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Ep. 859: Man-Eating Lions, The Border Wall, and Judas Deer · The MeatEater Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the news show everyone. This week we're covering
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Speaker 1: how Randall does not understand sports after all. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: talk about yet another Forest Service management controversy. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: get into what tracking collars can tell us about bobcats,
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Speaker 1: some things about lost arrow etiquette, more on the Catalina
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Speaker 1: Island mule deer eradication program. And Alaska announces a mountain
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Speaker 1: lion season. Of all things, all they need now are
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Speaker 1: mountain lions. Well that's not true, because they've maybe got
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Speaker 1: a couple mountain lions. But they got a mountain lion season,
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Speaker 1: plus a whole lot more. But first our news and
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Speaker 1: pull up the pictures pill. You can pick whateveryone you want.
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Speaker 2: M hm, which you ever want too much?
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Speaker 1: Oh? He's going with that one. Check this out. This
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Speaker 1: is just this is a couple of days ago.
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Speaker 3: What do we see?
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell you what funny you ask. So I
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Speaker 1: was down with my friend Mercer LNG in northern Arizona
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Speaker 1: and Mercer was a lifelong bobcat trapper. He used to
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Speaker 1: be a bobcat foot trapper in the Mojave Desert. When
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Speaker 1: California banned foot trapping, Mercer invented his own cage trap,
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Speaker 1: and he started a cage trap business and became a
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Speaker 1: bobcat cage trapper. Then California banned cage trapping, so now
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Speaker 1: he takes his business elsewhere. But he became so skilled
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Speaker 1: at capturing bobcats that he is the go to guy
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Speaker 1: when you want to do a bobcat collaring project. So
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Speaker 1: when researchers want to put a tracking collar on a bobcat,
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Speaker 1: that's your man. That's how you're gonna catch him. He's
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Speaker 1: got good stories. That's not an easy thing to do,
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Speaker 1: and so his expert his expertise is for hire to
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Speaker 1: come in. So he's not working on a program. Here
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Speaker 1: they got here. What we're doing is I packed that
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Speaker 1: cage trap? I say packed. We're not too terribly fire
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Speaker 1: from the truck.
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Speaker 4: Oh I couldn't even tell it's on your back I
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Speaker 4: thought you were just standing in front of it.
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Speaker 2: Looks like it's up on that.
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Speaker 1: No, it's not a backpack mount. I see this is
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Speaker 1: on Saturday. No, yeah, Saturday. So that's on a backpack frame.
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Speaker 1: And if you look, you'll see on and explain this.
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Speaker 1: You see how there's a little white thing off of
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Speaker 1: on lookers left of my head. There's a little white box.
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Speaker 1: All right. So they have all these cats on collars,
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Speaker 1: they cannot they will not share those waypoints. So he
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Speaker 1: works on the project, but he does not have access
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Speaker 1: to the waypoints. Okay, because you know, you think about
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Speaker 1: like a guy could be tempted, Like, you know, let's
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Speaker 1: just say, for instance, that bodcasts are going for a
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Speaker 1: couple thousand bucks a pop. A guy might be like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'd like to know where all those cats are with
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Speaker 1: those collars.
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Speaker 5: There's a project for Arizona fishing.
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Speaker 1: Game, the state state project. So he doesn't get he
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Speaker 1: does not He cannot log on and get access to
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Speaker 1: the points. But they had a cat that's collar fell off.
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Speaker 1: They want to get how's this going. Yeah, the cat's
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Speaker 1: collar fell off. They want to get a particular cat
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Speaker 1: back on collar. So they shared with him some old points.
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Speaker 1: They're like, here's a couple honey holes that this cat likes.
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Speaker 1: So we hiked up to one of these honey holes
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Speaker 1: that the cat likes, and that little contraption we we
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Speaker 1: went out and checked one of these. So that little contraption,
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Speaker 1: when that door springs, that sends a signal.
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Speaker 5: I had a question, and it hits his phone before
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Speaker 5: you catch it.
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Speaker 1: And once it hits his phone, the race is on.
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Speaker 6: What's he is he baiting? Is he putting up like
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Speaker 6: compact disc flashy?
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Speaker 1: You want to know what use? So you're saying you
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Speaker 1: want to know what that set is, I'll tell you
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Speaker 1: about that set. That's he makes that trap that's a
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Speaker 1: double door. So this cat has already been in single
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Speaker 1: door cage traps. She's all done with traps. You don't
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Speaker 1: like no kind of traps. No more is the feeling
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Speaker 1: Mercer's getting. You only ask cats so many times to
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Speaker 1: go through this. So that door is double door, so
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Speaker 1: it's open door. So when we went up under that,
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Speaker 1: right up under that that juniper behind me there, we
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Speaker 1: went up in there and basically up against the rock
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Speaker 1: wall with brush sort of made it like a very
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Speaker 1: natural tunnel cave. Well no, because the cave is like
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Speaker 1: dead end. So a normal cave trap, there's a back wall.
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Speaker 1: This is a double door trap, which has its own limitations.
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Speaker 1: It's not perfect, but in this case of a cat,
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Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, I'm not doing that again. So we
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Speaker 1: put it again in there and it's two doors open.
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Speaker 1: Now the problem with two doors, and I think this
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Speaker 1: is a bigger problem than Mercer does. He says, this
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Speaker 1: is not actually a problem, and I've made it up
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Speaker 1: my head. But so there's a door on each end,
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Speaker 1: both spring loaded. Now picture that the cat who's already
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Speaker 1: on like you know, they just like they're tight, they're
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Speaker 1: wired tight. That thing hits that pan and the and
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Speaker 1: like you know, this thing moves, that thing moves. That
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Speaker 1: thing moves, I mean the trigger mechanism, like the pan moves,
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Speaker 1: that pulls a wire that pops a trigger, right, and
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Speaker 1: daring that this already high strung cat instead of him
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Speaker 1: needing to do a one ages which in a single
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Speaker 1: door trap, he's got a spin right, I'm like, what
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Speaker 1: how is it that that thing doesn't already get the signal?
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Speaker 1: It isn't already out that front door. And he says,
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Speaker 1: He's like, you're making this up and freeze. He says
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Speaker 1: it doesn't. He says, it works. I'll get to the
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Speaker 1: set at a minute, not do the set right now.
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Speaker 1: So we mound it. We put it in and along
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Speaker 1: a very good like natural hunt thing that that's pulled
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Speaker 1: packrat pack rat nests up an air sowoded in there
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Speaker 1: hunting rabbits, hunting pack red news looks very natural. It's
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Speaker 1: an open tunnel mounted it with brush, so it looks
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Speaker 1: real natural under the pan in the center. He dug
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Speaker 1: it out and he put two kinds of lure in there,
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Speaker 1: two kinds of cat lure that he makes. He put
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Speaker 1: cat droppings, bobcat droppings inside each door and then sprayed
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Speaker 1: it with a mix signature blend of cat piss and
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Speaker 1: rotten rattlesnake juice, which shot me in the face with.
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Speaker 1: He's like, I'm sitting when we're rigging the setup. I'm
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Speaker 1: sitting there helping rig the setup. And no sooner does
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Speaker 1: he say, Hey, you're gonna want to move because you're
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Speaker 1: not gonna want this on. And like it's sort of
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Speaker 1: I like begin my emotion and I'm like you in
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Speaker 1: the face, so move. I'm like, yeah, we didn't give
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Speaker 1: time to move.
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Speaker 6: Other than the rattlesnake juice. He's like, he's appealing, appealing
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Speaker 6: to their like territoriality.
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Speaker 5: It's not like food.
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Speaker 1: It's all see talking to him, man, it's it's all curiosity. Now.
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Speaker 1: He says, a cat in the north is on a
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Speaker 1: different trip. A cat in the North is hungry. Desert
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Speaker 1: cats they're interested in. They want to be they want
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Speaker 1: to be intrigued. You're not gonna get them on like that.
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Speaker 1: He's starving, because.
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Speaker 6: There would like a couple of spots in Colorado word
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Speaker 6: be out hunting like whatever cottontails in the winter and
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Speaker 6: run across cage traps like this. They'd often have like
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Speaker 6: Christmas tinsel.
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Speaker 1: I'm not that far. We hung a on that juniper.
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Speaker 1: Their lookers right side of that juniper. There's a big
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Speaker 1: like purple feather pom pom that I hung there because
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Speaker 1: in that way he could be up on the rim
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Speaker 1: and see it up on the rim and then have
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Speaker 1: a line of sight to that pom pom. And so
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Speaker 1: two kinds of lure droppings rattlesnake juice, and then a
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Speaker 1: visual some feather the visual attractor, some feather visual attractor
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Speaker 1: inside the cage. When it pops, when that door goes down,
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Speaker 1: it pulls a mag no, not a magnet, It pulls
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Speaker 1: like a pin out of that box. That box. We
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Speaker 1: went and checked one that had gotten tripped by another reason.
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Speaker 1: But depending on the time of day, they want him
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Speaker 1: out there right now, Like I was surprised one of
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Speaker 1: his things tripped, and he's taking me to the airport
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Speaker 1: and it was daytime and he couldn't get there for
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Speaker 1: five hours. I'm like, what the hell's gonna happen tod
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Speaker 1: in five hours? He's like, that don't fly, it's now.
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Speaker 1: So he had to call someone. I'm like, nothing's gonna
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Speaker 1: happen to that cat in five hours. But he's like,
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Speaker 1: this is not how it works. Like when that signal goes,
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Speaker 1: you go there. They don't want any risk of harm.
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Speaker 1: Oh of harm. It gets too hot, it gets too
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Speaker 1: stressed something and starts harassing it and stresses it. So
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Speaker 1: it's like you you go, you're ready, you gotta be ready.
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Speaker 1: You got ready to spring into action. Can you go
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Speaker 1: to my other thing? Yes?
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Speaker 3: Maybe, dude.
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Speaker 1: He's my new favorite painting. What's it called. I didn't
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Speaker 1: know this story, these two lions. This is all the story,
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Speaker 1: the two lions. There's this whole story. Theodore Roosevelt commented
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Speaker 1: on this.
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Speaker 7: You didn't know that ghost in the darkness.
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Speaker 1: They ate one hundred and forty people working on a
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Speaker 1: rail line in Africa. They had to pause railroad construction
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Speaker 1: because these lions got this. Paintings by John Banovitch. It's
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Speaker 1: these lions eating a dude. You can, but it's beautifully
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Speaker 1: There's a great movie.
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Speaker 6: A great movie that plays fast and loose with the facts.
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Speaker 1: Well, how do you need to get fast?
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Speaker 7: I mean the facts they bring in like they bring
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Speaker 7: in an American hunter audience. That's Michael Douglas.
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Speaker 1: That's who gets stuff done. Man, you want something done.
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Speaker 7: There's the one guy who always plays an imperious like
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Speaker 7: British official. I don't know his name, but you recognize him.
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Speaker 1: He's a he's a method, he's a character actor as
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Speaker 1: a British official.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a quick read.
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Speaker 2: It's a good Can we cover that movie?
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Speaker 7: And I asked a trivia question about it radio.
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Speaker 1: So if you want to see a painting, it is
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Speaker 1: my new my new goal in life is to get
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Speaker 1: a print, a big, nice print of these lines eating
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Speaker 1: that dude's leg. If you want to see a painting,
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Speaker 1: if you if you're listening, you want to see a
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Speaker 1: painting type in Banovich B A N O V I
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Speaker 1: C H. I met him. The reason I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: this whole thing anyways, I just met him at the
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Speaker 1: I met him.
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Speaker 2: My question is why is the line on the left.
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Speaker 2: What's up with his face? He's reacting to this.
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Speaker 1: He's got lin diseasy, he's getting it is getting too close.
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Speaker 1: He's styling it off actual cats.
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Speaker 7: I read I read in the the description of it
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Speaker 7: in the auction site, or I guess on his site
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Speaker 7: that he saw the mounts of the cats and didn't
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Speaker 7: think they were they were shoting good enough shape, so
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Speaker 7: he visualized of the spirit of the cats, well other cats.
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Speaker 6: If I'm remembering correctly, it was two males that for
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Speaker 6: some reason didn't have manes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they say that they weren't getting any play.
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Speaker 5: Started focusing on people.
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Speaker 1: One hundred and forty people. Teddy Roosevelt thought it was
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Speaker 1: a cool story. Oh, anyways, Banovich meat Man eaters of
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Speaker 1: Tsavo t s a v Oh. That is a painting.
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Speaker 1: That's a painting. I'd like to wake up that every day.
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Speaker 1: If I brought that panty home, I was like, what
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Speaker 1: do you like about it? The foot?
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Speaker 2: The foot, Okay, that's what I thought.
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Speaker 1: The foot, it's.
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Speaker 5: Very very the human correct foot.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the foot is pain but I feel like feet
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Speaker 1: are hard.
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Speaker 6: I feel like you should have got a little thigh
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Speaker 6: bone in the middle of the No, dude.
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Speaker 1: You can't over in the hand if I was drunk.
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Speaker 1: Here's why that painting is good. If I knew how
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Speaker 1: to paint and I was painting that, i'd have a
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Speaker 1: whole pile of dead guys. Yeah, I mean I'd overdo it.
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Speaker 1: I'd overdo it. There'd be like dudes parts everywhere and everything.
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Speaker 7: You know, the artistry is straight.
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Speaker 1: That's what makes him good is he knows not to
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Speaker 1: have a whole pile of guys.
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Speaker 7: The first time I looked at it, I didn't see
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Speaker 7: the foot.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it takes you thirty seconds.
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Speaker 1: That's why he's a painter and I'm not. Yeah, I'm not.
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Speaker 5: You should commission him to do something for you.
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Speaker 2: But either either the human was small or those cats
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Speaker 2: were just they're dude six, understand.
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Speaker 3: I think like an there taxidermied at the Field Museum
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Speaker 3: in Chugen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think that they're not in great shape.
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Speaker 1: Yeah that's a paint. Yeah, I would have had all
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Speaker 1: one hundred and forty people piled up and like I
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Speaker 1: just gone over.
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Speaker 7: Over with an actual crown on his head.
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Speaker 1: And knowing about my painting. Man with that painting, because
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Speaker 1: you look at it and as you're like, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: there's a foot in there, and it's a good foot.
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Speaker 1: It's the green foot, you know. David Foster, the writer
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Speaker 1: David Foster Wallace once wrote a piece about he profiled.
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Speaker 1: He profiled David Lynch, and in his discussion of David
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Speaker 1: Lynch was talking about Quentin Tarantino and he's talking about
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Speaker 1: Tarantino's famous scene from Reservoir Dogs where a guy gets
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Speaker 1: his ear cut off, and he's talking about David Lynch's
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Speaker 1: famous scene where a man finds an ear. And he
13:44
Speaker 1: said the difference between David Lynch and Quentin Tarantino. Quentin
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Speaker 1: Tarantino is interested in an ear getting cut off. David
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Speaker 1: Lynch is interested in the ear. So it's just like
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Speaker 1: a different that that's me and that painter, you know.
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Speaker 1: We'll give you a minute. Randall, do you know about this, Johanni?
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Speaker 1: Randall's gotta plug something, all.
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Speaker 7: Right, I need to plug this for my dear friend
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Speaker 7: Kevin Monteeth, uh if he's been on the podcast twice correct,
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Speaker 7: most recently maybe last year or so. He's a biologist
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Speaker 7: uh at the University of Wyoming, teaches wildlife science and
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Speaker 7: he's got a research becalls it the Monteeth Shop. It's
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Speaker 7: like a research lab where they do all kinds of
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Speaker 7: stuff on what we think of as big game, you know,
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Speaker 7: like elk, dear moose, antelope. They do a lot of
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Speaker 7: migration research and it's like very applied science. So they're
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Speaker 7: doing a fundraiser banquet that's this coming weekend if you're
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Speaker 7: listening to this when the show drops April eleventh, it's
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Speaker 7: in Laramie. It's called Echoes of the Tracks and it's
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Speaker 7: their annual fundraising event. Randy Neuberg will be there. He's
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Speaker 7: speaking and they've got they've still got tickets available. So
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Speaker 7: if you are in the Laramie area, go to Monteethshop
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Speaker 7: dot org and then there's a little tab that says
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Speaker 7: connect and you'll see Echoes of the Tracks. Or if
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Speaker 7: you just google Monteeth Echoes of the Tracks, you can
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Speaker 7: find all the info there. And then they also are
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Speaker 7: doing a raffle with muly Fanatic Foundation for a Wyoming
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Speaker 7: Commissioner's license, So that is a commissioner's license allows you
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Speaker 7: to hunt deer, antelope, or elk. You pick a species
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Speaker 7: in any unit that's open to hunting.
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Speaker 1: So well they got their hands on that's good.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Wyoming.
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Speaker 7: Wyoming supports a lot of cool like conservation groups with
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Speaker 7: those commissioner's licenses. So there's this is called the seven
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Speaker 7: seven two two zero Raffle, the seventy two twenty Raffle.
