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Episode 1 - John Chaney Jr. & Maria Chaney · The Chaney Pod

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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to The Chaney Pod,
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  SPEAKER_01: a podcast dedicated to exploring the life,
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  SPEAKER_01: the lessons, and the legacy of legendary basketball coach, John Chaney.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who was John Chaney?
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  SPEAKER_01: To different people,
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  SPEAKER_01: he was different things,
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  SPEAKER_01: a basketball genius,
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  SPEAKER_01: a teacher, a mentor, a symbol of Philadelphia toughness and heart.
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  SPEAKER_01: He could also be controversial,
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  SPEAKER_01: a lightning rod at times,
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  SPEAKER_01: but always uncompromising in his pursuit of excellence and principle.
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  SPEAKER_01: In this series,
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  SPEAKER_01: we'll bring you rich,
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  SPEAKER_01: compelling stories from the people whose lives intersected with his, family,
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  SPEAKER_01: friends,
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  SPEAKER_01: Players, coaches, administrators, journalists, and a few surprises along the way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our goal is to weave together these voices to create a living oral history
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  SPEAKER_01: of John Chaney,
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  SPEAKER_01: one that captures his complexity, his humor, his discipline, and his humanity.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ultimately,
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  SPEAKER_01: we're building toward an oral history biography in the spirit of "Loose Balls"
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  SPEAKER_01: and "Tall Tales by Terry Pluto.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you haven't read those books, go on Amazon.
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  SPEAKER_01: Go now.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll wait and order them.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're not really going to wait for you to order them, but you should.
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  SPEAKER_01: My name is Michael Einbinder-Schatz.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm the creator and host of the Life Lessons Collective Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm also a lifelong learner, a Temple alum, and a former technology business owner.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've spent a career helping people connect, grow, and tell their stories.
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  SPEAKER_01: And joining me is my partner and co-host,
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  SPEAKER_01: someone who knows the Temple basketball world inside and out.
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  SPEAKER_01: John DiCarlo,
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  SPEAKER_01: Managing Director of Student Media and the Claire Smith Center for Sports Media
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  SPEAKER_01: at Temple University's Klein College of Media and Communication.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's also an adjunct instructor in journalism and the longtime editor
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  SPEAKER_01: of alscoop.com,
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  SPEAKER_01: with nearly 30 years covering Temple basketball,
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  SPEAKER_01: And more than 400 podcast episodes to his name.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's the CV part.
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  SPEAKER_01: We got that out of the way.
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  SPEAKER_01: John, I'm never going to read that part again.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're thrilled to be recording here in the David and Rhonda Cohen.
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  SPEAKER_01: And while we'll have plenty of time in later episodes
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  SPEAKER_01: to acknowledge our amazing advisory board,
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  SPEAKER_01: whose guidance and support helped make The Chaney Pod a reality,
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  SPEAKER_01: We want to especially thank them all.
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  SPEAKER_01: And don't worry, we're going to name you all properly at the end of this episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, John,
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  SPEAKER_01: before we jump into today's conversation,
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  SPEAKER_01: I know you were adamant about who our first guest should be.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: It just only felt right that our first conversation begin with family,
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  SPEAKER_02: with the people who knew Coach best.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's why we're honored today to be joined by John Chaney Jr.
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  SPEAKER_01: and his wife, Maria Chaney, son and daughter-in-law to help us start the journey.
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  SPEAKER_01: And before we roll,
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  SPEAKER_01: I just want to say how grateful I am personally at this moment to be finally here.
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  SPEAKER_01: This project has been in the works for a long time,
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  SPEAKER_01: more than two years of ideas,
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  SPEAKER_01: planning,
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  SPEAKER_01: collaboration,
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  SPEAKER_01: and to be sitting here recording this first episode in this space
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  SPEAKER_01: with these guests feels incredibly special.
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  SPEAKER_01: And with that, John Chaney Jr., Maria Chaney, welcome to The Chaney Pod.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's so great to see you both.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's good to be here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, it's been a long time coming.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've had, we've talked a few times.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've broken bread a few times.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've shared ideas.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, John was the one who wanted John first.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, nah, let's not.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, all kidding you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was the best idea.
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  SPEAKER_01: Frankly, I thought it was the best idea John to come up with.
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  SPEAKER_01: I tend to joke a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know that about me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think we both thought that it would be good to talk with both of you.
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  SPEAKER_01: To start things off just getting the family perspective.
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  SPEAKER_01: Obviously,
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  SPEAKER_01: in the time that we have here today,
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  SPEAKER_01: we can't begin to encompass the life of your father.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a much bigger project than that, and we envision talking to you folks a number of times.
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  SPEAKER_01: But let's start off at the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_01: John, what's some of your earliest memories of your dad?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, he's an exceptional father and an exceptional coach.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know growing up, I used to always come home and he used to always tell me to follow my dreams.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he also told that to my sister and my brother as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I respect him for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of the times I've talked to him about life,
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  SPEAKER_00: perspectives, but he always encouraged me to play sports.
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  SPEAKER_00: One of the sports I played was football, basketball.
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  SPEAKER_00: He didn't like for me to play football because...
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  SPEAKER_00: He didn't want me to get hurt.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I played it anyway.
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  SPEAKER_00: I played for the Wimmore Bantams.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's up there in, where's that, Willow Grove area.
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  SPEAKER_00: And played 90-pounders and won 15-pounders.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he used to come to my games, and I loved that when he was there to see me play.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know one game I played against King of Prussia, and I had four.
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  SPEAKER_00: Played cornerback.
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  SPEAKER_00: I had four interceptions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I had a tremendous game.
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  SPEAKER_00: My name was in the papers and all that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that was the first time my name's ever been in the papers before.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was proud of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was real.
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  SPEAKER_00: It had to be about maybe.
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  SPEAKER_00: 10 or 12, I think.
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  SPEAKER_01: That must have been the thrill.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it must have also been the thrill, like you were saying, seeing your dad there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just knowing that you were doing that in front of him.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was at mostly all my games, and I was surprised.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know he had a busy schedule coaching,
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  SPEAKER_00: but he was there for most of my games, and I respected that.
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  SPEAKER_00: My mom didn't show up because she was scared.
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  SPEAKER_00: My dad was there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dad didn't want you to play because he didn't want you to get hurt, but he still came.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your mom was afraid you would get hurt and she didn't want to see it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Don't quite understand that,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I was happy to play that sport.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then I played basketball.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was my first love.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because it was his first 11.
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  SPEAKER_00: He used to push me to play basketball and I played in the Sonny O League and played
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  SPEAKER_00: in high school and also in college.
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  SPEAKER_00: I went to Frankfort High School, played for Vince Miller.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: You probably heard of him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I talked to him.
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  SPEAKER_01: I did a newsletter back in the early 90s, and he, like, 90,
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  SPEAKER_01: 91, I think he was still, I think Coach Miller was still at Frankfurt at that time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Frankfurt at the time, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and the guys that played with Jeffrey Clark and Daryl Miller and Claude Gross,
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  SPEAKER_00: Jr., he was on the team, also...
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  SPEAKER_00: A guy named Melvin Kilgore, part of the Kilgore family.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we had a pretty good team.
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  SPEAKER_00: We played against guys like Gene Banks and Lewis Lloyd back in 1975 and 76 era.
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  SPEAKER_01: You played, I was doing a little research.
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  SPEAKER_01: Point guard.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to act like I had this off the tip of my tongue because I didn't.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you played in the playoffs against Overbrook, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, in Overbrook, correct.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think I read it was a pretty close game.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we had a better record.
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  SPEAKER_00: We played at our place in the playoffs because of our record.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we lost to them, I think, by four.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and those would have been the years where Lewis Lloyd and Gene Banks were like
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  SPEAKER_01: the two dominant
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  SPEAKER_00: players in the league.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, cool stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: Was your father as hard on you as a point guard as he was his point guard at the Temple?
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, he was hard.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was hard on me as a point guard.
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  SPEAKER_00: What I learned from him was defense.
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  SPEAKER_00: I played very good defense.
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  SPEAKER_00: I used to steal the ball a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I wouldn't turn the ball over.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I protected the ball very well.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I did that all through when I was playing in the Sunny Hill League in high school.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he admired me for that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Was that something that he stressed a lot, the way we saw at Temple and...
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: That turnovers were the big sin.
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  SPEAKER_00: Was a demon, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: He didn't like turnovers.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think one or two years he led the country in less turnovers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he makes sure that turnovers like...
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  SPEAKER_00: It was like a basket to him, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he wanted to make sure if we don't turn the ball over, that could be a basket.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he was pretty adamant about turnovers.
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  SPEAKER_02: He talked to us so much as reporters about what he valued, what he cherished.
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  SPEAKER_02: You could ask him a question
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  SPEAKER_02: about a game detail,
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  SPEAKER_02: and as you know, it would turn into like a life lesson.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: What sort of values did he talk to you about?
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  SPEAKER_02: How did he and your mother raise you?
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  SPEAKER_02: What did they talk to you about?
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  SPEAKER_02: Were they strict parents?
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  SPEAKER_02: What was that part of life like for you?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, my mother wasn't so strict, but my dad was pretty strict.
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  SPEAKER_00: My dad, one time I had
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  SPEAKER_00: a party I had to go to.
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  SPEAKER_00: Up the street, right up the street from my house.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was my, it was a friend of mine that had to party.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he said he wouldn't let me go.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he was the one out with my mother for dinner and my grandmother was watching us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And my grandmother wouldn't let me, wouldn't let me go at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, uh, so, uh,
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  SPEAKER_00: that happened to be, uh,
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  SPEAKER_00: It was actually a girlfriend of mine,
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  SPEAKER_00: and she broke up with me, because I didn't come to her party.
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  SPEAKER_02: I guess that's one of the reasons why Maria is sitting here with us now.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was fake, because they're all meant to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was one learning thing that I had to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: My dad wouldn't let me go to parties, certain parties, especially if he wasn't home.
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  SPEAKER_00: Another thing is that he always made me make sure I came home,
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  SPEAKER_00: try to make sure I'm home on 8 o'clock, 8.30.
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  SPEAKER_00: I used to go to this place to play basketball, Sedgwick Playground on Sedgwick in Germantown.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as long as I was home by 8, 8.30,
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  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't be in trouble, so I always make sure I came home on time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Was there a reason for that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Was there instances where maybe you pushed the limit a little bit and
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  SPEAKER_01: then you learned, all right, maybe I better not mess around?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: he would scold me a little bit,
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  SPEAKER_00: but he would also tell me that anything late at night leads to trouble.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you're out late at night or whatever, it's trouble out there.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you make sure I was home at a decent time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And also, I was pretty good in school.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he didn't get on me as much as far as... Because I was very good in math and science.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was very good.
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  SPEAKER_00: When we first moved around,
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  SPEAKER_00: moved in Mount Airy,
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  SPEAKER_00: he had me going to Pastoria School Which was,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that was like in Germantown area.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then he moved me from Pastorius to Houston Elementary,
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  SPEAKER_00: which was in East Mount,
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  SPEAKER_00: which was a better school, better area, and better education.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he made sure I had the right education as far as going to school
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  SPEAKER_00: and making sure I had the right teachers in mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Maria and I,
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  SPEAKER_00: we We cherish that, too,
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  SPEAKER_00: because we sent our son to a Catholic school up there in Chuston Hill
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  SPEAKER_00: to make sure he got a very good education.
