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Street Farbrengen Episode #147: Have we forgotten how to fight? · ChabadLife.TV Street Farbrengen

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SPEAKER_03: After somebody came to me this morning I young man, I asked myself Is Dovening a masculine venture or is it more a feminine energy?
0:38
SPEAKER_00: Okay, interesting question, Ruvain.
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SPEAKER_00: I would my my gut reaction is to play it safe and say it's both.
0:51
SPEAKER_03: Okay, and my gut reaction to your gut reactions explain.
0:56
SPEAKER_00: Well, I could see both um both experiences within the same Davening at different times, meaning there's the one side where you're obviously requesting to receive, and you know, you're uh a Kaylee opening yourself up to receive God's blessings that he's uh infusing into you and into the world.
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SPEAKER_00: And then there's the other side of the strength of your um even ability to ask or to to um approach the king um in a in a powerful masculine, you know, uh take uh take charge type way.
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SPEAKER_03: That's beautiful.
1:40
SPEAKER_03: Um so let me explain to you why I asked this question to myself.
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SPEAKER_03: Somebody told me this morning that he doesn't doven in a in a shul.
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SPEAKER_03: Even on Shabbos.
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SPEAKER_03: I said, What do you do?
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SPEAKER_03: Like, you know, I figured like he must be like wrapped up in his talus.
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SPEAKER_03: He says, I meditate.
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SPEAKER_03: I said to myself, my first reaction was this is a chocolate.
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SPEAKER_03: What do you mean you meditate?
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SPEAKER_03: I mean you're supposed to meditate, but whatever that means to him, I'm not so quite sure.
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SPEAKER_03: But I have this picture of this very feminized Bucker who's going to meditate and he can't go to show.
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SPEAKER_03: And that's when I asked the question that I did.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
2:41
SPEAKER_00: I do not expect you to go there.
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SPEAKER_00: I know.
2:43
SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: How would you know?
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SPEAKER_00: So, so did you ask him?
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SPEAKER_00: Did you ask him what he knows?
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SPEAKER_03: No, I moved on.
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SPEAKER_03: He wasn't ready for such questions.
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SPEAKER_00: He wasn't asking, he wasn't telling you in order to uh be.
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SPEAKER_00: He was just telling me.
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SPEAKER_00: He was just telling you.
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SPEAKER_00: He was at sure though.
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SPEAKER_03: Whatever, it's irrelevant.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm just saying it's an interesting uh experience to make a claim.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I guess it's not a claim because we don't have any context.
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SPEAKER_00: Do you think that he was saying that?
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SPEAKER_00: Saying what?
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SPEAKER_00: Saying it in that way that he was just He's saying what he's saying.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm looking at it as feminine.
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SPEAKER_00: Is that a generalized attitude towards people who meditate, who stay at home to tell me they can't dovin, but they have to meditate, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, why?
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SPEAKER_03: Why?
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SPEAKER_03: Because they think meditate they think well, I don't know what they think about dovening, but it brought let's stay with the question.
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SPEAKER_03: If you see it as feminine, like I do, you can relate to that, right?
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SPEAKER_03: A little bit.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: He's sitting it's a passive thing, even though he's meditating.
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SPEAKER_03: He's not dovening, he's not asking for anything, he's not following any um prescribed system of dovening.
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SPEAKER_03: Um what does it mean a person is meditating?
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SPEAKER_03: When a person does deep breath work, are they is that a feminine kind of tenua or a masculine?
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SPEAKER_03: I don't know if you've ever done breath work.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm not talking about the experience.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm talking about doing it.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Is it masculine or feminine?
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SPEAKER_03: Is it passive or let's say it's let's say feminine means passive, uh embracing and allowing, and uh masculine means aggressive.
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SPEAKER_00: I would say aggressive.
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SPEAKER_00: I would say masculine.
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SPEAKER_03: Absolutely not.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: You're waiting to receive an experience.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, you're saying the outcome that you're looking for is right.
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SPEAKER_03: So is divening masculine or feminine?
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SPEAKER_03: That's my question.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's interesting.
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SPEAKER_03: You see, we're starting to get some shape and context.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: Um this this the picture the iconic picture amongst Chasidim.
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SPEAKER_03: I don't know about Lubavitch, but amongst Chasidim, and maybe even the Litvisher world, what is the picture of the one who is dominating?
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SPEAKER_03: Feminine or masculine?
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SPEAKER_00: Feminine.
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SPEAKER_03: Right.
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SPEAKER_03: And how how do you come to that conclusion?
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SPEAKER_00: Broken in the like you're Feminine or broken?
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SPEAKER_00: No, no, but I'm saying like scratch that from the record, please.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: No, um where you're trying to remove um I don't know how to describe it.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to picture other places we've divened in.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, I'm not saying I'm not asking you about people who divened in Sul.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm asking you what's the the um the picture that is painted by in yeshivas, in Haider, maybe even of a Hosul who dovens.
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SPEAKER_03: Is it passive or is the is passive the opposite of passive aggressive?
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SPEAKER_01: Or is it aggressive?
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SPEAKER_01: Passive.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Which is what which is what of course But you're saying the outcome is what's determinating.
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SPEAKER_03: No, so now yeah, what do you mean it's what determines?
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SPEAKER_00: You were saying before, like you the idea of breath work, it's not the breath work you're saying itself.
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SPEAKER_03: Well, when you're breathing deep and holding your breath and doing all those kinds of things, you could argue that that's very engaging and masculine, but um but the outcome, so I'm saying is the outcome of the dovening to be uh waiting for an experience, like you just said, or forget about experience.
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SPEAKER_03: What about the outcome of that the money comes into your bank account?
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
7:40
SPEAKER_03: Is dovening power or powerlessness?
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SPEAKER_03: And by the way, the idea of feminine masculine is wrong if we think feminine means powerlessness, but most people think it means that it's just not the outward power of a of the masculine energy.
8:05
SPEAKER_03: You know, as they say behind every great man is a great woman, so obviously um there's a truth to that, because the world says that, and um that g makes her very powerful.