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Speaker 7: If you google that you'll find it. And again they're
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Speaker 7: drawing it the night of the banquet April eleventh, so
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Speaker 7: get online and just you can google seven two two
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Speaker 7: zero raffle and get yourself in there. Get yourself in
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Speaker 7: there and support wildlife and wildlife research.
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Speaker 1: Another thing they focus heavily on at the Monteeth Shop
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Speaker 1: is the role of pre natal and natal uh what's
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Speaker 1: the word nutrition.
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Speaker 3: On?
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Speaker 1: Let me back that up. They do a lot of
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Speaker 1: work around how let's just look at it just strictly
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Speaker 1: from antlers. When you see a big buck. They've done
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Speaker 1: a lot of work in exploring explaining how that big buck,
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Speaker 1: in some ways his bigness was determined while he was
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Speaker 1: in the womb. The way in which uh cow el
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Speaker 1: muldeer does. The condition they're in as they're carrying their
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Speaker 1: baby says as much or more about the outcome of
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Speaker 1: that baby than anything that happens in its own life.
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Speaker 6: And you can also say a lot about the land
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Speaker 6: that they're living on, right, Yeah, productive that landscape is.
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Speaker 1: Those are phenomenal episodes and also talks a lot about
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Speaker 1: when we say an area has When there's an area
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Speaker 1: that produces a lot of big bulls or a lot
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Speaker 1: of big bucks, hunters will say that area has great genetics.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. He would argue, maybe I can tell you
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Speaker 1: what it has for sure, though, is great nutrition and
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Speaker 1: low stress fat mothers. You know, low stress, great nutrition.
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Speaker 1: It's not a genetics thing.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, So check out again montesshop dot org and you
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Speaker 7: can find the link there for the for the event
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Speaker 7: echoes of the tracks, and then you can also find
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Speaker 7: this raffle.
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Speaker 2: But April eleventh, there's only seven and fifty tickets.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but pretty much gonna win it for sure.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, they've got there are quite a few for sale.
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Speaker 7: Your odds will probably be better than that, better than one.
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Speaker 1: And seven to fifty.
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Speaker 7: How much they cost one hundred bucks or three hundred
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Speaker 7: for five?
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Speaker 1: Really something like that. Yeah, remind me after the show,
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Speaker 1: I get in on that. I win that, sucker.
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Speaker 7: Let's all get in on it, Philly, right for corrections.
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Speaker 8: Isn't there one more thing to talk about?
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Speaker 1: Nothing I'm ware of. Yeah, just minutes ago, you know
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Speaker 1: how hot and fresh my cat update was. Yep, carrying
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Speaker 1: that cat trap. This seems hotter and fresher because just
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Speaker 1: minutes ago we wrapped our first So Doug during been
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Speaker 1: on the show many times. Doug is behind like building
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Speaker 1: a new organization called Sharing the Land. I'll be talking
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Speaker 1: about this a lot more coming up. Sharing the Land
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Speaker 1: is an organization that creates that pairs access seekers with
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Speaker 1: landowners on the promise of the access seekers doing work,
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Speaker 1: conservation work, whatever kind of things need to be done
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Speaker 1: on the land. So it's not a cash exchange that happens,
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Speaker 1: but it's a work that happens. It can be an
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Speaker 1: number of the access seekers can come to maniforms, fishermen, hunters.
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Speaker 1: They've even had an access seekers looking for a great
19:43
Speaker 1: place to walk a dog, and then they got a
19:46
Speaker 1: lot of landowners they're looking to have certain kinds of
19:48
Speaker 1: projects taken care of on their place. It's growing and
19:53
Speaker 1: we just had the very first just minutes ago. It
19:56
Speaker 1: became officially a nonprofit all in corporated and everything. I'm
20:01
Speaker 1: on the board and we just had our first board meeting.
20:04
Speaker 1: I'll be talking a lot more about that coming up.
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Speaker 6: Well, you should at least tell people how like give
20:08
Speaker 6: them a website to go to if they're interested.
20:10
Speaker 1: In type up sharing the land. Yeah, go dig up,
20:14
Speaker 1: go dig up on sharing the land. We got all
20:15
Speaker 1: kind of ideas we're going to do to make that.
20:17
Speaker 5: Organization, make your kids do to hunt turkeys.
20:20
Speaker 1: He's already told me what they got to do this year.
20:22
Speaker 1: He's doing like a grasslands like sort of like a
20:25
Speaker 1: savannah restoration kind of deal. And they got to work
20:28
Speaker 1: on that this year. In the past they've had in
20:30
Speaker 1: the past they've had to burn, burn projects, all kinds
20:35
Speaker 1: of things. He puts them doing. So this week they're
20:38
Speaker 1: uh some stream side stuff. But this year it's working
20:42
Speaker 1: on his his open lands area. So this week corrections
20:48
Speaker 1: ready Phil corrections, corrections. Okay, all you boot wears out there. Sorry,
20:56
Speaker 1: This week the winter gets this the this week on corrections,
21:00
Speaker 1: the corrections winner gets a Moultrie Edge three pro trail
21:06
Speaker 1: camera and not just that, a one year subscription. So
21:11
Speaker 1: you get a a cellular camera and a one year
21:16
Speaker 1: subscription so you can run your camera, watch stuff, get
21:21
Speaker 1: your great pictures. I would advise you go set it
21:24
Speaker 1: by a beaver. Damn. That's what I like doing a bunch.
21:26
Speaker 1: But you put you put put a word to hell
21:28
Speaker 1: you want y'a.
21:29
Speaker 5: It's like setting it.
21:30
Speaker 6: So it doesn't take it pictures of anything but deer
21:32
Speaker 6: in turkeys.
21:33
Speaker 1: No, because he sends me pictures of bobcasts and fishers.
21:37
Speaker 4: It it depends on the camera. We have a lot
21:40
Speaker 4: of them set up.
21:42
Speaker 1: We set one out for bobcasts. Recently. Boy, we've got
21:44
Speaker 1: everything but down in Texas. You believe the stuff that
21:49
Speaker 1: walks by there, but no bodcasts.
21:51
Speaker 2: Did you see any pictures in me?
21:53
Speaker 1: No? I looked if we also have a little problem.
21:56
Speaker 1: We lost the camera. We waypointed where we like waypointed
22:02
Speaker 1: where we wanted to put it based off some information
22:05
Speaker 1: we had. Yeah, and so we waypointed where, and then
22:08
Speaker 1: we changed our mind and put it somewhere else. So like,
22:11
Speaker 1: hey on, he go, get my camera. It's over at
22:13
Speaker 1: this waypoint and yeah, and he goes. He's like, definitely
22:15
Speaker 1: no cameras.
22:17
Speaker 4: He sends me a picture and I'm like, send me
22:19
Speaker 4: a picture of what it's looking at. And there's grasp
22:23
Speaker 4: there's like one skinny little mesquite and I look at it.
22:28
Speaker 2: I look around. I go, oh, there's a ski little MISKI.
22:30
Speaker 2: I walk over there. I'm looking for the camera. I'm like, dang,
22:33
Speaker 2: I'll kind of look back. I'm like, oh, there's that mesquite.
22:35
Speaker 4: Walk over there in ten yards and then I see
22:38
Speaker 4: I see ten others mosquits.
22:39
Speaker 2: It looked just like it thought all right.
22:41
Speaker 1: So after he searched, I went in to see if
22:44
Speaker 1: I had any videos of him walking around, and I
22:46
Speaker 1: could hate to tell you we're even close. I did
22:49
Speaker 1: not catch you looking about.
22:52
Speaker 6: We gave it a college trap pictures from the camera
22:54
Speaker 6: that you don't know where it's at. Yeah, well that's
22:57
Speaker 6: going to be a bummer when you get It's gonna
22:59
Speaker 6: be hard to find.
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Speaker 4: But oh I thought that. Now it depends on which
23:03
Speaker 4: model it is. But some of them are GPS enabled.
23:06
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know what, why didn't we think of
23:08
Speaker 1: that when you were down there?
23:10
Speaker 2: It's not really my problem.
23:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's acted a little bit like he wasn't gonna
23:16
Speaker 1: spend too much time on that issue either. We'll find it, Yeah,
23:19
Speaker 1: we'll use We'll use that.
23:21
Speaker 3: This camera does have GPS.
23:23
Speaker 1: Oh all right, sweet, plost a one year subscription. You'll
23:27
Speaker 1: be up and run and send us some cool pictures
23:29
Speaker 1: if you win.
23:30
Speaker 3: Uh.
23:31
Speaker 1: Okay, first off, oh, you know we wrote in okay,
23:37
Speaker 1: is this a correction? This thing about the goats? No.
23:42
Speaker 3: Basically, like about twenty five to thirty percent plus of
23:47
Speaker 3: the corrections came in commenting on your reading the numbers
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Speaker 3: like that.
23:55
Speaker 1: They don't like it when you say one hundred and
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Speaker 1: ten thousand. They want to be like when you write
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Speaker 1: a chew it.
23:59
Speaker 3: Was, like you said, because I didn't go back to
24:01
Speaker 3: listen one hundred ten thousand, seven hundred and ninety five
24:05
Speaker 3: thousand dollars like you said, one thousand twice. So we've
24:09
Speaker 3: got so many nitpicks.
24:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, we brought it on ourselves. You know.
24:15
Speaker 3: That was like the largest number of corrections for that.
24:18
Speaker 1: Okay, so we got millions of corrections. We picked out
24:21
Speaker 1: three that we like. One is about how Randal don't
24:24
Speaker 1: know sports.
24:25
Speaker 7: Sure, yeah, there are a lot of these. Got a
24:28
Speaker 7: lot of messages the team here that answers these emails
24:34
Speaker 7: for quite a number of these to me. So in
24:38
Speaker 7: episode eight fifty three, I interviewed Will Cheddar from the
24:43
Speaker 7: University of Michigan basketball team, and afterwards, as sort of
24:45
Speaker 7: a throwaway line, just to gas up a friend of
24:48
Speaker 7: the program, I said, he's the hardest fishermen in college sports,
24:52
Speaker 7: the hardest fishing dude in college sports. Something like that,
24:54
Speaker 7: which is which is very subjective, very subjective. I'll know,
24:58
Speaker 7: when you say he's the coolest guy in town, no
25:02
Speaker 7: one turns to you and says, have you met everybody
25:05
Speaker 7: in town? You know, So as soon as I said that,
25:10
Speaker 7: actually this went through my head that there are college
25:13
Speaker 7: fishing teams.
25:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I chimed in and agreed with you,
25:17
Speaker 1: but I don't know what I'm talking about, and.
25:18
Speaker 7: Then I didn't know, and then I didn't know what
25:20
Speaker 7: else to say other than yeah, that's what I agree with.
25:23
Speaker 7: So anyway, with this email from Layton from Oklahoma got
25:28
Speaker 7: selected as the most I think articulate and well supported one.
25:33
Speaker 7: There are a lot of them that accused me of
25:35
Speaker 7: insulting college bass fishing teams.
25:39
Speaker 1: It's not even bringing them up.
25:40
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, one accused me of both omitting it and
25:44
Speaker 7: dismissing it, which I think is a contradiction in terms
25:48
Speaker 7: or overlooking it and dismissing it. So anyway, with the
25:52
Speaker 7: demands of tournament Layton rites with the demands of tournament play,
25:55
Speaker 7: regular season games, practices, and schoolwork, I respectfully disagree that
25:59
Speaker 7: will conclaim this idol. Dedicated college fishing athletes spend far
26:03
Speaker 7: more time on the water as a part of their
26:04
Speaker 7: actual sport. For instance, athletes like Garrett Smith of Lander
26:08
Speaker 7: University and his teammate Andrew Blanton have won back to
26:11
Speaker 7: back Strike King Bass Master College National championships. College bass
26:15
Speaker 7: teams compete in multiple events per season across the Bass
26:17
Speaker 7: Master College Series, with tournaments often spanning two days plus
26:20
Speaker 7: official practice periods, many teams fish ten to fifteen or
26:24
Speaker 7: more events annually, in addition to countless hours of off
26:26
Speaker 7: season practice, scouting, and travel all the way while maintaining
26:29
Speaker 7: full academic schedules. This level of on the water commitment
26:32
Speaker 7: easily surpasses what a student athlete in another sport, even
26:37
Speaker 7: one who fishes recreationally as much as Will can log.
26:40
Speaker 7: These college anglers truly embody what it means to be
26:43
Speaker 7: the hardest fishers in college sports. Keep up the great
26:46
Speaker 7: work on the podcast. I enjoyed every week.
26:48
Speaker 1: I don't know now, I kind of flip flopped on
26:51
Speaker 1: this one. You thought it was, well where did you start?
26:55
Speaker 1: You were wrong? But I'm like, these guys are just
26:57
Speaker 1: in it for the money. Learning for the money, dude.
27:01
Speaker 1: If someone, I mean chatter dude, is in it for
27:03
Speaker 1: the love, you know.
27:04
Speaker 7: I'm well aware of I'm well aware of college bass
27:08
Speaker 7: fishing competitions. When we were an arbor and Metwill, we
27:13
Speaker 7: went fishing with the University of Michigan fishing team. Will
27:16
Speaker 7: connected us with them because he fishes with us.
27:19
Speaker 1: That hard and harder than they do.
27:22
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, yeah, that's really what I intended to make
27:26
Speaker 7: on this podcast, was just a solid claim that will
27:30
Speaker 7: fish is harder than anyone instead of just sort of
27:32
Speaker 7: being a throwaway line. But in any event, yeah, as
27:35
Speaker 7: soon as I said this and we got like thirty
27:37
Speaker 7: seconds past it in the in the podcast, I thought, oh,
27:41
Speaker 7: maybe I should have said something about college.
27:44
Speaker 1: Bass fishing years well, but I.
27:46
Speaker 7: Didn't want to bring it back up. And if someone
27:48
Speaker 7: in the room had said, Randall, you're forgetting about college
27:51
Speaker 7: bass fishing, I wouldn't have fought them on it. I
27:54
Speaker 7: would have just said, you know what, you're right. But
27:57
Speaker 7: what I'm interested in highlighting is that a guy who's
27:59
Speaker 7: playing for the national championship tonight went fishing in between
28:05
Speaker 7: winning an Elite eight game and winning a Final four game.
28:08
Speaker 7: You know, Like I think it's I just meant to
28:10
Speaker 7: highlight that it's cool that he's fishing. And I also
28:13
Speaker 7: don't think vot I don't think that, And this is
28:16
Speaker 7: this is nothing against like my pushback here is nothing
28:20
Speaker 7: against college bass fishing anglers. I won't I don't want
28:22
Speaker 7: that to be misconstrued. But like, but I I don't
28:26
Speaker 7: think the time on the water is a measure of
28:28
Speaker 7: how hard one fishes. I think a retired dentist who
28:33
Speaker 7: fishes every single day of his life is not necessarily
28:37
Speaker 7: a harder guy, a harder angler than like somebody who
28:40
Speaker 7: works a ten hour shift and fishes two hours on
28:42
Speaker 7: the way home every single day. Like, I think there's
28:46
Speaker 7: some balance. I think, like when I talk about someone
28:48
Speaker 7: who hunts or fishes hard, I think about how they
28:52
Speaker 7: commit to it within the broader responsibilities of their lives.
28:56
Speaker 1: So so that's don't stay in corrected.
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Speaker 7: No, I think I think it's a fine correction to
29:02
Speaker 7: highlight that there's competitive college bass fishing out there.
29:06
Speaker 1: Do they fish?
29:07
Speaker 7: I don't push back against that, but I think like
29:10
Speaker 7: taking yeah, like and Will has never claimed to be
29:14
Speaker 7: the hardest fishing guy. Again, this was just to throw
29:16
Speaker 7: away line, So I stand corrected, but but not but
29:22
Speaker 7: not fully.
29:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, what you're doing is you're doing one of those
29:26
Speaker 1: I like it too. I like to do this, I'm saying. Okay,
29:31
Speaker 1: so I'm wrong, But am I right?
29:35
Speaker 7: What I'm saying is like this, You know what I
29:39
Speaker 7: meant to say here, I was just meanting to highlight
29:41
Speaker 7: someone who excels in one area of life also being
29:45
Speaker 7: super passionately committed to fishing.
29:49
Speaker 1: Let's say there's a guy that works.
29:50
Speaker 7: Twenty I think as a community, who should celebrate that.
29:52
Speaker 1: Lit's this guy, it works twenty three hours a day. Yeah,
29:55
Speaker 1: he works a twenty three hour shift seven days a week,
29:58
Speaker 1: fishes one minute, and then when he has an hour,
30:01
Speaker 1: his when his shift ends. His shift ends at ten
30:04
Speaker 1: pm and he's due back at eleven pm. A lot
30:08
Speaker 1: of guys can go home and get like a check
30:11
Speaker 1: in on their wife, goodbye, take a nap. He goes
30:15
Speaker 1: out to the pond out back and just pounds water
30:20
Speaker 1: for one hour, and I'm like, that's the hardest fishing
30:24
Speaker 1: man out there. These guys would be like, who do
30:27
Speaker 1: there's a professional bass fisherman. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah,
30:32
Speaker 1: it's not what I meant.
