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ELIJAH VUE, 3, MISSING After 'MOMMY' Sends Tot to TORTURE CAMP WITH CONVICT LOVER · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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  Speaker 2: A beautiful little boy just three years old is missing.
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  Speaker 2: Have you seen a photo a three year old Elijah View?
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  Speaker 2: Because I can't get that photo, that little face looking
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  Speaker 2: at me out of my head somewhere out there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking at him right now.
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  Speaker 2: This little boy is waiting for us to find him.
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  Speaker 3: Is he dead?
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  Speaker 2: Is he alive? Is he alone? Where is Elijah?
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  Speaker 4: View?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 2: This is what I know so far, this little missing
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  Speaker 2: Wisconsin boy, Elijah. His mom says he was a quote
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  Speaker 2: disciplinary problem. Well, I think she's the disciplinary. This little
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  Speaker 2: boy was sent away to a quote boot camp to
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  Speaker 2: quote teach him to be a man, where he would
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  Speaker 2: have to stand in the corner for hours on end
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  Speaker 2: without being allowed to sit down and repeat over and over.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, mommy, I'm sorry, mommy. I'm sorry, mommy, I'm sorry, mommy.
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  Speaker 2: If I could get my hands around this woman's neck,
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  Speaker 2: I would definitely be charged with murder.
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  Speaker 3: One. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories
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  Speaker 2: and on Serious XEM one eleven?
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  Speaker 3: Where is he?
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  Speaker 2: Mommy was known to send him away just to get away.
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  Speaker 3: From her own son. First of all, I.
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  Speaker 2: Want you to hear what we know right now from
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  Speaker 2: the police chief.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, this child.
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  Speaker 5: Three years old and was reported missing a cold winter
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  Speaker 5: temperature day with only a blanket and possibly light clothing,
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  Speaker 5: and we knew at that time possibly three to four hours.
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  Speaker 5: I define that as endangered. I immediately reached out, with
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  Speaker 5: the assistance of my staff, to the Division of Criminal Investigation.
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  Speaker 6: This is not about me. This has always been about.
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  Speaker 5: Bringing Elijah home, and quickly they led that investigation into
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  Speaker 5: his warebouts with the support of our FBI. We also
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  Speaker 5: utilized almost any boat.
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  Speaker 6: UTV, drone, canaheine.
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  Speaker 5: And even National Guard helicopters to search for Elijah.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Elijah wasn't with me an all star panel to
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  Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now. But first
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  Speaker 2: to Ayisha Morales joining us WBAYTV two out of Green Bay,
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  Speaker 2: you should thank you for being with us. I want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about, first of all, when did he go
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  Speaker 2: missing go missing?
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  Speaker 3: And when was he reported missing?
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  Speaker 2: What do we know, Aisha kise those two moments in
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  Speaker 2: time could be very very different.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, So initially when we got these reports, we were
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  Speaker 7: learning that it was February twentieth, so a week ago. Yesterday,
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  Speaker 7: February twentieth. From what we know now with the criminal complaints,
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  Speaker 7: there is a discrepancy, and we reported on that here
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  Speaker 7: in Green Bay and talking about how Vang initially told
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  Speaker 7: police that he went missing around eleven am on February twentieth,
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  Speaker 7: and then the story did change a little bit, and
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  Speaker 7: now we know that he actually went missing around eight am.
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  Speaker 7: And as you know, any minute.
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  Speaker 3: A child is gone, it matters.
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  Speaker 7: And so there was that first discrepancy with regards to
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  Speaker 7: the time that he disappeared, or at least the time
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  Speaker 7: that he was reported missing by Van himself.
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  Speaker 2: Hold On, so one report he was missing, he was
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  Speaker 2: gone at eight am on Feb twenty.
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  Speaker 3: What was the other time? I didn't get that. When
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  Speaker 3: was that?
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  Speaker 7: Eleven am?
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  Speaker 3: Was the initial report?
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  Speaker 2: Feb twenty is a Tuesday. I'm trying to figure out.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a big discrepancy between eleven am and eight am.
