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D4vd Murder Case Can Go to Trial, Judge Rules · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Imagine UH performing at Coachella to tens of thousands of
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screaming vans, right, the ultimate dream. Yeah, exactly. You're riding
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the high of a multimillion dollar record deal. Your songs
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are just dominating every algorithm on TikTok, and you are
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being hailed as this like vulnerable, intimate voice of a
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new generation.
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Speaker 2: A total cultural phenomenon.
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Speaker 1: But now takes that exact image and fast forward just
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a few months. The stage lights are gone. They're replaced
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by the sterile, fluorescent glare of a Los Angeles courtroom.
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Speaker 2: Quite a shift.
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Speaker 1: It's jarring. You are sitting there completely silently at a
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defense table and a judge is just methodically listing out
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evidence that could put you on death row. Yeah. Today
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we are bringing you into this terrifying space where carefully
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curated viral fane collides with the brutal, just absolute reality
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of forensic science.
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Speaker 2: And that contrast, I mean, it's the absolute foundation of
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the deep dive we are undertaking with you today, It
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really is. We are unpacking a staggering stack of court reporting,
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digital evidence logs, and forensic timelines from a recent highly
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publicized preliminary hearing from July. Right, exactly. The ruling came
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down on July twenty seven, twenty twenty six, from La
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Superior Court Judge Charlene Omado, and she determined there is
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sufficient evidence for twenty one year old David Anthony Burke,
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who most.
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Speaker 1: Of you probably know is the viral indie pop star
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D four.
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Speaker 2: VD right D four VD. She ruled there's enough evidence
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for him to stand trial for the murder of fourteen
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year old Celeste Revus Hernandez.
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Speaker 1: And we need to be really transparent with you right
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at the top about the emotional weight of this material.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's heavy.
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Speaker 1: The sources we've gathered contained some truly horrific details. We
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are going to be discussing graphic forensic analysis, the grim
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reality of thousands of manipulative text messages, and the precise
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timeline of a terrible crime.
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Speaker 2: But our mission here isn't sensationalism right.
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Speaker 1: Now, not all. We aren't here to gawk at a tragedy.
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We're here to provide a clear eyed synthesis of how
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the modern justice system actually pieces together a narrative from
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a trail of digital exhaust and physical evidence.
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Speaker 2: Because the paper trail here is just massive.
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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. So we're going to trace the rapid ascent
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of the artist, break down the legal anatomy of this
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preliminary hearing, and examine the chilling digital footprint of the
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alleged grooming.
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Speaker 2: And from there we'll look closely at the precise twenty
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one minute window where the prosecution alleges this murder.
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Speaker 1: Took place just twenty one minutes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the macabre cover up that followed, and
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of course the defensive strategy as this entire case barrels
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toward a full trial.
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Speaker 1: So before we can even begin to understand the timeline
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of the crime, we have a look at the timeline
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of the career the prosecutors alleged the defendant was willing
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to kill to protect crucial context, Right, David Anthony Burke's
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rise under the Moniker D four VD, which by the way,
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is stylized in all lower case letters. It moved with
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astonishing speed.
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Speaker 2: It was explosive.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about a cultural phenomenon that is highly
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specific to the early twenty twenties. He specialized in a
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genre that blends alternative indie and bedroom pop.
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Speaker 2: And for those trying to understand the economic and cultural
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force of bedroom pop, it's really crucial to look beyond
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just the musical aesthetic.
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Speaker 1: It's more of a brand, exactly.
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Speaker 2: It's an entire psychological brand. Historically, pop stars were these
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untouchable gods on pedestals. You had the Michael Jackson's and
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the Madonnas.
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Speaker 1: Right entities that felt completely separate from normal human existence exactly.
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Speaker 2: But bedroom pop inverts that entirely. It is music deliberately
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engineered to sound as though it was recorded by a
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teenager alone in their room.
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Speaker 1: Singing into a cheap microphone while sitting on their unmade
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bed under led striplights.
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Speaker 2: Yes, the intimacy is the product.
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Speaker 1: The whole appeal is the I'm just a kid with
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feelings exactly like you persona. It feels raw, it feels vulnerable,
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and most importantly, to an audience of millions of teenagers,
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it feels safe.
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Speaker 2: And Burke really mastered this. I mean, his breakout track
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Romantic Homicide didn't just chart. It became a ubiquitous atmospheric
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presence on TikTok and Spotify.
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Speaker 1: It was literally the soundtrack to millions of teenagers' lives.
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Speaker 2: And that kind of viral ubiquity translates into real world,
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high stakes financial success almost overnight. In the modern streaming economy.
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Speaker 1: You don't need a decade of touring in a van
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to build a million dollar empire anymore.
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Speaker 2: No, a single viral sound can trigger a major label
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bidding war within forty eight hours.
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Speaker 1: Which is wild. And this led Burke straight to Coachella,
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to late night television appearances, and culminated in his debut album, Withered.
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Speaker 2: Which significantly was released in the period immediately surrounding the
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alleged date of Celeste death in twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 1: I mean, just think about the whiplash of that trajectory.
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By twenty twenty five, you have this twenty year old
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guy positioned as a massive, commercial, bankable star.
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Speaker 2: He is a corporation unto himself, right.
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Speaker 1: And you can trast that astronomical rise with the devastating
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charges he is now facing.
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Speaker 2: He has pleaded not guilty.
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Speaker 1: We should know, yes, not guilty. The charges are first
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degree murdered with special circumstances.
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Speaker 2: And those circumstances are specific lying in wait final gain
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and murdering a potential witness.
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Speaker 1: On top of that, he is charged with continuous sexual
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abuse of a child under fourteen, an unlawful mutilation of
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human remains, which is just.
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Speaker 2: A horrific list. And those special circumstances attached to the
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first degree murder charge, they are the legal mechanisms that
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elevate this from a standard homicide case into a completely
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different stratosphere of the California Penal Code.
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Speaker 1: Let's dig into the mechanics of that for a second,
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because in my mind, first degree murder is already the
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highest charge you can fix.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like it should be right.
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Speaker 1: So why does the prosecution need to attach these specific
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labels and how does it actually change the reality for
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the defendant.