30:33
Speaker 7: And that's truly like I stand on that, Like, I
30:37
Speaker 7: don't think time on the water is the only measure
30:40
Speaker 7: of how hard.
30:41
Speaker 1: Somebody fishes if they're fishing yellow perch or something, but
30:45
Speaker 1: they're fishing bass.
30:46
Speaker 6: You could make the argument too, that that cheddar is
30:48
Speaker 6: all about doing it for the love of it.
30:51
Speaker 1: These guys, these are big, big high roller, big big,
30:54
Speaker 1: big money college Bass guys. I don't want to make any.
30:58
Speaker 7: Any excursions or or put anything else out there in
31:02
Speaker 7: the world that could be taken.
31:05
Speaker 1: Brody thinks the corrections is taking the whole show over.
31:08
Speaker 2: It is all right, number two.
31:10
Speaker 1: All right, here's a good one. For example, this is corrected. Oh,
31:14
Speaker 1: this is corrected. Me I screwed up well or not so.
31:19
Speaker 1: In episode eight fifty seven, at the end of spencer
31:21
Speaker 1: segment about the super bloom and Death Valley, Steve makes
31:25
Speaker 1: the statement that somewhere outside of Santiago, Chili is the
31:29
Speaker 1: driest place on Earth. I believe the area he is
31:33
Speaker 1: referring to is the Atacoma Desert. Correct, that's what we're
31:36
Speaker 1: referring to. He says, this has been referred to as
31:39
Speaker 1: the driest place on Earth. But that statement comes with
31:41
Speaker 1: an asterisk. Asterisk risk. I never say the ass because
31:47
Speaker 1: the full story is it is the driest. This this
31:53
Speaker 1: is a good correction. It's the driest non polar desert
31:58
Speaker 1: on Earth. Okay. They base the dryness of an area
32:03
Speaker 1: on its availability of liquid water, and there is a
32:08
Speaker 1: place that has less, and the Atacoma the average annual
32:13
Speaker 1: rainfall is about fifteen millimeters, with some areas receiving only
32:19
Speaker 1: one to three millimeters of annual precipitation annual rainfall. Meanwhile,
32:26
Speaker 1: the McMurdo Dry Valleys of Antarctica receive anywhere from five
32:32
Speaker 1: to one hundred millimeters per year, but that precipitation falls
32:36
Speaker 1: strictly as snowfall. Now, once you take into account the
32:41
Speaker 1: other factors such as temperature and humidity, that's when it
32:44
Speaker 1: becomes more clear the extreme cold and strong winds that
32:49
Speaker 1: sweet most snowfall that does occur leave no trace of
32:53
Speaker 1: water left. Some areas within the valleys have not seen
32:58
Speaker 1: liquid water in over two million years. On the flip side,
33:04
Speaker 1: the Atacama Desert also has the benefit of common chaka
33:10
Speaker 1: or coastal fog, adding a little humidity to the area. So,
33:17
Speaker 1: in short, well the Atacama Desert receives less precipitation than
33:21
Speaker 1: almost anywhere on Earth. It is still not considered the
33:24
Speaker 1: driest place on Earth. That belongs that title belongs to
33:28
Speaker 1: the McMurdo Dry Valleys. And then he has a nitpick
33:32
Speaker 1: where I say just outside of Santiago, Chile, and he
33:35
Speaker 1: points out that this is actually five hundred miles away.
33:39
Speaker 1: Whatever good correction that's a great correction. He didn't lay
33:45
Speaker 1: out his credit two.
33:46
Speaker 6: Million years go on, Oh, I got to talk about
33:50
Speaker 6: another dry place since Spencer's not here.
33:54
Speaker 1: This is real bad on Spencer, looks real bad.
33:56
Speaker 6: This is bad mass Spencer episode eight fifty. Spencer was
34:01
Speaker 6: setting up a discussion for the Death Valley super bloom
34:05
Speaker 6: and uh, when's he rolling.
34:07
Speaker 1: Me into this?
34:07
Speaker 6: I don't know why I'm gonna take you out of
34:09
Speaker 6: it because you didn't have nothing to do with it. Yeah,
34:12
Speaker 6: this was Spencer's deal, not Steve's. And Spencer mentioned that
34:16
Speaker 6: Death Valley was the former site of a lake, and
34:19
Speaker 6: he also mentioned at one point the lake used to
34:21
Speaker 6: be seven thousand feet deep, which is over a mile deep.
34:25
Speaker 1: Now this guy does a big old swing here in
34:27
Speaker 1: real sure.
34:29
Speaker 5: This is where this is?
34:30
Speaker 6: Like, you can't like, we can't argue with this guy
34:32
Speaker 6: after you read this part. As a geologist who studied
34:34
Speaker 6: the basin and range during my graduate years and currently
34:38
Speaker 6: studies plisis scene geology in the Upper Midwest, I knew
34:42
Speaker 6: immediately that this was right for a correction. So don't
34:45
Speaker 6: mess with this guy. Yes, there was a lake that
34:48
Speaker 6: existed across much of Death Valley during the place the
34:51
Speaker 6: scene based on its hydrology and lack of outflow. That's
34:54
Speaker 6: where Steve and I checked in. I think was that
34:57
Speaker 6: it's a dead end, Like, yeah, I don't know what
34:59
Speaker 6: I'm talking dead basin. However, that lake was never seven
35:03
Speaker 6: thousand feet deep even at its maximum. The lake that
35:07
Speaker 6: was referred to in the discussion is called Lake Manly,
35:10
Speaker 6: and it is still called that today when water accumulates
35:13
Speaker 6: in bad water basin core records in age dating from
35:17
Speaker 6: the Lowenstein that's the period.
35:20
Speaker 5: Of ten you want, do you need to explain that.
35:22
Speaker 6: No, that's he's sighting AA from Lowenstegin recognized two major
35:27
Speaker 6: periods of time when Death Valley had a perennial lake.
35:29
Speaker 6: The earliest was one hundred and eighty six to one
35:32
Speaker 6: hundred and twenty thousand years ago and the latest was
35:35
Speaker 6: thirty five thousand to ten thousand years ago, both periods
35:38
Speaker 6: where the climate was very cool and wet. The period
35:41
Speaker 6: from one to eighty six thousand to one twenty thousand
35:44
Speaker 6: years ago is believed to be when Lake Manly was
35:47
Speaker 6: at its largest and deepest extent at three hundred and
35:50
Speaker 6: thirty five meters or one thousand, ninety nine feet. While
35:54
Speaker 6: it is difficult to estimate the true depth of Lake
35:57
Speaker 6: Manly at its largest extent, it was definitely not seven
36:00
Speaker 6: thousand feet deep at any point.
36:03
Speaker 1: Big old correction, right Spencer's face, stump right into.
36:06
Speaker 5: His face, six thousand feet off, Spencer, you.
36:09
Speaker 1: Can still deep drop that lake. Oh yeah, that's like
36:12
Speaker 1: electric reel. That's like electric real country. No one wants
36:16
Speaker 1: to do that.
36:17
Speaker 7: Probably Spencer's not here to.
36:18
Speaker 1: I think he just meant you could deep drop it.
36:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's funny that Karinn laughed at your
36:23
Speaker 4: deep drop joke.
36:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we're going to do a whole We're.
36:27
Speaker 1: Gonna do a whole show dep drop boys.
36:29
Speaker 3: And then they're gonna do a whole music.
36:31
Speaker 1: Video dude, me and Seth show. We're gonna go to
36:34
Speaker 1: the gotten going yet looking for a sponsor. We go
36:40
Speaker 1: to the lower down and lower down a jig or
36:44
Speaker 1: like a bait, and people just tune in to see
36:47
Speaker 1: if we catch something.
36:49
Speaker 2: Now that expanded into the world. I'm intrigued.
36:52
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know that trend. It's like, what is it now?
36:56
Speaker 6: Norwegian slow TV?
36:57
Speaker 1: That's what you're saying, because the first three episodes, is
37:00
Speaker 1: it gonna be? It could be going down the.
37:03
Speaker 3: Best idea, Like we've been talking about doing some kind
37:06
Speaker 3: of slow TV.
37:07
Speaker 7: It's basically just a show called do we have enough Line?
37:12
Speaker 7: A lot of f says you just don't have enough line.
37:14
Speaker 1: Okay, So the multi trail camera one year subscription, get
37:20
Speaker 1: all kinds of crazy photos you can send us. Uh.
37:24
Speaker 1: Hardest angler in college sports how many votes?
37:28
Speaker 2: Zero?
37:30
Speaker 1: H driest place on Earth? Four votes. It's already decided,
37:38
Speaker 1: but just for the hell of death Valley gets too
37:41
Speaker 1: votes might change my vote.
37:43
Speaker 3: No, if someon is like hyper credentialed versus if if
37:51
Speaker 3: it's if the audience member is a lay person who
37:54
Speaker 3: gets interested and inspired to do research, Like does that
37:57
Speaker 3: weigh how you?
37:59
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't.
38:01
Speaker 2: I don't.
38:01
Speaker 1: I don't think it should be like picking your kid
38:03
Speaker 1: to win something.
38:04
Speaker 6: I just went based on the degree of the mistake.
38:06
Speaker 6: Just seemed more extreme than your mistake.
38:09
Speaker 1: Really extreme and a goofse on Spencer.
38:10
Speaker 7: So I like it, but you were the wrong content.
38:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's true. I was off y, you were
38:17
Speaker 1: more than six.
38:19
Speaker 2: We learned a lot from both.
38:21
Speaker 1: They were both good and they're at a common Dude
38:23
Speaker 1: had the double whammy where I also said it was.
38:25
Speaker 1: I don't know why, so it was just off the
38:28
Speaker 1: last Yeah, he had a double. Anytime he could have won,
38:31
Speaker 1: just off that.
38:31
Speaker 7: Anytime you can tell me something about Antarctica. I'm listening.
38:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was That was a great follow
38:36
Speaker 2: up fact. Uh Johnny seal Finger.
38:42
Speaker 3: Oh wait, so thanks Gabe to number two wins.
38:45
Speaker 1: Do we name their names? Because now people can.
38:47
Speaker 3: Be Okay, Phil can bleep that out.
38:53
Speaker 2: Flight record.
38:55
Speaker 1: They're gonna want to put their cameras under his membership.
38:58
Speaker 1: Put my cameras under your spot blank.
39:04
Speaker 2: You don't have a spot that camera, I do? You know?
39:08
Speaker 4: Uh, seal Finger. In case you guys are still interested
39:11
Speaker 4: in that.
39:12
Speaker 2: Uh.
39:14
Speaker 4: This fellow wrote in to say that his dad's hand
39:17
Speaker 4: made the news show. He was really excited. Turns out
39:20
Speaker 4: that his dad has what he thinks is like the
39:23
Speaker 4: most maybe researched case of seal finger ever and the
39:28
Speaker 4: pictures that were taken are like constantly getting used on
39:32
Speaker 4: the internet, just having to be the one that Krin
39:34
Speaker 4: found or I don't know who found.
39:36
Speaker 1: It, pulled some random seal finger photo. He's listening and
39:39
Speaker 1: he's like, that sounds like my dad's hand.
39:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh yeah, so he sent in. They were
39:45
Speaker 4: very excited that their family is now part of the
39:48
Speaker 4: meat eater universe. Randall highlighted this piece in his letter
39:52
Speaker 4: that we all laughed about. He writes, I called Dad
39:55
Speaker 4: and told him about it. He couldn't laugh that hard
39:58
Speaker 4: because he had just broken his ribs from a normobiliing.
40:00
Speaker 4: This happened later that day. He also lit his hair
40:04
Speaker 4: on fire using a friend's propane stove, which I have
40:08
Speaker 4: a video of. This fella's injury prone is what they
40:14
Speaker 4: call that. But small World's part of his story though,
40:19
Speaker 4: is he's like in the hospital getting ready to get
40:22
Speaker 4: surgery done on his hand, and the nurse is checking
40:25
Speaker 4: on him seeing that it's getting worse, and she calls
40:27
Speaker 4: the doctor on call and explains the situation, and the
40:29
Speaker 4: doc goes, Hey, ask the guy if he's been seal
40:32
Speaker 4: hunting lately, and he replies, yes, I have, and he goes, oh,
40:36
Speaker 4: I'll be right down with the proper antibiotics. And so
40:39
Speaker 4: instead of having to have surgery, they just hit him
40:42
Speaker 4: with the proper antibiotics and fixed him right up.
40:44
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know.
40:48
Speaker 4: Moral story is there. It's like the more you know, right,
40:51
Speaker 4: because yeah, saved him from having surgery just by being
40:56
Speaker 4: able to be like, yeah, surgery, you have a little
40:59
Speaker 4: card in your wallet, right, that kind of is supposed
41:01
Speaker 4: to act in that same way.
41:02
Speaker 1: But I'm just reading another thing he's got here. This
41:07
Speaker 1: is a rich letter, yeah, he says. A few years later,
41:10
Speaker 1: a friend was telling someone about the incident and searched
41:12
Speaker 1: it online. There it was Dad's hand, unmistakable because he
41:17
Speaker 1: had a small tattoo dot between his thumb and index.
41:22
Speaker 1: That was a test tattoo. So he at one point
41:29
Speaker 1: did a test tattoo to see about getting a tattoo
41:32
Speaker 1: and didn't, but he still has the dot from the test.
41:35
Speaker 6: Well, it was a test tattoo from one he was
41:37
Speaker 6: going to do himself with pennyk and a needle.
41:40
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the good part.
41:43
Speaker 4: He signs off by saying, as they do in Newfoundland,
41:46
Speaker 4: long may your big jib draw, which is a traditional
41:49
Speaker 4: Newfoundland toast, and saying that means made the wind always
41:52
Speaker 4: be in your sales, which steve in this case. You
41:55
Speaker 4: guys weren't here before we were recording, but we had
41:58
Speaker 4: a conversation about how some sayings don't translate well because
42:03
Speaker 4: they lose sort of their their flow or their rhythm,
42:07
Speaker 4: or you had other terms for it, but I feel
42:09
Speaker 4: like this one is actually better by.
42:12
Speaker 2: Saying you say, may the wind always be.
42:14
Speaker 4: In your sails versus long mate, your big jib draw
42:18
Speaker 4: that just doesn't roll off my tongue.
42:20
Speaker 1: Well, okay, you're right, But there's it's not just saying. Well,
42:24
Speaker 1: what I was trying to explain is I was like,
42:26
Speaker 1: we have this saying a stitch in time saves nine
42:28
Speaker 1: and there's like there's a lyrical quality to it in
42:31
Speaker 1: a rhyme. Yeah, so if some hoser in like Italy
42:35
Speaker 1: is saying in America, they have a saying and he
42:39
Speaker 1: does the saying in Italian, but it loses its rhymey
42:42
Speaker 1: quality and maybe it's not an efficient transfer of words,
42:45
Speaker 1: and so it winds up being clunky. And they go like, well,
42:48
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like a great saying because they're losing
42:51
Speaker 1: the fact that ours is rymy and quick.
42:53
Speaker 7: If you stitch it now, you may save yourself upwards
42:57
Speaker 7: of eight to nine stitches over a longer duration of time.
43:02
Speaker 1: Correct, And they'd be like, that doesn't sound like a
43:03
Speaker 1: great same Or there's there's this I've never I've never
43:07
Speaker 1: gone in fact checked this. But but some of the
43:10
Speaker 1: tribes on the Colombian Plateau had a word for the
43:14
Speaker 1: bitter Root mountains and it was like that that the
43:18
Speaker 1: spine of the bitter Roots. I never fact checked us.
43:20
Speaker 1: I've just been told this, the spine of the bitter Roots.
43:22
Speaker 1: They would talk about that, and it would say that
43:25
Speaker 1: that marked the land beyond which there are no salmon.
43:29
Speaker 1: But I feel like it's like when we do that
43:31
Speaker 1: with native expressions, it probably it just takes on a
43:35
Speaker 1: very different tonality, and maybe in their languages it was
43:38
Speaker 1: just it wasn't It didn't have that like sounds like
43:42
Speaker 1: someone translating, yeah, yeah, the land beyond which there are
43:46
Speaker 1: no salmon. It might have just been some little, you know,
43:50
Speaker 1: something that was yeah, like more quickly, you know. That's all.
43:55
Speaker 1: Here's a eteica question.
43:56
Speaker 2: Are we good? On knows we're good?
44:00
Speaker 1: Long mayor big jib draw? What was the other saying?
44:03
Speaker 1: You were just sitting us with Yanni. May you have
44:04
Speaker 1: the journey you prepared for?
44:06
Speaker 3: Uh?
44:07
Speaker 2: May you have the race that you prepared for?
44:10
Speaker 1: Okay, this is coming in. A guy says he lives
44:14
Speaker 1: in a small city in central Nebraska. This is inadequate questions, etiquette, etiquette.
44:18
Speaker 1: Every we pay attention. It's not a tourniquet, it's connecticutte question.
