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Monday Mini: We Wrote a Book! · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane
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Speaker 1: Never Told You, a protection of iHeartRadio. And for this
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Speaker 1: a Monday, many, Samantha and I wanted to talk about
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Speaker 1: a big event, make a loud noise. It has been
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Speaker 1: a part of our lives for a while now. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we've hinted at it. We announced it in our recent
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Speaker 1: book club, but we wrote a book we did. It
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Speaker 1: is called Stuff I Never Told You The Feminist Past,
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Speaker 1: Present and Future. It comes out on August twenty ninth.
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Speaker 1: You can pre order it at stuff you Should Read
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Speaker 1: books dot com. You can also see an excerpt from
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Speaker 1: it with some wonderful illustrations. We'll talk about that more
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Speaker 1: in a second, and you can also find the cover
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Speaker 1: announcement and a linked pre order on our social media's,
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Speaker 1: So go check that out if you haven't already. But
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Speaker 1: we wanted today to kind of talk about talk about it,
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Speaker 1: talk about this, yeah, because it has been a part
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Speaker 1: of our lives that we kind of weren't supposed to
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Speaker 1: talk about on the show right for a while. But
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Speaker 1: it has been a just for me at least, like
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Speaker 1: a very big part of I passed, Like I guess
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Speaker 1: nine months I don't know. I mean it's longer than that,
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Speaker 1: but for like really hit the ground running nine months, right.
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Speaker 1: We wrote that book in like six months though, I know,
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Speaker 1: which was incredibly daunting on top of a full time job. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was a lot. It was. Yeah, I would say
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Speaker 1: that we've been talking about doing this book since I
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Speaker 1: actually signed on. Even before I signed my contract to
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Speaker 1: be full time, the book discussion had happened and we
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Speaker 1: were like, Okay, we wait, we wait, we wait, must
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Speaker 1: write today. Literally the process and thank god, we had
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Speaker 1: at some great book like brainstorming between any and I.
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Speaker 1: He's even joined us at one point, talking with us
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Speaker 1: and helping us through the writing process at the very
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Speaker 1: beginning when she was our executive producer. But yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: been it's been a long time coming. It's a little
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Speaker 1: outdated already. Apologies for that, because yeah, it was written
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. We had everything done and it
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Speaker 1: went into editing process all of twenty twenty two, and
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Speaker 1: now we're at the finalization mode and now being able
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Speaker 1: to talk about it. We've got an amazing team with
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Speaker 1: Flat Iron. They have a great crew of people, mainly
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Speaker 1: of women, so that was delightful. To see. We were
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Speaker 1: in the hands of these amazing women as well as
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Speaker 1: our people who helped us, whether it was our editor
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Speaker 1: slash advocate slash ghostwriter as well as our illustrator. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and we're going to be talking more about them in
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Speaker 1: a second, because they this would not have happened at
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Speaker 1: all without them. Oh, there was a lot of hurry
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Speaker 1: up and wait with this, which is always a stressful thing.
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Speaker 1: And as you might know if you listen to the show,
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Speaker 1: Samantha and I are both prone to stress. We'll say understatement, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so it has been stressful. But we were very very fortunate,
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Speaker 1: very very lucky to have this opportunity to work with
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Speaker 1: the people we did work with. But for kind of
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Speaker 1: a basic layout, a lot of this was you, Samantha,
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Speaker 1: A lot of it was your idea, but we chose
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Speaker 1: like there's thirteen chapters, but I'm pretty sure sure we
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Speaker 1: chose like ten topics like abortion or reproductive rights and
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Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus rights, both of which are probably going to
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Speaker 1: be the most outdated by the time it comes out
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Speaker 1: Civil rights, but also things like athletics, dress code, all
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Speaker 1: kinds of staff where we kind of talked about why
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Speaker 1: it was important we looked at the history of it,
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Speaker 1: we looked at the future of it, and we talked
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Speaker 1: about why it mattered to us personally. Also a ray
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Speaker 1: Kit chapter and shout out to Renee Shelby, who we
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Speaker 1: had on our show when you first started, so we
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Speaker 1: have then, who was amazing. We used so much of
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Speaker 1: her research in that, and it has these fictional women interludes,
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Speaker 1: which were also your idea. Were some of my favorite
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Speaker 1: things where I got to write about like why this
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Speaker 1: character matters and the tropes behind them and all that stuff.
