be on everybody's
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lips if it did now. Did you do it recently or did
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you do half of it recently and the other half six months prior
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or whatever it was you? Really are listening to this,
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don't you? I'm a fan.
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I'm a fan. Oh, I.
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Love how it look even even in the animation.
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The cyber mouths just go. Yeah, I mean, they have to make
17:45
the move slightly more, don't they?
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Because it's animation. No, I don't know when.
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Mondas breaks up is how they could have gone to town and done
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a spectacular sort of animated effect.
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And yeah, what they do is like 3 stills of it sort of cracking a
18:02
bit like an egg. Absolutely.
18:04
Which I think is. Both interesting to look at and
18:07
maybe ish what it might look like at the time.
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I feel like that's when you see the Telusnap that there is
18:13
something like that that happens, Mark Cockrum says the
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massacre is fantastic and so underrated.
18:19
Massacre Four would be an interesting one because just to
18:21
see how they actually filmed that actual massacre.
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Mark Cockrum, this is a live invite for you to come on and do
18:29
the Massacre commentary, OK? Because I fucking love that
18:32
story as well. Amazing.
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Amazing. I will.
18:35
I will tune in for that. So the radiation is going to
18:40
kill the Cybermen now, right? That's.
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Right. No, they don't use it.
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Some of them just fall down and die, and then some of them get
18:48
radiation to death. I mean, they they do fall down
18:52
fairly gracefully, but I've recently watched The Five
18:54
Doctors and they get down on that chess board.
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Like they're having a nap. Like they.
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Really don't want to damage those costumes I like.
19:02
The fact they removed the noses from the animated side of men a
19:05
little bit, I, I think that's quite a cool move, just to make
19:08
them look a little bit more alien.
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Do you? Understand why a certain corner
19:13
of fandom gets up in arms about changes made to the animation.
19:19
I've kind of got no time for us. I just think it's about making a
19:25
product that's going to appeal to a wide, not a wider audience
19:28
as in light they're never going to be shown on BBC One, but the
19:31
widest possible audience. So making them more interesting
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I think it is that I've got no problem with.
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And I think it's very narrow minded to think that the 1000
19:41
people that actually care about the changes are the core
19:45
audience for these things. Do you care enough to start a
19:49
crowdfund or ask £100 from people and to make an animation
19:53
where everything's changed? I mean, I'm being naughty now.
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I'm sorry. I mean, look, Ian Levine has
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got. Well done.
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You went straight in there, Ian. Levine has got his followers.
20:06
And if that's how you, what you want to spend your money, you by
20:09
all means spend your money. Do that way, you know, like
20:14
that's not what I do, but I've given my money to all sorts of
20:17
I've spent money on all sorts of Doctor Who shits.
20:19
So it's like there are worse ways to spend your money.
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I like, well, I can't feed myself at the end of the at the
20:26
end of the month, I have to cancel all my Only Fans
20:28
subscriptions. It's outrageous, actually, Carol
20:33
says. Long arms is my gripe.
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Oh. Of the animations, there's a
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couple it's. Mainly Fury from the deal, isn't
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it, Mr. Tickle? Yeah.
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Absolutely. Yeah.
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No, they do look weird. I saw an interview with Gary
20:46
Russell where we talked about that and they weren't supposed
20:48
to be like that, but it was something, I think it was
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something to do with the processing or something of all
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the how they then converted it to sort of, you know, a
20:55
different format that made the arms look ridiculously long.
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But yeah, can. I Ask you, is William Hartnell's
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last line of dialogue. Keep warm.
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It's something like that, yeah. Yeah.
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You won't go out of a line like that now would you?
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No. But I mean, it's it, I prefer it
21:10
to some of the elongated speeches we've had of every
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don't. Eat avocado pear.
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I embrace you. Always use butter, never
21:21
margarine and they. Say that oh, the classic series
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is the more melodramatic. Absolutely, absolutely.
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Mikey Smith has just joined us afternoon.
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Or if Mikey's just joined us for the climax.
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Our hair is fairly adept at that, you know.
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Since you're here, Mikey, I'm going to talk over this episode
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and proposition you live on air. I was talking to Joe earlier
21:47
about QVC and the Tom Baker show that they had on QVC and I was
21:53
thinking I must cover that on Too Hot for TV.
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And Mikey, you would be the perfect guest to come and review
21:58
that. You've got to do the opening.
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Like a QVC opening. Hello and welcome to this hour.
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Today we have Cybermen GIMP masks.
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Now I love the way the Cybermen fall apart here.
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It's I mean when you see the stills and the telly snaps, like
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they just look really creepy. I love the fact that there's
22:20
just they're sort of it's almost like the organic matter
22:22
disintegrates, isn't it? And the the metallic and
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machinery part can't can't function without it.
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There's. Footage of them full.