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  Speaker 2: And a lot of people may think, oh, that's just
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  Speaker 2: four hours. Let me tell you something. Somebody driving sixty
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  Speaker 2: miles an hour times four, that's two hundred and forty
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  Speaker 2: miles before he's reported missing. And I've got another problem
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  Speaker 2: with that. Let me go out to Thomas E. Fisher
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  Speaker 2: joining us. Former Milwaukee PD police detective now owner of
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  Speaker 2: Thomas Fisher Investigations dot com. Thomas, thank you for being
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  Speaker 2: with us. I have a problem with that because I
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  Speaker 2: can tell you right now what time my children wake
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  Speaker 2: up in the morning. My daughter gets up at six
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  Speaker 2: five am, my son gets up at seven five am.
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  Speaker 3: And I know they're up because I go and check
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  Speaker 3: on them.
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  Speaker 2: So how can you, at the best, Thomas Fisher, how
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  Speaker 2: can you not know where your child is for four
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  Speaker 2: hours between eight three hours between eight and eleven if
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  Speaker 2: they're in the home.
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  Speaker 3: Right there, I got a problem.
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  Speaker 8: That's a very good point. Basically, you have somebody that
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  Speaker 8: was not watching this child or transport of this child
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  Speaker 8: someplace else. Based on what we know and what the
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  Speaker 8: investigation has revealed to date, is that he was disciplined.
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  Speaker 8: Disciplined that should not be given to a three year old.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, Thomas Fisher, you are the former Milwaukee
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  Speaker 2: police do take I mean, you are the owner, let
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  Speaker 2: me say, a highly successful private investigative firm. But you
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  Speaker 2: left out another glaring possibility they're lying.
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  Speaker 3: You said either they weren't.
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  Speaker 2: Watching them or something about the time discrepancy or they're lying,
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  Speaker 2: And can I just point out to you, Daryl Cohen,
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  Speaker 2: jumping off what Fisher just said. You're the former prosecutor,
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  Speaker 2: now veteran defense attorney, Darryl Cohen.
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  Speaker 3: What do you do?
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  Speaker 2: How do you explain that to a jury, if there
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  Speaker 2: ever is one, How you weren't watching your child in
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  Speaker 2: your own home.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's not that hard in your own home
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  Speaker 3: to know where your.
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  Speaker 2: Child is for three hours coincidentally, on the very day
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  Speaker 2: he goes missing. A three year old shouldn't be out
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  Speaker 2: of your sight, Darryl Nancy.
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  Speaker 9: The age of three, he or she in this case,
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  Speaker 9: he doesn't have to be out of your sight for
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  Speaker 9: you to know where he is because you hear the
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  Speaker 9: noises that he's making, the absolute chaos that comes with
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  Speaker 9: a three year old. So you don't explain that to
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  Speaker 9: a jury. You have to keep your damn big mouth
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  Speaker 9: shut and not say anything. But it's really sad that
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  Speaker 9: he has disappeared, and we hope that he will be
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  Speaker 9: located and located, alive and located. Okay, there's no excuse
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  Speaker 9: for parenting the way she was trying to do it. It's
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  Speaker 9: non parenting. It's prosecutable nonparenting. You don't have to see
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  Speaker 9: your child. Just because you think your child's in the
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  Speaker 9: house doesn't mean he is in the house. You can
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  Speaker 9: be in the kitchen, he may or may not be
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  Speaker 9: in his bedroom. You don't have to look at him
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  Speaker 9: all of the time, you don't have to hear him
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  Speaker 9: all of the time. You don't have to be with
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  Speaker 9: him all the time, and suddenly when you go look
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  Speaker 9: for him, he's not there. That's reasonable, that's explainable. It's
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  Speaker 9: something that you have to deal with.
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  Speaker 3: Dearyl Cabin. Where exactly did you go to a wat?
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  Speaker 6: I think the.
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  Speaker 9: Same place you did that, and that's probably in Macon, Georgia, Sir.
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  Speaker 2: And NYU because obviously you didn't get the class on
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  Speaker 2: BS technical legal term.
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  Speaker 3: Good luck telling that to you a jury. You don't
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  Speaker 3: have to.
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  Speaker 2: See your child to know that he's okay in you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's a miracle. I've met your daughters, beautiful, It's a
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  Speaker 2: miracle they grew up safe and sound and apparently sane
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  Speaker 2: when daddy didn't know where they were half the time.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get back on this case. I'm wandering for a field.
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  Speaker 2: I want to hear more of what the police have
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  Speaker 2: to say about their search efforts, and think about it.