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Speaker 1: And that's what you can see if you go look
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Speaker 1: at the excerpt that's up right now on the website
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Speaker 1: on stuff you should read books dot com. But there
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Speaker 1: was this really really cool graphic novel Elements that you
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Speaker 1: were a big proponent of and I'm one hundred percent
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Speaker 1: behind you, and I was so glad that you pushed
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Speaker 1: it where we got to work with this amazing local artist,
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Speaker 1: Helen Joy and it was a really great collaborative process,
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Speaker 1: but it was also kind of hilarious how amazing she was.
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Speaker 1: Where I would literally be like in this frame, it's
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Speaker 1: a bam. Have you seen Spider Verse? It's like that,
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Speaker 1: But like with tennis and Helen's like, Okay, I can
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Speaker 1: make that happy. Yeah. She was so talented. She used
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Speaker 1: in Atlanta based artists and does so much here and
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Speaker 1: has a beautiful artwork if you can go check her
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Speaker 1: out o. Her last name is Choice Choi And Yeah, actually,
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Speaker 1: our good friend of the show, the creator of our logo, Pam,
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Speaker 1: was the one that linked us to her, which we
5:31
Speaker 1: were so excited to have because of course that was
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Speaker 1: two things that we thought was important. That they are
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Speaker 1: local as well as that they are a feminist but
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Speaker 1: they were part of the marginalists community and that they
5:40
Speaker 1: we are as a crew, because we wanted to be
5:43
Speaker 1: obviously very succincted that we want to practice what we
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Speaker 1: preach in how we produced what we were writing in.
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Speaker 1: Helen was right in that realm, and she did an
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Speaker 1: amazing job communicating with us and letting us know what
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Speaker 1: could and couldn't happen, helping us think through our ideas.
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Speaker 1: She made a really cute guitars of us. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: it's quite funny and I enjoyed every bit of that. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It is one of the coolest parts of the book
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, and it's one of the things that
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Speaker 1: I've kind of like shown people when perhaps I shouldn't
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Speaker 1: have been, like this, look how good it is. The
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Speaker 1: way we did this is Samantha and I split who
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Speaker 1: did what chapter, so they were kind of isolated in
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Speaker 1: that way. And there is a flow throughout for sure,
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Speaker 1: but it was kind of me working on this chapter,
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Speaker 1: Samantha working on this chapter, et cetera. And at least
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Speaker 1: for me, when I was working with Helen, I would
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Speaker 1: write out, this is like probably too long, here's this,
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Speaker 1: and here's the imagery. You know, I'd have links and
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Speaker 1: all this stuff, and I think about it from her,
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Speaker 1: and all she's getting is like kind of my you
7:05
Speaker 1: know what I mean, right, But being able to take
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Speaker 1: that and make it her own and make it this
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Speaker 1: like really beautiful, beautiful piece that was exactly It communicated
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Speaker 1: exactly what I wanted it to and what I needed
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Speaker 1: it too, because it does tell the story that starts
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Speaker 1: a lot of these chapters, and her illustrations are throughout,
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Speaker 1: but it's just like so key to the whole book,
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Speaker 1: like it is, you can't separate it out the illustrations
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Speaker 1: and the rest of it. So I feel so fortunate
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Speaker 1: that we got to work with her and that we
7:41
Speaker 1: got to see like what she made based on kind
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Speaker 1: of our word salads, right, it really was literally for
7:48
Speaker 1: you are way more descriptive because I was like, well,
7:51
Speaker 1: three words maybe because she did an amazing job in
7:56
Speaker 1: cultivating exactly what we needed. She even helped some of
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Speaker 1: our activities because he asked, y'all, you know we love
8:02
Speaker 1: self care, so we added little activities in the book
8:05
Speaker 1: as well, which is kind of funny because I don't
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Speaker 1: know if it's all as accessible as we hoped it
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Speaker 1: would be. Anyway, Yes, there was a lot of complications
8:15
Speaker 1: and tried to iron out what our hopes were versus
8:21
Speaker 1: the reality of it. But yeah, so she did an
8:24
Speaker 1: amazing job in all of those making sure that we
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Speaker 1: had exactly what we pictured, and she even depicted several
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Speaker 1: illustrations of real people and she did an amazing job
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Speaker 1: in that, just taking it like exactly as we would
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Speaker 1: want and putting it in reality in our book, and
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Speaker 1: it's gorgeous. So I'm very excited about that, and yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think it was. What was more fun is that
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Speaker 1: each of us took chapters that was aligned, kind of
8:48
Speaker 1: like how our shows, you know which episode are hours.