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SPEAKER_03: But in a feminine way, or in manner, I should say.
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SPEAKER_03: So there's a very important reason why I'm asking this, because you're I'm asking you, what is dovening?
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SPEAKER_03: How do you go to the table to doven?
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SPEAKER_03: As they say, how do you go to the table?
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SPEAKER_03: Are you feeling powerful or I mean powerless sounds negative?
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SPEAKER_03: Are you feeling powerful or passive?
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SPEAKER_00: You're saying that's going at the table, but I at the table, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: But but the outcome also has the same.
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SPEAKER_03: Well, yes, well, let's okay, fine.
9:02
SPEAKER_03: I'm asking you at the table.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: What do you think Hasidis says?
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SPEAKER_00: Power.
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SPEAKER_00: It's power.
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SPEAKER_03: Really?
9:09
SPEAKER_00: It's extremely powerful.
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SPEAKER_00: Your your entire experience of climbing the ladder of connection and experience and her gas elokus is so very powerful.
9:23
SPEAKER_03: Where's the the the Shan on LSM?
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SPEAKER_03: Where's the 500 and what's the number?
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SPEAKER_03: Uh 13.
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SPEAKER_03: 515 requests.
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SPEAKER_03: Is a request is a pleading power or powerlessness?
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SPEAKER_03: I always go back to my icon group of 12 step as I'm sitting here saying look, I'm the person who says I need a higher power.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm helpless without a higher power.
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SPEAKER_03: Is that passive or masculine?
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SPEAKER_03: Is I really need the money to come because everything falls apart if I don't get it.
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SPEAKER_03: And you're sitting there beating your chest and you look like you have to you haven't gone to the bathroom in 24 hours, so you're squeezing your face and your hands.
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SPEAKER_03: You know how they do it, inshallah.
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SPEAKER_03: Um is that power or weakness?
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, maybe there's power in weakness.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: And by the way, you could you can catapult this right into the pool of mashir.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, we need mashir so badly.
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SPEAKER_03: Is that power or powerlessness?
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SPEAKER_00: That's powerlessness.
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SPEAKER_03: Right.
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SPEAKER_03: That's that's obvious.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: So Okay, I hear you.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: And can you have can you have power with Bittle?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
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SPEAKER_01: How?
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SPEAKER_01: What's where's the Bittle?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, these are hard questions.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_03: I don't know how to answer these.
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SPEAKER_03: These Well, I'm not asking for the right.
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SPEAKER_00: I know you're not going to be able to do that.
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SPEAKER_03: So you can get a degree.
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SPEAKER_00: I already called and broken, so I don't want to say anything else that's stupid, but the the idea.
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SPEAKER_00: Listen, the the the Rebbe so the to the answer to the last question though is pretty simple and Parsha's Khayasara that we just um read.
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SPEAKER_00: The the Rebbe says that Eliezer was the epitome of Bitol and the epitome of a Shliach, and he used his ten koikis fully and completely, and all of his personality and capabilities to figure out if uh Rifka was the right one and to bring Rifka into into the picture with his Daven.
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SPEAKER_00: So Bitol is power, it's very clear there.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay, so explain that to me.
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SPEAKER_03: How is Bittl power?
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SPEAKER_00: Because he was Mavatel to the Mishalaya, which forced him to bring out all of his koikais, all of his personality.
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SPEAKER_03: That's an interesting term to use.
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SPEAKER_03: Forced him.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh yeah, I guess that is an interesting term for it.
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SPEAKER_00: But yeah, that's what it feels like.
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SPEAKER_03: Because if you force me, um, I'm in a passive position.
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SPEAKER_03: So let's take apart what you just said for a second.
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SPEAKER_03: Let's speak about Eliezer the Evid, who said Evid of Ramanui.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, he look at his Daven.
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SPEAKER_00: He went right there, Daven for exactly what he wanted, what he wanted to see, how he wanted to see it.
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SPEAKER_00: And as he was Davening, she was already walking.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, like, you can't you couldn't get more more more powerful than that.
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SPEAKER_03: So you're saying Davening is power?
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SPEAKER_00: For him, it was for sure.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Or I for sure.
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SPEAKER_03: And that came I see it as being and that came from him being an evil of Ramanui.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he had complete uh bataka in that he knew that his uh his master's wishes was gonna become fulfilled.
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SPEAKER_00: Hashem said that he was gonna send uh a Moloch in front of him, or send her or send Hashem in front of him, whatever it was.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's a whole interesting sukha about that as well.
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SPEAKER_00: But there was there was complete confidence, if you don't want to use the word bitachin, that uh he was gonna accomplish his goal.
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SPEAKER_03: So you're seeing his davening as power.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And also putting himself aside totally, he wanted his daughter to marry uh Yitzhak.
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SPEAKER_03: Right.
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SPEAKER_03: So is that power?
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_03: Is it the same as Davening power?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm sounding very confident, but I have to think through all this.
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SPEAKER_03: So where do we hold when we dovin?
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SPEAKER_00: Probably not like that.
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SPEAKER_03: Probably not like that.
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SPEAKER_03: The question is.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Let's let's stop the BS.
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SPEAKER_03: The question comes back around to this little boy chick who said, I don't dovan, I meditate.
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SPEAKER_03: Does he think dovening is power?
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SPEAKER_00: I would assume not.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: Does he think meditation is power?
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SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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SPEAKER_03: You really you think so?
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SPEAKER_03: So, what is the power of sitting?
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SPEAKER_03: Um I don't know what he meditates on, but it's obviously not on in Yonnev Chasidis, because if it is, he would probably go dove.
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SPEAKER_03: So um let's say he's doing slow breathing in and out and all this kind of stuff that's going around the fringes of the Jewish community.
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SPEAKER_03: That let me tell you something.
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SPEAKER_03: I saw that happening 60 years ago.
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SPEAKER_03: Well, not 60, but 50 years ago.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I thought the I thought you had a friend who who tried getting people to meditate, kosher Jewish meditation, and they couldn't take off their shoes.
