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John DiGirolamo, author and speaker:It's Not About the dEvil (2024) · Challenges of Faith Radio Program

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Speaker 1: Come back to challenges of a radio program. I'm Garry
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Speaker 1: McCant I technoledge God, our listeners and our new listeners
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Speaker 1: in Sweden, and thank you for tuning in and joining us.
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Speaker 1: My returning guest is John D. General, John D. Jiro Lama,
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Speaker 1: and John, if I tortured your name, you know it
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Speaker 1: was not intentional. But John is a critically acclaimed author, speaker,
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Speaker 1: and anti human trafficking advocate, and as a member of
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Speaker 1: the Christian Author's Network, he is a board president of
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Speaker 1: Bringing Our Valley Hope, a non proper location in Taffick County,
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Speaker 1: Colorado who's objective is to end human trafficking and Central
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Speaker 1: Colorado through education. John has been a guest speaker on
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Speaker 1: numerous podcasts, television and radio shows. He also speaks throughout
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Speaker 1: the country and his topical expertise includes how keep Kids
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Speaker 1: Stay from Online, The Myths Versus Realities of human trafficking,
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Speaker 1: and human side of policing. John is the author of
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Speaker 1: three books and a brand new one Is Not About
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Speaker 1: the Devil. True stories about fighting evil in the modern
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Speaker 1: world in which we would be discussing today as a
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Speaker 1: listener is sit back, take it in and apply it
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Speaker 1: to your Life, John, Welcome back to John's Just a
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Speaker 1: Faith Radio program.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, it's great to be back on
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Speaker 2: the show.
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Speaker 1: First and foremost, hor are you and loved ones? And
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Speaker 1: congratulations on your brand new books.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you. Yeah, my family's doing great. We had
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Speaker 2: a very nice holiday season and looking forward to the
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Speaker 2: Christmas season as well.
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Speaker 1: John, I understand you have three more true stories. What
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Speaker 1: are they and why did you include them in your book?
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Speaker 2: Sure? So, you know, I've written about I would say
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Speaker 2: evil in the world, things like human trafficking and online predators,
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Speaker 2: and I wanted to continue with that theme and wanted
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Speaker 2: to showcase three people that stand up against evil, people
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Speaker 2: who protect the vulnerable. And I wanted to create stories
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Speaker 2: that are compelling but also a great read and can
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Speaker 2: be an inspiration for people. So I focused on three
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Speaker 2: different people. One was a police officer who goes undercover
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Speaker 2: as an online thirteen year old girl, and so it
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Speaker 2: shows how we got into that and all the things
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Speaker 2: that happens. I think, you know, parents are going to
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Speaker 2: be really interested in hearing about that. The second story
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Speaker 2: is an abortion doctor who transforms into a pro life
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Speaker 2: advocate and then finally an insider's view into what actually
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Speaker 2: happens during an exorcism. You know, we see a lot
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Speaker 2: of stuff and out of Hollywood, and I did not
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Speaker 2: consider myself an expert in this area until I started
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Speaker 2: researching and interviewing people, and you know, a lot of
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Speaker 2: stuff is sensationalized by Hollywood, and I wanted to really
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Speaker 2: showcase what happens, what really happens with an exorcist situation,
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Speaker 2: and kind of all the evil that happens in the world.
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Speaker 2: I mean, who is the ultimate predator, and that's of
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Speaker 2: course Satan. John.
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Speaker 1: Really, in all three of your true stories, you're showing
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Speaker 1: how the devil is busy in our modern society, just
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Speaker 1: like you indicate it. So let's delve a little deeper
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Speaker 1: into spiritual warfare a portune of your book, Brother John,
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Speaker 1: I believe many problems of Jesus Christ are unaware of
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Speaker 1: it in our daily lives. For example, Daniel and our saviors,
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Speaker 1: disciples and follows in the New Testament reflects an example
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Speaker 1: of a Daniel. Chapter ten. Of course, that outline where
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Speaker 1: Daniel had prayed and uh the Angel had Gabel had
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Speaker 1: let him know that his prayer had been answered a
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Speaker 1: few weeks ago, but he was held up in the
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Speaker 1: in the battle unseen, battle behind the scene warfare to
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Speaker 1: such a degree that he then you had to call
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Speaker 1: on another archange of Michael in order to come in Assis.
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Speaker 1: And of course, as a word to God. Lets us
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Speaker 1: see how that Michael, uh the devil wanted the body
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Speaker 1: of Moses. The word doesn't tell us why he wanted it.