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  Speaker 2: A three year old little boy, Aisha Morales, w Bay
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  Speaker 2: and Thomas Fisher, joining eat side of Milwaukee. What were
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  Speaker 2: the temperatures around this time feb twenty Tuesday morning, eight
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  Speaker 2: a m. Or eleven, depending on what the parents feel
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  Speaker 2: like saying at that moment.
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  Speaker 3: But what was the temp? How cold is it there?
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  Speaker 7: It was a mild day actually in comparison to other
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  Speaker 7: February days. We do remember that, But we also know
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  Speaker 7: that he is forty five pounds or so. So anything
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  Speaker 7: below fifty degrees forty degrees, even though it's mild for
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  Speaker 7: Wisconsin standards, it was still pretty chilly. You would need
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  Speaker 7: a jacket or at least a co and he didn't,
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  Speaker 7: from what I understand, didn't have that.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, wait a minute. You call thirty degrees mild. We
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  Speaker 3: do here in Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I understand that where I'm from, that is like
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  Speaker 2: you're in the Antarctic at thirty degrees. Okay, So for me,
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  Speaker 2: thirty degrees is cold, and I'm wondering how that would
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  Speaker 2: have affected this child hypothermia wise. But I'm opening up
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  Speaker 2: a whole other can of worms. Let's get back to
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  Speaker 2: the search. Listen again to police Chief, be in my heart.
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  Speaker 5: Those leads, those investigations. Everything we've taken as tips have
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  Speaker 5: led to searching our neighborhoods, searching all our waterways, are
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  Speaker 5: foot canvases both urban and rural, throughout Manage, to our
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  Speaker 5: county and even beyond. We've searched Wisconsin lands and quarries.
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  Speaker 5: And we've even had additional leads in Wisconsin. Does in
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  Speaker 5: addition to all those search efforts, I almost other investigations
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  Speaker 5: taking place. I can confirm Elijah's mother, Katrina Bauer, is
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  Speaker 5: in jail on charges of child negleck and obstructing. Katrina's boyfriend,
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  Speaker 5: Jesse Bang is in jail on charges of child negleck.
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  Speaker 5: And I do know that Elijah's father has also been
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  Speaker 5: incarcerated at Oshkosh Correctional Institute in unrelated matters since twenty
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  Speaker 5: twenty three.
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  Speaker 2: Did this kid ever have a chance? That's what I'm
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure out.
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  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Elijah view three years old. I've seen Feb. Twenty after
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  Speaker 2: being sent to a quote boot camp to be disciplined
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  Speaker 2: by his mom's boyfriend. Last seen wearing gray pants, dark
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  Speaker 2: colored long sleeved shirt, red and green dinosaur.
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  Speaker 3: Slip on shoes.
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  Speaker 2: May have his red and white plaid blanket. That's a
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  Speaker 2: blanket he's had he was a little baby. I've seen
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  Speaker 2: him in photos holding the blanket up to his face.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me is Mike Hatsel, President founder Peace River Canine
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  Speaker 2: Search and Rescue. Do you remember when Kelly Anthony was found?
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  Speaker 2: She was murdered by her mother, tot mom Casey Anthony.
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  Speaker 2: She was wrapped in her favorite I believe it was
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  Speaker 2: a Disney princess, could have been a Winni the Pooh blanket.
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  Speaker 3: She had that with her.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what, that's a sign of Mike Hatzel
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  Speaker 2: that someone connected to the child killed in Berry disposed
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  Speaker 2: of the child because the child has a personal.
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  Speaker 3: Belonging with the child when it.
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  Speaker 2: Is discarded or disposed. Mike hadseel. What should the search
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  Speaker 2: be encompassing? This is cold, it's in two rivers, Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: There's bodies of water. You hear that they're out boots
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  Speaker 2: on the ground. They've been walking the neighborhoods. They've searched
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  Speaker 2: the water waste. I don't know to what extent have
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  Speaker 2: they used sonar?
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  Speaker 3: Have they used divers?
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  Speaker 2: To me, waterways or a forest would be an obvious
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  Speaker 2: choice to dispose of a child. I'm still praying he's alive.
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  Speaker 2: Mike hadsell where is he where?
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  Speaker 10: You have two options on this, so we have to
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  Speaker 10: want to assume that he's alive and he ran away.
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  Speaker 6: So if he did that, A round of that age
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  Speaker 6: don't wander far from home.
