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Female Firsts: Hariette Shelton Dover · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome stuff. I
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  Speaker 1: never told you, but actually I heart rate you. And
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  Speaker 1: it is time for another edition of Female First, which
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  Speaker 1: means we are once again joined by the resilience the
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  Speaker 1: definitely not probably not a zombie thieves.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome, Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: I do not wish to be a zombie, so I.
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  Speaker 4: Do not wish.
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  Speaker 3: I just want everybody to know that I don't want
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  Speaker 3: that for myself.
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  Speaker 1: That's a fair caveat. We should probably explain you have
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  Speaker 1: been feeling ill for a little bit, right, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: And we were discussing before and there are just some
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  Speaker 1: things that my horror movie Braid was like, this sounds
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  Speaker 1: a little like zombie.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, And I was trying to reassure Annie that I'm
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  Speaker 3: not a zombie. I'm not like infected by any spores,
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  Speaker 3: because I know that I got whatever illness that I
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  Speaker 3: had from the cleaning I was doing in the dust
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  Speaker 3: that was kicked up from that cleaning, and.
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  Speaker 4: My body was trying to expel it.
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  Speaker 3: I was pretty sick, had to fever all kinds of
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  Speaker 3: symptoms for a week, and it really took me out.
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  Speaker 3: But like I'm here now, I feel fully alive.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like, I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: Going to try to like eat anybody. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not going to attack anybody. I don't have any of
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  Speaker 3: those feelings right now. I don't feel inherently changed, you know.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like I would say that
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  Speaker 4: if I was a zombie.
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  Speaker 3: But at the same time, I'm I'm I'm all here,
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  Speaker 3: So I think we're okay.
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  Speaker 5: Thus far, you're all here. I will say, maybe you
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  Speaker 5: just allergic to cleaning. Just say it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, that sounds like such a like you're.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to get somebody to clean and they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm allergic.
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  Speaker 2: I can't do that.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, there are so many different allergies, many
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  Speaker 3: of them surprising and like necessary to like things people
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  Speaker 3: are allergic to that seem like they would be necessary
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  Speaker 3: to functioning in.
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  Speaker 4: Life, and I like, I it probably exists.
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  Speaker 3: Like I don't want to say that that doesn't exist,
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  Speaker 3: because I know for my thing I was, I.
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  Speaker 4: Was quote unquote allergic to exercise.
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  Speaker 3: That's like why I would start itching when I would
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  Speaker 3: have exercise induced art carria.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, so I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: That's true though, right because some people get the I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's asthma, but also like sweat and you itch and
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I did that one time. My face blew up.
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  Speaker 5: My roommate got real scared. She's like, I gotta, I
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  Speaker 5: gotta get you some bena drill. I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you gotta give you some benda drill.
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  Speaker 2: Benadrill. I once at a very very severe.
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  Speaker 1: Allergic reaction, and through a comedy of errors that could
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  Speaker 1: have gone really terribly, I couldn't get to a doctor,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, I just took some vinadryl and I was like.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully this doesn't and it did. So now Vinadil is
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  Speaker 2: a thing that I always carry.
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  Speaker 4: With It does help. It does help. Are good reminders
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  Speaker 4: of how fragile we are as humans.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, hey, can't handle a little pollen?
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  Speaker 2: Just a reminder it's everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's like completely necessary to the sustenance of life.
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  Speaker 4: But can it kill you?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that's.
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  Speaker 2: That's the fun and misery of it all.
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  Speaker 1: Well, have you been up to anything other than being
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  Speaker 1: sick since we last spoke?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, since we last spoke, I believe so. I'm really
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  Speaker 3: trying to remember it because we're in May now. I
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  Speaker 3: think the last time we spoke that was after I
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  Speaker 3: went to Guatemala. I think I have been I've been
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  Speaker 3: kind of chill since then.
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  Speaker 4: I have really been about staying.
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  Speaker 3: In place and I like have been just like with
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  Speaker 3: my head down working. So I don't really think there
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  Speaker 3: are many updates since.
