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358: Sister Wives Rewind - Meri Makes Amends (S10 E7) · Reality TV Cringe

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Reality TV Cringe, the podcast. I
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  Speaker 1: am one of your hosts, Delia, and I'm here with
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  Speaker 1: my real tight homegirl and my beautiful daughter-in-law, Beatrice. That's me.
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  Speaker 1: We are here to talk sister wives, honey. We are
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  Speaker 1: currently in our rewind era, which means we are in
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  Speaker 1: season 10. Yeah. The family is flying too high. Hawaii
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  Speaker 1: for their Hawaiian vacation, which I guess is going to
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  Speaker 1: be full of drama.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait.
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  Speaker 1: Next week, not this week. We'll have to get through
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  Speaker 1: this week to get to that.
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  Speaker 1: So thank you. In. Good fan. Thank you. Do we
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  Speaker 1: even want to do takeaways? I mean, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I have a takeaway.
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  Speaker 2: Girl, I'm just like, I'm bored.
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  Speaker 1: I'm bored too. And there's only one other episode. The
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  Speaker 1: next episode is a behind the scenes with Cody Brown.
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  Speaker 1: And we're not going to cover that.
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  Speaker 2: I could care less.
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  Speaker 1: And so the next episode will be, I think, eight
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  Speaker 1: full episodes. Yeah. For season 10. So it's a really
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  Speaker 1: short season, huh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Because I'm wondering if they're trying to like trim
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  Speaker 2: out some of the drama or something or save it
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  Speaker 2: for season 11.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I don't know what's coming up in season 11
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  Speaker 1: that's so drama-licious.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know either.
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  Speaker 1: Other than Leon and Mary. Oh, also, well, Tony. Too
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  Speaker 1: many titles, Tony. This episode was our first mention of Tony.
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  Speaker 2: That was pretty great.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe it's the wedding and then McKelty with her
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  Speaker 1: wedding demands. Yeah. And the second mortgage of it all. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so I can't wait. Yeah, me too. For season 11.
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  Speaker 1: So without further ado, though, let's get into this recap
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  Speaker 1: of season 10, episode 13. seven uh-huh a tattoo to
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  Speaker 1: mary makes amends does she kinda.
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  Speaker 2: Does she does she i mean she painted some trees.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody was really feeling that least of all cody.
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  Speaker 2: That was pretty crazy.
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  Speaker 1: And the second to cody would be leon leon with
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  Speaker 1: their attitude not feeling it at all.
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  Speaker 2: This episode was kind of all over the place honestly
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  Speaker 2: we start off with like a recap of ariela may
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  Speaker 2: who's like a few weeks old or something and She's
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  Speaker 2: such a magical, wonderful baby. She's got this like calming effect.
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  Speaker 2: Like everyone who's around her just goes to sleep. She's
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  Speaker 2: so amazing. She makes me feel safe.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but I feel safe.
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  Speaker 2: I feel so safe. I feel so safe with her.
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  Speaker 2: And Robin wants us to know that she's a little
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  Speaker 2: nervous about bringing this little baby on a plane to Hawaii.
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  Speaker 2: And she's just not sure if she's going to go.
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  Speaker 2: And so then it's like this you know, lingering thing
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  Speaker 2: throughout the episode. Is Robin going to go to Hawaii?
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  Speaker 1: Nobody wants you to go anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Stay home, bitch.
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  Speaker 1: Sidebar. What do you think of like parents who take
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  Speaker 1: their three month old, two month old child on a
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  Speaker 1: plane for, I mean, what is this from Vegas? So
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  Speaker 1: from LA to Hawaii is like five hours. So we're
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  Speaker 1: talking probably if they're doing a stopover, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be like a huge day. But if they're going, it's
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  Speaker 1: a straight shot. It's probably eight hours. Yeah. You're taking
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  Speaker 1: a little baby. On an eight hour flight, the baby's
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  Speaker 1: going to be crying the entire time. You're going to
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  Speaker 1: visit that upon everybody else. And that baby's not going
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  Speaker 1: to be happy either because you know, when you lose pressure,
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  Speaker 1: the ears pop. I just don't understand. Why would you
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  Speaker 1: take a baby?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sure there's situations where you might
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  Speaker 2: need to, if you're moving around.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to Hawaii.
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  Speaker 2: But these people are going to Hawaii. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: maybe if Ariella is being like, if she's as chill
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  Speaker 2: as they're saying she is. And if she doesn't cry
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  Speaker 2: on the plane, like, okay, fine. But if you're bringing
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  Speaker 2: your crying screaming baby and you know you have a
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  Speaker 2: crying screaming baby and you're bringing it on a flight.
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  Speaker 1: I hate those people.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: Did you see that family that was like kicked off
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  Speaker 1: a flight because their kids were just screaming? So before
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  Speaker 1: they even left, these kids were absolutely crashing out, screaming
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  Speaker 1: the entire time. And they actually kicked the family off.
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  Speaker 1: off the flight.
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  Speaker 2: Dang.
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  Speaker 1: And the family was so upset. But I'm like, in
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  Speaker 1: the background, like.