8:51
Speaker 1: I think everybody knows that outside of us just saying
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Speaker 1: this is us, we kind of know whose idea or
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Speaker 1: what we wanted to do with these things. And that's
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Speaker 1: exactly how the book turned out too, which is fantastic
9:01
Speaker 1: that we were able to portray our personalities from the
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Speaker 1: podcast into the book as well, but still make it
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Speaker 1: a little bit different than the podcast. Yeah, yeah, it was.
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Speaker 1: It was a difficult ask of how we translate this
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Speaker 1: podcast into a book when we are we talk about everything, right,
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Speaker 1: and feminism is just such a huge topic and you know,
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Speaker 1: there's only so much we can talk about you and
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Speaker 1: I when it comes to feminism, but that we don't
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Speaker 1: want to ignore all the other things, So that that
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Speaker 1: was difficult. And we did want the activities as sort
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Speaker 1: of a like cleanser because a lot of it isn't
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Speaker 1: easy to read. I would say we made it. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's not gonna make you miserable. And we also have
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Speaker 1: warnings at every chapter, just like we did for our shows. Yeah, exactly,
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Speaker 1: kind of those content warnings of like if you're not
9:52
Speaker 1: in the space for this one, this one's like this
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Speaker 1: level of rating. So I think that's important too, But
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Speaker 1: I just remember so fun, like working with Helen and
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Speaker 1: how excited she was to have like just these conversations
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Speaker 1: with us about like how can we portray this the
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Speaker 1: best way? So she was really a highlight and her
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Speaker 1: art was really a highlight in my opinion. Also working
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Speaker 1: with Jane Franzen, who is our yes editor, ghostwriter, handholder advocate,
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Speaker 1: did like all of the things because we didn't we're
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Speaker 1: new to this book world. It was kind of embarrassing
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Speaker 1: and the obvious how little we knew pretty early on
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Speaker 1: when we'd be in meetings with like book people and
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Speaker 1: we'd be like, um, please explain what that abbreviation means.
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Speaker 1: They don't know it. I think that the many many
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Speaker 1: rounds of like trying to stop people and be like, okay, look,
10:51
Speaker 1: we're podcasters, writers, We're gonna have to start from scratch,
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Speaker 1: and whether that's talking about advertising, whether it was talking
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Speaker 1: about la a book, the concrete developments of how these
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Speaker 1: books will be laid out, what costs money, what doesn't
11:05
Speaker 1: cost money, all these things that we have no clue about.
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Speaker 1: It was quite funny to sit there and be like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. And for me, a
11:13
Speaker 1: lot of the times I would pretend like I would
11:15
Speaker 1: know and then come back to Janey and be like yes,
11:17
Speaker 1: they just say to me yes. I would find out
11:23
Speaker 1: later from that you had done that. I love it.
11:27
Speaker 1: It's great. YE will help me because I don't know
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Speaker 1: what that I'm just gonna pretend we don't know. Now.
11:34
Speaker 1: She was fantastic, Like we couldn't have asked for someone better,
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Speaker 1: who just really was able to adapt to like our
11:42
Speaker 1: separate needs right and also was so kind and so
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Speaker 1: patient who kept us on task, who like made sure
11:53
Speaker 1: we got everything done, but also was there if you
11:56
Speaker 1: were like panicking, I don't know how to do this,
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Speaker 1: like this is way too much, she would be there.
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Speaker 1: And she was just so like we were doing this
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Speaker 1: during the pandemic. We were doing it over voice calls,
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Speaker 1: and she was just so like personable and would check
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Speaker 1: in with us and how we were doing and yes, nice.
12:12
Speaker 1: Her personality was such a great fit with us. We
12:14
Speaker 1: hope that we can talk her into coming onto the
12:16
Speaker 1: show BT Dubs because her job is phenomenal in itself.
12:21
Speaker 1: I will say, what we you know, originally thought was ghostwriting.
12:25
Speaker 1: We had not used that as we thought it would
12:27
Speaker 1: be used essentially because we wrote the chapters and they were,
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Speaker 1: they were painful. Sometimes Um I say this as the
12:35
Speaker 1: person like, oh my god, we have to write. And
12:38
Speaker 1: she was great giving us deadlines, which I need those deadlines.