44:23
Speaker 1: I have an adequate question for you guys that I've
44:25
Speaker 1: been wrestling with over the past few days. He just
44:28
Speaker 1: recently got back into archery. He shoots at his city's
44:33
Speaker 1: public outdoor archery range. He says this past week he
44:40
Speaker 1: missed a shot low on one of the targets. He's
44:43
Speaker 1: only one at the range, so he goes out there
44:46
Speaker 1: and starts looking for his lost arrow. He looks for
44:48
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. During that time, he finds seven arrows, none
44:54
Speaker 1: of which were his own. He gives up for the day,
44:59
Speaker 1: but and then later remembers a trick from one of
45:02
Speaker 1: the hot tip offs from the late radio Live show
45:09
Speaker 1: We could pick those hot tip boks off. He remembers
45:12
Speaker 1: a tip where a guy says, hey, if you're trying
45:14
Speaker 1: to find arrows, wait till night and use a black
45:16
Speaker 1: light to find your arrows. That was a hot tip.
45:19
Speaker 1: He remembers hearing this hot tip about using a black
45:22
Speaker 1: light to find your arrow so he went and bought
45:27
Speaker 1: a black light, goes back out to the range after dark,
45:33
Speaker 1: found his arrow in under a minute. Kept looking around
45:37
Speaker 1: and found twelve a dozen arrows. Here's the question, are
45:47
Speaker 1: these his? Is it keepsies? Is it finders keepers, losers, weepers?
45:52
Speaker 1: Or should he go set them all out hoping that
45:54
Speaker 1: the right people come find them? This is legit. This
45:58
Speaker 1: is a legit question. This is a great question. Exactly
46:00
Speaker 1: how I would handle it.
46:02
Speaker 6: I think you'd probably take them and put them in
46:04
Speaker 6: a little bucket at the range and be like, are
46:05
Speaker 6: these yours.
46:06
Speaker 1: Dude, because they're going to get stolen by it. No, listen,
46:09
Speaker 1: other people are going to steal them. I think both
46:14
Speaker 1: are correct in this case. I'm saying finders keepers only
46:18
Speaker 1: because you have and well, okay, I'm back to I
46:25
Speaker 1: agree with brod leave me.
46:27
Speaker 7: I think you put up a sign at the range
46:29
Speaker 7: says lose narrow, text me a description and I'll see
46:34
Speaker 7: if I have it correct.
46:35
Speaker 6: You do this, pick the reals two or three sweet
46:38
Speaker 6: ones out, and then put the beat up.
46:40
Speaker 4: I mean, I think if he says that out of
46:43
Speaker 4: those twenty that he found four of them in the
46:46
Speaker 4: right size, weight length, which you better check on the
46:50
Speaker 4: spine too, but he says that they would work great
46:52
Speaker 4: in the setup, I think that yes, those people that
46:58
Speaker 4: lost their arrows could have done what he did and
47:01
Speaker 4: found their arrows.
47:02
Speaker 2: They didn't.
47:02
Speaker 4: They've like assumed the loss. Now, is it a nice
47:05
Speaker 4: thing to do just put them in a bucket and say, hey,
47:08
Speaker 4: I found a bunch of arrows for you guys. Sure,
47:11
Speaker 4: But like I wouldn't feel bad if he I wouldn't
47:13
Speaker 4: be like, oh, dude, you're an asshole for taking those
47:15
Speaker 4: four arrows.
47:16
Speaker 5: It's better than being in the ground.
47:18
Speaker 7: My red line would be if you're checking every week
47:22
Speaker 7: and throwing them up on Craigslist their Facebook marketplace. Yeah,
47:26
Speaker 7: my red line would be, like if this becomes a
47:28
Speaker 7: systematic way of acquiring arrows that you can then resell.
47:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, this guy said he only has four or five
47:34
Speaker 4: of his own arrows, so four more would really help
47:37
Speaker 4: him out.
47:38
Speaker 2: It double is quiver.
47:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tough one. He says. He's going to
47:44
Speaker 1: bring him back. He says, when I lose an arrow,
47:47
Speaker 1: I just figure it's gone, Because on the other hand,
47:50
Speaker 1: if I went down to shoot and there's my arrow
47:52
Speaker 1: sitting there next to the deal.
47:57
Speaker 6: A lot about kind of the throwaway culture that we're
48:00
Speaker 6: comfortable with too.
48:03
Speaker 9: Yeah, but you never know, there could be a guy
48:06
Speaker 9: that zipped an arrow down there and then he looked
48:09
Speaker 9: for it for five minutes, had to go to something
48:11
Speaker 9: and thought, I'm gonna come back later.
48:13
Speaker 7: And you don't want to deprive that guy of the
48:15
Speaker 7: satisfaction of finding his arrow.
48:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, more in the news. This is what we
48:23
Speaker 1: talked about. We've talked about this a bunch of times
48:25
Speaker 1: over the years, but we've talked a lot about i mean,
48:28
Speaker 1: just throughout the history, the long, long history of this podcast,
48:32
Speaker 1: we have a number of times brought up issues about
48:37
Speaker 1: like cue the controversy, drum roll, issues about the border wall. Okay,
48:42
Speaker 1: here's the border wall between us in Mexico. Here's what
48:46
Speaker 1: it always gets to be. This is why this is
48:48
Speaker 1: always a touchy subject on the show. Sort of our
48:52
Speaker 1: pro like our sort of promise to listeners on the
48:55
Speaker 1: show as we try to just stick to issues that
48:58
Speaker 1: matter to hunters, anglers, outdoor enthusiasts, right, wildlife enthusiasts. We
49:04
Speaker 1: try to talk about issues that pertain to those areas
49:08
Speaker 1: and leave out the other parts of the world. Like
49:11
Speaker 1: you might notice here on the news show. How could
49:13
Speaker 1: we call this the news show when the biggest thing
49:16
Speaker 1: in the news is the war in Iran? Why are
49:19
Speaker 1: they not if they're covering the news that should be
49:21
Speaker 1: covering that, well, because that's not our area. That's not
49:23
Speaker 1: our area, it's not our area of expertise. Where it
49:26
Speaker 1: just becomes problematic is because some issues, like well to
49:32
Speaker 1: use the wall in it, No, some issues sit on
49:35
Speaker 1: the a knife edge.
49:37
Speaker 6: Well, the Iran thing did overlap a little bit with tungsten,
49:40
Speaker 6: for example, and.
49:41
Speaker 1: The like tungsten and tungsten is used in munitions, it's
49:46
Speaker 1: used in killing turkeys. So there's like they collide, no
49:51
Speaker 1: area do they collide?
49:52
Speaker 4: More?
49:52
Speaker 1: Though, in discussions about the border wine, when we talked
49:55
Speaker 1: about the idea of an impenetrable physical barrier between the
50:00
Speaker 1: US and Mexico, we have often brought up what does
50:04
Speaker 1: this mean for wildlife movements? What does it mean for
50:07
Speaker 1: wildlife movements? And then people will write in I'll be
50:10
Speaker 1: real mad, and I'll be like, I'm never listening again.
50:12
Speaker 1: You've never lost your job to an illegal immigrant, right,
50:15
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I wasn't talking about that. I was
50:19
Speaker 1: sticking to the part of this that is relevant to
50:23
Speaker 1: what we talk about when we do the show. If
50:27
Speaker 1: you were over for dinner, I would love to talk
50:29
Speaker 1: to you about the illegal immigration crisis of a few
50:33
Speaker 1: years back. I would love to talk to you about
50:35
Speaker 1: that at my house. That's not what I'm going to
50:37
Speaker 1: talk about here. We talk about the wall in terms
50:40
Speaker 1: of wildlife movements and whether you think that we should
50:43
Speaker 1: build a mile high, one hundred yard thick wall from
50:50
Speaker 1: coast to from the golf to the Pacific or whatever.
50:56
Speaker 1: That's great. If that's what you believe. You have to
51:00
Speaker 1: hold in your head that that would have implications for wildlife.
51:05
Speaker 1: Meaning this is the way I've usually explained this before.
51:08
Speaker 1: Let's say you're sitting around and you're debating whether or
51:13
Speaker 1: not it's a good idea that the family go on
51:15
Speaker 1: a family vacation this year, right, and you're factoring all
51:19
Speaker 1: the things in time off work, maybe some family obligations.
51:25
Speaker 1: You should be taken care of what it's going to cost. Right,
51:29
Speaker 1: You factor all these things in and maybe you decide,
51:31
Speaker 1: you know what, all things considered, we're still going to
51:34
Speaker 1: go on vacation. So you could think about all this
51:37
Speaker 1: wildlife issues and be like, I've considered all these wildlife issues.
51:42
Speaker 1: The jaguars won't ever repopulate, you know, the US. They're
51:47
Speaker 1: not going to be able to come back into Arizona. Ever,
51:50
Speaker 1: there's some free ranging buffalo herds of Mexico that would
51:54
Speaker 1: never cross and Meldier whatever. You could be like, I
51:56
Speaker 1: understand all that, I'm wide eyed. I still want the
51:58
Speaker 1: biggest wall in the world. I'd be like, cool, glad
52:01
Speaker 1: you thought about everything that came to your conclusion. So
52:04
Speaker 1: and talking about this. That's that's how we've discussed the wall.
52:07
Speaker 1: Well right now. It's kind of a weird twist because
52:09
Speaker 1: they keep the Fed. The Feds have this map they
52:14
Speaker 1: keep putting up showing like what kinds of barriers they're
52:18
Speaker 1: going to use along the border. And you can have
52:20
Speaker 1: electronic barriers, which is basically surveillance equipment. You could have
52:23
Speaker 1: a personnel barrier, which is just a heightened presence of
52:27
Speaker 1: custom and Border patrol individuals on the landscape, and you
52:30
Speaker 1: have a physical wall barrier. Big old shit storm down
52:36
Speaker 1: in the Big Bend area because of whether or not
52:40
Speaker 1: they're gonna want to run the border wall along the
52:45
Speaker 1: border of Big Bend National Park. And this is one
52:47
Speaker 1: of those weird ones where you get like a real
52:49
Speaker 1: nimby component and it has hit. It has come up
52:54
Speaker 1: against some staunch opposition from This is one of those
52:59
Speaker 1: stories where the opposit position comes from an unlikely place
53:02
Speaker 1: where ranchers in the area, hunting guides in the area,
53:06
Speaker 1: river rat like river users in the area are like,
53:10
Speaker 1: there ain't no need for a wall here, there's no
53:11
Speaker 1: one down here anyways.
53:13
Speaker 6: It's kind of like not so much that it's coming
53:16
Speaker 6: from an unlikely place as much as it is like
53:19
Speaker 6: unlikely people partnering up too. Yeah, like the thing we
53:23
Speaker 6: saw with pebble mine, right, yep.
53:26
Speaker 1: So because here, for instance, like picture, you got like
53:29
Speaker 1: big horns, black bears, deer relying on movements and river access. Right,
53:35
Speaker 1: So this is there's just been a lot of a
53:39
Speaker 1: lot of debate, some protesting, various things going on about
53:44
Speaker 1: are they going to do this down in this little
53:48
Speaker 1: this extremely remote area. And there's some statistics coming out
53:53
Speaker 1: of this. So this is like a guy that a
53:57
Speaker 1: listener wrote into us about this as well. The Big
54:00
Speaker 1: Bend sector, Okay, in twenty twenty three, the Big Bend
54:08
Speaker 1: sector was running fifteen hundred immigration encounters per month. Okay,
54:14
Speaker 1: the l pass so one thousand, five hundred encounters per
54:17
Speaker 1: month in the Big Bend area. So what do you
54:20
Speaker 1: compare that to let's say l Passo. L Passo was
54:24
Speaker 1: running fifty thousand immigration encounters per month in the l
54:28
Speaker 1: Passo sector, and then you know, I mean that that
54:33
Speaker 1: stuff is just dropped when the Trump administration came in, Like,
54:36
Speaker 1: that stuff is just dropped off incredibly quickly. So right now,
54:41
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, they reduced a number of apprehensions by
54:45
Speaker 1: seventy four percent, so they were at fifteen hundred immigration
54:50
Speaker 1: encounters per month and twenty three it's down seventy four
54:53
Speaker 1: percent today, And so people are saying, it's just there's
54:58
Speaker 1: no need to like in a case like this in
55:01
Speaker 1: the big band area, when you weigh the wildlife risk
55:07
Speaker 1: against the illegal immigration risk, it doesn't weigh out. And
55:12
Speaker 1: I think that's that's that's what some listeners are arguing.
55:15
Speaker 7: Ahead.
55:15
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was just there are also other techniques
55:18
Speaker 3: like Sky's surveillance drones, et cetera that are deployed that
55:23
Speaker 3: have seemed to be pretty effective.
55:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, the electronic wall, right, you know, replacing with the
55:31
Speaker 1: electronic wall surveillance issues. He has an interesting quote in
55:36
Speaker 1: one of the guys that wrote and has an interesting
55:38
Speaker 1: observation A little bits incendiario. So I'm not going to
55:42
Speaker 1: get into it. But he's talking about separating man from nature,
55:46
Speaker 1: and he says the Tower of Babbel. I'm not gonna
55:50
Speaker 1: read this quote. He takes, he takes, he swings for
55:56
Speaker 1: the stone. What's that expression, shoots for the starf the fences,
56:01
Speaker 1: swings for the fences in that one. But an interesting deal.
56:04
Speaker 1: And so people in this area, I think it's not
56:06
Speaker 1: going to happen. That's my if I crystal ball it,
56:08
Speaker 1: I think they're not going to do the wall there.
56:10
Speaker 1: But apparently you can go to this this site and
56:12
Speaker 1: like refresh on it and see this like ever changing
56:15
Speaker 1: plans about what kind of where the wall is going
56:18
Speaker 1: to be constructed.
56:19
Speaker 7: And here's here's one statistic that the five hundred and
56:24
Speaker 7: ten miles in this region, the Border Patrol has recorded
56:29
Speaker 7: an average of six crossings a day in this region.
56:34
Speaker 7: So like it's it's the least active. The Republican Sheriff
56:38
Speaker 7: of Tarrell County says, this is the least active sector
56:41
Speaker 7: of the whole border. And you're talking about building a
56:44
Speaker 7: wall through a national park.
56:45
Speaker 1: What does that shareff think about it?
56:48
Speaker 7: He is apparently not. I mean, he's he seems to
56:52
Speaker 7: concede that it's not necessary. I don't want to speak
56:54
Speaker 7: beyond what's he's quoted is here, but he's a border
56:57
Speaker 7: patrol veteran and Republican sheriff, and he says it's the
57:00
Speaker 7: least active sector along the whole border.
57:03
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. So ither to dig in more on this
57:08
Speaker 1: with like an interview subject at some point just the wall.
57:14
Speaker 3: The wall at this point, or.
57:18
Speaker 2: From a wildlife perspective, from.
57:20
Speaker 3: Life spopulation separated.
57:22
Speaker 1: We had a story like that we didn't report on.
57:24
Speaker 1: You're right, we had a story we didn't report on
57:26
Speaker 1: about implications for desert big.
57:28
Speaker 3: Horns in California.
57:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if there is a way to weigh I
57:32
Speaker 1: feel like, if there is a way to weigh electronic
57:35
Speaker 1: surveillance and other methods, like other methods that are maybe faster,
57:41
Speaker 1: less disruptive, more effective, sometimes probably less expensive whatever, to
57:46
Speaker 1: do things electronically and achieve the same goal, it might
57:50
Speaker 1: wind up being that the decision just gets made that way.
57:52
Speaker 1: I mean, just look at like, I mean, you know,
57:55
Speaker 1: I don't need to point it out. The advancements in
57:58
Speaker 1: surveillance through drones and then and then AI were to
58:02
Speaker 1: weed out like to weed out false hits where it's like,
58:07
Speaker 1: you know, that's a deer, that's the whatever, that's whatever,
58:10
Speaker 1: that's a human, you know, could wind up being that.
58:14
Speaker 1: It just becomes it comes to like a that the
58:17
Speaker 1: the idea of a wall in some of these areas
58:18
Speaker 1: becomes it's just an obsolete notion because there's better ways
58:22
Speaker 1: of accomplishing the same thing. Me and Yanni there down hunting,
58:27
Speaker 1: we're often looking at those big blimps. Remember guys saying
58:30
Speaker 1: that blimp, that blimp counting the hair on your head?
58:33
Speaker 1: Right now? All right, Randall? Uh, set up your interview.
58:41
Speaker 7: Yeah, so we've got another interview from the Meat Eater
58:44
Speaker 7: Sports Desk. We talked to Brian Harmon, former podcast guest,
58:48
Speaker 7: former trivia contestant Butcher Brian and Butcher Harmon and he
58:52
Speaker 7: is had to do Augusta, Georgia this week to play
58:56
Speaker 7: in the Masters. And so uh that's Thursday April ninth
59:01
Speaker 7: to Sunday April twelfth, and so Phil, whyn't you play
59:04
Speaker 7: the interview? Welcome back to the Meet Eatter News Sports Desk.
59:09
Speaker 7: I'm your host, Randall Williams, joined today by Brian Harmon,
59:13
Speaker 7: four time PGA tour winner and the twenty twenty three
59:16
Speaker 7: winner of the Open Championship, and a contestant in Mediator
59:20
Speaker 7: Trivia episode four ninety five. Brian, it's great to have you.