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  Speaker 4: The last time we spoke.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I feel like you could have a hole. Where
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  Speaker 1: in the world is ease, Like I never know what
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna say when we asked this, so it's great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I need I needed to stay. I need
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  Speaker 3: to keep my feet on solid ground for a second,
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  Speaker 3: and I still do. And I have some travel coming up,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like, like this week, next week, a lot
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  Speaker 3: of travel. I just I signed myself up for more travel.
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  Speaker 3: I just got where today. There is a lottery for
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  Speaker 3: seeing synchronized fireflies in the Great Smoking Mollins, and I
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  Speaker 3: got got into the lottery, so I finally get to
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  Speaker 3: see them after wanting to see them at a different
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  Speaker 3: national park for a minute that I always forget the
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  Speaker 3: lottery for every year, and I'm like, dang it, I
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  Speaker 3: always miss it, and I missed it again this year
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  Speaker 3: after setting a reminder. But then I was like, I
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  Speaker 3: could just do it in a smoking mountains. I realized that.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, but like I keep this, this month is
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  Speaker 3: very like jam packed of like family obligations, graduation things
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  Speaker 3: like that. So I've been really feeling like I need
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  Speaker 3: to stay here and when I do go away, it's
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  Speaker 3: got to be for a little bit of a time,
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of time, because I'm about to like
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  Speaker 3: be gone for a little bit in June.
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  Speaker 2: Well, congratulations, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 4: I'm jealous.
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  Speaker 5: I forgot about that because I had a really good
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  Speaker 5: friend who was a hiking enthusiast and love to do
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  Speaker 5: camping and hikes, and they're like, we have to come back.
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  Speaker 5: You will love.
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  Speaker 2: This is magical.
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  Speaker 5: Man.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's gonna I can't wait to hear about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be like a Miyazaki movie, is kind
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  Speaker 3: of what I'm imagining. I don't know, but yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 3: excited that I finally remembered because I was always I
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  Speaker 3: would try to sign up for the one in Congree
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  Speaker 3: in South Carolina. That's the National park in South Carolina,
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  Speaker 3: and they have it there as well, but it was
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  Speaker 3: just before the one in the Great Smoking Mountains, and
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  Speaker 3: I was right on time and remembering, So I got
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  Speaker 3: to sign up for the lottery unfortunately got in, So.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm so cool.
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  Speaker 3: And also, if anybody else listening knows about any sort
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  Speaker 3: of like specific natural phenomenon that only happens ever so
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  Speaker 3: often in like whatever landscape terrain where you are, please
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  Speaker 3: let me know, because I'm trying to find more things
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  Speaker 3: like this and it's kind of hard to google. I
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  Speaker 3: tried to google it, but the Internet has no idea
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  Speaker 3: what my request is.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm gonna say, I guess I'm like videos from
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  Speaker 5: my fyp or TikTok and such, but it's always like
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  Speaker 5: a week after it. I was like, well, damn, yeah
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  Speaker 5: that happened.
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  Speaker 3: Y's unfortunately what happens to me. It's like you're not
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  Speaker 3: working algorithm.
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  Speaker 4: Right, like this this is not the way works, right.
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  Speaker 1: You have bought us quite a wide ranging story today,
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  Speaker 1: So who are we talking about today, Eaves?
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  Speaker 3: Today we're talking about Harriet Shelton Dover. And I actually
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  Speaker 3: this was born from travel because I was looking for
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  Speaker 3: people in Washington and the n the Seattle area, and
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  Speaker 3: I also wanted to talk about more indigenous people in
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  Speaker 3: these female first episodes, so like it really worked out well,
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  Speaker 3: but this actually was born of travel, So yeah, we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about Harriet Shelton Dover today and she was the
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  Speaker 3: first woman chair of the tu Lalap Tribes Board of Directors.
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  Speaker 3: And also in Harriet's autobiography, she also says that she
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  Speaker 3: thinks that what she wrote was the first history of
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  Speaker 3: tu Lalap written by a t Lalup Indian. So that
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  Speaker 3: is another first that she said that she had. And
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  Speaker 3: I said Indian because she preferred to use the terms
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  Speaker 3: Indian and American Indian throughout the episode. Whenever that comes up,
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  Speaker 3: I'll probably say Native American or Indigenous people or something
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  Speaker 3: like that. But Harriet herself did prefer to use those terms.
