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Football at Four: What Are The Philadelphia Eagles' Biggest Offseason Priorities? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 2: Jeff wil come in. How you doing today?
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  Speaker 3: I'm great, Josh. How are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing good?
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  Speaker 1: And I wanted to start with kind of the conversation
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  Speaker 1: we were having before you jumped off which is about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Eagles in their off seasons. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the comment has been made that, you know, why would
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles be different? Why would the Eagles you know,
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  Speaker 1: have a chance to improve on last year? What makes
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  Speaker 1: them different than other teams? And I thought the comment
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  Speaker 1: is the one name, it's Howie Roseman. Howie Roseman has
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  Speaker 1: the track record of saying, this didn't work, how can
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  Speaker 1: we improve it?
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  Speaker 2: This wasn't as good? What can we do better?
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  Speaker 1: And I think that until he proves to not be
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  Speaker 1: able to do it. I'm not saying that Hay Roseman
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  Speaker 1: is an infallible jeff but I think sometimes people forget
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  Speaker 1: that how We is still here, and until he is not,
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  Speaker 1: we should, for lack of a better term, give him
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  Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt that if there was an
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  Speaker 1: issue with the team, that him, given the power by
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Lourie, will rectify it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So, I'm sorry curious just at the origin of this conversation.
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  Speaker 4: Did the Eagles roster get terrible overnight or something? I mean,
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  Speaker 4: they clearly their issues were not necessarily and I think
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  Speaker 4: all the offensive coaching moves that they may have shown
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  Speaker 4: that there their issues weren't as much personnel related as scheme.
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  Speaker 4: I think related. I think it's fair to say. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they got two of the best receivers in
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  Speaker 4: the league, great running back, right, you know they obviously
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  Speaker 4: injuries related too with the offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: But if those guys are healthy, they're good players.
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  Speaker 4: So yes, how he does have his work cut out
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  Speaker 4: for him, and there are going to be free agents
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  Speaker 4: and there's going to be changeover. But you know, I
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  Speaker 4: don't I don't think from a talent standpoint that this
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  Speaker 4: this team needs an injection of like four or five
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  Speaker 4: you know, names that really lift them over the hump
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  Speaker 4: or anything.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's the idea that people are wondering that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: are the Eagles still gonna be a playoff team next year?
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  Speaker 1: You know what is the new offensive coordinator going to
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  Speaker 1: mean for this team? And I gotta go back to
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  Speaker 1: the fact that at the end of the day, Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: you and Mega coach the team. But if the team
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  Speaker 1: has good or bad players, that's what matters most. And
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you still have very
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  Speaker 1: very good players on this team. And you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think that most Eagle fans they kept complaining, right anyone
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  Speaker 1: but Batulo, well, guess why Batulo.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think Howie's the crux of Howie's work this
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  Speaker 4: offseason as far as like the difficulty of it is
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  Speaker 4: going to be related to like bringing in over the
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  Speaker 4: hump type players. It's going to be remaking the offense
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  Speaker 4: a little bit, gonna be contracts on the defense. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of it has already taken place with helping
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  Speaker 4: Nick find coaches and being a part of that process,
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  Speaker 4: but there have been there have been far more i'd
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  Speaker 4: say difficult off seasons for Howie in the past and
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  Speaker 4: probably the one coming up. I think the big question
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  Speaker 4: about next year is more about does does it all
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  Speaker 4: work together? And that that's sort of out.
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  Speaker 3: Of how He's hand at that point, Right.
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  Speaker 4: You get the players, you get the scheme, you get
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  Speaker 4: the coaches, and you put them on the field and
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  Speaker 4: you hope that everything and everything gels.
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  Speaker 1: One of the conversations we're having earlier as well is
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  Speaker 1: about the offseason. You know who's the priority, right and
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  Speaker 1: you know Jillen Phillips is an interesting conversation, Jeff, because
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  Speaker 1: we know he's gonna be one of the top free
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  Speaker 1: agent targets for a lot of teams this offseason. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he's younger than Trey Hendrick, City's younger than Joey Bosa, right,
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  Speaker 1: but he also has an injury history.