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Speaker 8: Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 7: The Masters tease off on April ninth at Augusta National.
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Speaker 7: As we all know, it's a tradition unlike any other.
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Speaker 7: How's your freezer looking right now?
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Speaker 8: Ah, it's it's it's a little bear.
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Speaker 10: We we had a pretty lame deer season, but we
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Speaker 10: killed us killed a few turkeys last last couple of weeks.
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Speaker 8: So we're working our way back up. About to be fishing.
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Speaker 7: So I was gonna say supplementing that at all with
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Speaker 7: some fish. I know you're big spear fisherman.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, we got we gotta catch some this summer. We
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Speaker 10: gotta catch some flounder. We got a really good triple
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Speaker 10: tail run around Saint Simon's.
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Speaker 8: Hopefully it'll get some.
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Speaker 7: Very nice Now, picture this scenario, Sunday afternoon at Augusta.
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Speaker 7: Everything's going your way. You're on the back nine and
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Speaker 7: in contention for the win. Your family's cheering you on.
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Speaker 7: Now picture this entirely unrelated scenario. It's the third week
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Speaker 7: of October tomorrow morning. You've got a pretty much guaranteed
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Speaker 7: limit of wood ducks lined up, But there's also a
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Speaker 7: pretty decent buck showing up on your trail camera. He
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Speaker 7: wouldn't be your personal best, but maybe he's just smaller
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Speaker 7: than your third best buck. Are you more excited to
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Speaker 7: go to the tree stand or the duck blind that morning?
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Speaker 8: Tree stand?
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Speaker 7: Tree stand? Huh? The deer's calling your name? Are you
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Speaker 7: still shooting fixed blades?
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Speaker 8: Uh?
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Speaker 10: Yes, I am. I did kill a buck with an
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Speaker 10: expandable last.
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Speaker 7: Year, gotcha? And that was that a conversion process? You sold?
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Speaker 3: Now?
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Speaker 7: Or are you still I killed?
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Speaker 8: I killed two bucks.
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Speaker 10: I killed two bucks with my bowl last year, and
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Speaker 10: I shot one with a fixed blade, and the exit
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Speaker 10: win was so tiny. I think I've just gotten to
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Speaker 10: where that I've worked on so much penetration with the
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Speaker 10: with the with my ear that it's almost like it
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Speaker 10: zips through our little white tails. I've kind of had
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Speaker 10: set up for ELK and I'm expandable on our on
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Speaker 10: our bucks.
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Speaker 8: At Homie are Yeah? The bucks we killed are probably
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Speaker 8: only one hundred and seventy eight pounds.
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Speaker 2: Maybe.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, It's easy.
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Speaker 7: To chase your tail on on bullets and arrows. You
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Speaker 7: know you can.
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Speaker 8: You can. You can chase that dragon for a long time.
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Speaker 7: Now, Brian, your PGA tour website bio lists you as
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Speaker 7: a left handed golfer who does everything else right handed.
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Speaker 7: I've got two questions. Are you left or right eye dominant?
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Speaker 7: And do you shoot a gun like a normal person
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Speaker 7: or do you shoot.
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Speaker 1: It left handed?
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Speaker 10: I shoot a gun like a normal person. I'm left
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Speaker 10: eye dominant. So if I'm if I'm killing ducks, I've
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Speaker 10: got I've got both eyes open. But if I'm if
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Speaker 10: I'm shooting for numbers, trying to hit a bunch of
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Speaker 10: skied or something, I'll close my left eye.
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Speaker 7: Interesting. Interesting. Now you're headed into Augusta as a former
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Speaker 7: major champion. You know that course, you've contended there. But
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Speaker 7: as best I can tell from a quick Google search
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Speaker 7: of the Georgia hunting riggs, the Masters in April falls
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Speaker 7: smack dab in the middle of turkey season, sore. Do
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Speaker 7: you find it's more helpful to kill a turkey before Augusta?
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Speaker 7: So you're coming into the tournament clear headed and focused,
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Speaker 7: or just postponing your gobbler hunt until after the drama
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Speaker 7: of Sunday afternoon? Help keep that fire in your belly.
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Speaker 10: You know, if I can kill some turkeys before, it
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Speaker 10: tends to work out a whole lot better. My mind
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Speaker 10: doesn't wonder nearly as much. But I'm very peculiar about
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Speaker 10: my calendar this time of year. I might steal a
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Speaker 10: day Monday after augusta mm hmm.
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Speaker 8: And then Georgia does great. We have a U season.
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Speaker 10: We had two weekends ago, so I take my boy
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Speaker 10: and then our opener was last weekend.
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Speaker 8: We had a big time. So I've done some targientwhich
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Speaker 8: been really.
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Speaker 7: Nice on the show. Recently, Spencer acknowledged that when he
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Speaker 7: went to the Masters, he gobbled at you. And I
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Speaker 7: believe that you conveyed to Steve or Krinn that you
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Speaker 7: heard it and you look and you knew.
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Speaker 1: It was him.
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Speaker 7: It was not a turkey.
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Speaker 2: It was not convincing.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, well I could tell it was a man yelping
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Speaker 10: at me for sure. But yeah, you guys were kind
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Speaker 10: of You guys are kind of spot on about the
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Speaker 10: wildlife out of us, that it is human farma.
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Speaker 7: You're not even looking for anything interesting. You're just I
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Speaker 7: guess it's understandable. You just focused on playing golf.
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Speaker 1: Sure, it's A.
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Speaker 8: It's a it's a beautiful place.
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Speaker 10: And if I wasn't sure that if I you know,
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Speaker 10: if you pull your phone out there, I'm not sure
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Speaker 10: that they wouldn't just send an air strike right where
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Speaker 10: you were standing. But that Merlin at Yeah, I think
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Speaker 10: Karen was talking about. I use it all the time
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Speaker 10: at home. It's awesome. But I would love to just
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Speaker 10: click that onto my bag. And yeah, that's I could
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Speaker 10: find some.
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Speaker 7: That's probably the one cell phone applic cation that the
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Speaker 7: Master's rules did not have in mind when they banned
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Speaker 7: all cell phones from the course.
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Speaker 10: I think I think they're smart enough to only pipe
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Speaker 10: in native birds.
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Speaker 1: Gotcha? Gotcha?
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Speaker 7: Well, Brian, should you walk away with the green jacket.
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Speaker 7: At the end of the weekend, you will be hosting
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Speaker 7: next year's Champions Dinner, and I would like to ask
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Speaker 7: you to make a hard commitment right now to the
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Speaker 7: non live audience of this pre recorded segment. Will you
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Speaker 7: serve me you have personally killed and butchered at next
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Speaker 7: year's Champions Dinner if you win in AUGUSTA? Yeah, absolutely,
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Speaker 7: what would you What would you serve? Have you given
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Speaker 7: any thought to that? Just in uh day dreaming?
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Speaker 10: I tell you what what would be incredible. I think
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Speaker 10: my favorite meal is the way that I like cooking
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Speaker 10: elk tenderloin, which is nothing fancy. But if I were
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Speaker 10: to gill, if I were to win the Masters and
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Speaker 10: killing killing elk, this fall man to serve tenderloin, now,
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Speaker 10: I might have to have to get some bodies to donate.
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Speaker 8: Some feed everybody.
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Speaker 10: Two tenderloons won't feed twenty something dude, but I might
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Speaker 10: make for a cool appetizer.
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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, well, Brian, thanks so much for your time.
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Speaker 7: Check Brian out playing in the Masters Thursday, April ninth
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Speaker 7: to Sunday, April twelfth. Uh, friend of the program, We
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Speaker 7: appreciate you joining us, and good luck out there anytime.
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Speaker 8: Man, Love y'all.
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Speaker 7: Yep, take care, another hell of a segment, Phil, You
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Speaker 7: don't have to tell me, right.
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Speaker 3: Of luck.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's the hardest, hardest hunting man in Georgia.
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Speaker 7: I almost said, pullet, pullet. We don't want any more corrections.
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Speaker 1: But hardest hunting man in the American South, Right there,
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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen.
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Speaker 7: Brian's Brian's a good sport and uh he's he's a
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Speaker 7: fan of the show, so it's good to chat with him.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember we were golf with him that one
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Speaker 1: time and we were shooting at deer targets with golf
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Speaker 1: balls and he hit the deer.
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Speaker 3: He hit it.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it.
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Speaker 7: I wasn't there for that.
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Speaker 1: No. I think he missed his first shot barely. And
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Speaker 1: then we had some three D targets out and hit
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Speaker 1: the deer with the golf That dude is good with
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Speaker 1: a golf club. He's gonna win that whole thing. I
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Speaker 1: don't know anybody else down there, Norman, I don't know
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Speaker 1: who he's playing.
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Speaker 2: No, not great anymore.
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Speaker 7: Though, scratched off the list.
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Speaker 1: He's gonna beat all them guys, I can tell you
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Speaker 1: that much.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, like you were saying earlier, it's a it's a
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Speaker 4: it's a feat just to be in that uh.
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Speaker 1: Be in the tournament?
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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, it's wild.
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Speaker 5: Is that why Spencer's not here? Is he going to
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Speaker 5: the Masters?
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Speaker 1: He would probably he's been. Oh he said that he was.
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Speaker 1: He said he was watching Brian Harmon play one time
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Speaker 1: and he helped at him and he said that Brian
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Speaker 1: Harmon looked and Brian Harmon said, he do he does
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Speaker 1: remember that?
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Speaker 7: Well, well, you know that because he got that in
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Speaker 7: the interview. Remember when we just watched Superor Court.
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Speaker 1: Second, to be clear, I asked about the interview went,
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Speaker 1: well take that out Philis. It makes me look bad.
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Speaker 1: Just look on that vet in the material.
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Speaker 4: Back to Catalina Island. I'm really not that interested in
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Speaker 4: this story anymore. But here's where No, it's I'm saying
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Speaker 4: that just to say that it was more it was
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Speaker 4: hyped up.
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Speaker 5: No, that gets the audience, like he's.
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Speaker 4: Like, why it was so hyped up by a lot
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Speaker 4: of hunters about saving these deer. Like now I'm kind
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Speaker 4: of like, I don't know, small population of these deer,
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Speaker 4: like is it on the grand scheme of things? And
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Speaker 4: the other thing I keep coming back to is that
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Speaker 4: if these deer are gone, no one's really losing like
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Speaker 4: this great hunting opportunity. Because the hunting opportunity sucked beforehand. No,
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Speaker 4: everybody just complained about it how poor it was.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 4: They made it very difficult for hunters to go there
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Speaker 4: and have a good hunt.
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Speaker 6: It's not a big buck factory where you're like, oh,
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Speaker 6: I wish I could get on that island.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like for the few locals that were, you know,
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Speaker 4: being able to get some deer meat out of it.
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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe those maybe white buffalo will hook them up.
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Speaker 1: I think what the issue was is like for people
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Speaker 1: just tuning in now can do it recap? There's there's yeah,
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Speaker 1: like there's an island.
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Speaker 4: There's an island, like eight deer or ten deer were
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Speaker 4: brought there one hundred years ago roughly and uh four
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Speaker 4: hunting purposes turn into a population of about two thousand.
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Speaker 4: The island itself, though, has never had any like large
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Speaker 4: on gilates An. The herb of war have lived on it.
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Speaker 4: So all the California plant life that lives there can't
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Speaker 4: withstand the pressure supposedly from these deer and the buffalo
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Speaker 4: that live on this island.
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Speaker 1: And we'll use the goats that used to live on
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Speaker 1: the island.
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Speaker 2: That's right. And so.
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Speaker 4: After a few years or I don't know many many,
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Speaker 4: a few decades of having a hunting program that didn't
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Speaker 4: reduce the population enough, the conservancy of this island, that
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Speaker 4: owns like eighty percent of the land on the island,
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Speaker 4: has decided to just get rid of the deer.
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Speaker 1: Them gum people, that's right. Well, at some point in
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Speaker 1: time they were with the chewing gum family.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they had to go through a process with
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Speaker 4: the state because again these are because there is they
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Speaker 4: are deer. Even though they live on private land, they
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Speaker 4: are property of the people in the state. So they
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Speaker 4: had to go through a permitting process, you know, with
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Speaker 4: with California Game of Fish to figure this out. But
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Speaker 4: they've done it and they're moving forward and they hired
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Speaker 4: no No.
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Speaker 1: Now with the setup, I need to give my why
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Speaker 1: you're like, so you're saying you were interested in it,
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Speaker 1: but the more you thought about it, it's not that
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Speaker 1: may dear, it's not a historic population, it's not native range,
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Speaker 1: it's not a great hunting opportunity. So it to you
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Speaker 1: it feels like the hype has become bigger than the issue. Yeah, Okay,
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Speaker 1: what I feel when I look at this is I
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Speaker 1: see what some people do is lost opportunity and a
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Speaker 1: certain irony of the conservancy that holds the land, saying
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Speaker 1: we've tried to control them through hunting but it doesn't work,
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Speaker 1: so we need to bring in outside sharpshooters to kill
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Speaker 1: them all. And then people just rightfully so saying you
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Speaker 1: didn't try that. You say you tried it, but you
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Speaker 1: never allowed hunters to try to participate you never gave
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Speaker 1: hunters a chance to lower the numbers. You blocked them
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Speaker 1: every which way, made it next to impossible, claimed it
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Speaker 1: didn't work, and now you're bringing an outsiders to shoot
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Speaker 1: them on leaving the rock. I think that is that's
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Speaker 1: the rub.
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Speaker 4: Maybe, Oh yeah, and I still think that there's a
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Speaker 4: bunch there's a bunch of underhanded deceitful, you know, like
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Speaker 4: lying going on from this conservancy, like they are not
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Speaker 4: playing Uh what's the saying? Clean fair fair pool, clean pool?
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Speaker 1: Swimming in a dirty pools?
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Speaker 2: Okay, enter.
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Speaker 1: There's a news story.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they've they hired a company called White Buffalo and
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Speaker 4: h White Buffalo had their website pulled up here.
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Speaker 2: A lot of websites.
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Speaker 1: Nonprofit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've turned into it found out they're a nonprofit.
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Speaker 1: Strange name for a while, eradication outfit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I don't understand where that where that came from. But yeah,
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Speaker 4: they do work all over the place basically controlling animals
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Speaker 4: to help bring back native landscapes. And that's kind of
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Speaker 4: that's like their basic deal. When looking at like what
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Speaker 4: they offer for white tailed deer herd management, it's like, uh, artificial.
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Speaker 1: Or not.
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Speaker 4: No, I'm trying to say not ai, but what's what's
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Speaker 4: the opposite, like basically contraception. Yeah, they put them on
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Speaker 4: birth control. Uh, they sharpshoot them or they have managed hunts,
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Speaker 4: which I would I would assume that means that they
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Speaker 4: sort of like bring in, you know, public hunters, but
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Speaker 4: help them, you know, do these hunts and do them
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Speaker 4: at a you know, a higher rate to bring populations down.
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Speaker 2: So it looks like they do great work.
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Speaker 4: Their website was really clean and nice, and it seems like,
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Speaker 4: you know, they're probably a great hire for this, for
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Speaker 4: this job they all to do.
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Speaker 3: I just entered Jack with the significance of the white Buffalo.
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Speaker 3: We probably talked about that before on the podcast, right
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Speaker 3: we heard it from Taylor Keene. Yeah, it's like it's
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Speaker 3: like the Lakota.
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Speaker 1: The spiritually rich animal and planet.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: There's also Uncle Ted's Great White Buffalo, which I would
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Speaker 1: like an apocalypse now when he plays that song, you know,
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Speaker 1: in his attack helicopters. When these guys are out in
1:13:23
Speaker 1: their choppers, maybe they play Uncle Ted's Great White buff
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Speaker 1: also to get pumped it.
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Speaker 6: There's also a Charles Bronson movie where a white buffalo
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Speaker 6: is kind of almost like a Western horror movie where
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Speaker 6: Charles Bronson is duking it out with a white buffalo
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Speaker 6: that's trying to kill him.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they're in strange. They're gonna pull out the old
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Speaker 1: They're gonna pull out the old Uh Judas deer trick.
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Speaker 1: It's in. It's one of the tricks in their playbook.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, after they're done doing all the baiting and shooting,
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Speaker 4: then they then they throw out a deer to with
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Speaker 4: a GPS collar on it.
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Speaker 1: Dude, you take a deer and put a collar on
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Speaker 1: him and let him go, and you'd be like, Okay,
1:14:07
Speaker 1: go find your buddies, and then you watch his track
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Speaker 1: and collar and you come and again. Hm, it's you
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Speaker 1: know what it's like, man, It's like when the dread Dawn. Dude,
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Speaker 1: when they make that that kid, you know, the kind
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Speaker 1: of the kids that don't fit in good. He goes
1:14:21
Speaker 1: into town and they make him eat that transmitter and
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Speaker 1: then the ruskies come for him. He's like a Judas dude.
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Speaker 3: This is this whole plan looks so aggressive, very very aggressive.
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Speaker 5: We'll get to the condor part.