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  Speaker 2: Well, but like, if you can't control your kids, like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, for example, your wife, my daughter, when she was
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  Speaker 1: two years old, three years old, was an absolute terrorist.
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  Speaker 1: When we would go to a restaurant, she, as soon
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  Speaker 1: as she perceived that we were someplace that required a
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  Speaker 1: bit of decorum, she would... Flip the F out.
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  Speaker 2: Stop it.
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  Speaker 1: Screaming, hitting the table. It's not coming out.
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  Speaker 2: Of her nose.
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  Speaker 1: Really? Just hugely loud. And did I sit there with
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  Speaker 1: her and make everybody in the restaurant have to try
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  Speaker 1: and eat their meals while my daughter is pitching the
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  Speaker 1: fit of all time?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: No. pick up my kid. I have to go sit
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  Speaker 1: with my kid outside in the car until she calms down.
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  Speaker 1: I will never do that. And in fact, when she
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  Speaker 1: was about three years old, I told my then husband like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm no more restaurants, no more any of that until,
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  Speaker 1: until she can be a civilized little person because it's
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  Speaker 1: embarrassing to me. She's not having fun and everybody else
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  Speaker 1: is paying a lot of money to be there. Just
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  Speaker 1: like everybody's paying to be on that flight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm probably pissing off a lot of young parents. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm just like a lot of People don't care.
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  Speaker 1: And then, you know, I know people like in the
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  Speaker 1: restaurant business and stuff, some parents bring their kids, their
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  Speaker 1: toddlers in and they like smash the pancakes and they
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  Speaker 1: throw the straws and the food and they dump the drinks.
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  Speaker 1: And then those parents just collect their children and they
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  Speaker 1: leave the restaurant. And leave the entire mess for somebody
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  Speaker 1: else to clean up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what pisses me off more than anything. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: if you're going to be that inconsiderate, that's crazy because
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  Speaker 2: it's not like the waitress's job or the busboy's job
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  Speaker 2: to like clean up after your little kid. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I get a little bit of a mess or whatever
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  Speaker 2: if you can't wipe the table down like fine, but...
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  Speaker 2: If you're just going to let your kids, like, throw
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  Speaker 2: all of their food on the ground and, like, you're
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  Speaker 2: not even going to make an effort to try and
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  Speaker 2: clean it up, that's crazy to me.
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  Speaker 1: Then you ain't shit.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy to me.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember a few years ago this lady got
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  Speaker 1: kicked out of a restaurant because she was literally changing
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  Speaker 1: a poopy diaper on the table where she was eating
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  Speaker 1: and everybody else was sitting around her?
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  Speaker 2: Nasty.
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  Speaker 1: Something's going terribly awry on our planet right now. Dude,
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  Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yes. And I'm not saying this is the
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  Speaker 1: kind of mom that Robin is bringing her young daughter
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  Speaker 1: on a plane, but I just, I would never take
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  Speaker 1: a three month old baby on an eight hour flight
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  Speaker 1: to Hawaii or even like take them to Hawaii and.
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  Speaker 1: Put them through all of that.
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  Speaker 2: No, yeah. And like, I can kind of understand Robin's
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  Speaker 2: concern about it in this episode. But then I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: why do you guys agree to this TLC funded trip then?
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  Speaker 1: Because they would never go otherwise unless TLC paid for it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm like, then tell TLC to do it later
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  Speaker 2: in the year when Ariella is older. Like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you guys have the power to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they don't have the power.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy to me. So TLC is like, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to take you to Hawaii on spring break, whether you
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  Speaker 2: like it or not. Yeah. Like, that's stupid.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. The whole thing is, like, dumb in
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  Speaker 2: this episode. The way they're framing it is, like, Robin's
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  Speaker 2: all insecure and worried about it, but she ends up
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  Speaker 2: going anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Of course she does. She was always going to go.
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  Speaker 2: It's just stupid. And then we have, like, a little
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  Speaker 2: segment with Mary and Janelle doing therapy with Nancy, the.
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  Speaker 1: Really terrible therapist. Can we stop with Nancy?
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  Speaker 2: Is she even awake? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's really interesting. Two different styles of being.
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  Speaker 2: Oh!
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha. Where are the paddles?
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  Speaker 2: And she's not doing any kind of therapeutic work at all,
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  Speaker 2: in my opinion. Is she even licensed? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Is she an actress?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. But how was your Thanksgiving, Mary and Janelle?
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  Speaker 2: Tell me about it. I want to know your feelings.
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  Speaker 2: And Janelle's like, it was very enlightening, actually. It was
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  Speaker 2: very enlightening for me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, because, you know, Janelle brings up the fact that
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  Speaker 1: she did fuck all. With the preparations for Thanksgiving, she
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  Speaker 1: painted a bunch of cans badly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, she was very overwhelmed by Mary's need
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  Speaker 1: to kind of take over and organize. But like, what
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  Speaker 1: is Mary supposed to do when you do fuck all?
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  Speaker 1: And so they discussed their longings. dynamic and got absolutely nowhere.
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  Speaker 1: They have clarity that these are the people they are. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But there's no plan to change.
