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Baby Daddy Wanted Her Pregnancy Gone, Then She Was Dead · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: You know, when you picture a crime scene, you usually
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  Speaker 1: picture the shattered glass, right? The overturned furniture, the obvious
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  Speaker 1: signs of a struggle.
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  Speaker 2: Right, like total chaos.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. It's allowed even when it's entirely silent. You expect
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  Speaker 1: the environment to just scream that something terrible has just
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  Speaker 1: happened to someone. But today, we are taking you into
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  Speaker 1: a scene where the most terrifying element isn't the chaos,
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  Speaker 1: you know. It's the chilling silence. deliberate stillness of it all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the quiet scenes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you look at a scene that seems almost entirely
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  Speaker 1: mundane right up until the exact moment you notice the blood.
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  Speaker 2: And honestly, those are the scenes that truly keep investigators
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  Speaker 2: awake at night when the violence is so sudden and
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  Speaker 2: so intimately delivered that the victim never even had the
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  Speaker 2: chance to change their posture.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it speaks to a level of trust being weaponized
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  Speaker 2: in just the most horrific way imaginable.
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  Speaker 1: And that really brings us to our focus for today's
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  Speaker 1: Deep Dive. We have an incredibly detailed transcript from a
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  Speaker 1: Law and Crime Network documentary. And I got to say,
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  Speaker 1: the title itself is just a gut punch.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: It's called Baby Daddy Wanted Her Pregnancy Gone, Then She
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  Speaker 1: Was Dead. And our mission today is to unpack the
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  Speaker 1: tragic murder of an 18-year-old girl named Kaylin Fianna. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just such a heavy, heavy case. It is.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to explore how a truly chilling combination of
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  Speaker 1: physical crime scene clues, a best friend's undeniable intuition, and
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  Speaker 1: a killer's own digital footprint, one that absolutely refused to die,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, ultimately unraveled a massive web of lies. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's unpack this. We need to go back to the
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  Speaker 1: night of November 11th, 2022.
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  Speaker 2: So to set the scene properly for you, we are
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  Speaker 2: in Sanford, Florida. For those who might not be super
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  Speaker 2: familiar with the geography of central Florida, Sanford is a
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  Speaker 2: city located roughly 30 minutes north of Orlando.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: It's the kind of place that has its quiet pockets,
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  Speaker 2: especially late at night. And we are talking very late here.
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  Speaker 2: It's just before midnight.
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  Speaker 1: Nearing the witching hour, basically. Yeah. And what's interesting to
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  Speaker 1: me is how this whole thing starts. Like, this isn't
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  Speaker 1: a 911 call. No, not at all. This isn't a
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  Speaker 1: dispatched emergency where dispatchers are hearing screaming over the line
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  Speaker 1: or anything. An officer with the Sanford Police Department is
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  Speaker 1: just out conducting a completely routine patrol. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Just a standard drive around. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They are just keeping an eye on the community, specifically
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  Speaker 1: rolling through a place called Coastline Park.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, Coastline Park at midnight has a very
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  Speaker 2: specific atmosphere. Parks at that hour, they take on a
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  Speaker 2: completely different feeling.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure. Very creepy.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. They transition from being these open, sunny spaces of
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  Speaker 2: community and recreation to becoming these very desolate, shadowed, isolated areas.
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  Speaker 2: So as this officer is driving through, something catches their
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  Speaker 2: eye that warrants a closer look. They spot a gray
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  Speaker 2: Nissan parked in the area.
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  Speaker 1: Which, I mean, a car in a dark park after
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  Speaker 1: hours is always going to draw a patrol officer's attention, right?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. It's a classic red flag.
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  Speaker 1: But as the officer approaches, the scene gets slightly more unusual.
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  Speaker 1: The car is idling, like the engine is actively running.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And when the officer gets to the vehicle and
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  Speaker 2: shines a flashlight inside, they see an unresponsive white female
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  Speaker 2: sitting in the driver's seat.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. We know now, of course, that this is 18-year-old
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  Speaker 2: Kaylin Fianna. But in that exact moment, you know, to
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  Speaker 2: the first responder, she is simply an unknown, unresponsive individual
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  Speaker 2: in a running vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: Let's really break down the exact condition of this car.
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  Speaker 1: Because when you read the forensic reports, the physical details
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  Speaker 1: here are doing an immense amount of the heavy lifting
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  Speaker 1: for the investigator.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, they tell the whole story.
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  Speaker 1: They really do. The car is running. Every single door
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  Speaker 1: is closed. Every single window is rolled up tight, forming
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  Speaker 1: this enclosed climate-controlled bubble that with one glaring exception.
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  Speaker 2: The driver's side window. Right. It is rolled completely down.
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  Speaker 1: So you have this completely sealed off environment, except for
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  Speaker 1: a direct line of communication, or in this case, a
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  Speaker 1: direct line of fire right next to the victim's head.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But the detail that really stopped me in my tracks
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  Speaker 1: when I was going through the source material is the
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  Speaker 1: posture of the victim. The driver's seat was leaned back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the key.
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  Speaker 1: Like, Kaylin wasn't hunched over the wheel. She wasn't gripping
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  Speaker 1: the door handle. She was leaned back in the seat.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't this posture suggest a state of waiting rather than
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  Speaker 1: like panic?
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is how immediately this specific detail, the
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  Speaker 2: reclined seat, it completely shifts the entire investigative narrative.