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  Speaker 1: And she she did all kinds of stuff. She really
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  Speaker 1: really I was reading, like whoa, and so now we're
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  Speaker 1: over here. Now we're over here, so let's get into it, Eves.
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  Speaker 1: Can I start with the history?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So Harriet was born on November nineteenth, nineteen oh
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  Speaker 3: four to William Shelton and Rusi Home. They were from
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  Speaker 3: different tribes, but Harriet herself was born on the Tulalp
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  Speaker 3: Reservation at Mission Beach in Tulaylp Bay and that's near Marysville, Washington.
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  Speaker 3: So the Tulalip Tribes are a confederation that includes Snowhomish,
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  Speaker 3: sky Comish, snowcall Me and Minnie, other tribes that were
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  Speaker 3: successors to the ones that signed the Treaty of Point
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  Speaker 3: Elliott in eighteen fifty five. So her dad was also
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  Speaker 3: the last hereditary Snahomish tribal chief in Tulaylup. He worked
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  Speaker 3: at the local mill and as a general mechanic, but
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  Speaker 3: he was also just a very important person.
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  Speaker 4: And did lots of community work.
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  Speaker 3: Harriet was the youngest of six children, and she said
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  Speaker 3: that her home as a child was a three roomhouse
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  Speaker 3: that her father called a cottage, and it was on
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  Speaker 3: the old tu Laylap Mission school grounds, so her father
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  Speaker 3: had a history going to the mission school, but once
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  Speaker 3: once Harriet was in the picture, the school was no
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  Speaker 3: longer in existence. Harriet mostly spoke the Snahomish dialect of
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  Speaker 3: the Coast Salish language. In her younger years, as a child,
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  Speaker 3: she would collect firewood, pick bear. She learned to do
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  Speaker 3: things that her family taught her how to do that
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  Speaker 3: were traditional, like she learned to smoke salmon, and she
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  Speaker 3: was baptized as a Catholic, but Native Americans couldn't go
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  Speaker 3: to public schools and her dad didn't want her to
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  Speaker 3: go to the mission school, so Harriet ended up going
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  Speaker 3: to the Reservations government run to Leila boarding School when
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  Speaker 3: she was seven years old. And there is a lot
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  Speaker 3: that's said about her experiences at the boarding school.
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  Speaker 4: She talks about it in her autobiography.
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  Speaker 3: It was standard that like all the students were assigned
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  Speaker 3: in ID number Harriet's was thirty three. They wore uniforms.
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  Speaker 3: They started the day with the roll call and exercise
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  Speaker 3: and ended at nine pm sharp. They would have like
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  Speaker 3: inspections on Saturdays. They couldn't speak their native languages at
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  Speaker 3: the boarding school. And I was watching there is a
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  Speaker 3: short documentary about Harriet, and there's a clip in there
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  Speaker 3: of her of an interview with Harriet, and she is
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  Speaker 3: talking about an experience that she had when she was
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  Speaker 3: nine years old and a friend and her were speaking
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  Speaker 3: in her native language and they got in trouble for it,
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  Speaker 3: so they were like whispering to each other. They were
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  Speaker 3: overheard and she was beaten from her neck to her ankles,
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  Speaker 3: So the back of her neck to her ankles is
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  Speaker 3: how they describe it.
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  Speaker 4: So she was hit pretty hard.
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  Speaker 3: It was described that like in her tribal culture, it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't the case that the kids were like punished in ways.
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  Speaker 3: There wasn't There wasn't really physical punishment. There were no
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  Speaker 3: beatings as part of punishment and raising a child and
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  Speaker 3: disciplining them. But it was in her school, and she
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  Speaker 3: seems to have been very affected by that beating, like
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  Speaker 3: she says she remembers it to that day and said
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  Speaker 3: that she was really hurt by it to that day.
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  Speaker 3: So it definitely affected her. But I would imagine more
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  Speaker 3: so because it was because she was speaking her language,
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  Speaker 3: and the way she described it was like I love
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  Speaker 3: the language it was, it sounded great. I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: speak it with her at that time, And it was
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  Speaker 3: for that simple fact that they were beat for it.
