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Episode 142: Lets talk about the kids. · WASD and Beyond

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  Hello everybody. Welcome back to the episode the
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  WASD and Beyond Podcast. I'm your host, Nick.
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  Accompanying me this week is none other than Luscious Brody.
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  Hi. Hi, there.
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  Hello. When's the last time you heard
• 1:16
  that Luscious Brody? It's been a little bit, I mean
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  it's my username on everything now because of podcasting, but
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  no, it's been a while since then.
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  Anyone has actually called me that?
• 1:27
  Well, I got you on the show. We're not going to get into the
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  topic just yet. I'm going to plug the sponsors
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  in a moment. I'm going to plug the spawn
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  camp, but I want you to plug something that you recently,
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  just what you're starting, what you're doing and what you just
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  put out on the spawn Cam network.
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  Because I think it's sweet, but I want you to explain exactly
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  what it is to everybody who maybe hasn't heard it or doesn't
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  know exactly what you were doing with it.
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  You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. So I.
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  Have gotten into D&DA lot lately.
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  Heavy. And all thanks to to one of our
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  good friends. And then I decided, hey, you're
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  always the DM and never the player, how about IDM?
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  Because D Ming always sounded like a good time to me.
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  And so I started D Ming a campaign and on the second
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  episode we're like, screw it, let's go ahead and record this
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  and. Cuz I knew some friends that
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  wanted to listen to it, cuz they're all into DD podcasts and
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  stuff like that. So we recorded it and I was
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  trying to figure out how to distribute it and the easiest
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  way to distribute it was actually as a podcast.
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  So we created another podcast, even though I'm on a hiatus
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  from. Full time podcasting and it's
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  called Rule for Deception and right now it is currently just
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  my campaign. It's the the campaign I'm
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  running. It's all a post apocalyptic,
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  like kind of real gritty magic doesn't really exist.
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  It's a lot of technology stuff going on, that kind of thing.
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  A lot of Home Rule rules that I've kind of picked up over the
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  years, as well as just some shit that I think makes more sense.
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  And yeah, we're just having a good time with it.
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  It's me and six other degenerates just playing some
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  D&D. It is.
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  I'm not doing a ton of editing on this.
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  It is pretty much you get to listen to us actually play the
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  game. So I cut it at the beginning,
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  cut it at the end. But if you're interested in.
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  In that kind of world, think like Final Fantasy 7 esque,
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  minus some of the guns and and type of shit, but that kind of
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  world setting that's interesting to you.
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  Check out Role for Deception. It'll be kind of a yellow orange
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  background with a cool blue dye on the front, and it should be
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  from the Spawn camp network, so you should see that there and.
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  There's a couple old role for deceptions.
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  That's not us, that's not us. One whole episode so far.
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  Look for the Spawn camp one. Yeah, we'll talk.
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  We'll talk to Noah about getting that all sorted, Yeah.
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  Mr. N designs himself. Well, yeah, right now I threw a
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  pretty quick and dirty logo up just so I could get it out
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  because I was doing it like. 12:00 one night.
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  It's fine, don't worry about it. And I I know it is, but for them
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  this is your first time D Ming right?
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  Yes, this is my first time D Ming.
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  So it the first two episodes have been a little nerve
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  racking, but it's been really fun and I'm having a fucking
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  great time and luckily we have our our normal DM in the party
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  and he's he's a great. Northern Light for me to follow
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  in some of this and also we have another very experienced player,
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  whereas the rest of them are pretty new as well.
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  So it it's a grand old time. I think we're kind of figuring
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  it out. But hey, who knows?
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  See, for me, like with D&D, like I the last time I played D&D
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  before spawn camp and we all got together and we attempted,
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  right. Like D&D is always that thing
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  where you like, you attempt to get a group going and everyone's
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  so into it and so stoked, and then come time to play, there's
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  like half the party goes, dude, I really can't right now, which
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  unfortunately happened to me with your campaign.
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  But I mean, yeah. What happens, dude?
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  Well, I don't think most of the guys know that I'm gonna be
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  hopping in eventually. I'm really excited to kind of
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  spook them when I hop in. But, like, I don't think they
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  know that there's another guy that's probably gonna be hopping
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  in soon, too. You're about to hate people in
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  your first campaign. It'll be fine.
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  It'll be fine. We'll figure it out.
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  You're a madman. But the last time I played D&DI
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  was at like a college. I wasn't attending the college,
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  but I went and played D&D at the college.
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  Yeah, while I knew people at the college, we played D&D.
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  So like, but that was in person. And like we're now in 5E.
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  So, like, some things have changed and like playing online
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  is definitely, you know, something for me you like, get
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  used to and trying to remember the rules and how to actually
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  use my because I'm a paladin in our Knicks campaign and I'm a
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  paladin. That doesn't heal and everyone's
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  like, what are you doing? I'm like, holy shit, I fucking
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  this up royally because I treat my paladin usually as like a
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  warrior with heels. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  You know what I mean? So like I need, I need to sell
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  my role. But anyways, yeah, check that.
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  Yeah, I've gotten entirely I I've played more Dnd related
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  things and done more Dnd related things than I have actually
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  played video games lately. Like I am all the way in and
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  plus Dming if if you don't think you're DM.
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  You absolutely fucking should cuz it is a lot of work.
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  It is. It gives me a whole new like
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  perspective on it. And I'm not saying I want
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  things, but definitely if you have been running a game for a
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  long time, thank your fucking DM.
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  They are putting in the work for sure.
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  I couldn't do it. There's there's there's no way I
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  could do that. It's not in me.
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  Yeah, it's. It's perfect for me because my
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  fucking ADD is like sends me off in a million different
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  directions and then the hardest parts just tying it back
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  together. So I love it though, like it.
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  It is so much fun. I love building the world,
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  creating like cool little traps or neat little things for, you
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  know, the party to run into. It it.
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  It genuinely brings me joy to hear that people enjoyed a a
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  session, so they either love the DM or they fear the DM.
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  So you're tiptoeing right now, and it's only session three
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  right? Session 3 right?
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  They may fear me after tomorrow. Well I'll be.
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  I can't wait to hear that because you're about to.
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  I don't know man. I know how Dms get get you know
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  what I mean? Like just playing.
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  It's like yeah, they start out really fucking cool and it's
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  like, oh hey man, that that's spell you just tried to use.
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  Yeah. You're not set up to use that.
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  And also, I'm attacking you and now you're dead.
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  So figure it out and it's like, holy shit.
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  Yeah, I don't have any intention to doing any of that shit, but I
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  definitely have some difficult sessions coming up for them I
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  could imagine. One of them may not even be
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  possible, and but I have a there's a whole back door for
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  it. It's fine.
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  We got to figure it out. It's cool.
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  It's cool. It's cool.
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  It's cool. It's going to be cool anyways.
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  Please guys, please check out Role for Deception on the Swan
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  Camp network created by yours truly, Brody.
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  Brody Faults created this and I'm very stoked that he is back
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  in some capacity, but we'll get more into that as I convinced
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  him to stay on the podcast for good.
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  network now with a new show role for Deception.
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  You could check that. Are you just what is the
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  schedule like for that? So I don't butcher that for you.
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  I will say if you've ever played D&D before, you know how hard it
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  is to get that many people together.
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  But we are planning on basically every other week.
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  So I think yeah, yeah, it should be about every other week, give
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  or take. And I will typically load
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  probably Mondays I think is when they'll mostly go up.
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  So I'll have that nice and ready and you can listen to it
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  throughout the week. They are long, I will say.
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  I mean, they are, they are chunks and I've even thought
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  about breaking them into sections a little bit.
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  That would be cool. Regardless, for now, this is how
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  it's gonna work. Just for the sake of it, you can
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  pause it and listen to it later. But yeah, it every other week or
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  so. So yeah, the next one should be
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  going up on next Monday, which would be, what is that, the
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  13th? Something like that, bro. 14th.
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  14th of August. Yeah, check that.
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  Check that out. Spawn camp loses 2 shows, we
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  regain another. We're going to grow again.
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  We're going to, we're going to rekindle this fire we've created
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  all together. So yeah, check that out.
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  Hop in the Discord. It's free.
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  There will never be a paid wall. You hop in, you game with us,
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  you watch TV with us, you watch movies with us.
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  You do hobbies with us. We're currently there's a big
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  40K more him 40K sweep happening in the server.
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  Matt's back into it. I'm back into it.
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  Logan's into it. Final bosses into 40K again.
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  Like it's only a matter of time for chaos.
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  Infects everybody in the server and everyone starts getting 40K
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  models. Brody.
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  I can't. No, I can't, he said.
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  He can't. He's like, absolutely not.
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  Sir, I got too much shit going on, man.
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  But dude, you don't need that. Look at this little fella.
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  Come on, man. I still have two Gundams that I
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  gotta build, man, but like, look at this $50 mini.
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  It's sweet. It wasn't 50 bucks.
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  It wasn't no for the whole We're not.
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  We're not doing that today. That wasn't 50 bucks.
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  It was not just being an asshole because Games Workshop prices
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  are fucked. I I will say that their their
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  their prices are fucked. But yes, if you want to do and
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  hang out with us, sweet, come in, enjoy.
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  If you want to listen to Brody's Dungeons of Dragons game, hop
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  in. Listen right?
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  Like that's what everyone's doing in Knicks campaign.
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  If you want to listen, come in, deafen up, mute up.