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  Speaker 2: We know that he likes Fic Fangil. Well, fake Fangil
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  Speaker 2: might only be here for one more year.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, for the Eagles, you obviously have a
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  Speaker 1: guy who is going to be a onted needed player
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  Speaker 1: for this team, but he's not gonna come cheap. So
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  Speaker 1: for the Eagles, it's not going to be an easy decision, right, Jeff.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I hate this out this early out making that decision
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  Speaker 4: or even talking about that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, a lot of those discussions they started.
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  Speaker 4: The combine and if there's a work once you get
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  Speaker 4: back and agents start calling around and e gauging the interests,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, we could see an extension before free
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  Speaker 4: agency even started, and it could be just that simple.
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  Speaker 4: I want to play for the Eagles. They're giving me
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  Speaker 4: the right money. You know, the market is good for
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  Speaker 4: what the Eagles. I mean, these Eagles expect to pay
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  Speaker 4: edge rusher's top edge rusher money. It's not like they
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  Speaker 4: go out looking to take an edge rusher and think
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  Speaker 4: that they can get a really really good one at
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  Speaker 4: a mid market deal. You know they've they've always been
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  Speaker 4: good with the market on guys at play at premium positions.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Motion joining us from the Inside the Birds podcast
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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds dot Com and his latest article over
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  Speaker 1: at Philly Voice has to do with another offseason conversation point,
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  Speaker 1: and that is, well, we always love to talk about
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks and another in person the national media has starred
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  Speaker 1: the pot Jeff, and you wrote about it over at
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  Speaker 1: Philly Voice, and I like how you wrote about this
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  Speaker 1: because of the fact that it's not that the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: are trying to replace Jillen Hurts. They have a history
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  Speaker 1: of drafting quarterbacks and trying to find value. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that's kind of where I wanted to start because
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to play for you in the audience.
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  Speaker 2: Remind everybody this is.
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  Speaker 1: What Nick Fole said on the Season podcast about how
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles have a system and methodology they've always kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuck with during the Howie Roseman era.
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  Speaker 5: If you look at the Eagles and they have a methodology,
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  Speaker 5: Howie Roseman, Jeffrey Lourie have a methodology of why they
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  Speaker 5: do things. So why did they get Jalen Hurts when
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  Speaker 5: they had Carson Wentz. Well, mister Lourie loved Russell Wilson
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  Speaker 5: back in the draft. That was my draft. So hey,
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  Speaker 5: this guy reminds me of Russe Wilson. Let's get Jalen Hurts.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Great, Tanner McKee, who's the backup?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 5: Why did they get Tanner McKee? Who's the backup? Well,
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  Speaker 5: Tanner reminded them of me. I know that for a
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  Speaker 5: fact we have the same agent. You reminded them of me.
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  Speaker 5: So they love Tanner. They love them in that building.
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  Speaker 5: They think the world of them. We love cal Moore.
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  Speaker 5: We won a Super Bowl, cal Moore. You know what,
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  Speaker 5: Sean Manyon. If there was anyone out there that is
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  Speaker 5: the next Calm Moore, Seawn Manion. So let's go get him.
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  Speaker 5: So they're going back in the history of what's worked
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  Speaker 5: for them.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff, go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that there's such great irony right in
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  Speaker 4: the fact that Nick Foles being self aware of this,
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  Speaker 4: that you know, the the Eagles missed out on Russell
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  Speaker 4: Wilson that year, so they had to get Nick Foles,
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  Speaker 4: who merely just won wins them their first Super Bowl title, right,
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  Speaker 4: and then of all the ironies and then the years
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  Speaker 4: later they wind up trying to chase Russell Wilson anyway,
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  Speaker 4: But he's right, and.
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  Speaker 3: I think so.
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  Speaker 4: Jeremy Fowler made some statements that people around the league,
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  Speaker 4: around the NFL expect the Eagles to take a quarterback
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  Speaker 4: high because you know, it worked out with Jalen Hurts,
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  Speaker 4: and that's it's sort of yes, that's true. And then
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  Speaker 4: I guess Jeremy said something where it was also to
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  Speaker 4: put a little pressure on on Jailen Hurts to take
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  Speaker 4: a quarterback. But that's not as Nick pointed out well
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  Speaker 4: and I tried to do in the story, that is
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  Speaker 4: not why the Eagles drafted Jalen Hurts to put pressure
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  Speaker 4: on Carson Wentz. It's not at all why they drafted Jillen.