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  Speaker 2: And then they come up with a really great idea
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  Speaker 2: of doing another crafting activity or another activity together in
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  Speaker 2: Hawaii as like a way of bonding with each other.
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  Speaker 2: And Mary even in her talking head is like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what the fuck we're going to do together. Like,
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  Speaker 2: what are we going to do in Hawaii? Like drink
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  Speaker 2: some drinks on the beach?
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  Speaker 1: That would be fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: And that could be a bonding experiment. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: My thought while watching all of this and like watching
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  Speaker 2: all of these scenes with Mary and Janelle this whole
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  Speaker 2: season is I'm like, This is BS. This is like
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  Speaker 2: a distraction from the fact that Mary and Cody's relationship
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  Speaker 2: is crumbling and that Mary had a full-on affair online
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  Speaker 2: with a catfish.
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  Speaker 1: And a banana in her mouth.
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  Speaker 2: And a banana in her mouth.
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  Speaker 1: While in a tub.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: While in a tub.
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  Speaker 1: In a haunted house. While Leon was telling her to
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  Speaker 1: stop that shit, mom.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I feel like this is all orchestrated by TLC. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you know what? If you want to take the heat
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  Speaker 2: off of you and Cody and the fact that you
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  Speaker 2: were an idiot and sucking on a banana.
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  Speaker 1: And a cheater.
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  Speaker 2: And a cheater. Let's focus on you and Janelle's relationship.
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  Speaker 1: If that were the case and Mary was trying to
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  Speaker 1: use therapy with Janelle to rehab her image, wouldn't she
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  Speaker 1: be less of a bitch? Because she's in therapy with
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  Speaker 1: like this stink face.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: All indignant that Janelle is calling her out for Thanksgiving
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  Speaker 1: and how she conducted herself. I'm like, there's no softness
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  Speaker 1: in Mary.
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  Speaker 2: At all.
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  Speaker 1: With anybody in the family. Maybe she's got softness with
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  Speaker 1: her friends, but we just really don't see it.
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  Speaker 2: Her walls are up. Her walls are up.
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  Speaker 1: And so are Janelle's. And I do wonder, like, why
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  Speaker 1: are we doing this? This is stupid.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I'm thinking, like, they're doing this as a
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  Speaker 2: distraction from the catfish scandal. Because they didn't want that
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  Speaker 2: heat on the family. Because honestly, if you look at
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  Speaker 2: it objectively... That was embarrassing, like, for everybody involved.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Like, and totally terrible for their image as this, like,
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  Speaker 2: perfect polygamous family. So let's shift the focus to something
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  Speaker 2: like Robin and her water breaking and exploding on her midwife.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see that I edited that into the video?
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  Speaker 1: Of course I did.
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  Speaker 2: Of course I did. It traumatized me again. I know.
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  Speaker 2: But then it's like, well, we'll focus on that and
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  Speaker 2: Robin's birth and then Mary and Janelle working on their things.
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  Speaker 2: But we're not going to talk about Cody and Mary.
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  Speaker 2: Like we talk about it a little bit in the
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  Speaker 2: next scene where Cody goes to Mary's house and like
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  Speaker 2: we're preparing for the Hawaii trip. And you can tell
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  Speaker 2: it's tense.
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  Speaker 1: Super tense.
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  Speaker 2: You can tell it's awkward.
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  Speaker 1: Are we supposed to think that he's there for like their...
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  Speaker 1: scheduled time together because it feels like he's just coming
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  Speaker 1: in to film the scene and then he's going to
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  Speaker 1: immediately bounce away.
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  Speaker 2: Totally.
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  Speaker 1: I did want to say in the segment with Janelle
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  Speaker 1: and Mary, Janelle said something interesting to the camera about
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  Speaker 1: how devastated the family would be if they lost Mary.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like if Mary had decided to leave, like how that
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  Speaker 1: would have like exploded their entire family. And it just,
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  Speaker 1: for me was such foreshadowing because in just a few
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  Speaker 1: years time, You're going to leave. Christine's going to leave.
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  Speaker 1: And then Mary's going to leave. Everybody's leaving.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that that was really poignant what Janelle said.
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  Speaker 2: I think she said something like the repercussions of a
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  Speaker 2: wife leaving is like it could do more damage than
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  Speaker 2: we even know. Something like that where she's just like
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  Speaker 2: we can't even perceive the damage. I'm like, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You're about to hurt me. You're about to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty fucked up. And we're laughing about
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  Speaker 2: it now, but like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Back then, I'm like, ooh, the writing is on the wall.
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  Speaker 2: And so when Cody's at Mary's house, you can tell
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  Speaker 2: they're having issues. And Cody kind of talks about it
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  Speaker 2: in his talking head. Like, you know, I'm really trying
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  Speaker 2: to rebuild this relationship. He says something like, I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to warm up a relationship that's gone cold. Which for
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  Speaker 2: once I feel like is kind of a poignant statement,
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  Speaker 2: especially coming from Cody. Because that is kind of what's
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  Speaker 2: happening here. But are we going to elaborate on it?
