Latest / Success Story with Scott Clary / Lessons - How to Secure Funding When Everyone Else Gets Rejected | Tim Guleri - Legendary VC & Tech Founder
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- 0:00In this lessons episode, discover how venture investors can avoid founder misalignment by doing
- 0:04deep personal due diligence before writing a check. Learn why surrounding first-time CEOs with
- 0:09strong co-founders and advisors helps guide growth. Learn how ego and peer advice can mislead
- 0:14new founders and learn why filtering feedback and building intuition through experience is key
- 0:19to long-term success. In a situation like that, is there something that you could do to
- 0:40or that you try and do to help the founder CEO see a line on the same vision like real line?
- 0:46From every person that I've spoken to who does venture investing, the individual is the
- 0:52most important component. The market can shift, but the individual is the X factor. If that person
- 0:59goes rogue, you're done. Let's talk to investors in the audience. They put money into an early-stage
- 1:08company. What can you do in that case? Is there strategy, is there tactic, or is that
- 1:16right off? Yeah, I think so. The first thing is that do as much work as you possibly can
- 1:25for you write the check. I really mean this with all the, this is why I'm not a fan of these
- 1:31party rounds that happen over the weekend and I breathe out in a 300k check and then nobody shows
- 1:36up for work. There's no ownership to the project. The founders raised 4 million bucks, but
- 1:44everybody's put in 200k. Then there's nobody to challenge your ideas or give you new ones and
- 1:54it's a very lonely place to be. If I was advising entrepreneurs, I would say don't do that. Investors,
- 2:02which is a question you asked, I think I now have a much more rigorous process on understanding the
- 2:11individual behind the CEO. What is this person all about? Doing blind references and other
- 2:19calls. Now, what are the benefits we have as a 40-year plus bench capital firm? We have
- 2:25one call away for almost any entrepreneur to find out what are they all about because we've got
- 2:33such a massive network. On this year, UFO, one of these kids from college that doesn't have a
- 2:40history in the valley. If you've done 5, 7, 10 years of work in the valley, we know one person
- 2:47that will give you. I do a lot of work in advance. I also spend a lot of time with them
- 2:54sort of off-cycle, taking them off a dinner or go for a walk before we'd write the check.
- 2:59This is ready to unpack the person down in the person. I think having said all that
- 3:06still goes wrong because people are people. The answer to that is for the listeners,
- 3:16their investors, surround them with a highly skilled set of either co-founders or advisors early on.
- 3:27Because CEOs tend to learn about osmosis the best of them. They have a learning mindset.
- 3:34A great example of this is one of my favorite CEOs. My admin ready is running now, a very,
- 3:39very large company and investment. This company is based in Philly. It's a company called Phenom
- 3:44and the HR tech space and just a rocket ship company, profitable while all the other competitors
- 3:51have burnt and Scott incinerated hundreds of billion dollars of cash here in the valley.
- 3:56This guy's kind of raised less money than the ARR that he's putting on to on his top
- 4:04in every year right now, just a phenomenal company. The big, big thing that I respect about my is
- 4:11that he's surrounded himself with. He's only seeking out that next great idea from the next great
- 4:18person. The job of the early stage entrepreneur is giving capital, doing all your work for you
- 4:25write the check as much as you can, but still thinks it's still going wrong and then surrounding
- 4:31the CEO with what I call experts or people that can really get them sort of additional ideas,
- 4:39once you've identified what their soft spot might be. One of the early stage CEOs happens to be
- 4:46this phenomenal founder from PayPal, technical guy, had to learn, go to market on the job.
- 4:53Right, so I've like inserted like this guy to his company, I've invested in that, you know,
- 5:01worked at a very, very great company on the GTM side called Act Dynamics and that person is now
- 5:09advising Sir Ash who's the two in question that's company I've done called Sadi on GTM.
- 5:16So again, that's a great sort of a fit and he's learning a lot from them and I think that
- 5:24brings on the risk of these founders going off the trip. I think that's very wise. I also think
- 5:33that it's sometimes uncomfortable for a first time founder to ask for help and understanding
- 5:39there's like a mental block there for them to put, you know, put them in that a little bit of a
- 5:45position of I'm sort of saying I don't know what I don't know and please like I want the advice,
- 5:53but I think there's an either involved in that too that a lot of people have a tough time asking
- 5:59for help. So if you're putting those people around them, you're just it's just a very great
- 6:04environment that's going to allow that person to thrive. The other thing and you remind me of
- 6:08something's covering you said that. The other thing I've kind of noticed is that these founders
- 6:14talk to other peers and you know get go to go to advice and you know lock into that advice
- 6:24which might be different, maybe a few degrees sometimes completely opposite to the way I would
- 6:32advise them on that particular point. So I've been thinking about that because, you know,
- 6:38one of my CEOs does a lot of this where you go and talk to another CEO's 28 and try to get advice
- 6:45from fundraising or timing of fundraising and so and so forth and I'm like that is not that guy
- 6:51at personal gal is not giving you the right advice right. So the point here is not that don't
- 6:58talk to your peers you should but filter what you're getting based on the experience that
- 7:04somebody has right because it's more likely I'm not saying I'm always right. It's more likely
- 7:12that somebody just going on a pack that has a perspective and does this professionally.
- 7:16It probably gives you a better advice than then your buddy you have is a bear with right. Yeah.
- 7:22And sometimes I've actually found this a lot and I think that it's also very damaging. So if
- 7:27somebody achieves some early success and they haven't been in the game long enough to understand
- 7:33that their early success is not the the way that they achieve their early success is not the only way
- 7:38to achieve success. They become almost like there's like a religious conviction about how they
- 7:46achieve success and that's the only way to do it and that's the only advice they give and they
- 7:51speak with such conviction and such charisma that you know that they're receiving the recipient of
- 7:56that advice starts to believe that yeah that must be the only way to do it or that must be the
- 8:01only way to operate through this specific and they're only like you know they're 25 26 and they're
- 8:06giving they're giving this advice that serve them well for the first you know four years of their
- 8:11life but they don't realize that multiple things can be true at the same time and that what work in
- 8:16one industry or one instance it doesn't always carry over and this is bias towards this you know
- 8:21they're there's short lived experience and I think that's also damaging and that you probably
- 8:25get that from here the balancing comment is right that's not a yeah age thing or an experience thing
- 8:30right because I think that I met 22 year old that are that are very very insightful and
- 8:36there were different set of experiences so I think the point I think we're both trying to make is
- 8:41as a as a first-time founder understand the source put a filter on top of it okay figure out
- 8:49you know based on a lot of life is all about having a gut instincts right so when you've had
- 8:55enough reps you just know right and so they need to get enough reps and you know if you're if you're
- 9:01taking feedback from founders go talk to 10 not one if you're trying to take get feedback on a
- 9:06particular point from like 10 year VCs or whatever talk to fight not one right and then you balance it
- 9:13and you'll get the right and then I'll comply all on intuition so just just kind of having one
- 9:19conversation over a cocktail doesn't make a strategy thanks for tuning in if you found this
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