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  Speaker 1: How so?
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  Speaker 2: Think about the biomechanics of fear. When human beings perceive
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  Speaker 2: a threat, our fight or flight response triggers instantly, right?
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  Speaker 2: It floods our system with adrenaline.
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  Speaker 1: Right, you tense up.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Our muscles tense, we lean forward, our hands go
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  Speaker 2: to the steering wheel, we prepare for action. A reclined seat,
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  Speaker 2: on the other hand, is the universal physical posture of relaxation.
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  Speaker 2: It is the posture of someone who is completely comfortable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like if you are terrified or if a stranger
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  Speaker 1: suddenly approaches your car out of the shadows in a
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  Speaker 1: dark park, your instinct is to sit up, slam the
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  Speaker 1: car and drive.
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  Speaker 2: And get out of there.
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  Speaker 1: 100%.
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  Speaker 2: You do not recline your seat and roll down your
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  Speaker 2: window in a dark, empty park at midnight unless you
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  Speaker 2: are expecting someone. And not just anyone, someone you know.
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  Speaker 2: Someone you trust enough to let them approach your vulnerable
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  Speaker 2: open window while you remain in a physically disadvantaged lean
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  Speaker 2: back position.
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  Speaker 1: It completely reframes the scene. It takes it from a
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  Speaker 1: random terrifying ambush by a stranger hiding in the bushes
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  Speaker 1: and turns it into an appointment, a meeting.
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  Speaker 2: It essentially rules out the whole stranger danger or carjacking
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  Speaker 2: theory right out of the gate.
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  Speaker 1: Because of the running car.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. A carjacker wants the vehicle. They demand you
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  Speaker 2: get out. They do not walk up to a relaxed driver,
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  Speaker 2: shoot them, and then leave the engine running and the
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  Speaker 2: car in park.
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  Speaker 1: And that brings us to the actual violence of the scene,
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  Speaker 1: which is just stark and brutal. As the crime scene
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  Speaker 1: investigators secure the perimeter, they note blood on the ground
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  Speaker 1: next to the rear driver's side passenger door.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: There is blood on the exterior of the driver's side
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  Speaker 1: door and blood on the interior.
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  Speaker 2: And the location of the blood evidence, specifically the spatter pattern...
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  Speaker 2: It tells a story of proximity. The perpetrator wasn't firing
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  Speaker 2: from a distance.
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  Speaker 1: They were right there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were standing right there directly at the driver's
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  Speaker 2: side door, firing straight into the vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: The report also mentions finding what appeared to be the
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  Speaker 1: victim's hair on the driver's side door covered in blood.
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  Speaker 1: And outside the vehicle, on the ground near that rear
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  Speaker 1: driver's side passenger door, they find a single 9mm shell casing.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, a single casing is a massive clue
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  Speaker 2: for police.
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  Speaker 1: Why is that? Just because it's only one.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It implies a highly precise targeted act of violence.
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  Speaker 2: This wasn't a chaotic spray of bullets from someone panicking
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  Speaker 2: or doing a drive-by. It was a single fatal shot
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  Speaker 2: delivered at incredibly close range to a victim who had
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  Speaker 2: her guard completely down.
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  Speaker 1: But then you contrast this horrific intimate violence with what
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  Speaker 1: was completely untouched inside the car. And this is where
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  Speaker 1: the motive starts to narrow dramatically for them.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: The police look inside this running car. What do they see?
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  Speaker 1: A small purse is sitting right there on the front
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  Speaker 1: passenger floorboard. A wallet is present.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And most tellingly, there is a purple cellular device, Kaylin's phone,
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  Speaker 1: resting right between her legs.
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  Speaker 2: The totality of the scene just definitively ruled out robbery entirely.
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  Speaker 1: Because everything of value was still there.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Think about the basic psychology of a mugger or
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  Speaker 2: a thief. The primary goal is financial gain. If an
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  Speaker 2: individual is willing to commit the ultimate crime of murder
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  Speaker 2: to facilitate a robbery, they are absolutely going to take
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  Speaker 2: the purse, the wallet, and the smartphone sitting in plain sight.
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  Speaker 1: Especially the phone sitting right between her legs. Right. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it means the killer had a direct, unobstructed view of
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  Speaker 1: it when they were standing at the window. They just
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  Speaker 1: didn't care about it.
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  Speaker 2: Because the killer's objective was not acquisition. The killer's objective
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  Speaker 2: was termination. Wow. They wanted Kaylin dead and nothing else mattered.
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  Speaker 2: Not the car, not the money, not the electronics. This
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  Speaker 2: was a targeted execution of an 18-year-old girl who was
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  Speaker 2: sitting comfortably waiting for an acquaintance.
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  Speaker 1: So the physical evidence has essentially drawn a tight circle
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  Speaker 1: around the suspect pool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a stranger. It's someone she knew, someone she
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  Speaker 1: was planning to meet. But how do you find out
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  Speaker 1: who an 18-year-old is secretly meeting in a park at midnight? Like,
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  Speaker 1: the physical car can't tell you a name. The shell
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  Speaker 1: casing can't tell your name.
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  Speaker 2: No, they can't. But the people in her life can.