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  Speaker 3: But in February of nineteen seventeen, Harriet's sister Ruth was
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  Speaker 3: sent home because she was sick. Harriet soon also got
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  Speaker 3: sick and was sent home. Ruth unfortunately died of tuberculosis
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  Speaker 3: in May. Harriet got better, but she ended up kind
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  Speaker 3: of lagging on her education. She finished at the boarding
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  Speaker 3: school in nineteen twenty two. When she got out of
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  Speaker 3: the boarding school, she says in her autobiography, she was
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  Speaker 3: like she swore she was never going back to church
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  Speaker 3: again because she had been in church all the time
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  Speaker 3: and was praying all the time. Her mother was pretty devout,
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  Speaker 3: and she was disappointed because you know, her mother was
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  Speaker 3: in church every Sunday, and Harriet was like, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: doing that again. But Harriet did say that there was
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  Speaker 3: a lot of pressure on the Native Americans from the Christians.
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  Speaker 3: This is a quote from her autobiography. Harriet said, those poor,
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  Speaker 3: misguided people, they were bound and determined to save all
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  Speaker 3: of our miserable souls. If people have heard anything about
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  Speaker 3: this time period and about how Native Americans were treated
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  Speaker 3: by white folks and by Christians, it was a lot
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  Speaker 3: of talk and action of trying to civilize people in
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  Speaker 3: Native American tribes, trying to get them to assimilate, punishing
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  Speaker 3: them for taking part in their traditional culture, in their religions,
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  Speaker 3: in their language, in the clothing that they were wearing,
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  Speaker 3: in actions that they were taking, like what they did
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  Speaker 3: as far as lifestyle, making them farmers, things like that.
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  Speaker 4: There was a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: Doing their best to do in harmful ways separate them
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  Speaker 3: from all aspects of their traditional identities. So that was
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  Speaker 3: part of that. And Harriet briefly talked about that from
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  Speaker 3: a religious perspective in her autobiography. But Harriet did end
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  Speaker 3: up graduating from Everett High School in nineteen twenty six,
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  Speaker 3: and she said that high school was a better experience
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  Speaker 3: than boarding school was. She didn't care for the boarding
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  Speaker 3: school experience that much, but it was definitely formative, a
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  Speaker 3: formative time for her. So Harriet had dreams of going
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  Speaker 3: to college, but she didn't end up going to college
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  Speaker 3: at this time. Okay, that's a little bit of foreshadowing.
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  Speaker 3: So she was involved in her community though, as we
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  Speaker 3: said earlier, her father was also very involved in the community.
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  Speaker 3: By nineteen twenty three, her brother Robert was working with
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  Speaker 3: the to lay Up Improvement Club and he was preparing
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  Speaker 3: claims and complaints against the government about fraudulent sales of
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  Speaker 3: native land. There are lots of fishing rights and lack
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  Speaker 3: of medical care. And Harriet would type up the testimonies
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  Speaker 3: of elderly natives and she recorded meeting minutes. So she
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  Speaker 3: was already working as this kind of to Laylup historian,
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  Speaker 3: gathering stories, documenting people's stories. In nineteen twenty six, she
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  Speaker 3: met Francis aka Frank Williams at a dance event in Seattle. Now,
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  Speaker 3: Harriet's mom was a little concerned that Harriet didn't know
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  Speaker 3: him well enough, but the two of them, Frank and
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  Speaker 3: Harriet still got married in July nineteen twenty six. Only
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  Speaker 3: Francis's cousin was a witness.
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  Speaker 4: For their marriage.
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  Speaker 3: Harriet's parents were not there, but they still moved into
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  Speaker 3: an apartment together, and later in nineteen twenty eight, they
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  Speaker 3: had a son together named Wayne Williams. But it didn't
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  Speaker 3: seem like she had the best experience in their marriage.
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  Speaker 4: She was.
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  Speaker 3: Described as being lonely, homesick. Sometimes Frank would send money
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  Speaker 3: to his mother, but it didn't seem.
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  Speaker 4: Like Harriet was always so supported.
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  Speaker 3: He had a temper apparently didn't always trust her while
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  Speaker 3: he was away working. But their marriage was strained, is
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  Speaker 3: what it came down to. They didn't end up divorcing
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  Speaker 3: at this time, but they did divorce many years later.