22:30
Oh no, that's from episode 3, isn't it?
22:32
When they fall down in the snow, Yeah.
22:34
But not not of their actual death.
22:35
But there is there's a telly snap definitely I've seen, I've
22:38
seen that still, I mean. Thank fuck Blue Peter borrowed
22:41
the episode for the regeneration footage.
22:43
Right? Absolutely.
22:45
Imagine if we were speculating all these years with just the
22:48
telly snaps now. I I want to talk about a myth
22:51
about the regeneration process propagated by Annika Wills and
22:55
Michael Cray's that it took ages.
22:57
It didn't. It did not take ages.
23:00
It was actually, you know, they fade between two different
23:03
cameras and the effects I think is on 1/3 camera.
23:05
They did a couple of takes of it and then moved on.
23:07
It was not a lengthy process, but the stories was oh you know
23:11
the technology it was on all day.
23:13
It was, but it just, you know, it happened all day, but it did
23:16
not. Mark Cochran says get Paul
23:19
Wavers from Android to Tara. Tara to guest on because he used
23:22
to be a presenter at QVC. Really.
23:25
Well, do you know who else presented at QVC when I was
23:27
there? Beverly Cressman.
23:30
And what's the face who played Rey and Delta and the Bannerman?
23:34
Oh. Wow.
23:35
Beverly Cressman, For those in the not in the know, is Kate
23:38
Debridge Stewart from Downtime the.
23:40
Original and the best Kate Lee. Period.
23:42
Kate Debridge Stewart. Yeah, Mike said.
23:45
Oh no, go on after you. So lucky to have the
23:48
regeneration itself. One thing that always seems
23:50
weird is the way the Doctor's body is, is prone.
23:55
It's like he's a sorry, I can't. There's something in the way of
23:58
it. It's like he's a rag doll.
24:00
Doesn't quite look Hartnall. Yeah, yeah, I'll get that.
24:05
He like even this, this little clip here, which we've got that
24:09
there's there's a bit of cine footage of it, like he's playing
24:12
the sort of, you know, half dead man very well.
24:16
What I like is where they've got the footage, they match the
24:21
animation perfectly. That bit where he comes towards
24:23
the camera like that, it's exactly like the cine footage.
24:28
So I think they've been incredibly respectful as well.
24:30
Yeah. I mean, this is it's all done
24:33
with love, isn't it? Yeah.
24:34
I mean, he's heading back to the TARDIS with the urgency of
24:37
someone who's got explosive diarrhoea, but you know, it's
24:42
far worse. As a man who loves a karaoke and
24:45
empathon Mikey, since you just joined us, would you care to
24:50
tell us what you think of the temp planet as a whole, please?
24:54
And anybody else who's out there, please?
24:56
We've had. A we've had a few people's
24:58
reviews, but any anybody wants to give us their their final
25:02
thoughts for the day like Jerry Springer it.
25:05
It is AI think it's a quite a a quick climax, if you'll forgive
25:09
me, but that's not really we have.
25:12
Spent together. Yeah, Jesus Christ, I went.
25:17
I'm so no, sorry, but the climax of the story is really this
25:21
isn't it? It's in the TARDIS.
25:22
It's this is the important thing now.
25:25
Anthony Carroll says how much of A shock to the viewers was this
25:28
at the time? Now it was announced in the
25:30
papers, but they're sort of, it doesn't get much column inches.
25:33
You know, it's not like headline news that we get now, so I could
25:37
imagine there are a lot of people that this would have been
25:40
a complete shock to. Yeah, I agree.
25:44
I'd love. I'd love a surprise
25:46
regeneration. I don't.
25:47
Think it would have been a shock because I don't think people had
25:48
a bloody clue what was going on and it wasn't until what came
25:51
afterwards they're like, oh, William Hart was not coming
25:54
back. It might have taken till the end
25:56
of Power of the Darks. Daleks episode 6, Yeah.
26:00
Very true. Or maybe even the.
26:01
Highlanders episode one, yeah. Yeah.
26:03
Now I've always thought limited technology and all, I get it.
26:07
But the regeneration, it doesn't, it doesn't quite look
26:12
like he's changing as much as you would think, you know, sort
26:15
of done in that close up well. They said in the documentary
26:19
their face structure is very similar, so they almost look
26:22
like the same actor. Yeah.
26:24
It's it's quite weird that so it's sort of a cliffhanger and
26:27
you're you're actually sort of going what's happened?
26:29
There's a light come out the doctor, but I don't think
26:31
everybody would have caught on that it changed.
26:35
I do wonder, if not entirely, but part of the reason why J&T
26:40
went for such a different actor each time, was it made that
26:44
regeneration, you know, it was obvious what was going on.
26:48
Yeah, now, So what have we got in the comments?
26:51
Mark Cochran says let's not forget the superior list Shaw
26:53
from Probe When to die. No one could ever forget her.