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Speaker 2: Well, in California, standard first degree murder carries a sentence
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of twenty five years to life. Okay, that means parole
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is eventually a possibility. However, the Penal Code contains a
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specific list of special circumstances, things like multiple victims, torture
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or in this case, lying in weight and financial gain.
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If the prosecution attaches the to the charge and a
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jury finds even one of them to be true, the
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legal penalties shift drastically. How So, the judge's hands become
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completely tied. The only two sentences legally available become life
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in prison, without the possibility of parole or the death penalty.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, So the stakes literally cross the threshold into
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life or death exactly, and the prosecution chose three very
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specific circumstances here. Okay, lying in wait, I mean that
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paints a picture of a predator watching and concealing their
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true purpose before a surprise attack.
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Speaker 2: It implies heavy premeditation.
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Speaker 1: Right, and murdering a potential witness speaks to the motive
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of silencing someone who could testify to the alleged sexual abuse. Correct.
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But the financial gain circumstance is what really caught my
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eye in the source material. It's an interesting one, Yeah,
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because when I hear financial gain, I think of like
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a life insurance policy, an inheritance, or a bank robbery.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: How is the district attorney framing this specific type of
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bedroom pop viral fame as the actual motive for murder
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under the umbrella of financial gain.
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Speaker 2: It's a fascinating, very modern application of the law. The
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prosecution is arguing that the career itself, the brand, the
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future earnings potential, that was the financial asset being protected.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so it wasn't about extracting money from the fourteen
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year old victim.
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Speaker 2: No, not at all. It was about preventing the total
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vaporization of a multi million dollar corporate entity because.
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Speaker 1: The backlash would be instantaneous.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, They allege burke knew that if this illegal relationship
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with the minor became public, the fallout would be absolute.
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In the era of social media accountability, his streaming deals
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would be pulled, his tours canceled, his endorsements voided.
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Speaker 1: So the financial gain therefore was the preservation of his
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future revenue streams.
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Speaker 2: That's the prosecutions theory.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's like treating a human being as a catastrophic
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pr liability that needs to be permanently liquidated to protect
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the quarterly earnings report.
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Speaker 2: That's a grim way to put it, but legally that's
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the framework.
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Speaker 1: It adds this sickening layer of corporate calculation to a
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deeply personal crime, and it highlights the darkest possible irony
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of his specific music genre. Aw so well. He built
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this massive empire on the illusion of accessibility and emotional transparency.
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His fans felt like they were holding his heart in
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their hands, right.
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Speaker 2: The intimacy was the brand exactly.
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Speaker 1: But the prosecution is essentially stating that behind this carefully
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constructed vulnerable bedroom door. He was allegedly willing to commit
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premeditated murder and dismemberment to ensure the public never saw
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the reality of his private life.
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Speaker 2: Now, it's important to state that the defense team, led
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by Attorney Marilyn Bednarski, has consistently and forcefully maintained that
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Burke did not cause Celeste death.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: They assert that the full weight of the evidence presented
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at trial will ultimately demonstrate his innocence regarding the murder.
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Speaker 1: But to understand the prosecution's theory of how this threat
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of exposure materialized and why they believe it drove a
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rising star to murder, we have to rewind the timeline
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we do. We have to look at the anatomy of
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the preliminary hearing where this narrative was first laid out
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for a judge.
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Speaker 2: And that preliminary hearing took place over five grueling days
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in late July twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: Which is long for a prelim right very.
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Speaker 2: This wasn't just a brief procedural check in. The sources
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describe it functioning essentially as a mini trial.
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Speaker 1: Right. The prosecution called over ten witnesses. We are talking
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about lead detectives, forensic criminalists, and a medical examiner taking
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the stand.
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Speaker 2: And after hearing all of this, Judge Almato ruled that
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the prosecution had met their burden on all counts, pushing
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those heavy special circumstance allegations forward.
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Speaker 1: Okay. So it is vital to understand the precise legal
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architecture of a preliminary hearing, because I feel like it
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is often misunderstood by the public as a trial to
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determine ultimate guilt or innocence.
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Speaker 2: It is definitely misunderstood.
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Speaker 1: It is not a trial.
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Speaker 2: A preliminary hearing is purely a gatekeeping mechanism.
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Speaker 1: Okay. So if the defense turned argued vehemently that there
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was absolutely no direct evidence Burke had a deliberate intent
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to kill her, why didn't the judge throw the murder
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charge out?
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Speaker 2: That's a great question.
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Speaker 1: How does the judge just push it through if the
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defense is pointing out massive holes in the intent.
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Speaker 2: Argument, Because the judge is not asking, am I convinced
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beyond a reasonable doubt that this man intended to commit murder?
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The judge is sitting without a jury, functioning solely as
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a gatekeeper, looking at one specific much lower legal standard
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probable cause break down.
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Speaker 1: Probable cause in this context, how low is that bar?
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Speaker 2: It's relatively low compared to a full trial. Probable cause
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simply means is there enough evidence presented to make a
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reasonable person entertain a strong suspicion that a crime was
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committed and that the defendant is the one who committed it.
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Speaker 1: This strong suspicion exactly.
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Speaker 2: The district attorney Nathan Hafkman made a very telling statement
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outside the courthouse. He said, they only presented a significant
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but small fraction of their evidence.
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Speaker 1: They didn't even show their whole hand.
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Speaker 2: They didn't need to. They just needed to show enough
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to get past the gate. At a jury trial, the
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standard transforms into proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is
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the highest burden of proof in the American legal system.
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Speaker 1: So Judgeralmato's ruling simply means there is enough circumstantial evidence
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here that a sury deserves the opportunity to evaluate it.
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You know, there was a really notable strategic choice by
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the defense during this hearing that jumped out from the
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court reporting.
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Speaker 2: Oh about the charges.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Attorney bed Narsky fought incredibly hard to dismiss the
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murder charge specifically attacking the lack of proven intent right,
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But the defense notably did not challenge the sexual abuse
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or the mutilation of human remains counts with that same
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level of aggression during this five.
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Speaker 2: Day hearing, which seems counterintuitive to some people.
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Speaker 1: Exactly why would a high powered defense team do that?
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Why not fight every single charge tooth and nail from
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day one.