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SPEAKER_03: No, that was that was the story with that was the Lababachas, and that was what the story with the Rebbe's.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
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SPEAKER_00: So what what is meditation?
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, like, I we don't need to get into that question.
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SPEAKER_03: Yes, we do need.
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SPEAKER_00: No, no, because you're you let's just go based off of the assumption of what you're saying this guy meant.
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SPEAKER_00: We we could go back to that topic as an interesting topic, also, but let's put it this way.
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SPEAKER_03: Whatever a person thinks meditation is, where does he think it's gonna get him to?
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SPEAKER_03: A feeling of power or a feeling of we'll call it serenity.
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SPEAKER_00: Serenity.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Serenity.
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SPEAKER_03: That's really what I'm talking about.
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SPEAKER_03: Is going to Duven to reach serenity.
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SPEAKER_03: And by the way, how much sereneness are you gonna find being in a the average minion in 2026?
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SPEAKER_00: Definitely not the minion we go to.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not the but but the but the the idea of okay, let's let's talk about the purpose of Davening.
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SPEAKER_03: No, let's No, it's not purpose, objective.
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SPEAKER_03: Object objective I'm not talking about what it says in the books.
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SPEAKER_00: No, no.
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SPEAKER_00: But regardless if you want to say, okay, we're not holding there what it says in the books, practically speaking, Davening is supposed to help you set up your day so that when you go out into the world, you have a a sense, a leftover feeling of Heragish Elocus.
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SPEAKER_03: So why why are you saying that's the objective of Davening?
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SPEAKER_03: That's the outcome of Davening after you walk away.
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SPEAKER_03: The objective of covenant of Davening is to connect to Elukos, and that rememory of it or whatever, that change that it puts you into should continue the rest of the day.
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SPEAKER_03: You should be able to access that.
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SPEAKER_00: Of course, but what I'm saying is serenity is not going to, or I don't think serenity would accomplish that.
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SPEAKER_00: I think sort of that the that that accomplishment of the outcome of bringing it into the rest of the year.
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SPEAKER_03: I can say to you, I'll be serene during the rest of the day.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, but the the challenges and the things that are gonna come up maybe not.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, I don't know.
17:49
SPEAKER_03: Forget about practical.
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SPEAKER_03: I want to know this guy.
17:52
SPEAKER_03: Let's talk for this guy.
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SPEAKER_03: And you know a heck of a lot of guys who do this, whether they do it by the way, out of the minion or under their talus in the minion.
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SPEAKER_03: And their objective is I should feel serene.
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SPEAKER_03: So I'm gonna deep breathe under my talus.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna sing my favorite song under the whatever your objective is, doesn't make a difference to the manner in which you apply it.
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SPEAKER_03: Your goal is serenity.
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SPEAKER_03: Is that the goal of Davening?
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SPEAKER_03: It's the objective, by the way, of Eastern meditation.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's bad to say that that's one objective.
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SPEAKER_03: I didn't say bad or not bad.
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SPEAKER_03: I want to know if it's the objective.
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SPEAKER_00: It could be one of the objectives, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think that's the ultimate objective.
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SPEAKER_03: Ultimate or shmaltimate.
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SPEAKER_03: Talk about this guy, and there's many of them who think that real davening doesn't exist.
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SPEAKER_03: So I'm gonna sit on my couch, Shah Bis morning, I'm gonna have my coffee, and I'm gonna meditate, whatever that means, and it's not on a mimer, I can guarantee you that.
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SPEAKER_03: And I'm gonna meditate, and I'm going to feel serene.
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SPEAKER_03: That is the objective in that sense, and that's what I'm saying is a passive energy.
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SPEAKER_01: Is Davening's meant to be a masculine energy?
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SPEAKER_01: That's my question.
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SPEAKER_03: When you're saying the words of Davening, are you makable the words?
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SPEAKER_03: Or are the words a sword in your hand?
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SPEAKER_03: That's my question.
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SPEAKER_03: And I find it f very interesting because and it's not a simple question, but it's not a simple answer either, because in many places it says we are the Kala and the Abish the Chasin.
19:58
SPEAKER_03: And I'm surprised you haven't brought up that it says in Chasidis, Isrus Dela Tata, Isarusa Delayla.
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SPEAKER_03: Isarusa Dila Tata usually means lamata, and Isus Dela Eyla, the arousal from above, is Lama'ila, is dachar, is male.
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SPEAKER_00: You don't like when I give Chasidis philosophy honestry for bringing it.
20:17
SPEAKER_03: No, I of course I like it if you mean it.
20:20
SPEAKER_03: Not if you're just mouthing it.
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SPEAKER_03: So is your relationship, let's make it even more sharp, is your relationship with God passive or aggressive?
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SPEAKER_03: If we can bring God into the picture, I don't know.
20:35
SPEAKER_03: Are we allowed to bring God into the picture?
20:38
SPEAKER_03: I've been speaking a lot about God for myself and in other places.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm starting to think that I may um kind of cement myself into a corner and get obsolete.
20:52
SPEAKER_03: Why are you talking about God so much?
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SPEAKER_03: Feeling God, seeing God, whatever.
20:58
SPEAKER_03: God, God, God, God, God.
20:59
SPEAKER_03: I've told that my whole life.
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SPEAKER_03: So what so what's the answer?
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SPEAKER_03: Do you understand that this guy is saying what he's saying, really, without him saying it, that dovening is passivity, is something you can't relate to because it's not rising to the objective of the passivity that brings serenity?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:23
SPEAKER_00: I got that now.
21:24
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
21:24
SPEAKER_00: You brought it up very well.
21:26
SPEAKER_03: So it took me a while because I'm a slow thinker.
21:29
SPEAKER_03: So is that resonate with you that that's what Devani is?
21:36
SPEAKER_03: I isn't the mushroom isn't the language we use basically suffer, swallow, suck it up, and move keep on going.
21:50
SPEAKER_03: And we venerate that kind of behavior.
21:54
SPEAKER_03: Gullis is a place for you to be.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, passive.
22:04
SPEAKER_03: Isn't that the message we give in our stories?