12:41
Speaker 1: Annie was done immediately, and I'm like, give me to
12:43
Speaker 1: the last possible minute to write these twelve pages, because
12:46
Speaker 1: I am screwed at this point. But she was so great.
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Speaker 1: What I would give her twelve pages of just rambling
12:52
Speaker 1: and she would make it succinct and making it readable
12:56
Speaker 1: and then even with our helping us change our original
12:59
Speaker 1: plans and layouts to make more sense. So that's obviously
13:03
Speaker 1: she is a professional, right and she was able to
13:07
Speaker 1: help us understand that as well. And the layout looks
13:10
Speaker 1: amazing in part because of her, because she showed us
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Speaker 1: or she tried to teach us, because this is a
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Speaker 1: better way. What again is feasible and what isn't and
13:21
Speaker 1: what actually looks good versus what can only live in
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Speaker 1: fantasyland of scattered brain Samantha, which is what happened oftentimes.
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Speaker 1: And she did an amazing job. And again when I
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Speaker 1: would sit and be like, what do you think of this?
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Speaker 1: And then with brainstorm, I would come out right with this,
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Speaker 1: and then she would edit the hell out of it
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Speaker 1: and making sure that she's able to relay what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: even not I mean to come back and back it.
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Speaker 1: Did you mean to say it this way or this way?
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Speaker 1: So that was real interesting. But she has been an
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Speaker 1: amazing mentor in this whole thing like that, that's nothing
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Speaker 1: short of watching her magically make this a book, I
13:57
Speaker 1: feel like, instead of just essays that we're putting down,
14:00
Speaker 1: which I felt like I was doing half the time,
14:03
Speaker 1: versus like watching her, like doing those as a as
14:05
Speaker 1: a mom, like how'd you taking care of a family
14:08
Speaker 1: and they trying to take care of us? And during
14:10
Speaker 1: a pandemic also while like it's going navigating the world
14:14
Speaker 1: of COVID because we had so many in and outs
14:17
Speaker 1: of a conversation that was quite interesting to see what
14:20
Speaker 1: this looks like. But yeah, like in her being our
14:24
Speaker 1: guiding light and being our face to face when we
14:26
Speaker 1: were so confused in some of the emails that would
14:29
Speaker 1: come through that were like we don't get it, and
14:32
Speaker 1: would also hear us out when we were complaining because
14:34
Speaker 1: we were like, this is this is impossible? Why are
14:38
Speaker 1: we doing this? And her being a negotiator for us
14:41
Speaker 1: some of the times, Oh yeah, there was more than
14:43
Speaker 1: one instance where Samantha and I got an email and
14:45
Speaker 1: we thought it was spam, but I guess it was
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Speaker 1: a real book email. And she was the one that
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Speaker 1: was like, No, this is real. You need to do this.
14:53
Speaker 1: This is a part of the job. No one told us,
14:56
Speaker 1: but thanks. Yeah, no one's talking to us. We don't know. Yeah,
15:01
Speaker 1: that's a story for another podcast. But wow, that was
15:04
Speaker 1: hilarious that that involved, Like, because there's so much good
15:08
Speaker 1: that goes into a book. There's so much that goes
15:11
Speaker 1: into a book. There's so many different people involved, and
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Speaker 1: so of course Samantha and I don't know right, but
15:16
Speaker 1: Janey was great in that and it was just so confident,
15:21
Speaker 1: like watching her in these meetings and watching her like
15:24
Speaker 1: she what she did know. She was like, no, this
15:26
Speaker 1: will work in this moet, this will work in this moment.
15:28
Speaker 1: Like that was amazing to watch and it was much
15:31
Speaker 1: needed because yeah, you and I were like, what if
15:33
Speaker 1: we two write this, Yeah, and I will say for
15:37
Speaker 1: this world. She also told us when we should advocate
15:40
Speaker 1: for ourselves, because we would have just been like, okay,
15:43
Speaker 1: they said no, and she would push back, Nope, this
15:46
Speaker 1: is not they can do this. It's kind of like
15:48
Speaker 1: having that behind us to give us the confidence to
15:51
Speaker 1: note these things and not being taken advantage of. So again,
15:56
Speaker 1: there's no way in hell I think we could have
15:58
Speaker 1: gotten this guy without Janie. No no, And that was
16:02
Speaker 1: on the table at one point listeners and I shudder sharing.
16:08
Speaker 1: I shudder to think it would have been a messout her.
16:15
Speaker 1: And that's not anything to say about you or me.