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  Speaker 2: Are we going to talk about it? No.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: Like we're just going to shift the focus and then
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  Speaker 2: we're going to pack for Hawaii and it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a chaotic mess because the Browns can't be organized
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  Speaker 2: with literally anything. You have Mindy, the babysitter, being like,
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  Speaker 2: I've been packed for weeks. Cause I'm not like any
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  Speaker 2: of these fools.
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  Speaker 1: Cause I'm a normal person. And I've been thinking about
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  Speaker 1: this trip to Hawaii.
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  Speaker 2: For a while. And everyone else is packing like the
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  Speaker 2: night before they leave for the, the fricking flight. But
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  Speaker 2: before that, in the middle of packing, Mary's like, Hey everybody,
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  Speaker 2: can you come to my house? I got a really
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  Speaker 2: important thing I gotta talk to you about. And everyone's like,
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  Speaker 2: What now?
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  Speaker 1: What now?
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  Speaker 2: Literally why? And I thought it was kind of interesting
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  Speaker 2: how like you had multiple people. You had Cody and
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  Speaker 2: Janelle and Robin all kind of saying the same thing
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  Speaker 2: of like, Mary doesn't tell us what she wants to
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  Speaker 2: talk to us about. So we're all just kind of
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  Speaker 2: going over there. a little nervous and wondering what the
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  Speaker 2: hell this is all about. And Cody says something like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, every time in recent years, like Mary has
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  Speaker 2: had to talk to us about something. It's been bad.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: Like it's been the catfish. It's been the legal divorce.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: It's been like all these things. So I don't know
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: what this could be. And of course it's Mary being like,
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: I got gifts for you. I want you guys to
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: know that I'm a part of this family.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: I went to sip and paint and I got really
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: inspired having a bottle of wine with my watercolors.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then Cody opens all of the paintings. And look,
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: I will say to Mary's credit, it's kind of a
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: sweet thing. Yes, it is. I understand the symbolism. I
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: think it's very sweet that she like made the point
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: to do this for everybody. And when you see the
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: final paintings, like you can tell that there was a
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: lot of work put into them. And I do think
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: they're cute. Yeah. Okay. I think they're cute. Could you
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: do that? No.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: If I went to a sip and paint and I
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: had some 21 year old painting teacher and had a
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: glass of wine, I a hundred percent could do that.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Could you paint 23 times four trees? No, you couldn't.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, I could. Yes, I could. Beatrice. But I mean,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: not to downplay, it was a nice gesture. Her intention
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: was certainly lovely, but it was a little awkward to
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: me because they all walked in there not knowing what
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: to expect. And, you know, Cody starts revealing these paintings
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: and Mary's like, do you notice anything in common with
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: these paintings?
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: That's what I hated.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Because it's like the whole, like, Can you guess the symbolism? No,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: I literally can't. Like, why don't you just tell me?
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: And I don't want to.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: No.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Why am I here right now?
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Because what if I guess it wrong and then you're
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: going to be offended? Like, just tell me the purpose
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: of these.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Janelle actually says that. I'm just going to shut up
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: and let somebody else guess. I'm not playing these games.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Janelle's like Mary speaking in riddles again. So I'm just
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: going to be quiet. And I agree because I just,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: I hate when people do stuff like that. Like when
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: they give me a gift and then they want me
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: to guess what their intention was behind it. Like, no,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: tell me. And then I'm going to give you the
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: reaction that you want me to have. Because Mary was
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: kind of expecting, especially Cody, to have a particular reaction
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: about these trees that she painted for him. And she
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: does end up explaining like the symbolism by them. And
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: I think Janelle and Christine reacted pretty good. Like Janelle
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: knew immediately which painting was hers, which was the campfire one,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: which I thought was sweet and Janelle thought that this
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: was like a really sweet gesture. Christine knew exactly which
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: one her painting was and she loved it. And they
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: were very positive about it. But you have Cody and
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Robin with their stank faces. Robin's like, oh, I guess
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: the palm tree one is mine. Okay. That's great. Thanks, Miriam.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: You guys are so beautiful. And then Cody's like, cool.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: And then Leon. And then Leon is on their phone
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: the whole time. Not giving a fuck. No. And I mean.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Not even looking at Miriam.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: And Mary being like, I really wanted Leon to be
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: there so that way I could reach them. And I
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: really wanted Leon to see that, you know, I'm a
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: part of this family and I care about everybody here.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, but did you do anything for Leon though?
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Did you talk to Leon?
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Did you talk to Leon?
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Did you have a meaningful conversation?
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: You couldn't even paint a tree, painting for Leon. No.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: There's nothing.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Why is Leon there?
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Holding the baby.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Okay. And that's what they're doing pretty much. They're just
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: sitting there at the table with Ariella Mae. And I
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: don't know. I felt for Mary in this because I
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: do see that she's trying in her own kind of
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: dumb way. But at the same time, it's like Mary,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: after this affair. Thank you.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't think a few tree paintings is going
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: to like make everybody feel better about you.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: No, and it's really cowardly actually.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: You think so?
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, because you're giving paintings in lieu of having a
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: conversation where you own every single thing that you did
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: and talk about what you want to do in the
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: future so that we can heal. No, instead, you're going
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: to paint some paintings and say, are we good now?