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  Just listen to the fucking campaign happen.
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  Life I. Did forget to say sorry before
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  you take off your yeah. Not to completely take over your
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  your beginning, but we are going to probably be uploading the
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  other campaign, Nick's campaign once we get going.
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  Are we doing that? I think so.
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  I have to talk it over with him but I don't think he would have
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  a problem with it. But that being said, that is
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  much more of a fantasy based campaign.
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  So if you aren't into the cyber monkey type shit like.
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  That's perfectly fine. I get it.
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  It was just something unique that I wanted to try, and we
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  will be having a an actual fantasy campaign by a much, much
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  more experienced DM. So Fawn Camp presents Dungeons
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  and Disasters with the gang. It's basically what it is.
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  Dungeons and shenanigans, for sure.
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  Dungeons and Matt Grant likes to argue for 45 minutes about if he
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  stole silverware or not. He did.
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  You did steal silverware. He definitely stole it.
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  Yeah, you're a fucking snake. Anyways, so Brody, I brought you
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  on today. I brought you on today cuz we're
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  both 30 and plus now 31. You're 30 years old.
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  We're old. We both have children.
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  Yes. So there's a few things I was
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  thinking about. One I really wanted to tackle,
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  like how gaming and hobbying and just being a part of this, you
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  know what I mean? Like the nerd culture that we
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  are so a part of and that we grew up with and then we held to
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  ourselves how that has changed while having children.
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  Your children are a lot older than mine.
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  Like, you know, Landon's 3 years old, your boys are 11 and eight,
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  right? So like big age difference for
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  you. So like you're able to maybe
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  nestled back into your hobbies. But for me it's one of those
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  things where it's like when and if I have time, if he's being
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  cool that day and all that. So I definitely want to tackle a
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  little bit of that, but I also want to tackle a lot of the
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  stigma that is behind gaming when it comes to children,
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  right? Like from a parent's
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  perspective, that's what I want to tackle first.
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  We'll get into, we'll get into the nasty 1st and then we'll get
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  into the nice at the end. Okay.
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  From a parent's perspective, you know, even growing up like my
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  parents, like, the biggest thing to them was as long as you
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  understand that this isn't real, you can play it.
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  If you can digest this media and you understand that it's not
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  real, you're allowed to digest that media, whether it be
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  movies, music, video games, what have you, right?
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  But in the news, it doesn't matter.
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  CNN, Fox, Newsmax, whatever, whatever news station, as soon
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  as something happens in the country that is traumatic, that
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  is ridiculous. It's always in some fashion
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  pointed towards video games. It's a huge proponent of their
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  argument. Well, it's violence and video
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  games, it's sex and video games, It's this and video games and I
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  think that's very detrimental to non gaming parents.
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  Does that make sense? Like parents who like didn't
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  grow up with gaming like you and I did, and then their kids don't
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  get to experience the worlds that we've experienced, you know
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  what I'm saying? Like that's what, like my
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  thought process on this whole episode was.
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  It's like, you see this shit and yeah, there are games like
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  Manhunt and there are even more. I mean, that's not even like a
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  violent game anymore, right? Like it is.
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  But like play The Last of Us Part 2, right?
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  That is. Manhunt, that was, once you know
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  this, this staple is like one of the most crazy games out there
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  is commonplace, right? Like, that's just another game
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  at this point. Yeah, it's it's it's almost
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  Arcadian, just like cartoonish now.
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  But then you look at something like Last of Us Part 2.
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  That's just like the first game that popped my head because of
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  how visceral it is, right? Like when you kill someone in
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  that game, like, you kill them in that game, Like their bodies
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  react as to someone getting stabbed or shot.
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  But I don't think that video games are really the fucking
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  issue here. No, like, it's not.
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  You know what I mean? Like for me, my parenting is
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  going to go the same as I was parented with Landon, which is,
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  if you understand this, that this piece of media was, is art
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  and was created for you to digest as art, not imitate.
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  You can play it because I can remember fucking loading up
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  fuck, Doom, Duke Nukem, Quake, like Tomb Raider, all these
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  fucking games as a kid and going yeah, it's just, it's it's just
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  a game. I never wanted a fucking.
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  I did want to be a a Doom marine of course.
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  Like, I wanted to go to Mars and kill demons, but I'm not just
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  going to go to the playground and start fucking punching some
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  kid repeatedly in the nose, calling him a demon, right?
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  So like, that's like my, that, that was my question.
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  Do you like, do you at all agree with the correlation that that
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  has any links to what happens, like when it comes to children
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  that are prone to violence? Because that's like the biggest
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  thing to discuss. Like this child was violent
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  because he played this video game or listen to this, or he
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  did that or he did this, you know what I mean?
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  Absolutely not. No, I I think 9 times out of 10,
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  if there is a child that is violent or whatever it may be, I
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  think one a lot of times it's parenting, like quite frankly
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  just not keeping that shit in check, letting them do whatever
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  the hell they want. Like that is usually a problem
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  or mental illness, right? Like I I think those are
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  typically the two things I've coached kids since.
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  My oldest was four years old. I I have seen a lot of kids that
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  have come through different baseball programs, football,
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  soccer, like whatever it may be. And you can tell who has a
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  parent that is actually involved and pays attention to what
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  they're doing and actually, you know, sets boundaries for the
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  children and you can tell who doesn't.
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  And it it's beyond clear. And anyone who says it's because
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  of video games is absolutely fucking wrong.
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  Like I I just there's no if ands or buts about it.
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  Do could they learn a specific move?
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  Like could they learn how to suplex somebody from it?
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  Sure. Would they do something else
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  instead? Yeah they would absolutely
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  fucking walk up and punch somebody in the face.
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  Not even think about it like that is not that is not some
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  That kind of behavior is not learned from video games.
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  But yeah, they could. They could, you know, maybe they
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  played Mortal Kombat and they want to fucking try to throw a
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  chain through somebody. Yeah, they probably learned that
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  from Mortal Kombat, but like, ultimately, yeah, right.
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  But at the end of the day, like it it all boils down to every
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  child that I have seen that has been a bully or misbehaved or
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  something. They have either been told they
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  are the greatest person their entire life, which is a problem
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  as well. And or they have been, you know
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  a lot of times and I this isn't a knock on it but a lot of times
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  coming from a single parent home because this single parent is so
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  damn busy that they have a hard time actually being able to
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  parent. And that's not a knock on single
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  parents by any means or any. Like stretch by, It's difficult.
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  All accounts? That's fucking brutal.
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  I don't wish that upon anyone, right?
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  But a lot of times that's what I see, right?
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  And that's just from my experience with these kids over
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  the years. And I mean that's what 7 years
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  of coaching and and being involved in in a lot of
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  different things or you know even just their friends.
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  And and not to say you know every kid from a single parent
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  or anything is going to have problems like this or or a
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  parent that is completely disconnected that kid is going
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  to have issues like that's not the the thing either but.
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  Those are usually some of the circumstances that are more
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  likely to cause it, and I'm sure there's a lot of people cussing
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  at me right now, but I I it's it's proven like it is a
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  scientific thing. It's like there have been
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  studies all over about this, right?
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  But there has never actually been a study that has been able
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  to link any of that to video games, at least not a
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  comprehensive study that actually had any weight, right.
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  And I mean that's what I was going to bring up to the study
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  because like people like Jack Thompson and we've, we've
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  brought up Jack Thompson before. If you don't know who Jack
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  Thompson is, he was a man. He still is, unfortunately.
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  But he was a person who was prominent and he's a dickhead.
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  He was prominent in the news when Grand Theft Auto was.
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  I mean, I wouldn't say in its heyday, Grand Theft Auto was
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  still a major three in three in San Andreas were the two that he
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  really. Was lobbying against San Andreas
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  more so because when the Hot Coffee mod was figured out, he
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  was like, C told you. But like people are like, dude,
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  I just, I just play the game and yeah, I can bang a hooker in the
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  game. It, I don't know, like it just
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  is what it is. But like going he's he's a he's
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  a dickhead. He's he's one of those people
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  who really pushed forward this notion that video games are the
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  issue. And then Columbine didn't help
• 20:50
  because they're like, well, look, they played Doom.
• 20:52
  And it's like, yeah, they played Doom and listened to Marilyn
• 20:56
  Manson and all this shit, but like, they, that's not what,
• 20:59
  like pushed them. And that's not what pushes
• 21:01
  people. But you brought up the singles.
• 21:04
  Especially that one. Like that very clearly a mental
• 21:07
  health issue. And and and when a lot of this
• 21:10
  stuff was taking off in the 90s and early 2000s, like mental
• 21:14
  health was not at the forefront, like nobody was paying any
• 21:17
  fucking attention to me. It hasn't been until the last.
• 21:20
  5-10 years that mental health has actually been something that
• 21:24
  we're like, oh, no, like, counseling's fine.
• 21:27
  Like it's not a thing for for, you know, I don't know what
• 21:33
  you're right. Right.
• 21:33
  Like like back in the day, that's how they viewing starts
• 21:38
  to kick in. Yeah, like the 90s.
• 21:40
  Like, it was a different time. It was a, oh, you're not a man
• 21:43
  if you go to counseling. And it's like, that's not,
• 21:45
  that's not fucking true, right? Like that is the stigma that
• 21:48
  came with it for forever. And so finally, we're we are
• 21:52
  allowing especially young boys to go to counseling because they
• 21:57
  fucking need it. Like being a teenage boy is a
• 22:00
  goddamn nightmare. A teenage girl is too, but being
• 22:04
  a boy, it's like your head is like boobs, The video.
