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  Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks,
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  Speaker 1: JP Shadwick, John Oser from the Hyundai studios at the
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  Speaker 1: Miller Electric Center in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks with us from
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  Speaker 1: the Los Angeles. We've got plenty to get to today.
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  Speaker 1: The NFL Annual Meeting review. John Oser was there in Orlandos.
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  Speaker 1: Some major rule changes coming out of those meetings. And
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  Speaker 1: of course Doug Peterson. We'll hear from the head coach
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  Speaker 1: from the AFC Coach's Breakfast at the Annual Meeting earlier
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  Speaker 1: this week. And it is mock draft season. Bucky's latest
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  Speaker 1: mock just dropped, and another player coming to the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 1: All that in just a little bit. First of all, Bucky,
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  Speaker 1: good afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: How the heck are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm great, man, It couldn't be fine.
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  Speaker 4: We got the league years kicked off. I mean, John
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  Speaker 4: Orish has been working hard at the owners meetings. I'm
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  Speaker 4: trying to listen in and see whatever he puts out
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  Speaker 4: to make sure that I'm up to date on all
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  Speaker 4: the happenings. And just wait for the drest man, just
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  Speaker 4: wait for the draft to come, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And but you had pro days the next couple of days,
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  Speaker 5: right where are you?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so pro days we have l s U Jayde
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  Speaker 4: and Damimes is going to put on a show down
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  Speaker 4: in Baton Bruge. And then we have Drake may Uh,
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  Speaker 4: the vaunted tarhell going the next day on Thursday. See
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  Speaker 4: if we can shake up these quarterback rankings?
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  Speaker 5: Are there vaunted tar hills in football?
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  Speaker 4: Some el some of the best players to ever do it?
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  Speaker 4: And there's lt And then you think of Julius Peppers.
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  Speaker 5: Famous Amos Famous.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, famous, amous, Like you have to be local products
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  Speaker 4: to understand who famous as is the famous Bucks.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like there are a lot of guys.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, come on, famous Amos back in the day,
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  Speaker 5: man was like a big deal, but just.
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  Speaker 4: For the name, just for the grew up on him
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  Speaker 4: right that I had.
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  Speaker 5: He was in your wheelhouse growing up.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I had little pictures of me and Amos, Lawrence
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  Speaker 4: and Kelvin Bryant, who Kevin Bryant was really.
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  Speaker 5: My guy, really good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah for a while.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure Jacks fans wanted to hear
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  Speaker 4: about all this tar heel lord, but yeah, famous SAMs.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to some of that coming up in just
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  Speaker 2: a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: And of course the latest mock draft just dropped, I
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  Speaker 1: believe yesterday on NFL dot Com from Bucky Brooks. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the biggest news coming out of the annual meeting earlier
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  Speaker 1: this week in Orlando were some of.
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  Speaker 2: The major rule changes.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, let's start with this kickoff rule, the
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  Speaker 1: XFL style rule. Head coach Doug Peterson was asked about
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  Speaker 1: it before the vote to make it official.
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  Speaker 2: His thoughts on the possible change.
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  Speaker 6: I think there was around twenty percent of the kickoffs
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  Speaker 6: twenty one percent of the kickoffs last year. We're returned, right,
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  Speaker 6: zero out of thirteen kickoffs in the Super Bowl. I
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  Speaker 6: think we're obviously not returned. You know, they were all touchbacks.
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  Speaker 6: I just think it's a it's a play that has
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  Speaker 6: gone away in football. But we also got to remember,
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  Speaker 6: you know, it can also be a high injury rate play,
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  Speaker 6: you know, and so we got to think about player
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  Speaker 6: health and safety and keeping our guys healthy.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, it's a unique proposal.
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  Speaker 6: Obviously, I think there's more questions that have to be asked,
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  Speaker 6: and you know, we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: Where it goes, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So apparently those questions were asked and answered by at
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  Speaker 1: least to the fulfillment of twenty nine owners because it
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  Speaker 1: was a twenty nine to three vote just the next day.