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  Speaker 4: Hurts had nothing to do with it. And it's revisionist history.
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  Speaker 4: And I know a lot of fans like to now
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  Speaker 4: say that they drafted Hurts to replace Carson Wentz because
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  Speaker 4: everybody hates Wentz and they love Hurts. But that's not
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  Speaker 4: how it was. It was basically this and Nick is
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  Speaker 4: a big part of this, right, Josh. You know, the
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  Speaker 4: Eagles have always believed in the value of a backup quarterback,
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  Speaker 4: a strong backup quarterback who can win games. And Nick
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  Speaker 4: Foles validated that belief right by being a backup quarterback
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  Speaker 4: who won a Super Bowl for them. But guess what
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  Speaker 4: he got really costly for them. And before Nick Foles,
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  Speaker 4: it was Chase Daniel at seven million dollars, and then
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  Speaker 4: it was Foles at I think four, but then eleven
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  Speaker 4: million or nine million the next year because he was
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  Speaker 4: Super Bowl MVP and he was gonna have to start game,
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  Speaker 4: and it got really costly for the Eagles to invest
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  Speaker 4: in backup quarterbacks. So they shifted their philosophy a little
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  Speaker 4: bit in not devaluing the backup but then wanting young,
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  Speaker 4: cost controlled backups, and they started to move away from
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  Speaker 4: the five to six seven million dollars a year.
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  Speaker 3: Even Josh McCown, who is.
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  Speaker 4: Their backup at in twenty nineteen, was two million dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Last year, the Eagles paid two point four.
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  Speaker 4: Million for both McKee and Sam Howel combined. Okay, so
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  Speaker 4: the Eagles have been drafting quarterbacks for quite a bit now,
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  Speaker 4: you know. They did it with mc cord obviously McKee,
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  Speaker 4: you know, because that's their core belief. They want to
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  Speaker 4: have young developmental quarterbacks that they also believe in, that
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  Speaker 4: they think that they like that can win step in
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  Speaker 4: win games. And so if you look at this year's draft, Josh,
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  Speaker 4: there's not a you might move. The Eagles might move
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  Speaker 4: Tanner McKee, right and if they do, that leaves them
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  Speaker 4: with no backups because.
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  Speaker 3: Sam Howell's not under con tracked as a free agent.
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  Speaker 4: All right, So right then and there, if you move
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  Speaker 4: Tanner McKee, you're gonna need that nice young developmental backup, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: and b Just like when they drafted Hurts, they reached
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  Speaker 4: as far as they're grade on him, you may have
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  Speaker 4: to do that this year because after Mendoza and then
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  Speaker 4: you get to like the next two or three four,
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  Speaker 4: there's not these guys Samson whatever, you know, Nuss Miner.
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  Speaker 4: They could go anywhere on day two or day three.
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  Speaker 4: So you don't want to get blindsided again like they
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  Speaker 4: did with Russell Wilson. So if they took a quarterback
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  Speaker 4: in round two, round three, it doesn't mean they have
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  Speaker 4: him graded as such. It just means that they don't
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  Speaker 4: want to lose out on a guy that they like,
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  Speaker 4: and they have to draft Tom Eye.
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  Speaker 1: And the other thing is Zoe you just mentioned about
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  Speaker 1: there's all these different names of guys who previously were
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  Speaker 1: considered high prospects, right, and then they've kind of fallen
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  Speaker 1: down the interest ranking. And for a team like the Eagles,
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  Speaker 1: they have the luxury of having a franchise quarterback. The
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  Speaker 1: drafted guy you mentioned nus Meyer for example, a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years ago he was sidered a very hot commodity.
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  Speaker 1: Now he's probably a Day three pick, and for a
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  Speaker 1: team of the Eagles, they can, without pressure, pick a
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  Speaker 1: guy like him and say, hey, let's see what happens,
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  Speaker 1: like you mentioned they did with Colin McCord.