16:17
Speaker 1: It's just that's not our skill set. That's not that's
16:18
Speaker 1: not a thing. We know nothing about the book world.
16:21
Speaker 1: And again, it is a completely different world when it
16:26
Speaker 1: comes to jobs. Why would we Why would we as
16:30
Speaker 1: individuals know anything about publishing world, Not even BookWorld, but
16:33
Speaker 1: publishing world. It is a whole different beast that I
16:37
Speaker 1: wasn't ready to tackle. In my mind, I'm like, yes,
16:39
Speaker 1: this is how you write fiction. This is not fiction,
16:42
Speaker 1: like we took portions and made some fictional elements, but
16:45
Speaker 1: the reality of the most but the actual book of
16:48
Speaker 1: it is nonfiction, historical contexts and or current events. So
16:53
Speaker 1: having that, it's again a different beast in what is
16:57
Speaker 1: being required of us. M You know, as much as
17:15
Speaker 1: we are very excited, and I think I'm getting to
17:18
Speaker 1: the point I can't speak for you. I'm getting to
17:20
Speaker 1: the point that I'm confident in the book. I don't know.
17:25
Speaker 1: There's so many like I am a naysayer, so i'd
17:27
Speaker 1: always think the worst before the best, so that I'm
17:30
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised. So I'm trying not to be pessimistic, but like,
17:34
Speaker 1: you know, really getting to the point I'm like, oh, yeah,
17:37
Speaker 1: this is a book. I guess that's the reality of
17:39
Speaker 1: like be like, okay, it's a book. Yeah, yeah, but
17:41
Speaker 1: you know, we would not have done this. I would
17:44
Speaker 1: not have done this on my own. We'll say like that, no.
17:48
Speaker 1: And I want to be clear because I have felt
17:50
Speaker 1: strange throughout this because the whole thing is a strange situation.
17:53
Speaker 1: To have a podcast that turns into a book, it's
17:58
Speaker 1: kind of new. I've always to get something published. I've
18:01
Speaker 1: tried to get something published and have failed. So I
18:03
Speaker 1: don't want anyone listening to be like, it's just I'm
18:09
Speaker 1: very happy it's happening. It's just the way that it
18:11
Speaker 1: happened was very stressful. I think probably publishing a book
18:14
Speaker 1: is always stressful. But if it sounds like we're complaining
18:17
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, you're so lucky you got it published.
18:20
Speaker 1: I hear you, but it just what it was. It
18:23
Speaker 1: was like a very stressful thing and the topic was
18:26
Speaker 1: very stressful. Some of the subjects we talked about were
18:29
Speaker 1: like personally very difficult. And I'll say, like we did
18:35
Speaker 1: write it. I think we wrote it from August to February,
18:40
Speaker 1: and that was like every weekend where I would be
18:45
Speaker 1: like literally at my computer crying like sometimes because of
18:48
Speaker 1: the topic I was writing about researching and that's what
18:51
Speaker 1: I was doing with my weekends. And there is a
18:54
Speaker 1: like dark part of me that's going to miss that
18:56
Speaker 1: excuse of like leave me alone. I have to write
18:58
Speaker 1: this book. But when I look back on this, I'm
19:04
Speaker 1: hoping what I'll feel is like, yeah, like these fun
19:07
Speaker 1: feelings for Helen and Jane and for you because somehow
19:10
Speaker 1: you and I wrote a book together and didn't kill
19:13
Speaker 1: each other, right, But it was a very stressful time.
19:18
Speaker 1: I don't want to sugarcoat it. I'm very happy that
19:21
Speaker 1: it's I'm proud of what we did, but it was stressful. Yeah,
19:28
Speaker 1: of course. Yeah. We found a new appreciation for all
19:32
Speaker 1: the authors out there who do this as their job
19:35
Speaker 1: because it is it is a thing. And we've always
19:37
Speaker 1: said that when we've had authors on our show or
19:40
Speaker 1: like you published a book that's amazing, congratulations, you know,
19:43
Speaker 1: feeling that seeing the side of it like oh wow,
19:46
Speaker 1: and again it kind of was a little more again
19:49
Speaker 1: and all the ideas what we created was brand new
19:52
Speaker 1: to us, our brainchild, like it was mine and Andy's brainchild.
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Speaker 1: We thought of this, we created this, We wrote this,
19:58
Speaker 1: So I don't I'm not try to take that away.