• 22:09
  Games, violence, video games. Like, yeah, like, that's all it
• 22:13
  is. It is just a constant loop of
• 22:15
  like three things. How can I change the TV contrast
• 22:19
  so I can see Lara Croft's boobs right?
• 22:21
  Exactly but. Yeah, it's it's one of those
• 22:26
  wild things that, you know, the stigmas, the stereotypes, the
• 22:30
  the things from the generation before us that trickled into our
• 22:33
  generation are the things that are haunting us.
• 22:36
  And then now our generations problems trickle into the
• 22:39
  generation following us and now they become their problems as
• 22:42
  well. And it's this vicious cycle,
• 22:44
  right? But like ultimately the we're
• 22:47
  slowly getting better. But you know this this huge
• 22:50
  focus on on the mental health thing is is the best thing that
• 22:53
  could ever fucking happen. Because I I very much believe
• 22:57
  the same thing for the longest time, right?
• 22:58
  Like I've refused to do counsel. I have been to counseling like
• 23:01
  I'm I have no shame saying that. I It was a fucking great thing
• 23:06
  for me and a great thing for my family and I I would never,
• 23:11
  ever, ever fucking shame anybody for doing what they need to do
• 23:15
  to get themselves. That's so dope.
• 23:16
  That shit's fucking dope, dude. That's something I need to look
• 23:19
  into. Hey, better help.
• 23:20
  Let's let's sponsor the I have some issues that your counselors
• 23:23
  would love to hear about as discussed on OBO.
• 23:29
  They're going to raise your premium, my guy, dude, that I'm
• 23:32
  going to have to. They're going to be like, we
• 23:33
  don't have somebody for you right now.
• 23:35
  Sir. You're going to be like, I don't
• 23:39
  know what to tell you. You you, holy shit wounds have
• 23:42
  reopened. You brought up the single family
• 23:44
  household. And so I pretty much from the
• 23:47
  age of, I don't know, like my dad was there a lot, but he
• 23:51
  wasn't mentally. So from the age of like 10 till
• 23:54
  I moved out when I was 16 or so, it was just me, my brothers, my
• 23:58
  mom. And I can remember, like, her
• 24:00
  getting home from work. And we'd be like, yo, like, we
• 24:02
  need entertainment, right? So we'd go to like a blockbuster
• 24:06
  or we would go to somewhere, right?
• 24:09
  And I'd be like, yo, can I get this?
• 24:10
  And without even hesitation, at like 13 and was, yeah, I don't
• 24:14
  give a shit, not out of her not caring, but out of her going,
• 24:18
  yeah, go ahead and get it. But like, she also knew with us.
• 24:22
  Like, we again, we were told this is just entertainment.
• 24:25
  You digest it and it's out of your system.
• 24:29
  But like I it sucks though for a lot of other kids who might not
• 24:32
  understand that. But again, that goes back to the
• 24:36
  parents. It just goes back to the
• 24:37
  parents. It's not the game, it's not the
• 24:39
  the developers, it's not the studios, it's it's the parent.
• 24:42
  Like, hey, this is a product that has a giant letter M on it.
• 24:49
  You, the ESRB was created for a reason.
• 24:53
  It's created for parents to understand this title is OK for
• 24:56
  this fucking kid or this group of people.
• 24:58
  This title's okay for this and this is good for this.
• 25:02
  Yeah, it's a standard that's been around just like the
• 25:04
  parental advisory stick around a fucking CD back in the day, You
• 25:06
  know what I mean? So.
• 25:09
  I'm always amazed at the things that some parents let their kids
• 25:13
  play. Like for me, I mean, I came from
• 25:16
  a very sheltered home like my parents were very strict about.
• 25:21
  Up until I basically became like an actual teenager.
• 25:25
  Then they kind of stopped giving you shit as far as like what I
• 25:27
  played and everything, right? But I mean, I remember I wasn't
• 25:31
  allowed to play like shooting games for the most part because
• 25:34
  oh, blood, blood, blood, blood, blood, you know, and and fair
• 25:38
  enough to a certain extent, right?
• 25:39
  Like they're coming from the generation that didn't know what
• 25:42
  to fucking do with all this. But I also like my kids are 8:00
• 25:46
  and 11:00 and. They don't really get to play
• 25:49
  games that have blood in it either right?
• 25:51
  Like it's just they I I'm not a get like they play Fortnite.
• 25:57
  They have played Fortnite for years and I have never had an
• 26:00
  issue with that. But also like I let my oldest
• 26:04
  play a little bit of Halo, right, Like he's killing aliens.
• 26:09
  But I, I, I think there's a certain point of like one you
• 26:12
  got to know your children and know what they can take, like
• 26:15
  you said earlier, but also I think.
• 26:17
  There's just certain shit they probably shouldn't see before a
• 26:20
  certain age, right? Like, I I wouldn't let my kid
• 26:23
  play GTA. Like, not yet.
• 26:25
  Couple, you know, a handful more years here, like, yeah, you're
• 26:29
  you're going into a high school. You can probably handle GTAI.
• 26:33
  Think you'll be OK? I remember sneaking and playing
• 26:36
  GTA when I was young. Like, it was definitely a thing
• 26:39
  that was cool back in the day, man.
• 26:41
  Oh yeah, but I it it it's a weird it.
• 26:44
  It's very. I won't say that's like an easy
• 26:47
  thing. That is not an easy thing by any
• 26:49
  means. I mean there was we went to
• 26:52
  somebody's house and the the kids were hanging out with with
• 26:57
  these people's older son. He was a little bit older than
• 27:01
  than my oldest and he let him play Mortal Kombat.
• 27:05
  It's like, oh shit. Okay.
• 27:11
  Yeah, I would prefer they didn't at this age.
• 27:15
  And this was even a couple years ago like this was.
• 27:18
  I was one of those things that, you know now I think my oldest
• 27:22
  could take it. Probably okay, but I still would
• 27:25
  prefer you not like how much MK. I think it was 10.
• 27:30
  So the one with like the fucking X-ray and all that.
• 27:32
  Yeah, yeah, grabbing hearts and getting people in the nuts and
• 27:36
  they pop. And so when he came out and he's
• 27:39
  like, yeah, we've been playing Mortal Kombat, I'm like, oh.
• 27:43
  Fuck. And I, my wife just kind of sat
• 27:46
  there like nothing registered. I don't know if she knew exactly
• 27:49
  what it was, but she also came from, yeah, she came from a home
• 27:52
  that, like she was able to pretty much do whatever she
• 27:55
  wanted. So we had like very different,
• 27:57
  like almost polar opposites, but at the same time like I'm trying
• 28:02
  to be more relaxed because I also remember going over to a
• 28:06
  public school coming from a very private school.
• 28:09
  And having culture shock. So at the same time, like I'd be
• 28:14
  ignorant to believe that my child has not seen this shit or
• 28:17
  heard about the shit from kids at school because.
• 28:20
  Say I've. I've heard of seven-year olds
• 28:22
  that were playing Mortal Kombat and eight-year olds and stuff
• 28:24
  like that. Like, you don't want to know
• 28:26
  what little kids are actually talking about.
• 28:28
  They know what they let on, dude.
• 28:30
  I I The things I have heard that have come, yeah.
• 28:33
  The things that I have heard a kid say in a dugout because he
• 28:36
  thought a a adult was not listening is fucking wild, dude.
• 28:40
  It's crazy what those kids will say, man.
• 28:43
  Wild. The shit I was saying back in
• 28:44
  the day was fucking wild. Yeah, if you believe your kid is
• 28:47
  completely ignorant like. Any of these things, if you're
• 28:50
  just wrong, like I just there's other children in a school and
• 28:56
  they talk and not everyone has the same restrictions that your
• 29:00
  kid does. Like, it's wild.
• 29:03
  I was going to ask you, man, like, how do you as a parent
• 29:07
  tackle that? Because like when you're in that
• 29:11
  situation you don't want to. I mean, inside you're like,
• 29:14
  fuck, man, goddamn it. But outside it's not one of
• 29:16
  those things where it's like you don't in, because that was like
• 29:21
  my dad's biggest thing as well. The oddly enough he's like, I
• 29:25
  don't want you to ever be in a situation where your friends are
• 29:29
  able to do something and you're not.
• 29:31
  And that's not out of like spoiling or anything like that.
• 29:34
  But he's like, if your friends are enjoying something, I'm not
• 29:37
  going to keep you from enjoying it with them type thing.
• 29:39
  But you also need to know that there are boundaries to this,
• 29:43
  right? Like, we were playing GTA.
• 29:47
  I mean, Jules and Luke were playing it when they were like 6
• 29:49
  and six and eight, you know what I mean?
• 29:52
  Because my dad was like, yeah, you can do this in this
• 29:54
  household, but you cannot tell your friends you're playing this
• 29:57
  fucking game now. I mean, in that situation,
• 29:59
  they're playing Mortal Kombat. Did you as a parent have to like
• 30:03
  kind of like, pull your oldest aside and your kids aside and be
• 30:06
  like, boys? Listen up here.
• 30:08
  They have a crate toast coming to God, you know I mean.
• 30:11
  Because you kind of look like crate toast that beard, bro.
