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Cinderella III: A Twist in Time · The After Ever After Podcast

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  Hello everyone and welcome to the After Ever
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  After podcast. The show where we take a look
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  at Disney sequels to truly see what life is like
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  after ever after. I'm James and joining me as
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  always is my co -host Andy. Hello there. How
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  are you doing today Andy? I'm good. We're going
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  to be doing a movie this week where someone has
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  a sense of deja vu. I don't know if that's relatable
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  for you at all James. Just a little bit, yeah.
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  I'm not sure why. Do you want to explain what
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  happened, Andy? What happened, Andy? Well, we
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  did 90 minutes of recording Cinderella 3 two
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  days ago. We did it nice and early this time,
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  before the fireworks, because we're recording
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  this for Bonfire Week, and we are about to finish.
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  And I realised that my computer has crashed and
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  none of it recorded. I was in the middle of saying
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  something. You were, yeah. So I was just chatting,
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  chatting, chatting. And then all I heard was...
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  And it was so funny. And I was like, did I say
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  something? Are you reacting to something in the
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  film? What's happening? And then you were like...
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  Yeah, it stopped recording 40 minutes in and
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  I was like, no! My little greasy heart broke.
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  But we've taken a couple of days break. We're
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  fresh again. We're ready to come back and tackle
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  this one more time. Oh, yeah. Which is quite
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  apt. Like you say, deja vu. We're ready to do
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  it again. Could that have something to do with
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  this film? But before we get into it, it's time
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  to look. uh andy's favorite segment before ever
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  before it is my favorite segment because we usually
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  do and we are still doing our disney sequels
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  in chronological order from the originals and
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  as we pass by i like to imagine the after ever
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  afters a little train ride and we're passing
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  by all the other films that didn't get sequels
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  like so long but this time we're still at the
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  same stop we're on cinderella 3 following Cinderella
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  2 last week. So instead of looking back at the
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  films in between that didn't get a sequel, I
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  just got some other ways in which Cinderella
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  1 continued and a few little fun facts. So the
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  main one of how Cinderella continued after the
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  original animation is the live -action adaptation,
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  which we didn't really reference last week. We're
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  saving it for this. But in 2015, Kenneth Branagh,
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  as you may know, is the director of Belfast,
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  Thor, another thing. He's Poirot. That's the
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  one, yeah. I couldn't think of the guy's name.
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  The French moustache himself. He decided to tackle
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  Cinderella for Disney. It stars Lily James as
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  Cinderella, or as she's called in this film,
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  just Ella. They do this entire explanation behind
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  the name of the sister's like, Ella's covered
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  in cinder. She's like a Cinderella. It's like,
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  oh, okay. Great. That pisses me off. That's really
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  stupid. I hate stuff like that. It's like Han
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  Solo in the Solo movie. Oh, God. Yeah. We've
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  also got Cate Blanchett as Lady Tremaine. Richard
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  Madden as the Prince, who's now called Prince
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  Kit instead of Prince Charming. and Helena Bonham
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  Carter is the fairy godmother. You've also got
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  Stellan Skarsgård, Rob Brydon, Derek Jacoby,
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  and Hayley Atwell filling it out, so pretty good
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  cast, to be fair. Pretty good. Cate Blanchett
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  is a great get. I kind of see Helena Bonham Carter
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  and her as they could switch roles in that, and
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  it would still work kind of thing. Like, I think
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  Helena Bonham Carter would be a great Lady Tremaine
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  as well, but I guess going off... All of the
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  Cinderella films that we've seen now, Cate Blanchett
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  has that kind of poisoned seriousness that Lady
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  Tremaine kind of gives off in these films. Yeah.
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  I guess you could say she's got a bit of tar
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  in her personality. That's one for all you movie
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  fans out there. But this is... I didn't re -watch
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  it for this because I imagine we'll hit remakes
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  at some point. I've never seen it. It's alright,
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  you know. I say alright. I actually kind of really
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  like this one. And I'm not alone. It made half
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  a billion. It has 84 % on Rotten Tomatoes. With
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  the caveat that this was 2015 so this was like
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  before the huge boom of everything get a remake.
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  So you didn't have that kind of drag on you as
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  well. It was new. It was fresh. It was what the
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  kids were wanting. It did do a lot, like, of
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  fleshing out, like, the critiques people have.