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Everybody okay?
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I want to be here so bad.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I'm making amends.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Great talk.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: And I mean, Janelle and Christine are trying to be
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: sweet about it and trying to accept her gesture. But like,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: you're not going to reach Robin and Cody with this.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's also about Mary doing this instead of
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: what she should be doing because the thing she did,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: the scale and the scope of the thing she did
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: is like really huge. And that's why Leon's sitting there
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: with a stink face because Leon understands that and Mary
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: won't admit it. And I think Cody understands. that and
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: in order for cody to be able to bridge the
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: gap between him and mary he's gonna have to hear
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: something from mary that's meaningful besides painting a painting for
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: him and i just like mary is so incapable of
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: self-reflection and admitting the things that she's done wrong.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: To the full extent. Like, she can say, well, I
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: engaged in this inappropriate friendship. Okay. But she can't, like,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: fully own the fact that it was an affair. And, like,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I know people are going to be in the comments
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: being like, well, but Cody abandoned her. Of course. He
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: was a bad husband. Of course. Totally. Like, nobody's denying that.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And Cody has to also be willing to work on
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: this relationship, too. Like, it does take two here. I
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: think Mary is trying to bridge the gap in her
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: own way, even though it is a little stupid. And
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: maybe she has been admitting things in therapy.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: It's what a first grader would do. They'd go to
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: school and they would make you an ashtray and bring
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: it back.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe they're talking about it in therapy, but we
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: aren't privy to those conversations.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I highly doubt it.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Instead, we got to talk about Mary and Janelle's dumb relationship.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: But Cody does say something like, you know, we're having
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of safe talks with Nancy, our therapist.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Is it safe?
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Is it safe?
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: And it's you twice.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: But he doesn't really go into detail about it. And
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I'm just thinking y'all aren't talking about anything. You're not
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: talking about any of like the real issues. I don't
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: think they're talking about shit, really. And they haven't been
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: for a long time.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: And they don't want to either.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: No, yeah.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: They don't want to confront anything that's going on in
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: this family.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: At all. And I think Mary doesn't want to confront
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: herself in that situation. I think Cody doesn't want to
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: confront the fact that he doesn't love Mary. I think
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: that's what's kind of going on here.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: But he knows that inside of himself at this point.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: He just doesn't want to actually tell Mary that, right?
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. I feel like at this point,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: right now in season 10, Cody is realizing, I don't
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: love any of these bitches except for Robin. And I
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: don't think he wants to admit it. And he still
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: can't really admit it even in these current seasons. Like,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, he says it after they leave him. But
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: he doesn't really, like, say it before that happens.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: But then he takes it back in the next season.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Exactly. So... I don't know. It's sad to see Mary
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: try to give this gesture, but it's falling on deaf ears.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: And it's kind of like, well, what do you expect, lady?
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you expect.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: At this point in time, it's like, what, six or
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: seven months after the catfish or something or a few
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: months after that because it happened over the summer and
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: we just passed the holidays. So it hasn't been a
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: lot of time to really heal and deal with the
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: backlash of this. So it's awkward.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: But then.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: We're just going to shove that away in our suitcases
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: and fly to Hawaii. And we have to talk about
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: how it's so crazy and hectic because we have 1
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: million people flying on this plane. If I was on
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: this plane with this family, I would be so upset.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Sitting at the gate and seeing an
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: entire family. Of Mormons. God bless Mormons. Actually, Mormons are great.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I've known a lot of really great Mormons, but just
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: like an entire family of like kids. And I would
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: just be like, please no.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. Like get me off this plane.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Not my flight. Right. And then they sit down at
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: your gate. Please not near my seat. And then they
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: sit right next to you.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I could not. It's almost as bad as those flights
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: that have those like choir kids on them. And they're
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: like singing their choir songs. Or like the Taylor Swift.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: They're always like, Songs about Jesus. Yeah. And I love
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: that for you, that you love Jesus. Jesus is great,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: but like not everybody wants to hear your song about Jesus.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: No.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Have you seen that TikTok of that girl who goes
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: to like the Sistine Chapel? Or it's like, it's one
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: of the great cathedrals. It's either in England or Italy somewhere.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: And in the middle of the chapel, she starts singing
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: some song and somebody's filming her in the middle of
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the chapel. middle of this worshipful.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: She's singing like on tune yeah she has a nice
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: voice but i don't care if that were me i
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: would if i were in that cathedral i would roundhouse
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: kick her right in the face i'd be laughing that's
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: some of my favorite cringe content and i always send
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: it to your daughter because she hates it is people
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: just like singing in public and they're really bad at
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: singing and they're like so serious about it because they
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: fancy themselves as like really amazing singers and musicians and
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: stuff but they're horrible i love that content and every
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: time i send it to your daughter she's like.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I can't watch this because she's got the voice of
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: an angel she does she's got a wonderful if.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: She was singing in public people would stop and be
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: like oh my god what a.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Beautiful she would never because she's a normal person i
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: know it's like people who stop traffic and just start
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: dancing some tiktok like i would run you over i
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: would honk I would threaten you with my car. I
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: would break several laws. I would brandish a weapon. Not
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: that I have one, but I would be just such
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: a Karen.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Have you seen, I know we're going on a tangent.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Have you seen the Instagram page called influencers in the wild? No,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: it is glorious.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Why don't you share this stuff with me?