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  Speaker 2: And this is where the narrative really pivots from the silent,
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  Speaker 2: static physical evidence to the chaotic emotional reality of the
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  Speaker 2: people left behind.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So we have this quiet, grim crime scene. The
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  Speaker 1: police are securing the area, taking notes, photographing the shell casing.
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  Speaker 1: And then around 1 a.m., roughly an hour after the discovery,
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  Speaker 1: the scene is suddenly interrupted.
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  Speaker 2: A young woman arrives at Coastline Park and she is
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  Speaker 2: just frantic.
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  Speaker 1: This is Simone, one of Kaylin's best friends. I view
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  Speaker 1: Simone's arrival kind of like a chemical catalyst, honestly.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good way to put it.
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  Speaker 1: You have this completely dormant, silent crime scene. And the
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  Speaker 1: moment she arrives, she causes this immediate explosive chain reaction
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  Speaker 1: that gives the police a direct vector to the killer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she changed everything.
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  Speaker 1: She rushes to the scene so fast that she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: even have her identification on her. When the investigator asks
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  Speaker 1: for her ID, she says, I don't have it on
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  Speaker 1: me because I just rushed out the house because I
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  Speaker 1: just felt something was off.
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  Speaker 2: That phrase, I just felt something was off, is a
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  Speaker 2: powerful testament to human intuition. Especially in the context of
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  Speaker 2: the hyper-connected digital web of Gen Z.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. They were always talking.
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  Speaker 2: Right. These young adults are in constant digital contact. When
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  Speaker 2: that rhythm is broken, when a text is left on read,
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  Speaker 2: or a location stops updating on their map, the internal
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  Speaker 2: alarm bells ring much faster than they might have in
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  Speaker 2: previous generations.
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  Speaker 1: And the investigator on the scene does a fantastic job
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  Speaker 1: of managing her panic. You can hear it in the transcript.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's telling her to take a deep breath,
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  Speaker 1: telling her that everything she shares is going to be
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  Speaker 1: incredibly useful. He asked for a timeline. When was the
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  Speaker 1: last time she spoke to Kalen?
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  Speaker 2: And Simone is incredibly precise. She says the last time
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  Speaker 2: they spoke was at 7.08 p.m. that very evening.
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  Speaker 1: And then she drops the bombshell. Caitlin was not at
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  Speaker 1: Coastline Park by random chance to get some fresh air.
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  Speaker 1: She was there for a very specific reason. She was
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  Speaker 1: there to meet baby daddy number two.
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  Speaker 2: And that phrasing immediately alerts the detectives that they are
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  Speaker 2: stepping into a highly complex web of interpersonal relationships.
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  Speaker 1: Let's carefully outline this family dynamic because it is crucial
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  Speaker 1: to understanding the immense psychological pressures that we're building up
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  Speaker 1: to this moment.
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  Speaker 2: It's very complicated.
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  Speaker 1: It is. And we want to make sure you, the listener,
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  Speaker 1: can follow all the threads here. Kaylin, at 18 years old,
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  Speaker 1: already had one child. She had a toddler son.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And according to Simone, earlier that evening, Kaylin had
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  Speaker 2: gone to drop off her older son at the home
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  Speaker 2: of her first child's father.
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  Speaker 1: So her toddler son is safely with his father. But
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  Speaker 1: Kaylin herself is currently 13 weeks pregnant. She is nearing
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  Speaker 1: the end of her first trimester. And this pregnancy is
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  Speaker 1: with an entirely different man.
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  Speaker 2: This is the man Simone refers to as baby daddy
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  Speaker 2: number two, a man named Donovan Faison.
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  Speaker 1: But Donovan's life is equally, if not more, complicated. Donovan
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  Speaker 1: isn't just a single guy who got a girl pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all. Donovan is in a separate, established relationship.
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  Speaker 2: He has a live-in girlfriend named Sierra.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the crazy part.
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  Speaker 2: Right. To amplify the tension exponentially, Donovan and Sierra have
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  Speaker 2: literally just had a baby of their own. They have
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  Speaker 2: a two-week-old newborn at home.
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  Speaker 1: Just think about the sheer weight of that reality for
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  Speaker 1: a second. You have an 18-year-old girl, already a mother,
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  Speaker 1: who is now 13 weeks pregnant by a man who
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  Speaker 1: literally just welcomed a newborn with his actual girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: The stress of that is just.
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  Speaker 1: The amount of stress, secrecy, and potential for conflict in
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  Speaker 1: that dynamic is staggering.
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  Speaker 2: It is a psychological powder keg. For Donovan, Kaylin's pregnancy
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  Speaker 2: isn't just an inconvenience, you know. It is a massive problem.
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  Speaker 2: life-altering threat to the domestic life he is currently building
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  Speaker 2: with his girlfriend and their newborn.
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  Speaker 1: Everything he has is threatened.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It threatens his primary relationship, his finances, his reputation,
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  Speaker 2: his entire status quo. The pressure on a young, reluctant
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  Speaker 2: father in that specific scenario is immense.
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  Speaker 1: And Simone knows all of this. She is the ultimate confidant.
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  Speaker 1: She reveals the prelude to this tragic meeting. She tells
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  Speaker 1: police about an Instagram exchange that happened on November 10th.
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  Speaker 1: The day prior to the murder.
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  Speaker 2: And it's important to note the medium here. Teenagers and
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  Speaker 2: young adults today rarely communicate via direct phone calls or
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  Speaker 2: even standard text messages unless it's urgent. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It's all apps.