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  Speaker 4: Right, And I think the pressure has already been put
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  Speaker 4: on Jailen Hurts by the organization, to be honest with you,
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  Speaker 4: we don't have to wait to the draft to see
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  Speaker 4: if they come up with a quarterback or not, because
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  Speaker 4: they basically just said the last three years, I don't
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  Speaker 4: care about the Super Bowl, the Super Bowl MVP, and
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  Speaker 4: the two other playoff appearances are the five and five
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  Speaker 4: year We are offense stunk, are schemes stunk, and we're
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  Speaker 4: gonna completely the fall. Guys right now are gonna be
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  Speaker 4: the coaches, so we there's not obviously almost all of
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  Speaker 4: them are gone, and now you've got new offensive coaches
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  Speaker 4: in and with that a new scheme, and I you know,
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  Speaker 4: if you shoot the Eagles up with true serum, they
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  Speaker 4: of course they want Jaialen Hurts to be able to
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  Speaker 4: excel and flourish in that scheme. I don't even think
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  Speaker 4: you have to shoot him up with see him that
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  Speaker 4: that's what they want, because they're in bed with him
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  Speaker 4: for years and may he's been successful and they would
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  Speaker 4: love to see him transition to this new offense and
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  Speaker 4: everything's great and works out, because that's that's the whole
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  Speaker 4: purpose of this, right But if it doesn't, if he
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  Speaker 4: doesn't take to the new offense, if we're in.
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  Speaker 3: November and the Eagles are a middling team.
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  Speaker 4: Or five hundred or looking kind of like last year
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  Speaker 4: where you know it's a first round exit, well then
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  Speaker 4: they got to figure out is it more than just
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  Speaker 4: the scheme, and then they have to make decisions going forward.
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  Speaker 4: But that's that's who cares who they pick in April.
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  Speaker 4: That's already been the template, that's set by what they've
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  Speaker 4: done this offseason.
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  Speaker 1: You just mentioned something really quick that I want to
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  Speaker 1: hit on, Jeff and I'm not saying that you're saying
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  Speaker 1: this is going to happen, but it's a comment to
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  Speaker 1: other people have made the idea that the possibility that
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  Speaker 1: Jillen doesn't pick up the offense, the offense is too
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  Speaker 1: complicated for him, or whatever, you know, verbiage the Hurts
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  Speaker 1: haters like to put out there.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not hate.
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  Speaker 1: It's a legitimate scenario that maybe Jillen Hurts does have limitations.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe Jillen Hurts does have certain things he's just not
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  Speaker 1: you know, I I've listened to guys like Kurt Warner
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  Speaker 1: talk about you know, guys processing ability, processing speed that
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  Speaker 1: you know, there are certain quarterbacks they just don't have
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  Speaker 1: it in them.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not that Hurts. Hurts doesn't stink.
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  Speaker 1: It said, maybe he's just not Patrick Mahomes what a concept.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that that's what we're going to find.
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  Speaker 3: That's possible. You know, it's certainly possible.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's it'll be a situation of the
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  Speaker 4: offense itself being too complicated. If anything is supposed to
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  Speaker 4: be a quarterback friendly offense, it's whether he's comfortable.
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  Speaker 3: Making the throws. Seeing the guys that.
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  Speaker 4: Are going to be open there and making them on
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  Speaker 4: time instead of later. That the ones that are specifically
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  Speaker 4: schemed to be there, right. That that to me is
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  Speaker 4: more of a comfort thing than a complexity thing.
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  Speaker 3: And that's a big thing. So that, I mean, that's
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  Speaker 3: a make or break thing.
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  Speaker 4: His comfort in being able to make those throws that
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  Speaker 4: are going to be there for him. And yeah, if
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  Speaker 4: he doesn't and if he regresses and it doesn't look
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  Speaker 4: good and you want to make some here, we'll go
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  Speaker 4: back to the Russell will compare Wilson comparison. If he
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  Speaker 4: winds up being a guy who had a very you know,
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  Speaker 4: a short lifespan of being a really good quarterback to
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  Speaker 4: three to four years and then new offenses and downfa regression, regression,
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  Speaker 4: maybe maybe that happens.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not a forecaster.