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I'll have to send it to you. I'll send you
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: a few videos, but influencers in the wild on Instagram
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: is fantastic because it's a these like TikTok influencers, like
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: doing their stupid dances and stuff in public. So they're
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: filming them as they're doing their thing and they're filming
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: in public. And it's always at like a beach and
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: they've got their thong up their ass or like they're
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: in public and they're like blocking traffic or they're blocking
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: a store entrance or something. It's so great.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: What a mind virus. They're like our current day zombies.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Afflicted by narcissism.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Pretty much.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: And silicone. Yeah. I really wouldn't attack anyone physically, guys.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: What?
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I don't. But it gives me flames. It gives me rage.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: The main character syndrome, some of these people. Like just
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: singing at the top of your lungs in the middle
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: of a cathedral where people are like lighting candles because
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: they've got loved ones that are sick and stuff. Flames.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Flames.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Anyway, back to Sister Wives.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Back to the spectacle that is the Brown family. Yeah.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Like taking a giant bus to the airport and then.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Two buses. Yeah. Two buses.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: And then flying into Hawaii and then talking about how
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: they're taking up like a third of the baggage claim area.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Like just end me. If I was there at that airport,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I'd be so pissed. I'd be like, where's my luggage?
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Because we're waiting for this stupid family with all these
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: cameras and stuff around them. Did you recognize where they
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: were at? I did. Where were they at?
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: They were in Kona. I don't know what that is.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: On a heli. Oh, sorry.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: They're in Kona, which is on the island, the big island,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: or the island of Hawaii. And I don't know if
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: you saw when they were driving by the sign that
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: said volcano.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did see that.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: So volcano is where I spent many years of my childhood.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, God.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: In the town of Volcano.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Were you triggered? No. Is this a safe space for you?
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: It's safe. It's safe, Courtney.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: No, but it was, I spent a lot of time
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: there and it was situated right on the crater of Kilauea,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: which is the volcano that is currently erupting still.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: And that's where I lived, hun.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: And I went to school in Hilo. So I spent
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of my youth on the big island and
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: then I moved to Oahu, which is where Honolulu is,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: where there's, at the time was more civilization. But yeah,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: it was... It was interesting. So that's Conan. That's the
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: other side of the island from where I was.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Is it pretty touristy? Yes. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: It is pretty touristy.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Did you hate the tourists there?
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't. But, you know, I was pretty young.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: And my parents actually worked at Kilauea Military Camp. My
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: father was the bartender, which was so great for him
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: as an alcoholic. My mother worked there as well. And
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: so you had tourists that were coming in and leaving
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: a lot. So that was part of the industry itself
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: was like my family worked with that industry. And it's
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the biggest industry or was at the time in Hawaii
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: was the tourism industry. And back then you had a
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: semblance of respect for that and then for tourists because
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: they were coming into your economy and they were bringing
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of money. But now... Year of Our Lord 2026,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: it ain't the same over there, honey.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I was wondering about that because it is a big
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: part of the economy there, but at the same time,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: it's like a double-edged sword because now you've got all
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: these boomers and stuff moving to Hawaii.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Well, you just have also a lot of tourists and
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the ecological damage that it's actually doing to reefs and
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: things of that nature and also the disparity between of
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the wealth that's coming in vis-a-vis the tourists versus like
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: the indigenous Hawaiians and the people who actually live there
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: who are like working literally four jobs just to have
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: a rundown condo, walk-up condo. Like it's just, It creates
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: a tension that, you know, I think a lot of
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: places are actually experiencing, like, for example, Spain.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I've seen that too.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Madrid and things of that nature, Barcelona or whatever. Like
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of places that are just sick to
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: death of tourists.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I bet. I've always wanted to visit Hawaii just to
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: say that I was there. But at the same time,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I have such a conflicted view on it because I'm like,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I don't really want to be contributing to that problem
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: at the same time.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Well if you go to hawaii just take me yeah
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: because as soon as i get there i am right
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: back to speaking pigeon and kind of just being in
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the vernacular and the energy of that place and also
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: i would take you to the right island because you
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: don't want to go to the wrong islands yeah i
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want to do that so they're on the big
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: island where the volcano is that.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Makes sense well so then they get checked into their
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: are they like renting a house a booty ass house
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: it seemed like they were renting a big ass booty
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: ass yes But that's cool. Every wife has their own
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: little suite or something. So that way they can share
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: it with their kids and stuff. And, of course, Cody
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: is going to be in Robin's suite the entire time. Yes.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: And then, of course, the older brothers and the older
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: sisters are going to share their own rooms. So it's
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: nice that they have a cool setup and stuff. And
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: the first night that they get there, they got food
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: catered or something but of course the eldest siblings like
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: logan michelle and maddie and caleb are like deuces we're
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: dipping we're gonna go on a double date fuck y'all
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: and they go on a double date and that's kind
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: of like where we end the episode with their little
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: date and it like There wasn't that much that was
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: interesting in this. I mean, we got to hear a
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: little bit from Logan and his like schooling and same
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: thing with Michelle. I was surprised to hear that both
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: of them are like in grad school and Logan's looking
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: at PA school. He wants to be a physician's assistant,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: which I think is great.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Which he never does though, right?
