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Football at Four: A Discussion on Eagles OC Job Going Forward · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Football and four powered by the Inside of the Birds podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: Ocean Casino Resort in Atlantic City. The Eagles have fired
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Bittullo. What is next for the Birds free agents?
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  Speaker 1: Where do they go from here? Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 1: Adam Kaplin's here from the Inside of the Birds podcast, which
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  Speaker 1: the Birds. Adam Kaplan in the house as the breaking
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  Speaker 1: news just moments ago, the Eagles have fired Kevin Bittulo.
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  Speaker 1: He will now I don't know if he has a
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  Speaker 1: role in the organization or what they're gonna do with
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  Speaker 1: him here, but they'll have their fifth offensive coordinator in
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  Speaker 1: five years and not surprising news, I guess, Adam no.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it would have been a shock or miracle
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  Speaker 2: if Bittulo I was gonna keep it out. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: if you read the statement, actually this is actually kind
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  Speaker 2: of funny. Let's just give you an inside look at
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  Speaker 2: how things are done. So I actually was on their
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  Speaker 2: website at three twenty nine and I saw their announcement
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  Speaker 2: and that saw Nicks. It was very clear that he
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  Speaker 2: was fired. He's could be with the team that if
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  Speaker 2: you just read the release that they put out or
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  Speaker 2: the statement they put on the website, he's out. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't seem like he's got a job with the organization.
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  Speaker 2: So but anyway, Mike, and then like a minute a
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  Speaker 2: half later it got leaked to the national media. Thought
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  Speaker 2: it was comical. That's the way it goes. Sometimes it's
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  Speaker 2: very funny. But overall, Mike, when you look at it,
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  Speaker 2: and then you said this very well, Mike, when you
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  Speaker 2: work for Nick Siriane, no matter what Nick says, because
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  Speaker 2: he actually you don't you probably won't remember this first,
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  Speaker 2: he basically said, when when he announced that he was
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  Speaker 2: looking for a new coordinator and that guy would be
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  Speaker 2: able to run his own show, he back way off
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  Speaker 2: of that, however, he said it then this is two
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  Speaker 2: years ago, and would happened with if Kellen Moore was
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  Speaker 2: I know for a fact from everyone I spoke with
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  Speaker 2: a great of the tape, it's the same scheme with
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  Speaker 2: occasionally different concepts every now and then hurts it said
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  Speaker 2: it was ninety percent different. It wasn't ninety percent different.
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  Speaker 2: It was very much the same. But Kellen Moore added
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  Speaker 2: stuff that he had not seen before. That that's all.
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  Speaker 1: That's all so real quick on Kevin obviously he's out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what kind of coordinator is plausible here? I mean, do
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  Speaker 1: you get a guy, as a high profile guy, say, look,
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  Speaker 1: look at this offense. I'd love to get my hands
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  Speaker 1: on this. Or do they not want to work with
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  Speaker 1: Nick in this offense? Does Jeffery get involved in say Nick,
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  Speaker 1: your offense is done? I mean, I don't feel like
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  Speaker 1: we've heard the end of what's next.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I know in twenty twenty that rich Gangarella was
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  Speaker 2: more or less forced on Doug Peterson. Remember the innovation
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  Speaker 2: of Doug bristled at that he didn't like it, but
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  Speaker 2: because Doug didn't really handle his coaching staff like he
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  Speaker 2: didn't hire most of the coaches Gan Gorell because they
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  Speaker 2: wanted to add the West Coast element and some the
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  Speaker 2: Shanahan principles. Dis Gangarella came from the Shanahan tree, and
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  Speaker 2: that that backfired mightily if it was a train wreck.
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  Speaker 2: Jeffrey does get involved. He wants innovation. This one will
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  Speaker 2: be interesting because let me just explain why Mike McDaniel
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  Speaker 2: makes no sense. Hearts is not a timing and rhythm
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  Speaker 2: type of quarterback. He's just not that he's shown a
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  Speaker 2: little bit better in the second half. Really since the
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  Speaker 2: Charger game, Mike, he's served more of a willingness to
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  Speaker 2: at least throw the ball inside where than they ever has.
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  Speaker 2: But that's not the kind of thory is overall. And
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  Speaker 2: he's never been a timing thrower, that's anticipation thrower, So
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  Speaker 2: that would make no sense anyone from the Shanahan tree. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he never say never, Mike, and it's what I've learned.
