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Why Hashimoto's self sabotage is not a willpower problem ⎸ Ep. 207 with Dr. Tabatha Barker · Health with Hashimoto’s - Thyroid or Immune Education for Autoimmune Thyroid Disease

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You are a whole person. You cannot separate the different aspects of the whole you.
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Body, mind, spirit, diet, environment. They come together to make you.
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Each part is important.
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Each part impacts the others. And of course, and they all interact to make you.
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Today's guest is Dr. Tabitha. She is a board certified OBGYN and she has shifted.
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She spent 20 years in Western medicine and then she has now shifted
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to helping people with their whole health, specifically focusing on the spiritual
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health and how that impacts hormones and weight and stress and everything.
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I hope that you enjoy this episode. She also interviewed me on her podcast, which is Fast to Faith.
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So you can head over there and listen to both parts of this interview.
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And another episode you might want to listen to is episode 40 of Health with
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Hashimoto's. In that episode, I talk about spiritual stress,
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what it is, how it impacts your overall health, and different things you can do.
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And that is regardless of if your spiritual beliefs match with mine.
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I talk about it from a broad perspective. That is episode 40.
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I will have a link down in the show notes to that episode, as well as to Dr.
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Tabitha's podcast, Fast to Faith.
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Hashimoto's is an autoimmune condition. That means your immune system is attacking
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your thyroid. But knowing that is only the beginning.
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This summer series is built in three phases. Phase one was understanding what's
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happening in your body. Phase two is learning how to think about what you're learning.
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And phase three is building your own personal discernment framework with support.
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So most women with Hashimoto's have a lot of information.
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What they're missing is a filter, a way to evaluate what applies to them specifically.
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That is what this series is now designed to give you.
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If you want to start with a foundation, check with the show notes for Hashimoto's
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Decoded, new name, Hashimoto's Decoded, thyroid or immune.
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In less than one hour, I will walk you through the most common root causes and
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help you identify where to focus.
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My name is Esther Yunkin. I'm a registered nurse, holistic health educator,
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and the host of this podcast, Health with Hashimoto's.
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I believe your health is a blend of five interconnected areas,
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body, mind, spirit, diet, and environment.
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Let's work through this together. Welcome, Dr. Tabitha. I have a quote from
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your book that I want to ask you about. It says, intense prayer and meditation
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permanently changes numerous structures and functions in the brain,
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altering your values and the way you perceive reality.
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Now, you are a doctor and you went through all the classical doctor training.
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They don't teach you to incorporate faith into your practice and talking to
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your patients about their spiritual health.
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So can you tell us what changed? Why do you now do that?
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Oh my goodness, this is really an important thing. And I know every woman listening
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has their own unique struggle.
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And what I've come to understand is that a lot of the trials and tribulations
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that we go through to build our character and to refine us.
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These stories, they're not supposed to just be for us.
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We're supposed to share what we've been through so that other people can have
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hope and be inspired like, yes, I can actually get through this fire because she did.
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I am passionate about sharing my story and getting the message out there that
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this stuff isn't meant to break you or tear you down. It's meant to build you
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and help you come back stronger.
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So I have had Hashimoto's since
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I was 17 years old, since I delivered my daughter. I am a teenage mom.
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I had a very traumatic pregnancy and delivery. I didn't use my voice or speak
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up for anything. All kinds of procedures were done to me. Nothing was explained.
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And because I wasn't using my voice and standing up for myself,
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that blockage, I believe, turned into my thyroid storm after my pregnancy.
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And I found myself losing so much weight. I was almost under 100 pounds.
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I was having heart palpitations, sweating profusely, very irritable.
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And it was because I was in this hyperthyroid storm.
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When your immune system starts attacking your thyroid, it dumps out everything
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that it has stored in there.
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And they sent me to the hospital, did some procedures on me,
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didn't really explain anything, gave me a medication and sent me in my way and
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said, you're good, you're fine.
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And unfortunately, that's not how it works.
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That is not how you can heal and be healthy. So I want to encourage every woman here, like,
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you've probably been told this is how it is or this is the treatment that you
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need, but I promise you there is more to the story.
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There's more to the story when it comes to your health and there's more to the
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story when it comes to why this happened to you.
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And the truth of it is that Sometimes I believe God allows these things for
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us to go through so that we can come out better on the other side.
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So when you put metal, gold into the fire, you burn off all the impurities.
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You come out like pure gold, shining, refined. And that is how I'm envisioning
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my life now that I'm looking back.