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Speaker 1: But Michael the archangel respected the fact of who the
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Speaker 1: devil was and his his power and so forth. And
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Speaker 1: so what Michael said to the devil in accordance with
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Speaker 1: the word was that that that he didn't say, Michael
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Speaker 1: the Archangel reduced to let it. Could we know that
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Speaker 1: the Lord reviewd them? So, John, would you share with
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Speaker 1: us about Clement one of your true stories.
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Speaker 2: Sure, you know it's as it takes place here in
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Speaker 2: our modern society. And you know, there's an old saying
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Speaker 2: that the devil's greatest trip is convincing us that he
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Speaker 2: doesn't exist, and and and I think that's kind of
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Speaker 2: what we've what we've evolved to in the modern culture.
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Speaker 2: And so this story here about about exorcism really has
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Speaker 2: two main characters, and it's about one person's journey before, during,
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Speaker 2: and after going through an exorcism. And it's based on
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Speaker 2: real case files from the person who wrote the training
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Speaker 2: manual for exorcists. So, you know, I wanted to make
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Speaker 2: this story real and accurate and compelling, but not sensationalize it.
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Speaker 2: And and and I think that really makes it more powerful.
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Speaker 2: So you've got this main character of somebody who's in
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Speaker 2: the room when this happens, and it goes through some
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Speaker 2: of the realities that when somebody gets to the point
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Speaker 2: of going through an extorcism. You know, they typically just
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Speaker 2: don't walk into a church and all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: you know that afternoon they're they're working with this person.
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Speaker 2: It's it's something that's not taken lightly. You know, a
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Speaker 2: few surprises for myself. For example, is any a physical
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Speaker 2: mental exam before any exorcism takes place? You know, they don't.
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Speaker 2: They just don't throw some holy water on them and
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Speaker 2: call it a day. And there is a lot of
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Speaker 2: mental health issues out there, and it takes a long time.
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Speaker 2: And so the story's chronicled the other main character who
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Speaker 2: is struggling with sin and vice. The invitation that this
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Speaker 2: person accepted into the dark side really in three different ways.
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Speaker 2: One was a rejection of God, the other was through
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Speaker 2: a cold activities and then through their habitual mortal sins,
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Speaker 2: you know, kind of repeating those things over and over again.
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Speaker 2: And and that invitation was except by this person and
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Speaker 2: and they eventually get the wherewithal the seak help from
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Speaker 2: the church, and and the story chronicles, you know that
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Speaker 2: the ebb and flow of.
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Speaker 3: Of how that happens and and and what really happens
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Speaker 3: uh in that process, And it won't give away the ending,
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Speaker 3: but but it's definitely a battle between between the devil
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Speaker 3: and Christ. But as I'm sure you and your listeners
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Speaker 3: know at the end, you know, Christ's always prevailed.
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Speaker 1: M John, How do you biblically see demonic forces working
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Speaker 1: through the pitfalls of human sin?
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Speaker 2: Sure? So you know we know from the Bible that
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Speaker 2: about one third of the angels, you know, fell, and
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Speaker 2: and what was happening, well, they were rejecting God. And
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Speaker 2: once they made that decision, you know that that kind
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Speaker 2: of locked in their faith. And and they they really
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Speaker 2: hate humans. They you know, they don't want to search
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Speaker 2: humans at all, and so their goal is to bring
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Speaker 2: us away from God and tempt us to sin. And
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Speaker 2: and they're hoping that we invite those dark bault forces
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Speaker 2: into our lives. You know, I don't want the listeners
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Speaker 2: to think that, you know, the devil made me do
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Speaker 2: it is the reasons for all of the bad behavior
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Speaker 2: in our world. You know, clearly, most of our problems
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Speaker 2: are due to our own bad choices, right, you know, small, medium,
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Speaker 2: or large bad choices. And so we have free will.
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Speaker 2: Angels have free will, demons have free will. You know,
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Speaker 2: the angels accepted love, you know, the demons did not.