• 30:14
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 30:16
  No, I I didn't really. It was more of one of those
• 30:20
  things like. Open the floor for conversation
• 30:24
  type of thing. Like do you need to talk about
• 30:27
  like what the hell you just saw. But honestly they were just
• 30:30
  stoked about playing a fighting game.
• 30:31
  Like they give a fuck. The visceral like everything or
• 30:35
  the visceral going on, like didn't give a shit completely on
• 30:39
  face. But also like I I know how my
• 30:41
  kids are, right? Like one of them lives in his
• 30:43
  own like fantasyland 99% of the time.
• 30:46
  So he may not have even paid any attention to any of it.
• 30:49
  And then the oldest is, I mean. We we tried to raise fish at one
• 30:55
  point in time and they continually died because we
• 30:58
  apparently are just really bad at fish.
• 31:00
  And that kid was like, completely OK when the fish
• 31:04
  died. I'm like, yeah, flush it
• 31:06
  completely. Yeah, he's like, yeah, you can I
• 31:09
  flush it. And you're like, OK, so I know
• 31:13
  how they are, right? Like, I I know that they aren't
• 31:15
  really easily fazed by things like that.
• 31:17
  And I figured they would be OK. As you know, that knee jerk
• 31:21
  reaction was definitely like, I don't really care that, like, we
• 31:25
  aren't going to play this at home and I'm not going to tell
• 31:29
  you at this point. Like, I'm not going to tell you
• 31:31
  you can't play it because you've already seen it.
• 31:33
  But we aren't going to make a habit out of this, at least not
• 31:37
  yet. One of those get your feeling
• 31:40
  now because when we get home, you're back to Fortnite, you
• 31:42
  know what I mean? Yeah, that's a bad thing.
• 31:44
  It's not. It's.
• 31:45
  Not sheltering. In my opinion, that is just
• 31:47
  sending boundaries, which is, it's something I'm going to
• 31:50
  learn how to. It's something I'm going to have
• 31:51
  to learn to do. You know what I mean?
• 31:53
  Like it's not something you can. Teach like it is 100% something
• 31:58
  you have to figure out on the fly.
• 31:59
  And that's that's where it's at, right?
• 32:02
  Because like for me, like I want to have.
• 32:05
  I obviously have to see how Landon grows and adapts and the
• 32:10
  way video games change, right? Like, that's another thing.
• 32:13
  Like games, the things that we thought were graphic and
• 32:17
  outrageous back in the day are are far different nowadays, in a
• 32:22
  good way and a bad way, right? There's certain things where I
• 32:24
  think a lot of games like have matured, like Grand Theft Auto
• 32:27
  from three to five. It's almost like watching a
• 32:31
  teenager going to an adult from three to five, you know what I'm
• 32:35
  saying? So like the thing it's it's just
• 32:39
  really knowing I think to me how to approach situation when it's
• 32:44
  time and how to set my boundaries because I like I
• 32:48
  don't think I'm going to necessarily allow my son to play
• 32:55
  how I was playing back in the day where it was just play what
• 32:58
  you want to play. If you have questions, figure it
• 33:01
  out like for what you just saw, you know what I mean?
• 33:05
  Like I can remember my first time playing manhunt and
• 33:09
  grabbing a a Shard of glass then stabbing some dude in the neck.
• 33:13
  I mean fuck, when we bought it the guy wore my mom's.
• 33:15
  He was like, this is like the most violent title out on the
• 33:17
  market right now. Are you cool with like buying
• 33:20
  this firm? She went, I don't care.
• 33:22
  And then I got it and I've already seen I was probably 12.
• 33:26
  I already seen a fucked on the violence because I grew up
• 33:29
  watching it. You know living in Detroit area
• 33:32
  and all that stuff like you see it on TV every day.
• 33:34
  Nothing. It didn't faze me right.
• 33:36
  But I can remember certain aspects going, that's fucked up
• 33:39
  and I would like show my friends the game and then I would get in
• 33:42
  trouble, you know what I'm saying?
• 33:43
  But like, so setting those boundaries, I think that is the
• 33:46
  the most important thing. Because again, I'm, I'm,
• 33:48
  Landon's not going to be playing GTA6.
• 33:51
  He'll be, he'll be fucking five when that game comes out.
• 33:53
  You're not, you're not picking that shit up.
• 33:55
  That's if he's not ten. Yeah, we'll see.
• 33:59
  When we'll see, we'll fucking see.
• 34:02
  Fuck. But like that.
• 34:04
  That's that was my question to you, though.
• 34:06
  You know what I mean? Like, because you've been in the
• 34:08
  parenting game longer than I have, so I guess this is just me
• 34:11
  getting Brody on a podcast to ask him for parenting advice.
• 34:15
  To video games now. But you know what I mean.
• 34:18
  I I think every. Situation is different, I think.
• 34:21
  I don't think there's a right answer.
• 34:23
  I don't think there's a wrong answer.
• 34:24
  If you want to let your kid play fucking Gears of War at 8 years
• 34:27
  old, more power to you. But also I I don't.
• 34:31
  I don't agree with that. For my children, right?
• 34:33
  But I. I personally think it's it's a
• 34:37
  case by case situation like and I I really think that you know I
• 34:43
  would probably start them out on something a little little little
• 34:47
  easier right? I I had a lot of restrictions on
• 34:49
  my kids as far as. Like playing online and actually
• 34:53
  being in a lobby and being able to that is to people something
• 34:56
  sketchy. To me that is that is a.
• 34:58
  Sketchy one we I eventually, and I will probably get shit for
• 35:03
  this too, and I don't really give a fuck, but I took a lot of
• 35:07
  those restrictions away. They don't really have any
• 35:10
  restrictions at this point. And that was intentional, right?
• 35:15
  All of their See what they do? Yeah, all of their.
• 35:17
  Accounts are linked to my e-mail.
• 35:19
  They can't buy anything. They can't do anything without
• 35:22
  me confirming it. The only thing they can do is
• 35:25
  hop into lobbies and even then they don't know they can do with
• 35:30
  that. I unrestricted their account and
• 35:34
  didn't tell them just to see what they did because for the
• 35:37
  longest time they were restricted and I kind of told
• 35:39
  them what they can and cannot do and and we just, you know,
• 35:42
  occasionally pop our head in to see what's going on.
• 35:45
  Hey, who are you talking to? They tell us who they're talking
• 35:48
  to. Shit like that, right?
• 35:49
  And they're always talking to friends.
• 35:50
  I know all of. I know all of the friends
• 35:52
  they're talking to. They're usually usually pretty
• 35:55
  good. We have not had a single issue
• 35:57
  thus far. We also, like, gave them
• 35:59
  instructions on like, you never fucking tell anybody where you
• 36:02
  live, You never tell anybody your real name, like all of
• 36:05
  these things. Like you don't tell birth dates.
• 36:07
  You don't give any actual information.
• 36:10
  As far as the people online are concerned, you are your username
• 36:14
  and that is fucking it. And so like, it's just and you
• 36:20
  know that that could be wrong. Again, like I said, I'm not
• 36:22
  saying I'm right for doing that. I'm not doing that.
• 36:24
  I it is what it is. But that was the decision that
• 36:28
  we made, mainly me because my wife has predominantly left that
• 36:33
  kind of space up to me. Well, you know it all, but
• 36:36
  right? And and so you know it's.
• 36:40
  It's tough. It that was a hard call.
• 36:42
  Like, I genuinely was concerned about doing that.
• 36:47
  But I did it because they were they they weren't even able to
• 36:50
  play. Ea's really fucking stupid, by
• 36:52
  the way. You have to you have to have a
• 36:56
  like actual adult account to play Madden online and you can't
• 37:00
  even talk to each other. Like, it doesn't even have a
• 37:03
  lobby as far as I know. It is genuinely just playing a
• 37:06
  football fucking game with another person online.
• 37:10
  And they couldn't do it. And that's.
• 37:13
  And yeah, Ea's really, really stupid about their kids
• 37:16
  accounts, so regardless anyway, but yeah, that, that that's kind
• 37:19
  of how we ended up, where we were at.
• 37:21
  It was also one of those things that, like, they were playing
• 37:23
  Fortnite, they're playing Roblox, they're playing shit
• 37:26
  like that, like for the most part, harmless things.
• 37:30
  And I just wasn't all that I, I I.
• 37:36
  Know that I know my kids. I know what they're gonna do.
• 37:39
  I know how they are. I know how they think.
• 37:41
  And or at least I think I do. Maybe I'm fucking wrong, right?
• 37:44
  But we'll we'll check back. I also in their teens, Yeah, I
• 37:50
  also thought. You know, I was so smart and had
• 37:51
  my parents fooled as a child and then realized I'm a goddamn
• 37:55
  idiot and they knew what to stop saying the whole whole time.
• 37:58
  So hey, what's the age? Old adage.
• 38:01
  Anything you're doing now? I did 10 times worse, yeah.
• 38:04
  That's what my father would tell me, you know, I mean in the in
• 38:07
  the accent though everything you do, you know in Romania and
• 38:12
  France, I do 10 times worse when your dad says that.
• 38:16
  I absolutely believe it too. I do too.
• 38:19
  I spit on somebody. No, I stab you.
• 38:22
  Should I blow up? And I'm like, what the fuck are
• 38:25
  we talking about, Dad? You know, I mean shit like that,
• 38:28
  but. Like the online thing, as
• 38:31
  always. Because, I mean, I remember
• 38:33
  being on Xbox Live for sure, you know what I mean?