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Speaker 2: That is a classic example of legal triage in high
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stakes litigation. When your client is facing a potential death
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penalty case, your absolute overriding objective is to knock out
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the murder charge or at.
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Speaker 1: Least several of those special circumstances that carry the lethal
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injection or life without parole penalties.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, you are fighting for the client's actual life first.
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That's see, the defense likely evaluated the evidence for the
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other charges like the massive digital footprint regarding the statutory
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relationship and the physical recovery of the remains in a
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vehicle registered to their client, and they made a tactical calculation.
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Speaker 1: They knew they couldn't beat the probable cause standard on
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those right.
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Speaker 2: Fighting those specific charges fiercely at a preliminary hearing where
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the bar is solo is almost certainly a losing.
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Speaker 1: Battle, and it tips your hand exactly.
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Speaker 2: It forces the defense to reveal their cross examination strategies
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and expert witness theories prematurely. You want to keep your
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powder dry for the actual jury trial.
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Speaker 1: So you attacked the weakest link in the prosecution's chain.
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Speaker 2: Which the defense identified as the direct proof of premeditated
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intent to commit murder.
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Speaker 1: Wow. And while this high level chess match legal maneuvering
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is happening at the benches, the physical atmosphere in the
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courtroom itself was described in the sources as suffocatingly heavy.
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I can only imagine you have this twenty one year
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old defendant Burke sitting there showing very little lisible reaction
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to the proceeding.
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Speaker 2: Blank faced yeah.
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Speaker 1: And sitting in the gallery is Celeste's family. The reporting
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specifically noted the emotional toll this took. Celeste's mother became
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visibly distraught when graphic photographs of her daughter's remains were displayed.
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Speaker 2: It's just horrific.
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Speaker 1: She actually had to physically leave the courtroom during the
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most graphic portions of the medical examiner's testimony.
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Speaker 2: A preliminary hearing is just an agonizing crucible for a
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victim's family. It forces them to confront the absolute worst,
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most terrifying realities of what happened to their child, but
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reduced to cold, clinical forensic terminology in a sterile public forum.
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Speaker 1: It is a deeply traumatizing process. Patrick Steinfeld, an attorney
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representing the Reves Hernandez family, released a statement after the ruling,
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saying the family felt relieved that the case would proceed
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to trial.
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Speaker 2: They expressed gratitude for the work of the LAPD and
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the DA's office.
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Speaker 1: But it's such a grim, hollow kind of relief, you know,
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it's just the relief of the bureaucratic wheels of justice
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slowly turning forward. Because the evidence that overwhelmed that courtroom,
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the evidence that secured that probable cause ruling, didn't start
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with the violence of a murder.
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Speaker 2: No, it started much earlier.
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Speaker 1: It started years earlier. Yeah, it started with a staggering,
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almost incomprehensible volume of text messages.
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Speaker 2: The timeline of the relationship established by the prosecution is
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deeply unsettling, particularly when you look at the developmental stages
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of the individuals involved.
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Speaker 1: Right, let's break down that timeline.
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Speaker 2: According to investigators, Burke and Celeste first met in January
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twenty twenty two. Let's look at the ages. Celest was
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eleven years old, Burke was approximately sixteen or seventeen.
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Speaker 1: I mean the psychological gap between the eleven year old
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and a seventeen year old as a canyon. It's massive,
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and an eleven year old is a child in middle school.
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A seventeen year old is driving, navigating the adult world,
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preparing for independence. The inherent power imbalance is massive before
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Faine is even introduced to the equation.
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Speaker 2: It is a profound disparity. And the prosecution alleges that
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the physical sexual activity began in November twenty twenty three, so.
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Speaker 1: By that point she had turned thirteen and he was eighteen.
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Speaker 2: He was legally an adult. This specific timeframe forms the
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basis of the continuous sexual abuse charge, which covers a
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period of at least a year starting around her thirteenth birthday.
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Speaker 1: And the evidence supporting this narrative isn't based on rumor
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or like eyewitness hearsay. It is a granular, overwhelming digital trail.
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Speaker 2: It really is.
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Speaker 1: Detectives testified that they extracted between eight thousand and nine
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thousand text messages from Burke's physical devices and his iCloud.
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Speaker 2: Backups nine thousand messaging.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, spanning from late twenty twenty three through April twenty
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twenty five, and the content is devastating. They aren't just
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casual check ins. The texts explicitly reference sexual activity, discussions
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of pregnancy, abortion, and the procurement of emergency contraception.
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Speaker 2: The sheer volume eight to nine thousand messages is something
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we really need to pause and analyze. That is an
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astonishing amount of communication.
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Speaker 1: How does forensic psychology view that?
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Speaker 2: Well? In that context, a volume like that represents a
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digital tether. It is a constant, pervasive line of influence
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between an.
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Speaker 1: Adult and a minor, like an invisible EA.
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Speaker 2: Yes, think about what a smartphone is to a thirteen
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year old today. It is their entire social universe. If
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an adult, especially a famous one, is pinging that device,
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constantly inserting themselves into the miner's pocket, their bedroom, their school.
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Speaker 1: Day, it creates an inescapable psychological environment.
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Speaker 2: It's om to present, and the prosecution leaned heavily into this,
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using the texts and explicit photographs recovered from the accounts
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to paint a picture of severe calculated grooming.
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Speaker 1: Deputy Dish Attorney Best Silverman actually used a very specific
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phrase during the hearing. She cared Burke as a very
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clever adult who systematically gaslit this miner.
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Speaker 2: However, the narrative presented at a preliminary hearing is rarely
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the complete picture, which is exactly why the system demands
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a full trial.
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Speaker 1: Right because the defense pushed back on.
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Speaker 2: That, the defense immediately pushed back, pointing out complexities and
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contradictions in this dynamic. For instance, testimony during the hearing
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indicated that Celeste had at times represented herself as older
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early on in their communications.
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Speaker 1: Claiming to be sixteen or eighteen. I imagine claiming the
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miner lied about their ages like a standard defense playbook.
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Speaker 2: In statutory cases, oh, it is very common, though its
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legal efficacy varies wildly depending on the jurisdiction's specific statutes
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regarding strict liability.
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Speaker 1: Right, whether the state cares if you knew or.