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  Speaker 10: They just want to get out of site because they
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  Speaker 10: want to scare the parent and you know, shake things up,
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  Speaker 10: and so usually we find that within a half a
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  Speaker 10: mile of the house, usually near a structure, another apartment
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  Speaker 10: building or sheds, things like that. That's usually where we
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  Speaker 10: locate him because you're going to try to stay warm.
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  Speaker 10: On the other side, if something infarious happened and the
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  Speaker 10: child was murdered or died for some reason, they decided
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  Speaker 10: to dispose of the remains, he's going to be oh gosh,
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  Speaker 10: where are you going to start.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, there's so much wooded area around there.
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  Speaker 10: There's a lot of rivers. The easiest disposal, of course,
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  Speaker 10: would be in the rivers. One of the disturbing facts
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  Speaker 10: that came up was the shoe that was found in
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  Speaker 10: one of the dumpsters that they say may belong to
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  Speaker 10: the child, which I do believe led to the landfill
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  Speaker 10: search that they were working on. If that's happened, then
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  Speaker 10: they're going to have to move quickly because the remains
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  Speaker 10: won't last long in that landfill.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Mike has so everything you said is perfectly correct, but.
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  Speaker 3: Horrible.
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  Speaker 2: Aisha Morales W BAYTV two, please tell me about the
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  Speaker 2: landfill search.
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  Speaker 7: Sure, so, as soon as they were told that the shoe,
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  Speaker 7: like you said, the shoe was there was found, they
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  Speaker 7: initiated that landfill search. I remember that day and our
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  Speaker 7: partner station in Milwaukee was able to get aerial shots
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  Speaker 7: of that.
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  Speaker 4: They had love.
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  Speaker 6: They had people.
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  Speaker 7: Searching, investigators there. It didn't seem to amount to much.
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  Speaker 7: We haven't actually spoken about the landfill search since that day.
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  Speaker 7: Last week. It's been nothing but people the community searching.
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  Speaker 7: But as far as the landfill, we have not heard
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  Speaker 7: anything about what they possibly found if they continued to search.
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  Speaker 7: But even after a day, it was kind of quiet
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  Speaker 7: at the landfill.
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  Speaker 3: To you, Aisha Morale U w b A Y TV too.
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  Speaker 2: Where is that landfill as it relates to where the
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  Speaker 2: boyfriend was keeping Elijah.
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  Speaker 7: It shouldn't be too far away. I think it's within
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  Speaker 7: the same hour or so for the county. But that's
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  Speaker 7: just it. There could be multiple landfills too. I know
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  Speaker 7: that some people were mentioning that trash Day, you know.
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  Speaker 6: So that was uncertain.
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  Speaker 7: The thing is is that there is a lot of
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  Speaker 7: mition that leads to some of these searches and landfill.
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  Speaker 7: The landfill included in that. So I was seeing in
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  Speaker 7: a group on Facebook that a lot of people were
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  Speaker 7: chatting about the shoe. We're chatting about trash Day, and
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  Speaker 7: a lot of those tips led to the landfill search.
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  Speaker 7: But it's not too far from that area.
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  Speaker 2: Why in the world what a woman picked this guy
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  Speaker 2: with mugshots dating back for years to quote discipline her child,
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  Speaker 2: Aisha Morales.
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  Speaker 3: What's on his rap sheet?
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  Speaker 7: There's a lot of different charges including child abuse for sure,
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  Speaker 7: fleeing an officer. You guys have in possession of cocaine,
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  Speaker 7: drug bail jumping, lots of disorderly conduct type of charges,
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  Speaker 7: but child abuse is on there. So that was one
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  Speaker 7: of the first things that we noticed as well.
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  Speaker 2: Child abuse, fleeing officer, manufacturing, deliver, possession cocaine that's cocaine
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  Speaker 2: with intent to distribute. That's a major felony, resisting an officer,
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  Speaker 2: possession cocaine, resisting an officer, bail jumping DC, and DUI.
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  Speaker 2: And that's who is going to take care of your child?
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  Speaker 2: Joining me right now, Special guests from childhelp dot org.