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Speaker 2: And so you know, most of the time, and I
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Speaker 2: wanted to make this clear to you know, to to
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Speaker 2: the audience that when you're talking about, you know, possession
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Speaker 2: by a demon, that's pretty rare. What's a lot more
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Speaker 2: common is diabolic influence. And you think about what is
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Speaker 2: the demon's job. What are they trying to do? And
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Speaker 2: essentially what they want to do is influence or tempt
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Speaker 2: people to reject God and embrace you know, vices or sin,
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Speaker 2: be selfish. You know, that's a recipe for you know,
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Speaker 2: not achieving salvation. That's a recipe for you know, going
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Speaker 2: down to hell and the devil wants you to beat
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Speaker 2: yourself up. You know, one of the biggest lies is
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Speaker 2: that you are unforgivable, and the devil wants you to
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Speaker 2: think that you're unforgivable and just give up. And so
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Speaker 2: that's kind of the battle that's going on. And if
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Speaker 2: you believe the devil's lies, you know, you're going to
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Speaker 2: turn away from God. And if you don't and you
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Speaker 2: turn towards God, then you're going to be, you know,
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Speaker 2: on that path to salvation.
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Speaker 1: You know, John, I like the way you really laid
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Speaker 1: it all out because you started off where use your
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Speaker 1: own independent research because you wanted the factual truth behind it,
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Speaker 1: and then from there you also shared how that you know, yeah,
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Speaker 1: there are some mental you know, challenges that individuals would have,
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Speaker 1: and then you came along and made it clear at
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Speaker 1: the same time that no, you're not trying to put
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Speaker 1: everything on the devil, but you broke it down and
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Speaker 1: you laid it out so that all of us could
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Speaker 1: understand clearly what's involved in the role that we have
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Speaker 1: the play, especially with our own volition in contrast whether
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Speaker 1: the angels or whether the demons, that we have a
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Speaker 1: role to play with our wheel. And that leads to
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Speaker 1: the next question, So how does the power of Christ prevail?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good question. And you know, some
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Speaker 2: of the things that I learned during this during the
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Speaker 2: process of writing this book and interviewing people, was some
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Speaker 2: of the surprises that that you don't see coming out
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Speaker 2: of Hollywood, which is, you know, the the exorcist doesn't
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Speaker 2: have the power. All that power comes from the Christ.
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Speaker 2: But the job of the exorcist isn't necessarily to cast
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Speaker 2: out the devil per se. It's to find out why
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Speaker 2: is that demon there in the first place? You know,
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Speaker 2: how did this, how did this happen? And you know,
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Speaker 2: the exorcist job is to get that person back on
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Speaker 2: to the path towards Christ.
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Speaker 1: But the person has to be.
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Speaker 2: Willing to change their life. Otherwise the demon's not going
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Speaker 2: to leave because the demons believes and rightly so, that
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Speaker 2: they have some kind of you know, right to be there,
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Speaker 2: because that person in many cases have you know, have
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Speaker 2: invited the devil inside so inside their house, so to speak.
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Speaker 2: And so you know, one of the things that that
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Speaker 2: that you know, that I learned through this research is
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Speaker 2: that the person really has to want to be and
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Speaker 2: to leave. Now that the average person's gonna say, well,
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Speaker 2: of course, why would you not want a demon to leave?
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Speaker 2: And the reason is is that if the person is
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Speaker 2: so attached to their sinful behavior, if they're so attached
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Speaker 2: to the temptations of the devil, then they're not going
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Speaker 2: to want to further their relationship with God. And so
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Speaker 2: until their behavior changes, until they really try to strengthen
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Speaker 2: that relationship, they can't be blause a about your relationship
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Speaker 2: with God. You have to do that, which is I
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Speaker 2: think why one of the one of the things that
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Speaker 2: I was told is that the process takes a long time.
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Speaker 2: And I think if that's because the person isn't starting
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Speaker 2: out in a good place right, They're not starting out
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Speaker 2: with a good relationship with Christ. They have to build
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Speaker 2: that relationship, walk that path. That takes time, and until
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Speaker 2: that person fully rejects the temptations of the devil, you
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Speaker 2: know that demon is not going to leave. And so
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Speaker 2: until that happens, that's when Christ will come in through
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Speaker 2: the exorcist and really just cast the demon out. And
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Speaker 2: that can happen happen very quickly, but there's a long
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Speaker 2: lead time to get to that point, if that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, while you were sharing it, I was
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Speaker 1: thinking about not go not to go political or anything,
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Speaker 1: but but I was thinking about what I had heard
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Speaker 1: recently as released to uh the China fittanog Uh and
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Speaker 1: Mexico and then in the United States, And what was
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Speaker 1: thrown out, which is true, is that you know, in
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Speaker 1: order in order to in order for the product, the
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Speaker 1: death killing product of fitting off, to be accepted, you
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Speaker 1: have to have someone who wants to use it. And
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Speaker 1: I'd say that because you had alluded to where as rased,
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Speaker 1: the demonic forces, you know, believe they have a right
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Speaker 1: to be there because, like you said, unless the individual
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Speaker 1: decides to turn poorly toward God in terms of from
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Speaker 1: a repentance standpoint, then they're still got their foot there
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Speaker 1: in the demonic world at the same time, allowing them
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Speaker 1: to harash and so forth. So it kind of like
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Speaker 1: was correlating that the same because you made it so
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Speaker 1: simple and have and said that, John, what are the biblical, physical, emotional,
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Speaker 1: and spiritual dangers of being involved in occult practices?