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  Speaker 1: So in general, the kickers at the thirty five. The
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  Speaker 1: other ten players from the kicking team will line up
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  Speaker 1: at the opposing team's forty. The receiving team will have
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  Speaker 1: at least nine players between the thirty five and thirty
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  Speaker 1: yard lines. So the returners are in a landing zone,
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  Speaker 1: which is essentially in the red zone from the twenty
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  Speaker 1: to the goal line. Nobody can move until the ball
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  Speaker 1: is received and then there you go. So that's the
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  Speaker 1: basic XFL rules. A few tweaks to that, Bucky. So
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  Speaker 1: first off, I mean, this is a huge change in
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  Speaker 1: the way the game will look. And John, you've talked
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  Speaker 1: about this before. Well you want to kind of see
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  Speaker 1: it when you're sitting in a bar and make it
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  Speaker 1: look like football. That's kind of the goal on a
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  Speaker 1: lot of these rules. Bucky, what's your reaction to this
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  Speaker 1: as a former player.
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  Speaker 4: I actually like the fact that they're bringing the kickoff back.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's really important. Growing up in the league,
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  Speaker 4: they felt like the kickoff return was an offensive play,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, the league has had great kickoff returners
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  Speaker 4: over the years. In the last few years, the kickoff
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  Speaker 4: was just a ceremonial play. People would tee it up
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  Speaker 4: and go through the end zone. We start and put
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  Speaker 4: the ball down in the offensive play.
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  Speaker 3: Well, now we have an.
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  Speaker 4: Opportunity to see the return game. And I think anyone
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  Speaker 4: who appreciates football can appreciate how special some of these
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  Speaker 4: returners in the league are. Well, now they get a
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  Speaker 4: chance to do it. Before we came on, I had
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  Speaker 4: a chance to look at some of those XFL numbers
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  Speaker 4: from kickoff returners. You had guys over thirty yards of
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  Speaker 4: return guys in the high twenties. That's kind of where.
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  Speaker 3: Football was during this heyday.
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  Speaker 4: It it takes some time for special teams coaches to
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  Speaker 4: adapt to kind of teaching a different technique when it
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  Speaker 4: comes to the new formation.
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  Speaker 3: But I like.
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  Speaker 4: Seeing guys have an opportunity to create big plays in
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  Speaker 4: the kicking game. If you're gonna talk about the third
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  Speaker 4: phase being an equal equal part of the game plan
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  Speaker 4: and how you must win on the kicking game and
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  Speaker 4: those things where you got to give those guys an
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  Speaker 4: opportunity to have an impact. This new proposal gives them
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  Speaker 4: an opportunity to have an impact on the kickof and
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  Speaker 4: turning game.
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  Speaker 5: It's not an equal part. But but I get yours
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  Speaker 5: three phases, three phases, it's part of a phase. Let's
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  Speaker 5: go in this day and age, Let's go fifty five
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  Speaker 5: percent offense thirty because that's the way. Clearly with the
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  Speaker 5: hip drop rule, the league is clearly just all offense.
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  Speaker 5: But that's another topic. Look my senses. I'm with Bucky.
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  Speaker 5: I like the fact that they are trying to bring
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  Speaker 5: this back into the game. I was kidding about the
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  Speaker 5: special team saying earlier, Uh, I get the idea Buck
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  Speaker 5: that probably there's gonna be some clun keyness to it
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  Speaker 5: for the first year of it, and probably my guess
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  Speaker 5: is some things they have to revisit to make sure
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  Speaker 5: that it looks right and it's being done as they
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  Speaker 5: want it. But if you're going to adapt and you're
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  Speaker 5: going to get the league overall safer, which I think
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  Speaker 5: to save the league over the next fifty years, it
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  Speaker 5: has to be safer. It can't be perceived as a
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  Speaker 5: concussion league, a megadangerous league. Parents have to want their
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  Speaker 5: kids to play the sport all that's involved with all this.
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  Speaker 5: If you're gonna have the league still be the league,
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  Speaker 5: you have to make some of these changes. So I
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  Speaker 5: think this is a nice step toward getting it back.
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  Speaker 5: My sense is it may look a little different in
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  Speaker 5: twenty twenty eight than it does in twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean some of that is.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you talk about like making it safe and for
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  Speaker 4: the parents and those things, but a lot of it
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  Speaker 4: is the head off the lawsuits' death are We're coming
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  Speaker 4: from former players, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: That's what a lot of that is. Hey, we put
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  Speaker 3: legislation in.
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  Speaker 4: We've taken some of these things out because the hip
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  Speaker 4: drop tackle, like while it's nice to bandon in theory,
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  Speaker 4: is harder and practical turns.
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  Speaker 3: Because when you're a player and from you.