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Speaker 1: Well, no, let's get Yeah, it's like, I don't four
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Speaker 1: hundred bucks a deer.
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Speaker 3: That's why with it being a nonprofit organization is very odd.
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Speaker 3: Is that money being fund raised from?
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Speaker 1: Like it's yeah, they figure that they I think they
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Speaker 1: figured that they're doing like an environmental service and on
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Speaker 1: the island and all and all. I mean, in all fairness,
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Speaker 1: they've had a bunch plant species become extirpated from the island.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and who am I I mean, I don't I'm
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Speaker 4: not in this business.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: We could have like Parker Hall or somebody say, tell
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Speaker 4: us if four hundred dollars per year.
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Speaker 2: It is expensive? Huh, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: That's I mean, I imagine it's probably like this. You
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Speaker 1: got to get them all. And people that have been
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Speaker 1: in that work, we've we've.
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Speaker 2: Been before, they're like nine percent.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the first ninety five percent, no problem. It's it's
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Speaker 1: like the last ones is the problem.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's when a dude lives on the island for
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Speaker 4: six more months and only hunts at night with you know,
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Speaker 4: thermals and tries to track down the last deer or whatever.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, he's talked about areas when they've done wild
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Speaker 1: hog work. He's like, yeah, getting a whole bunch of them, No, biggie,
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Speaker 1: it's like when there's two hogs left. Yeah, finals, but like.
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Speaker 4: Like you say that it's aggressive krim, but like why
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Speaker 4: is it aggressive? Like they've been hired to do a job.
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Speaker 4: They're gonna go in and put the hammer down and
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Speaker 4: get the job done.
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Speaker 3: Like, I guess that's needed. It would have been nice
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Speaker 3: if they would have given more hunters a chance.
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Speaker 4: To Yeah, again, I don't want to, Like that's why
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Speaker 4: I'm bored of the stories, because we can go back
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Speaker 4: to that and talk about the indecencies of this conservancy,
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Speaker 4: which like we really don't know that much about. I'd
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Speaker 4: love to, like if they wanted to come on and
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Speaker 4: like explain themselves, it'd be interesting. Yeah, but like you
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Speaker 4: know what I mean. But you're saying that is the rub?
1:16:30
Speaker 4: Is that like the way they've handled it all.
1:16:32
Speaker 6: But every time there's any kind of these like sharpshooter
1:16:35
Speaker 6: culling operations, hunters.
1:16:37
Speaker 5: Get all bent out of shape about it. They're like,
1:16:39
Speaker 5: why aren't they giving us the chance?
1:16:40
Speaker 1: Because that's what I always wonder. Yeah, I know I'll
1:16:43
Speaker 1: say that because I'll always wonder.
1:16:45
Speaker 5: Yeah, but like this is just another example of that.
1:16:49
Speaker 7: To me.
1:16:50
Speaker 1: Listen, man, my panties are in a bunch anytime, like
1:16:53
Speaker 1: like even with the resident even with the suburban sharpshooting.
1:16:56
Speaker 1: When you have a bunch of people live in a
1:16:58
Speaker 1: community and they all determine that like the hunting's bad,
1:17:03
Speaker 1: they don't want anyone hunting, and they bring in a
1:17:05
Speaker 1: sharp shooting outfit to start shooting them at night. It
1:17:08
Speaker 1: just it always will rub me the wrong way.
1:17:09
Speaker 2: I get it.
1:17:10
Speaker 6: But how many hunters are going to actually jump in
1:17:12
Speaker 6: there and take care of it.
1:17:15
Speaker 7: We'll never know, Rob Sam, I guess we'll never know.
1:17:18
Speaker 1: The dude running for the dude running for governor of
1:17:21
Speaker 1: Iowa hunts them deer. I'd love to dude, he hunts
1:17:25
Speaker 1: deer on spots or if the deer takes three steps,
1:17:27
Speaker 1: it's on the neighbor's place. He's got, he's got, He's
1:17:29
Speaker 1: got this whole program, dial down, man shoots Biggins.
1:17:33
Speaker 4: Brody mentioned the uh, the California Condor Project, which this
1:17:38
Speaker 4: is a way that this the the Catalina Island Conservancy
1:17:42
Speaker 4: is saying like, hey, it's gonna be okay.
1:17:44
Speaker 2: We're not going to just leave him to rot.
1:17:46
Speaker 4: We're going to relocate the deer carcasses over to the
1:17:51
Speaker 4: mainland and feed condors. When I read that, I go, oh,
1:17:55
Speaker 4: I wonder if they're gonna use you know, copper or
1:17:57
Speaker 4: non non lead ammunition and bro He's like, well, we
1:18:02
Speaker 4: already had a guy right in and said that that's
1:18:04
Speaker 4: a bunch of bs.
1:18:05
Speaker 2: But they're not like that's a big cost to freeze.
1:18:08
Speaker 4: Probably would have to freeze these carcasses and bring them,
1:18:11
Speaker 4: you know, via It.
1:18:12
Speaker 1: Wasn't clear on I thought they meant to the Mandors
1:18:14
Speaker 1: fly out to Catalina. Maybe because yeah, yeah, they're saying no,
1:18:18
Speaker 1: they're saying, oh, we're gonna freeze them and bring him
1:18:20
Speaker 1: over to the mainland, right. I don't know who makes
1:18:23
Speaker 1: they make juicy fruit gum they used. I used to
1:18:25
Speaker 1: chew that. I think that's product they do. They lost flavor,
1:18:30
Speaker 1: real it did, man, and I used to shoot that.
1:18:32
Speaker 1: I think they're big red products. Man, that tongue taste, buds,
1:18:37
Speaker 1: get on flames and everything. Man, now they're shooting all
1:18:40
Speaker 1: these deep No, I don't know if they're still tied up.
1:18:46
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the big red juicy fruit has
1:18:52
Speaker 1: anything to do with this. Man. Clearly they're like, we're
1:18:56
Speaker 1: gonna poison gum and leave it lee at all out
1:18:59
Speaker 1: for the here.
1:19:01
Speaker 4: Well, it still seems like a flawed deal because that
1:19:05
Speaker 4: town of Avalon has made it so that you can't
1:19:08
Speaker 4: hunt or discharge a weapon within their perimeter. And they say, like,
1:19:12
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of deer hang out within those the
1:19:15
Speaker 4: town's boundaries. So I don't think they're gonna this program
1:19:17
Speaker 4: is not gonna get rid of one hundred percent of
1:19:19
Speaker 4: the deer on the island.
1:19:20
Speaker 1: Want to talk about a bunch of deer hanging out
1:19:21
Speaker 1: over there?
1:19:22
Speaker 2: Just yea Judas deer's gonna straight for that deer.
1:19:27
Speaker 1: That dude's gonna be standing outside the local ice cream parlor.
1:19:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
1:19:35
Speaker 4: And I think for the people to say, well, I
1:19:37
Speaker 4: really just don't want to see those animals go to waste.
1:19:41
Speaker 1: I don't buy that. Yeah, you know, I buy it,
1:19:44
Speaker 1: But I don't think that's the the main motivating factor.
1:19:47
Speaker 4: Right, And we all know now, we're educated enough to
1:19:50
Speaker 4: know that if you just like shoot a deer and
1:19:53
Speaker 4: let let it lay in the grand scheme of things,
1:19:56
Speaker 4: does it go to waste because you or I don't
1:19:58
Speaker 4: consume it.
1:19:58
Speaker 1: It's like nutrient recycle totally. Like the last time Jannie
1:20:04
Speaker 1: gets to do a Catalina, I don't think.
1:20:07
Speaker 4: No, when they went when when the Catalina Island concerns,
1:20:11
Speaker 4: he comes on here to chat.
1:20:13
Speaker 2: I'll be the first one in ten good questions.
1:20:15
Speaker 1: You should get a Pulitzer Prize for the comfort.
1:20:19
Speaker 2: You really don't.
1:20:20
Speaker 1: You've done a great job of covering the story and
1:20:22
Speaker 1: like analyzing it and stuff. Manh and then like it's weird,
1:20:27
Speaker 1: like turn.
1:20:30
Speaker 6: You know, I mean, he like you imagine if Walter
1:20:32
Speaker 6: Cronkite came on, He's like, Man, I'm not really interested
1:20:35
Speaker 6: in this, but I'm gonna tell you about it.
1:20:36
Speaker 1: I'm not really interested. Kronkite he comes on and he's like,
1:20:40
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not really interested in this, and I've
1:20:43
Speaker 1: changed my mind.
1:20:45
Speaker 7: I didn't know where we're going for Cronkite. Well, it's
1:20:47
Speaker 7: kind of changes my whole approach to this time.
1:20:49
Speaker 5: Bro, I don't know if they picked someone.
1:20:51
Speaker 1: Oh my good, that was great, report, Johnnie. I like
1:20:53
Speaker 1: the emotional parts of you, like getting tired of the
1:20:57
Speaker 1: story and like, oh, what's it mean? Anyway? That was great, man.
1:21:03
Speaker 1: I hope listeners appreciated that. What else you got? Me too?
1:21:07
Speaker 1: What else you got?
1:21:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're trying to legalize baiting deer in Michigan.
1:21:13
Speaker 1: It's a lot more complicated than that.
1:21:17
Speaker 2: Well, is it.
1:21:18
Speaker 4: I think that's a pretty fair assessment of what's going
1:21:21
Speaker 4: on there.
1:21:22
Speaker 1: It's fair assessment, isn't it. You were always able when
1:21:25
Speaker 1: I was a boy that you disbaated, right, Oh yeah,
1:21:30
Speaker 1: we baited and then and then they put restrictions on baiting.
1:21:35
Speaker 4: They're trying to make it uh legal again. And basically, uh,
1:21:41
Speaker 4: there's some people for it. There's a lot of public
1:21:45
Speaker 4: for it. I texted a few folks that live in
1:21:49
Speaker 4: Hunt in Michigan, and these folks are all anti baiting.
1:21:54
Speaker 4: They wish it was completely gone. But according to them,
1:21:57
Speaker 4: they're like whether this ghosts to or not, they don't
1:22:00
Speaker 4: think anything's gonna change because, like we all know, in
1:22:04
Speaker 4: places where you're not allowed to baate, like let's just
1:22:06
Speaker 4: say Michigan or where I'm at in Wisconsin, you can
1:22:10
Speaker 4: go to any uh I think, any gas station, Walmart
1:22:15
Speaker 4: or whatever, and there are giant bags of corn out front.
1:22:18
Speaker 1: Because when they do those quantity Michigan has areas where
1:22:21
Speaker 1: they do a quantity restriction. You're allowed to put out
1:22:24
Speaker 1: a certain amount.
1:22:26
Speaker 2: Okay, And maybe there's a lot of places where.
1:22:30
Speaker 1: You can gambling or not what the hell it is,
1:22:33
Speaker 1: but they limit how much you put down.
1:22:35
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean honest, like it's you know, it's illegal
1:22:38
Speaker 6: where I grew up, but like that's only during the season, so.
1:22:41
Speaker 1: You can you know, well, we're sitting in the state
1:22:43
Speaker 1: right now. You can't bait, never could bait.
1:22:45
Speaker 5: No, but the whole we're not talking about the whole
1:22:48
Speaker 5: state of Michigan.
1:22:49
Speaker 2: Here, lower peninsula, lower peninsula.
1:22:51
Speaker 1: So with CWD you could always bait, and we baited,
1:22:54
Speaker 1: And I actually regret it. You said that I would
1:23:01
Speaker 1: have learned a lot more about deer if we didn't
1:23:04
Speaker 1: bow hunt. I wish we'd I wish at a young
1:23:07
Speaker 1: age I would have learned to really hunt deer and
1:23:13
Speaker 1: hadn't spent that time when I had like years and
1:23:17
Speaker 1: time that I hadn't messed with the bait thing. And
1:23:20
Speaker 1: I wish I would have just like used, I wish
1:23:23
Speaker 1: I knew that when I knew now, If I knew
1:23:25
Speaker 1: then what I knew now, I would have hunted totally differently.
1:23:27
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:23:28
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, the proponents of the bill are saying that we
1:23:32
Speaker 4: will have more hunters, will have more participation, more retention,
1:23:36
Speaker 4: more youth getting into it if we allow it, because
1:23:40
Speaker 4: it just makes it easier.
1:23:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that. So originally around chronic wasting
1:23:46
Speaker 1: disease and bovine tuberculo.
1:23:48
Speaker 2: So disease issues, that's why I was out lawed.
1:23:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, starting since in twenty nineteen, the Department of Natural Resources,
1:23:59
Speaker 1: so the Wildlife Managed Agency, in twenty nineteen, started putting
1:24:02
Speaker 1: baiting restrictions in place in the Lower Peninsula, citing disease concerns.
1:24:07
Speaker 1: You're concentrating, you're making super spreader events like during cold
1:24:10
Speaker 1: when you had a big party and everybody kind of
1:24:11
Speaker 1: got mad at you. You were doing that out in
1:24:14
Speaker 1: the woods, suckering in all kinds of deer to come
1:24:17
Speaker 1: in and rub noses. And so their thought was, hey,
1:24:20
Speaker 1: we're gonna slow down disease spread and get rid of baiting.
1:24:24
Speaker 1: And that's pissed people off, still pisses people off. And
1:24:26
Speaker 1: so now they're kind of going around back on her
1:24:30
Speaker 1: right talking about that.
1:24:33
Speaker 4: Oh the fact that yeah, so this is it's it's
1:24:35
Speaker 4: it's very unpopular with the Department National Resources, and they're
1:24:40
Speaker 4: saying that, yeah, we're not we're basically not doing this
1:24:43
Speaker 4: under sound science, and that we're they're just basically voting,
1:24:48
Speaker 4: you know, just doing political.
1:24:49
Speaker 2: Science, and politicians are making management decisions.
1:24:54
Speaker 1: By putting this back in, what they want to do
1:24:57
Speaker 1: is they want to They're looking to prevent the wildlife
1:25:02
Speaker 1: agency from being able to do a band.
1:25:06
Speaker 4: Right all together and in the future, which I think
1:25:08
Speaker 4: would be a bad thing. I know that we all
1:25:11
Speaker 4: don't agree all the time with what our state wildlife
1:25:14
Speaker 4: agencies do, but I believe that for the most part,
1:25:18
Speaker 4: they're out there trying to do what's best, and we
1:25:21
Speaker 4: forget that they're trying to balance so many different you know,
1:25:28
Speaker 4: entities that have different needs. You know, whether it's the
1:25:31
Speaker 4: ranchers that are having issues with deer or elk, you know,
1:25:34
Speaker 4: the people that want more opportunities, the people that want
1:25:38
Speaker 4: more trophies, you know, people that want.
1:25:41
Speaker 2: You know, whatever.
1:25:42
Speaker 4: You know, they're balancing all all that social stuff. It's
1:25:45
Speaker 4: not just wildlife management. So like you had to step
1:25:49
Speaker 4: back and look at it that it's not just what
1:25:51
Speaker 4: you know, what's going on in your little neighborhood and
1:25:52
Speaker 4: what you want, how you want to be able to
1:25:54
Speaker 4: bait in your backyard.
1:25:56
Speaker 1: You also have in this case, you also have two
1:25:58
Speaker 1: truths of battling each other We covered this a couple
1:26:03
Speaker 1: of years ago where the head of Michigan's wildlife agency
1:26:06
Speaker 1: had this open letter ahead of deer season basically saying
1:26:11
Speaker 1: almost being like, why can't we get hunters to kill dose?
1:26:14
Speaker 1: We need to kill those, We need to kill those.
1:26:17
Speaker 1: We can't get hunters to kill those? Right, almost throwing
1:26:20
Speaker 1: his hands up there, like, you know, in the most
1:26:23
Speaker 1: respectful way possible. Is kind of like what is wrong
1:26:24
Speaker 1: with everybody? Our dough harvest, our populations are going up,
1:26:29
Speaker 1: dough harvest is going down. We try to incentivize dough
1:26:31
Speaker 1: harvest and people won't kill dose. So an argument in
1:26:34
Speaker 1: favor of the bill is it makes it easier to
1:26:39
Speaker 1: get does.
1:26:42
Speaker 2: That is an argument? But I think it's an arm
1:26:44
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit of a BS argument.
1:26:47
Speaker 1: The farm Bureau they like they wanted, They like the bait.
1:26:50
Speaker 1: They like the bait bill. They want bait coming in
1:26:52
Speaker 1: because they feel like it's gonna help alleviate crop.
1:26:57
Speaker 4: Damn, if you had to crystal ball at Brody, you
1:26:59
Speaker 4: think if they the legalized bait is like across the board,
1:27:02
Speaker 4: are you going to are you gonna see a higher dotate?
1:27:05
Speaker 6: I certainly think it's like, listen, there's a reason why
1:27:08
Speaker 6: people bait. It increases your odds, Like no.
1:27:11
Speaker 2: I understand that.
1:27:12
Speaker 4: But when we're talking about whether they're tifically whether the
1:27:16
Speaker 4: population of hunters that's around these days, like are they
1:27:20
Speaker 4: going to shoot more dos?