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  Speaker 3: When Harriet's brother died in nineteen thirty, suddenly the Snahomis
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  Speaker 3: tribe voted Harriet in to replace him as secretary. Eventually
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  Speaker 3: the org became the Northwest Federation of American Indians. Then
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  Speaker 3: it was the Tu Layla Tribal Council, and that Council
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  Speaker 3: focused on bettering Native environments and welfare, and at that
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  Speaker 3: point it had five members, but then it evolved to
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  Speaker 3: become the Board of Directors and it had seven members.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, so Frank.
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  Speaker 3: Before they ended up getting divorce, Frank had gotten a
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  Speaker 3: job with the Washington State Ferry System, but then he
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  Speaker 3: ended up getting laid off. Technology was changing, the old
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  Speaker 3: steamships were being phased out, and Harriet ended up moving
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  Speaker 3: back in with her parents. So all the while, Harriet
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  Speaker 3: is working different jobs, and eventually she was elected to
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  Speaker 3: serve on the Tulalup Tribe's Board of Directors. So she
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  Speaker 3: served on the board from nineteen thirty eight to nineteen
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  Speaker 3: forty two, then nineteen forty four to nineteen forty six,
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  Speaker 3: and later nineteen five to nineteen fifty one. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so Harriet's also working. She's working different jobs over the
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  Speaker 3: course of this year. So she was at a job
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  Speaker 3: at a restaurant in Seattle that was called Twin Tpe's,
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  Speaker 3: which had a lot of like cheesy Native American themed decor.
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  Speaker 3: In September of nineteen forty two to around nineteen forty five,
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  Speaker 3: she was working a job at the Boeing plant in Seattle,
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  Speaker 3: but she also served as the chair on the board
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  Speaker 3: of directors for a year in about nineteen forty five
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  Speaker 3: or nineteen forty six, and this is her first and
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  Speaker 3: made her the first Native American woman.
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  Speaker 4: To be in that position.
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  Speaker 3: She was also working at a post office on the reservation.
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  Speaker 3: By nineteen forty nine she was and this is where
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  Speaker 3: she met a man named Joe George Dover, because he
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  Speaker 3: would come by to pick up mail for his family members,
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  Speaker 3: and once again Harriet's family members didn't really approve of George,
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  Speaker 3: but she still married him.
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  Speaker 4: In nineteen fifty.
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  Speaker 3: They had a son named William Dover and they stayed
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  Speaker 3: married until George's death in nineteen sixty nine. So she
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  Speaker 3: Harriet did a lot. So she also served as a
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  Speaker 3: tribal judge. Nineteen fifty one, she served on the Marysville
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  Speaker 3: School Board. She was also a teacher's aide and electoral
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  Speaker 3: Native American culture so she would go to different classrooms
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  Speaker 3: and talk about her culture and bring some of her
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  Speaker 3: artifacts along with her. She was the first pta president
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  Speaker 3: at Talala Elementary School after it opened thanks to her
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  Speaker 3: donating some of her own land. She was also a
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  Speaker 3: member of the Seattle Historical Society, and she gave testimony
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  Speaker 3: for United States versus Washington Phase one in nineteen seventy three,
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  Speaker 3: which was a salmon fishing rights case. And so one notable,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of stuff is notable about her legacy,
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  Speaker 3: but one really big thing that she did was the
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: salmon ceremony that they held there in their tribe was outlawed,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: but Harriet was involved in bringing back the tradition.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: So in nineteen seventy Harriet.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: And a group of other people gathered to talk about
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: the salmon ceremony and bringing it back. They met for
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: several weeks, so Harriet herself hadn't been at it and
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: put on a salmon ceremony before, but as the group
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: of people, they were collectively gathering information that they had,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: so what they remembered growing up, what they knew of
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: and heard of their family doing, they would get together
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: and talk about it. They ended up finalizing the run
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: of ceremony based on what they could remember their families
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: would do. And then Harriet went to a board of
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: directors meeting and the board said that they would appropriate
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: some money for the ceremony. Said it was basically like
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: she was like, okay, it's official. Now, this must happen.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Harriet and the other planners determined that they would hold
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: the ceremony in June when it was high tide, and
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: they did so. She was instrumental in bringing the salmon
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: ceremony back. In her autobiography, it was mentioned that Harriet
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: didn't really want to include her role in bringing the
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: salmon ceremony back, and that was because she didn't want
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: to sound like she.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Was gloating about it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: It seemed like she was pretty she was pretty reserved
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: about certain things, or like to be modest about certain things.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Because it's also mentioned in her autobiography that like she
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: preferred to speak in the passive voice rather than the
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: active voice. So in general, her speaking her own tribal
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: language was a big part of how she saw the world.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: She cared about it a lot, and it was instrumental