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  Speaker 2: We've used this phrase for now nine years with the Eagles,
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  Speaker 2: who never say never, But it makes zero sense from
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  Speaker 2: a compatibility standpoint.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you got Kingsbury, Stefanski, that level of guy. Do
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  Speaker 1: you see any opportunity there? Do you think those guys
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  Speaker 1: are pie in the sky?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Stefanski wants to be a head.
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  Speaker 1: Coach again, so I figure he will get a head
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  Speaker 1: coaching job. He's the one that I think definitively gets
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  Speaker 1: a head coaching job. I'm not sure about kings Barrier. McDaniel.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's the problem. Cliff Kimsberry would have been the OC.
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  Speaker 2: We reported this at the time, but Cliff wanted to
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  Speaker 2: fire a lot of their offensive coaches because he wanted
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  Speaker 2: to bring his own staff. Cliffan is brilliant, very smart. Now,
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  Speaker 2: he would fit in very well with Hurts from his
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  Speaker 2: because he runs a lot of spread concepts. Hurts his
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  Speaker 2: dw of that. But the other name that to watch.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see if he's on there. Jeff brought this name up.
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  Speaker 2: He just fits dialistically. That's Todd Monkin. Jeff brought this
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  Speaker 2: up to me yesterday And what I thought about it.
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  Speaker 2: This thing I love about Monkin is he runs everything.
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  Speaker 2: He runs everything he could possibly want. Paul personnel eleven
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  Speaker 2: ten thirteen personnel, which is three tight ends. He would
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  Speaker 2: be a great fit. So we'll see if Eagles are interested.
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  Speaker 2: Now I know this. I'm not saying they even make
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  Speaker 2: a call to Greg Roman's agent, but I know someone
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  Speaker 2: in their building is always like Greg Roman. I know
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  Speaker 2: that for a fact. It doesn't mean they're we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: be interested. I'm just telling you that they've kind of
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  Speaker 2: like Greg Roman over the years. Well, you know, he
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  Speaker 2: just got fired as as you mentioned, and he's now
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  Speaker 2: been fired. This is crazy. He's been fired by both
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  Speaker 2: fire Ball brothers.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, uh, he was in Baltimore now and of course
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  Speaker 1: San Diego or La excuse me. With the Chargers Greg
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  Speaker 1: Roman from Ventnor Holy Spirit, he has been let go
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  Speaker 1: by the Chargers. The Eagles now have a opening here
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  Speaker 1: as well. And then I guess that would be the question,
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  Speaker 1: like does Nick get to keep this little Cocamedi offense
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  Speaker 1: that is his and or do they say, look, Nick,
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  Speaker 1: we gotta evolve and move on from this offense. He
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  Speaker 1: got us a super Bowl congradual. Yes you got me, Adam,
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  Speaker 1: you got me.
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  Speaker 2: Muck you there, Yes, I hear you can hear you
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  Speaker 2: now you're there.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm here, I got I could hear you all right,
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  Speaker 1: I hear yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So this one is could be interesting. This one's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be interesting Jeffrey because remember they has to have his
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  Speaker 2: year end meeting with Jeffrey, and this is where I
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  Speaker 2: was told some of the names on his list got
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  Speaker 2: a raised for the meeting. So I think he's gonna
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  Speaker 2: have to give it a long thought. This is a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more complicated because you got the Hurts factor.
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  Speaker 2: What's gonna work with Jalen. It's it's very difficult to
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  Speaker 2: be honest with you, Mike, to to get somebody someone
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  Speaker 2: who's gonna fit here.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. Let me ask you this, Adam. I know,
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  Speaker 1: like everybody wants to blame a tool and he got fired.
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  Speaker 1: But how much blame do you put on him? Is
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  Speaker 1: he the reason this offense struggled so much?
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  Speaker 2: The scheme, it's the scheme from Sirianni, but Kevin had
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  Speaker 2: a hand in it because he had been a pasketing
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  Speaker 2: cooridator before this. Like the last play to their last
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  Speaker 2: play of the season, the fourth and eleven was so
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  Speaker 2: poorly designed, I can't tell. I spoke to three coaches
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  Speaker 2: now for around the league, and they all said the
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  Speaker 2: same thing. You're running four verts first quarters coverage really
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  Speaker 2: on the fourth and eleven with no outlet, like with
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  Speaker 2: with no hitch routes, you get the ball within fifteen
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  Speaker 2: yards like this is just not that's bad. That's bad, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: that's it. That's inexcusable. I don't know if Jeffery would
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  Speaker 2: understand that, But that's bad. That's all Nick, because it's his,
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  Speaker 2: it's his scheme. Mike.