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  SPEAKER_00: But, yeah, my dad was always there for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: He put me in all the camps that were around.
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  SPEAKER_00: I remember the first camp I went to was the Sixers camp.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was up in the Poconos.
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  SPEAKER_00: And every year,
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean every week,
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  SPEAKER_00: they would have a Sixers player show up, like Wally Jones or Hal Greer.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that was great.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then at his barbecues,
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  SPEAKER_00: I would come home and I'd walk to the back and all of a sudden I'd go out the door
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  SPEAKER_00: and I'd see Hal Greer, Chet Walker, Will Chamoy,
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  SPEAKER_00: Who else?
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  SPEAKER_00: Wally Jones.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was like a Sixers at my house almost every summer.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that was incredible.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sonny Hill was there.
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  SPEAKER_00: A few of my other dad's friends.
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  SPEAKER_01: And your dad was the barbecue master.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he loved to cook.
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  SPEAKER_00: He would go down to South Philly,
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  SPEAKER_00: pick up his vegetables and his meats and stuff and come home and he would stay in
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  SPEAKER_00: the kitchen.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he was, actually he was a better cook than my mom, but I didn't want to tell my mom that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But he was a very good cook.
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  SPEAKER_00: Except her cabbage.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, my dad loved cabbage.
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  SPEAKER_00: And my mom cooked the best cabbage.
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  SPEAKER_01: How did she make it?
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  SPEAKER_00: And she cooked the best fried chicken, too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'll never tell.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll never tell.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was hoping to come out of here with a recipe.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to have to depend on you.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's funny you bring up the barbecues because that was a terrific memory I have
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  SPEAKER_01: of your father.
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  SPEAKER_01: The auction.
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  SPEAKER_01: The auction.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was at Bill Bradshaw's house when he was the athletic director at the temple.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was part of a group that we had like the winning bid.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was supposed to be It was supposed to be,
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  SPEAKER_01: John Baum was bringing your father,
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  SPEAKER_01: and there were like 10 of us there,
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  SPEAKER_01: and we were like, hey,
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  SPEAKER_01: he's only going to be there for a couple hours,
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  SPEAKER_01: but he was going to do his famous barbecue, and...
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  SPEAKER_01: He shows up,
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  SPEAKER_01: and seven hours later,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: we're still laughing, and he's telling stories, and it was just a great day.
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  SPEAKER_01: You could just tell that he just loved being with people.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I can imagine what the barbecues must have been like.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, he liked smoking his meat.
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  SPEAKER_00: His meat, especially his ribs.
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  SPEAKER_00: He'd make tremendous ribs out of sight, and brisket he would make that was really good.
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  SPEAKER_00: But he had a smoker in the back, and he would smoke for hours of the meats that he had.
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  SPEAKER_00: He prepared a lot of meats.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he would do that not just for him, but he would do that for the people on the block.
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  SPEAKER_00: He would hand out meats to his neighbors.
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  SPEAKER_00: A guy named Mr. Roundtree, he was a detective.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think he worked with Rizzo.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I know Rizzo used to come by the house to pick him up from time to time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Rizzo lived in Mountain Area as well, Mayor Rizzo.
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  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, he would share his meats with the neighbors and his food with the neighbors.
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  SPEAKER_00: He would take this food over to such and such or take it over to Mr. Long's house.
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  SPEAKER_03: Don't forget the bones for the dogs.
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  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: He would go up to Chestnut Hill Market,
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  SPEAKER_03: Farmer's Market,
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  SPEAKER_03: and there was,
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  SPEAKER_03: I forget the name of the place in there,
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  SPEAKER_03: he would get his bacon, bacon bits for his cabins.
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  SPEAKER_03: And get the bones.
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  SPEAKER_03: They were baking ends.
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  SPEAKER_00: They were ends.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like the burner.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then he would pick up bones for Mr. Roundtree's dog.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mr. Roundtree's dog.
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  SPEAKER_00: And my dog.
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  SPEAKER_00: And your dog.
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  SPEAKER_00: We had a dog too.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm wondering what else besides basketball were important focuses in your upbringing?
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: I know obviously the food and the company and the social aspect,
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: but what was life like in your home when you were growing
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: up?
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: And by the way, Maria, don't worry.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: We're getting to you.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_03: quite all right.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_03: I'm fine.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_03: I'm fine.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to ask Maria all the hard questions.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, he, I mean,
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: we always watched basketball all the time in the household, so that was a must.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: So one of the things he did, that he had fun doing in the house, played pinochle.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: He always had guys over to play cards.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: And there was times where I would get up to go to school the next day.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: And they're still sitting in the dining room playing cards from the previous day.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, they were having fun, you know, playing cards.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, do they get any sleep?
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: But that was his love.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: He loved to play cards, loved to cook.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: And he always talked about, hmm?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: Shopping?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he loves to shop.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: But, uh...
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: For anything in particular?
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've read the stories about the Italian market,
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: certainly,
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: and finding the right tomato and tomatoes and,
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: you know, some of that stuff is legendary, but...
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and clothes, too.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Clothing?
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: He loves his ties.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: Ties.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: And when he would lose a game, he would give that tie away.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so that was the tie that he would give to one of his friends or whatever.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh...
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_03: Or to you.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Or to me, yeah.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: I got some of his ties, too.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: I got quite a bit of his ties.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: But he didn't lose a lot of games, so I didn't get as many ties.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: He had like 700-something wins at the time.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how many losses he had.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: Quite a bit less.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: When did you start to get a sense of how charismatic he was and how good
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: a basketball coach he was?
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like, when did you start to get a sense of,
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: like, my father's a big deal locally, regionally, nationally.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like, the man that we knew.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: When did you start to get a sense of, like, how important and how influential he was?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I know at one time when he was coaching high school at Grex.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: He used to bring me to practice.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the days, I think it was bring your son to school day or whatever.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: So he brought me to practice and I would sit in his office and watch these guys practice.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the first time I got a clue of what he was doing.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: And how old were you, John, at the
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: time?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think I had to be.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: He was coaching at maybe about nine.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: Nine years old.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: So you're young, now you're getting to see him in action.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: In action, yeah.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: But I never saw him play.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I always wanted to know who had films of him playing basketball.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: I never saw him play.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: And that's something I would...
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Love to see.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: I was wondering,
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: because that was one of the things,
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: I might even have it on the list here,
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: I was wondering if he ever took you on one of those weekend Eastern League trips.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because he was doing some weekend Eastern League when you were a kid, right?
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well he played for Bethune-Cookman,
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: and then he played in the Eastern League as a pro,
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: and I never saw him play as a pro in the Eastern League,
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: and then he played in the Baker League,
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: and he was a player coach in the Baker League,
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: He used to bring me a few games there, but I think at that age, I think I was maybe seven.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't paying attention.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: My attention plan span wasn't too good at that time.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I was just running around the court all the time with some of the other kids,
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: some of the other father's sons that were there.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: But that was one thing that I always wanted.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: But when he was coaching...
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: I know one game,
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: he brought me to,
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: they were playing Joe Bryant's team, Kobe Bryant's father's team, which is Bartram.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: And he said that all we have to do is stop Kobe,
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, stop Joe Bryant, and we can win the game.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: And they couldn't do that.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: They stopped everybody else on his team, but they couldn't stop him.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: He was unstoppable in that game, you know.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: Then he moved on to Chaney,
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: and I used to go to games there,
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: and it was kind of funny because I used to come to his practices there,
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: and I was wondering why women are in the gymnasium with him.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: So he always had practice with him.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: With Vivian Stringer's team.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: They would practice on one end and he would practice on the other end.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: And they would share the floor together.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: And that was amazing because I never seen that.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think no team or college team was doing that at the time.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: So that was amazing.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that's why they were so successful.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because she was successful in winning as well.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: As my dad was when he won the NCAA tournament.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: It was back in 78.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: 78, I think.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: 78.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: But that's when I realized he was a heck of a coach.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: When he won it all.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: When he won it all.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: And then the temple came after him.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's always been dedicated to stay at one particular level.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: He's had offers.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Even when he's at Temple, he had offers.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to tell you what teams,
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: because I don't want to tell you that,
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: but I know some of the teams that he had offers in.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: He loved Peter LeCore so much that he wanted to stay at Temple the rest of his career.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: Peter used to come to his practices and bring bagels and donuts.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like 6.30 in the morning.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: Who does that?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: 5, 6.30 in the morning, they would have practice.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just curious for either of you,
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: because Maria, I know you had such a special relationship with him.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: What can you tell us that he shared with the two of you about his upbringings?
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: What it was like for him as a kid.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I remember your grandmother.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_03: I remember his mom, grandmom early.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_03: I met her quite a few times,
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_03: but he would tell us about Dr.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_03: Penny, his friend, in South Philly, and the sandwiches.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_03: The first time he had broccoli rabe.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_03: Remember that?
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: Broccoli Rob, yeah.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_03: Here's Dr. Penny with the sandwich with this green stuff.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, what is that?
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_03: And it was Broccoli Rob with, was it turkey or something?
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_03: I can't remember.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was roast pork.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: Roast pork.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: He loves his roast pork.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_03: And he just, from that moment on, he just fell in love with Broccoli Rob.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_03: I'll never forget that, how he would be sitting there.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_03: But he always talked about, you know, how poor He was growing up.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_03: And to never forget where you came from.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_03: And he never did.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_03: He never did.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_03: He fought for the poor.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_03: He always did.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: That I do remember.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: He used to talk a lot,
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: and I'm wondering if he shared a lot of the same stuff at home,
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: like the wrongs that he saw,
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: the things that he saw growing up, and that shaped his worldview.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like he would say always,
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to butcher this,
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_02: it's like if you're going to raise the ceiling,
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: you have to bring the floor with you.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: I probably might have butchered that,
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: but did he talk with the two of you just about some of those experiences
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: that shaped his worldview?
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: Because he shared it with us, and I was wondering what it was like in the home as well.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think he went into a lot of kids' homes, and they were underprivileged kids.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: And he wanted to bring their...
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: When he talked about the floor,
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: bringing the roof down or the floor down,
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: the ceiling,
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: he was talking about,
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: so they can reach it, so they can
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: better themselves and also...
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: He would make sure that they would get a good education.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why he was always Proposition 48.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: He was always spoke about.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: And underprivileged kids that never had the opportunity
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: to be successful in life.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: So he wanted to make sure that they had a chance at trying to Better themselves
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: to get a good education, to get to college.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: And so he always went after kids that needed help.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: And he explored that avenue for those particular kids.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why the parents, he would go and visit these parents and parents would trust in him.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: They fell in love with my dad,
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: the parents that were,
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: that they sent their kids to college, to Temple, or to Chaney.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: Got them into college, you know.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: He was, he was for that.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: He was, you know, he's always for the underdog, you know.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: So he's, he's, he believed in that, and That was something that I admired about them.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: As a coach, a lot of coaches didn't look at it that way.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: So, shift gears a little bit here.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: When and how did the two of you meet?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, well, there's a couple of stories for that.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: We love a good story.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_03: I'll tell the right story.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_03: We actually met.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_03: We met, I was at a party with a friend, and he was there with his best friend.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_03: I did not know this man, and he came up to me and knew my name.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, Maria, and I'm like, who are you?