20:00
Speaker 1: We did it woo. But the way it came out
20:05
Speaker 1: it was very catered. The way that we have already
20:07
Speaker 1: got publishers waiting for it. We've got people who are
20:11
Speaker 1: in the marketing like hopefully it's going to do something
20:15
Speaker 1: with it outside of us talking about it on the show.
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Speaker 1: We had editors waiting for us, we had an agent
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Speaker 1: waiting for us, like all those things. Because it is
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Speaker 1: an iheartbook, which is why it is the stuff you
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Speaker 1: should read books dot com because there's other books on
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Speaker 1: there from previous How Stuff Works shows that are on
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Speaker 1: there as well, which you should go and check out
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Speaker 1: if you haven't their books. But you know that there's
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Speaker 1: so much to this, like it is an unusual circumstance,
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Speaker 1: and we acknowledge both the privilege and both the stress
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Speaker 1: of given that responsibility because we want to be able
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Speaker 1: to say these things, tell these stories. But there's also
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Speaker 1: these anxiety which kept me up. I would have nightmares
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Speaker 1: I think I told you about some of them, about
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Speaker 1: this book, about if we failed writing this book, and
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Speaker 1: what does that look like? And how dare we even
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Speaker 1: say we have we should have this opportunity to talk
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Speaker 1: about it? How dare we think that we have the
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Speaker 1: rights to talk about it? And we had to change
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Speaker 1: some of the ideas because it was already so dark
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Speaker 1: that the way we had figured it out, It's like
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Speaker 1: it was going to be too dark. It was too dark. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: And I would say for me it might sound silly
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Speaker 1: and contradictory, but there's something about writing a thing down
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Speaker 1: that feels more permanent than just you and me talk
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Speaker 1: about this podcast, right, And so I know you and
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Speaker 1: I have talked about it, But I'm just hoping that
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Speaker 1: some people in my life won't ever know that I
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Speaker 1: did this, because they'll just be bad at me that
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Speaker 1: I published it, and not that I really want to
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Speaker 1: cater to them, but it just feels more like they
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Speaker 1: don't know what a podcast is. They're never going to
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Speaker 1: find it. A book feels in some ways more permanent,
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Speaker 1: and that was part of the stress for me when
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Speaker 1: I was writing out some things where maybe I'd never
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Speaker 1: written it down before, and I was like, this feels
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Speaker 1: really heavy and really real in a way that even
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Speaker 1: if I've talked about on the show, and I know
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Speaker 1: this is also like people the internet in theory you
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Speaker 1: can find anything forever, but it doesn't feel the same
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Speaker 1: if it's not like a physical media. I guess so.
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Speaker 1: I also it's very stressed about it. But I mean,
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Speaker 1: all of that being said, we are excited to share
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Speaker 1: it with all of you. We might be going on tour,
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Speaker 1: We're not sure yet, but we'll keep you posted about
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Speaker 1: all of that stuff. We'll keep checking in about this.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll have some more stuff to say, some
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Speaker 1: more social media things. But yeah, we wrote a book.
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Speaker 1: We wrote a book. Yes, yes, yes, Also there's going
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Speaker 1: to be an audiobook, which I am very stressed about
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Speaker 1: but also very excited about. We haven't done the recording yet,
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Speaker 1: but oh god, who knows. Maybe they'll hate what we
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Speaker 1: do and they'll cut it. Oh oh oh No, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure I'll be fine. I'm sure I'll be fine. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: more to Kim, More to Kim. But in the meantime, Yes,
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Speaker 1: the book will be out on August twenty and ninth.
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Speaker 1: You can pree thank you for always reminding me of that. Yes,
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Speaker 1: you can pre order it as stuff you should read
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Speaker 1: books dot com. You can also see an excerpt with
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Speaker 1: some beautiful art Last of Us themed. You can check
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Speaker 1: out our social media for the cover reveal and also
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Speaker 1: the links to pre order the book as well. In
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Speaker 1: those if you would like to email as you can
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Speaker 1: our emails Stephanie and mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com.
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Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at momst podcast, or
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Speaker 1: on Instagram and TikTok at stuff I've Never told you.
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Speaker 1: Thanks as always too, all right, super producer Christina, our
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Speaker 1: executive producer Maya, and our contributor Joey. Thank you baby much. Yes, also,
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Speaker 1: this could not happen without them. Yes, and thanks to
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Speaker 1: you for listening, Steph, I Never told you s protection
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