• 38:37
  I mean, if I'm being honest, that's the first time I ever
• 38:40
  heard racial slurs. Oh yeah.
• 38:42
  Lobbies, COD lobbies, like all of that shit is vile.
• 38:46
  Absolutely Fucking's the vile. First time I ever heard those
• 38:51
  words and I remember repeating them as a kid.
• 38:53
  And then my dad was like, what the fuck?
• 38:56
  Where did you hear that? I'm like the game.
• 38:58
  And he was like dude, like he was the voice where he's going.
• 39:02
  No man, I'm like, I didn't know what that word is.
• 39:05
  He goes, I should have told you about those words, but I you
• 39:08
  don't ever hear them. You know what I mean?
• 39:10
  Like cuz I never had heard any of those words until I, which
• 39:14
  hasn't helped my point that video games aren't bad, but
• 39:17
  like, it's keeping people at that point.
• 39:19
  It's people at that point. So yeah, that's something I'm
• 39:21
  gonna tackle eventually, but which I?
• 39:24
  Thought all of that chilled out for a little while.
• 39:25
  Like I I played the most. It's for God and.
• 39:29
  Boy is it back in full swing. Holy shit.
• 39:32
  It's like stepping through a time machine.
• 39:35
  Like all of that is back 100%. And you know the people on the
• 39:40
  other side are white as fucking white bread too.
• 39:43
  Oh my God, shut your stupid goofy ass up.
• 39:47
  I can tell you're a goddamn teenager like you are an idiot.
• 39:50
  Shut up. I also like the kids.
• 39:53
  The teenage white kids are like, I'm going to IP track you and
• 39:57
  it's like, no for it. But then you meet the kid with
• 40:00
  the actual hacked console, he's like, are you in this area right
• 40:03
  now? And I'm like, holy shit, Xbox
• 40:06
  off super quick. Sideshow on this.
• 40:10
  Like just because you said that we were playing one night and
• 40:14
  one of my buddies was actively in the military and the other
• 40:18
  guy that I was playing with was doing contracts for the military
• 40:22
  building structures and things. This kid started like throwing
• 40:26
  out some of that bullshit. I'm going to hack your IP yada
• 40:29
  yada yada and or find your IP. They had to report him because
• 40:35
  they are obligated as being on base.
• 40:39
  They had to report this fucking kid because he he got in there.
• 40:44
  He actually he he actually knew what he was doing and was able
• 40:47
  to get in and see he's like hey, is this you?
• 40:50
  And both of those guys go well. Shit.
• 40:53
  So don't be fucking stupid. Kids.
• 40:57
  Don't do that, because that's bad.
• 40:59
  You don't know who's on the other side of that.
• 41:01
  I P you were trying to get a hold of a military case.
• 41:05
  I imagine he got his fucking aspect real bad over that one,
• 41:09
  yeah. Hopefully he was underage.
• 41:11
  So maybe it was just like a very coming to Jesus moment, you
• 41:16
  know? I mean, meanwhile, my
• 41:17
  brotherinlaw was the whole reason we fucking got into that.
• 41:19
  Because he's also a he's younger, but he's old enough to
• 41:23
  know better. But he also likes antagonizing
• 41:26
  people. So he antagonized the whole
• 41:27
  thing and then sounds like someone else I know.
• 41:30
  Not me. I don't use racial slurs or
• 41:32
  anything like that. I just really like people on
• 41:34
  online. Yeah, no, this wasn't a racial
• 41:36
  slur thing. He was just talking mad shit.
• 41:38
  And so yeah, next thing you know, we're like, oh fuck, we
• 41:41
  have to now file this with the US government, dude, that's so
• 41:47
  that. That kid sucks.
• 41:49
  You suck, kid. If you're listening and you're a
• 41:51
  fan of ours, thanks, but you suck.
• 41:54
  So for me. Growing up, and I think my mom
• 41:58
  knew this. Like growing up in the
• 42:01
  household, I grew up, and we're not going to dive into that
• 42:03
  here. This is an OBO.
• 42:04
  This isn't any show we're doing for that, but a lot of my
• 42:08
  distressors were playing games. Like the games I've talked
• 42:13
  about, right? Like, absolutely.
• 42:14
  And I did dive into fucked up games as a teenager.
• 42:18
  I and I was, you know, the way I was.
• 42:20
  I dove into fucked up shit. Like I did play the Super
• 42:23
  Calumite RPG game. Yeah, you were 100% the edgiest
• 42:26
  person that I never met at that time.
• 42:28
  Yeah, exactly. I sucked.
• 42:29
  And I did play JFK Reloaded and shit like that, but like those
• 42:36
  those games didn't help me at all.
• 42:39
  But games like Doom 3 and Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto,
• 42:44
  where I I mean, fuck dude, there's been times when when I
• 42:46
  was younger and I would just be upset.
• 42:48
  This is going to sound fucking weird.
• 42:50
  Possibly. If anyone else listening has
• 42:52
  done this, let me know where I just had the radio on in GTA
• 42:55
  while driving around and I would just drive around, yeah, not run
• 42:59
  people over. I would stop at fucking lights,
• 43:02
  listening to the songs on the radio and I was like, huh, I
• 43:05
  feel a lot better, all right? Now I'm going to go destroy the
• 43:07
  world, but like. I feel like a lot of the violent
• 43:11
  games as well, like your dooms, your call of duties, your
• 43:16
  Wolfenstein's, all of that can be therapeutic in a way for
• 43:20
  certain children who are in an environment or you know, just
• 43:24
  are just angry in general. It could be a good outlet, but
• 43:28
  it's just I feel like it also that is also on the parent to
• 43:31
  explain like yes, here it is right here in your face, but
• 43:35
  that's in there, you know what I mean?
• 43:37
  Yeah, I feel like it could be a good tool.
• 43:40
  Yeah, to the right child. I think there's a certain level
• 43:42
  of, like, not necessarily maturity, but a little bit of
• 43:46
  maturity and a little bit of teaching.
• 43:48
  Like you said, like, hey, this kind of shit is fine while
• 43:52
  you're playing a game, you know? But get it out here, right?
• 43:55
  And there's I mean there's been studies on metal music and metal
• 44:01
  music is actually calming to a a a pretty large portion of
• 44:06
  people. And I was the same way, right
• 44:08
  when I was pissed off I went and listened to heavy shit and I
• 44:12
  felt better and and I don't think this is any different,
• 44:15
  right. Like some people would be like,
• 44:17
  Oh well that's teaching them to take their their anger out in a
• 44:20
  violent way. And it's like, no, it's not.
• 44:22
  It's teaching them that if they're pissed off, maybe go
• 44:25
  play some, do, go play some doom, kill some fucking demons
• 44:28
  and it's over, right? Like that is where you take it
• 44:31
  out at. And teaching kids how to have an
• 44:34
  outlet for anger or whatever it may be Like I remember having a
• 44:37
  punching bag as a kid cuz I was an angry little shithead and I
• 44:41
  had a punching bag and I went and beat the fuck out of a
• 44:43
  punching bag. But guess what?
• 44:44
  I never did. I never punched the fuck out of
• 44:46
  somebody else, right? Like having an outlet to go and
• 44:50
  take that anger out or take that frustration out is a good thing
• 44:54
  that is. Otherwise they're going to do it
• 44:56
  somewhere else. Eventually.
• 44:57
  That has to come out and the best place it can come out is in
• 45:00
  a game, right? Like it harms no one.
• 45:03
  The game is solely designed around that violence.
• 45:06
  Let it happen. Like it.
• 45:08
  And that's not for every kid, right?
• 45:09
  Because there are some kids or some situations where they
• 45:13
  aren't going to know the difference.
• 45:14
  They aren't going to be able to differentiate and they're going
• 45:17
  to assume right? And but at that point there's
• 45:21
  other things, there's other factors, there's other issues,
• 45:24
  right? And so I like to to assume that
• 45:28
  they make people violent is kind of outrageous.
• 45:31
  I I think it actually in 99% of cases has the exact opposite
• 45:36
  effect. I mean a kid goes into an online
• 45:38
  lobby and talks some shit and says some racial slurs.
• 45:40
  Like I bet he's not doing that in real life.
• 45:43
  He's probably just doing it there.
• 45:45
  Is that OK? Yeah.
• 45:46
  Yeah. Is that OK?
• 45:47
  Absolutely not. But at the same time, I would
• 45:51
  not. The racial slurs, those are
• 45:53
  never OK. But I would rather him talk shit
• 45:56
  in a game playing fucking Call of Duty or Madden or whatever it
• 46:00
  may be. Then I would have him go out
• 46:03
  into the world and do that and get punched in the fucking.
• 46:06
  And yeah, have somebody try to, you know, push his nose through
• 46:09
  the back of his skull. Like, yeah, no, this is a okay
• 46:13
  place to do it. I hate keyboard warriors.
• 46:15
  But at the same time, like, people need an outlet of some,
• 46:19
  some shape or form. And you know, especially
• 46:22
  children, like, they don't know how to regulate their emotions.
• 46:25
  They don't know how to do that. They have to have some sort of
• 46:28
  an outlet. So why not be a video game?
• 46:31
  What's wrong with that? It's not harming anyone in the
• 46:33
  long run. I mean, again, if they're doing
• 46:36
  racial slurs, like fucking doing racial slurs and doing the
• 46:41
  racial slurs, like, yeah, if if they're saying racial slurs,
• 46:46
  like, you've got to get that shit right and then but at the
• 46:49
  same time you got to hit your kid.