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_03: And he's talking to me, and then that was it.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_03: Introduced me to his best friend, and then that was it.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_03: Never saw him again.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_03: And a year later, about a year later, we met.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well, tell them the beginning now.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_03: Tell them the beginning.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_03: That is the beginning.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: No, I came over and I kissed you.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_03: No, well, you kissed me on my cheek.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: I kissed you on your cheek.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's nice.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: Didn't even know who she was.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: The delicious details are coming out.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know who she was.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: Podcast episode.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: We don't need
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: to tell everything.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: I was on the cheek.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_03: So then about a year later, 88, we met in April.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_03: Dad had just won the Atlantic 10 championship.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_03: Now, I did not follow college ball.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_03: I followed the NBA and I was a football girl.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_03: I liked football.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_03: And I had no clue who John Chaney was.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_03: And everybody's coming up to him.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: Congratulating me.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_03: Congratulations.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, why are they congratulating you?
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: Huh.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_03: And he said, well, you don't know who my father is?
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, no.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_03: And he said, John Chaney.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_03: I said, again, I do not
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: know who he is.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_03: Well, he coaches at Temple, and he just won this conference.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, oh, okay, so why again are they congratulating you?
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: Ouch.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: Ouch.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: We're just congratulating.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_03: That's how we met.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_03: So we ended up that night, I think there were three different venues.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: I told her it was a family thing.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_03: So there were three different venues I kept going to.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_03: I was with a friend of mine, my girlfriend, and he would be there.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_03: Like that whole night, there were three different venues.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, got his number and yeah, there you have it.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: No, tell him the beginning of that one.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: You came over and kissed me.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, God.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, the cheat.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_03: You've got to tell it all, don't you?
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_03: Didn't you do that?
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: I did, I did.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: You forgot about the kiss.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: So that's how we met.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: 88.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: By the way, so what year are we talking about?
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_03: 88.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we won the Atlantic 10 in 88.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: Only the number one team in the country, and you didn't know about that.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_03: I had no clue.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_03: And I did a co-op at Temple in 85.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_03: And still, I just wasn't interested in it.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I get it.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_03: But then he took me to my first game following the season of 88-89,
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_03: and I fell in love with McGonagall, fell in love with the team.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_03: It was great.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_03: Great atmosphere.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_03: I loved it.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I got her involved in basketball.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_03: I was hooked.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: She's been a follower ever since.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_03: And then meeting his father for the first time, I went to the house.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_03: And he's like, he's in the basement.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: And I looked down.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, Dad, I want you to meet Maria.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I'm coming up.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_03: And he comes up.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, hi, Mr. Chaney.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, hey, you hungry?
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_03: He's got greens on the stove.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_03: Come on, let me get you some food.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: He always wants to
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_03: feed you.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: If you come into his home...
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_03: You're getting fed.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: Whether you want it
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_03: or not, you're going to eat.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: That was it.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_03: But that was how I met him.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_03: And his mom I had already met.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_03: She and I clicked right away.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_03: And he and I clicked right away.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_03: It was really good meeting him.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_03: He was hilarious.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: So you got the sense then.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure you started to get the sense.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: You met him like peak Temple basketball and started to get a sense of like.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: The additional coach.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: You started to get a sense of how large in life he was.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: You call him, and it's, I love hearing this, like you call him dad.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_02: And if people didn't know any different,
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: they would have thought that he was your father and like that.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: Some people click with their father-in-law, some people don't.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_02: You did.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: What was he like as a father-in-law?
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_03: Oh man, did he get on me.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_03: He was, he treated me like I was his own, believe me.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_03: He was the sweetest man, biggest heart.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_03: He hated when I said that.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_03: Don't tell people I'm a puppy dog.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_03: I want them to think I'm mean.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, no, but you're not.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_03: I got to see the best of him.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_03: If he saw or thought things were not going the way he wanted or the way it should,
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_03: he would definitely let us know, let me know.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_03: He and I had our special conversations,
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_03: especially when I had John John and Yeah,
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_03: I'd get that good scolding on certain things.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_03: You weren't a part of that one.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_03: But, you know, he taught me, he gave me cooking lessons.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we had our time in the kitchen where he, all right, we're going to cook this cabbage.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not telling you, but we're going to cook this or turkey wings.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_03: And, oh my gosh, it's turkey wings.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_03: Just amazing stuff.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: The time with him was just amazing.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_03: Any time spent with him.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_03: You always learned something.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_03: Something would always come out of it.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: Just curious,
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: for either one of you,
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: what's your best basketball memory
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: and perhaps your most heartbreaking Temple basketball memory
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: with your father leading the program?
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, a little sweet and sour, if you will, right?
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think one game I went to...
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: It was in North Carolina when he played Dean Smith.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: And they were ranked number, Temple's ranked number one in the country.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: And he beat Dean Smith at the house, at the Ding Dong.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: After the game, they interviewed Dean Smith, and he's talking with a cigarette in his hand.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: He's talking about, we didn't prepare well for Temple.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Now, my dad, he looked at it in a sense, well, we beat them because...
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: And what do you call it?
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: The zone defense, which nobody played the zone like Temple back in that era.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: They had a match-up zone like no other.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I used to see them practice that.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: And it was very difficult to watch them practice that.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: But I got the gist of it when...
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes when they play a 1-3-1 and they had the guy roaming in the back.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: And that's basically how you...
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: And then also sharing the player as they follow through in the lane.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: They would get a lot of turnovers from that.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: And it was incredible how that zone worked.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: But
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: It was incredible how they won games because other teams turn the ball over
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: and they get fast break points off of that.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen that game many, many times.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was one of my favorite games.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think Temple was number one, had just become number one.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: Carolina, I think, was number five.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they were ranked.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: They were ranked the top five.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know,
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: if you're an ACC or a college basketball fan in general at that time,
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: you think, well, Temple's going to lose this game because they're not going to go
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: into North Carolina instead.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: And they're down five at the half.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Lincoln sits out, right?
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: Two fouls.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: They're down by five.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: Then they go on a 19-0 run to start the second half.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: But I remember the quote from J.R. Reid, who was like their most heralded player.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, at that time.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: And...
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: He said,
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: playing that zone,
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: it was like they had seven players out there
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: because they were just executing flawlessly.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: Carolina had 29 turnovers that game.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: I have, you know, I don't remember what I had for breakfast.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's a lot of turnovers.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: And it was just, and they killed him.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: It was just, it wasn't even close.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: And that's, I mean, I'm glad you picked that as a favorite member.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was my, he flew me down for that game.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it was me, it was my friend, one of my best friends came with me, Andy Johnson.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: His father played for the Globetrotters.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: He went to the game with me, and we had a great time in Carolina, you know.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: There was a picture in the paper right after that game,
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: I just remember, of the Temple bench, but you can see behind it.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: Now, you may have, perhaps, would you have been sitting behind
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: the bench?
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: But Eddie Coe was sitting behind the bench.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: Eddie Coe was sitting behind the bench.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: Eddie Coe was sitting behind it.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like two years earlier, I think.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: There's Eddie, because, you know, I was going to school...
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: When, you know,
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: Eddie Coe was coming up and then he was the star of that,
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think the star of that too,
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: that got destroyed by Kansas in the second round,
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: you know, like two years before that, you know.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: It was cool to see and a lot of people came out and he was from North Carolina, I think.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so Maria, how about you?
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_03: I enjoyed the opening of the Apollo when Pepe hit that.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_03: He hit that shot that won the games.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: Who was that?
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_03: Was that the opening of the Apollo?
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_03: And he fell back.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_03: He hit the shot, he fell back, and I believe we won.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_03: I remember that.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_03: I can't remember who we were playing.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_03: That was Michigan State.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_03: Michigan State, and we beat them, right?
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: We beat Michigan State.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_03: And when Pepe hit that shot and fell backwards,
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_03: oh my gosh, I remember Jon Jon was only like six months old.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_03: And, I mean, the place was packed.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_03: It was packed.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: So, was that the first season at the Apollo?
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like it was.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was the first.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: Wasn't that an opening?
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: The opening game was against Fresno State.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_03: That's the Lenards.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_03: And that was another game.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_02: That steals on, like, the first two or three possessions.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_03: Anything against Turkey.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: By the way, here's a little promo spot.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: You should check out my conversation.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking right at the camera.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: Check out my conversation with Lenard Stewart where he tells us, he told me all about that game.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's a funny story where I had him on the Life Lessons Collective.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, cool.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's funny you're talking about your son, six months old at the time.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: He was about six.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: We got my son going to games early, too.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: A-10 tournament at the convention center when he was just a few months old.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: So he's about three.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: We're at the Michigan State game.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's a big deal, I think.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: One of the teams was number five.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: The other team was number four.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: And we're going to lose.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to lose this game.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: It was terrible.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: We're down 10 late.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: But they had this funny rule that just for that season, right,
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: preseason games,
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: if a defensive team, well, whatever team caused a jump ball, a held ball.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: They got possession.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: There was no alternating.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: There was no jump ball.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: And we had,
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: I could be wrong on this,
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: but I think Temple had like three of those in the last two minutes,
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: which resulted in Temple getting the ball back.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, then they went on the foul shots at the end.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, I'm holding my son.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: He's like three years old.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: He's totally into Temple at this point.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he can cheer, he can do all that.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: So sometime during that comeback when it's getting...
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: Louder and louder and louder in the Apollo, because it was the Apollo at that
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: time, right?
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: He fell asleep on my shoulder.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's good.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: And we're screaming, and me and my bio, I'm crying, you know, I'm going to win this game.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: And my son is out, and I've never, never let him forget that to this day.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's a beautiful memory.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: Another game was...
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to think of another game that impressed me.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: This was a game before they were...
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think they lost to Seton Hall in the tournament.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, gosh.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: It was one game before they got into the Final Four.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: Now, he's been so close.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: He's been there so many times, and he never got over the hump, and he...
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: They were supposed to beat Seton Hall that year,
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: and their point guard got hurt,
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: and this other guard off the bench came off the bench.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: Ty Schein.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: Ty Schein, seven three-pointers.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: Seven three.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: He came off, and he just lit them up, and nobody expected him to come in.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: My dad was like, who'd expect this kid to come in and just score so many points?
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: And he would talk about taking away the known.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: Taking away the known, unknown.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, dealing with the known.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_03: Leave the unknown alone.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: And he's been so close of getting into the Final Four so many times.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: But that was one game he thought that he would be in the Final Four.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think if he would have got past, what do you call it?
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: Seton Hall.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Seton Hall.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: He would have probably went all the way.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: It was a strange year because I still blame Dick Girardi for this
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: because Dick Girardi wrote one of those two-page articles for the Daily News.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I hope we can have Dick on at some point.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I can personally assail him for this.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: He wrote an article about,
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: here are the reasons Temple's going to win the national championship this year.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: Mind you, we would have all been like, make the Final Four.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was like the ultimate jinx.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: But I will say this,
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: and that's a painful game that many of the people in
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_01: the Temple fan community don't like to talk about, right?
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: But Temple did shoot 6 of 18 from the foul line in that game.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_01: You're not going to beat anybody.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: You're shooting better like that.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: 6 of 18.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_02: At the foul line?
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's tough.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: John, were you covering that game?