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  Speaker 2: So much of their communication, especially secretive communication, is facilitated
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  Speaker 2: through social media platforms like Instagram direct messages or Snapchat. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So Donovan, using an Instagram handle called Global Kids, sends
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  Speaker 1: a message to Kaylin. It says, just want to talk.
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  Speaker 2: A seemingly innocuous phrase on the surface, but absolutely loaded
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  Speaker 2: with subtext given their situation.
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  Speaker 1: And Kaylin's reply really shows her hesitation. She writes back,
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  Speaker 1: we can talk. I'm just not arguing with you.
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  Speaker 2: She knew.
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  Speaker 1: She knows exactly what the topic of the conversation is
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  Speaker 1: going to be. She knows it's going to be tense.
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  Speaker 1: She's anticipating an argument, obviously, about the pregnancy.
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  Speaker 2: What's truly tragic is that Simone, acting with incredible foresight,
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  Speaker 2: actually warned Kaylin against this meeting.
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  Speaker 1: She tried to stop her.
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  Speaker 2: She did. Simone told the detectives that she felt Donovan
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  Speaker 2: didn't explicitly insist on meeting in person, but Kaylin decided
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  Speaker 2: she was just going to go meet him to get
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  Speaker 2: it over with. Simone actively tried to talk her out
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  Speaker 2: of it, suggesting, no, Kaylin, I think you should just
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  Speaker 2: call him. Like, I think y'all should just talk over
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  Speaker 2: the phone.
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  Speaker 1: It's that protective instinct.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Simone knew the volatility of the situation, but Kaylin, perhaps
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  Speaker 1: wanting to resolve the tension or perhaps trusting someone she
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  Speaker 1: had been intimately involved with, decided to go anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And because she went, and crucially, because she told Simone
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  Speaker 1: her exact plans, the police now have a direct vector,
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  Speaker 1: a bullseye, on the back of Donovan Faison.
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  Speaker 2: So Simone gave them the name, but having a name
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  Speaker 2: and proving a murder are two entirely different things. Right.
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  Speaker 2: The detective needed to see how Donovan would react when confronted.
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  Speaker 2: They needed to establish a baseline for his behavior and
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  Speaker 2: see if his story held any water. This led the
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  Speaker 2: detective straight to his apartments.
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  Speaker 1: We are now jumping ahead a few days to November 16, 2022.
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  Speaker 1: Detectives have Donovan's name. They know his address at an
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  Speaker 1: apartment complex called The Meadows isn't far from the crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: And they are ready to talk.
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  Speaker 2: And this is where the transcript provides one of the
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  Speaker 2: most bizarre, psychologically revealing interactions I have ever seen in
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  Speaker 2: an investigation of this magnitude.
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  Speaker 1: It is incredibly strange. The detectives knock on the door
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  Speaker 1: and they interrupt Donovan right in the middle of a
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  Speaker 1: very private moment. He is literally on the toilet.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And the way he reacts to this is just wild.
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  Speaker 1: The detectives ask him to step outside to talk. They
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  Speaker 1: want to get him away from the apartment, away from
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  Speaker 1: his girlfriend, Sierra, to speak in private.
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  Speaker 2: Make him comfortable, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. They offer to let him sit in an unmarked
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  Speaker 1: squad car where the AC is running, where it's comfortable,
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  Speaker 1: and where neighbors won't see him and take pictures. But
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  Speaker 1: Donovan is obsessively focused on one extremely mundane detail.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, his bathroom trip.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. He repeatedly complains about the inconvenience of not
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  Speaker 1: being able to finish his business in the bathroom. He
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  Speaker 1: literally says to the cops, I ain't even get to
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  Speaker 1: wipe my butt. I'm so serious. And later, sitting in
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  Speaker 1: the squad car, he brings it up again. I really
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  Speaker 1: want to wipe my butt. I was right on the toilet.
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  Speaker 1: I really just wanted to wipe.
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  Speaker 2: As a psychological analyst, I find this behavior incredibly telling.
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  Speaker 2: We look at cognitive load and how people manage stress.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Why fixate on bathroom habits when armed homicide detectives are
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: at your door asking about a murdered pregnant woman whom
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: you are intimately connected to? It is a classic defense mechanism.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: It's a form of psychological shielding.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, wait. I have to push back on this a
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: little bit. Is it always some deep psychological shield?
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Couldn't he just literally be a teenager who is highly
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: annoyed and feeling incredibly gross about being pulled off the toilets? Like,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: how do investigators differentiate between a calculated defense mechanism and
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: just a teenager being naive or lacking social grace?
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: That is a completely fair question, and it's something interrogators
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: have to weigh carefully. You look for proportionality. Yes, a
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: teenager might genuinely be annoyed, but when the topic shifts
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: from I was on the toilet to a young woman
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: you know was executed in a park, A normal, innocent person, Drain,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: will immediately drop the minor grievance because the sheer terror
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: and shock of the murder overrides everything else.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: They realize it's serious.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Exactly. There are adrenaline spikes. They ask questions like, what happened?
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Is she okay? Who did this?
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: They match the gravity of the situation.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But Donovan doesn't match the gravity. By focusing so
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: intensely and repeatedly on the indignity of being pulled off
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: the toilet, even after he knows why they are there...