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  Speaker 4: I won't slam the door on it, but I never
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  Speaker 4: like to also put a lid on it, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I would. I'm very I'm very curious to see Hurts
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  Speaker 4: in this new offense, and I think that there are
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  Speaker 4: opportunities that it could be great, as much as anybody
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  Speaker 4: might say it could be a failure.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Most joining us from the inside of the Birds
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  Speaker 1: podcast into the Birds dot Com his latest column over
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  Speaker 1: at Philly Voice about Jillen Hurts and the Eagles quarterback
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  Speaker 1: history of drafting them. You just mentioned that as a
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  Speaker 1: quarterback from the offense. Can can you elaborate that? I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't plan on going on as rabbit hole by the way,
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  Speaker 1: this was not the plan for the segments day. But
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  Speaker 1: here we are anyway, on the three ESPN. What do
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  Speaker 1: you mean by quarterback friendly? Because I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people have probably heard that phrase before and they
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  Speaker 1: might not know what that actually means.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, well, first of all, it's quarterback friendly because the
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  Speaker 4: the genesis or the objective of this of a McVeigh
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  Speaker 4: slash Shanahan slash the floor offense whatever the West Coast
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  Speaker 4: offense modernized is that it uses motion. Right, it uses
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  Speaker 4: play action under center play action. There are so many
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  Speaker 4: great opportunities or across the middle of the field.
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  Speaker 3: When you have an effective under center.
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  Speaker 4: Play action game, you don't even need to run the
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  Speaker 4: ball great, You just need to show that you are
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  Speaker 4: under center and have the threat to run. And by
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  Speaker 4: the way, you should be able to run the ball
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  Speaker 4: at least pretty good. Right with Barkley and with what
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  Speaker 4: you got up front, and that opens up the middle
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  Speaker 4: of the field to you, you know, for both under
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  Speaker 4: center and then at times and shot.
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  Speaker 3: The route concepts are timing and rhythm based.
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  Speaker 4: And because it exploits every blade of grass on the field,
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: there will be opportunities for receivers we open and get
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: yards after the catch that we just have not seen
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: from the Eagles. The only even at the height of
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: the Eagles offense in twenty twenty two, twenty three yards
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: after the catch were more like, you know, you got
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: aj Brown deep down the field thirty forty yards, right,
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: and he kept going after the catch. It wasn't because
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: somebody caught a pass ten yards or fifteen yards over
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: the middle and then turned it into a thirty or
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: forty yard game. But that is what the West Coast
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: offense does. That is what the motion, the misdirection, the
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: under center, the play action does because it throws defense.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: We've seen.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm I know you asked me the question,
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: and I know you know the answer to but like
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: we see that. You watch the forty nine ers, you
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: watch the Rams, right, you watch the even the packers.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: What deep overs, high level concepts, flood concepts, all these
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: different things four strongs, right, They're all different ways of
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: getting guys open all over the field and trying to
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: create space to get you yards after contact.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just about you know, I don't want the
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: purposes of itb what you guys do. What I like
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: to do with N I step through. We like to
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: inform people, like to educate people, and like, not everyone
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: knows what we know, you know, not everyone is sitting around,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, consuming the content and watching the
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: stuff that we are knowing. And like, for example, you
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: mentioned about the West Coast offense. People hear the West
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Coast offense and they might think Andy Reid or they
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: might think Bill Walsh, you know.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: But as you just said, this is a different version.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: This is the McVeigh, Lafleur, Kevin O'Connell, Kyle Shanahan, not
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan stuff.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: And there are variables from each guy.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: And it seems like based on you wrote this recently
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: as well at Philly Voyce Manion, his perspective the new
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: OC is he's gathering all the things and he calls
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: it weaponizing it. You know, I call it just you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: you using all the information you got to put a
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: quarterback in a position to be successful. And by the way,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: everything you just described, we have seen Jalen do that
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: once before twenty nineteen Lincoln Riley, he was the runner
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: up for the Heisman.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: That offense was built a lot on. Hey, Jalen, you
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: have playmakers.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Get the ball to the playmakers and let them playmake
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: That's why.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: I said, you never want to put a lid on
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: what a person can do just because they haven't done
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: it yet.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: You know, there were times last.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Year that they did try to modernize their pass offense.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: The Chargers game really stood out.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: That was like the first shot where you started to
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: see some real NFL level pass concepts. And even though
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: there were the turnovers, which were some of them were fluky,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: there were some really.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Good throws in there. And then along the way.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Now, for whatever reason, the December came, you know to
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: say remember the playoffs, and it felt like the pass
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: offense reverted back to just hit routes and go routes.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: But we've seen glimpses of it.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: The question is, you know, can we see more of it?