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_02: I was not covering that game.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_02: I also missed that Michigan State game because I was working in South Jersey
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_02: at my first newspaper job.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: I was covering a high school game.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: Soccer State Championship game.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_02: And so somebody called me and said, well, your alma mater just knocked off Michigan State.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: And again, this was before smartphones.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_02: And so I missed that.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah,
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_02: the Seton Hall loss was almost like the equivalent of the Rondé Barber play
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: if you're an Eagles fan.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_02: I called it the Ryan Kirkring game now.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us a little bit about that soccer game.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us a little bit about that soccer game.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_02: Delcy Regional High School and someone else that are playing.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_02: I would love to ask the two of you about What coach was like when he came home to decompress?
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: Because he was like, you know, again, larger than life, so charismatic.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody wanted a piece of him after the game, even after he talked to the press.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: And he was so giving of his time and so loving.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_02: He was like a lead singer after a concert.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes I would see him kind of like just slump into his chair in the office
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_02: and he would talk to everybody.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_02: What was he like when he came home?
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_02: How did he unplugged?
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_03: Well, is it after a loss or after a
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_02: win?
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_03: After a loss, we didn't, I don't, it was very rare that we would go to the house after a loss.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I would go to the house.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_00: I would go with a loss or more.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'd stay back with John John.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_03: But after a loss,
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_03: so I don't know, I remember the game that he lost, but John John was about five.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_03: And you didn't go to the game, you had to work.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_03: And John John, I want to go see Grandpa.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_03: I want to see Papa.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, I don't know.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_03: I go back there to the office.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_03: So we took him to the office and he peeked his head in.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_03: He said, Papa.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm sitting there going, oh gosh.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_03: Because he was, yeah, clearly he was upset.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_03: But as soon as he saw John John, he just lit up.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_03: Gave him a hug, you know, he was really good.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's something he really needed.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_03: When he would be home, well,
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_03: first he would probably go and get something to eat,
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_03: get some food before, and we'd be sitting there waiting for him to get home.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_03: But he was,
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_03: he would come in the house and he would just,
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_03: sometimes he would talk about it, and sometimes he wouldn't.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_03: It would depend.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_03: It would depend, right, John?
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it would depend.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_03: You would have more conversations about the game with him than
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_00: I would.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he would tell me what went wrong in certain games,
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_00: and he wouldn't tell me what he could have done better,
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_00: but he always talked about the mistakes that he made, the team made, and...
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_00: But then he'll get off the subject and he'll just start cooking.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_00: And he'll put a game on and watch college games.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_00: He wouldn't talk much about it after a while.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, cooking would be it.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_03: Cooking would be his outlet.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_03: So he would cook.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_02: I want to honor your mother's memory as well.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_02: You've already said that she wasn't as much of the disciplinarian,
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_02: but how did they work through life together?
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_02: How did she keep him, or did she keep him on his toes?
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'd just love to learn more about the dynamic.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, my mother,
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_00: she would say,
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's things that... Well, you would know what he would say that...
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: What was the thing that happened with the Calipari?
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_00: What was the, about the goons?
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, St. Charles.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: St. Charles, yeah.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_00: And my mom would say, you know better, you know better, Chaney.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: She would call him Chaney.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: She always called my dad Chaney.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: You would know better.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_00: He said, you should know better.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_00: She would scold him.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, she would.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_03: She would make it known.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: He wouldn't say nothing to my mom after that.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he'd just listen.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: He would just listen.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: He wouldn't walk away.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: He would listen to what she had to say.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: Smart move.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: Smart move.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_03: And your mom was a physician.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_00: She'll say, you know better than that.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_00: Why would you say that?
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_00: Why would you do this or that?
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, anytime he says something that was out in the papers or whatever,
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_00: She would say something.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know better than that.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: She would.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_03: She was always watching the games at home, listening to it on the radio.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, my gosh.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_03: She would come to the games a lot, too.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_03: Why would you say something like that?
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_03: What
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_00: was that?
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_00: She said, why would you say something like that?
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: She'll put in those words, you know better than that.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_01: Was there a time that you can recall where he had an answer for it or did he know
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: in those moments?
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: Just to be quiet.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_00: Just to be quiet.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_00: My mother was right.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, okay.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's one time he would listen.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_00: He would listen to my mother when she would speak out on things like that.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_01: So you mentioned just briefly you talked about Calipari leading into talking about St. Joe's.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: What are your recollections about that incident, which is, of course, infamous?
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think a situation at hand on that was I think my dad got caught up in the moment
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: after he found out that Calipari was talking to the refs after the game.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: He would have never known because my niece was at the game.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_00: This was up in Boston.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: This was up when they were playing UMass.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_00: My niece was at the game, and she yelled to my grandpa, Grandpa Calipari is talking to the rest.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: And if she would have never said that to him,
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_00: then I don't think he would have ever went off and got upset.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: But my pop was really trying to explain,
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_00: my dad was really trying to explain that when Calpray was talking to the rest,
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: my dad felt that he was trying to get,
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_00: because they were supposed to play at Temple the following week or two weeks
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: or whatever.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: So he was trying to get an edge as far as talking to the rest.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_00: And my dad just, he got upset and said that your kids played very well.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: Played very well, excellent.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_00: And you had the audacity to talk to the refs.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: My dad got upset about him talking to the refs.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_00: And that's when he exploded a little bit.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_00: And then I found Calipari.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: Calipari was calling my dad quite a few times later during...
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: The time my dad was coaching, and they became pretty good friends.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_00: And
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: even to a point where Cal probably wanted my dad to induct him into the Hall of Fame.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people didn't know that.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_00: And he spoke at my dad's funeral, which he did quite elegantly.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_00: He captured a lot of what my dad did at Temple as far as trying to copy his coaching
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_00: as far as playing tough teams.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_00: My dad would set up games where he would play Carolina or Duke.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'll play you twice at your place if you can play once at my place.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_00: That was the...
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: Contract he tries to set up of playing top-notch teams.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: Toughen your team up.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, toughen your team.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_00: He wanted to play the toughest teams, the top 20 teams in the country.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_00: So he would play Duke twice or whatever or Carolina.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_00: There were certain teams that wouldn't want to play him.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to mention I know a few teams.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's not do that.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_00: But there was teams that he played.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_00: Michigan State he played twice.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_00: He played a lot of tough teams.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_00: And that made his team better.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_00: So Calipari learned, I think he learned that from my dad.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: And also got TV rights.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_00: So you're looking at, you're playing teams that are top-notch teams.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: You're never going to be on TV.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_00: They don't want to see that on TV.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_00: So...
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_00: Playing Michigan State or Duke or Carolina,
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_00: that brings a lot of revenue into the school as well.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's interesting.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_01: You're talking about the revenue piece and playing teams twice on the road.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's off topic, but this is stuff that the landscape has changed so much now.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: We're just not...
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you talked to...
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_01: You talk to Adam all the time, right?
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_01: It is more and more difficult to schedule.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_02: It is harder.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is harder.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_02: With budgets,
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_02: some teams look at Temple now as like,
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_02: if we beat them, we were supposed to beat them.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_02: If we lose to them, it's a bad thing.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_02: And they're in this kind of middle ground region.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's harder for teams to schedule the way,
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_02: harder for Adam to schedule the way that your father was scheduled.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of teams say no.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_03: They just don't want to do it.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_00: But that's what Calipari was doing.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_00: He wanted to schedule tough teams.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_00: The same formula my dad was using, he wanted to do that with his team at UMass.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what he did.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_00: He started playing a lot of teams on,
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_00: trying to get the teams that you know you can be on TV, that you would be on TV.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_00: You'll get the audience as well as the ratings.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_02: I remember, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, when...
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_02: When the situation happened in St.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_02: Joe's and people, you know, your father admitted, hey, this shouldn't happen.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_02: He apologized.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_02: But people were piling on and piling on.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_02: And one of the people who defended him was John Calipari.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I was always struck by that.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I think, why do you think that was?
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_02: Was it because he just respected how honest your father was?
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_02: Because the respect, it was like a human relationship.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm putting this behind me.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_02: But I always got the sense that he just respected how real your father was.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_02: Did we have the right read on it?
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I think so.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_00: It was pure respect.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_03: I met Calipari before I met him through your dad and you at a funeral for one
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_03: of Drexel's,
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_03: Bruiser Flint's,
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_03: one of his players, his father and I worked together at Penn.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_03: And he passed away.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm at this funeral.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_03: And then here's Calipari right in front of me with Bruiser.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, oh, this is my chance.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_03: So I went up and said hi to Coach Bruiser.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_03: And then I introduced myself to Calipari.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_03: And he said, wait a minute, Chaney?
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_03: I said, not many people know.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_03: He's like.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, you're married to John?
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, yes.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_03: So we started talking.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_03: He said, I love him.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_03: I have the utmost respect for your father-in-law.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_03: He just talked and talked.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it was just wonderful to hear that from him.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_03: And this was before the incident.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_03: So...
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it just meant so much to hear that because I know how much,
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_03: you know, UMass and Temple, that was like a big rivalry, you know.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was the rivalry.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_03: He really, he respected your father.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he did.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_00: He respected him.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_00: He did.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_03: No matter what else had happened, after, before, whatever, you know, he respected the man.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_03: He respected the man.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I think my dad would have, he respected Cal Perry as well.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_00: He did.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_00: And he wanted to be there for him when he was inducted to the Hall of Fame,
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_00: but he was ill at the time.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_03: Couldn't travel.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_00: And he couldn't travel.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_00: So that's the reason why he couldn't do it for him.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_00: But I've been over to the house a couple times,
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_00: and I've heard him talk, him and Kyle Pryor talking on the phone.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and they're laughing or whatever.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_00: John Thompson, another one, he talking on the phone.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_00: He was pretty close with John Thompson as well.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: I know there was a time when my dad was after Allen Iverson.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it came down to Temple and Georgetown.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_00: And as soon as my father found out that Allen Iverson was thinking about Georgetown,
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_00: he jumped out of the race because he had so much respect for John Thompson.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_00: But he was...
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot,
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_00: there was some players,
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_00: there was a player in Atlantic City that my dad was after too.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_00: He ended up going to UMass.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_00: What's the guy?
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_00: Lou Ruff.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_00: Lou Ruff.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, it's... Rasheed.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_00: he's got out of the,
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_00: a lot of times he's got out of the,
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_00: The race for some of those players,
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was another player that went to Syracuse.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_00: He tried to get him, but he ended up going to Syracuse.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_00: What's the point guard?
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_01: Not Douglas.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_01: Huh?
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_01: Sherman Douglas?
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_01: Sherman Douglas.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_01: Where was it later than that?
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_00: Sherman Douglas.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_01: Sherman Douglas was the point guard on their team that...
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_01: Was that the team that lost to Keith Smart?
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think so, yeah.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_00: I was thinking.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: Was that Sherman?
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_00: Was it Sherman Douglas?
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_00: He was the point guard that they can handle and dribble.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_00: Or Pearl.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_00: Pearl, yeah.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_00: Pearl Washington.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_00: Pearl Washington.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_00: My dad was after him.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_00: He ended up going to...
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_00: He ended up going to Syracuse.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_01: I heard he also went after Billy Donovan,
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_00: Billy Donovan was my dad's first recruit.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_00: That was his first recruit.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_00: He was up there watching him play.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_00: What was that, up in Boston?
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_00: What was he playing in Boston, right?