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  Speaker 1: Well, then my my next peel of the onion to
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  Speaker 1: the question would be, then I've got my lotta. I've
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  Speaker 1: got Dickerson, Jurgens, they're all signed. I got Steen, I've
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  Speaker 1: got Lane I don't know what his deal is. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Am I replacing anybody on the offensive line?
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  Speaker 1: Am I replaced? Basically? Am I replacing anybody in the offense?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: Are we just basically bringing back the same exact offense?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe not Goddard, who knows his future, but essentially everybody.
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  Speaker 1: How is this offense different?
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  Speaker 2: Then? Well, Steen is the guy that have to take
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  Speaker 2: a look at because they're they're locked in everywhere else
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  Speaker 2: now lan Lan Steve as he always is, yep, with
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  Speaker 2: an HJ. Brown, Mike, he can't get out of it
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  Speaker 2: by trading there a pit in the trade would be significant,
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  Speaker 2: but you can use the post to on designation half
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  Speaker 2: at over two years. It would be painful. But that's
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  Speaker 2: the one to watch as we come to mid March
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  Speaker 2: when when freedency opens.
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  Speaker 1: Mic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's I've telling our Patroon members all season.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be very surprised if AJ Brown's back. I just
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  Speaker 2: would be There's there's a lot going on there with AJ,
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  Speaker 2: A lot of it. Most of it's out, not all.
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  Speaker 2: If it is, it's just and and by the way,
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  Speaker 2: they have a lot of draft picks they could replace him.
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  Speaker 2: It's he's a very good football player turns twenty nine.
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  Speaker 2: They've been able to dodge the injury bullet, unlike the
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  Speaker 2: Titans code with him. It's pretty interesting.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about Capitol Football four and obviously this news
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  Speaker 1: just came down that Patula has been fired, and now
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  Speaker 1: we're kind of looking at where they go from here.
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  Speaker 1: They do have a lot of free agents on this
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  Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. None of them are really
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  Speaker 1: all that, you know, glamorous, other than maybe Goddard. But
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  Speaker 1: you look at Prior Tote, Fred Johnson. I mean, their
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  Speaker 1: offensive line was a problem this year, and some of
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  Speaker 1: it was the depth problem. I mean Toth came in
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  Speaker 1: played okay later on, but he was a problem earlier.
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  Speaker 1: Matt Pryor, they tried to play him, he was terrible.
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  Speaker 1: Fred Johnson they traded for. They got to at least
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  Speaker 1: look to get some more depth on the offensive line.
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  Speaker 1: And some of these guys back, Kaylen, Grantson, Grant Calcata,
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  Speaker 1: all three tight ends are free agents. Dotson as a
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  Speaker 1: third receiver. They got to get a guy that can
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  Speaker 1: run at wide receiver. Dylan made no impact at all.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny with Petullo's offense, Mike and slash Siriani.
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  Speaker 2: They never really used the third receiver, no so, which
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  Speaker 2: is ridiculous for his mouth. Eleven personnel thats they play.
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  Speaker 2: They used they and we know because the top three
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  Speaker 2: guys gotta get the football. But the third receiver is
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  Speaker 2: basically a blocker or just a guy. They would rarely
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  Speaker 2: use they when they go eleven, they have to use somebody.
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  Speaker 2: But Fred Johnson, you never want to say, like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: it's absolutely manager. They resigned him, but he did a
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  Speaker 2: very good job. Mike. He's a quality backup, would play
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  Speaker 2: right and left tackle, not just left, not just right.
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  Speaker 2: That that that uh that that was actually a good
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  Speaker 2: re acquisition by Howie. But you know Howie, unfortunately Mike,
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  Speaker 2: he did not have a great offseason a free agency.