• 46:50
  With a belt. I'm kidding.
• 46:52
  Well, maybe not. Maybe not dropping the end bomb.
• 46:57
  Hit him with a belt, I don't know.
• 46:59
  That might. That might be an acceptance.
• 47:02
  You got to do something about that, I think, right now.
• 47:05
  Is 45 minutes is probably the best time to say we are not
• 47:09
  therapists, we are not licensed therapists, we are not
• 47:13
  psychiatrists, we are not doctors and we are not
• 47:16
  scientists? So we I don't even claim to be
• 47:19
  smart. No, we're just.
• 47:21
  Drinking we're drinking beer and whiskey we're I just.
• 47:24
  I honestly thought this would be an interesting conversation to
• 47:26
  have because I don't hear a lot of a lot of the podcasts
• 47:31
  including ours is always the fun side or like let's shit on this
• 47:34
  fucking team right. Not like you know what I mean
• 47:37
  like let's this game is this but this is a conversation I've
• 47:41
  always wanted to have with people because it is something.
• 47:44
  Sorry, that I. Winthrisk.
• 47:47
  Get it, you know, Hey, like because I mean, you know, I I
• 47:51
  did get expelled from school when I was 13 years old.
• 47:54
  I had issues going on and I, you know, I was a troubled youth and
• 47:59
  they are all like, well, it's the video games and comic books.
• 48:01
  So I'm like, no, it's not the video games and comic books.
• 48:05
  This is how I escape you people causing me the problems I'm
• 48:09
  having. So the worlds I'm investing
• 48:12
  myself in, whether it be comics, music or video games.
• 48:15
  Is why I don't act the way I want to at that point in time.
• 48:19
  Because I had some pretty nasty thoughts when I was a kid, You
• 48:22
  know, a teenager. Yeah.
• 48:24
  After a lot of shit happening, I had some nasty thoughts.
• 48:25
  I'd play video game and they'd go away.
• 48:28
  I'd fucking play video game for a couple hours, go outside and
• 48:30
  be like, hey, what's up, Ed? You know what I mean?
• 48:32
  So I felt great after that. But yeah, we are not, we are not
• 48:36
  therapists. We are not doctors.
• 48:37
  We are none of that. We're just two dudes drinking
• 48:40
  and having an interesting conversation.
• 48:42
  But steel worker that plays D&D and talks about video games like
• 48:48
  I am not qualified for shit. But here we are, right?
• 48:52
  Like someone asked me the other. Day it was Ethan and he goes,
• 48:57
  hey Nick, do you know like how a blah blah blah plane actually
• 49:01
  works? And I went, hey Ethan, I'm a
• 49:04
  fucking delivery driver for M&K truck centers.
• 49:07
  No, I don't know how that fucking works, bro, he went.
• 49:11
  Valid point. And Logan, dude.
• 49:14
  Logan let out this fucking gnarly cough and just started
• 49:17
  laughing. I was like Yep, Logan's gonna
• 49:19
  die. Yeah God damn it.
• 49:22
  But to wrap the episode up, I did wanna ask you though, did
• 49:26
  anything change in the way you games or perceived video games
• 49:30
  or really tackled your hobbies cuz you are also in the gunplug.
• 49:33
  You're in a D&D, you're into collecting and you're into video
• 49:35
  games. So when your boys were.
• 49:37
  Born did a lot of that change for you.
• 49:39
  Did anything perspective wise change and did your habits with
• 49:43
  your hobbies. Hobbits.
• 49:45
  I almost said hobbits. Great.
• 49:46
  My hobbits. Yeah, as The Hobbit.
• 49:48
  Is talking to my 11:00 and 8:00 year old Hobbit?
• 49:53
  No. Yeah, absolutely.
• 49:57
  My mind's kind of a weird situation.
• 49:59
  I mean, if you did the math at the beginning of this episode, I
• 50:02
  had kids very young, so early on I worked a lot.
• 50:07
  I stopped playing games for probably a couple years.
• 50:12
  And if any of you have like, been around some of the episodes
• 50:15
  where some of this may have come up that, yeah, you, you've heard
• 50:17
  it before. But regardless, I stopped
• 50:19
  playing games for a long time. And when I finally did get back
• 50:22
  into games, I mean, I typically had a baby sitting on my lap
• 50:25
  while it was finally, you know, got 10, It's to play a game or
• 50:28
  whatever because he fell asleep. So yeah, definitely in the early
• 50:33
  phases, like my hobbies, my wants, my, my aspirations to
• 50:38
  some extent went to the wayside because it's like I have a small
• 50:42
  human that relies on me. I have a a wife, we are young,
• 50:45
  like we got shit going on. That being said, as I got older,
• 50:49
  I finally started getting back into video games, started
• 50:52
  playing a little bit more, but I have kind of always been the
• 50:56
  type of person that feels who's guilty about playing video games
• 51:00
  instead of spending time with my family, quite frankly.
• 51:03
  Yeah. So a lot of times I typically
• 51:07
  don't play until late at night. I'll do some 1010 Thirty, yeah.
• 51:11
  Yeah. And so a lot of times, like once
• 51:14
  my kids are in bed, once my wife goes to bed, that's when I will
• 51:17
  usually play something. Right.
• 51:19
  Until 2:00 in the morning. Yeah, way too late usually.
• 51:23
  But yeah, my, my kids go to bed. They're, they're typically
• 51:27
  supposed to be in bed around 8830.
• 51:30
  Football is kind of throwing a wrench on that.
• 51:31
  But. And then after that, I'll
• 51:33
  usually stay up, watch something with the wife and then I'll hop
• 51:35
  on and hang out with you guys. Right.
• 51:38
  But yeah, you know, there there's also the, the that's why
• 51:41
  I love handhelds. That's why I love the steam
• 51:43
  deck. That's why I love the Switch,
• 51:44
  because I can sit there and still technically be present and
• 51:49
  and, you know, involved in conversation or watching
• 51:52
  something alongside them, but also still doing something I
• 51:55
  enjoy. So honestly, I hardly ever take
• 51:58
  my handhelds anywhere. They're mainly for around my
• 52:01
  house. Like I'll sit there and I'll
• 52:03
  play Switch, like sitting on the couch watching a show with my
• 52:06
  wife, or we play Mario Kart together and stuff like that.
• 52:12
  Like we try to, we try to. Whereas my, my parents weren't
• 52:16
  really involved in video games in any way, shape or form.
• 52:19
  Like I I try to be an obviously I I enjoy video games, so I'm
• 52:22
  all for it. But you know, we play Mario
• 52:24
  Party, we play Mario Kart, I play.
• 52:27
  I used to play a shit load of Fortnight with the kids while
• 52:29
  they were still really into it. Like, I I can't play Roblox.
• 52:31
  Fuck that. Sorry.
• 52:33
  That's where Reading Ground. For fucking bullshit anyways.
• 52:36
  But even then, like a lot of times, you know, if Amber needs
• 52:40
  a nap one day or whatever, I'll come down and I'll hang out with
• 52:43
  with the kids. And we might not even be playing
• 52:46
  the same game. But I'm playing something right
• 52:48
  here. They're directly next to me
• 52:49
  playing on the Xbox and PlayStation or whatever it may
• 52:52
  be, right? So yeah, my hobbies, you know,
• 52:55
  how I handled hobbies changed drastically from when I was in
• 52:58
  high school. Like I when I was in high school
• 53:00
  and had no responsibilities, no family, no kids.
• 53:02
  I would come home. I would sit, you know, after
• 53:05
  practice or whatever. I'd sit down.
• 53:07
  I'd play video games and wouldn't stop until God knows
• 53:11
  when. And then you drop dead.
• 53:12
  Almost. Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
• 53:13
  And Wake up the next morning like nothing ever happened, and
• 53:16
  go to school, do the same thing again.
• 53:18
  But yeah, it's like it has to change.
• 53:21
  Like I I think to a certain point to keep a healthy
• 53:24
  relationship with both your children and your wife or spouse
• 53:27
  or whatever it may be. I think you have to give some of
• 53:31
  that up and some regard. That doesn't mean you have to
• 53:33
  give it up entirely. I have a lot of friends that are
• 53:35
  like, I don't play video games anymore and like, why?
• 53:38
  Like, why? The fuck like you gotta.
• 53:40
  I hate that. But you also have to figure that
• 53:43
  out with your wife or your spouse, right?
• 53:45
  You have to figure out that balance and like, hey, I need
• 53:48
  some time to myself as well. And that's not something that's
• 53:51
  easy. That's not something that's a
• 53:52
  single conversation. It took fucking years for that
• 53:54
  to happen. And and I mean, I'm coming up on
• 53:58
  my 10 year wedding anniversary like 8.
• 54:01
  It takes time. It takes a lot of you have to
• 54:05
  actually have that conversation and figure out what that looks
• 54:08
  like. It's not easy, not easy at all.
• 54:11
  But at the same time, like you are allowed to have your
• 54:13
  hobbies. They are allowed to have their
• 54:16
  hobbies and you go from there. And I feel like I sound like an
• 54:20
  old man. Like we are old.
• 54:23
  Yeah. And to some extent for sure, but
• 54:26
  yeah. I I think you have to change
• 54:28
  your habits. You got to figure other things
• 54:30
  out. But at the same time, like, she
• 54:31
  has the things that she loves and I respect that and that's
• 54:34
  she respects my hobbies, right? Like I buy a bunch of games.