22:07
SPEAKER_03: And where are the stories of power in Jewish stories?
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SPEAKER_03: I find it so fascinating that that's not what I see.
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SPEAKER_03: I they say it's power by being passive.
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SPEAKER_03: You'll be rewarded to have powerful outcomes when you are basically, we in Lubavic and Russia they call it Bittl.
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SPEAKER_03: In Poland, they may call Chasidish and Kydish and Movdal and whatever languages, but that's the way at least people seem to kick it around.
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SPEAKER_03: And there's a fear that if I see myself as powerful, I'll end up getting rid of God.
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SPEAKER_03: And when you turn from, dear friend, at that moment of the turn, were you feeling power or were you feeling um passivity slash serenity?
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SPEAKER_00: I was feeling incredible power.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay.
23:14
SPEAKER_03: So where do we get this concept from?
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SPEAKER_03: That first of all, I could ask, you know, why is why is it do you think that this Jungermann associates doveing?
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SPEAKER_03: First of all, by the way, he's gonna say his passivity in his own room is power.
23:38
SPEAKER_03: Serenity is power.
23:40
SPEAKER_03: Now I guess it is if you're completely under anxiety, right?
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SPEAKER_03: But if why does he think dovening is not power and is not the serenity that gives him power that he sits in his room with?
23:58
SPEAKER_00: Well, Hasidis also calls Davening uh a Malkama, a war, a battle.
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SPEAKER_03: So if you lose that battle I'm gonna suggest to you that the Jewish psyche feels serene when it's in the throes of battle, and we don't dovin in a way of in general, in a way of battle.
24:23
SPEAKER_03: We doven in a way of serenity and passivity, and that's why he feels that way.
24:34
SPEAKER_00: I mean, but wouldn't he then relate to Davening?
24:36
SPEAKER_00: Because that's what he's trying to do.
24:37
SPEAKER_03: No, because he's been taught his whole life differently, he's seen differently.
24:44
SPEAKER_03: What does he see?
24:45
SPEAKER_03: He says the battle is have to show up because he doesn't like it.
24:50
SPEAKER_03: So therefore he's not coming there anymore, he's staying in it on his couch and finding serenity in his whatever he's feeling when he's divining, uh, when he's sitting alone.
25:01
SPEAKER_03: But I'm asking, why doesn't he experience it that?
25:04
SPEAKER_03: Why isn't he taught that way?
25:06
SPEAKER_03: About we're learning Basilagani for the last two years.
25:12
SPEAKER_03: What is the main point of Basilagani?
25:15
SPEAKER_03: Is that there needs to be the ammunition to beat the Shekhar Ha'ilam, the lie of the world, and what's that ammunition that God is below and above without end?
25:30
SPEAKER_03: Right?
25:31
SPEAKER_03: But you need to pull all the stops out to win the war.
25:38
SPEAKER_03: So when we bring up our children to be passive, and and I'm gonna give you an example.
25:47
SPEAKER_03: I had my own my own in my own case in my own family, where one of my children they wanted him to put on uh on Ritalin.
25:56
SPEAKER_04: Right?
25:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
25:58
SPEAKER_03: Turns out he he would have probably died if he would have been put on Ritalin, but that's a different discussion.
26:02
SPEAKER_03: Why do they want to put him on Ritalin?
26:05
SPEAKER_00: To control him.
26:06
SPEAKER_03: To control him.
26:07
SPEAKER_03: What is control?
26:10
SPEAKER_01: What's the outcome of control?
26:14
SPEAKER_01: Passivity.
26:18
SPEAKER_03: If you treat your kids like you're training, like my like my like a guy who owns a dog and they train the dog to lie down and roll over, and then if it's barking, it goes back into its cage and shuts up.
26:31
SPEAKER_03: Is that what we're looking for?
26:33
SPEAKER_03: But that's what we're training when it comes to gallons.
26:36
SPEAKER_03: That's what we're training when there's a problem.
26:39
SPEAKER_03: Is we say, suck it up, see what happens.
26:43
SPEAKER_03: Eventually the abusha is gonna come and take away the problem.
26:48
SPEAKER_03: Is that what really the Torah's message is?
26:51
SPEAKER_03: It's the way we teach it.
26:54
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I hear that.
26:56
SPEAKER_00: I hear you, I hear where you're coming from now.
26:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
27:00
SPEAKER_03: And what what's the schnitz going on over here?
27:05
SPEAKER_00: So how do we how do you switch?
27:08
SPEAKER_03: How do I switch?
27:09
SPEAKER_03: How do you switch for myself?
27:11
SPEAKER_00: How do you switch if you've been doing that type of divening this whole time?
27:15
SPEAKER_03: Or not doing.
27:16
SPEAKER_00: Or not doing, right?
27:18
SPEAKER_00: Then how do you switch?
27:19
SPEAKER_03: Well, most people are not doing Daven even when they're dovening.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm saying the ones who are trying and then are doing and are doing it in the passive way.
27:26
SPEAKER_00: How do you make sure?
27:27
SPEAKER_03: So the first that's why I'm asking this question.
27:30
SPEAKER_03: Is it is divening passive or aggressive?
27:33
SPEAKER_03: Is it masculine or is it feminine?
27:35
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so if I want to have a masculine Davening Ruven, what do I do?
27:40
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
27:41
SPEAKER_03: Well, first of all, you have to have the right attitude.
27:43
SPEAKER_03: And this is all me speaking.
27:46
SPEAKER_03: And if lightning comes through the ceiling and God forbid takes me away, you'll know that I'm wrong.
27:52
SPEAKER_03: I'm not saying if it doesn't happen, that you'll know that I'm right.
27:55
SPEAKER_03: No, that's not my point.
27:57
SPEAKER_03: I'm just saying that I'm a you know, I'm being vulnerable now because I don't know if I know what I'm talking about.
28:03
SPEAKER_03: I'm just saying how I feel.
28:07
SPEAKER_03: When you dovean, you are penetrating the wall between Teva and Lamila Mina Teva.