1:27:21
Speaker 1: Like is is it is the people most mad about
1:27:24
Speaker 1: the bait band, people that just want to shoot tons
1:27:27
Speaker 1: of dose.
1:27:27
Speaker 7: I don't know.
1:27:28
Speaker 1: I don't know either. I have yeah, like I'm little
1:27:32
Speaker 1: safety like the old classic road state, Like yeah, people
1:27:35
Speaker 1: are like someone's got to do something about.
1:27:37
Speaker 6: I definitely feel like there are areas in this country
1:27:40
Speaker 6: where like the number of deer a problem and they
1:27:43
Speaker 6: got to figure out some way to knock them down,
1:27:46
Speaker 6: you know.
1:27:47
Speaker 1: Sure, So that's another argument arguments in favor of the
1:27:50
Speaker 1: bill road safety. The state has fifty eight over fifty
1:27:55
Speaker 1: eight thousand deer related vehicle crashes. That was in twenty
1:27:58
Speaker 1: twenty four, meaning the current bait band is failing to
1:28:02
Speaker 1: control the population or people aren't shooting them. I don't.
1:28:06
Speaker 1: I don't think even blame that on the bait ban.
1:28:08
Speaker 1: And then like Johann you said hunter recruitment saying that
1:28:10
Speaker 1: like if you can put bait out, it's easier and
1:28:15
Speaker 1: kids are more successful and everybod's gonna have a better
1:28:17
Speaker 1: time shooting. All kinds of dear arguments against the bill
1:28:20
Speaker 1: Disease spread. Okay, the d n R and the wildlife
1:28:25
Speaker 1: biologists opposed the bill. Then you get into the science question,
1:28:35
Speaker 1: right where is you know, wildlife management people are you know,
1:28:40
Speaker 1: driven by what they would argue as the scientific understanding
1:28:43
Speaker 1: of the data and the population, and that this is
1:28:46
Speaker 1: coming from social this is coming that this is coming
1:28:48
Speaker 1: from like a social end of things. And then the
1:28:51
Speaker 1: question of fair chase concerns. Some traditional hunting groups argue
1:28:55
Speaker 1: that baiting diminishes fair chase ethics of the sport. I
1:29:02
Speaker 1: would that that's not what I would be looking at
1:29:05
Speaker 1: and making this decision. I wouldn't be looking at.
1:29:07
Speaker 5: That, especially if your goal is to kill a bunch
1:29:10
Speaker 5: more deer.
1:29:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the I think that the relevant
1:29:13
Speaker 1: the relevant in my mind, the relevant bits that I'd
1:29:16
Speaker 1: be looking at is what is the evidence to suggest
1:29:21
Speaker 1: that bait legitimately and accelerates disease transmission? Like how true?
1:29:27
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that really true? And then with this,
1:29:32
Speaker 1: is this really the most quickest, most effective way to
1:29:35
Speaker 1: bring up dough harvest That's the things I'd be looking
1:29:37
Speaker 1: at if I was chief of Michigan.
1:29:42
Speaker 5: They need to call that white Buffalo company. Send them
1:29:45
Speaker 5: in there.
1:29:47
Speaker 7: Don't give any ideas.
1:29:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, have Michigan taxpayers pay four hundred bucks a deer.
1:29:53
Speaker 1: Like the first thing we do is called a big bait,
1:29:56
Speaker 1: and we put some collars on some other deal. I
1:29:59
Speaker 1: mean that is stories aren't talking to each other, dude,
1:30:02
Speaker 1: because the eradication service white buffalo, they say right off,
1:30:06
Speaker 1: first thing we do get a bait pott yeah, so
1:30:10
Speaker 1: and a judas dear case in point. Yeah. Maybe in
1:30:13
Speaker 1: Michigan shoul legalized using Judas deer randall. All right, So
1:30:22
Speaker 1: last week.
1:30:24
Speaker 7: There are a bunch of headlines out there about the
1:30:26
Speaker 7: overhaul of the Forest Service that was announced by the administration,
1:30:31
Speaker 7: I believe on like Tuesday afternoon. There was a press
1:30:34
Speaker 7: release that went out and this has to do with
1:30:38
Speaker 7: the structure of the structure and geographic location of the
1:30:43
Speaker 7: Forest Service, which manages one hundred and ninety three million
1:30:46
Speaker 7: acres of our public lands. And you can read the
1:30:50
Speaker 7: press release to get the explanation firsthand. There there's a
1:30:54
Speaker 7: lot of the coverage out there that sort of gives
1:30:56
Speaker 7: a broader context to it, and a lot of the
1:31:00
Speaker 7: headlines are pretty alarmist. They say this is a dismantling
1:31:06
Speaker 7: things of that nature. And so I read as much
1:31:09
Speaker 7: as I could, uh and talk to some folks that
1:31:13
Speaker 7: work in the conservation space to get their read on it.
1:31:16
Speaker 7: But when you've read as much as you could, what
1:31:18
Speaker 7: is the what happens?
1:31:19
Speaker 1: You fall asleep? Nah, I just read as much as
1:31:22
Speaker 1: you could.
1:31:23
Speaker 7: Find we all get bored with it, you know, Yeah,
1:31:29
Speaker 7: I mean I read. I read like the most of
1:31:31
Speaker 7: the articles that people were sharing. And so the the
1:31:36
Speaker 7: announcement describes this as a sweeping restructuring of the agency
1:31:40
Speaker 7: to move leadership closer to the forests and communities it serves.
1:31:43
Speaker 7: And so there's a couple of points to this that
1:31:45
Speaker 7: I'm gonna hit on and kind of contextualize each one.
1:31:48
Speaker 7: The first is that they're going to move the headquarters
1:31:51
Speaker 7: from DC to Utah, and so.
1:31:56
Speaker 1: You interesting choice.
1:31:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the one.
1:31:58
Speaker 7: Yeah, that raised a lot of eyebrows, I think, just
1:32:01
Speaker 7: given Utah's history with public lands and that the press
1:32:04
Speaker 7: release has this quote from the Governor of Utah saying,
1:32:06
Speaker 7: you know, we're excited about this great news because.
1:32:11
Speaker 1: This way they're closer, we can strangle them more easily.
1:32:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, like so one.
1:32:19
Speaker 7: Like the bigger history is I guess there are and
1:32:21
Speaker 7: this is sort of from behind the scenes folks, Like
1:32:24
Speaker 7: there are more and more for a service personnel that
1:32:27
Speaker 7: are gravitating towards DC, Like the DC footprint of the
1:32:31
Speaker 7: agency has grown. But like there's a good reason to
1:32:34
Speaker 7: have the headquarters in d C. Because the chief of
1:32:38
Speaker 7: the Forest Service and the deputy chiefs of the Forest
1:32:41
Speaker 7: Service work with the Administration and work with Congress, like
1:32:44
Speaker 7: they and their their job is to be held accountable
1:32:48
Speaker 7: by the administration and Congress for what they're doing. And
1:32:50
Speaker 7: then their job is also to like inform uh, the
1:32:54
Speaker 7: federal you know, the federal government of what's going on
1:32:58
Speaker 7: with the agency. So like to move the the head
1:33:03
Speaker 7: of the organization away from DC, I don't know if
1:33:08
Speaker 7: it's fair to say that it makes it less relevant,
1:33:10
Speaker 7: but it makes it harder for the people at the
1:33:11
Speaker 7: top to be effective in their jobs. There's gonna have
1:33:13
Speaker 7: to be a lot of back and forth, right.
1:33:15
Speaker 3: And.
1:33:17
Speaker 7: So that's that's sort of the first thing is like
1:33:19
Speaker 7: moving the moving the agency's headquarters to Utah.
1:33:24
Speaker 1: Man the other that that I just kind of I
1:33:26
Speaker 1: just want to meditate on that. Forer Mint, that's a
1:33:29
Speaker 1: weird one to me because you have the the the
1:33:34
Speaker 1: legislators right in that state. Their their state representatives just
1:33:43
Speaker 1: have a more than any other state, have just a
1:33:45
Speaker 1: hostile relationship to public lands.
1:33:48
Speaker 6: Yeah, it seems intentional anywhere like yeah, yeah, And so.
1:33:54
Speaker 1: The other the other be like if the golfing uh,
1:33:59
Speaker 1: like the golf is Sociation was like, we're going to
1:34:01
Speaker 1: move our headquarters to Steve's house.
1:34:05
Speaker 7: Yeah, that would raise eyebrows.
1:34:07
Speaker 1: You don't let golf. They'd be like, that's the point.
1:34:12
Speaker 7: The next, like the next sort of biggest headline out
1:34:14
Speaker 7: there is that they're they're closing all the regional offices.
1:34:18
Speaker 7: So there right now there's nine regional offices that oversee
1:34:21
Speaker 7: all the forests and grasslands across the country, and they're
1:34:26
Speaker 7: going to move to a state based model. So there's
1:34:29
Speaker 7: gonna be fifteen state directors. Some of those states are fused.
1:34:34
Speaker 7: Can you back, how was it? Remember what it was before?
1:34:37
Speaker 7: So they're regions. There's like region one region where they're nine. Okay,
1:34:42
Speaker 7: so they're going to fifteen state directors. Some of those
1:34:45
Speaker 7: oversee multiple states.
1:34:48
Speaker 1: And this like that.
1:34:50
Speaker 7: The headline is that the regional offices, all the regional
1:34:54
Speaker 7: offices are being closed. But what's what's really happening is
1:34:57
Speaker 7: it's transitioning to a model that more mostly resembles like
1:35:01
Speaker 7: the BLM has state directors and so, so this is
1:35:05
Speaker 7: sort of more of a restructuring, although for the people
1:35:08
Speaker 7: in those regional offices who may have to move or
1:35:13
Speaker 7: lose their jobs, like there is there is an impact
1:35:15
Speaker 7: on the ground, but it's not like all of that
1:35:18
Speaker 7: infrastructure is being dissolved. It's it's transitioning to a state
1:35:22
Speaker 7: director model, which folks in the conservation space say works
1:35:27
Speaker 7: well for the BLM.
1:35:28
Speaker 1: So and presumably people assigned at the regional level will
1:35:35
Speaker 1: will be assigned at the state level. Yeah, I mean
1:35:39
Speaker 1: that's there be a there'll be like a reshuffling.
1:35:41
Speaker 7: That's where it gets hard, Like in the shuffling, and
1:35:44
Speaker 7: this is something I'm going to touch on later on,
1:35:45
Speaker 7: it's like it gets hard to really understand the scope
1:35:48
Speaker 7: of the personnel changes that will take place, Like there's
1:35:51
Speaker 7: probably gonna be a lot of turnover and loss of
1:35:53
Speaker 7: institutional knowledge and have career you know, career people sort
1:36:00
Speaker 7: of their paths take a left or right turn here.
1:36:05
Speaker 7: I don't know that like we can even find that
1:36:08
Speaker 7: out at this point how it's gonna affect Like I
1:36:11
Speaker 7: would be doubtful if there's just a one to one
1:36:13
Speaker 7: like you go to a different desk, But it's hard
1:36:15
Speaker 7: to say at that point. And then the last one,
1:36:18
Speaker 7: I think is is pretty significant. And they're they've announced
1:36:22
Speaker 7: that they're going to consolidate all of the research that
1:36:26
Speaker 7: they do into a single Forest Service research organization in
1:36:30
Speaker 7: Fort Collins. So they're going to close fifty seven of
1:36:33
Speaker 7: seventy seven research stations across the country. Four in Michigan,
1:36:38
Speaker 7: are closing five in Mississippi. And this like there's I
1:36:45
Speaker 7: don't really know how to explain this in a way
1:36:47
Speaker 7: that like do they have their own Forest Service research
1:36:52
Speaker 7: stations that sit outside of like USDA research stations.
1:36:57
Speaker 1: They must, yeah, this is this is Forest Service specific.
1:37:00
Speaker 7: Yeah, and like so not all of them are being closed,
1:37:03
Speaker 7: Like I think that in the public communications have tried
1:37:06
Speaker 7: to emphasize that like some like a lot of the
1:37:08
Speaker 7: fire stuff will be less effective than everything else. But
1:37:12
Speaker 7: like there's a real question about how do you study
1:37:15
Speaker 7: like southern pine forests from Fort Collins efficiently. And then
1:37:20
Speaker 7: the other thing is that like each one of these
1:37:22
Speaker 7: research stations, a lot of them anyway, are affiliated with
1:37:26
Speaker 7: like a research institution, like a university, and so they
1:37:29
Speaker 7: rely on that lab space. So you can't just close
1:37:32
Speaker 7: sixty You can't close like three quarters of the research
1:37:36
Speaker 7: stations out there, move all that to Colorado and not
1:37:39
Speaker 7: lose something, right, And it just seems like that seems
1:37:45
Speaker 7: like more of a like a defanging or a squeezing
1:37:49
Speaker 7: of like the Forest Services research capabilities, and that I
1:37:55
Speaker 7: don't really know, like how you explain that that as
1:38:00
Speaker 7: being beneficial to the Forest Service.
1:38:02
Speaker 1: I don't think they're trying to make it. I'm sure
1:38:04
Speaker 1: they're probably they're going to probably be cute, yeah, and
1:38:07
Speaker 1: act like this is for the betterment of the agency.
1:38:11
Speaker 1: But that's silly, right.
1:38:13
Speaker 2: This is to this is to.
1:38:17
Speaker 1: Cripple, hamstring, diminish lesson the impact of the agency, is right,
1:38:25
Speaker 1: I mean, because the architects, the architects aren't like, how
1:38:29
Speaker 1: do we make the Forest Service bigger and better? Right?
1:38:32
Speaker 7: I mean I think there's like I think there's that's
1:38:37
Speaker 7: how the critics are reading this as like this is
1:38:39
Speaker 7: a very deliberate attempt to like destroy it. And I'm
1:38:42
Speaker 7: not using the word destroy, yeah, but like diminished, diminish
1:38:46
Speaker 7: it diminish its impact. Now I don't think, no, not
1:38:50
Speaker 7: using the word destroy, right, right, But like I think
1:38:53
Speaker 7: that I think there's also this to like give them
1:38:58
Speaker 7: some sort of benefit of the doubt, Like there's this
1:39:00
Speaker 7: ideological thing that like they need to get out of
1:39:04
Speaker 7: DC and be in the West, and like we have
1:39:06
Speaker 7: too big of a footprint, and so it might not
1:39:09
Speaker 7: be necessarily like it might be more principled things if
1:39:13
Speaker 7: you believe that the Forest Service is doing too much
1:39:16
Speaker 7: science out there. I don't. I'm not in that camp.
1:39:20
Speaker 7: But so this went through public comment period forty seven
1:39:23
Speaker 7: thousand emails fourteen thousand specifically addressed the restructuring. More than
1:39:28
Speaker 7: eighty percent of those comments opposed it, and of the remainder,
1:39:32
Speaker 7: more of those were neutral than supported it. So like
1:39:35
Speaker 7: the support in the public comment period for this stuff
1:39:37
Speaker 7: was like five percent something like that. So it was
1:39:40
Speaker 7: overwhelmingly opposed. The tribes have spoken out in opposition, a
1:39:44
Speaker 7: lot of conservation groups and a lot of Forest Service
1:39:47
Speaker 7: former Forest Service leadership is spoken out, and the message
1:39:50
Speaker 7: there is like basically nobody's asking for this. Internally, nobody
1:39:56
Speaker 7: necessarily wants this. There's been no real analysis of the
1:39:59
Speaker 7: cost or the savings of this. And they did this
1:40:03
Speaker 7: with the BLM in the first Trump administration. They moved
1:40:06
Speaker 7: the agency headquarters to Grand Junction. It was way more
1:40:09
Speaker 7: expensive than they anticipated, and a lot of the people
1:40:13
Speaker 7: ended up just like either taking early retirement or.
1:40:19
Speaker 1: Quitting.
1:40:21
Speaker 7: Only forty one of the three hundred and twenty eight
1:40:23
Speaker 7: bl employees that they wanted to move out to Grand
1:40:25
Speaker 7: Junction actually did it, And then the Biden administration moved.
1:40:30
Speaker 7: They didn't move everybody back. They determined that yeah, there
1:40:33
Speaker 7: are some jobs I guess that would be better suited
1:40:36
Speaker 7: to be out west and have more close connection with
1:40:39
Speaker 7: like the career field staff. But they did move the
1:40:42
Speaker 7: leadership back because it was just not working. So this
1:40:48
Speaker 7: I mean, and this is all in the context of
1:40:51
Speaker 7: huge cuts to the for service operations budget, huge cuts
1:40:56
Speaker 7: to the capital improvement and maintenance budgets, and the Forest
1:41:01
Speaker 7: Service is down already twenty five percent in terms of
1:41:06
Speaker 7: people like human resources, and they have a hiring freeze
1:41:10
Speaker 7: in place with a lot of key jobs that are unfilled.
1:41:14
Speaker 7: So like it just adds to this broader confusion and
1:41:20
Speaker 7: sapping of morale.
1:41:21
Speaker 1: I think so.