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_00: It was such a big story in the 2001 run.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_00: And he was after him.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_00: He offered him a scholarship because that was my dad's first year.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't have a scholarship to give him.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_00: And he said,
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_00: if you can go pay your way the first year,
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_00: he said, I would give you a scholarship the following year.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_00: The coach from Connecticut ended up grabbing him
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_00: because they were all asking my dad, who are you here to see?
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of coaches were asking each other, who are you here to see?
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_00: And my dad said, I'm here to see Billy Donovan.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_00: And what's the end up getting him?
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_00: Bettino at Providence.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_00: Bettino.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_00: Ended up getting Providence.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_00: Ended up taking him.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_00: But that was my dad's first recruit.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_00: He told me that story.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_02: The story of him bowing out of it once he knew
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_02: that John Thompson was recruiting Allen Iverson,
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it would never happen today.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_02: All the coaches that will love each other,
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_02: but they'll still negatively recruit against each other.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_02: And that's just part of it.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_02: The fact that your father bowed out of it for John Thompson is pretty amazing.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's the respect he had for John Thompson.
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_00: And probably wouldn't happen today at this era.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_00: No way.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_01: Everything's so big.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_01: The money is crazy.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_01: The opportunities for both the players and coaches.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's just such a different game now in those respects.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:03:55
  SPEAKER_01: This just cracked me up.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_01: When you were talking, I mean,
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_01: just in terms of talking to Coach Thompson on the phone and whatnot,
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_01: I've always noted that your voice is so similar to your father's.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_01: I was wondering, was there a time that you ever, like, pranked somebody who called on the phone?
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_01: Can it be your father?
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know what?
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people mention that to me, that I sound like my dad.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I never did a prank on anybody.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm glad you brought that to my attention.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_00: I might have to do that.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard to do that because he passed away.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, we're not doing
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_02: that.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_02: You talked about the cookouts when you were younger.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_02: Were there ever like some other unexpected house guests?
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_02: You come over to the house and you're like,
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_02: oh my God, I can't believe this person is just like sitting in our living room.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I remember one time I went to a,
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_00: my dad brought me to a Baker League game up in Bellfield Recreation Center.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_00: And me and a buddy of mine, Sidney Roundtree, We were getting out of the car.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_00: Wilt Chamberlain pulled up,
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: and he goes over and he says to me and to my buddy,
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_00: go grab my bags out of the trunk.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_00: So we grab his bags out of the trunk, and then we take him into the gym.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_00: But that was something to see, meeting Wilt Chamberlain.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_03: What about at the house?
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_03: Anybody?
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, but at the house?
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see, the people that came here at the house.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I told you this.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_00: You had a lot of the sixer players.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_00: My dad was pretty close with Hal Greer and Chet Walker.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_00: Archie Clark.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_00: Remember Archie Clark was at the house?
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_00: Billy Cunningham, he was close.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_00: trying to think of
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_00: who else.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_01: Classic Sixers players.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_00: Classic Sixers players, yeah.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_03: One time, he took myself, my niece, Rashida, to a Sixers game.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_03: Eddie was in town, Eddie Jones, the Lakers were in town to play the Sixers.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_03: It was Eddie against Aaron.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_03: So he took us to the game.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_03: I was pregnant with John.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_03: I'll never forget this.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_03: And we're walking to our seats, and here comes this tall man.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_03: I looked up.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_03: I said, oh, that's Dr. J.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_03: He comes up, and he hugs your dad, and he wouldn't let him go.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_03: It was like just this hug that lasted forever.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_03: And I was just sitting there going, Wow, he's so tall.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_03: But this was like the best thing, you know?
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_03: You could tell they really, he was like, oh man, it's so good to see you on both ends, you know?
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_03: And it was just that, that was a great moment.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_03: That was a great moment.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_03: I was just like, okay.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_03: And then at the Hall of Fame with Indiana,
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_03: Indiana coach.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_02: Bob Knight.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_02: Bobby Knight.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, Bobby Knight.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_03: And Dr. J and Dad.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_03: I have to find that picture.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_00: What about the time we were all in the elevator with Bobby Knight?
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my God.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_00: This was the Hall of Fame.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_03: But we were all in Moses.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_00: Moses Malone.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_00: I met Moses in the elevator and also at the Hall of Fame.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_00: Bobby Knight I met in the Hall of Fame as well.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_00: Mike Krzyzewski and his family.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_03: That was great.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_00: I met
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_03: at the Hall of
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_00: Fame.
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_01: So, just shifting gears a little bit,
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm wondering about, you know, your dad had many notable assistants.
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know a lot about the assistants he had at Chaney,
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_01: but thanks to this thing called the Internet,
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_01: I pulled up names like Anthony Penny, Chuck Songster, and...
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_01: And, of course, the Temple.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_01: Jim Maloney, Jay Norman, Dean Dimopoulos, Nate Blackwell, Dan Leibovitz, Bill L.B., Mark Macon.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_01: What can you tell us about your experiences with the assistants and
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_01: about your dad's relationship with them?
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a big question because I just gave you a lot of names.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_01: But, like,
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_01: if you go back to the Chaney days,
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_01: do you have any, did you have relationships with them?
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, because...
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_03: Before my time.
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_01: These were the co-workers, so to speak, right?
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_00: Jim Maloney, I think Jim Maloney was my dad's probably favorite assistant.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_00: His brother.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_03: He called him his brother.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_00: His brother.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my homie.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_00: He liked Nate Blackwell.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_00: He liked, who was the other guy?
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_03: Well, he liked them all.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he liked them all.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_00: But Dr. Penny was his... Dr. Penny was one of
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_03: his...
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_03: He wasn't a coach, though, was he?
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_03: Dr. Penny wasn't a coach, was he?
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_01: He was just a friend.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_01: How'd he get in there?
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_03: They were friends from when he was young.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_00: That's probably one of his oldest friends.
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh, yes.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_00: Because they've known each other for such a long time.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_03: Since they were young.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_03: Living in South Philly with the Broccoli Rob sandwich.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_00: He's one of his closest friends.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_01: When he came in at Temple, he retained Jim Maloney.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_01: He retained Jane Norman, if I'm not mistaken.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think they were both assistant coaches
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_01: previously.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_01: Under Don Casey.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_01: Casey.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_01: But they became important pieces of those early years, obviously.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_01: Then brought in Nate.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_01: After Nate had graduated,
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_01: so on and so forth,
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_01: and then extending through to Dan Leibovitz,
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_01: and then bringing in Coach Ellerbe from Gratz, and bringing Mark Macon back.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_01: So what are some of your recollections of interacting with
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_00: Jay was one of my dads.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_00: He played cards with him, too.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_00: So he came over the house quite a few times.
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_00: He worked with the centers and the forwards, rebounding.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_00: He handled the big men when he was coaching.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_01: And for those listening out there who don't know about Jay Norman, I mean,
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_01: he was a 6'3",
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_01: correct me if I'm wrong,
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_01: rebounding machine on the teams that made,
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_01: the Temple teams that made the 5'4", in the 50s.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_01: To be 6'3", I mean, that's, you know, they talk about Charles Barkley as a rebounding machine.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_01: Jay Norman was that at Temple.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Big guys, right?
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_00: He works the big guys rebounding and block shots and stuff like that.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_03: And Ellery was another very good friend.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_00: Ellery was a very good coach.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_00: He had him when he was at,
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_00: Ellery was coaching at Gratz and he was coaching Aaron McKee and Rasheed Wallace
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_00: and those guys.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_00: So he wanted to bring them up.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_00: And help his players with the guards.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_00: He handled a lot of the guards.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_00: Guard play.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_00: And also rebounding.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because Jay, I think Jay left.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_00: Jay left way after LB came.
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_00: What is it?
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_00: Are you talking about Leibovitz?
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_00: Dan?
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_00: Daddy loved Leverwitz, and he was very close with Leverwitz's father.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_00: They were very, very close.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_00: And Leverwitz wanted to learn how to coach,
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_00: so he was with my dad for a while, and he was working for free for a while.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_00: My dad decided to bring him on as a coach.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_00: Gave him a salary.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_00: But he was working for free at one time.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_00: He was coaching for free.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_00: Dean DeMont.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about Dean.
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_01: Also moved into working with the big guys, right?
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Dean worked with big guys.
• 1:13:19
  SPEAKER_00: He worked with the guards as well, but mostly with the big guys.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_00: He handled pretty much hand-off work.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of the other things like transportation and making sure kids were at practice
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_00: on time and stuff like that.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_01: So no conversation
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_00: of... Well, I had a personal conversation.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_00: One time I...
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like a good story is coming.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_00: One time I had a parking ticket.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if we need to tell any of this.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I can tell the story.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_00: We can always cut this out.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_00: I had a parking ticket, and the parking ticket, I let it build up to about $200 or something.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I was calling my dad because they confiscated my car.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_00: And, well, no, they put a boot on my car.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_03: Boot.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_00: I called my dad to tell him about it.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_00: And Dean picked up the phone.
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, well, dad, your father's busy right now.
• 1:14:30
  SPEAKER_00: What can I do?
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_00: I said, well, I got to speak to him right away.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, well, I can handle it.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_00: I can take care of it.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_00: I said, what do you need?
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I explained to Dean that I got a boot on my car.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_00: He said, where's the car?
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_00: He came down.
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_00: He paid the bill and got my car back.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_00: And my dad never found out.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_03: Never found out.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_03: Because if Dad would have answered that phone,
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_03: it would have been, then I guess you got to take care of it, click.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_03: It would not have been him coming down to pay any bill.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_00: He came to the rescue.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_03: And never told Dad.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_00: And never told Dad about it.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_01: Do not
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_00: cut that out.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_00: Do not.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_01: You say do not cut
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_03: that out.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_03: And I tried to pay him
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_00: back, and he was like.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_03: He wouldn't let him.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_00: He wouldn't let me pay him back.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_03: He wouldn't do it.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's so funny.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_01: What I was also alluding to is,
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think there's a,
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_01: you can have a conversation about people who had an impact on the temple program
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_01: without talking about the late John DeSangro.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the man.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm just wondering what
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_01: your experiences with him.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_03: John was amazing.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_03: He would, the things he would do For that man and that team, there's nothing he wouldn't do.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_03: There was nothing he wouldn't do.
• 1:15:59
  SPEAKER_03: Ask John.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_03: Ask John.
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_03: Dad, ask John.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_03: John can get it done.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_03: Everything was... Just ask John.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_03: He can do it.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_03: And don't mess with John, because that would be the wrath of Coach Chaney.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_03: That was his right hand.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_03: Ying and yang.
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_03: They...
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_00: He was his right-hand man.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_03: He would pretty
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_00: much take care of everything.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I would see, there's times I would come to the office and he's running around like a roadie.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, where are you going?
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, I gotta take care of this.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_00: He had to do so much stuff for my dad.
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_03: On the road, the same thing.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_00: He's making sure everything was done right.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_00: Whether it was tickets to get to To where they had to go, kids on time, kids being late.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_00: He would handle all the necessities of that.
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_03: And if there were any hitches, Dad would never know.
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_03: If anything was going wrong,
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_03: going south, Dad would not know because he would fix it no matter what.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_03: He was a fixer-upper.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_03: He would fix things.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_03: He was just an amazing person and a beautiful person inside and out.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he was great.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_00: He was a great guy.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_00: Personally, he was a great guy, too.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_00: He was always nice to me.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you need anything?