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I'm not saying it wasn't hard in the moment. What I'm saying was that I wouldn't
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take any of it back for anything. I'm so grateful for all of it.
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And that includes getting this diagnosis of Hashimoto's and understanding that
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God has had his hand in it since the beginning.
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He has allowed certain things for me to learn about myself, to build my character,
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and to now turn it from pain into purpose and go on and help thousands upon thousands of women.
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Really tackle their thyroid disease and their medical issues from the root cause
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and stop just accepting whatever the white coat says.
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Like I had to realize that getting that medication at 17 years old was not going
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to heal me, was not the answer. And so I went on this huge journey, and.
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You have to start to believe that there is a bigger source. You have a creator.
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You're not here on accident. I don't want to live thinking that I'm just like
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this blip on the screen, this accident that has no purpose.
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Who wants to live that way? Like, I truly believe I have a creator who created me for a purpose,
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and I'm made in his image, so he created me to create, And I'm here using what
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he's given me to create purpose and meaning for others and to serve others and to give back.
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And life is so much more rewarding when you approach it that way. It just is.
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It absolutely is. Yeah.
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I have never believed evolutionary theories about you're an accident and you just happened.
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It's so much more rich to know that you were created with a purpose by a loving
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creator who knows you inside and out,
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who sees the bad that happens and can use everything for good.
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And I'm just so thankful for your journey and that you have gone from that teen
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who got pregnant who was not healthy to now helping, like you said,
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thousands of women absolutely transform their health.
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So tell us how you incorporate faith. So the name of your podcast,
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the name of your book, it's Fast to Faith.
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How do you incorporate faith into somebody's healing journey,
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especially if they don't love Jesus?
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I love this question because when I became a doctor, I got my marching orders
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from Jesus. I had to come to a moment in the birthing room with my daughter.
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For those women who have had babies, they know what being torn means.
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I had a fourth-degree tear, front to back. It couldn't have been any worse,
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and it changed me forever. But in that moment, God said, don't ever let this
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happen to any other woman.
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You need to get out there and share your message to use your voice.
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And so I went and I did that. I somehow went back on my GED,
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went to medical school, became a doctor, did all these things,
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found myself completely burnt out within the first few years of my medical practice.
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And had a failed back surgery, and laying on my back, I was like, God, why?
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Why are you not with me? Why is this so hard? Why can't I just help women?
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Why is my body failing me?
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And he was like, you left me in that delivery room.
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You didn't ask me to come on the journey with you. You've been trying to carry
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the entire burden of your life on your own, and that's why your back is broken.
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And you were trying to take care of all the patients, take care of your children.
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You were ignoring your broken marriage. You were not taking care of the vessel
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that I gave you to do this job.
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And so I had a lot of epiphanies during this seven days of laying in my bed, unable to move,
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and I started to understand and talk to him about the fact that I'm helping,
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patients, but they're not really getting better.
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They don't actually change. They go back to their old habits.
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They can't break up with Diet Coke and McDonald's and all the things.
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Just like I couldn't. I was addicted to sugar. I was addicted to gluten. And he was like.
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You have to stop doing this on your own. You were not created to be your own savior.
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You have a creator for a purpose, and let me take on that burden for you.
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And I started reading the Bible for the first time in my whole life,
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and that's really embarrassing to say because I was raised Catholic,
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but I never read the Bible.
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Here I am, 40 years old at the time, and I'm reading it, you know,
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looking at it going, oh my goodness, Jesus said, let me take your yoke.
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My yoke is easy and light. Like, let me take those burdens from you.
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And so I just started handing it all over.
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And that felt amazing. And then God was like, now you got to teach your patients how to do that.
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And it's not easy when And most of the people I was interacting with,
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they didn't want to talk about Jesus. They didn't want me to pray for them.
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They didn't even want to tap into that because it's like a can of worms.
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You open that. You can't close it back. These worms are going everywhere. And.
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Here's the thing. When you get that nudge, that whisper from your creator that
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you're supposed to be doing something, if you don't do it, it will eat you alive.
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It will cause you to feel depressed and moody and even crazy because you're
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not living in alignment with what your creator wants for you.
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And so when I finally gave in, the depression lifted, the misery,
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the struggle, just the burden lifted. I stopped having chronic back pain, all the things.
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And so I was like, okay, there's something to this obedience thing.
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And that is hard for me to say because I was a wild child.
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I didn't want to submit to authority. I didn't want anyone telling me what to do.
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But when I started listening to my creator and doing what he said like my health
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just improved dramatically the chronic pain the chronic fatigue the depression the the.