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Speaker 2: Not exactly, and the timeline of when the adult actually
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discovered the true age is key, But the authorities eventually
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established her true age and the communication continued.
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Speaker 1: The defense also pointed out that this wasn't happening in
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a total vacuum. The family knew something of the relationship.
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Speaker 2: Yes, the sources state Burke had attended church with her
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family members.
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Speaker 1: And the family had permitted certain travel. I mean they
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even wanted a trip to London.
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Speaker 2: Furthermore, the defense pointed to the specific text exchanges where
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Celeste was expressing intense jealousy, threatening exposure, and initiating contact.
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Speaker 1: So they are trying to show she had agency exactly.
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Speaker 2: What is fascinating from an investigative standpoint is how both
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sides are looking at the exact same database of nine
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thousand texts and constructing diametrically opposed narratives.
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Speaker 1: Right, the prosecution sees the archive as a masterclass in
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relentless grooming and psychological control by a powerful, manipulative adult.
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Speaker 2: And the defense looks at the exact same digital archive
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and curates instances of the minor sharing agency, initiating the
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contact or deceiving the adult, all in an attempt to
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muddy the waters of that power dynamic for a future jury.
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Speaker 1: But the reality of that power dynamic becomes incredibly stark
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when you look beyond the texts to the physical actions
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taken to maintain secrecy.
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Speaker 2: The real world actions.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the illusion of control started fracturing long before
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the murder Celess was actually reported missing by her family
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in Lake Elsinore, which is about seventy miles southeast of
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Los Angeles, on multiple occasions in twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 2: And when authorities were investigating her disappearance, they found Burke's
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number in her phone records and contacted him.
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Speaker 1: And his documented response to law enforcement was to feign ignorance.
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Speaker 2: Right. He claimed he was unaware of her true age,
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unaware she had been reported missing, and insisted they only
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had limited casual contact.
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Speaker 1: This is where the prosecution's clever adult narrative really solidifies
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for me. The prosecution alleges that after one of these
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episodes where she was reported missing and the authorities were
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actively sniffing around, Burke didn't back off.
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Speaker 2: He doubled down.
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Speaker 1: He did. Instead, he paid a high school classmate of
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Celest one thousand dollars to deliver a secret burner phone
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to her.
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Speaker 2: A burner phone.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like he was building a shadow infrastructure. The
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second the official channels her parents or primary phone were
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compromised by law enforcement, he funded a covert network to
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maintain his grip on her.
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Speaker 2: Shadow infrastructure is the perfect term. It demonstrates a high
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level of premeditation. It shows an active, conscious effort to
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circumvent parental authority and law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: It's not just two kids texting.
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Speaker 2: No, this isn't a passive casual relationship that drifted out
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of bounds. This is an active campaign to isolate a
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vulnerable miner from her safety network while maintaining a secret,
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unmonitored line of influence.
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Speaker 1: And the level of influence wasn't just digital. They spent
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significant physical time together throughout twenty twenty four weekends at
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his residence in the Hollywood Hills, traveled to Las Vegas, London, Texas.
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Speaker 2: And they even had matching or related tattoos.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the investigative sources noted that Celeste had a tattoo
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of the name David permanently inked on one of her fingers.
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Speaker 2: I mean, to place a permanent mark of your name
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on a minor is an inclin credible display of perceived
21:01
ownership and control.
21:02
Speaker 1: It's branding.
21:04
Speaker 2: It moves beyond emotional manipulation into a claim of physical possession.
21:08
Speaker 1: Which makes the forensic reality of this case so deeply
21:11
disturbing because the source material contains a macabre, chilling detail
21:16
regarding that specific tattoo. It's grim investigators noted that when
21:20
her dismembered remains were eventually recovered, one of the fingers
21:23
bearing a tattoo was among those severed from the body.
21:26
Speaker 2: It's a horrifying detail.
21:28
Speaker 1: It is, but it perfectly illustrates how the abstract emotional
21:31
control of grooming eventually collides with brutal physical violence.
21:36
Speaker 2: And the shadow infrastructure. The burner phones, the international travel
21:40
It worked to maintain.
21:41
Speaker 1: The secret for a time for a while a week.
21:42
Speaker 2: But relationships built on this kind of extreme developmental imbalance
21:46
and high stake secrecy are inherently, deeply volatile.
21:50
Speaker 1: They're a powder keg exactly.
21:52
Speaker 2: A break up allegedly occurred around November twenty twenty four,
21:55
yet the digital forensic trail shows the contact and alleged
21:58
sexual activity continued well into twenty twenty five.
22:02
Speaker 1: By April of twenty twenty five, the data shows that
22:05
Burke's control over the situation was rapidly slipping, leading directly
22:09
to a fatal, irreversible tipping point.
22:12
Speaker 2: That shadow infrastructure just wasn't sustainable anymore.
22:14
Speaker 1: No, by April twenty twenty five, the illusion of control
22:18
shattered completely, triggering a forty eight hour sequence that prosecutors
22:21
have mapped down to the minute using digital forensics.
22:24
Speaker 2: Let's walk through this final timeline, starting on the evening
22:27
of April twenty two to twenty twenty five.
22:29
Speaker 1: Right.
22:30
Speaker 2: The text messages extracted from this specific evening are described
22:33
by investigators as highly heated.
22:35
Speaker 1: Celeste is expressing intense jealousy regarding Burke's interactions with another woman.
22:39
Speaker 2: And the tone shifts drastically from previous communications. She sends
22:43
a series of angry, profane messages.
22:46
Speaker 1: And crucially, she makes an explicit, documented threat. She threatens
22:51
that she's going to tell her father lies about him,
22:53
and she specifically types out that she would end to
22:55
her career, in her life.
22:57
Speaker 2: And from a prosecutorial standpoint, this specific text message is
23:01
the holy Grail.
23:02
Speaker 1: Because it establishes motive exactly.
23:04
Speaker 2: This is the anchor for the special circumstances of financial
23:08
gain and silencing a witness. In the prosecution's theory, the
23:11
jury doesn't have to guess at the motive it is
23:14
crystallizing in real time in the iCloud backup.