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  Speaker 2: They were mostly misses, to be honest. That's why he
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  Speaker 2: made it a slow of trades. And you know, look
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  Speaker 2: that the big the what's interesting about their defensive line
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  Speaker 2: is all not that it's gonna happen, but you can
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  Speaker 2: make a case for their front three of Joe Mo's
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  Speaker 2: up for extension harder and and I was Jordan Davis. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're all going to get done. Some
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  Speaker 2: of them will get done, and then you got the
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  Speaker 2: Jayleen Field. Now the Jalen Phillips contracts up. My feeling
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  Speaker 2: has been that they'll try to resign him. It won't
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  Speaker 2: be easy. It's hard to figure out what his contract
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  Speaker 2: would look like. Mike, because of his injury history, he
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  Speaker 2: didn't have his pressure rate was really good, but it's
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  Speaker 2: he didn't have a lot of sacks, So we'll see
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  Speaker 2: how that goes down. But they'd have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: work to do with their roster. Mike. There's their past
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  Speaker 2: rush completely. We didn't even talk about the Niner game.
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  Speaker 2: Their their pass rush was really disappointing against the Niners
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  Speaker 2: state the least.
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  Speaker 1: All right, you just mentioned Jayle Phillis. Let's quickly run
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  Speaker 1: through the defensive free agents. Phillips, bk Obo, O Jeli,
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  Speaker 1: all those guys were brought in here. Graham will probably retire.
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  Speaker 1: I would imagine uh and Ojalai not big impacts to
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  Speaker 1: guys who were veterans last year that they just kind
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  Speaker 1: of took flyers on. The big one is Nakobe Dean
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  Speaker 1: and then a Dori Jackson and Reblanket Ship. Those guys
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  Speaker 1: all were starters. Jackson obviously had an up and down year.
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  Speaker 1: But Dean and Blanketship, those are some big names.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and blanket Ship, Mike, he's not sign extension. What
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  Speaker 2: we have to watch is when we get to the offseason,
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  Speaker 2: right where do they line up Cooper dejen Is he
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  Speaker 2: going to be a nickel? If if Vick Fandrio thinks
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  Speaker 2: you should still play nickel, then they got to make
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  Speaker 2: Blankenship or priority. If Vic thinks he's a safety long term,
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  Speaker 2: there's a realistic chance blanket Ship, despite his leadership and
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  Speaker 2: he's kind of like the like the leader of their
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  Speaker 2: secondary in terms of alignment and communication, they can let
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  Speaker 2: him walk. Just a lot of it us to do
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  Speaker 2: with Kop. I mean, I know most people are thinking
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  Speaker 2: that way, but we've we've known this for a while.
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  Speaker 2: That's part of why Blanketship has not signed an accession.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, Blanketship also change agencies right before the
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  Speaker 2: season started because he had not got an extension. So
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  Speaker 2: that's one Mike to watch. Jalen Phillips Obviously, Joey Jackson's
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  Speaker 2: not a priority. They need to draft his replacement. Yep,
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  Speaker 2: he got he got, he got lit up a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: uh in the in this Niner game. You know, we
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  Speaker 2: should let people know that he actually did a good
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  Speaker 2: job for a while, but he got beat a bit
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  Speaker 2: a bit, and that's a problem.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Dean's gonna be interesting because obviously when he came back,
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  Speaker 1: Johack Campbell basically was phased out of the defense. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So lastly, Nakobe Dean, this one's difficult. But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't. They didn't trade off for their first round
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  Speaker 2: pick to sit. It doesn't happen. What happened here was
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  Speaker 2: what happened in season was Nikobe came back. They knew
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  Speaker 2: he looked great in rehabit, they didn't know until he
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  Speaker 2: got on the field. They evaluated over three games, Dean
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  Speaker 2: was clearly better from their from their practice tape and
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  Speaker 2: game tape, and they made the right decision. It was
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  Speaker 2: the right decision to bench Campbell for the most part.
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  Speaker 2: But you can't do it for two years. It just
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  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not saying he won't be back, Dean.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be tough to make it work because Eagles
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  Speaker 2: have so much leverage here because they just hold Campbell
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  Speaker 2: over his head. Yeah, and by the way, Nikobe also
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  Speaker 2: change agent.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we'll keep an eye on that one because the
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  Speaker 1: defense with Dean Blanketship. Those guys were pretty key players
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  Speaker 1: for this team in the second half. Jalen Philip they
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  Speaker 1: traded for and Bradon Man, you got to bring him back.
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  Speaker 1: That guy was crushing balls. He was a believable all right,
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  Speaker 1: football four more on Friday with Adam the new offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see what the candidates look like later on in
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  Speaker 1: the week, and then Nick still needs to talk this
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  Speaker 1: week as how he does as well. We'll have that
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  Speaker 1: for you here on Football for thanks man, all right,
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  Speaker 1: Adam Caplin