• 54:39
  I you know rebuilt my PC. I bought an Xbox.
• 54:43
  I bought a PlayStation. Like she doesn't didn't really
• 54:46
  bat an eye right and and so having that mutual respect and
• 54:50
  finding a way to enjoy both like with through a switch or through
• 54:54
  a Steam deck or something like that is is a great way.
• 54:58
  And, you know, I know not everybody can do that, but
• 55:01
  definitely make sure that you set that side to time or that
• 55:04
  time aside so you still have enjoyment with certain hobbies,
• 55:10
  you know? And I think that is one of the
• 55:13
  most important things you can do.
• 55:14
  Because if you don't have a hobby or anything you enjoy,
• 55:16
  like what? Where do you get any enjoyment
• 55:19
  in your life? And you're just going to be
• 55:20
  miserable and you're you're going to end up showing that in
• 55:23
  the rest of your life. You're going to show it through
• 55:25
  work, You're going to show it in your marriage, you're going to
• 55:27
  show it in parenting. Like that kind of shit is still
• 55:30
  important regardless. So I I know that was like a
• 55:34
  weird, like roundabout and very long, but that's where I was.
• 55:39
  Did that feel good to say? Out loud, though, It's stuff you
• 55:43
  definitely. It's like I said, I've had that
• 55:46
  conversation with my wife a million times of of figuring all
• 55:50
  of that out and that. But yeah, no, you you have to
• 55:53
  have those things. And I I see my friends that
• 55:56
  don't have any hobbies anymore and they're fucking miserable,
• 56:00
  like, quite frankly. And it's it's like you you got
• 56:03
  to have that thing that you enjoy and and you have to have
• 56:07
  that mutual respect for your spouse and that's that's just
• 56:09
  where it is. Like my wife loves watching TV.
• 56:12
  I don't particularly care to watch TV.
• 56:14
  So a lot of times I'm sitting there playing Steam Deck or
• 56:16
  Switch or something because it I'm still there.
• 56:19
  I'm still watching TV with her, but I'm also still doing
• 56:22
  something I enjoy. And also that's how I get
• 56:25
  through a lot of like other games, right?
• 56:27
  Like my my Jrpgs that are million and a half fucking
• 56:31
  hours. Like it's easy to do that while
• 56:33
  you're just hanging out. But yeah, did.
• 56:36
  Amber freak out when you guys were close to the guy from The
• 56:38
  Bachelor the other day? Yeah.
• 56:41
  Oh fuck yeah, absolutely. I saw her Instagram.
• 56:43
  Post. I was like Amber.
• 56:44
  I almost messed her. Like, be cool, dude, be cool.
• 56:47
  Yeah, no, they were not cool at all.
• 56:50
  They no, they were, they were, they were fine.
• 56:52
  They didn't, like, harass the poor guy or anything, but they
• 56:55
  were definitely like, I think that's him.
• 56:57
  Oh my God. Oh my God.
• 56:58
  Like freaking out. Why did they get selfie?
• 57:01
  I don't know. I'm going to dog on her for
• 57:03
  that. Amber's kind of the same way I
• 57:05
  am in that regard. Like I don't want to bug him,
• 57:07
  just cuz they were on a show or something.
• 57:09
  Like fuck him. I was sitting next to, you know,
• 57:12
  like a Craig Mabbitt from Escape the Fate one time at a bar and I
• 57:17
  like didn't even acknowledge his existence.
• 57:20
  Well, he's so short. You.
• 57:21
  Might miss him anyways. Well, yeah.
• 57:23
  But it was funny because I was with Jeff and Jeff, he was
• 57:26
  wearing a Warframe shirt, he was a Warframe jacket.
• 57:31
  And it was like this. Or Craig the No, the Craig
• 57:34
  Mabbett and and Random. Yeah.
• 57:38
  And Jeff's. Like, I fucking worked on that
• 57:40
  game and I was like, I've listened to Bless the Fall and
• 57:44
  escaped the fate for forever. I mean, not escaped the fate
• 57:47
  anymore basically once Radke left.
• 57:49
  So it's not like I was a huge fan anyway.
• 57:53
  But yeah, it's it's kind of a one of those weird things of
• 57:57
  like, yeah, no, I just, they're just people too.
• 58:00
  Like they're just trying to live their fucking lives.
• 58:02
  I don't want to bug everybody. Sound the.
• 58:03
  Same way I bug everybody. I do.
• 58:07
  I'm really cool about it. I'll go up there.
• 58:08
  You want to? I met JPEG Mafia.
• 58:11
  Oh nice. At a bar he was playing at and
• 58:15
  he was just chilling there. I was like, hello, Peggy.
• 58:18
  And he went, I can't say what he said to me, but he he said, you
• 58:21
  know, but. I was like, you want to drink?
• 58:23
  He goes. Nah, not for the show bro.
• 58:25
  He's like, thank good looking though.
• 58:27
  And I I got a photo, the photos on my Instagram, but be cool
• 58:31
  man. Anyways, everybody be cool.
• 58:33
  So my last question. Though is how excited are you
• 58:36
  because you've already transferred a lot of your
• 58:39
  hobbies on to your kids, man. Like they both game, right?
• 58:41
  Like, so how cool, Like how stoked are you to like really
• 58:45
  like watch them grow into gaming?
• 58:47
  Because gaming nowadays is, it's always been a culture.
• 58:52
  And we will end here. It's already an hour, but we're
• 58:54
  we're going to end on this question.
• 58:55
  It's always been a culture, gamers, gaming, whatever.
• 58:59
  However you want to phrase it, there is a culture behind it,
• 59:02
  for better or for better or for fucking worse.
• 59:05
  But like how stoked are you to, like, keep them involved if they
• 59:10
  want to stay involved? Because to me, what I'm seeing
• 59:14
  in the trend, I'm not saying they're going to do this.
• 59:17
  The trend is esports in major sports.
• 59:20
  It it just is Counter Strike, all those games, Overwatch, what
• 59:26
  have you, Fortnite, are you are you excited to see the future of
• 59:31
  how they game and evolve and how video games evolve with them and
• 59:35
  see if they stay in the hobby that you love the most?
• 59:38
  I mean, you at your core haven't had and are part of a video game
• 59:42
  community and podcasting community, right?
• 59:45
  So it's obviously a huge part of your life.
• 59:48
  Are you excited to see if they adapt and keep that with them as
• 59:51
  well the way you did? If not more, if not less, Yeah,
• 59:58
  it it will be interesting to see, you know, as gaming grows.
• 1:00:03
  You know, we have something like Baldur's Gate right now that is
• 1:00:06
  just this fucking standout, crazy, insane game that people
• 1:00:11
  are using their. Foot, yeah.
• 1:00:13
  Absolutely. And so to be super interesting
• 1:00:16
  to see how shit evolves you also.
• 1:00:18
  So have, you know, VR that's just so desperately trying to
• 1:00:21
  take off, but it just can't quite get there.
• 1:00:24
  But you know it it's been kind of like my oldest.
• 1:00:29
  He wanted a PC really bad, so I kind of pieced together some of
• 1:00:34
  my old parts and he ended up getting a PC because.
• 1:00:39
  He watched a bunch of Fortnite streamers that played on PC and
• 1:00:42
  he's like, oh, this is the ticket, right?
• 1:00:44
  Like this is that's how you actually play?
• 1:00:45
  Yeah, well. He found out it's not something
• 1:00:50
  that is super easy to pick up and it takes time and he doesn't
• 1:00:54
  have the patience for that. So he plays on controller still
• 1:00:56
  most of the time. But they also have kind of
• 1:00:58
  gotten to the point where they don't really play much Fortnite.
• 1:01:01
  So it's interesting seeing that that phase switch for them where
• 1:01:05
  both of them are really into Madden right now, which around
• 1:01:09
  that same age I was as well because I played football.
• 1:01:12
  I fucking loved it, right? I enjoyed Madden at that point
• 1:01:15
  in my in my life. And so seeing them get into that
• 1:01:19
  is like where I'm really pessimistic about Madden as a
• 1:01:23
  whole now because I've been around up for so long and it
• 1:01:25
  hasn't really changed and their EA's EA, but they enjoy it.
• 1:01:32
  So at the end of the day, I'm like, yeah, absolutely, let's go
• 1:01:35
  ahead, let's play Madden, whatever it may be.
• 1:01:37
  But yeah, it's interesting seeing those phases, seeing the
• 1:01:41
  things that they get into. My my oldest has recently been
• 1:01:46
  on like. A Dragon Ball kick he he's been
• 1:01:50
  getting, he's been getting an allowance so he can buy a few
• 1:01:55
  things here and there it and has to do chores around the house
• 1:01:58
  and and one of the things that he bought was Dragon Ball
• 1:02:01
  Kakarot. And so he played through that
• 1:02:04
  and he's like, it was too short. I'm like Jesus Christ.
• 1:02:09
  There's games, buddy. We can't keep doing this and so.
• 1:02:12
  I've gotten to the point where a lot of times they were enjoying
• 1:02:15
  games that I was buying too, like depending on what it was
• 1:02:18
  and or like I would buy, you know, whatever it is or they'd
• 1:02:21
  get it for their birthday or Christmas or something, right?
• 1:02:24
  So now they have this allowance so they have to save up.
• 1:02:26
  I help him find deals on the games, whatever it may be, but
• 1:02:29
  regardless, he wanted to buy the next he would.