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: He is attempting to project extreme normalcy.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: He is trying to signal to the detectives, look at me,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I'm just a regular, unbothered guy whose peaceful morning was
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: rudely interrupted by you. I'm not a cold-blooded killer. I'm
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: just a guy who wants to use the restroom in peace.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: It distracts from the accusations.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: He's trying to control the narrative by anchoring it to
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: a petty grievance, like complaining about a hangnail while the
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: ship is actively sinking.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Precisely. If he were acting terrified or overly defensive about
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: the murder right out of the gate, it would look suspicious.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: But acting annoyed about a bodily function? That feels authentic
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: to a teenager. It is an attempt to manipulate the
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: detectives into seeing him as a harmless, inconvenienced kid rather
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: than a suspect capable of extreme violence.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Wow. But once they actually get him settled in the
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: back of the squad car... The real interrogation begins, and
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: we get to see the detective's strategy at play here,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: which is fascinating.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: They handle it very well.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: They do. The detective is very soft-spoken, very accommodating, and
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Donovan immediately starts employing a strategy of minimization. He says
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: people have been putting his name out there regarding the
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: girl found in the park, and he wants to clear
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: it up.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: And notice how he describes his relationship with Kaylin. The
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: detective asks him to describe the nature of their connection.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Donovan doesn't call her a friend. He doesn't call her
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: a girlfriend. He minimizes her humanity and their bond by
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: calling it, quote, a little sex relationship.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: A little sex relationship. It completely strips away any emotional weight. Yeah.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: He is verbally distancing himself from her.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: It's his linguistic devaluation. If she was just a little
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: sex relationship, then in his narrative, he has no deep
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: emotional ties to her and therefore no deep emotional motive
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: to harm her.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: He claims his superficial relationship ended emotionally. months ago, back
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: in August. And the reason he gives is quite modern.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: TikTok, right. Yeah.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: He claims his living girlfriend, Ciara, found out about him
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and Kalen because of TikTok. He says a friend saw
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: something on TikTok and told Ciara, which caused a huge argument.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Ciara temporarily moved out. And that was the end of
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: his flings with Kalen.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: He is deliberately building a timeline that separates him from
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: the victim by a span of months. He explicitly states
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: he hasn't seen Kalen since early October and pushing their
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: last contact weeks away from the night of the murder.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: And when asked directly if he was supposed to meet
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: her at Coastline Park on the night of Friday, November 11th,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: his denial is absolute. He says, no, I wasn't supposed
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: to meet up with her. I wasn't supposed to do
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: nothing with her. We didn't have no conversation of meeting up. Nothing.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: And this is exactly what the detective wanted. This is
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: a classic interrogation technique. You don't walk in and slam
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: evidence on the table.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: You let them talk.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: You build rapport, you let the suspect feel comfortable, and
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: you let them lock themselves into a rigid story. Once
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: a suspect locks themselves into a definitive statement like, I
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: haven't talked to her since October, you have them right
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: where you want them.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Because now they have to provide an alibi for the
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: night of the murder.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Exactly. If you weren't at the park, where were you?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: So Donovan provides a very detailed, fabricated alibi. He claims
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: he was working that Friday. He says he worked at
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: a place he calls The Berry from about 10 a.m.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: until maybe 5 p.m. Okay. Then he says he went
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: to visit his mom in the Goldsboro community for an
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: hour or two. He claims he was back home at
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: his apartment by 8.30 p.m. And what was he doing
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: for the rest of the night during the exact window
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: when Kalen was sitting in that idling Nissan?
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Playing the good dad? Yes.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Donovan claims he was playing the role of the dutiful father.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: He says his girlfriend, Sierra, was picked up by a
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: friend and they went out to a club in Orlando.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: So Donovan claims he was home all night babysitting his
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: two-week-old daughter.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: It is the perfect alibi for someone trying to distance
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: themselves from a violent crime against a pregnant woman. He
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: is painting a picture of himself not as a killer,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: but as a responsible young dad sitting at home alone
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: with an infant while his partner enjoys a night out.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: It's almost too perfect.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: He is an answer for everything. He claims he voluntarily
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: came out to talk because people were throwing his name
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: around and he just wants to set the record straight.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting, though, because the detective,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: having given Donovan all the rope he needs, lays a
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: very soft, very brilliant trap.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: The digital trap. Yes.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: The detective essentially says, OK, if you haven't talked to
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: her since October and you never made plans to meet her,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: would you be willing to show us the last time
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: you talked to her on your phone through Instagram direct messages?
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: It is the ultimate test of his alibi. If his
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: story is true, his phone will corroborate it. It will
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: show a dead conversation ending in early October.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: But Donovan can't show the phone. He admits that he
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: deleted all of his messages with Kaylin.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Of course he did.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: He tries to play it off casually, saying, oh, I've
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: been deleted those probably like whenever last time I stopped
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: talking to her. He claims he deleted them because his
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: girlfriend would get mad if she saw he still had
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Kaylin on his phone.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: This is a critical error on Donovan's part. And it
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: highlights a fundamental misunderstanding that so many criminals have about
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: how digital footprints work in the modern era.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's gone.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Right. He believes that deleting the messages on his physical device,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: his local iPhone, erases the historical fact of the conversation entirely.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: He thinks his phone is the only record. But the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: detective knows they already have Kalen's phone from the crime scene.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: The detective even points this out, almost playing dumb, saying...