28:20
SPEAKER_03: Both within yourself and the response.
28:25
SPEAKER_03: That's what it means.
28:26
SPEAKER_03: Isudutati isudalaila.
28:28
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
28:28
SPEAKER_03: So it's a penetration.
28:31
SPEAKER_03: Right?
28:32
SPEAKER_00: Got it.
28:32
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
28:33
SPEAKER_03: That's masculine.
28:37
SPEAKER_03: Now, do you feel what would be so to speak weakness?
28:46
SPEAKER_03: And it goes back to the 12th step, it's very interesting.
28:49
SPEAKER_03: I am helpless, I need a higher power.
28:52
SPEAKER_03: So if you're helpless, isn't that weakness?
28:56
SPEAKER_03: And here we're saying you're penetrating the wall between Teva, which means I'm stuck.
29:03
SPEAKER_03: Right?
29:04
SPEAKER_03: The money hasn't materialized.
29:08
SPEAKER_03: I don't know what to do anymore.
29:10
SPEAKER_03: I have all these bills coming in in the mailbox, and I don't know what to do anymore.
29:17
SPEAKER_01: So what would be the passive approach to diveting at that point?
29:26
SPEAKER_01: Can you imagine that?
29:29
SPEAKER_01: Ever been there?
29:32
SPEAKER_03: What's the answer to Batachin in the classical genre of Orthodox Judaism as to how do you know that you've learned the Sikha?
29:42
SPEAKER_03: How do you know with certainty that it's gonna turn out that the money will come into your mailbox, into your bank, and therefore all the bills will get paid?
29:50
SPEAKER_03: Where's the Vadois in Batachin?
29:53
SPEAKER_03: Well, that's the classical answer.
29:55
SPEAKER_03: Do you remember?
29:56
SPEAKER_03: Tell me.
29:57
SPEAKER_03: Well, you gotta, you know, listen, you gotta learn the bullet, the the nuclear bomb uh sichs, you gotta know them off bahard.
30:04
SPEAKER_03: The classical answer is if I get the money in the bank, it's Hashem.
30:10
SPEAKER_03: If I don't get the money in the bank, it's Hashem.
30:13
SPEAKER_03: Therefore, however it flies, I'm good.
30:18
SPEAKER_03: It's a great level to be on, right?
30:21
SPEAKER_03: I would think so.
30:23
SPEAKER_03: What does the Rebbe say to that?
30:26
SPEAKER_03: The Rebbe schlugs that up and says, that's true.
30:29
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'm not sure if he says the words true, but that's good.
30:33
SPEAKER_03: But the average person is not going to feel calm and betachin if he thinks that it's not going to go his way.
30:38
SPEAKER_03: So that's not a good enough answer.
30:43
SPEAKER_03: Is saying no matter what way it goes, I'm good.
30:49
SPEAKER_03: Is that passive or aggressive?
30:54
SPEAKER_00: Passive.
30:55
SPEAKER_03: Totally.
30:57
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
30:57
SPEAKER_03: And the Reb is saying, let's be real.
31:01
SPEAKER_03: There's a mitzvah betah, and the average guy thinking that it's gonna go south, as they say, he's not gonna feel calm, and therefore he does it's not betah.
31:16
SPEAKER_03: So we don't want to play but but but what the but the average answer is um meanwhile, the average answer is passivity.
31:29
SPEAKER_03: Meanwhile the Gumara says until the last moment, and you have God forbid a sword on your neck, you're supposed to still dove into the Abishta that you should be saved.
31:38
SPEAKER_03: Is that passive or aggressive?
31:41
SPEAKER_00: That's aggressive.
31:43
SPEAKER_03: So where does all this tatil kite come from?
31:48
SPEAKER_03: Now let me ask you this.
31:51
SPEAKER_03: In the context of what we're talking about, is passivity comfortable or not?
32:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it would be comfortable.
32:03
SPEAKER_03: Not the guy Davening and his who thinks that he's meditating and is in his on his couch.
32:09
SPEAKER_03: No matter what way it falls, I'm good with that.
32:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, comfortable.
32:13
SPEAKER_03: Really?
32:13
SPEAKER_03: The Reb is saying it's not comfortable.
32:15
SPEAKER_00: No, he's saying that he's effectively lying to himself.
32:20
SPEAKER_03: Um no, the Reb is saying that can't be the mahus of the mitzvah because for most people it doesn't apply.
32:25
SPEAKER_03: Right?
32:26
SPEAKER_00: Because you can you can't do it.
32:28
SPEAKER_03: Why can't you do it?
32:31
SPEAKER_03: So then so then what does it mean you're doing it?
32:35
SPEAKER_03: You're being passive and uncomfortable.
32:40
SPEAKER_03: That's like the word lying out.
32:43
SPEAKER_03: As I was saying, there's for Slampatachan, but okay.
32:47
SPEAKER_03: So passive does it feel comfortable or uncomfortable to be aggressive in this context?
33:01
SPEAKER_03: Does it feel comfortable to be powerful?
33:08
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
33:09
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
33:09
SPEAKER_00: Who you got you have the confidence you know that it's gonna not not know.
33:15
SPEAKER_00: You do know, you just said that.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: No, you don't know nothing.
33:17
SPEAKER_00: You just said the batachin is knowing.
33:20
SPEAKER_03: The batachin, I never said the word knowing.
33:23
SPEAKER_03: It's where is the Vadois that it's gonna happen?
33:27
SPEAKER_03: The whole shot in the Rebbe's Sikha is my power comes from the granting of a mitzvah that gave me the power.
33:38
SPEAKER_03: It's not that the I feel I feel comfortable and strong because I know the money, I can see the money in the bank.
33:47
SPEAKER_03: Because that's lying to yourself as much as the other side of the equation.
33:54
SPEAKER_03: When are you not lying to yourself that my power comes from the Abers power?
33:59
SPEAKER_03: That is my power.
34:01
SPEAKER_03: Because he granted me the power to make change because of Davening.
34:06
SPEAKER_03: Now there's certain prerequisites.
34:11
unknown: Okay.