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: In which I would ask, is some of what we
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: want to see right? To see more of it? How
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: much of it is the quarterback, how much of it
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: is the coaching staff, and how much of it is
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: the rest of the team. Like, I don't want to
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I don't want to vacate responsibility to the fact that,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: you know, there were people who have said aj Brown
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: did always finished routes or that. You know, the whole
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: incident with DeVante Smith and Jillen about this is I
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: thought we were doing this, and Jalen's like, no, I
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: thought we were doing this. And even though jillens the
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: responsibility for it, you know, is there a possibility that
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: maybe the receiver didn't always do their job on some
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: of these plays last year?
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, Adam and I talk on Inside the
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Birds a lot, and we thought the receivers in general
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: did a poor job of coming back to.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: The football last year.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: Obviously, the offensive line we have to fight out. You're
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: asking if it's coaching, That's a question we can't answer
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: right now. I have no idea how the offensive line
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: that played at such a high level for Jeff Steltlin
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: for so long is going to respond to the coaching
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: of Chris Cooper. I just don't know, none, none of
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: us know, right We have no idea what kind of
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: impact Josh Grizzard will have on the pass game concepts.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: So it's never one thing will it will be that
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: for the public.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: You know at times, you know, if they have a
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: bad game in October, it's going to be like the
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: quarterback stinks or the coaching stings one. It's usually one
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: or the other. Nobody ever wants to put them both together.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Or it could be like injuries or talent development wasn't there.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: But I look forward to seeing I mean, if you're
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: just if you're at that age but you're just like
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: really interested in change to see what it brings about.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: I think this is the off season for you because
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: this is going to be like what's behind door number two?
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: For the Eagles.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: It's ironic that everyone's favorite speech from Jason Kelsey he
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: says it was the whole team, but yet ten years later,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: nobody wants to admit that it could have been the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: whole team?
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Is the problem?
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: It really can't. Man, It's right though. I mean when
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: you think about.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: The injuries to the offensive line, the bad play from
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: some guys like who weren't even hurt but just didn't
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: play very well, and you know the quarterback doesn't want
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: to run, and the wide receivers don't come back to
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: the ball and one of them is not catching the ball.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: It really is, you know. I mean it was the
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: whole not the hold Arn team, because the.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Defense is pretty good and you know, but but the
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: things that were bad were not just because of one
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: thing or one person.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: And I will never let go of the fact that
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the Eagles almost had their quarterback killed in Week three
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: because they put Matt Pryor right tackle. I will never
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I will never give that up because people forget that gut.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I will never forget that third quarter. I mean, Matt
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Pryor was like a matador with a bull and like
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Jillen Hurts, like almost died three times in the field,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and they finally.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Were like, Okay, this ain't working. Kick mat Por, get
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: them out of there.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: And it's just like, you know, it's moments like that
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: that people for are so easy to forget because that
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Rams game probably looks a lot different if Lane Johnson,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: for example, plays the rest of that second half.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: It very well could. It absolutely could. And that was
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: a very strange game in general. And man, the Rams,
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: you know, the Rams. I'll say this man, if the
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Rams had even like adequate special teams, they might be Super.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Bowl champions right now.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: A lot of teams wind up kicking themselves when they
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: think they could have won it all and didn't. But
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: when you don't win it all because of your special teams,
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: that's gotta be that's like a double kick.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: In the in the rear end.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a double whammye right there. Jeff Motion from
• 22:44
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• 22:47
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• 22:51
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• 22:55
  Speaker 1: great stuff today.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it all right, Josh, thanks, appreciate it.