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Uncontrollable Hashimoto's, it all started to calm down because I was listening
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to him and he was saying, you need to honor this vessel that I gave you.
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You need to stop treating it like a garbage can and feeding it Taco Bell and
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Mountain Dew and M&Ms from the nurse's station.
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You actually have to take care of it.
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And then I started to just shift and think differently.
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And I realized if I could help my patients think about their body differently,
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then they could start having lasting, sustainable results. And the truth is
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you can't heal a body you hate.
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You just can't. You have to love your body.
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And a lot of women don't know how to do that because they don't feel loved.
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You know, their partner's cheating on them or nobody's showing up for them or
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their husband is like their third child or whatever. It's like they're not being
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poured into. They're not being loved on.
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And so they're just spent. They're done. They can't possibly think about taking
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care of themselves. And that's what I see in so many Hashimoto's patients.
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And so that is why you need a savior, because you need someone to pour into
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you and say, you know what?
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You're my daughter. I love you. I'm never going to leave you.
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I'm never going to forsake you. I am here for you.
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All you have to do is read my word and believe me because I keep my promises.
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And once I started just filling myself up with God's love, I was able to love
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myself enough to make myself a priority and to heal myself.
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And then I taught my patients how to do the same. And that has been a game changer
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in my practice and in my patients' lives.
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I know that was a long answer, but it's like, it's a journey,
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right, Esther? Like, it's a journey. And that's how it's supposed to be.
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There is no quick fix. There's no quick solution.
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Like, I truly believe that our last day on Earth is when we're done with our
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journey, when we're ready to move on. And so I'm like, I'm not done with my journey.
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I'm only half done. Like, I want to go till 100, you know?
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Right. Yeah. We live in a microwave society and everybody wants the fixes in five minutes.
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But that is not how we work as humans. There's always a journey.
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And always.
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Even I mean with your faith with feeling secure with,
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the only thing instant is when you confess your sins and believe in Jesus in
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an instant you are saved that's instantaneous everything else is a journey that
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takes time healing your faith everything,
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yeah and I'm so glad you said that because people think,
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okay if I accept Jesus as my savior.
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Or acknowledge my higher power like all of a sudden I'm just going to be perfect
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and everything should shift and that is not how it works being edified like,
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evolving into your new creation into your new being takes time the old you does
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have to die and sometimes I look at myself and I don't even recognize myself
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because like I wanted to be a rock star I was wild,
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I like loved to party and dance and do all the things and,
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I still love all that, but now it's like worship music, Christian music, different things.
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But that took time. That took time of me.
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Cultivating my relationship with God and learning to know Him as a good father and supporter of me.
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And that is how I healed. I really truly believe like, yes, I went gluten-free.
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Yes, I dealt with my gut infections from my stool test revelation,
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and I regulated my nervous system and did all of the root cause things.
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But the deepest root cause problem that I actually had is I didn't feel worthy.
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I didn't feel good enough.
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And I felt like I had to produce in order for people to love me.
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And God taught me like, no, you're loved just simply because you are you.
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And that is when I could stop and get out of burnout and actually heal.
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And so many women with Hashimoto's are being driven by these deeper issues in
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their identity that it doesn't matter what diet.
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You go on because you will always self-sabotage to whatever you believe you
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deserve or whatever believe that you are.
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So that's why women don't lose weight because they don't believe they can lose
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weight. That's why women don't heal because they don't believe they can. Right.
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Yes. And then you also said in your book, not just about what you believe,
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but what your body is trying to do. Let me find the quote here.
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You said, our body isn't doing this. I think you were talking about thyroid and autoimmune.
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Our body isn't doing this because it doesn't know how to work anymore.
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Our body does not betray us.
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It's doing this as a protective mechanism to maintain homeostasis and divert
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resources to the areas they are most needed.
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Can you explain that too?
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Yeah, that was a revelation I had Because in medical school, residency,
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All the things I was taught That, oh, your thyroid just gets sluggish It just
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poops out on you It doesn't know what it's doing Same thing with,
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like, the gallbladder just stops working And so,
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as a surgeon, I was taught We just remove the offending organ If the organ's
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not functioning properly Get rid of it, we don't need that.
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And God had to correct me on this. He was like, I actually gave you all of these
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parts for a purpose, and they all work together to do something,
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and I didn't create them to fail.
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Everything that you're doing in your life, all of the toxins in the environment.
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All of the things that you are doing are creating a burden on the body or a
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deficiency in the body, And so it's not functioning at the highest,
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most optimal level, but it is created to heal.