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  Speaker 4: One hundred and ninety five pounds and Derrick Henry's coming
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  Speaker 4: around the corner and they're saying, hey, just wrap them
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  Speaker 4: up at two hundred and fifty pounds and take them down,
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  Speaker 4: that's not a realistic way to do it. Well, it's
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  Speaker 4: going to happen, and no one wants to do this
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  Speaker 4: because the league has always existed where there was a
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  Speaker 4: gentleman's agreement between players. Hey man, I won't hit you
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  Speaker 4: in your knees, I.
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  Speaker 3: Won't chop you down.
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  Speaker 4: I won't cut you down unless I absolutely have to. Well, now,
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  Speaker 4: when you take away being able to hit people up high,
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  Speaker 4: you now can't kind of rustle and grab them down
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  Speaker 4: without swiveling. The only recourse for players is to just
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  Speaker 4: chop and roll everybody at the knees and so like,
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  Speaker 4: we hate it, but as a defensive player, you really
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  Speaker 4: don't have a choice because I'm not gonna get a
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  Speaker 4: penalty and I'm not gonna get paying significant finds. The
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  Speaker 4: one thing that I do know I can do is
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  Speaker 4: I can just torpedo everybody right at the knees and
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  Speaker 4: there are no penalties for that.
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  Speaker 5: But it's sort of the problem about that they're taking
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  Speaker 5: so many things away. They've taken so many things away
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  Speaker 5: from defensive guys in the interest of player safety, And
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  Speaker 5: I don't know the answer. I mean, I'm with you.
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  Speaker 5: They had to do a lot of these things to
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  Speaker 5: prevent the lawsuits and in the long run save the NFL.
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  Speaker 5: I think, you know, or or at least have it
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  Speaker 5: look somewhat like it looks, but they've taken a lot
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  Speaker 5: away from defensive players.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and as you said, at fifty five percent, leaning
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  Speaker 4: towards the offense, you have owners who want to see
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  Speaker 4: look points light up because that is what fans appreciate.
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  Speaker 4: They want to see quarterbacks have big numbers because we've
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  Speaker 4: romnticized the quarterback position and those things.
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  Speaker 3: So we get all that.
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  Speaker 4: But the one thing that continues to adapt and change defenses.
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  Speaker 4: A couple of years ago, scoring up now, scoring is
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  Speaker 4: back down the defensive coordinator. Defensive players are guys that adapt,
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  Speaker 4: and so they'll adapt to this. We may not like
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  Speaker 4: what it looks like when they adapt, but I would say,
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  Speaker 4: if I'm a coach, the only thing that I can
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  Speaker 4: coach my guys to do is to take everybody out
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  Speaker 4: below the knees to get them down. You got to
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  Speaker 4: practice it. But you'll see more of those tackles than
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  Speaker 4: the traditional wrap, squeeze, roll them down because a lot
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  Speaker 4: of that crocodile death roll stuff that we're seeing was
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  Speaker 4: kind of a byproduct of some of the stuff that the.
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks did when they took the head of the game.
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  Speaker 4: With the Hawks roll tackle. Now you will see other
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  Speaker 4: measures to tackle because you got to be able to
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  Speaker 4: tackle play good defense, and at some point you got
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  Speaker 4: to get guys down by any means necessary.
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  Speaker 1: Would you even bring in like a rugby style instructor
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  Speaker 1: for that? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Too much?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think you certainly bring those guys
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  Speaker 4: in and people that have gone down that road over
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  Speaker 4: the last decade because part of what the Seahawks were
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  Speaker 4: doing with Pete Carroll had the initiative with the Seahawks
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  Speaker 4: tackle that kind of came from rugby style tackling. Now,
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  Speaker 4: what I would have to ask rugby experts do they
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  Speaker 4: have issues with the hip drop tackle? Is that a
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  Speaker 4: part of their game? If it's not a part of
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  Speaker 4: their game, well, how do they make similar tackles? When
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  Speaker 4: you're dealing with guys at those angles, the guy's heavier
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  Speaker 4: than you, he's running side by side, how do I
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  Speaker 4: get him down? All those things has to be discussed
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  Speaker 4: and talked about, and really the onus is on the
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  Speaker 4: coaches and the players to figure out how to drill it,
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  Speaker 4: how to wrap it so guys can get comfortable making
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  Speaker 4: these things. But I mean, you're asking guys who played
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  Speaker 4: football a certain way for twenty years for some guys
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  Speaker 4: like to now change at the drop of a hat.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of nuts. But look, I get it, But
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  Speaker 4: I also understand the consequences that are gonna happen when
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  Speaker 4: god defenders have to kind of change how they go
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  Speaker 4: about doing their business.