34:12
SPEAKER_03: I hear so maybe the only reason why we're generally stuck in the other way, I don't know if this is all making sense to this whole thing, but in the other way is two reasons.
34:27
SPEAKER_03: Number one is we're in gullus, so we're all screwed up in the head anyways.
34:31
SPEAKER_03: But and and we're keeping that gullus, you know, saving mo uh saving out by saying you weren't bottle enough.
34:44
SPEAKER_01: But I think that where is there more work to do?
34:52
SPEAKER_01: When you're passive or when you're aggressive.
34:56
SPEAKER_00: When you're aggressive.
34:57
SPEAKER_03: Right.
34:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:00
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
35:01
SPEAKER_03: So we go in a circle because we don't think we can get anywhere, so therefore I'm gonna be passive, and I can't feel uncomfortable I feel uncomfortable being thinking I have power.
35:12
SPEAKER_03: So um and uh it really uh disturbed me that there's a young Lebabisher that can't feel comfortable diving with a sitter on on Shabbos.
35:38
SPEAKER_03: That's the mushroom that uh came from I mean the concept where I was told this, but he can feel comfortable meditating, feeling serene, feeling himself, and that means something is awry here.
35:59
SPEAKER_03: You know, one of the maybe the amazing things that Lababachas have, and that's why there's so many fights over it, is that we have the inner shlichas.
36:07
SPEAKER_03: On one hand, you're granted the koyach to be a sh a shliach by the Mishalach, which means it's passive.
36:14
SPEAKER_03: But on the other hand, if you don't run with it and do your own work with it and be aggressive with it, then it goes nowhere.
36:26
SPEAKER_03: Right?
36:26
SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
36:28
SPEAKER_03: So so so what are we concluding here for yourself tonight?
36:32
SPEAKER_00: Well, I asked you what to do if you want to switch from Davening in the feminine to Davening in the masculine.
36:41
SPEAKER_00: So and I didn't, I don't know if I got the full.
36:43
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so so that's good, good.
36:45
SPEAKER_03: You know, I was being passive.
36:47
SPEAKER_03: Um first of all, if you don't learn Chasidis, there's nothing to talk about.
36:52
SPEAKER_03: That's I'm convinced of that.
36:57
SPEAKER_03: If you're not learning about God, is it is it passive or aggressive to learn about God?
37:04
SPEAKER_03: Right?
37:05
SPEAKER_03: So the argument against Chasidis is you can't grasp God.
37:08
SPEAKER_03: God is beyond your gr your intellect, God is beyond all knowing, so shut up and just suck it up.
37:14
SPEAKER_03: And comes Chasidis, one of the people in my c in my uh I give a class every week to women in in Oshlomo, and we're learning the myths of Abba Manasala Kus, and one of the people told me, I can't come tonight.
37:29
SPEAKER_03: So, why not?
37:30
SPEAKER_03: I didn't say why not, but I was reading the text.
37:32
SPEAKER_03: Why not?
37:33
SPEAKER_03: I'm not in the mood for Chabad's grappling with the intellect.
37:37
SPEAKER_03: I'm right now only feeling the I just want to feel the energy and feel the the vibes of how I'm feeling, etc.
37:48
SPEAKER_03: etc.
37:48
SPEAKER_03: Which sounds more like the guy sitting on Shabbos on his couch.
37:52
SPEAKER_03: And what do you mean we're gr you grappling with God in Chasidis is not feminine?
38:02
SPEAKER_03: That's for sure, right?
38:05
SPEAKER_03: It's masculine, it's a masculine thing in general.
38:10
SPEAKER_03: Learning in that whole schnitt.
38:12
SPEAKER_03: Okay, but if you don't learn chassidis, I mean the whole thing goes out the door.
38:19
SPEAKER_03: What is it?
38:20
SPEAKER_03: What is the average guy who doesn't learn chasidis doven for?
38:25
SPEAKER_00: Money.
38:25
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so he dovens for his own things.
38:27
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
38:28
SPEAKER_03: And what's he saying?
38:29
SPEAKER_03: What am I doing by dovening?
38:31
SPEAKER_03: Like, what is it that I'm doing to get that's gonna get the money?
38:35
SPEAKER_03: How is that happening?
38:37
SPEAKER_03: So I'm sending out like spitballs to heaven with my request on it, and hopefully Hashem will answer and send back the spitball with a little bit of cash wrapped around it.
38:52
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
38:52
SPEAKER_03: Right, okay.
38:54
SPEAKER_03: Is that passive or aggressive?
38:58
SPEAKER_03: Is that power or powerlessness?
39:01
SPEAKER_03: And the very fact that you think you're sending up a message afar, I'm calling it a spitball, is passive, is helpless.
39:11
SPEAKER_00: So again, I'm asking you what to do.
39:14
SPEAKER_03: So that's why I'm first I'm saying if you don't learn how soid is you're dead in the water.
39:17
SPEAKER_03: You don't know who you are, you don't know what God is, and you don't know how the two meet.
39:22
SPEAKER_03: Everything else in between is without is a Dremel.
39:26
SPEAKER_03: And yeah, you make it up.
39:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:28
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
39:29
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
39:30
SPEAKER_03: So I can sit and I can take ayahuasca, or I can go into my living room and meditate.
39:36
SPEAKER_03: And I did that way before I knew anything Jewish, and I had a lot of good experiences, but it's not um what we're talking about.
39:46
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so you gotta you have to learn how to say this.
39:49
SPEAKER_03: I think it comes down to the same thing we speak about so often, and so difficult, which I don't really understand why when you think about it, but it is difficult, and that is what do you want?
40:00
SPEAKER_03: Not what do you want in money, in cars, in even learning, if you that's where you what you want.
40:09
SPEAKER_03: What do you want in totality?
40:13
SPEAKER_03: How do you want what feelings?
40:16
SPEAKER_03: What kind of life do you want to lead?
40:19
SPEAKER_03: What kind of not what do you have?
40:21
SPEAKER_03: You're the person, right?
40:23
SPEAKER_03: There's many rich people who are depressed.