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: She said she was getting her graduate degree in criminal justice.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: I think so. So maybe she's like going to law
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: school or something.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. And he was... going to school
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: to be a physician's assistant but i definitely don't think
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: that's what he ended up doing.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know i thought he was like a personal
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: trainer or something it's but he's like also out of
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the limelight so maybe we're talking out our ass and
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: we don't really know.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you know what logan does or
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: what's going on let us know.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: It was kind of cute to see them so young
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: and i like that they're still together to this day
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: same thing with maddie and caleb i think that that's
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: very sweet that they've found their people at such a
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: young age and stuff and you know, Logan and Michelle
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: kind of talk about where they might relocate and move
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: to because of their schooling and stuff. And Michelle's like,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: it's not an ultimatum, but I don't really want to
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: move anywhere with you unless we're engaged and you got
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: a rock on my finger.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Smart girl.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: And that's fair. I think that's great. She's really pretty also. Yeah.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Beautiful eyes.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: So beautiful. And Logan obviously loves her. And then Maddie
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: and Caleb kind of talk about their wedding and how
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Maddie's going to do something so unconventional, her dad's going
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: to marry him. Great. Awesome.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Amazing.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, that aged like milk. I wonder how
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: she feels about it now because she doesn't have a
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: relationship with her dad.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I hope that she cherishes the memory because I think
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: at the time, if I recall correctly, I think Cody
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: was really honored to be able to do it, and
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: it was a very special moment. So I want to
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: think that that was authentic and genuine, and maybe she
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: looks back fondly on it. I really liked the part
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: in this segment where Maddie was addressing Logan and Michelle
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: and talking about Logan's experience growing up in the family.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Because I want to say she's the only one to
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: date who really fully articulated what Logan went through. And,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: you know, Maddie just straight up says he was our parent. Yeah.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: He was the quintessential big brother family. He had all
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: of the responsibility. He really didn't have an opportunity to
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: go out and have fun and do all the things
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: that he wanted to do as a young man because
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: he had to take care of us and be our
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: parent in effect. You know, until Michelle came along and
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: now she just loves seeing Logan. being happy and, and
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: having this lightness of being and being with somebody who
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: also truly loves him back. And Maddie says something like,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: you know, he's been with people who haven't valued him
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: in that way, but now with you, like, I just
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: feel so happy that you found each other. And that
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: was really a beautiful. testimony. Yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: And the fact that she cried about it too. I'm like, man,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: you can really feel the emotion.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: That's her dad.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: It's totally her dad.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: That's her real dad.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: And she said something very important where she was like,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: he's been an adult his whole life. And I'm like,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: damn dude. And you're right. She is really the only
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: one that I think we've heard articulate it that way.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Because I think we tend to talk about the eldest
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: daughters a lot of the time. And you know, they
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: definitely did a lot of work too. Like Aspen was
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: the mom in this situation as well. but like Logan
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: really has always been at the leaderboard. And because Cody
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: was just, you know, flopping his hair around and like
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: selling signs and stuff in downtown Wyoming, like Logan really
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: did have to step up for not just his siblings
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: with Janelle, but like all of them, everyone. And that's
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: a big task. And, you know, you can tell when
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Maddie is articulating this to him, he's kind of, he
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: almost looks uncomfortable a little bit. Like to be perceived
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: in this way or acknowledged in this way because that's
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: a really hard place to be like you didn't really
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: get to have much of a childhood like when you're
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: a parentified kid you don't get to really experience childhood
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: to the fullest extent because you're worrying about everybody else
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: and I was thinking about it to this day like
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: we know Logan and Michelle don't have kids right now
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: and I'm like maybe there's a fucking reason and I
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: would probably be the same boat yeah if I was
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Logan he might be.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Choosing to be child free yeah I just want to
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: live my own life and be self-determining without having to
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: take care of another person besides my wife.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Yep. Exactly.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Totally fair. I'm sitting here wondering, I wish I could
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: remember everybody's sign.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Because I'm like, he gives interesting energy. He's got a
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: very grounded energy, but there's definitely water in there. maybe
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: even a little bit of fire, but like there's emotionality,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. And I know a lot
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: of you don't care about astrology and I don't either actually,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: but it is interesting, like how there are some themes
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: that actually seem to bear out when you look at people,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: but he just seems like there's a lot happening under
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: the surface of who he is. And he's never really,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: maybe until Michelle, he's never really had an opportunity to
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: allow that to be expressed because He's, I don't know,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of conversations Janelle would have
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: had with Logan. I don't know what kind of space
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: she as a mother or Cody as a father would
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: have been able to give him. But it just feels
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: like there's a lot of emotion underneath.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm wondering if he even talks to any of
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: the parents. Like he probably talks to his mom and stuff, but.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I want to say I heard recently that he does.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: He does communicate with like Christine and he shows up
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: to stuff as well. And he might speak to Cody.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I wonder. Me too. Because if I was Logan, and