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Speaker 2: Sure, so, it's it's advertised as fun and games, you know, witchcraft,
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Speaker 2: Luigi boards, seances, mediums, things like that. It's it's it's
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Speaker 2: advertised as you know, kind of no big deal. But
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Speaker 2: if you look at which witchcraft is growing in this country,
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Speaker 2: especially with young adult females, which is a TikTok gets
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Speaker 2: millions and millions of views, uh in a matter of
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Speaker 2: hours when when they put out something new. And you know,
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Speaker 2: if you take the high level view of as human beings,
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Speaker 2: our hearts desire more than just earthly pleasures. This is
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Speaker 2: where God could come in and complete us, fill us. Right.
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Speaker 2: But we're in a society where church attendance is declining.
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Speaker 2: If people are not seeking out God, we're seeing the
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Speaker 2: rise of the occult is you know, gaps filling the gap,
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Speaker 2: and that's where it can become dangerous. And I'm not
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Speaker 2: saying that if you know you and your friends played
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Speaker 2: Luigi Board twenty years ago that all of a sudden
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Speaker 2: you're going to have diabolic influence. But like any risky behavior,
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Speaker 2: the more you do something, the more likely and that
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Speaker 2: some kind of bad results is going to happen. And
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Speaker 2: you know, the the overriding concept of this is as Christians,
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Speaker 2: if you invite God into your life, he is going
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Speaker 2: to respond. If he's going to give you strength support,
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Speaker 2: if you invite that relationship into your life, well, if
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Speaker 2: you're messing around with witchcraft, seances, things like that, you're
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Speaker 2: not inviting God into your life, you're inviting some other forces.
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Speaker 2: And if you invite them into your life, well they're
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Speaker 2: going to respond as well. And so when you look
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Speaker 2: at the occult, if you're trying to seek power that
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Speaker 2: isn't coming from Christ, the only other place that's coming
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Speaker 2: from is from unholy forces. And and so that's that's
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Speaker 2: kind of what people really need to realize. But yet
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Speaker 2: you've got a lot of these occult activities. You know,
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Speaker 2: they kind of advertise themselves as as fun and games,
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Speaker 2: social interactions, you know, no big deal. But if you
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Speaker 2: talk to exorcists, they know that, you know, the devil
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Speaker 2: can string you along and think you're talking to your
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Speaker 2: dead grandmother and you know, in a in a seance
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Speaker 2: or something like that. But but the devil, as the devil,
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Speaker 2: knows what's going on and can trick you. And you know,
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Speaker 2: in that kind of situation, you're not asking for Christ
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Speaker 2: to help you. You're asking for unholy forces. And that's
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Speaker 2: what the cult is really about.
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Speaker 1: And that's why as good that God have you out
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Speaker 1: there also communicating with parents, especially as you went back
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Speaker 1: from sharing about Luigi boards and so forth, and our
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Speaker 1: was reminded when I was in the law enforcement world
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Speaker 1: of having one of the assignments. Every time there was
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Speaker 1: a Halloween time, I would have to go near university.
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Speaker 1: Is only because for some occultic reason, which is would
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Speaker 1: take cats and they would end up, you know, slicing
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Speaker 1: their throats and doing worship and sacrifices and so forth.
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Speaker 1: But it comes back to exactly what you get said,
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Speaker 1: all this practices and so forth. So, John, what does
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Speaker 1: the listeners need to know about diabolic effiction?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's you know, the the diabolic affliction is
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Speaker 2: a lot more common, let's say, of a full blown
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Speaker 2: demonic possession, which is really about one percent of you know,
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Speaker 2: of the cases that come to the church. Most of
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Speaker 2: that affliction takes the form of trying to influence or
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Speaker 2: tempt us to devices sinful behavior and to lead us
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Speaker 2: away from God. If you're going to, uh, you know,
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Speaker 2: a meeting of witches, you're not spending time in church.