23:17
Speaker 1: The multimillion dollar career Burke is built is suddenly under direct,
23:21
explicit threat from the one person who holds the power
23:25
to dismantle it with a single social media post or
23:27
a phone call to the police.
23:28
Speaker 2: So the very next day, April twenty three, arrangements are made.
23:32
Speaker 1: Celessa is going to travel from her home in Lake
23:34
Elsinore up to Burke's residence in the Hollywood Hills.
23:37
Speaker 2: And investigators say Burke is the one who ordered and
23:40
paid for the uber to transport.
23:41
Speaker 1: Her, which, by utilizing a ride share app, a permanent
23:45
digital breadcrumb trail is created.
23:46
Speaker 2: Unavoidably, the app logs the exact route, the g plus
23:50
coordinates the time stamps and the final destination on its
23:53
corporate servers.
23:54
Speaker 1: Right and at ten zero two pm, while she is
23:57
sitting in the back of that uber navigating through Los Angeles,
24:00
Celeste sends what authorities believe is her final outgoing message.
24:04
Speaker 2: It's just this tragic, casual text.
24:07
Speaker 1: It says, gurly pop, I'm almost there. Open her door
24:10
if you're home.
24:11
Speaker 2: It is so jarring to hear that kind of casual,
24:14
flippant teen slang gurly pop, right before entering what the
24:18
prosecution says was a murder scene.
24:20
Speaker 1: It really is. The ride share data indicates the vehicle
24:23
arrived and the gate or door to the residence was
24:26
accessed at approximately ten ten pm, and.
24:29
Speaker 2: This brings us to the most critical twenty one minute
24:31
window of the entire investigation.
24:33
Speaker 1: The prosecution alleges that Celeste was attacked and stabbed shortly
24:36
after entering the Hollywood Hills residence.
24:39
Speaker 2: The medical examiner's testimony detailed two primary penetrating wounds, one
24:43
to the chest area and one to the abdomen that
24:46
was deep enough to puncture her liver, and the official
24:48
cause of death was ruled a homicide by multiple penetrating
24:51
injuries inflicted by a sharp instrument.
24:54
Speaker 1: And investigators estimate this killing occurred in an incredibly tight
24:57
frantic window roughly twenty one mis minutes between ten ten
25:01
pm when she arrived and ten three one pm.
25:05
Speaker 2: And the reason forensic analysts has zeroed in on that
25:07
specific end time is because at exactly ten three one pm,
25:11
Celeste's phone goes completely permanently silent.
25:15
Speaker 1: No outgoing messages, no app activity, no movement data, nothing
25:19
but Burke's phone activity in that exact moment is what
25:23
takes this into truly dark territory.
25:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, this part is chilling.
25:27
Speaker 1: Right after her phone goes silent, Burke immediately starts texting
25:30
her device. He is asking where she is. He is
25:33
expressing concern, He is asking if she is blocking him.
25:36
Speaker 2: If we look at this through the lens of criminal
25:37
behavior analysis, the prosecution is characterizing this flurry of concerned
25:42
messages as a manufactured alibi.
25:44
Speaker 1: He's trying to manipulate the digital record in real time.
25:47
Speaker 2: He knows that if she goes missing, her phone records
25:49
will be subpoened by the police.
25:51
Speaker 1: By sending messages that express confusion and ignorance of her whereabouts,
25:55
He's trying to create a contemporaneous documentary record that says, look,
26:00
I didn't know she was dead. I was actively trying
26:02
to find her.
26:04
Speaker 2: It is a relatively common tactic among modern offenders who
26:07
understand they live in a surveiled world. However, it almost always.
26:11
Speaker 1: Backfires because of the timing.
26:13
Speaker 2: Exactly because the timing usually looks incredibly suspicious when investigators
26:17
finally overlay all the different data streams.
26:19
Speaker 1: Okay, but I want to push back on this clever
26:23
adult narrative the prosecution is building because the next sequence
26:27
of events seems incredibly contradictory. How So, well, at eleven
26:30
thirty PM, about an hour after her phone goes dark
26:33
and he starts sending these fake alibi texts. Brooke's cell
26:36
phone and his tesla's internal computers show him leaving the
26:40
Hollywood Hills property. The telemetry pings, the GPS data show
26:44
him driving toward a remote area of Santa Barbara County
26:48
near State Route one fifty four, And we know he
26:50
physically went there because a Caltrans worker later recovered celests
26:54
identification card in that exact.
26:57
Speaker 2: Vicinity, right, they found the idea.
26:58
Speaker 1: So, if he is this calculating mastermind who built shadow
27:02
infrastructures and manipulated an adolescent for years, why is he
27:06
sending a fake alibi text at the exact same time
27:10
his luxury car is actively logging his GPS coordinates to
27:14
a dump site.
27:15
Speaker 2: That's a fair question.
27:16
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound clever, It sounds sloppy and panicked.
27:18
Speaker 2: That is a phenomenal observation, and it highlights the difference
27:21
between predatory calculation and panic induced cognitive overload.
27:26
Speaker 1: Oh, cognitive overload.
27:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, grooming a minor over two years requires a specific
27:31
type of slow manipulative intelligence. It's a marathon of control.
27:35
But committing a violent homicide and suddenly being faced with
27:38
a body in your living room triggers a massive adrenaline
27:41
dump and complete cognitive short circuit.
27:43
Speaker 1: The brain just goes into survival mode exactly.
27:46
Speaker 2: He might have the presence of mind to try and
27:47
fake a text message, but he completely forgets that his
27:50
four thousand pound electric vehicle is essentially a rolling supercomputer
27:54
that logs every steering wheel turn, every seat bulk click,
27:58
and every GPS coordinate down to the.
28:00
Speaker 1: The meticulous groomer is replaced by a panic amateur trying
28:03
to clean up a catastrophic mess.
28:05
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly what the data suggests.
28:08
Speaker 1: But this is where the defense is going to strike
28:09
hard because despite all this data, there are no security
28:13
cameras showing her actually walking inside the house.
28:16
Speaker 2: Right, no video evidence.
28:17
Speaker 1: There are no eyewitnesses to the stabbing itself. So from
28:21
a legal standpoint, how hard is it for a jury
28:24
to infer a violent murder from a twenty one minute
28:27
gap in cell phone data and a car trip.