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: at understanding how she interacted with people and communicate it
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: with people. So like, the way that she would prefer
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: to speak was in passive voice because active voice felt
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: a little bit to direct for her, and that was
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: something that was taken into consideration as they were figuring
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: out how to put the autobiography together. But anyway, we'll
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: come back to the autobiography in just a moment. But
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy six, Harriett ended up going to Everett
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Community College, And at first she was like, it's been
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: a long time since I've been in school. It's been
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: like fifty years, Like I can go back to college.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Do I want to go back to college? But she
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: did end up going back for a few reasons. At
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: this point, tribal members could enroll at the local community
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: college and be funded by the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: The federal government could no longer keep tribal members from
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: getting an education at these colleges due to change in
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: the relocation and termination programs, and Harriet wanted to be
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: a role modeled to.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Young folks in this regard.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: And she also wanted more education so that she would
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: be able to write a history of the Tlala Reservation.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: So she majored in anthropology and history, and she took
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: classes with Darlene Fitzpatrick. They ended up developing a friendship
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: and Darlene helped Harriet in the recording, editing, organizing the
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: narratives for her life for the autobiography. So Darlene also
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: is talks about Harriet in the autobiography if you read it,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: but Yeah. Harriet graduated with her associates degree in nineteen
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: seventy eight and she was on the council for about
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: fourteen years. Over the years, she also worked as a
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: domestic servant for families. She would also speak with people
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: on other reservations about how their lives were and how
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: they were changed after the treaties were signed. She collected
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: materials about Tulayla history and she did research and she
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: began working on the manuscript for the book around nineteen
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: eighty one, and they were taping her narratives for a
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: couple of years. And in her later life, Harriet spent
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: time teaching other people her language, Lashutsi, and she did
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: a catered a lot of her time to going out
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: in the community and making sure that her language and
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: cultural history were preserved. She did end up getting breast
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: cancer and she died when she was eighty six years
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: old in February of nineteen ninety one. So many of
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: the Shelton family's artifacts are at the Hebub Cultural Center,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: and Harriet's life is documented in the book To Lay
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Up from My Heart, an autobiographical account of a reservation community. Yeah,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: it's work. It's a book that was published after she
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: passed away, but it was also in her own words
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: because she was able to document that and record it
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: before she passed away, So it seems to be like
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: it's a real treasure. As I said at the beginning
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: of the episode, she said that it was, you know,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: the only one written by like the other accounts of
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: t Laylap were written by white people basically, so she
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: said that it was the first history of to Lalap
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: written by a t Lalem Indian. So definitely worth reading
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: and an amazing thing to have because it's like clear
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: how much love and thoughtfulness was put into the autobiography,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: even down to the way that they like the syntax
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: of it, in the way that they structured sentences because
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: she liked to speak in longer sentences and really disliked
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: short sentences, and so because of that reason, they wrote
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: the more longer sentences in the book. And also they
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: were really thoughtful about how they were presenting the timeline,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: so she didn't really want to do it completely chronologic.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Even though there was a little bit of pushback from
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: the publisher in that way, they really felt it was
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: necessary to be because of the way time is interwoven.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: In the way that they think about time necessary to.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Not go on.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: In a linear chronological fashion, but instead documented how Harriet
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: would have documented it, which is saying, well, this is
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: this is a topic, this is something that happened at
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: one moment in time, but this is the history of it,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: or this is what it links back to in my
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: history and in in our history. And that's evident through
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: the way that they like they organized the autobiography. So, yes,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Harriet had a rich history and it is documented in
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: the autobiography and the documentary that you can find online
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: about her.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I love that the autobiography exists because having that in
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: her own words. We've talked about that so many times
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: about how valuable that is. But I'm also a huge
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: language nerd, so I love how I love thinking about
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, about how you're the language shapes
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the way you think.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: And that's not to say you can.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: You can think outside of that, but it is really