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  Like, Cinderella's more active in her film. She
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  stands up to, like, the stepmother and stuff
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  and, like, she meets the prince a few times before
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  the dance and he has his own character arc and
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  stuff like this. Wait, he says stuff before the
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  dance? They let him speak without being spoken
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  to as well. what's going on i remember liking
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  it and lily james i think she's just absolutely
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  lovely and everything she's in lily james's rendition
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  of a dream is a wish your heart will make is
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  really nice and uh helena bonham carter does
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  the bibbidi -bobbidi -boo i can't remember if
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  it's like an actual musical i have to just shove
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  them in the credits to shut people up because
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  it was that kind of time frame but yeah yeah
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  and then uh we've also got like a slew of video
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  games uh most of them are Not that interesting,
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  so I'll just run through these a bit. You've
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  got three games that are very similar. Cinderella's
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  Dollhouse 2 and Cinderella's Castle Designer,
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  which are all PC games that let little kids design
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  Cinderella's little house. Oh, hell yeah. It
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  was a Disney Princess game for the Game Boy Advance,
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  which just ran through levels based on each Disney
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  Princess at the time. So you'd do a little level
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  of her movie, and then you'd have a boss battle
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  at the end. Cinderella doesn't really have a
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  boss battle in her movie, so it just ends with
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  a dance -off with the stepsisters. That's great.
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  You've got Cinderella Magic Dreams, which is
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  a Game Boy Advanced adaptation of the first movie
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  in 2005. There's plenty of Disney Princess games.
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  A lot of them are just kind of slop, but there's
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  a couple where they've actually put effort into
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  the story. There was this... weird one where
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  you play as a princess who has amnesia and you
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  have to save the other princesses realms from
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  an evil ex -princess who wants to stop anyone
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  else being a princess and weird i think the weirdest
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  thing for me with this one is uh you have to
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  go to snow white's realm to like save it and
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  then you have to go to ariel's realm etc but
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  then it was describing like and then when you're
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  finished you get to go to bell's realm like i
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  would be so pissed off if i was one of those
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  other princesses Finally, I get to see Lumiere.
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  Oh, yeah, yeah. You go there. You go there. I'm
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  sorry you had to come to my room. I'd be fuming.
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  uh there's some other stuff including a cinderella
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  free fall game in 2015 which is candy crush to
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  promote the live action one she's been in kingdom
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  hearts the only other thing i'm going to mention
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  up top here and we're going to come back to later
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  is there was a little musical a part of mine
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  if you will called twice charms an original twist
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  on the cinderella story which is something that
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  they designed and did on disney cruise lines
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  in 2005 so that'll come relevant later I've got
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  you some little fun facts to cheer up the mood,
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  though. Hit me up with some cinder trivia. The
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  dress transformation seems one of Walt Disney...
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  Sorry, it is Walt Disney's favourite piece of
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  animation. I can see why. It's sick. It's so
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  good. Anytime they do a little callback to it
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  as well, I'm like, yeah, this is such a good
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  bit of animation. I love it. It's iconic. It's
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  so good. If you take out the prologue where it
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  introduces Cinderella's backstories and the epilogue
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  where it shows her getting married, the main
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  story of Cinderella 1 just takes place over 24
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  hours. Oh, yeah. This came at the point where...
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  We talked about this last week. Disney were at
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  the point where they'd just done six back -to
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  -back package movies. Speaking of which, I said
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  I'd never watch them. I've watched all but one
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  now. They all suck. I don't know why I did this
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  to myself. Why? But at this point, Walt Disney
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  Pictures were $4 million in debt and on the verge
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  of bankruptcy. So, Cinderella was like a massive
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  gamble. It was $3 million to make. And the success
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  of this film is pretty much the reason we still
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  have Disney today. Because if this went a different
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  way... the company would have just closed down.
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  That's crazy. Yeah. So following this movie and
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  the record sales, the music, the books and the
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  merchandise, Disney then had the cash flow to
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  make new productions, animated stuff, live action
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  stuff, make his own distribution company, start
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  doing TV work and start building Disneyland.
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  This is such a weird fact. I had to include it
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  because someone is a super fan just sitting working
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  this out. Cinderella takes place in June. And
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  they know this because in the movie, the sun
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  rises slightly before 6am in France, as it would
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  within a few weeks of the summer solstice. And
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  at this time of year, a pumpkin would have grown
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  about 20 to 40 pounds. That is... That is unbelievable.