• 1:02:31
  He's like, Oh, well, I heard that Dragon Ball Xenoverse has
• 1:02:35
  way more content, so now he's been playing Dragon Ball.
• 1:02:38
  Xenoverse and like cool shit like that.
• 1:02:40
  You know my youngest, he plays a ton of like Roblox, a ton of
• 1:02:47
  Madden, those are. And then he had like some some
• 1:02:50
  game called like Floppy Life. It's almost like a human fall
• 1:02:53
  flat type game where it's just like fucking wonky and shit.
• 1:02:57
  But regardless like they they have their own tastes and it's
• 1:03:01
  interesting seeing those evolve from from each other where they
• 1:03:05
  used to like the same shit. Now they're starting to get into
• 1:03:07
  different. Games.
• 1:03:08
  Different experiences. Meanwhile, I'm going in like a
• 1:03:12
  completely different direction as well, and so it's fascinating
• 1:03:16
  to see. I've also like I don't even know
• 1:03:19
  how many people even knew this, but my kids completely begged me
• 1:03:24
  to start a YouTube channel for them.
• 1:03:26
  Yeah. So, so I did years ago and we
• 1:03:29
  we, we did it for a while and eventually I had to stop because
• 1:03:33
  I just didn't have the time to do the recordings and edit and
• 1:03:37
  everything else. And and it broke my heart to do
• 1:03:39
  that because they enjoyed it so much.
• 1:03:41
  But it it just couldn't happen, right.
• 1:03:44
  Yeah. So yeah, they they are 100%
• 1:03:47
  invested in streaming, right. Like I didn't, I didn't push
• 1:03:50
  them to that. I wasn't trying to monetize my
• 1:03:52
  children. Before you ask that, start
• 1:03:54
  losing your mind. They begged me for it for a
• 1:03:58
  while and I finally gave in and did it because I also know
• 1:04:01
  there's a stigma around that, right?
• 1:04:03
  Like, everybody's trying to make money off there.
• 1:04:04
  No, that's not what I'm trying to do.
• 1:04:06
  I don't give a shit. Like, they just wanted to upload
• 1:04:08
  it. They thought it was cool to be
• 1:04:09
  like, hey, I created this and show their friends and that's
• 1:04:11
  awesome. Like, that's really cool.
• 1:04:14
  And and that's something that I may eventually like, teach my
• 1:04:17
  oldest hey, this is how you edit videos and you can do this now
• 1:04:21
  and let him do it and to some regard.
• 1:04:24
  But yeah, you gotta be you gotta be careful, especially as a kid.
• 1:04:28
  Like I can't let him. I have to be careful about what
• 1:04:31
  we post, right. And stuff like that and be
• 1:04:33
  careful about creepy people and shit like that.
• 1:04:35
  But it's interesting, right? Like the the the whole gaming
• 1:04:38
  sphere has changed so much. Especially since we were kids
• 1:04:43
  and and to see it grow is awesome.
• 1:04:46
  There's bad parts about it too, don't get me wrong, but I think
• 1:04:49
  overall they're in potentially the most, not not not most
• 1:04:55
  interesting time, but probably the time that has the most
• 1:04:59
  potential. Because we are to a point where
• 1:05:02
  video games are they, they look life like like that.
• 1:05:06
  You know, when you look at The Last of Us, like, that game is
• 1:05:09
  gorgeous. Is so, so damn pretty.
• 1:05:14
  Meanwhile, we grew up in the time where video games were
• 1:05:17
  popping off, right? Like you saw your NES, your
• 1:05:19
  S&ES, the N64, the Playstations. Like we've got to see some of
• 1:05:25
  the quickest and most impressive innovation in video games.
• 1:05:29
  And now they're to the point where they're that that
• 1:05:32
  innovation is slowing down because there's only so much
• 1:05:34
  further you can go feasibly for, you know, in in the next 10
• 1:05:39
  years. But ultimately they they get to,
• 1:05:42
  they get to experience potentially some of the best
• 1:05:44
  fucking games ever created. I mean, just this year alone,
• 1:05:47
  like, and I know not everybody's a huge fan, but Tears of the
• 1:05:52
  Kingdom, like. That game is incredible.
• 1:05:55
  Baldur's Gate. I mean just this this year has
• 1:05:59
  been so jam packed with great games.
• 1:06:01
  I mean, Jedi Fallen or Jedi Survivor was overall a pretty
• 1:06:06
  solid game, but it is entirely overshadowed by everything else
• 1:06:10
  that has come out this year. Pickman 4 is, you know,
• 1:06:12
  Pickman's finally getting the attention that it deserves.
• 1:06:15
  Which it It's a fucking great franchise, but it just never
• 1:06:18
  really got that attention. And.
• 1:06:20
  Like we have Armored Core. There's just Final Fantasy 16.
• 1:06:24
  Like, I I can't even think of all of the games right now.
• 1:06:26
  Like this game or this year has been such an incredible year for
• 1:06:30
  gaming. And I you know the Yeah,
• 1:06:34
  Ragnarok. Late last year, like there's
• 1:06:37
  just so much crazy stuff and you know, I, I, I'm excited.
• 1:06:41
  The kids, you know, they I've let them play through Spiderman.
• 1:06:44
  I've let them play through Guardians of the Galaxy, all
• 1:06:47
  those things that. I mean, Spiderman's an
• 1:06:49
  incredible game. My my youngest has beat that
• 1:06:53
  game multiple times. Tell him to play Spiderman Two
• 1:06:56
  on the PlayStation. Then we could talk.
• 1:06:58
  Yeah, yeah, right. But we'll talk then.
• 1:07:00
  Kids, again, I think I probably talked in circles a little bit
• 1:07:03
  there. It's just I'm excited to see how
• 1:07:06
  they how their tastes change. And that's even something
• 1:07:09
  outside of gaming that I'm excited to see.
• 1:07:11
  Like I I asked my my kids every so often, Like, what kind of
• 1:07:15
  music do you like just to see? Because my wife listens to a lot
• 1:07:18
  of hips. Hip hop stuff like rap, hip hop,
• 1:07:21
  some pop shit. Meanwhile, I'm on the other
• 1:07:23
  except she didn't want to listen to fucking, you know, Y&W Melly
• 1:07:27
  in the car, but that's fine. Thanks, Amber.
• 1:07:29
  Meanwhile, I listen to like everything from punk to metal to
• 1:07:34
  and we listen to this stuff with them in the car because why not
• 1:07:39
  expose them to all Expose like you have a broad range of things
• 1:07:44
  to pick from, Go wild and so yeah.
• 1:07:48
  Just seeing them grow is such a a unique experience that you get
• 1:07:52
  to go through as a parent. That is really fascinating and I
• 1:07:57
  enjoy watching them grow. Like this year my kids started,
• 1:08:00
  my oldest started middle school, which is fucking weird.
• 1:08:04
  It's. So weird.
• 1:08:05
  But he he had that moment where like for the longest time he
• 1:08:09
  only cared about wearing. He wore athletic shorts and
• 1:08:12
  whatever shirt we got him and he didn't care.
• 1:08:13
  And now it's like. No, I want, I want Jordan's.
• 1:08:17
  I want, I want Jordan's socks. I want like, you know some
• 1:08:21
  fucking cool tshirts. And it's just it's crazy
• 1:08:24
  watching that that lights just between 5th and 6th grade.
• 1:08:28
  All of a sudden he's like, hey, hang on a second.
• 1:08:31
  I want to actually dress like I care about myself.
• 1:08:36
  I'm, I'm here waiting for my kid to hit a cognitive state where
• 1:08:39
  he's like, yeah, I am a human, yeah.
• 1:08:44
  About about five. I think it's when that really
• 1:08:47
  starts to kick in. But no, I'm waiting.
• 1:08:50
  Kids are cool, man, and watching them grow is cool and at the end
• 1:08:53
  of the day you just hope you don't fuck them up too bad.
• 1:08:55
  Like we have always joked, like first couple therapies.
• 1:08:58
  That first like year of therapy is probably on us.
• 1:09:01
  I think we probably deserve that.
• 1:09:04
  After that you're on your own. But I got the first year.
• 1:09:06
  How much I owe you? Fuck man, man.
• 1:09:10
  Well, thank you for hopping on the show.
• 1:09:12
  Thanks for talking about this. That said, this is a
• 1:09:13
  conversation I've wanted to have, wanted to have for a
• 1:09:16
  while, and I couldn't think of anyone else better to talk about
• 1:09:19
  with and to force to drink some whiskey tonight.
• 1:09:22
  Yeah, hopefully. I didn't hog too much of the
• 1:09:25
  show here. I feel like it's gonna be.
• 1:09:26
  A whole lot of my voice waves on here, but no, it was it was
• 1:09:30
  equal. I would say it was good on both
• 1:09:32
  ends. You don't have to lie to me.
• 1:09:35
  Now shut up. We're gonna wrap it up there.
• 1:09:37
  We we this. We haven't gone for an hour in a
• 1:09:39
  long time. I'm stoked.
• 1:09:40
  We do. It's always us.
• 1:09:41
  It's always. It's always you and I.
• 1:09:43
  It's always you and I. We we always fucking drag it on
• 1:09:45
  in a good way, I would say, for this episode especially.
• 1:09:47
  But yeah, dude, thanks for hopping on.
• 1:09:49
  And can you please, for the last time, tell everybody about your
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