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I kind of have been at periods of time in
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: my life, like.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Firstborn daughter, that's why.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: You know, you go through a period of time where
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: you're pretty angry at your parents for a while. And
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: you do just kind of have to sit with that
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: for a bit until it kind of passes. And it
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: usually passes with time and obviously therapy and stuff like that.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: And really just reflecting on your life. But I just
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: wonder if he had a period where he was angry
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: at his parents and it would be totally justified, honestly.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: But maybe he's in that period now or maybe he hasn't.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Had it at all.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's better than me. I don't fucking know. I
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: did look up his birthday. He's a Gemini son. I
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: don't know his full birth chart, but May 21st. He's
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: only two years older than me.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: He's very cuspy with Taurus, though.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: A little bit.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Very cuspy with Taurus. Okay.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Gemini. Wow. Okay.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: But maybe he's got like a water moon or something.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Well, but I mean, Gemini though, you've got two different aspects.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: You've got the face that you show everybody and then
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: you've got the other one that you can also slip into.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: That's tends to be pretty emotional.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Anyway, enough about astrology, but I love Logan. I love
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Maddie in this moment. I think the four of them,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: all of these young people together, like starting out their lives.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I think it's a beautiful thing. I'm glad that they're
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: doing it away from the rest of the chaos of
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: the family. Honestly. Because they don't, the chaos of the chaos,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: they don't need that. And I hope they have a
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: wonderful time in Hawaii.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's just interesting to watch these seasons back
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: and to see how much the family is really changing.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Like it's not just Mary and the catfish and it's
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: not just Cody's favoritism of Robin just growing, but like
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Cody and Robin just had a baby, but then you
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: have these eldest kids marrying off and, and running away
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: kind of a thing and doing their own adult lives.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: And like, that's so much for one family to really handle.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: And then you still have all these other kids in
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: the middle that are still trying to do life, you know,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: and go through school and stuff like that. And I
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: don't know, it's just, it's crazy to watch it back
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: and then to see what it is now. And you
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: can see, and you can tell why all these older
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: kids have kind of dipped out of filming. Oh, sure.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Over the years, you know.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: They were screwed.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Totally screwed. And I wouldn't want to be a part
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: of this shit at all, honestly. And then we get
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: to the preview for the next couple episodes. Again, we're
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: skipping that Cody episode. I don't give a fuck.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I don't got time for that.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I got a behind the scenes. Fuck you.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: On Cody. No thanks.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. So the next episode we'll watch is going
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: to be like the continuation of the Hawaii trip where
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Cody is yelling at Christine on a beach, which I
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: can't wait to see what that's about. And then we
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: have Maddie asking Cody to marry them. And he says
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: he's deeply honored, but also terrified because he doesn't want
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: to fuck it up. And I think that that does
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: come from a genuine place. And I do think that
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: he probably feels some kind of honor for it. And
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: then we have a conversation about Caleb's dad not being
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: able to marry them because his mom got diagnosed with
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: cancer and she's got only a couple years to live,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: according to the doctors. And so it's a tense situation.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: It also kind of makes sense why they're rushing the
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: wedding and wanting it to be done right away. But
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: then we have McKelty coming on in with her black
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: hair and saying, I met a guy. I met a boy.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: And I know she's going to tell Christine, I see
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: a future with him and I want to get married.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: And I think if I remember correctly, she wants to
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: get married like three months after Maddie, which is ridiculous.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember the timeline being in question. Like at
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: one point she wanted to get married before Maddie.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Like almost as if to steal her thunder.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Pretty much. Yeah.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: And Cody and Christine are like, absolutely not. And Christine
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: is so averse to the idea of McKelty getting hitched.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: The difference between how she responded to Maddie and Caleb
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and how she's going to respond to McKelty and Tony
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: is like night and day and and honestly McKelty in
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: terms of maturation she is at a different level than
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Maddie that's clear but at the same time it's a
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: little weird and so as we watch it together I
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: will have some commentary. I can already tell you that.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I remember being mad at Christine, actually, for
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: her reaction to McKelty. Because, like, you cannot approve of
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: too many tacos, Toni. That's fine or whatever.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: But, like. Don't shit all over.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Her happiness.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: It's her joy. Right.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: But he does. He's going to be insufferable.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know. I can't wait.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: He's going to talk about roundhouse kicking somebody.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Ooh. Those episodes are going to be good.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Don't make me do it. You know I will.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I know you will.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: If I could lift my leg. You think I could
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: lift my leg to do a roundhouse? Come on now.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: You're limber.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: No, I am not. Well, is there anything else that
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: we should say to these beautiful raccoons before we get
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: about out of here, Beatrice?
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Well, we love you. And if you love us, make
• 40:25
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• 40:28
  Speaker 2: podcast platform. It'll be really appreciated by us. And that's it.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: We will be back next week to talk sister wives
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: and maybe some pop culture if things pop off. Until then,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: please do not forget that we have nothing but love
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: for you. And peace out.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Bye, guys.