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  I hope you didn't put too much time into working
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  that out. This is actually quite interesting.
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  I like this a lot. So Cinderella was originally
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  a French thing. One of the biggest, most iconic
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  pieces of the story is the glass slippers, but
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  this is actually a mistake. In the original French
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  version, she has fur slippers. So the fairy godmother's
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  changing all these animals into things, and one
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  of the things she does is she changes these squirrels
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  into slippers, which is weird and gross, and
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  I don't like that. But... The word for this was
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  ver, which is V -E -I -R. I'm probably pronouncing
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  that wrong. And it's quite an antiquated French
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  word that means animal or squirrel. So when translating
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  it, the writer mistook it for a word which is
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  V -E -R -R -E. So ver instead of ver. And that's
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  a word for glass. So, I mean, like, glass slippers
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  does sound silly. And, like, it kind of makes
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  sense. But at the same time, squirrel slippers
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  sound worse. They sound horrible. Yeah, I don't
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  like it at all. But that's quite interesting
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  that a tiny little mistake has created this huge
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  iconography of a blockbuster franchise. Yeah,
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  that's crazy. Would the squirrel slippers be
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  sentient? Screaming and paying every step. Everything
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  else is like, it's a sentient being being turned
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  into another sentient being kind of thing. An
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  inanimate object. It would just be like a shoe
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  from Beauty and the Beast or something like that.
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  Just every now and then it's like she's walking
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  along and they're just like, ow, ow, ow, ow.
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  I think the squirrels' names were Quentin Tarantino
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  and Hideo Kojima. Shut up, that's really stupid.
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  And that's all my Cinder trivia. That was a delight.
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  Thank you. So normally after Before Ever Before,
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  wow, that's weird to say, we would discuss the
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  original film. Do you want to do a quick plot
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  recap of what happens in the previous ones? Yeah.
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  Well, the first one's actually quite nice, to
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  be fair. It's just a very basic story. Cinderella's
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  living with her stepmother and her stepsisters.
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  She's abused and made to do all the work. Suddenly
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  there's going to be a ball where the prince dances
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  with all the women in the land to see who he
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  wants to marry. And she really wants to go. Thanks
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  to magic shenanigans and animals, she gets to
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  go. She gets a magic dress from the Fairy Godmother.
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  She has a dance with the prince. She runs away
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  because her spell's going to wear off. But leaves
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  the slipper. The glass slipper, not the squirrel
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  slipper. And the prince sends his men out. Find
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  that foot! And they find it and they get married.
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  That's the first one, really, isn't it? Yeah.
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  The second one takes place pretty much days after.
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  the first one I think so it sees the mice and
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  the fairy godmother they've moved in and they
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  want another story but no one has any more stories
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  about Cinderella because it happened three days
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  ago so they're like we'll make our own and they
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  start putting together a book and they start
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  telling different stories and it's split into
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  three stories you've got one which is like Cinderella's
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  first big event um where she's told everything
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  to do and it's cinderella she's like nah mate
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  we're gonna do it this way and then everyone's
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  like sick cinderella that was a great idea uh
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  the second one um one of the little mice is like
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  i don't like being a mouse cinderella doesn't
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  pay attention to me and i can't help her and
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  uh the fairy godmother's like you want to be
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  a human and he's like Yeah. The way you describe
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  her there, she sounds like a punchy back alley
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  dealer of spells and witchcraft. Want to be a
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  human? I got it all. I got transmutation. I got...
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  I got a vatican era. So yeah, he turns into a
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  human. He tries to help Cinderella. Doesn't work
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  because he can't say... It's me. It's Jacques.
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  And then he realizes being a mouse ain't so bad.
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  And then the third one is the one that we liked
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  the most. It's still flawed, but it is Anastasia,
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  the redheaded stepsister, wants to fall in love
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  because she's seeing Cinderella so happy and
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  everything like that. And then she meets someone.
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  She's like, oh, my God. Maybe. And then the stepmother's
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  like, no. And then Cinderella's like, yeah. And
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  then they have their little happy ever after
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  and the stepsister gets kind of redeemed. Yay!
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  And that's the end. Oh God, I hate Cinderella
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  2 so much. So much so that we were dreading this
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  at the end of the Cinderella 2 episode. I was
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  really deflated after Cinderella 2. I put off
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  watching this. For quite a while. Should we get
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  into it? Cinderella 3. A twist in time. Yeah.