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Speaker 2: You know that it can attack the body, the mind.
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Speaker 2: It's looking to to torment us in any kind of
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Speaker 2: way that it can, and ultimately we have the free
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Speaker 2: will to reject sin to do better. You know, none
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Speaker 2: of us are perfect We're always going to make mistakes,
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Speaker 2: but we have the free will to move towards God,
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Speaker 2: to try to ask for strength, to always you know,
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Speaker 2: kind of embraced His will. And that's what I think
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Speaker 2: people really need to, you know, to think about it.
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Speaker 2: Takes some responsibility for it, but be aware that these influences,
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Speaker 2: these temptations are absolutely out there. And you know who
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Speaker 2: you're spending your time with is it's playing Ouiji boards.
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Speaker 2: You know that's that's not bringing you closer to God.
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Speaker 1: So, brother John, how do followers of Jesus Christ stand
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Speaker 1: up too dark forces in today's society?
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Speaker 2: Sure? So the good thing is is that you know,
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Speaker 2: the plan is actually pretty simple. The bad news is
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Speaker 2: that it's not easy. So so to me, the best
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Speaker 2: defense is a strong offense. So, you know, we don't
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Speaker 2: destroy God by rejecting him, we destroyed ourselves. And there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of people who are angry at God or
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Speaker 2: whatever reason, something something bad happened to them or family member, friends,
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Speaker 2: et cetera. You know, but God's job isn't to make
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Speaker 2: our lives easy. You know. God's job is to be
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Speaker 2: there hold our hands through all of the trials and
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Speaker 2: tribulations that happen while we're on earth. So so it's
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Speaker 2: really just you know, coming down to strengthening that relationship
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Speaker 2: of faith in God, praying especially for protection, attending church,
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Speaker 2: avoiding the occult, and pursuing virtue and avoiding vices, you know,
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Speaker 2: and and then and then finally, you know, repentance, penitence,
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Speaker 2: you know, things things like that, asking for forgiveness. It's
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Speaker 2: not really a rocket science plan, but it's it's hard
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Speaker 2: to do. It's hard to always keep the faith. You know,
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Speaker 2: everyone has gone through situations where maybe they question what's
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Speaker 2: going on, things like that, and and obviously it's you know,
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Speaker 2: it's it's hard to always you know, follow follow the
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Speaker 2: the behavior of pursuing vices, sorry, pursuing virtues rather than
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Speaker 2: and so it's it's, you know, it's a real battle.
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Speaker 2: And uh, but I think if you keep working on
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Speaker 2: all those things and ask for strength, ask for strength
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Speaker 2: from God, you're going to receive that strength.
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Speaker 1: What are the personal family, community, as society of rem
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Speaker 1: occasions if we do not, Yeah, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, I'm I think we're all seeing that society has
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Speaker 2: become more secular in the last generation orship or so.
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Speaker 2: The church attendance is down Christians are routinely mocked, and
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Speaker 2: in my opinion, I think we've seen the parallel of
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Speaker 2: society going down. You know, throughout the Bible, we see
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Speaker 2: God's people turning away from him and it didn't end
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Speaker 2: well for them. You know, Jesus died on the cross
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Speaker 2: for our sins, and to reject that is going to
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Speaker 2: bring you away from salvation. And for me, I think
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Speaker 2: it really starts with the family, each a strong Christian
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Speaker 2: foundation from the beginning, and I think that's the only
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Speaker 2: way we're going to turn around some of these cultural
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Speaker 2: influences ever seen m.
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Speaker 1: From the job. As you look at all three true stories,
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Speaker 1: and without giving away the total book, in what ways
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Speaker 1: does all thread true stories intertwine and biblically reflect the
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Speaker 1: spiritual warfare showcase in the Word of God.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the underlying thing really is is people who
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Speaker 2: are looking to protect the vulnerable, you know, whether that's
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Speaker 2: kids online, the unborn, or those that are you know,
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Speaker 2: away from the church, so to speak. And and so
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Speaker 2: these these stories are showing out three people had their
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Speaker 2: lives changed when they were selfless and thought to thought
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Speaker 2: to help others. You know, there's definitely a strong component
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Speaker 2: of Christian values weave through these stories, but it's it's
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Speaker 2: based upon the person that I interviewed and how, you know,
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Speaker 2: how they made choices in their lives and how that
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Speaker 2: worked out for them. So so my job as an
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Speaker 2: author was to, you know, tell their stories in the
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Speaker 2: most interesting and powerful way that I could. And uh,
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Speaker 2: and how were they influenced by how they helped others
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Speaker 2: and so you know, there's definitely a strong piece of
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Speaker 2: of when they were serving others, you know, good things
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Speaker 2: essentially came back to them.