26:56
Once seen, it could never be unseen climbing.
26:59
Up that lift shaft, now that air ventilation shaft.
27:02
Do you remember? Mikey says, I really like how
27:07
Hartnell takes on the side and then the confrontation between
27:09
them of a highlight of what is a bit of a stood around and
27:12
talking show feels like it lacks variety in settings.
27:16
It is a very claustrophobic, you know, setting.
27:18
And as we said, it's that sort of base and start of base on the
27:22
siege. Daniel says well, here we go the
27:25
long way round. Mikey says, but it's iconic and
27:29
the regeneration is a as an idea is genius at the time was not
27:34
just the at the time was not just to recast a role and not
27:39
explain it. We are so lucky they decided to
27:41
canonize the process. Now that was in this Lloyd
27:43
actually he did that. He just reasoned that if the
27:45
Doctor can travel in time and space, he's not a human and even
27:49
if he was, he can change his appearance so it's in a slit.
27:52
Lloyd, who ultimately came up with the idea of regeneration I.
27:56
Don't think it was even really a thing until it happened again.
28:00
It could have just been something that just happened
28:02
once just to him. Well.
28:03
It's that thing of it happens here and then the next time
28:07
round they do it in a different way.
28:09
The time laws changes appearance.
28:11
So it's it's not said or established until the Pertwee
28:14
era that it's it's regeneration. Is it and?
28:17
When you get to the fucking 80s, mentioning in it every
28:20
regeneration 4th, Goodness me, there's five of me now.
28:25
Everybody's. Obsessed with this Joe Lewellen
28:27
says pretty good Hartnell story. I joined the army in May 87 and
28:32
the uniforms and the haircuts were way off.
28:34
Really good animation in episode 4.
28:38
How did the whole world seem to forget the invasion?
28:41
I mean, that's the the issue with a lot of Doctor Who, isn't
28:44
it? I can.
28:45
Answer that question. No, it was answered in the
28:48
Pandora Opens and The Big Bang. It all fell down Amy's crack.
28:52
Absolutely. I would happily fall down Amy's
28:55
crack. Mikey also says at the time it
28:59
was normal just to recast. Yeah.
29:02
Daniel Rosie says there's a target novel for Power of the
29:05
Daleks prologue where UNIT comes in and clears up the mess at the
29:08
Snow Cab. Yeah, wow.
29:11
I didn't know. That.
29:14
And Mikey points out without a narrative explanation, like like
29:18
Bond, I suppose. Yeah, Bond changes, quota mass
29:20
changes. Isn't it in every quota mass
29:22
serial? They just do it.
29:24
So the fact Mikey's right, the fact that it's part of the plot
29:27
is absolutely, you know, I've been watching.
29:32
A lot of neighbours recently, you know, and everyone's got
29:34
very short memories in that as to what people look like.
29:40
Nell. 'S just been.
29:41
Recast in the new series, Little Nell, she was about a year ago,
29:45
she was only about 6. Now she's about 15 a year later.
29:49
And evil. She's got a fabulous evil plot.
29:52
Every single shot she's looking at them like this.
29:54
You know, like evil eyes. So it is a common problem in
29:57
television? Yes, absolutely.
30:00
Doctor Who's the only show? That actually makes a thing of
30:02
it though, isn't it? Yeah, very true.
30:04
And. I'm very wise, You know, the
30:07
Crown does it even now that every few years they recast the
30:10
Queen and Prince Harry and Philip and everybody else.
30:15
But yeah, Queen Elizabeth, you've.
30:18
Become another popular actress in the Now you're Olivia Coleman
30:24
what's going on there was. Do you remember the most recent
30:29
James Bond film? There was a rumour going round
30:31
in the tabloids that was absolute bullshit that when
30:33
Danny Ball was going to direct it, he wanted to actually do a
30:36
regeneration like like Doctor Who.
30:40
Oh, Mikey says Roseanne and Doctor Who are the only shows to
30:43
make a deal out of the recast. I think Lower Decks, Star Trek
30:47
Lower Decks has had a few things to say about recasting as well.
30:52
Well. Daniel, you know.
30:53
How we end Daniel Dylan, You know Dylan Reece, you said
30:59
you're a. Fan sorry.
31:04
Three things you First off you go.
31:08
So my first. Thing is going to be cyber
31:11
costume designed by Sandra Reed. I'm sure it's an obvious one
31:14
that we're both going to go for, but my God, they look brilliant.
31:18
I love those sock faces. I I love the bulky chest units.
31:22
I love the Flyers, I love the cabling.
31:24
I love the headlamps. It's so 60s but it's such a
31:27
fantastic design. My. 1st is going to be the much
31:31
underrated William Hartnell in this story, who does far more
31:35
than I think people remember. He's especially strong in
31:38
episodes one and two, and I think he he does that frown.