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: So if we're to look through her phone then, since
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: you deleted yours, I'm not going to see in her
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: direct messages that you recently talked to her. It's going
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: to show a long time ago because you know we
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: have her phone.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Setting the trap.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And Donovan, thinking he's safe, confidently agrees, saying you shouldn't
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: see me in her messaging.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: By deleting his side of the conversation and lying about it,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: he has inadvertently proven his consciousness of guilt. If the
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: relationship truly ended innocently in October, there is absolutely no
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: need to actively purge the data and then lie to
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: a homicide detective about recent communications. The act of digital
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: erasure was his fatal mistake.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Donovan is sitting in that squad car, entirely confident that
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: because he pressed delete on his iPhone, he has outsmarted
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the Sanford Police Department. But what he doesn't realize is
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: that deleting data on a single device doesn't erase it
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: from the server's, It doesn't erase it from the victim's iCloud,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: and it certainly doesn't erase it from the memories of
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the people Kalen confided in.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Let's actually do a quick dive into how this digital
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: forensics process works because it's crucial to understanding how his
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: alibi fell apart. When you send an Instagram message or
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: an iMessage, it doesn't just magically fly through the air
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: directly to the other person's phone. Right.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: It's not a walkie-talkie.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Exactly. You are sending a packet of data from your
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: device to your local cell tower and through your internet
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: service provider to a massive server farm owned by Meta
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: or Apple, which then routes it to the recipient's device.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: When Donovan hits delete on his phone, he is only
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: deleting the local copy stored on his phone's flash memory.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: It's just a cosmetic change on his screen.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Yes. The data still exists on Meta's servers, and more importantly,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: it still exists on Kaylin's device and in her iCloud backups.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: So to get that data, the police don't just look
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: at his empty phone screen. They execute search warrants.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: They file legal subpoenas and search warrants directly to the
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: tech companies. They use forensic extraction tools, software like Celebrate,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: to pull the physical memory from Kaylin's phone found in
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the car. They reconstruct the deleted pathways. It takes time,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: but it is effectively permanent.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: And while the digital forensics teams are working on that
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: data extraction, the ground detectives begin to pull the threads
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: of Kaylin's life, speaking to her inner circle.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Working the human angle.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Exactly. They start interviewing her close friends, specifically two young
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: women identified in court documents as LRA and Miramar. And
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: their testimonies completely shattered Donovan's narrative that this was just
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: a casual fling that ended peacefully in August.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: According to those documents, LRA tells detectives that way back
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: on September 14th, Kalen explicitly told Donovan she was pregnant
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: with his baby.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: And Donovan's immediate visceral response, one word, abortion.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Merrimar corroborates this entirely. She tells police that Donovan kept
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: pressuring Kalen, repeatedly telling her to have an abortion once
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: he found out about the pregnancy.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: So the friction wasn't just some silly TikTok runner in August.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: It was an ongoing, escalating conflict over a pregnancy he
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: desperately did not want.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: It was building up.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: And the timeline tightens even further. LRA tells police that
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: she actually spoke with Kalen on November 11th, the very
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: day of the murder, while LRA was on her way
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: to Tallahassee. And during that conversation, Kalen confirmed she was
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: absolutely going to meet with Donovan later that day.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: So we have Simone and LRA, two separate independent witnesses,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: confirming the appointment that Donovan vehemently denied ever making.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: But the conflict reached an absolute boiling point just days
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: before the murder. And it revolves around a very specific
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: piece of medical imaging. Kalen went to the doctor and
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: got an ultrasound.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, an ultrasound
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: changes the psychological landscape of a pregnancy dramatically, especially for
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: a reluctant father.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: How so? I mean, he already knew she was pregnant, right?
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Why is the ultrasound the tipping point?
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: He knew. But before the ultrasound, a pregnancy can feel
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: like an abstract concept to a man who isn't experiencing
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: the physical changes. It's a missed period. It's a positive
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: test on a plastic stick. It is something that can
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: be argued against, ignored, or intellectually compartmentalized. Right. But an
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: ultrasound is visual proof. It is a literal photograph of
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: a reality. It transitions the situation from a maybe to
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: a definitely.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Makes it undeniable.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Exactly. For Donovan, who has a two-week-old infant at home
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: with his girlfriend, that ultrasound was not a moment of joy.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: It was a tangible, undeniable threat to his entire existence.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: And the situation escalated drastically because it wasn't just a
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: secret between him and Kaylin anymore. Right.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Because the friends revealed to the police... that the day
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Kalen got the ultrasound, she didn't just tell Donovan. She
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: actually reached out and told Donovan's girlfriend, Sierra, that she
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: was pregnant. This happened just a few days prior to
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: the homicide.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: So the absolute worst case scenario for Donovan has just
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: materialized in real time. His secret is out. His girlfriend knows.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: His domestic peace is completely shattered. The pressure cooker isn't
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: just whistling, you know. It's ready to blow.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: And this intense boiling pressure is captured forever in that
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: digital graveyard we talked about. Fast forward to December 7th, 2022.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: The detectives finally get the massive data pulls back from
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: the tech companies regarding Donovan's phone records.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: The big reveal.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: And what they find is the definitive smoking gun. They
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: find text messages between Donovan and a friend identified as
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Woody from November 8th.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: November 8th. Just three days before Kaylin is found dead
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: in her car.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Let's walk through this text exchange because it is chilling.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Donovan texts Woody. Brajo just sent me a photo of
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the black and white baby at the doctor's.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: The black and white baby. He is clearly referring to
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: the ultrasound image.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Woody responds with a simple, shocked no. And Donovan's reply
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: is the phrase that seals his fate. He texts back,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: she got to get cropped out on bro.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Cropped out?