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  Oh, that's a shit name. So, Cinderella 3. I got
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  a bit of facts and figures before we get into
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  the nasty gritty. Let's get the facts. So Cinderella
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  3 released in 2007 in February. It was theatrically
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  released in nine countries including the UK.
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  It was directed by Frank Nissen who's worked
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  as a director on a few different projects most
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  notably poos heffalump movie and a storyboard
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  artist on tarzan and tinkerbell and other stuff
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  as well it's got four different writers on this
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  one of varying experience so we have dan berenson
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  who worked on sabrina the teenage witch and hannah
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  montana that movie eddie gazillion who's worked
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  on american dragon jake long and the walking
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  dead we have margaret heldenry who worked on
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  this and a single episode of Clifford the Big
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  Red Dog in 2020, 13 years later. Oh, hell yeah.
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  And Colleen Millier Ventimiglia, who worked exclusively
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  on Cinderella 3, and then nothing. I don't know
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  what happened to her. She was like, fuck yeah,
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  man. This is my Citizen Kane. And then she just...
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  Retired. I've said all I have to say in this
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  business. Just for financials, it had a budget
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  of 8 million. It topped the national DVD sales
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  during the first week of release. As of now,
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  it's sold over 92 million in the US alone. So
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  it's made a fair bit of money. Yeah, did you
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  check the box office mojo for that again? You
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  know what I did? If you go on just Cinderella
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  3, nothing. So I went into the weekend breakdowns
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  again and I went to this weekend and it has,
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  I think it had like either 50 or 100 movies and
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  it goes all the way down to just making like
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  2 ,000 in the entire week. Which is very low
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  for a movie. And Cinderella's just not mentioned
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  at all. So it seems like the box office data
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  for this is just purged again. Why? I don't get
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  it. It's so weird. The only thing I can think
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  of is... Because it's not like... Because in
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  America it's like a DVD one. The corporation,
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  Disney, maybe just forgot to release the data.
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  But I don't know if that's right. If that's how
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  it works or what. It just feels weird. It's really
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  strange. It must be something to do with it just
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  being DVD only. I don't know. Feels wrong. Well,
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  I'll be curious to see how that goes next. I
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  think it's next week we're doing Return to Neverland
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  and that got a theatrical release in America
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  as well. So that might confirm our feeling whether
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  or not it's just because of the DVD release in
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  the States. We'll come back to you. Next time.
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  On the most riveting plot thread of the podcast.
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  It's actually a conspiracy theory. I wouldn't
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  usually highlight the composer in this little
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  bit, but Joel McNeely worked on this. He's worked
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  on Holes, The Young Indiana Jones Adventures,
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  The Orville, and he's worked on a lot of other
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  Disney stuff like Tinkerbell, Return to Neverland,
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  funny enough, Jungle Book 2, and Mulan 2. I thought
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  it was worth calling him out because the score
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  on this absolutely slaps. It's so good. It's
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  really good. It fits a lot more than the last
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  one. It feels like it belongs, you know what
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  I mean? Where the last one felt like no shade
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  to the artist, but those songs just didn't feel
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  like they felt at home in the world, if you know
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  what I mean. And in this, they feel like they
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  fit. It feels just... perfect kind of thing i'm
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  not going to comment on the artist i'm not going
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  to fall into that again but um this guy this
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  guy wrote the score just like the musical score
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  but the the songs um that was written by two
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  other guys michael wiener i actually took me
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  off guard i was like wait a minute that's a word
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  and alan zachary I'll specify them because they
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  may also come back later in the show as well.
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  We don't have them as guests, don't worry. Ooh,
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  exciting. No, we don't. So that's a bit of a
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  law drop, but having said all that, James, what
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  did you think of Cinderella 3, A Twist in Time?
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  This is a certified Disney classic. Banger. Damn.
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  This film... It's so good. I agree. I won't get
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  into where I put it in the ranking system just
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  yet, but I definitely agree this is a fucking
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  good movie. After Cinderella 2. Oh my God, this
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  is unbelievable. It's so good. Everything about
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  it's great. I think it's got a really nice, simple
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  yet really well done plot. Yes. It's got some
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  great moments in it. The acting is great. Jennifer
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  Hale coming back again. She's great as Cinderella.
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  Lady Tremaine is living up to her villain dream.