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_00: You always ask me, Dad, you need anything?
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_00: But he was always on the run, taking care of things my dad needed taken care of.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't have to worry.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_00: my dad didn't have to worry about anything because he would pretty much take care
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_00: of everything,
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_02: you know.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_02: How involved were the two of you in any conversations
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_02: when he started even contemplating retirement?
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_02: Did he ever come to the two of you and say, I'm thinking about it?
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_03: I found out working at Penn,
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_03: somebody called me, your father-in-law's on TV here talking about he's retiring.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, what?
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_03: And I had no idea.
• 1:18:13
  SPEAKER_03: So literally- Literally had no clue.
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_03: No clue.
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, you've got to be kidding me.
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, he's retiring today, like right now.
• 1:18:23
  SPEAKER_03: And I, you know, we switched it on in the conference room and I'm like, wow.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_03: And I called John.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_03: You didn't know.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_00: No, I didn't know.
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_03: I mean- Mom knew, but you didn't know.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_03: Now I don't know if Mom knew.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_00: I know he's always talked about-
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_03: He talked about.
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_00: Talked about it, saying that-
• 1:18:43
  SPEAKER_00: That he would ride out to the blue sunset.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_03: There you go.
• 1:18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like Frank Sinatra.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_00: Frank Sinatra was his favorite.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_00: He had all Frank Sinatra's songs.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_00: And he would talk about when he was going to leave, he was going to ride out to the sunset.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_03: Set him up, Joe.
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_03: Set him up, Joe.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_03: Excuse me while I disappeared.
• 1:19:06
  SPEAKER_00: While I disappeared.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's one of the things he said when he was dead.
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_00: He did.
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's exactly why it was brilliant.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a Sinatra fan.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_02: I wrote about that in a story that I wrote for the alumni magazine.
• 1:19:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_02: They came to me and said, do you want to write this story?
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_02: I said, sure.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_02: Your dad was amazing for that story.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_02: But like when he said that in his retirement press conference,
• 1:19:25
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, people were just welling up.
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_02: And if you loved Sinatra and you loved him, you're like, this doesn't get any better.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_02: Make you want to cry.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_02: He used to say, I'm going to sit under a tree and eat peanuts and tell lies.
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_02: And tell lies.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_02: And tell lies.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_02: Drink beer and tell lies.
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:19:42
  SPEAKER_03: He was playing dance.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_03: Eat peanuts, drink beer, and tell lies.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, even.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_00: He likes his beer, too.
• 1:19:53
  SPEAKER_00: He drinks some beer every now and then.
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_00: I would go get him a case.
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_00: A St. Pauli girl.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_03: That was his
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_00: favorite.
• 1:20:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was one of his favorites.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_00: St. Pauli girls.
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_00: You never forget your first girl.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_00: That was the slogan.
• 1:20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's like all these people in the Midwest who love it.
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Nice German beer.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_00: He liked German beer.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_02: We always used to hear from Fran,
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to take this job unless I have Coach Chaney's blessing.
• 1:20:27
  SPEAKER_02: We got the sense that he used to say Fran is the truth.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_02: It just seemed like that mutual respect was legit.
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_02: When you're like,
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_02: this is your father,
• 1:20:39
  SPEAKER_02: your father-in-law,
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_02: sometimes it may have crossed your mind, who's going to replace my father?
• 1:20:46
  SPEAKER_02: What were your thoughts on the transition?
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_02: Because Frank used to say, I'm not going to do this unless I have his blessing.
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think me personally, I think that was like the perfect candidate.
• 1:21:01
  SPEAKER_00: But my dad, I think he respected Fran more than any other coach in the Big Five at that time.
• 1:21:16
  SPEAKER_00: He always talked about Fran.
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_00: Even when Fran was coaching Temple, he's, you need to play more zone.
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_00: My daddy has to tell him, talking to him on the phone, you know, a lot.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_00: So, uh, but yeah, I think he, he wanted him to have the job.
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, he, uh,
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think he had,
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_00: there was no other candidate that I think that he,
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_00: that my dad was thinking about other than Fran.
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think at one time
• 1:21:54
  SPEAKER_00: he thought about
• 1:21:57
  SPEAKER_00: maybe either Nate or Dean Demopoulos
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_00: at one time,
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_00: but he thought Fran was the perfect fit as far as teaching the kids culture
• 1:22:09
  SPEAKER_00: and growth.
• 1:22:13
  SPEAKER_00: But that was the main thing, the culture.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't want to get back.
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_00: He knew Fran would be good for the kids,
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so he wanted Fran more than anything else.
• 1:22:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm glad Fran took the job.
• 1:22:29
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember what his thoughts were when Aaron got the job?
• 1:22:35
  SPEAKER_02: Because when they announced Aaron, doing it at McGonagall was a nice touch.
• 1:22:40
  SPEAKER_02: And your father was there that day.
• 1:22:41
  SPEAKER_02: And you think about everything that Aaron was and became because of the opportunity
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_02: that your father gave him growing up like near Ethan Diamond.
• 1:22:52
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember any thoughts your father had?
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like, oh my God, this is Aaron.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_02: I knew this kid when he was growing up.
• 1:22:57
  SPEAKER_02: Congrats.
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_02: And now he is, you know, he's replacing Fran.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like two coaches removed.
• 1:23:02
  SPEAKER_02: That was quite a moment to witness.
• 1:23:04
  SPEAKER_02: I wonder what your father's thoughts were just taking all that in.
• 1:23:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think...
• 1:23:09
  SPEAKER_00: My dad, he loved Aaron, and he loved Nate Blackwell, and he loved
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_00: Mark Macon.
• 1:23:21
  SPEAKER_00: So those are the three guys that he probably thought would probably take the job after Fran.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_00: But I think Aaron,
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_00: being that Aaron was a point guard,
• 1:23:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think he wanted Aaron to be Be the one because he's from Philly.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_00: He's a Philadelphia native.
• 1:23:45
  SPEAKER_00: He knew that probably Aaron could probably recruit and get a lot
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_00: of Philadelphia players to come to Temple.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_00: Nate, with the situation he had...
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think they would have approved him being the coach of
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_00: the situation he's been through and what he's done
• 1:24:08
  SPEAKER_00: far as the problem he had.
• 1:24:13
  SPEAKER_00: And Mark, I think Aaron was just a better person for coaching.
• 1:24:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's seen the floor as more of a point guard.
• 1:24:24
  SPEAKER_00: Mark Macon was more of a shooting guard.
• 1:24:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think that he didn't use the zone as much as my dad would like for him to use, too.
• 1:24:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because they did a lot of man-to-man.
• 1:24:39
  SPEAKER_00: It was hard to get.
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:24:43
  SPEAKER_00: But I think he loved Aaron when he took the job after Fran.
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:24:51
  SPEAKER_02: Probably hard to get today's player to run baseline to baseline and asking them
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_02: to do that today as much as your dad did.
• 1:24:58
  SPEAKER_01: So what are your thoughts on the program now?
• 1:25:01
  SPEAKER_01: I know Adam's had you back.
• 1:25:06
  SPEAKER_01: He's trying to keep people involved.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, we've talked a little bit here.
• 1:25:11
  SPEAKER_01: We know the game's changed a lot.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's hard right now to be a college coach.
• 1:25:18
  SPEAKER_03: If you don't have the money, I mean...
• 1:25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, he's losing players.
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_03: He's losing, yeah, everybody.
• 1:25:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like every year, the players are leaving and they're going to other teams.
• 1:25:30
  SPEAKER_00: And it's hard to keep a whole team together because it was the NIL revenue share.
• 1:25:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:25:39
  SPEAKER_00: Kids are going for the money.
• 1:25:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what my dad would do with the situation.
• 1:25:43
  SPEAKER_00: He wouldn't do
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_03: at all.
• 1:25:45
  SPEAKER_00: The loyalty is just not what it used to be.
• 1:25:49
  SPEAKER_00: When my dad was coaching, he...
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_00: He would get the players because they wanted to be there.
• 1:25:56
  SPEAKER_00: And they loved him.
• 1:26:00
  SPEAKER_00: Martin Macon loved my dad.
• 1:26:03
  SPEAKER_00: He came all the way from Saginaw, Michigan.
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody in the whole country was after him.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_00: But my dad, he loved my dad.
• 1:26:13
  SPEAKER_00: My dad was sold.
• 1:26:17
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron McKee's another one.
• 1:26:20
  SPEAKER_00: He loved my dad.
• 1:26:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's a lot of players.
• 1:26:25
  SPEAKER_00: I love my dad.
• 1:26:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think he would have got Rasheed Wallace.
• 1:26:28
  SPEAKER_00: And Dean, Dean found a way to get him.
• 1:26:31
  SPEAKER_00: So it was...
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think it came down to Temple in Carolina at that time.
• 1:26:40
  SPEAKER_00: But imagine, what about Pepe Sanchez?
• 1:26:46
  SPEAKER_00: When he recruited him,
• 1:26:48
  SPEAKER_00: he got it from George Savarini,
• 1:26:51
  SPEAKER_00: set him up for him, recruited him, and then my dad was trying to get the other...
• 1:26:58
  SPEAKER_00: Manager Nobile.
• 1:26:59
  SPEAKER_00: Manager Nobile.
• 1:27:00
  SPEAKER_00: He was trying to get him...
• 1:27:02
  SPEAKER_00: But he couldn't get him
• 1:27:03
  SPEAKER_00: because they found out he was playing professional basketball over in Argentina.
• 1:27:10
  SPEAKER_00: And that's so many reasons.
• 1:27:11
  SPEAKER_00: But otherwise, imagine him having Pepe at him.
• 1:27:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that would be incredible.
• 1:27:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, certainly would have.
• 1:27:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:27:19
  SPEAKER_00: Manjanovi.
• 1:27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:27:27
  SPEAKER_01: How did he find contentment in retirement?
• 1:27:31
  SPEAKER_01: What changed for him and what was the same?
• 1:27:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think that the retirement, I think it had a lot to do with my mother.
• 1:27:42
  SPEAKER_00: When she had breast cancer, she was ill. And my dad had to step in and take care of her.
• 1:27:50
  SPEAKER_00: And he felt it was just time for it.
• 1:27:54
  SPEAKER_00: Feminist sucked,
• 1:27:54
  SPEAKER_00: taking care of my mother, and that was more important
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_00: than coaching at the time.
• 1:28:03
  SPEAKER_03: One thing he didn't want to do when he retired is travel.
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_03: He said, I traveled enough, I don't want to go.
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:28:11
  SPEAKER_03: But he still, like,
• 1:28:12
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_03: he played golf, and he went out, played his cards with the guys at Walnut Lane.
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was his favorite place, Walnut Lane.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_03: He loved going down the,
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_03: what is it, 9th Street and getting his food.
• 1:28:26
  SPEAKER_03: And he had little places up in Chestnut Hill he would go to.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_00: He loved his fish.
• 1:28:32
  SPEAKER_00: He would love his fish.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_00: He would go to the fish market.
• 1:28:34
  SPEAKER_03: Broad and Nedra?
• 1:28:36
  SPEAKER_03: Isn't that the one?
• 1:28:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there was an Asian fish market there.
• 1:28:43
  SPEAKER_00: And he was telling me how fresh the fish was.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_00: And he said that, he would say...