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And, you know, I used to think as the surgeon, I was the healer.
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If I do the surgery, I cut you open, I remove your uterus, I sew you back up, like I was healing you.
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And God was like, you don't make that skin grow back together.
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You don't make those muscles grow back together. You just re-approximate that
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tissue with some suture.
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I do the healing. I created that body to heal.
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And once I started to really believe that the body is designed to just start
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healing, like you get a cut on your arm, in a few days, it is gone.
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Your body actually knows what it's doing.
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And so your thyroid is not dumb. If your thyroid shifts into this hypothyroid picture,
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it is because something is going on in your body and it's trying to
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change and move resources to heal a gut infection or heal from surgery,
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or you're so stressed out and you're in go, go, go, fight or flight all the time
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that it thinks you are going to die. It's in survival mode.
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It's going to hold on to those resources with everything it has.
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That's why fasting can be detrimental in this situation, because fasting tells
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your body you're starving.
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I better hold on to everything you got stored in the pantry because nothing
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else is coming in and we're going to need this, you know, to get through the winter.
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And so it will hold on to your fat even harder.
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So that was one thing that was really eye-opening to me, was I realized we are designed to fast.
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God created our bodies to go without food and then to feast,
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to do this feast-famine cycle, this hunter-gatherer cycle, but we have to do it smartly.
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And what we are being taught is just eat less all the time.
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And that's not what God created. God created us to eat less often,
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but when we eat, we have to eat enough and nourish ourselves with what our body needs.
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That will make the thyroid happy.
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That will make it not think you're struggling and starving to death.
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And so a lot of the things we're doing, we have the right idea,
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but we just, we're a little bit skewed and we need to adjust some things.
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And a lot of it is because it's trendy, but I promise you fasting isn't a trend.
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It's how your body was designed. mind, you just have to do it in a smart way.
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Right. And how does somebody with Hashimoto's do it in a smart way?
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Because you said, you know, when you fast, your body is under stress.
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And I've shared on other podcast episodes that I have tried fasting and every
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time it seems to throw me into Hashimoto's flair.
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And so I'm trying to like ease into it.
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And I feel like every single time I try, and I'm sure this is other people's
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story too, every single time I try, my body is like, what are you doing? This is not okay.
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Well, first and foremost, we're going to call it the obvious.
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You don't really have weight to lose, which means you don't have a bunch of
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excess energy stored in your body that you can tap into and use.
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And your thyroid knows that. Your thyroid knows how much is stored up for those
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survival moments. Like it looks in the pantry and it sees what we have.
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And so if you don't have weight to lose, you really do need to be thoughtful
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about how you fast because we don't want to put that strain on the body and
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think that we're starving it.
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And so I teach this feast famine cycling of really.
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Making sure that we're leading with healthy fats, proteins, and fiber when you
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are eating so that you are nourished, so that your cells have the ingredients to make ATP or energy.
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And then when you take the food away, you're already in ketosis.
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Your body already knows how to burn fat for fuel instead of carbohydrates and sugar.
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Because if you go from a sugar burner into a fasted state, your blood sugar
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will drop, you will not be producing ketones, and it will not feel good.
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You'll be hangry and jittery and shaky and nauseous and all these terrible things and get a headache.
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So you want to make sure that you're eating enough healthy fats and that your
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body remembers how to make ketones.
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And it knows how to do this. It's just that we eat sugar all the time in this
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society from dusk until dawn, and it just gets stuck in sugar-burning mode.
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And I hear so many women, they're like, I don't eat sugar,
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but they eat almost all carbohydrates, like vegetarians and vegans,
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especially if you're eating a high diet of beans and legumes and rice and fruit.
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That is all sugar.
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I mean, it is a healthier sugar. There's some polyphenols in there,
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but essentially carbohydrates and starches are all just sugars connected.
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So as soon as they hit your mouth and your stomach, they break down into sugar.
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And that's what your body uses for fuel. So you're not going to be able to fast
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very easily. You need to get into a more ketogenic diet before you try and go
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into a fasted state. You've got to get those healthy fats in there.
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And I would be remiss if I didn't say, like, healthy fats are essential for
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women, especially women. Men as well.
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All of our sex hormones are made from cholesterol. We need healthy fat.
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Estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, DHEA, that is made from cholesterol.
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All of the trillions of cells in our body, they are made from a cholesterol backbone.
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The membrane is created from cholesterol.