28:30
Speaker 2: It is challenging, but it is the foundation of most
28:32
modern prosecutions. It is called circumstantial evidence.
28:36
Speaker 1: Right, and people hear that and think it means weak.
28:38
Speaker 2: People watch television and think circumstantial means flimsy in reality.
28:43
The law instructs juries to treat direct evidence like an
28:46
eyewitness and circumstantial evidence with equal weight.
28:49
Speaker 1: Interesting.
28:50
Speaker 2: Think of it like this. If you look out your
28:52
window and physically see snow falling from the sky, that
28:55
is direct evidence it is snowing.
28:57
Speaker 1: Okay.
28:58
Speaker 2: If you wake up, look out your window and see
29:00
two feet of fresh snow on the ground with footprints
29:02
in it, that is circumstantial evidence that it snowed and
29:05
someone walked past your house.
29:07
Speaker 1: Right, you didn't see it happen. But a jury is
29:10
allowed to use human common sense to connect the dots.
29:13
Speaker 2: The prosecution is arguing that the timeline of the texts,
29:16
the motive of the threat, the silence of her phone,
29:19
and the subsequent GPS journey create an unbroken chain of
29:22
circumstantial evidence that points exclusively to guilt and.
29:26
Speaker 1: The subsequent actions the cover up. That is where the
29:29
prosecution's case seems to move from circumstantial inference to documented, physical,
29:35
forensic reality.
29:37
Speaker 2: The physical evidence here is grim.
29:38
Speaker 1: It is because while the murder itself might have happened
29:41
in a digital blind spot in the living room, the
29:43
prosecution argues the macabre cover up was meticulously and honestly
29:47
bizarrely documented in corporate purchase histories and retail receipts.
29:51
Speaker 2: We have to move the timeline forward a bit here.
29:53
The murder allegedly happens on April twenty three, but it
29:56
isn't until about two weeks later, around May five, twenty five,
30:00
that the prosecution alleges the remains were dismembered in the
30:02
garage of the Hollywood Hills residence two weeks.
30:05
Speaker 1: The psychology of that and the digital trail he left
30:09
preparing for this gruesome tack is just staggering.
30:12
Speaker 2: The digital receipts.
30:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, The prosecution detailed orders placed through apps like Postmates
30:18
and home Depot. He ordered a shovel delivered directly to
30:21
the house via Postmates.
30:22
Speaker 2: He ordered multiple chainsaws, heavy duty laundry bags, cadab or
30:26
style body bags, an inflatable blue pool, and later a
30:30
burn cage and a fireproof mat.
30:32
Speaker 1: And he did attempt to obscure these purchases. Prosecutors noted
30:36
that some of the chainsaws were ordered under an alias,
30:39
specifically the name Travian Davis or similar variations.
30:43
Speaker 2: Right trying to hide his identity.
30:44
Speaker 1: But how does an alias actually work in the modern
30:47
digital economy, it feels useless if the digital infrastructure links
30:51
back to you anyway. If I call myself Travion Davis
30:54
on Postmates, how did the cops know it's me?
30:56
Speaker 2: Because a fake name on a screen doesn't mask the
30:59
underlying digital architecture, the metadata. Exactly. When you place an
31:03
order on Postmates, you need a device, an IP address,
31:06
and a payment method. Investigators don't just look at the
31:09
name Travian Davis.
31:10
Speaker 1: A subpoena the tech companies.
31:12
Speaker 2: They look at the device's IMEI number. They track the
31:15
IP address back to the physical router in the Hollywood
31:18
Hills home. They cross reference the credit card used, or
31:22
look for overlapping email addresses.
31:24
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
31:24
Speaker 2: In this case, investigators linked these alias accounts through digital
31:28
trails that had previously been associated with Burke's real identity,
31:33
including travel arrangements he had made involving Celeste months prior.
31:37
Speaker 1: He tried to create a burner identity for the cover up,
31:39
but he tied it directly to his established permanent digital network.
31:43
Speaker 2: It's a digital house of cards, and.
31:45
Speaker 1: The physical evidence recovered at the scene perfectly matched these
31:49
digital receipts.
31:50
Speaker 2: The forensic matches were very.
31:52
Speaker 1: Strong prosecutors introduced a blue inflatable pool into evidence, which
31:56
they argue was set up in the garage to contain
31:58
the blood and physical evidence during the dismemberment.
32:01
Speaker 2: Right And when the medical examiner analyzed the remains, they
32:04
found microscopic blue plastic fragments that physically matched the exact
32:10
material of that specific inflatable pool.
32:13
Speaker 1: Then you had the DNA evidence in the garage. Forensic
32:16
technicians utilized luminol and other chemical agents to find bloodstains
32:21
that had been cleaned up.
32:22
Speaker 2: They found blood on a garage floor mat, on a
32:25
Tesla charging cable, and on a rowing machine.
32:28
Speaker 1: Those stains were processed and they produced DNA profiles that
32:31
statistically matched Celeste.
32:34
Speaker 2: Which brings us to the discovery of the remains.
32:36
Speaker 1: And this is the part of the narrative where I
32:38
just have to express total utter disbelief at the psychological jextaposition.
32:43
Speaker 2: It's hard to wrap your mind around.
32:44
Speaker 1: Burke's registered vehicle, a luxury Tesla Model X is eventually
32:49
abandoned on a Los Angeles street. It gets towed by
32:52
the city to a Hollywood towyard.
32:54
Speaker 2: And it just sits there.
32:55
Speaker 1: It sits in a Los Angeles tow yard, baking in
32:58
the sun through the entire summer until September eight, twenty
33:01
twenty five, which, tragically, the reporting notes, was right around
33:05
what would have been Celeste's fifteenth birthday.
33:07
Speaker 2: Workers at the towyard complain of an odor. They opened
33:10
the vehicle and discover severely decomposed, dismembered remains in the
33:14
front trunk the fronk of the tesla.
33:17
Speaker 1: The remains included the torso and head with extremities, and
33:20
certain fingers, including the one with the tattoos, separated.
33:23
Speaker 2: The decomposition was so severe they had to use dental
33:26
records to officially identify her. And inside that enclosed space,
33:31
investigators found multiple air fresheners scattered around.