1:41:24
Speaker 7: I guess like in talking to people, I was kind
1:41:27
Speaker 7: of in the I was kind of more aligned with
1:41:30
Speaker 7: the idea that this was a dismantling, you know, And
1:41:36
Speaker 7: I guess I still don't. I wouldn't repudiate that view.
1:41:41
Speaker 7: I talked to a lot of people that sort of
1:41:43
Speaker 7: talked me back from the edge a little bit. There's
1:41:46
Speaker 7: still a lot of inexplicable things in here, and things
1:41:48
Speaker 7: that aren't going to be workable and they'll have to
1:41:50
Speaker 7: be reversed. But what was pointed out to me, and
1:41:54
Speaker 7: this is like my takeaway is there are a lot
1:41:57
Speaker 7: of other things, Like this is a big, splashy headline,
1:42:01
Speaker 7: there's a lot of other things going on right now,
1:42:03
Speaker 7: like the roadless rule repeal, that are going to be
1:42:06
Speaker 7: far more impactful on the future of our national force.
1:42:09
Speaker 7: Like there's there's a pile of stuff right now that's
1:42:12
Speaker 7: happening that will ultimately undermine the forest service system as
1:42:18
Speaker 7: we know it, and this is kind of adding to that.
1:42:21
Speaker 7: But they're saying and not to minimize like the impact
1:42:26
Speaker 7: on employees and all the chaos and confusion that's happening
1:42:29
Speaker 7: but like ultimately it's not like a five alarm fire.
1:42:34
Speaker 7: But it's also just like do we need to do this?
1:42:38
Speaker 1: And is doing this?
1:42:39
Speaker 7: Are we taking away from other important work?
1:42:42
Speaker 1: You know?
1:42:44
Speaker 7: So I don't know, it's not encouraging. I was, I
1:42:49
Speaker 7: will say, like my my takeaway from it, I was
1:42:52
Speaker 7: a little more heartened after talking to like more experienced
1:42:55
Speaker 7: and knowledgeable people. But it's still just like a lot.
1:42:58
Speaker 7: It's just like a big pile of ship thrown at
1:43:01
Speaker 7: the wall to see what sticks, you know, cap And
1:43:04
Speaker 7: you can.
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1:43:19
Speaker 6: I was gonna all right then I always get screwed.
1:43:28
Speaker 1: Just just happened. The lions always get screwed.
1:43:33
Speaker 2: No, I always, okay, do your report.
1:43:35
Speaker 5: So we're gonna do it.
1:43:36
Speaker 1: If you want. We've been we've been running. People are
1:43:38
Speaker 1: gonna have it. They're got, they got, We're gonna do it.
1:43:41
Speaker 6: Then we're just gonna keep pushing it back. And you
1:43:44
Speaker 6: already said we were doing it.
1:43:46
Speaker 1: I was gonna have phill beep it all out.
1:43:49
Speaker 6: Alaska is opening a mountain lion season. Some of you
1:43:52
Speaker 6: might be asking why, because they don't have any mountain lions.
1:43:55
Speaker 6: Mountain lions are found most in the largest numbers in
1:43:58
Speaker 6: the western US and south western Canada, but their most
1:44:01
Speaker 6: widely distributed large mammal in the western hemisphere all the
1:44:05
Speaker 6: way from the Yukon down to the southern Andies and Chile.
1:44:09
Speaker 6: But historically they're not native to Alaska. Since nineteen eighty nine,
1:44:16
Speaker 6: there's only been five documented mountain lion observations, all in
1:44:20
Speaker 6: southeast Alaska. Four of those were in Game Management Unit three,
1:44:24
Speaker 6: which includes Wrangle and Petersburg. There have also been some
1:44:28
Speaker 6: unconfirmed tracks and sightings, mostly origin originating in the Wrangel area,
1:44:35
Speaker 6: and researchers believe that these few mountain lines that have
1:44:39
Speaker 6: shown up are dispersed from mainland British Columbia.
1:44:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude trapped one, dude shot one. They've had four
1:44:44
Speaker 1: dead bodies, so yeah.
1:44:47
Speaker 6: Most recently, Alaska Wildlife Troopers were notified in on June third,
1:44:54
Speaker 6: twenty twenty four, that one had been shot and killed
1:44:57
Speaker 6: on the south end of Wrangle Island. Before that, it
1:45:00
Speaker 6: was twenty six years. You got to go back twenty
1:45:03
Speaker 6: six years from twenty twenty four.
1:45:05
Speaker 1: No, because a wolf trapper caught one in a snare
1:45:07
Speaker 1: on Coou Island. Well, that's true.
1:45:10
Speaker 6: This says twenty six years in nineteen ninety eight. A
1:45:14
Speaker 6: Wrangle trapper cut a mountain li was that long ago,
1:45:17
Speaker 6: and a wolf trap off coopering off coupper off Kapranoff Island,
1:45:22
Speaker 6: and then a decade before that, nineteen eighty nine one
1:45:25
Speaker 6: was shot near Wrangles.
1:45:26
Speaker 5: So it's all kind of in the same area where
1:45:28
Speaker 5: they're showing up.
1:45:29
Speaker 6: Okay anyway, So it might seem strange that Alaska now
1:45:35
Speaker 6: has a mountainlin season, but the Southeast Alaska Board of
1:45:41
Speaker 6: Game recently, like formerly, approved a new and limited hunting
1:45:46
Speaker 6: and trapping season.
1:45:47
Speaker 2: Did you say unlimited or limited?
1:45:49
Speaker 5: Well, the hunting.
1:45:51
Speaker 6: Season is limited. It'll run August first of June fifteenth
1:45:55
Speaker 6: with a bag limit of one.
1:45:57
Speaker 1: It's a big season when animal break to your wife,
1:46:02
Speaker 1: not gonna be hunting pretty hard this season.
1:46:05
Speaker 6: For the hunting season, it's males only, but there's also
1:46:09
Speaker 6: a trapping season in units one, three, four, and five,
1:46:12
Speaker 6: which will run November fifteenth through March thirty first. Obviously,
1:46:18
Speaker 6: trappers can't decide whether they're catching a male or a female,
1:46:22
Speaker 6: so they're not going to be held to that male
1:46:24
Speaker 6: only regulation. So you know, like I I Steve's like,
1:46:31
Speaker 6: why why are they doing it? I'm like, well, I
1:46:32
Speaker 6: think they're just trying to get ahead of it. I'm
1:46:34
Speaker 6: sure Steve will say more on that, but the reason
1:46:38
Speaker 6: the board gave is they're trying to like regulate a
1:46:41
Speaker 6: small but growing predator population rather than have an animal
1:46:45
Speaker 6: that they're like by regulation, they're not able to manage
1:46:50
Speaker 6: it through hunting and trapping.
1:46:54
Speaker 1: What I find interesting about the story is they feel
1:46:56
Speaker 1: that they're coming down the.
1:46:57
Speaker 5: Stakeen right, that's it's the falling river draining.
1:47:02
Speaker 1: I read this analysis. It was a handful of river
1:47:05
Speaker 1: systems that the head waters of the river systems are
1:47:08
Speaker 1: glaciated or deer free, and kind of the best approach
1:47:12
Speaker 1: be coming out of British Columbia. You could be into
1:47:15
Speaker 1: you could be into good deer country and tip over
1:47:19
Speaker 1: into the upper Stacquen and follow this Tekeene down and
1:47:23
Speaker 1: eventually get on the coastal areas and they're starting to
1:47:25
Speaker 1: pick off sick of black tails on the coastal areas.
1:47:28
Speaker 6: Interestingly, all of these what is it five that have
1:47:32
Speaker 6: shown up in this area all male.
1:47:34
Speaker 5: Yeah, so which makes sense with that, like.
1:47:36
Speaker 1: Just dispersed, dispersing. There's a similar thing where mule deer
1:47:41
Speaker 1: for the first you know, in recent years, mulder have
1:47:43
Speaker 1: been showing up in toke Alaska coming along the highway there,
1:47:47
Speaker 1: following the highway corridor development along the highway corridor, clearing
1:47:51
Speaker 1: along the highway corridor, and they don't want the deer
1:47:55
Speaker 1: coming in right now. In that case, they don't want
1:47:57
Speaker 1: the deer coming in because you think about the implications
1:47:58
Speaker 1: of something like like disease issues, so servid diseases coming
1:48:02
Speaker 1: in on this new animal showing up. And so if
1:48:06
Speaker 1: you see a meal, do you can kill it? I
1:48:08
Speaker 1: think maybe you gotta have a valid license. But basically
1:48:10
Speaker 1: they like they shoot, yeah and acknowledging it there. It's
1:48:14
Speaker 1: like if you see a meal, do you can kill
1:48:15
Speaker 1: the So with the lion thing, I see it like
1:48:21
Speaker 1: I understand leaving it that I understand the need to
1:48:25
Speaker 1: say like they're here, because clearly they're there. You could
1:48:29
Speaker 1: also say, hey, we're recognizing they're here. The state is
1:48:34
Speaker 1: going to put in a management policy that that lions
1:48:38
Speaker 1: are here, we're accepting there. When you look at our regulations,
1:48:41
Speaker 1: you'll see the lions are here. We may someday decide
1:48:46
Speaker 1: to have a season, but the state agency saying, yes,
1:48:49
Speaker 1: we accept we have a population of mountain lions. There's
1:48:53
Speaker 1: a pathway to a mountain lion season down the road,
1:48:55
Speaker 1: but at this point in time, there's so few they're
1:48:59
Speaker 1: coming in Naturally they're protected, or the state's perspective. It
1:49:03
Speaker 1: could be this. It's like they're coming in because things
1:49:07
Speaker 1: are getting warmer and there's less snow in different temperatures,
1:49:11
Speaker 1: and deer, white tailed deer are moving north. Mil deer
1:49:15
Speaker 1: are moving north and west, and a lot of this
1:49:18
Speaker 1: stuff is like human caused, And they might be like,
1:49:20
Speaker 1: we don't want mountain lions. We already got wolves, black bears,
1:49:24
Speaker 1: grizzly bears, links. I feel like that we don't need
1:49:27
Speaker 1: a new cat species coming in because of changing environments
1:49:32
Speaker 1: and we don't want them. And so rather than just
1:49:34
Speaker 1: saying we don't want them, we'll say that they're basically open. Yeah,
1:49:37
Speaker 1: and if you get when you're not in trouble.
1:49:38
Speaker 6: I feel like that there's got to be that's part
1:49:41
Speaker 6: of it. Especially in Alaska where they're they work pretty
1:49:45
Speaker 6: hard to maintain their big game populations for the use
1:49:48
Speaker 6: of the people.
1:49:49
Speaker 5: Yes, and this could present potentially a problem for it.
1:49:54
Speaker 1: I have more, not more. I have as much respect
1:50:00
Speaker 1: faith in Alaska Department of Fishing Game. This is gonna blow,
1:50:04
Speaker 1: this is gonna piss people. Officer have all kinds of
1:50:05
Speaker 1: reasons why not. But so I'm choosing my words carefully.
1:50:08
Speaker 1: I have as much respect for the integrity and aim
1:50:12
Speaker 1: of Alaska Department of Fishing Game as I do for
1:50:15
Speaker 1: any state agency. In terms of looking at how do
1:50:21
Speaker 1: we protect wildlife resources recognizing the importance of human use
1:50:28
Speaker 1: and recognize the importance of traditional use practices. They're pretty
1:50:31
Speaker 1: spot on relative to any other agency. So I tend
1:50:34
Speaker 1: to look at if they do it. I tend to
1:50:36
Speaker 1: go like, you guys are level headed wildlife managers. I
1:50:40
Speaker 1: don't feel like you've been like infiltrated by animal rights
1:50:43
Speaker 1: activists or something like. You're level headed wildlife managers, and
1:50:46
Speaker 1: I kind of you know, at this point, I'd be like,
1:50:48
Speaker 1: I trust your opinion.
1:50:50
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's look, I mean, mountain lions are doing
1:50:54
Speaker 6: pretty well throughout a lot of their range. This isn't
1:50:57
Speaker 6: I think gonna change that. I don't think you can
1:51:01
Speaker 6: look at them as an invasive species. They're walking in
1:51:04
Speaker 6: there on their own r walking.
1:51:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're walking in on their own two feet so four.
1:51:09
Speaker 4: More regulated then what? I like, we're doing this just
1:51:13
Speaker 4: because we don't want another species?
1:51:16
Speaker 1: You mean the fact that it's closed for a month
1:51:17
Speaker 1: and a half.
1:51:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like, why not just have that you know,
1:51:23
Speaker 2: right to shoot policy like they do on the mule.
1:51:25
Speaker 6: Because I think classifying them as a game animal like
1:51:29
Speaker 6: gives them certain management.
1:51:31
Speaker 4: But why not do that with those mule deer in
1:51:33
Speaker 4: tow It's a great question. What's the difference?
1:51:37
Speaker 1: I guess we just have someone, Hopefully we can get
1:51:40
Speaker 1: find someone to answer those questions for us. I want
1:51:42
Speaker 1: to invite a I want to invite a correction.
1:51:44
Speaker 5: That mean you're gonna correct me?
1:51:46
Speaker 6: I am.
1:51:47
Speaker 1: I am virtually certain that more recently than what you're saying,
1:51:51
Speaker 1: Like pretty recently, a dude hooked one in a wolf's
1:51:54
Speaker 1: snare on Coou Island.
1:51:56
Speaker 5: You're probably right.
1:51:57
Speaker 1: I'm just going to doing on those islands though. Man,
1:52:00
Speaker 1: those dudes are walking like they're like dispersing heading weigh
1:52:04
Speaker 1: down that they and then swimming. Yeah, because they're not
1:52:07
Speaker 1: finding any female they're not crossing ice, right, they're not
1:52:10
Speaker 1: finding females.
1:52:11
Speaker 6: When those lines showed up on Flathead Island here in Montana.
1:52:15
Speaker 5: Like at least ice was a possibility there.
1:52:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're like smelling Yi, smelling dumb bull horns
1:52:23
Speaker 1: tame big. Yeah, that's a good question, man, it's a
1:52:28
Speaker 1: good question. Prince Wales doesn't have him yet. There's no
1:52:30
Speaker 1: c you can't if you see one on Prince Wales
1:52:32
Speaker 1: you can't shoot or I don't know what.
1:52:34
Speaker 5: Well, it depends.
1:52:34
Speaker 6: Why don't have a season they gave the regions there,
1:52:38
Speaker 6: but I think the hunting season. It's just the trapping
1:52:41
Speaker 6: season that's limited to certain regions.
1:52:43
Speaker 1: Well, it's when it's wolf season, it's trapping. When it's
1:52:46
Speaker 1: they're also protecting a wolf, you're also protecting a wolf
1:52:48
Speaker 1: trapper who accidentally hooks a cougar. That if he hooks
1:52:52
Speaker 1: a Cougary's not in trouble, which is cool. Yep. So
1:52:58
Speaker 1: someday Yanni's great grand sun will be up there with
1:53:01
Speaker 1: Mingus's great great great great great great grandson, and it will.
1:53:08
Speaker 2: Mingus's lineage stops with him.
1:53:11
Speaker 1: Oh he's missing his testicles, isn't he?
1:53:13
Speaker 2: You can get him cloned.
1:53:15
Speaker 5: They do that these days.
1:53:16
Speaker 2: You're right, I could get him cloned.
1:53:20
Speaker 3: I got one news thing to end with. Please, what's
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Speaker 3: the biggest crappie that any of you have caught?
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Speaker 1: Don't know? Fifteen sixteen inches?
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Speaker 3: Now here are like pounds?
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Speaker 2: Their weight less than a pound for me?
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Speaker 3: Two? Okay, maybe you're super closed.
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Speaker 5: I think that's a big one.
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Speaker 3: So at the Lake of the Ozarks the other weekend,
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Speaker 3: this is like so fun to find out about. It
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Speaker 3: was the second annual Big Crappie Challenge.
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Speaker 1: Was the biggest crappy in the Big Crappie Challenge?
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Speaker 3: Two point thirty seven pounds?
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Speaker 2: Can you get in day?
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Speaker 10: No?
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Speaker 2: I have to look for that.
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Speaker 3: He won fifty thousand dollars. They take crappy fifty thousand dollars.
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Speaker 3: We got to enter next next year.
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Speaker 2: Let me, I don't know, mastery, but pretty good.
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Speaker 6: A lot cheaper than going after him bill Fish and
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Speaker 6: spending fifty grand on gas.
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Speaker 1: Mercer lone just got one forty four bucks playing golf.
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Speaker 1: I'd rather win fifty thousand dollars catching crap Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Uh, sixteen inches long?
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Speaker 1: Oh? Did I say fifteen sixteen I'd like to take that.
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Speaker 2: Back that's what you call it, slab slab, I ask me.
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Speaker 1: Again, I was eleven twelve inches. Yeah, I just gotta
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Speaker 1: caught myself in a lie either.
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Speaker 7: I'll get a dozen emails.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to offer a correction for this is the
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Speaker 1: way Steve caught it big. I haven't caught him back
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Speaker 1: that big, I was lying, paper Mouse. Thanks a lot
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Speaker 1: for joining