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So if you don't eat enough fats, your cells are going to be broken and dysfunctional.
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The receptors won't be able to hear the signals from your hormones,
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especially thyroid hormone, insulin, your blood sugar regulator hormone,
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and you won't be able to make enough sex hormones.
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So we're seeing this epidemic of infertility and PCOS and irregular periods.
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And it's because women are not eating enough healthy fats and getting into ketosis
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and then creating this fasting lifestyle.
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So if you can't fast, the first things you have to ask yourself are,
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what am I eating when I am eating? Am I actually giving my body what it needs
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so that when I remove the food, I can handle it?
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And am I getting into ketosis when I'm eating? And if I'm not,
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let me work on that first before I start to incorporate intermittent fasting.
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That is super helpful. Thank you. Yes.
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If somebody wants to learn more, I know you have a ton of resources.
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You've got your book, you've got your podcast, and how else can people work
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with you? There's a lot of ways.
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Yeah, so I have a 40-day program, and when I first created this program,
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it was only the fasting piece of it, and women had amazing results.
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They would lose weight. They would feel good. Their thyroid would finally feel
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safe and calm down, and I'll tell you, like, when I first got diagnosed with
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Hashimoto's, my numbers were over 1,000.
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They wouldn't even give me a number. I just said over 1,000,
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and now they're, like, in the single digits, seven and five or something like that.
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But it took the process of reminding my body that it's safe to do its job and
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then giving it what it needs to actually do it and removing what was ticking it off.
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So in this 40-day program, it is an anti-inflammatory food program that reminds
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your body, how to go from a sugar burner to a fat burner,
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and then how to slowly introduce fasting as a lifestyle.
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We do this accordion thing where we change how long we're fasting.
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Because if you just do a 16-8 all the time, I promise you, your body is brilliant. It is so genius.
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It will say, oh, that's her new set point. I guess we're going to live here now at 16-8.
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And you will stop losing weight. You will stop reaping the benefits of fasting,
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because your body's always trying to find that homeostasis point.
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So you have to shift it. You have to change it up and keep it guessing.
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And so we teach you how to do that.
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And then God told me to add the faith piece in here because so many women have
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emotional wounds and blockages and identity issues that are preventing them from.
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Feeling motivated to even make the good food choices, to move their body,
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to work out, to do any of this stuff to actually take care of them.
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So it's just five or ten minutes in the morning teaching you how to journal
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and connect to your higher power,
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and really start to believe in your body's ability to heal and thrive and just
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reconnecting your mind, your will, your emotions, all of it to what's going on in your body.
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So it's a really healing program.
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Women usually have breakthroughs in the first five to seven days.
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They're like, oh my gosh, I'm dropping weight for the first time ever.
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Or this is my favorite one.
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I have never felt a peace like I feel since I've started this program.
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I am telling you, we are feeling disconnected and sad and frustrated.
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And we just need to get reconnected and feel that peace of like, I am enough.
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I can do this. My body was created to do this.
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And so that's what the 40 day program is all about. There's live calls with
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me every Monday. I teach all kinds of stuff. I answer all the questions.
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It's really transformational.
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That is awesome. I will have the link to your website and to that definitely in the show notes.
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And if you're listening to the podcast in your podcast app, wherever you're
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listening, you can subscribe right now to Dr. Tabitha's podcast, which is Fast to Faith.
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And yeah, connect that way too and learn.
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I just love learning. Sometimes I forget to implement.
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But I love learning and I'm getting better about the implementation part too.
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Yes, that is so important. I'm glad you said that.
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I know we're out of time, but this infobesity is real.
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Like now with chat GPT, there's no excuse for you not to know something.
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Like you can literally learn how to play the piano or do whatever you want or
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learn the details of autophagy from fasting.
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But if you do not have the drive and the motivation that comes from
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wanting to be better, you will not implement, you will not change your life
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and you will fall deeper into this pit of like shame and regret and resentment.
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And I just, there's no reason for that in this day and age.
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I want to help you get out of those feelings and break these bad cycles of being
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your bad self. Like there is a better version of you waiting and I can help you get there.
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Absolutely. I heard an analogy once of you have two feet and to walk in a straight
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line, you have to take both feet and go forward. And if you're always learning
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and never implementing, you're just walking with that right foot and you're
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turning in circles, you're never going anywhere.
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And if you're always implementing, but never learning, then you're always going
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in circles the other way. You have to learn and you have to implement.
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Thank you so much, Tabitha. for helping people do both things.
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I really appreciate it. And thank you for coming on the podcast.
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