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  Speaker 5: We're gonna have knee injuries. Then in two years they're
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  Speaker 5: gonna take that away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that's right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, yeah, they're gonna have to do something.
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  Speaker 4: But that's what you're gonna do because people got mad
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  Speaker 4: when years ago when Rob Greg Krowski got hit low,
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  Speaker 4: the defenders like, man, what do you want me to do?
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  Speaker 4: I can't hit you up high. I can't hit you
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  Speaker 4: and the thing you have a fifty sixty pounds way difference.
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  Speaker 4: The only thing I can do is to get you down.
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  Speaker 3: You go see it.
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  Speaker 4: It's unfortunate and it's not a player driven thing, which
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  Speaker 4: makes it tough because I think if you ask most
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  Speaker 4: opfensive players, they will tell you like, hey, man, like
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  Speaker 4: if you can take care of my knees and audit
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  Speaker 4: other stuff like hit me high whatever. But now you
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  Speaker 4: put it in the hands of others, and so guys
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  Speaker 4: have to adapt. The players are the last ones to
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  Speaker 4: kind of know what's going on, but they'll adapt. They'll
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  Speaker 4: a just the figure out a way to make it right.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Huddle Up Podcast. JP Shadwick Choanozer Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 1: Also at the NFL annual meeting this week in Orlando,
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  Speaker 1: head coach Doug Peterson at the AFC Coach's Breakfast talking
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  Speaker 1: about the Jaguars culture and what he wanted to instill
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  Speaker 1: and explaining some of the signings in this free agency process.
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  Speaker 6: This is the culture that I want to establish in Jacksonville,
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  Speaker 6: and this is the reason why you go get guys
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  Speaker 6: like Mitch Morse and Eric Armstead's and the Darknell Savages
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  Speaker 6: and guys that have been to the postseason.
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  Speaker 2: These guys have been captains.
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  Speaker 6: On their teams, and you know, they've been to Super Bowls,
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  Speaker 6: They've they've been to AFC Championship games. You know, so
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  Speaker 6: these guys know how to win.
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  Speaker 5: And that's that's kind of the influx of.
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  Speaker 6: Talent that we want to bring on to this our
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  Speaker 6: young roster. Guys that have been there, done that. And
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  Speaker 6: I've got to continue to message the team in the
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  Speaker 6: right way. And and you know, there's got to be
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  Speaker 6: a sort of a confidence about you that you know
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  Speaker 6: when you when you take the field on game day
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  Speaker 6: that hey, you know, yeah, there's gonna be game.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna get beat.
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  Speaker 6: I understand that, but you've got to have that confidence
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  Speaker 6: and that swagger that you know you're gonna get the
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  Speaker 6: job done, you know, on game day. And I think
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  Speaker 6: bringing in some of these free agents we did this
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  Speaker 6: this spring are gonna help that.
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  Speaker 1: The full press conference available at Jaguars dot com. John,
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  Speaker 1: you were sitting right there with them.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and Bucky to me the money quote there, Yes,
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  Speaker 5: the free agents. I think the stat that I've found was,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the Bills, Packers, Raven and forty nine ers,
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  Speaker 5: which is where the bulk of this free agency class
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  Speaker 5: is from seventeen playoff appearances in the last five years combined.
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  Speaker 5: So clearly that was a thing. But to me, the
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  Speaker 5: money word there was swagger. It felt in the last
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  Speaker 5: six or seven games of last year, Doug really felt
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  Speaker 5: the team lack that that ability to sort of grab
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  Speaker 5: the season by its throat and make sure it didn't
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  Speaker 5: go down the tank. You talk to him in like,
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  Speaker 5: you know the key moments. Am I reading that right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, You're absolutely reading it right. And I think you
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  Speaker 4: will not only be reflected in the free agents that
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  Speaker 4: are brought in, but I think you will see a
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  Speaker 4: change in the guys that are drafted in terms of
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  Speaker 4: where they come from, how much success they had as
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  Speaker 4: collegiate players. The one thing that you're trying to do
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  Speaker 4: when you flip a program is you want to locker
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  Speaker 4: room full of winners, Guys that have won at every level,
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  Speaker 4: Guys that understand the commitment, the sacrifice that it takes
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  Speaker 4: to win. Guys that are willing to kind of back
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  Speaker 4: for the greater good of the team to make sure
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  Speaker 4: that the team has success. So it takes the right
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  Speaker 4: kind of guys to fit that in, and so it's
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  Speaker 4: not necessarily assembling the most talented roster. Is building the
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  Speaker 4: best team, and then building the best team, all the
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  Speaker 4: pieces of the puzzle have to kind of fit together.