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Speaker 1: How can listeners purchase your new book? It's not about
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Speaker 1: the Devil, true stories about fighting evil in the modern world.
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Speaker 2: Now, all my books are sold on Amazon and Barnes
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Speaker 2: and Noble. You can get it on an ebook. Some
25:51
Speaker 2: are on audio as well as paperbacks, so those are
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Speaker 2: the two best best places to purchase them online.
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Speaker 1: And John, how can they context you?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have a website which is www. It
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Speaker 2: is not about dot com. There's a contact me form
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Speaker 2: on the website with my email address, so it's pretty
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Speaker 2: easy to get hold of me if you if you
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Speaker 2: have comments thoughts about the book. I always enjoy hearing
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Speaker 2: from the readers.
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Speaker 1: Listeners. Take a look at our show notes on John's
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Speaker 1: Total Information, whether it's on VTR, Spreaker, Chopify, Alrightheart Radio,
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Speaker 1: Amazon Music, and more. Just take a look at the
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Speaker 1: show notes and reach out to him, let him know
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Speaker 1: what you think after you purchased a book any of
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Speaker 1: his books at the same time. Brother John, any final words, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: These are real stories based upon interviews, testimony, case files,
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Speaker 2: you know, but it's not a it's not set up
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Speaker 2: to be a documentary or to read like a report.
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Speaker 2: It's compelling plot and what I would call, you know,
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Speaker 2: don non fiction dramatization. So there's action, there's dialogue, there's emotions.
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Speaker 2: All the things that you would expect in a fast
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Speaker 2: paced fiction novel you're going to find in this book.
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Speaker 2: There there are stories that you're going to want to
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Speaker 2: find out what happens next. And you know, I worked
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Speaker 2: with each of the three individuals in this book. We
27:32
Speaker 2: went back and forth editing to make sure that it
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Speaker 2: was accurate. So you know, I really feel like you
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Speaker 2: get to know these people through the stories, and I
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Speaker 2: think the readers are going to see a little bit
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Speaker 2: of themselves in all of the characters. So I think
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Speaker 2: it's really going to resonate with the readers and and
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Speaker 2: hopefully makes you know for a really quick read and
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Speaker 2: also you know, learn some things along the way. But
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Speaker 2: at the same time, you know, having a really good
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Speaker 2: book that yeah, that keeps your attention.
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Speaker 1: Listeners. I'm in total agreement with Brother John because it
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Speaker 1: resonated with me, very totally, because I remember as a
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Speaker 1: youth as relates to Luigi boards and so forth, and
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Speaker 1: of course later professionally law enforcement wives as with all
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Speaker 1: having to investigate a lot of that. But at the
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Speaker 1: same time I encourage you again to take heed to
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Speaker 1: all that Brother John has said today, and of course
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Speaker 1: Brother John will be returning as you know, as he's
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Speaker 1: able to on the other endeavors he may have as
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Speaker 1: relates to additional books and so forth. For John, I
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Speaker 1: want to thank you for taking the time out of
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Speaker 1: your schedule to come on to share it, because again
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Speaker 1: today was very clear and you broke it down for
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Speaker 1: all of us to understand, so that as we understand
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Speaker 1: what you've shared, we could take a moment and at
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Speaker 1: ourselves and our relationship with God and know that we
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Speaker 1: do have a decision to make on whether or not
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Speaker 1: we want to go closer to him or closer to
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Speaker 1: the devil and his themighted force it because there's no
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Speaker 1: middle ground whatsoever. And again I encourage you to return
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Speaker 1: any time you sold leave.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Yeah, I really appreciate the opportunity to
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Speaker 2: connect with your audience. And it's always great to come
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Speaker 2: on the show and it thanks a lot for having me.
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Speaker 1: All right, it's an honor. Thank you listeners for tuning
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Speaker 1: in to challenges to face radio program. And again I'm
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Speaker 1: Gary McCants.