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  Speaker 2: If you haven't seen it or heard of it, go
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  Speaker 2: online child Help one word dot org. Megan Crime is
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  Speaker 2: joining US Director Communications, Megan. Do you know how many
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  Speaker 2: millions of people would have paid sixty seventy eighty one
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  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars to buy adopt a little boy like
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  Speaker 2: Elijah Vu, But yet these two keep him? And did
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  Speaker 2: you see what they did to quote, discipline him, make
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  Speaker 2: him stand for hours on end, saying I'm sorry, Mommy,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Mommy, I'm sorry, Mummy, I'm sorry, mummy. Forced
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  Speaker 2: to take coal showers, stand for hours on end, stay
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  Speaker 2: in a dirty dipe, ban from playing with the only
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  Speaker 2: toy he had at Vang's house, a tool kit because
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  Speaker 2: he was on quote extended time out mag and crying.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand with all of these mugshots, all of
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  Speaker 2: these offenses, somehow this little angel was born and then
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  Speaker 2: he goes missing.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it's heartbreaking, and you wonder we have seen those
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  Speaker 4: beautiful photos of Elijah. You know, it didn't seem like
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  Speaker 4: he was always abused, right, like he was in that
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  Speaker 4: little car, he had his second birthday cake.
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  Speaker 3: He was well dressed. So it just wonders what happened.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry, I rarely disagree with you, Megan Crime,
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  Speaker 2: but I do now remember the Turpin family in the
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  Speaker 2: house of Hers, where the mother and father would dress
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  Speaker 2: them up and matching. There were like eight or nine
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  Speaker 2: of them. There were a lot of children, and they
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  Speaker 2: would be dressed up and matching outfits, and I mean
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  Speaker 2: the whole shebang. Matching t shirts, matching bows, matching dresses.
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  Speaker 2: All these photos of them at Disney at various functions.
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  Speaker 2: But yet when they went home, they were shackled to
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  Speaker 2: the bed, starved, tortured with putting food in front of
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  Speaker 2: them but not letting them eat. There were scratch marks
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  Speaker 2: on the inside of a closet bedroom door where they
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  Speaker 2: wanted in a closet trying to get out, put in
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  Speaker 2: a dark closet. Tell you they had thirteen children, called
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  Speaker 2: the House of Horrizon.
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  Speaker 3: They looked great on the outside.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, putting on a show for everyone else to make
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  Speaker 4: people think that you're a wonderful parent and parenting Henry
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  Speaker 4: is hard and we have there's so many resources out there,
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  Speaker 4: and if somebody, if you see something, if you know
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  Speaker 4: if I just find it also hard to believe that
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  Speaker 4: nobody thought anything was going on with Elijah when he's
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  Speaker 4: getting shipped off to his mom's boyfriends for discipline at
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  Speaker 4: three years.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if I wonder if anybody else even knew
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  Speaker 2: about it. Guys, we're to the point now where police
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  Speaker 2: are begging the public for help. Listen a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more from Chief Minor.
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  Speaker 3: Listen.
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  Speaker 5: This child was three years old and was reported missing
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  Speaker 5: a cold winter temperature day with only a blanket and
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  Speaker 5: possibly light clothing, and we knew at that time possibly
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  Speaker 5: three to four hours. I just find that as in dager.
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  Speaker 2: You darn right it's in danger. But now I want
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  Speaker 2: you to hear about what led up to the nine
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  Speaker 2: one one missing call. Take usten to Nicole parton Crime Online.
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  Speaker 11: February twenty ten, fifty nine am. Jesse Vain calls nine
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  Speaker 11: to one one to report the three year old boy
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  Speaker 11: he cares for is missing. Vain says he fell asleep
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  Speaker 11: caring for Elijah Vu at eight am and when he
• 20:21
  Speaker 11: woke up at just before eleven am, Elijah was gone.
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  Speaker 11: He is last seen wearing gray sweatpants, a long sleeved
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  Speaker 11: dark colored shirt, and red and green dinosaur slip on shoes.
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  Speaker 2: Thomas E. Fisher joining me. Former Milwaukee p D now
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  Speaker 2: runs his own PI.
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  Speaker 3: Tom.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever noticed how many children just disappear while
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: mommy or daddy's sleeping.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, that doesn't happen too often. No, I've seen cases
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: like that over the years, but it's usually something else
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  Speaker 8: that occurred.
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  Speaker 3: A lie. Yes, why this guy?
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  Speaker 2: Out of all the men in the universe, she picks
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  Speaker 2: this one to discipline her child?
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  Speaker 3: Okay? That said?
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Police asking for help, take a listen to Rachel Bonilla
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  Speaker 2: crime online.