33:34
Speaker 1: And where is Burke while his car sits in a towyard.
33:37
Speaker 2: That's the craziest part.
33:38
Speaker 1: He is on a concert tour. He is out touring
33:41
his music, performing for screening fans, while a registered vehicle
33:45
with the victim's remains sits in a municipal towyard for months.
33:49
Speaker 2: It's almost impossible to comprehend.
33:51
Speaker 1: I mean, think about the contradiction we talked about earlier.
33:53
He's buying chainsaws under the name Trevion Davis on one hand,
33:56
trying to be secretive and cover his tracks. But then
33:58
he abandons a luxury car registered in his own legal
34:02
name with the remains inside, at a public tow yard.
34:05
It just goes on tour. Yeah, it's like a twisted
34:08
form of object permanence. If he closes the trunk and
34:11
walks away, the problem simply ceases to exist in his mind.
34:16
How does a defense attorney even begin to explain that
34:19
level of incongruity to a jury.
34:21
Speaker 2: It is deeply incongruous to a rational, logical mind. But
34:26
if we connect this to the bigger picture of criminal
34:28
psychology and behavioral analysis, it is actually a textbook.
34:33
Speaker 1: Phenomenon, really textbook.
34:35
Speaker 2: Yes, Criminals, particularly those who commit highly emotional, intimate, or
34:40
panic driven crimes, frequently rely on extreme compartmentalization.
34:45
Speaker 1: Unpack the mechanics of that compartmentalization for me, How does
34:48
the human brain allow that to happen?
34:50
Speaker 2: Well, they hyper focus on the immediate crisis. They plan
34:53
the initial cleanup with intense tunnel vision focus. They buy
34:57
the pool, the bags, the chainsaws.
35:00
Speaker 1: They execute the grisly traumatic mechanics of concealing the crime
35:04
scene in the garage.
35:05
Speaker 2: But maintaining a cover up requires an immense amount of
35:07
physical and psychological stamina. It is exhausting to live in
35:11
a constant state of hypervigilance.
35:12
Speaker 1: So they just break down.
35:14
Speaker 2: They reach a point of absolute psychological fatigue or denial.
35:17
They shove the problem into a trunk, literally, throw some
35:20
air fresheners on it to mask the immediate sensory reality,
35:24
and walk away.
35:24
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
35:25
Speaker 2: The compartmentalization allows the brain to build a firewall. It
35:29
allows them to step back onto a tour bus, look
35:32
at the crowd, and pretend their normal life is continuing,
35:35
hoping the problem simply ceases to exist because they are
35:38
no longer physically looking at it.
35:40
Speaker 1: It is the ultimate, most grotesque manifestation of out of sight, out.
35:44
Speaker 2: Of mind, exactly, and for several months it appeared to work.
35:49
The investigation was reportedly quiet, but the reality of forensic
35:53
science is that investigations into abandoned vehicles with biological remains
35:58
inevitably catch up.
36:00
Speaker 1: Smell the fluids, someone always notices eventually, right.
36:03
Speaker 2: The discovery in September triggered a massive intensification of the probe,
36:07
culminating in Burke's arrest in April twenty twenty six and
36:10
formal charges shortly thereafter.
36:12
Speaker 1: But those psychological incongruities, the bizarre decisions, the sloppy alias,
36:16
the missing pieces in the prosecutions seemingly tight twenty one
36:20
minute timeline, these are exactly the vulnerabilities that Burke's defense
36:24
team plans to exploit a trial. That's their job, and
36:26
we saw a very clear preview of that strategy during
36:29
the cross examination phases of the preliminary hearing.
36:32
Speaker 2: The defense's job is not to solve the crime. They
36:34
do not have to prove who killed Celeste. Their sole
36:38
job is to introduce reasonable doubt into the prosecution's specific narrative, and.
36:43
Speaker 1: Attorney bit Narski found several avenues to pry that door open.
36:47
Let's walk through their counter narrative because it relies on
36:50
some complex forensic concepts.
36:52
Speaker 2: It does.
36:52
Speaker 1: First, regarding all that damning DNA found in the garage
36:55
on the floor, mapp, the Tesla charger, the rowing machine,
36:59
the defense brought up the concept of potential secondary DNA transfer. Yes,
37:04
what does that actually mean in a biological sense and
37:07
how does it play in a court room?
37:08
Speaker 2: Secondary DNA transfer often related to what we call touch
37:11
DNA is a forensic reality that has given defense attorneys
37:15
a massive tool in recent years. It is based on
37:18
low cards exchange principle, which states that every contact leaves
37:22
a trace. Humans are constantly shedding epithelial cells skin cells.
37:26
Speaker 1: Right.
37:27
Speaker 2: Secondary transfer means that DNA can be moved from one
37:30
place to another without the person ever physically touching the
37:32
second location.
37:33
Speaker 1: Give me a real world example of how that happens.
37:36
Speaker 2: Let's say Celeste wiped her face with a towel in
37:38
the bathroom, leaving thousands of her skin cells on the fabric.
37:42
A day later, Burke uses that same towel, picking up
37:46
her cells on his hands. He then walks into the
37:49
garage and plugs in the Tesla charger.
37:51
Speaker 1: So he just transferred it exactly.
37:53
Speaker 2: He has now deposited her DNA onto the charger, even
37:56
though she was never in the garage.
37:58
Speaker 1: Wow.
37:59
Speaker 2: The defense is arguing that the presence of her DNA
38:01
in his house doesn't automatically mean a violent dismemberment occurred there.
38:05
It just means her genetic material ended up there, which
38:08
is entirely plausible given she had spent significant time at
38:12
the residence as a guest previously.
38:14
Speaker 1: That has a very potent strategy for confusing a jury,
38:17
very potent. They also lean heavily on the physical tools.
38:20
The prosecution made a huge dramatic point about the chainsaws
38:24
ordered under the alias.
38:25
Speaker 2: The Trevion Davis purchases right, but.
38:27
Speaker 1: The defense highlighted a massive forensic gap. The two chainsaws
38:32
recovered from the home tested entirely negative for blood, there
38:36
was zero biological material on them.
38:38
Speaker 2: And a third chainsaw, which was documented in the digital receipts,
38:42
was never actually located by police.