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: interesting how it shapes your thoughts. And so I'm really
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: glad that she was a force and we're gonna make
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: sure this language and this traditions and these cultures and
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: all of that all right, which were erased and like
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: this are attempted to be a raised in this horrible way,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Like We're going to make sure that they're preserved.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do everything I can to make sure
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: that they're preserved.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: So I'm just grateful that it's one of those things,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: just like I hate that she had to do it,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: but I'm grateful that she was there to do it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: It's interesting because we've talked about the extinct languages, especially
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: when it comes to native native languages and how they
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: have been forcefully erased and being taken out altogether, like
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: just forgotten. And I love that she had the foresight
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: because honestly, it took a lot of other people a
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: lot longer to realize what was happening. Espere, she understood
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: pretty quickly what was going down and what the white
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: people were doing. They're like, yeah, they're trying to erase
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: us initially, and just talking about how important it was
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: to preserve that. Also, she is an obvious writer. She's like, no,
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: this can't be this can't be chronological order. We need
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: we need, we need to change this up. It has
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: to be different. I'm like, oh, oh, so you're not
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: just a teacher historian, You're a storyteller so much among
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: the Native peoples and understanding this is how it goes,
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: and I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I want to write it
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: this way. Also, I'm a big fan of long sentences.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: As we can tell, I have too.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, me too. Yeah.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: And she also talks about in her autobiography how like
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: she learned things because they were passed down orally, and
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: that's also how she was like transmitting her story. And yeah,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I think it's also just really inspirational to see people
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: who are committed to preserving history, because that's not everybody
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: that like thinks about in real time what something's value
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: is in the long term. You have to have like
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: a really long long view on things to think about that.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: So it's like, Okay, I have this belt, and I
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: saved it because I know that it's going to be
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: important to the preservation of our my my tribes, my
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: community's cultural history, and that that should be saved for
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: other people in the future to enjoy and also for
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: them to be able to learn about their own history
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: because that's because it's important. It's so easy to just
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: go on about your life you know, have it be
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: wrote and not in real time. Understand the weight of
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: artifacts and the weight of how things are changing, because
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: I imagine over the course of her life she saw a
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: lot of change. She experienced a lot of change, and
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: she also heard about a lot of change from her
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: elders and from her grandparents. She said in her books
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: she was like, yeah, my parents loved me, but like
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: I had like three grandmothers who lived in the area
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: like close to me, and they just really loved on me,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: is what she said.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: So you know, she had a lot of She had.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: A lot of clearly respect and reverence for preserving cultural history.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: And it's so.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: It's so important to have people who come to that
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: calling because if it weren't for them, then this wouldn't
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: exist in the first place. And I imagine she inspired
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: many other people to do similar kind of preservation and
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: historical work angle and continue the quest for education and
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: knowledge no matter how old you are in life. Was clearly,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: you know, part of a way that she she inspired people.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's really that's a nice part
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: of her legacy to reflect on, right.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: No, that's just such amazing, Like we just celebrated Mother's Day,
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: and that's kind of that tale of like showing love
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: shows it comes out differently, and sharing your heritage and
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: being proud of your heritage and your background and wanting
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: to make sure that it's preserved through your children and
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: that your children can learn that love as well as
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: a way like that's so beautiful.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, touching, Yeah, it really is.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: It takes it takes dedication. Uh, this is not the
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: same level. But I remember when the pandemic first happened,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to document all of this.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna everything, and like two weeks later, I was like,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: so much.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Got on the field.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: I'll tell them about the fields.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: But it is what it is like it takes like
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: not only the foresight and the like caring, but it
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: is work.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: That is work and dedication.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: So I'm glad that she was there to do it
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and that we could have this conversation today. Eves as always,
• 33:36
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• 33:41
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• 33:44
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