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  Speaker 12: The search continues for Elijah VU, with many in the
• 21:17
  Speaker 12: public asking how a three year old can leave an
• 21:19
  Speaker 12: apartment and go missing on his own. The local police
• 21:22
  Speaker 12: ask for help at the state and federal level, and
• 21:25
  Speaker 12: soon the FBI are on hand to help. Local and
• 21:28
  Speaker 12: regional groups use boats to search rivers and streams, while
• 21:31
  Speaker 12: air searchers are conducted with drones. Canine units are brought
• 21:35
  Speaker 12: in for searches on land. But three year old Elijah
• 21:37
  Speaker 12: is still missing.
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  Speaker 3: And family is pleading for help. Listen on, behalf.
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  Speaker 8: Of my family.
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  Speaker 13: We stay in before you to date with having heart's
• 21:48
  Speaker 13: burden fund an unmangable situation. The pain is indescribable, a torment,
• 21:55
  Speaker 13: null family or childiship ever base we cannot express. That's
• 22:00
  Speaker 13: the first nor the desperation that comes from us.
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  Speaker 9: Because each moment.
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  Speaker 13: Passes we he moves up Elias to safety. To anyone
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  Speaker 13: who may have information about Elijah's Wordhols, we plead.
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  Speaker 9: With you to please come forward.
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  Speaker 13: Your courage, your compassion, your willingness to speak of may
• 22:29
  Speaker 13: hold a key to Elijah's safe return.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: You're hearing Elijah's aunt. It's certainly not his mother or
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: boyfriend asking for help. Wonder why, Wonder why they aren't
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: asking for him to be found. That's a whole other
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: can of worms. But now take a listen to what
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: actually happened to Elijah view while he was at his
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: boot camp with the convicted felon. Listen to Dave Matt
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Crime Online.
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  Speaker 14: Elijah's mother is thirty one year old Katrina Bauer, but
• 22:59
  Speaker 14: she wasn't watching her son at the time he went missing.
• 23:02
  Speaker 14: Bauer's boyfriend, thirty nine year old Jesse Bang has been
• 23:05
  Speaker 14: taking care of the boy. Bauer says she's letting Jesse
• 23:08
  Speaker 14: Bang discipline Elijah Vu, helping to teach him to be
• 23:11
  Speaker 14: a man. The three year old is not potty trained
• 23:15
  Speaker 14: and still takes a bottle, but Bang puts him in
• 23:17
  Speaker 14: time out when he disobeys an order. Jesse Bang explains
• 23:21
  Speaker 14: time out as a time where the three year old
• 23:23
  Speaker 14: must stand in one place and repeat I'm sorry, mommy,
• 23:27
  Speaker 14: or pray for two or three hours at a time.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Time stories with me. It's he grace too.
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  Speaker 2: Darryl Cohen, former felony prosecutor now defense attorney, joining us
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Darryl question to you, do
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: you think just go with me on this. What's the
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: life likelihood that these two, the mommy and her convicted
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: fella boyfriend, were torturing the boy in his boot camp
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: disciplinary eight days and then somebody else came in and
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: abducted him. Do you really think statistically that's even possible?
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  Speaker 9: No, Nancy, it's not. But on the other hand, what
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: are we talking about torture? Is it extreme discipline? Is
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: this really torture? Do you think his mom or his
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: quote mom's boyfriend would torture him. They were wrong in
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: what they did, but that's not torture. And could he
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: have wandered out on his own, of course he could.
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: It happens. Unfortunately all of the time, close your eyes,
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: turn your head, and your child is gone. That can happen. Now,
• 24:53
  Speaker 9: why she didn't report it earlier? Who knows. Maybe she
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: was hoping they could find him, maybe thinking a self
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: search would make him available. But that doesn't make it torture.
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: And that doesn't mean that she knew that the boyfriend
• 25:08
  Speaker 9: had been arrested so many times. And if you notice,
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: his last major arrests other than DUI was almost twenty
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: years ago. So I think you're making this worse than
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: it is for these two people. As the evidence unfolds,
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: will see but I can't prejudge them. I don't see
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: her as a good mother, but I don't he here
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: as a.
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  Speaker 3: Torture either, Darryl.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I don't give a flying fig about these two people.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I don't care what happens to them. You're right about that.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I want to find this boy and
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: it's their fault. And how you with a straight face, Look,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I know you're a defense attorney. But that said with
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: a straight face, say it's not torture to force a
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: child to stand in the corner for hours and hours
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: repeating Bible verses. And I'm sorry, mommy, you don't think
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: that's torture because I jump in.