38:45
Speaker 1: So they have two clean saws and one ghost saw exactly.
38:49
Speaker 2: This is a classic missing evidence defense strategy. If the
38:52
prosecution stands in front of a jury and claims a
38:54
specific power tool was used in a gruesome mutilation, the
38:58
jury intuitively expects forensic proof on that tool.
39:01
Speaker 1: Blood, bone fragments, tissue right.
39:04
Speaker 2: If the tool is clinically clean or missing entirely, it
39:07
creates a massive gap in the narrative.
39:10
Speaker 1: The defense also rigorously questioned the thoroughness of the forensic
39:13
collection on certain items, attempting to suggest the LAPD rush
39:17
to conclusions and tailored the evidence to fit a pre
39:20
existing theory.
39:21
Speaker 2: That standard defense procedure attacking the chain of custody and
39:24
the investigation's bias.
39:25
Speaker 1: And then, of course they hammered on the fundamental reality
39:28
there is no direct visual evidence of the killing. No
39:31
security cameras captured violence, no eyewitnesses heard a struggle, none,
39:36
And they brought it back to the digital trail, pointing
39:38
to text that showed Celeste initiating meetings and making extreme threats.
39:43
Speaker 2: They are trying to complicate the power dynamic to make
39:45
it look less like a one way grooming situation by
39:48
a predator and more like a volatile, mutually destructive relationship
39:53
where anything could have happened.
39:54
Speaker 1: Which is an incredibly difficult needle to thread. When the
39:57
victim is a fourteen year old child.
39:59
Speaker 2: It's very risky. Juries are naturally and appropriately sympathetic to minors.
40:04
Speaker 1: But in a purely circumstantial case, the defense just has
40:07
to prove that the prosecution's specific twenty one minute timeline
40:11
and their theory of premeditated murder isn't the only plausible
40:15
explanation for how she died, just a reasonable doubt. So
40:18
what are the actual next steps? Judgle meta rule, there's
40:21
probable cause, the gate is open, and we are moving forward.
40:24
Speaker 2: The next major procedural date is the formal arraignment scheduled
40:29
for August thirty first, twenty twenty six.
40:31
Speaker 1: Okay.
40:31
Speaker 2: At that proceeding, the charges will be formally read again
40:34
in front of the trial court, Burke will enter his
40:37
plea again, and the complex scheduling for pre trial motions,
40:40
evidentiary hearings, and the actual trial will begin.
40:43
Speaker 1: The court reporting noted that California law generally requires a
40:46
trial to begin within a relatively short window after an arraignment,
40:50
something like sixty to ninety days. In theory, yes, is
40:54
there any reality where a trial of this magnitude happens
40:57
that quickly?
40:58
Speaker 2: It is highly unlikely. The law allows for a speedy trial,
41:02
but complex cases, especially those involving gigabytes of digital discovery,
41:06
doing forensic experts and potential death penalty implications, frequently involve
41:11
massive continuances.
41:12
Speaker 1: Both sides will need months to prepare their expert witnesses,
41:16
conduct independent forensic testing, and review the thousands of pages
41:20
of text messages in telemetry data.
41:22
Speaker 2: It will be a very slow crawl to a trial.
41:24
Speaker 1: Date, and the stakes remain incredibly high. Because District Attorney
41:27
George Gascon's office or whoever holds the office by the
41:29
time this goes to trial, is still actively evaluating whether
41:33
to formally seek the death penalty.
41:35
Speaker 2: That decision alone changes the gravity of the room.
41:38
Speaker 1: It changes jury selection, It changes the resources allocated, It
41:41
shapes the entire nature of the trial itself.
41:43
Speaker 2: It absolutely will. A capital trial is a fundamentally different
41:47
creature than a standard murder trial. It requires what is
41:51
known as a bifurcated trial, one phase to determine guilt
41:54
and a completely separate phase, essentially a second trial, to
41:58
determine if the penalty should be death.
42:00
Speaker 1: We have covered a massive scope of information today, We
42:03
really have. We have traced a narrative that went from
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the meteoric, algorithm driven heights of viral indie pop fame
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on TikTok all the way down to the gruesome, chilling
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realities of a Hollywood Hills garage and an abandoned electric
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vehicle in a tow yard.
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Speaker 2: It's a staggering contrast.
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Speaker 1: And what strikes me looking at all these sources is
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that this entire narrative, the whole prosecution's timeline, is built
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almost entirely on invisible data.
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Speaker 2: Right the digital exhaust we talked about.
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Speaker 1: Exactly gigabytes of texts floating in the iCloud, passive location pings,
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uber recedes processed on servers in another state, and microscopic
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strands of forensic DNA.
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Speaker 2: If we step back and look at what this case
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signifies culturally, beyond the legal mechanics, it is a profound
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and terrifying commentary on the modern era. Well. It highlights
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the immense, almost dangerous tension between the curated illusion of
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celebrity culture, the extreme vulnerability of miners in a parasocial world,
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and the absolute reality of our digital footprints.
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Speaker 1: It's all colliding here.
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Speaker 2: We treat our phones as our most intimate private diaries,
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but in the eyes of the justice system there are
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our most damning, unblinking witnesses. They remember every location, every
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deleted threat, every panicked search query, and.
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Speaker 1: It leaves you with this lingering, incredibly unsettling paradox to
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mull over. Yeah, consider the modern illusion of safety we've
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been talking about. Celes was a fourteen year old girl
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who was simultaneously reported missing by her family, yet she
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was in constant thousand message contact with a famous, powerful adult.
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Speaker 2: Right under everyone's noses.
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Speaker 1: We live in an era where you can be digitally
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hyper connected, tracked by GPS satellites down to the foot,
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communicating across multiple platforms in real time to millions of people,
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and yet you can still be utterly tragically isolated the
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second the physical door closes.
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Speaker 2: The data tells the authorities exactly where we are on
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a map, but it completely fails to tell us if
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we are actually safe.
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Speaker 1: As this case heads to a jury, ask yourself, in
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a world where every single keystroke, every car trip, and
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every purchase is permanently recorded, how much of the truth
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do we actually see? Sobering thought, thank you for joining
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us on this deep dive. Keep questioning the information around you,
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and we'll see you next time.