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  Speaker 3: I think part of what.
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  Speaker 4: Doug is looking for guys that have won, Guys that
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  Speaker 4: understand how to play well in these high pressure moments.
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  Speaker 3: And you hope that you have enough of those.
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  Speaker 4: Older players that can teach and show the younger players
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  Speaker 4: how to handle those moments.
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  Speaker 3: Because you only get experienced by playing.
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  Speaker 4: In those games.
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  Speaker 3: And the Jaguars are hopefully.
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  Speaker 4: That they will play in more of those meaningful games,
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  Speaker 4: but you got to have people to show the young
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  Speaker 4: guys how to get it.
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  Speaker 2: Down, putting ahead.
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  Speaker 1: We're back in a moment with a look at the
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  Speaker 1: offseason program and Bucky Brooks's latest mock draft. This is
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  Speaker 5: And JP. You're about to give me off season dates, right, Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: that's yeah, all right, Well I can't wait. Please tell
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  Speaker 5: me when OTA start.
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  Speaker 2: Well, April fifteenth is strength and conditioning.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, it's big.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I like that. Yeah, so they get some there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, wait, let's start with that. I'll look for the
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  Speaker 1: official date of OTAs, but it's coming. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: like two or three weeks after that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 4: Can't Yeah, it's a few yeah, a few weeks after that.
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  Speaker 4: Normally right after the draft, a week after the draft,
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  Speaker 4: you have Ricky Minicamp.
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  Speaker 3: That Ricky Minicamp will.
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  Speaker 4: Kind of lead right into like OTA's depending on how
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  Speaker 4: you break it up. I can't wait for John Oh
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  Speaker 4: to update me with those daily reports of who how
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  Speaker 4: many completions, many balls at the ground, who's starring, who's
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  Speaker 4: gonna make the team gets off of their performances, and
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  Speaker 4: O always reporting that from jail.
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  Speaker 5: JP can vouch for you because he's here. You're out
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  Speaker 5: in Los Angeles and sunshine Bucky. But the six I
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  Speaker 5: mean four or five weeks leading into O TAS, it's
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  Speaker 5: like being around a kid at Christmas. For me, I
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  Speaker 5: can't wait and to build up the night before ot AS,
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  Speaker 5: I don't see you. It's really what I love for.
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  Speaker 5: It's kind of my favorite.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, hopefully you're doing just like the players. You're you're
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  Speaker 4: working yourself in the shape that that peak fitness. So
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  Speaker 4: when you're standing around watching everybody like you are just
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  Speaker 4: like them, you're ready to go. You're in championship for.
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  Speaker 5: Unfortunately, I am in peak fitness. This is this is
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  Speaker 5: about as peak as it gets.
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  Speaker 2: For the record.
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  Speaker 1: Phase one is two weeks long and it's just strength
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  Speaker 1: and conditioning. Phase two is three weeks long, but there
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  Speaker 1: are coaches a lot on the field. Individual drills there's
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  Speaker 1: no offense versus defense. Then Phase three is three weeks
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  Speaker 1: of ten total O t as and that's a four
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  Speaker 1: week span, so they have.
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  Speaker 2: We're looking at, you know, about a month and a
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  Speaker 2: half until.
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  Speaker 5: It's gonna it's gonna be special this year.
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  Speaker 4: It's gonna be different. This would be the best off
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  Speaker 4: season that we've had. We gonna hear people talk about
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  Speaker 4: it is the best they've been, the best shape they've
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  Speaker 4: ever been in. Ready to go?
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  Speaker 5: Draft time?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, bucking.
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  Speaker 1: Your latest mock draft dropped, I believe, yesterday on NFL
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  Speaker 1: dot Com and it's all over NFL network. The pants,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: the pundits are discussing it. They did it on Good
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  Speaker 1: Morning Football. They went all through it.
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  Speaker 5: I mean the three point Oho.