40:25
SPEAKER_03: There's many poor people who are who are excited and joyful.
40:31
SPEAKER_03: So it has nothing to do with how much money you have in the bank account.
40:34
SPEAKER_03: Is that the kind of person you want to be?
40:35
SPEAKER_03: That I can be kicked around based on my economic standing?
40:38
SPEAKER_03: Is that your ultimate place you want to be?
40:40
SPEAKER_03: Obviously, the average thinking person will say no.
40:43
SPEAKER_03: So what kind of living do you want to live?
40:48
SPEAKER_03: What kind of what's gonna be my driving internal drive?
40:54
SPEAKER_00: And how is that gonna make your dominating masculine?
40:56
unknown: Wait.
40:57
SPEAKER_03: What do you mean?
40:58
SPEAKER_03: How's that masculine?
41:00
SPEAKER_03: All of masculinity is darka laish.
41:04
SPEAKER_03: It's the way of the man to search for his to search for the woman.
41:10
SPEAKER_03: It's the way of the man to create, it's the way of the man to figure out how am I gonna get past this challenge?
41:17
SPEAKER_03: It's the way of the man to grow things.
41:20
SPEAKER_03: I can put it right back to our to our to the recent politics.
41:25
SPEAKER_03: Is communism and left-wing lifestyle passive or aggressive?
41:36
SPEAKER_00: Passive.
41:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:41
SPEAKER_03: And so so what is the left what's a classic left wing?
41:45
SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, it's getting hot here on the globe.
41:48
SPEAKER_03: It must be because of global warming, blah, blah, blah, with all the things about the oil and da-da-da-da-da.
41:53
SPEAKER_03: Or when I uh 20 years ago, 30 years ago, it was we're gonna run out of oil.
41:58
SPEAKER_03: Right?
41:58
SPEAKER_03: That was the big crisis.
41:59
SPEAKER_03: We're gonna run out of electricity and oil and everything else.
42:02
SPEAKER_03: We're all gonna freeze to death.
42:03
SPEAKER_03: Now it's global warming.
42:04
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
42:05
SPEAKER_03: But no one understood that there would be LED lights instead of the incandescent lights, which already cuts down, for example, the use of electricity a lot.
42:16
SPEAKER_03: Nobody understood that how the different components of the car is gonna create a different usage of gasoline.
42:25
SPEAKER_03: And no one thought about um a Tesla.
42:28
SPEAKER_03: And very people have thought, very few people thought that we could be built to power everything by solar 40, 50 years ago.
42:36
SPEAKER_03: And things have changed.
42:37
SPEAKER_03: And we're using less and less and less, we're using more in terms of the population, but less and less in terms of what it's actually consuming.
42:45
SPEAKER_03: And what's the what's the reason?
42:47
SPEAKER_03: Because somebody said, How am I going to figure out this problem?
42:53
SPEAKER_03: How are we going to get around this challenge and use this challenge for me to think through to the next level?
43:01
SPEAKER_03: That's masculine.
43:04
SPEAKER_03: And so um so knowing what you want and setting up your goal for it puts you in a position as I'm gonna need X, Y, and Z to get that.
43:22
SPEAKER_03: Now, I'm not talking simply about paying uh if I'm it's gonna pay for your Skar Limut for your kids.
43:30
SPEAKER_03: But the question is when you go up to Duven and the school has given you a bill, and you're doveing because you're afraid of that bill that's sitting on your desk, is that passive or aggressive?
43:49
SPEAKER_01: It's passive.
43:51
SPEAKER_01: You're powerless, and you're pleading for money.
43:56
SPEAKER_03: When you're dovening and you're saying, I have.
44:00
SPEAKER_03: The need to make a living.
44:02
SPEAKER_03: And I decide I'm going to do it this way.
44:06
SPEAKER_03: And I'm going to make it happen.
44:08
SPEAKER_03: And I'm going to go doveen to connect everything that I need and everything I'm going to doveen for to God.
44:16
SPEAKER_03: So God is my higher power in this position.
44:19
SPEAKER_03: And any challenge that comes along, God is and I are going to work together.
44:24
SPEAKER_03: And my highest and my ability to get up in the morning comes from God.
44:30
SPEAKER_03: Not granted by God.
44:32
SPEAKER_03: Is God happening within me?
44:35
SPEAKER_03: That's aggressive.
44:39
SPEAKER_03: That's the guy.
44:40
SPEAKER_03: What's the guy who went up to Mount Everest?
44:43
SPEAKER_03: The first guy?
44:44
SPEAKER_03: Edmund Hillary, I think.
44:45
SPEAKER_03: That's an Edmund Hillary.
44:48
SPEAKER_03: I'm trudging up the mountain.
44:50
SPEAKER_03: I'm not sitting shivering at the bottom.
44:55
SPEAKER_03: And I think that for I could speak for myself and I can speak for other people, that I think that that's somehow we think that we're powerless.
45:07
SPEAKER_03: So the first thing is to know your objective.
45:08
SPEAKER_03: The second thing, and Talunch said is this the third thing is you have to be today, you have to be connected to the Rebbe's Sikhs.
45:17
SPEAKER_03: Not as a sagula.
45:20
SPEAKER_03: The Rebbe is our mentor.
45:23
SPEAKER_03: The Rebbe is our coach.
45:26
SPEAKER_03: The Rebbe is the one who sees through everything and tells you, do this, it'll work.
45:33
SPEAKER_03: That's without that, well, you know, go back to passive Dhavani.
45:41
SPEAKER_03: And you know, one of the for me, I'm sorry for talking so much, but it's Rosh Khilish Kislev, and I'm allowed to be a fool.
45:52
SPEAKER_03: The one of the words for Kislev is full.
45:54
SPEAKER_03: One of the meanings is full.
45:56
SPEAKER_03: Um isn't it interesting that the greatest Khasidim that we point to lived lives of hell?
46:07
SPEAKER_00: Of course.
46:07
SPEAKER_03: Right?
46:07
SPEAKER_03: Mendel Futovas, anyone who came from Russia, and they were dubbing for hours, and their lives from our American point of view sucked.