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I want to spend some real time on this phrasing,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: cropped out. Oh. In the entire history of true crime,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever heard a phrase cropped
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: So distinctly modern and so utterly dehumanizing.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: It is horrifying precisely because of how casual and technological
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: it is. Think about what it actually means to crop
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: a photo on your phone. You take an image, you
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: select the part you want to keep, and you literally
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: delete the unwanted edges.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: You remove the inconvenient parts of the picture to make
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: the image perfect for yourself.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: He is looking at his life as a photograph. Yeah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: He has his girlfriend, Sierra, his new baby, his apartment.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: That's the picture he wants. And Kaylin and her unborn
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: child are standing on the edge of the frame, ruining
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the aesthetic. Wow, man. So his solution isn't to take
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: responsibility or to have a difficult conversation or to figure
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: out child support. His solution is to treat a human
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: being like a collection of unwanted pixels. Just highlight, crop,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and delete.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: It demonstrates a profound lack of empathy. It reduces murder
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: to a clerical task. He isn't talking about ending a life.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: He's talking about editing a problem out of his reality.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: And this wasn't just idle talk. The digital rage was
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: accompanied by physical rage. The data pull shows Donovan swearing
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: on his brother's grave to Woody that he is going
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to crop her out and that he is not sparing anything.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: He was committed.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: He is literally making a blood oath via text message
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: to commit murder.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: He also indicates to his friend how physically angry this
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: ultrasound made him. He admits in the text that he
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: was so furious he punched a hole in a wall.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: And here is where the police work is just phenomenal.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: When detectives executed the residential search warrant at Donovan's apartment
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: in the meadows, what did they find?
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: A hole in the wall.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: A physical hole in the drywall that perfectly corroborated the
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: digital confession. Every single piece of his lie has been dismantled.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: The physical evidence of the car rules out robbery. The
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: friends provide the motive and the timeline. The deleted messages
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: prove his deception. And the iCloud data pool provides a
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: literal written confession of premeditated intent corroborated by a hole
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: punched in his apartment wall.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: They have everything they need. The motive, the means, the
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: opportunity and the confession.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Which brings us to a massive glaring question as we
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: transition into the legal fallout of this case. If I'm
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: listening to this and I hear that police had these
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: text messages, the cropped out text, the hole in the wall,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the clear motive by December 7th, 2022. A logical person
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: would expect Donovan to be in handcuffs by December 8th.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. It seems like an open and shut
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: case to the general public.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Right. But he wasn't. Donovan Faison was not arrested until
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: August 29th, 2023. That is nearly nine months after the
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: data poll. Nine months after they read him swearing on
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: his brother's grave to kill her. Why? Why such a massive,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: agonizing delay when they had the texts and the motive?
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: It is one of the most frustrating aspects of the
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: justice system for the public to understand, but it is
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: absolutely vital when you are dealing with capital murder.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Because of the stakes. Right.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Homicide investigations, particularly those where the death penalty is on
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the table, operate on an entirely different timeline and standard
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: of proof.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Because the stakes are absolute.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Precisely. In a capital case, the state is asking for
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: the legal authority to end a citizen's life. The burden
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: of proof is astronomical. Having a text message that says
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: she got to get cropped out is incredibly damning. It
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: is a huge piece of the puzzle. But on its own,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: a skilled defense attorney can argue it.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: How do you argue that? It literally says he's going
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: to crop her out.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: A defense attorney would stand in front of a jury
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: and say, ladies and gentlemen, my client is a teenager
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: who uses slang. Cropped out just meant he was going
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: to block her on social media. It meant he was
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: going to cut her out of his life digitally, not physically.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: The text is just teenage bravado. Empty venting to a
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: friend because he was stressed.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Ah, I see. So the police can't just rely on
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the text as a standalone confession. They have to make
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: sure there was no alternative explanation that a jury could
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: possibly believe.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Exactly. They needed those nine months to make the case
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: completely bulletproof. They had to move past circumstantial hearsay. And
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: a huge part of that was forensically destroying his alibi
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: using cell tower location data.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Let's break that down because cell phone pinging is something
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: we hear about on TV all the time. But how
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: does it actually work to prove he wasn't at home babysitting?
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Is it like a GPS dot on a map?
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Not exactly. When your cell phone is turned on, even
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: if you aren't making a call, it is constantly shaking
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: hands with the nearest cell towers to ensure you have
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: a signal. Cell towers have different sectors or antennas pointing
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: in different directions.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: By looking at the historical records from the cellular provider,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: investigators can see exactly which tower and which specific sector
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: of that tower Donovan's phone was communicating with during the
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: exact window of the murder.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: So they can triangulate his location?