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  Speaker 2: This is it. This is You don't even remember? You
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  Speaker 2: probably did this one, don't you put it in the bank.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't even remember. I might have
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  Speaker 3: done this one at the cart I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let me refresh your memory.
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  Speaker 1: At number seventeen, the Jaguars are selecting Alabama cornerback Terry
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  Speaker 1: and Arnold in your three point zero draft.
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  Speaker 3: Look. I like Taron Arnold coming from Alabama. He's a
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  Speaker 3: high IQ player.
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  Speaker 4: He is someone who has position flexibility, meaning he can
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  Speaker 4: bounce all over the secondary and play.
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  Speaker 3: At Alabama, he spent some time.
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  Speaker 4: Playing their star position, which would be the nickel position
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  Speaker 4: for US, but he's also played outside And I heard
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  Speaker 4: Doug talk about this when he was describing Darnell Savage
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  Speaker 4: and Antonio Johnson. He talked about just having the ability
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  Speaker 4: to kind of reshuffle the deck when it comes to
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  Speaker 4: nickel situations. Teams are in nickel about seventy five percent
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  Speaker 4: of the time, so on Honored, you have a guy
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  Speaker 4: that can start our outside, he can slide inside. It
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  Speaker 4: just gives you a lot of versus like a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Of flexibility in terms of how you want.
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  Speaker 4: To match up with the teams.
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  Speaker 3: And the fact that he's a really high IQ player
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  Speaker 3: with great technique.
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  Speaker 4: I think he really fish what they're looking for the position.
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  Speaker 5: And Bucky, I'll give you a lot of credit where
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  Speaker 5: it's do. I've been talking for two or three weeks
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  Speaker 5: about having to maybe rethink how we talk about this
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  Speaker 5: defense and not talk about it so much as a
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  Speaker 5: four to three four, but talk about it more. As
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  Speaker 5: you know, I've been saying four to five, but maybe
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  Speaker 5: you just talk about it as a four man front,
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  Speaker 5: and then the back is going to be so many
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  Speaker 5: things that it's hard to really define. It's a four
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  Speaker 5: to seven Yeah, I mean it's it's talk about that
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  Speaker 5: a little bit because you educated me on that a
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  Speaker 5: few weeks ago. That's not just this defense. It's really
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  Speaker 5: the entire league right now. But how does it really
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  Speaker 5: apply to this defense?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: No, I mean the entire league is living in sub packages,
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: and so what you mean by subpackages substitution packages where
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: you're putting different persons on on the field to match up.
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  Speaker 4: So sometimes that might mean five defensive backs on the field.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes it could mean six defensive backs on.
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  Speaker 3: The field and one linebacker.
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  Speaker 4: And for D linemen, people change and vary up what
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  Speaker 4: they you want to have. Sometimes you have two D linemen,
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  Speaker 4: two linebackers, and like a bunch of dbs on the field.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: It really depends on who you're playing and what you
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  Speaker 4: have and what the strengths of the team are. Is
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  Speaker 4: important when you're trying to make that transition and shift
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  Speaker 4: to being a team that's a little more adaptable and
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: a little more matchup centric. You have to have enough
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: pieces and enough weapons to give the defensive coordinator that flexibility.
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  Speaker 3: You've heard Doug talk.
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  Speaker 4: About position versatility and how important that is. It's important
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  Speaker 4: because it allows you to kind of get your best
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  Speaker 4: eleven on the field at all times, and the more
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: that you can do enhances your opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: To get on the field. That might be maybe.
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  Speaker 4: The biggest shift in the defense. Being able to be
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: a little more adaptable and creative while staying within the
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: framework of a system and a scheme has been fairly
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: successful throughout the league.
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  Speaker 5: So how do you do that? Bucky, Pete Prisco and
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: I were talking about it on the podcast yesterday. I think,
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: you know, I think realistically you're going to see some
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: safeties in what outsiders think of as quote the Nickel roll,
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  Speaker 5: Antonio Johnson and Savage. It almost feels to me like
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  Speaker 5: it's going to be sort of weird to even call
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  Speaker 5: them quote safety and or nickel. It's just going to
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  Speaker 5: be a position that's maybe, as you say, a hybrid position,
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  Speaker 5: but at some point you sort of need to cover
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  Speaker 5: nickel too, right, I mean, like, I guess that's the
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: art of being a defensive coordinator within this is sort
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: of knowing how to get those guys into positions where
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  Speaker 5: they don't get exposed where they're in the right look
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  Speaker 5: for the right time. You know what I'm getting that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's a challenge, and yeah, you have multiple
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  Speaker 4: guys that can play that.