46:21
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
46:22
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
46:23
SPEAKER_03: Did they enjoy their dubbing?
46:27
SPEAKER_00: Would have guessed so, yes.
46:29
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
46:29
SPEAKER_03: But meanwhile, why weren't they feeling broken in the place that they were living in?
46:40
SPEAKER_03: And why were they how could they feel enjoyment for six hours definitely?
46:48
SPEAKER_00: Well, I guess in the the feminine approach they wouldn't be able to.
46:53
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
46:55
SPEAKER_00: Understood.
46:56
SPEAKER_03: But it's circular because on one hand, you're being a macable from the Avishta, on the other hand, you're using the power that you're being macabre to be male, to be Mashpiya.
47:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
47:08
SPEAKER_03: So but if you don't have an now, maybe their objectives were obvious.
47:12
SPEAKER_03: I have to raise money for Tom Khitamim, and it's all under the under the under wraps and uh uh uh uh uh under lock and key, no one should find out about it, how am I gonna raise?
47:23
SPEAKER_03: Blah blah blah blah blah.
47:25
SPEAKER_03: Uh and they had to do what they had to do.
47:27
SPEAKER_03: They had an obvious war to fight.
47:31
SPEAKER_03: What's what's our czarist Russia inside?
47:36
SPEAKER_03: Do we have one?
47:37
SPEAKER_03: You know?
47:38
SPEAKER_03: Um it's just interesting how to me we're coming up to Yuttes Kislev, and I was thinking about it by the way.
47:50
SPEAKER_03: Yesterday was the Kines Ashluchem.
47:53
SPEAKER_03: I'd been there when it was still small.
47:56
SPEAKER_03: Now it's huge.
47:59
SPEAKER_03: Six thousand people dancing.
48:00
SPEAKER_03: It's unbelievable.
48:02
SPEAKER_03: Right?
48:03
SPEAKER_03: They put it all over the place.
48:04
SPEAKER_03: It's on Facebook, it's on anti-Semite Facebook, it's everywhere.
48:12
SPEAKER_03: How does the average guy in Pomona relate to that Kenasa Schlucha?
48:20
SPEAKER_03: How do you relate to it?
48:22
SPEAKER_03: Not what do you think of it.
48:24
SPEAKER_03: How do you relate to it in the fact that you're not there?
48:29
SPEAKER_03: In the participating in this very high moment.
48:33
SPEAKER_03: Do you ever ask yourself that question?
48:35
SPEAKER_03: You feel that?
48:36
SPEAKER_03: Or you just don't look at it?
48:37
SPEAKER_03: You don't feel I just don't look at it.
48:38
SPEAKER_03: You don't look at it.
48:39
SPEAKER_03: But if I force it now to look for you to look at it.
48:44
SPEAKER_03: What is what the message in Lebavich has been if you're not a shliach, you're basically not a labavager.
48:54
SPEAKER_03: It's Lebavich to be a shliach.
48:57
SPEAKER_03: Right?
48:58
SPEAKER_03: So that means that if I'm not a shliach, I'm I'm not a Lebavacher.
49:04
SPEAKER_03: You know, and I think I've said this before.
49:08
SPEAKER_03: When the Rebbe pushed Shlichas in the beginning, people didn't go.
49:11
SPEAKER_03: The Rebbe had to fight tooth and nail to get people to go on Schlichas.
49:15
SPEAKER_03: Right.
49:15
SPEAKER_03: Why?
49:17
SPEAKER_03: Why were they fighting?
49:19
SPEAKER_03: Besides the fact that somebody's not gonna have a pizza shop to go to or see their parents every week.
49:31
SPEAKER_03: From the point of view of the Chasidim?
49:35
SPEAKER_03: How am I going to learn Davin and keep myself Chasid?
49:44
SPEAKER_03: You want me to go out into the into the desert?
49:48
SPEAKER_03: It was a legitimate concern, which the Rebbe addressed over and over and over and over again.
49:56
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
49:57
SPEAKER_03: Do people go on schlichas in that way today?
50:00
SPEAKER_03: No.
50:00
SPEAKER_03: No.
50:00
SPEAKER_03: They say going on schlichas is I'm gonna be a chosid if I go.
50:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
50:04
SPEAKER_03: Not that I'm gonna have my serious nephish to go there.
50:07
SPEAKER_03: On the contrary, I'm gonna have a better life than the the dummies that are staying behind in Crown Heights in apartments.
50:15
SPEAKER_03: That's cut to the chase.
50:17
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna have a beautiful home in wherever it is.
50:20
SPEAKER_03: Now the guys who I can't say this is true for the guys who go off to Russia and Slovenia.
50:25
SPEAKER_03: I think I just saw somebody's going to Slovenia.
50:27
SPEAKER_03: I don't know what Slovenia's like, but I guess it's not like Palm Springs.
50:31
SPEAKER_03: So what's if that's Monsieur's Nefesh to go in Schlichis, what's the the the normal place to be?
50:48
SPEAKER_00: 770.
50:49
SPEAKER_03: 770, but what's the normal place space to be in?
50:53
SPEAKER_03: Normal space to be in is a chasid who learns chassidis and he dovens and he learns and he meditates on chasidis and so on and so forth.
51:03
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
51:04
SPEAKER_03: If we drop, we may learn chasidis to a degree.
51:08
SPEAKER_03: Obviously, they learn in yeshiva.
51:09
SPEAKER_03: The question is how are they teaching it?
51:11
SPEAKER_03: Are they teaching it passivity or are they teaching strength and power?
51:15
SPEAKER_03: And I'm going to suggest that all the boys, like this guy who came to me this morning and said, I don't dovin, but I meditate, are all being pushed in off to the side because we're not giving the message enough of how geschmuck, how wonderful, how powerful, and for the Bachram, how masculine it is to know how to doveen and to doven properly.
51:42
SPEAKER_03: And that's how you want to go, Lunacosidus, with that objective.
51:45
SPEAKER_00: Okay and Libra.
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