• 1:28:50
  SPEAKER_03: Don't do it.
• 1:28:52
  SPEAKER_00: He would say if the fish wasn't fresh in North Philly,
• 1:28:57
  SPEAKER_00: he said these black folks would run them out of here.
• 1:29:02
  SPEAKER_00: He would run these people out of here.
• 1:29:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's absolutely He would say something like that to that effect.
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_00: But they always had great...
• 1:29:08
  SPEAKER_00: He would take us there.
• 1:29:09
  SPEAKER_00: He would take us there to get his seafood,
• 1:29:11
  SPEAKER_00: get his fish, his porgies, catfish, and porgies he would buy.
• 1:29:19
  SPEAKER_00: And it was fresh.
• 1:29:20
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 1:29:21
  SPEAKER_00: He would go home and cook it.
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_00: My mom would cook the fish.
• 1:29:24
  SPEAKER_03: Mom would cook it, yeah.
• 1:29:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he would love his seafood.
• 1:29:29
  SPEAKER_03: And crabs.
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_00: And crabs.
• 1:29:31
  SPEAKER_03: He would order from the...
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_03: Crab Place in Maryland.
• 1:29:36
  SPEAKER_03: Maryland?
• 1:29:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:29:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_03: And, I mean, he would take off the legs.
• 1:29:44
  SPEAKER_00: Lefty Giselle.
• 1:29:45
  SPEAKER_00: What's his name?
• 1:29:45
  SPEAKER_00: Lefty Giselle, Coach from Maryland?
• 1:29:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:29:50
  SPEAKER_00: He goes there, and I think either he talked to my dad about the place.
• 1:29:55
  SPEAKER_00: My dad found out about it, and he started ordering crabs, and Lefty...
• 1:30:00
  SPEAKER_00: Lefty bought him crabs and sent them to him.
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_00: And these crabs from edge to edge was about this big.
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_03: They were huge.
• 1:30:11
  SPEAKER_00: Monster crabs.
• 1:30:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're jumbo.
• 1:30:13
  SPEAKER_03: He only liked the crabs.
• 1:30:14
  SPEAKER_03: It looked like they were doing push-ups.
• 1:30:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he said they were doing push-ups.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_00: The crabs are so strong.
• 1:30:20
  SPEAKER_03: And he would rip off the legs and call us.
• 1:30:25
  SPEAKER_03: Come and get these crabs.
• 1:30:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:30:27
  SPEAKER_03: And he would keep the legs and give us, yeah.
• 1:30:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so that explains why he made that reference in 2001 when they were playing Texas.
• 1:30:37
  SPEAKER_02: He said, these guys look like they have crab legs.
• 1:30:40
  SPEAKER_03: There you go.
• 1:30:41
  SPEAKER_03: There you go.
• 1:30:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_00: They would call them swamp dogs, I think he called them.
• 1:30:46
  SPEAKER_00: Swamp dogs, yeah.
• 1:30:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they were big crabs.
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_00: Loved his crabs.
• 1:30:51
  SPEAKER_03: But I don't know.
• 1:30:52
  SPEAKER_03: A lot changed.
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he just wasn't as busy, but his other things stayed.
• 1:30:58
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he would,
• 1:30:59
  SPEAKER_03: like I said,
• 1:30:59
  SPEAKER_03: he would cook,
• 1:31:00
  SPEAKER_03: he would go shopping, you know, he'd send me shopping, send him shopping.
• 1:31:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure there's, I can't imagine too many moments where he doesn't cross your mind.
• 1:31:09
  SPEAKER_02: How do you, if you had to explain to people, how do you keep his memory alive today?
• 1:31:17
  SPEAKER_00: Stories.
• 1:31:19
  SPEAKER_00: Stories and pictures.
• 1:31:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, buying crabs, too.
• 1:31:25
  SPEAKER_03: And the crabs.
• 1:31:27
  SPEAKER_03: Because we buy the crabs from the crab place.
• 1:31:29
  SPEAKER_03: We buy crabs, yeah.
• 1:31:32
  SPEAKER_00: And, yeah, yeah.
• 1:31:33
  SPEAKER_03: Whenever I cook cabbage, I think about him.
• 1:31:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_03: And greens, and the turkey wings.
• 1:31:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you the rest.
• 1:31:42
  SPEAKER_03: And the oxtails.
• 1:31:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:31:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he used like bacon edges, smoked bacon edges.
• 1:31:52
  SPEAKER_03: You have to do it a certain way.
• 1:31:54
  SPEAKER_00: Put them in a pot.
• 1:31:56
  SPEAKER_03: The way you wash it, the way you cut the cabbage.
• 1:32:00
  SPEAKER_00: Then he puts a certain amount of water in the cabbage.
• 1:32:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:32:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then he puts his cabbage in there.
• 1:32:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know how long he cooks it, but.
• 1:32:11
  SPEAKER_03: It always came out.
• 1:32:12
  SPEAKER_00: It always came out.
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_00: And crushed pepper seeds.
• 1:32:14
  SPEAKER_00: He would use crushed pepper seeds.
• 1:32:16
  SPEAKER_00: He'll put in there as well with a little bit of olive oil.
• 1:32:22
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like you said at the beginning of the conversation when you talked about
• 1:32:25
  SPEAKER_01: the importance of food growing up and food in the start of your relationship
• 1:32:31
  SPEAKER_01: with him.
• 1:32:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's always been important in our family.
• 1:32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Memory alive through the stories and the memories and the experience of food.
• 1:32:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:32:40
  SPEAKER_01: Which is a great thing.
• 1:32:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm wondering,
• 1:32:43
  SPEAKER_01: when your dad passed,
• 1:32:49
  SPEAKER_01: who reached out to you with a story of his impact that maybe surprised you the most?
• 1:32:58
  SPEAKER_01: There was a...
• 1:33:00
  SPEAKER_03: There was a kid I didn't know.
• 1:33:03
  SPEAKER_03: I heard about an impact he had on this young kid.
• 1:33:10
  SPEAKER_03: I don't remember his name.
• 1:33:17
  SPEAKER_03: They didn't reach out to us.
• 1:33:19
  SPEAKER_03: I had heard about it.
• 1:33:22
  SPEAKER_03: Dad, after every game,
• 1:33:25
  SPEAKER_03: not every game, but whenever he was there, would make time To see this kid.
• 1:33:31
  SPEAKER_03: I cannot remember his name.
• 1:33:32
  SPEAKER_02: Was it Kanji DeVito?
• 1:33:33
  SPEAKER_03: Not Kanji.
• 1:33:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, Kanji.
• 1:33:37
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I loved Kanji.
• 1:33:39
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't Kanji, but that was another kid that he...
• 1:33:43
  SPEAKER_03: He loved children.
• 1:33:46
  SPEAKER_03: And he gave a lot of time to children.
• 1:33:49
  SPEAKER_03: He did.
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_03: After the games, before the games.
• 1:33:53
  SPEAKER_03: When he's out, just out, and kids would come up to him.
• 1:33:57
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it was...
• 1:33:59
  SPEAKER_03: I cannot remember the kid's name, but he would give him a t-shirt, always hugging.
• 1:34:06
  SPEAKER_03: It was a huge impact on this young child because he was a special needs kid as well.
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_03: So, I mean, I don't know.
• 1:34:17
  SPEAKER_03: That was a good story
• 1:34:18
  SPEAKER_00: for me.
• 1:34:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:34:21
  SPEAKER_03: How about you?
• 1:34:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember.
• 1:34:25
  SPEAKER_03: We've heard so many stories from so many people.
• 1:34:28
  SPEAKER_00: I know the only story I have
• 1:34:33
  SPEAKER_00: was the day before he passed where I came over to
• 1:34:39
  SPEAKER_00: the house and I was sitting with him because he has a lounge.
• 1:34:45
  SPEAKER_00: I have a lounge chair next to his bed in the client chair.
• 1:34:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I would sit there and be with him.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_00: Almost every day.
• 1:34:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I was sitting there with him the night before he passed,
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_00: and we were watching basketball, NBA.
• 1:35:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I think we were watching the Sixers game, and then another game came on.
• 1:35:11
  SPEAKER_00: And it came to a point where I think it was a TNT game was on.
• 1:35:17
  SPEAKER_00: And then he looked over to me and he says,
• 1:35:21
  SPEAKER_00: He says, you better get home to your family.
• 1:35:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, and it was one, I looked at the time, it was about one o'clock in the morning.
• 1:35:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, Dad, you really want me to go?
• 1:35:33
  SPEAKER_00: He said, yeah, you better go be with your family.
• 1:35:35
  SPEAKER_00: He said, I'm tired of basketball.
• 1:35:38
  SPEAKER_00: Turn the TV off.
• 1:35:41
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 1:35:43
  SPEAKER_00: And you go at home.
• 1:35:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't think nothing of it.
• 1:35:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I went home that night.
• 1:35:51
  SPEAKER_00: And the next morning,
• 1:35:56
  SPEAKER_00: my sister called me because she was living there at the time.
• 1:36:00
  SPEAKER_00: And she says, John, John, I think Daddy passed.
• 1:36:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, he passed?
• 1:36:06
  SPEAKER_00: What do you mean he passed?
• 1:36:08
  SPEAKER_00: He said, I don't think he's breathing.
• 1:36:10
  SPEAKER_00: She says, well, what shall I do?
• 1:36:12
  SPEAKER_00: I said, well, call 911.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_00: I said, that's the first thing you do, call 911.
• 1:36:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I got dressed, and I immediately drove over there.
• 1:36:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like 15 minutes away.
• 1:36:24
  SPEAKER_00: And when I got there,
• 1:36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Dr., what's the doctor's name?
• 1:36:33
  SPEAKER_00: Scanlon.
• 1:36:33
  SPEAKER_00: Scanlon was there,
• 1:36:34
  SPEAKER_00: and I went over there,
• 1:36:37
  SPEAKER_00: and I saw him,
• 1:36:37
  SPEAKER_00: and he wasn't breathing,
• 1:36:38
  SPEAKER_00: and then The medics were there, and they told me that he passed.
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I was there probably the whole night.
• 1:36:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the whole day at the time.
• 1:36:58
  SPEAKER_00: But it was kind of ironic.
• 1:36:59
  SPEAKER_00: It was kind of the day before.
• 1:37:02
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if he knew he was going,
• 1:37:06
  SPEAKER_00: but he didn't want me to spend the night He wanted me to go home,
• 1:37:11
  SPEAKER_00: you know, because I was going to stay there and just fall asleep.
• 1:37:14
  SPEAKER_03: Like you always do.
• 1:37:15
  SPEAKER_03: Like I always do.
• 1:37:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'll sleep in that chair in the morning time.
• 1:37:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:37:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then leave in the morning.
• 1:37:21
  SPEAKER_00: But that particular time was kind of weird because it's
• 1:37:25
  SPEAKER_00: the first time he's ever said, I'm tired of basketball.
• 1:37:28
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 1:37:29
  SPEAKER_03: And turn the TV off.
• 1:37:30
  SPEAKER_00: And then turn the TV off.
• 1:37:32
  SPEAKER_00: Never.
• 1:37:32
  SPEAKER_00: So...
• 1:37:36
  SPEAKER_03: And a few nights before that, there was a Zoom with some of the former players.