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  Speaker 3: So when you and Peter having.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: That conversation, a lot of it is, hey man, we
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: can do all these things on the whiteboard, but how
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  Speaker 4: much of it can we practice because we have to
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: rep it to be able to be good at it
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: in games, and how much can our guys handle when
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: it comes to processing. That's why the high IQ part.
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  Speaker 4: We'll come into these situation now when you think about
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: changing the defense, you can need smart players to be
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  Speaker 4: able to do heavy volume, high volume stuff. So I
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  Speaker 4: think you'll see a shift in that. We've already seen
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  Speaker 4: some of those things. But to put the best eleven
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  Speaker 4: on the field, yeah, you're gonna have to ask some
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: guys that can go inside and are comfortable playing inside.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: It is a different position playing the nickel or the
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: dim position. Because you're inside. You got to be physical
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: enough in the run game to.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Add like a linebacker, but you need to be nimbling.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Athletic enough to be able to play guys in space,
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: those quick jitterbugs that are in the slot. Everybody can't
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: handle that job description. I think that is a huge
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: need for the Jags. You got to try and find
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: who can be that slot defender that can get it done.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: Who else do you consider it? Seventeen? Everybody's got Tarnald
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: this week. He's the flavor of the month.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, tearing on it because I think Quinnyon Mitchell won't
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: be there, But I look, if he's not there, they're
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: a handful of corners that play there. Nate Wiggins is
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: a really good player from Clemson. Super Fast, obviously he
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: ran super fast at the Combine, but he's really thin,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy five pounds. That can be problematic
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: when you're playing against some of these big bodied wide receivers,
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: not only in the league but within the division. Nate
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Wiggins will be considered.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: You're here.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Cooper dejen talked about the kid from Iowa who's a
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: super athlete. Can play anywhere on the field, corner of safety,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: nickel don whatever it is, can return kicks and punts.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: He's a fantastic player. Got hurt at the end of
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: the Iowa season, but he'll be in consideration.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: You're here.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Kamari Lassiter, his name Banditdaballo, kool Aid, McKinstry. So they're
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: a handful of guys that can go there. But if
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: you ask me, I think this is a situation where
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: the Jags need to double up at the position, meaning
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: take one early, then come back and take another one
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: in the mid round, so maybe a first round corner,
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: then come back and take a third round corner like
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: a Max Milton, like a Dick one Hardy. So there
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: are a bunch of guys that can play. How committed
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: are you to overhauling your depth chart to make sure that.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: You have enough players to play the style?
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: And Ryan Nelson wants to play, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well look at it, look at this draft.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you spent you spent your money in free agency
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: on the front line, right and hopefully h Josh Allen
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: will get done. But if you think about it, you
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: got high price free agent and Eric Armstead you have
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: another high price homegrown free agent, and Josh Allen you
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: got a first round pick and Trayvon Walker. I mean
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: that that's a lot of capital upfront.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Now in the back game you have.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: To figure out how to do it, I would say,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: on the cheap and on the cheap would be through
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: the draft. So even though it's significant draft capital to
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: take some money in the first round, on paper, it's
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: a lot cheaper to do that than to get into
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Lugarious Snead business.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: And we saw the contrary b sign.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: So you have to make those choices, and you also
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: have to make those choices with an eye towards paying
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: your quarterback because once Trevor Larrence gets paid, a.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Whole lot of other people that's gonna get paid.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: So you're gonna have to do it with draft and
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: developed type players on both sides of the ball.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: The mock Draft three point oh Bucky Brooks available now
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  Speaker 1: NFL dot Com.
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  Speaker 5: Almost a bible, really, I mean it's almost a draft
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: Bible version three point I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I mean some of that just wait till.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: If you ate. Three point oh was something just wait
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  Speaker 5: for you.
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  Speaker 3: Wait you wait the four oh comes out. That's one you've.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Been saving it. You've been saving the good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Bucky, great stuff. As always. We'll talk to you again
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  Speaker 2: next week.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it was a lot of fun, you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Thank Bucky Brooks, John Ozer, I'm j P. Shadicker.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks to Joe Fortunado and Brent Reeber, and thanks to
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you for listening to the Huddle Up podcast.