31:43
This really. You really feel like there's
31:45
something very wrong in Episode 4, which is an added layer of
31:48
suspense on top of the danger that the story's already
31:51
presenting. Absolutely.
31:54
The next thing I'm going to go for is Innis Lloyd, the producer
31:57
for coming up with the idea of regeneration, for just for
32:01
guiding the show in a new direction and making it more in
32:05
quotes, hard sci-fi, which it's not really, it's still a fucking
32:08
ridiculous show. But I just think Innis Lloyd
32:11
perhaps doesn't get the props he deserves and I think he's
32:14
brilliant. Derek Martinez directed.
32:20
I'll, I say 4, but it's 5. Isn't it because he did mission
32:22
to the unknown as well? Yeah, I think so, yeah. 4.
32:26
Very, very good stories. I think he does a great job of
32:30
this. It's not easy because he's
32:32
shooting in quite a tight set. He makes the sidemen a ghoulish
32:37
and memorable creation, and he he's having to deal with
32:40
Hartnell's health problems as well.
32:43
I especially like the sequences outside in the snow.
32:47
I think they're really atmospheric.
32:48
He does snow again in the Ice Warriors, and I think he bests
32:52
it there because he's got bigger sets and television has come on
32:55
in a couple of years, you know? But yeah, Derek Martinez, I
32:58
think he's always very good. The last story he does is Spear
33:01
from Space, and I think that's probably some of the best
33:03
location, some best direction we ever had.
33:05
So yeah, absolutely. And then I'm going to go for the
33:09
model work after. Actually, I don't know who did
33:11
the model work, but I think, you know, I think this the
33:14
spaceships look great. I think the rocket looks great.
33:17
The the, the little model of the snow base and all that stuff.
33:19
I think it looks really fantastic.
33:21
So more work gets it from me. And then finally, I'm going to
33:25
put in a punt for Polly and Ben, who you were right.
33:29
They're a breath of fresh air when they come in.
33:31
And I think they lead the show too soon.
33:35
Jamie comes in, the focus is off them, but they're they're just,
33:38
they've got a lot of energy. They're very sexy, you know, and
33:41
I know I say that sort of thing all the time, but I don't think
33:44
we've done sex in companions before.
33:47
So they were, they were really sort of kicking Doctor Who into
33:51
the swinging 60s as we're departing.
33:53
Oh, no, we're sort of halfway through, aren't we?
33:55
We're not. We're worried now. 66.
33:58
Yeah, 66 there. You go, We're rocking.
34:00
Through the 60s with Polly and bed actually tonight.
34:03
I do have a question about that for you.
34:05
You know, a bit of unfair to say it live, but who would you
34:08
rather have? Polly or Bend?
34:10
Oh. I mean, can I not be the meat in
34:14
that sandwich? Have them both at the same time?
34:17
Do you know? I think even I'll.
34:18
Go there. Well, they're just.
34:23
Needing me to say thank you so much for coming on today.
34:27
Talking with you is just always glorious.
34:29
Thank you for having me and. Thanks to everybody out there
34:31
who chilled, tuned in and who made their their comments.
34:36
There's lots of lovely people saying lovely things and thank
34:38
yous, but it's been a pleasure to share it with you, Joe and
34:41
everybody else out there. An additional.
34:43
Thank you to those. I know there's loads of people
34:45
that wanted to be here today but couldn't be and so hello to you
34:49
people watching this after the event is going to be here on
34:52
YouTube so you can watch it anytime.
34:54
I hope you enjoy the show. Yeah, and we should also.
34:57
Give a special shout out to Joe Allen, who literally got up at
35:00
4:00 AM because it's in a different country to to come and
35:03
listen to us. That means the world to us,
35:06
Daniel, Rosie says. He loves the live hamster chats.
35:09
Mikey and Janie says awesome, this feels very light.
35:11
I'm stripping the pair of us now, but Mikey and Janie says
35:14
awesome stuff lads. Beebel Pete, fantastic, thank
35:17
you so much. Mark Cochrum.
35:19
Thank you. Splendid chats both of you.
35:21
Well, you can go away with your head big today.
35:23
You know absolutely what a. Lovely bunch of people know what
35:26
head I'm talking about. There Anderson Carroll says
35:28
thanks for the chat been great fun.
35:30
Glad started following hamster this year.
35:31
I'm so glad you did as well. Join us next time.
35:36
I'm going to be doing this with Cy Heart and we're doing a
35:40
spiritual successor to the 10th planet in no way shape or form
35:45
Time and the Rani. Amazing.
35:48
I will be shooting him for that. We'll catch you next time.
35:52
Lads, thank you very much. Thanks everybody.
35:55
How do I turn this thing off? Oh, in stream?
36:00
There we go, There we go. Bye everyone, bye bye.