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: How do you know that's the truth? How do you
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: know that what you hear is they really made him
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: do that? Who told you this? Where do we gather
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: this evidence? Let's not prejudge these.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: People, you know what.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Let's ask the reporter, Aisha Morales, where's the where's that
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: knowledge coming from?
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Aisha.
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: It's hard because we have a whole timeline dating back
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: as far as November so Thanksgiving, at the end of
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: the year of twenty twenty three. That's when Bauer told
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: her boyfriend about the lore that far. And then you're
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: talking about the days that led up to Elijah's disappearance
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: or what we're told is this disappearance. What was reported
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: February fourteenth is when Bauer eventually told investigators she was
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: in two rivers. That's where Elijah went missing for a
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: period of time. And then the thing is that we
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: haven't really mentioned a whole lot is that she would
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: go back and forth between two rivers checking in on Elijah,
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: who was getting this discipline according to this criminal complaint
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: from her boyfriend, and then she'd go back to Wisconsin
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: Dell's which Nancy, it's about three hours away, so she
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: was not very close to her son at the time.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: There was the February fourteenth.
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: February six, nineteen. Bang says he was punishinghing Elijah by
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: making him stand near him while.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: He watched a movie before Darren Cohen. His last bust
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: was in twenty twenty three. That was last year. It
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: wasn't that long ago. And as far as d ui,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: but I don't care if you sold cocaine yesterday or
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: ten years ago. You're not babysitting for my children. Bam, there,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: there you go. And as far as where are we
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: getting the information right now, the mom and the boyfriend
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: are sitting behind bars on other charges related to mistreating
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: this child. The mother, thirty one year old Katrina Bauer,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: arrested two days after Elijah goes missing, charge with felony,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: child neglect and obstructing police. Currently unemployed. Surprise Jesse Vang
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: the lover he's behind bars right now too, and he
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: is charged with mistreating the child. As well. So what
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: do you mean where am I getting my information? I'm
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: getting my information for what the cops put and an
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: arrest warrant. So are you doing the whole oj Simpson defense.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: The cops are lying, The cops planted the evidence. It's
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: a big conspiracy.
• 28:41
  Speaker 9: The cops made the arrest. The police made the arrest.
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: That doesn't mean the information they made the arrest on
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: is accurate. Where did it come from?
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Guys?
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: We are trying to help find Elijah View, a three
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: year old little boy. The tip line is eight four
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: four to six seven and six six four eight And
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: speaking of what the parent? Oh yes, and there's a
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: sixteen thousand dollars reward. As a matter of fact, let's
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: take a listen to Chief being Minor describing that reward.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: Today, the FBI has now provided an additional reward up
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: to fifteen thousand dollars for information leading to the location
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: in return of Elijah bud and or the arresting conviction
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: of any individual or individuals responsible or involved with his disappearance.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: So there you go.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I find that really disingenuous. Thomas Fisher, former MILWAUKPD now
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: private Eye to say they weren't torturing this child? And
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: where do you get the information? And the police are
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: probably lying.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: A talented the police for lying.
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: You know, you get this type of information through taking
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: statements from the individuals involved. You're talking to other people
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: that have knowledge what's going on, or we have some
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: knowledge of what's going on. To sit out here and
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: see the police are lying and putting this in a
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: criminal complaint, you know that doesn't fly.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: The parents.
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: I just said, there are two terrible people and what
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: we need to do is let this criminal justice system
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: take care of them down the line. But right now
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: we need to find that child.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I want to go back to Mike Catshill joining us
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: from Peace River Canine Search and Rescue. Mike, I know
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: that there has been a as I issue described it
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: a landfill search that cooled off. But at this juncture,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: don't you think starting at the apartment complex and going
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: out with canines would be helpful.
• 30:45
  Speaker 10: It was in the first couple of weeks after the investment,
• 30:47
  Speaker 10: after the child I'm missing, you're want to use the
• 30:50
  Speaker 10: canines at that point. However, the weather doesn't play well
• 30:53
  Speaker 10: to canines when the temperature drops down below thirty two
• 30:56
  Speaker 10: degrees into those lower temperatures, the dogs become effective because
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: they're just not enough odoor available for the dogs to
• 31:04
  Speaker 10: work properly. So you have to wait for the good
• 31:07
  Speaker 10: weather date. What do you mean by that, Well, for
• 31:09
  Speaker 10: a kidaber dog, you have to have at least thirty
• 31:11
  Speaker 10: eight degrees to get the dogs work well.