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  Yeah. It's unbelievable. Yeah, I think all the
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  characters just play really well together. I
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  think this is a great film. Something that I
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  really like about this that you just mentioned
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  at the end, while it's on our minds, the cast
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  itself, it's... basically just the first movie's
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  cast they don't try and expand it or anything
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  like that and it works so well and all the characters
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  get fleshed out more like there's not a single
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  character that comes away from this like even
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  on the same level as the first one they all get
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  a bit more to work with which is great cinderella
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  a twist in time realistically andy i'm going
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  to pose you a question uh -huh does this take
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  place after cinderella 2 on paper Yes. It opens
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  with a song called Perfectly Perfect, in which
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  they constantly reference it's been a year since
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  the first film. So on paper, this is after Cinderella
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  2, and very early on they go into time travel
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  shenanigans, which brings it back to the end
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  of the Cinderella 1. Yeah. But at the same time,
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  in Perfectly Perfect, the song that opens the
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  movie, Anastasia, the redhead stepsister... talks
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  about how she's never been beaten by a ball,
• 22:08
  and how she's never found love, all of which
• 22:10
  happened in Cinderella 2, seemingly confirming
• 22:13
  that that movie's not canon now, or just never
• 22:17
  happened? Like, the mice made it up? They just
• 22:19
  made some stupid stories up and lied? Yeah, I
• 22:22
  mean, do you know what? That makes more sense.
• 22:25
  That makes so much more sense, and that's, yeah,
• 22:28
  the mice made up a load of stories and shoved
• 22:31
  it in a book for Cinderella, and that's all...
• 22:34
  Cinderella 2 is and we can ignore it this takes
• 22:37
  place after the first one that's it it explains
• 22:41
  the dog shit writing as well doesn't it like
• 22:43
  yeah brain dead mouse written by mice the first
• 22:47
  ever film written by mice and it shows A twist
• 22:51
  in time. We start on Cinderella and the fairy
• 22:55
  godmother sort of dicking about, talking about
• 22:58
  how everything's perfectly perfect. And then
• 23:01
  Anastasia kind of finds a way in and she's talking
• 23:04
  about how, like Andy said before, she's never
• 23:08
  been in love. She's never been invited to a ball,
• 23:11
  all of that. And she's like, how the fuck did
• 23:14
  Cinderella do it? All singing, of course. And
• 23:18
  then... Fairy Godmother whips out a magic wand.
• 23:21
  So she sees the magic wand and she's like, oh
• 23:23
  my God, Cinderella used magic. And then clumsy
• 23:27
  Fairy Godmother just fucking yeets the magic
• 23:30
  wand right over to where Anastasia is. And she
• 23:34
  grabs it, she runs off and she shows it to Lady
• 23:36
  Tremaine. She's like, oh my God, it was magic.
• 23:38
  That's how Cinderella did it. And Lady Tremaine
• 23:41
  unleashes her evil. um like her pure evil for
• 23:47
  the first time kind of thing she's got power
• 23:50
  and she uh firstly the other stepsister sees
• 23:55
  that it's a stick and then she goes let's beat
• 23:59
  her with it which was really funny so lady tremaine
• 24:03
  casts some magic bippity boppity boo and reverses
• 24:06
  time to a year ago um the mourning of the duke
• 24:12
  coming to try the slipper on a load of people
• 24:15
  instead of cinderella coming down lady tremaine
• 24:19
  makes the glass slipper bigger and it fits on
• 24:22
  anastasia's foot time has changed and now anastasia's
• 24:28
  off to the castle instead of cinderella do you
• 24:31
  know what it is what it's like flashpoint but