• 1:37:44
  SPEAKER_03: And we were there for that.
• 1:37:46
  SPEAKER_03: And that was beautiful.
• 1:37:48
  SPEAKER_03: I remember Darren, Mike, Howie, Jerome.
• 1:37:56
  SPEAKER_03: Doing his Jay Norman bit.
• 1:37:58
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh, he was so funny.
• 1:38:00
  SPEAKER_03: But that was just beautiful, having them with him and watching him, talking to them.
• 1:38:10
  SPEAKER_03: And at the end, the team... That was his birthday.
• 1:38:13
  SPEAKER_00: It was his birthday.
• 1:38:14
  SPEAKER_00: Was it January 21st?
• 1:38:17
  SPEAKER_00: It was his birthday.
• 1:38:19
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
• 1:38:19
  SPEAKER_00: Remember we had everybody together on his birthday?
• 1:38:23
  SPEAKER_00: And we did a video, did the thing.
• 1:38:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I don't know if it was that year.
• 1:38:29
  SPEAKER_00: Was that
• 1:38:30
  SPEAKER_03: the one?
• 1:38:30
  SPEAKER_00: And then it was like two weeks after.
• 1:38:33
  SPEAKER_00: He passed like two weeks after that, right?
• 1:38:35
  SPEAKER_03: No, he passed away a few days after.
• 1:38:38
  SPEAKER_03: So no, it wasn't that.
• 1:38:40
  SPEAKER_03: But anyway, they did the team together.
• 1:38:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they said team together.
• 1:38:46
  SPEAKER_03: Chant, which was just special.
• 1:38:51
  SPEAKER_03: And then a few days later he passed.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was almost like he knew.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like you said, it was almost like he knew.
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  SPEAKER_03: He was ready.
• 1:38:59
  SPEAKER_03: Not that he knew, but maybe he was ready.
• 1:39:01
  SPEAKER_03: You know?
• 1:39:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:39:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: you hear these stories,
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  SPEAKER_01: because we're all at that point where we know people, we've lost people.
• 1:39:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:39:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I know of stories where the person wanted to be left alone.
• 1:39:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, of course there's the stories of surrounded by family,
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  SPEAKER_01: but there's also times I think,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, and if there's something, something to that, we don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're not going to know until it's that time for us.
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  SPEAKER_01: And even though we might not be cognizant of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do know this and it's just,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's, you know, I saw you getting a little choked up on the memory of that night.
• 1:39:46
  SPEAKER_01: I, um, It's such an odd thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, my father was sick for a while.
• 1:39:52
  SPEAKER_01: He'd had a bad stroke.
• 1:39:54
  SPEAKER_01: And he had 13 years after that where he was alive, but he was a very different person.
• 1:39:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then he ended up dying of lung cancer.
• 1:40:03
  SPEAKER_01: He was never a smoker.
• 1:40:04
  SPEAKER_01: He was a jazz musician.
• 1:40:06
  SPEAKER_01: He was in the clubs.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who knows what happened.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, when it was his time and he went and I wasn't there,
• 1:40:16
  SPEAKER_01: didn't cry.
• 1:40:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I've cried many times, missing my dad.
• 1:40:20
  SPEAKER_01: I miss my dad very much.
• 1:40:25
  SPEAKER_01: But when your dad died, and I heard, I broke down.
• 1:40:29
  SPEAKER_01: I remember I called my friend Amy, sobbing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know why.
• 1:40:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I knew your father.
• 1:40:36
  SPEAKER_01: I had interacted with him a number of times.
• 1:40:38
  SPEAKER_01: We weren't incredibly close, but I had met him many times over the years.
• 1:40:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I just felt like it was a part of my life.
• 1:40:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that...
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  SPEAKER_01: That was very special to me that was now gone.
• 1:40:52
  SPEAKER_01: And someone who was very special at a formative time for me.
• 1:40:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I can only imagine what it must have been like for you who were truly close
• 1:41:00
  SPEAKER_01: and family and all
• 1:41:02
  SPEAKER_00: of that.
• 1:41:02
  SPEAKER_00: It felt like it took something out of my life because I cried myself.
• 1:41:08
  SPEAKER_00: And it felt like a part of me is missing now because he passed away.
• 1:41:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's just something to Every time I think about him and when I go visit him,
• 1:41:24
  SPEAKER_00: you know, I feel his energy when I come to his grave site.
• 1:41:31
  SPEAKER_00: And it just makes me cry.
• 1:41:35
  SPEAKER_00: I know when he was buried that day, I sobbed all over the place.
• 1:41:39
  SPEAKER_00: I was crying all over the place.
• 1:41:41
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't, you know.
• 1:41:44
  SPEAKER_00: Even at the services, they wanted me to speak.
• 1:41:47
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't speak.
• 1:41:48
  SPEAKER_00: I was...
• 1:41:49
  SPEAKER_00: I was so full of emotion that I couldn't sit, I couldn't talk, I couldn't speak.
• 1:41:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it means a lot to us that, I mean,
• 1:42:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think this goes back to why John was so adamant about wanting to have the two
• 1:42:08
  SPEAKER_01: of you here.
• 1:42:09
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:42:09
  SPEAKER_01: To talk about your father.
• 1:42:11
  SPEAKER_01: His legacy was like, I know we're going to talk to you again.
• 1:42:13
  SPEAKER_01: I know there's going to be things that come up where we want to reference you in
• 1:42:17
  SPEAKER_01: and get your perspective as we hear stories from other people.
• 1:42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:42:22
  SPEAKER_01: What was John's take on that?
• 1:42:23
  SPEAKER_01: What was Maria's take on that?
• 1:42:25
  SPEAKER_01: And just all the great stuff about the rich legacy that...
• 1:42:32
  SPEAKER_01: Your father leaves that,
• 1:42:34
  SPEAKER_01: and we're,
• 1:42:34
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:42:34
  SPEAKER_01: we're excited to dig in and start this journey and couldn't be more thrilled
• 1:42:40
  SPEAKER_01: to have had time and you two to have taken your time.
• 1:42:45
  SPEAKER_01: We're so appreciative.
• 1:42:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you so much.
• 1:42:48
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for having us.
• 1:42:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, this was really fun doing this.
• 1:42:54
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it.
• 1:42:56
  SPEAKER_01: Before we wrap up,
• 1:42:58
  SPEAKER_01: we want to take a moment to thank some of the people
• 1:43:00
  SPEAKER_01: and organizations helping us tell the story of John Chaney.
• 1:43:05
  SPEAKER_01: Our advisory board has been with us from the beginning,
• 1:43:09
  SPEAKER_01: offering ideas,
• 1:43:10
  SPEAKER_01: introductions,
• 1:43:11
  SPEAKER_01: encouragement, and a shared commitment to preserving Coach Chaney's legacy.
• 1:43:17
  SPEAKER_01: So our thanks go out to Andrew Goldstein,
• 1:43:20
  SPEAKER_01: John Chaney Jr.,
• 1:43:21
  SPEAKER_01: Kenny Holtzman,
• 1:43:22
  SPEAKER_01: Kevin Nagandi,
• 1:43:24
  SPEAKER_01: Larry Rosen,
• 1:43:25
  SPEAKER_01: Mark Zumhoff, Maria Chaney, Mary Ellen Driscoll, Mike Jensen, and Mike Kern.
• 1:43:32
  SPEAKER_02: We're also incredibly grateful for the places that have opened their doors to The Chaney Pod.
• 1:43:36
  SPEAKER_02: We want to thank Philadelphia Youth Basketball,
• 1:43:39
  SPEAKER_02: which has generously provided us with the use of the David
• 1:43:41
  SPEAKER_02: and Rhonda Cohen Media Studio,
• 1:43:43
  SPEAKER_02: which is located in the amazing Alan Horwood Six-Man Center.
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_02: Philadelphia Youth Basketball is doing extraordinary work using basketball
• 1:43:50
  SPEAKER_02: a vehicle to help young people grow and thrive,
• 1:43:52
  SPEAKER_02: and we're grateful to Kenny Holzman and the entire team there,
• 1:43:56
  SPEAKER_02: especially Flora Feldman and Nahaji Cross, for making us feel so welcome.
• 1:44:00
  SPEAKER_01: We also want to thank the Fox School of Business at Temple University for the use
• 1:44:04
  SPEAKER_01: of its podcast studio,
• 1:44:06
  SPEAKER_01: and especially my dear friend of over 40 years,
• 1:44:09
  SPEAKER_01: Tom Lennon, for his help and support.
• 1:44:13
  SPEAKER_01: And a very special thank you to Jeff Yurkan.
• 1:44:15
  SPEAKER_01: Without you, no me.
• 1:44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Honoring the Legacy of Jimmy Heath, released by BCM&D Records.
• 1:44:47
  SPEAKER_01: The Temple University Jazz Band,
• 1:44:49
  SPEAKER_01: under the direction of acclaimed trumpeter and educator Terrell Stafford,
• 1:44:54
  SPEAKER_01: Temple's Director of Jazz Studies,
• 1:44:56
  SPEAKER_01: is one of the country's premier collegiate jazz ensembles and
• 1:45:00
  SPEAKER_01: a two-time national champion at jazz at Lincoln Center.
• 1:45:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's right, John.
• 1:45:06
  SPEAKER_01: Temple University's jazz band has won not just one, but two natties.
• 1:45:11
  SPEAKER_01: Think about that.
• 1:45:12
  SPEAKER_01: We're incredibly proud to have this extraordinary piece of music associated with The Chaney Pod.
• 1:45:18
  SPEAKER_02: And a big thank you as well to our wonderful interns and production team,
• 1:45:21
  SPEAKER_02: both past and present,
• 1:45:23
  SPEAKER_02: who have given their time,
• 1:45:24
  SPEAKER_02: energy, and talent to help make this project all that it can be.
• 1:45:27
  SPEAKER_02: So thank you to Pat Dallahan, Danny Leakin, and Max Blakelock.
• 1:45:31
  SPEAKER_02: And thanks,
• 1:45:32
  SPEAKER_02: of course,
• 1:45:33
  SPEAKER_02: to all of you for listening and helping us keep Coach Chaney's stories
• 1:45:36
  SPEAKER_02: and lessons alive.
• 1:45:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Michael Einbinder-Schatz.
• 1:45:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm John DeCarlo.
• 1:45:41
  SPEAKER_01: If you enjoyed this episode,
• 1:45:43
  SPEAKER_01: please follow The Chaney Pod,
• 1:45:45
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• 1:45:48
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• 1:45:53
  SPEAKER_01: the additional stories and material we'll be sharing along the way.
• 1:45:57
  SPEAKER_02: The Chaney Pod is a Manjoba LLC production.
• 1:46:00
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for listening.
• 1:46:01
  SPEAKER_02: We'll see you next time.
• 1:46:03
  SPEAKER_01: John, as a special treat today,
• 1:46:05
  SPEAKER_01: we're going to leave our listeners with the full recording of The Wise Old Al
• 1:46:09
  SPEAKER_01: for John Chaney.
• 1:46:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 1:46:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just intro or outro music today.
• 1:46:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's the full song played by the Temple University Jazz Band.
• 1:46:18
  SPEAKER_01: Wonderful recording.
• 1:46:20
  SPEAKER_01: Enjoy.
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  [music]
• 1:52:19
  SPEAKER_03: Music.
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  [music]