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Triangulate, or at least establish a highly accurate radius. And
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: when they mapped his cell phone location data on the
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: night of November 11th, it did not show him sitting
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: stationary at his apartment in the meadows babysitting his daughter.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Let me guess.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: It showed his device moving toward Coastline Park. It absolutely
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: destroyed his alibi.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: So over those nine months, they mapped the cell data,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: They re-interviewed witnesses, they secured the ballistics from the single
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: 9mm casing, and they ensured that every single legal threshold
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: for premeditation was met. They couldn't just prove he was angry.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: They had to prove he planned it, went to the park,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: pulled the trigger, and went home.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: And rushing an arrest before the entire prosecutorial package is
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: ready can lead to disaster. It can lead to technicalities,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: suppressed evidence, or even acquittals if the defense finds a
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: gap in the timeline. The prosecution waited until the cage
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: was completely forensically inescapable before they closed the door.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: And when they finally closed it on August 29, 2023,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the charges reflected the true horror of the crime. Initially,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: he was arrested on two counts of felony homicide, one
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: for Kaylin and one for her unborn child. Right. But
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: as the case built, those charges were upgraded to reflect
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the deliberate, calculated nature of the act. Fast forward to
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the trial, which took place in October of 2025 in
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Seminole County.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: A capital murder trial is an exhaustive process. The prosecution
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: laid out the timeline, the friend's testimonies, the cell tower
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: data proving he lied about his alibi, the ultrasound, and
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: the chilling, cropped-out text.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: And the jury does not hesitate. They find Donovan Faison
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: guilty on all counts. Let's look at these specific charges.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: First-degree premeditated murder with a firearm, killing an unborn child
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: by injury to the mother with a firearm, and burglary
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: of a conveyance with an assault Or battery with a firearm.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: A burglary charge often confuses people.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wait, I need you to explain that last one.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Burglary usually means breaking into a house to steal a TV.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Why is he being charged with burglary if he just
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: walked up and shot through an open car window?
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: It sounds counterintuitive, but it comes down to the legal
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: definition of a conveyance and a threshold. In Florida law,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: a conveyance includes a motor vehicle. Burglary doesn't just mean stealing.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: It means entering a dwelling or conveyance with the intent
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: to commit an offense therein.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: But the window was rolled down. He didn't break a
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: window or pick a lock.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: He didn't have to. The threshold of the vehicle is
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: the invisible plane created by the window frame. The moment
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Donovan reached his hand or the barrel of the firearm
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: past that invisible plane and into the interior cabin of
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Kaylin's car to shoot her, he legally entered the conveyance.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Because he entered it to commit a battery, the shooting,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: it constitutes burglary of a conveyance with a battery. It
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: is an incredibly severe charge that adds massive weight to
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: the sentencing.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: That makes so much sense. So the jury found him guilty,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: but the trial wasn't over. Because of the severity of
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: a double homicide involving an unborn child, Donovan faced the
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: ultimate consequence in the state of Florida.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: The penalty phase. This is where the jury hears aggravating factors,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: reasons why the crime warrants death, such as it being cold, calculated,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: and premeditated. versus mitigating factors, which are reasons the defense
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: offers to spare his life, like his age or background.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: On October 30th, 2025, the jury deliberated on his fate.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: And in an 11 to 1 vote, they recommended the
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: death penalty. A few weeks later, on December 5th, 2025,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Judge Donna Gerner made it official. She sentenced Donovan Faison
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: to death. Today, online court records show he is incarcerated
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: at the Union Correctional Institution in Rayford, Florida, Sitting on
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: death row. So what does this all mean?
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: It means that a calculated attempt to violently erase a
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: perceived problem resulted in the ultimate permanent loss of freedom
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: and eventually life for the perpetrator.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: It is a devastating journey we've just been on. We've
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: unpacked the tragic death of an 18-year-old girl, Caitlin Fianna,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: whose life was cut short just as she was entering
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: a new chapter. But we also saw how her own actions,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: her foresight to share her exact location and her plans
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: with her best friend, planted the seeds for justice.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: We saw how the undeniable intuition of a friend like Simone,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: who rushed into the dark without her ID just because
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: she felt something was wrong, acted as the catalyst that
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: guided the police straight to the truth.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: And crucially, we saw how the permanence of digital data,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: the massive cloud infrastructure that records our every keystroke and
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: pings our every location, ensured that a killer could not
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: simply delete his guilt.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: It brings us to a final lingering thought for you
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: to mull over today. Mm-hmm. There is a profound, almost
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Shakespearean irony to the modern digital age, perfectly illustrated by
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Donovan Faison. For sure. He believed he was in total control.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: He believed he was the editor of his own life.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: He thought he could literally crop out a human being,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: a young mother, and his own unborn child, and then
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: simply press delete on his text messages to wipe the
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: slate clean.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: He thought he could outsmart the justice system by erasing
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: the local file on his phone, completely ignorant of the
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: digital web he was leaving behind.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: But in attempting to digitally erase his secret, in his
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: frantic effort to delete the evidence of his motive, he
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: actually offered his own permanent, indestructible confession. The very technology
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: he used to plan and hide his crime is what
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: convicted him. It forces us to ask a really heavy question.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: In an era where every keystroke is archived in the cloud,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: where your location is pinged by towers every second of
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: the day, and where your deleted thoughts are stored on
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: servers thousands of miles away, is the concept of a
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: perfect crime completely extinct.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: It is a chilling question, and one that potential criminals
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: clearly fail to comprehend until the cell door locks behind them.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us on this deep dive.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: We love unpacking these complexities with you. Keep questioning the
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: world around you, keep looking past the obvious, and we
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: will catch you next time as we dive into the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: next puzzle.