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: Take your freezer at home.
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: You put the meat in the freezer, the meat freezes,
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: it doesn't smell anymore. The same problem with human remains
• 31:21
  Speaker 10: in the field. You've got to wait for it at
• 31:24
  Speaker 10: least get up over thirty eight degrees for the dogs
• 31:26
  Speaker 10: to be able to work effectively. They may bump into something.
• 31:29
  Speaker 10: If you're doing a tight grid, you might get lucky.
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: But even in the water work, if the water's too cold,
• 31:35
  Speaker 10: it's going to be hard to get odor up for
• 31:37
  Speaker 10: the dogs to be effective.
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: So that's one thing they're using. Helicopters are using drones.
• 31:42
  Speaker 10: If they're using thermal camera cameras, which I'm assuming they
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: were thermal drones, the temperature between if the boys alive,
• 31:50
  Speaker 10: you're going to get a really good heat signature from that.
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: If the boys remains are out there, again, we.
• 31:56
  Speaker 10: Have to look at the latch rate when it was
• 31:58
  Speaker 10: warm versus when it was cold, can we still find remain?
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: So if it's you know, it has a lot to
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: do with the weather.
• 32:04
  Speaker 10: And unfortunately up there in Wisconsin they're having a wild
• 32:06
  Speaker 10: winter this year. It's sixty five degrees one day and
• 32:09
  Speaker 10: twelve degrees the next. So it's interesting to see how
• 32:13
  Speaker 10: well they would be able to find out landfill searches
• 32:16
  Speaker 10: as you brought them up. It may have cooled down
• 32:18
  Speaker 10: on that because landfill searches are a nightmare and they
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: take a lot of manpower and a lot of time
• 32:24
  Speaker 10: to do them effectively. You basically have to take all
• 32:27
  Speaker 10: the trash out from that day, You have to spread
• 32:29
  Speaker 10: it out in sections. You have to have about twenty
• 32:32
  Speaker 10: people to go through it all and along with the
• 32:34
  Speaker 10: cadaver dogs to try to look and find what you're
• 32:38
  Speaker 10: looking for. So it's a very expensive and labor intensive thing,
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: which is probably why I cooled off, because they don't
• 32:45
  Speaker 10: want to spend the money right now to do it
• 32:46
  Speaker 10: until they're really sure that they have nothing else to
• 32:48
  Speaker 10: look at.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: They grandmother of three year old Elijah vu View, has
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: just spoken out in the last twenty four hours, emotional crying,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: begging to help find Elijah View. This three year old
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: boy was reported missing Feb. Twenty by Jesse Vang, the
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: boyfriend of Elijah's mother, who told police she had sent
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: her son, her three year old, to stay with Vang
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: so he could teach the three year old boy quote
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: how to be a man that is in the criminal
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: complaint filed at the county level. Van then tells police
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: he was taking a nap and miraculously, coincidentally oddly wakes
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: up to find the baby is gone. Now both Vang
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: and View's mother, Katrina Bauer, have been in lock up
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: on charges of child neglect.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: The family is begging.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: A child missing, says Chief Ben Minart for any amount
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: of time is every parent's worst nightmare. Hundreds of resources
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: have been used in the search. Drones, helicopters, k nines
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: all used across the entire county and beyond Aisha Morales.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: When the chief says county and beyond, where else are
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: they looking?
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: They have been going now in multiple counties. It's not
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: just where he went missing. It is now even as
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: far as the Milwaukee area, even into central Wisconsin, which
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: is about three hours away, where Bauer herself was going
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: back and forth from.
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: So she was from what.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: It seems according to this complaints, she was not.
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: There that day. She was there the days before, but
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: not that day that he went missing. So, because she
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: was in Wisconsin Dells three hours three hours away and
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: they have resources elsewhere, they're just searching far beyond where
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: he went missing.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: In that I know this, uh.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: The county Sheriff, Dan Hartwig closed his press conference in
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: the final pleach to the public and was fighting back
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: tears as he thought of this missing three year old boy.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: There is now a sixteen thousand dollars reward in the
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: search for three year old Elijah Vue. Tip line eight
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: four four two sixty seven sixty six four eight repeat
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: eight four four two six seven sixty six four eight.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Please help us bring Elijah Vue home.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Goodbye friend,