• 24:33
  with lady oh my god yeah yeah fair enough anyone
• 24:45
  not familiar Flash points the story from the
• 24:47
  DC comics where Flash goes back in time to save
• 24:50
  his mother and there's a new timeline and we
• 24:52
  pretty much get that here except instead of saving
• 24:54
  the mother they put a slipper on Anastasia's
• 24:56
  foot yeah by making the glass slipper way bigger
• 25:00
  yeah so the entire story then just follows Lady
• 25:04
  Tremaine trying to secure the power and Cinderella
• 25:06
  trying to She's not trying to undo the time travel,
• 25:08
  per se. She's trying to, like, win the prince
• 25:10
  over, isn't she? Yeah, she's just trying to fall
• 25:13
  in love with the prince. Yeah. Or make the prince
• 25:16
  realise that it was her that they went to the
• 25:18
  dance with. Yeah. I think we have just said this,
• 25:21
  but it's worth saying again. I love the plot
• 25:23
  of this. I thought, like, what a fun premise
• 25:25
  for a movie. Genuinely, I did not expect it to
• 25:28
  go this way at all. No. It's kind of, in a way,
• 25:32
  like... obviously it's lovely it's a cinderella
• 25:34
  film but it's kind of dark as well and yeah there's
• 25:38
  the part that i think you mentioned where time
• 25:42
  is going backwards yes yeah and do you want to
• 25:46
  explain it yeah that that sequence that you mentioned
• 25:49
  where tremaine's like unleashing power is like
• 25:51
  nuts because they the animation this is beautiful
• 25:54
  by the way it's got that same it's so good it's
• 25:57
  got the same pitfalls of the budget and it's
• 25:59
  digital art and digital ink but the animators
• 26:01
  really put a lot of effort into making this look
• 26:03
  amazing and that spell is like no exception because
• 26:06
  instead of like reusing footage from the first
• 26:09
  film which would have been cheaper and easier
• 26:12
  they reanimate the scenes and have it it's almost
• 26:15
  like an unseen forces ripping cinderella and
• 26:18
  the prince away from each other like they're
• 26:19
  clutching on and being dragged away and it's
• 26:22
  It's like a bit heart -wrenching and Jermaine's
• 26:25
  got this horrible, evil grin on her face. Yeah,
• 26:28
  Andy sent me a picture of just her grin the other
• 26:31
  day while he was watching it. And it's so evil.
• 26:36
  Yeah. And let's just say it, she steps it up
• 26:40
  in this one. She is pure evil, man. She's horrible.
• 26:46
  Because I think we both mentioned for two, because
• 26:48
  she's barely in that one. But she's more of just,
• 26:50
  like, a fuddy -duddy. Like, even when you were
• 26:52
  recapping it there, it's just, like, she says,
• 26:54
  don't you date that guy. But, like, in this one,
• 26:56
  she's malicious. She's a cold -hearted bitch.
• 27:00
  She's horrible. And she's animated like that
• 27:03
  again as well. She gets all the shadows and the
• 27:05
  coldness in her face and stuff like that that
• 27:08
  the 50s one had. Yeah, I think I mentioned that
• 27:11
  it was, like, slightly film noir. And it's the
• 27:14
  same thing. It's like, oh, it's just so well,
• 27:17
  like, proper villain. shadows and oh man lady
• 27:21
  tremaine take your place in that video game of
• 27:25
  disney villains the dumbo ringmaster can fuck
• 27:28
  off you know what actually while we're on the
• 27:30
  topic there i watched dumbo recently And Dumbo,
• 27:34
  at the end of the movie, goes back and works
• 27:35
  for the ringmaster. So he shouldn't be in that
• 27:38
  video game. Get him out! What the? Yeah, put
• 27:40
  Lady... Right, we're starting a petition to put
• 27:43
  Lady Tremaine in this game from 1999. Just the
• 27:47
  premise of this movie as well shows how evil
• 27:50
  she is. Like, she has unlimited power in front
• 27:53
  of her. And she could very easily just be like,
• 27:54
  I wish we were rich. I wish we were powerful.
• 27:56
  Yeah. But she specifically wants to undo Cinderella
• 28:00
  being happy. Which is just so cruel. And she
• 28:04
  does it by going, bippity -boppity -boop. She
• 28:08
  says it with such malice, though. Scared me.
• 28:12
  She's great in this one. The lady playing her,
• 28:16
  we didn't mention her last week because she didn't
• 28:17
  really do anything, but it's Suzanne Blakesley,
• 28:19
  who's actually done a lot of... villains uh for
• 28:24
  Disney recently she's done like Maleficent and
• 28:26
  Cruella de Vil and the Evil Queen um after the
• 28:29
  original voice actors have moved on and she's
• 28:32
  also funnily enough also Wanda from Fairly Oddparents.
• 28:35
  Which is crazy to me. Those voices don't line
• 28:39
  up, but it just shows how good of a voice actor
• 28:42
  she is, that she can be so whimsical and lovely
• 28:45
  in Fairly Oddparents, and then this absolutely
• 28:48
  stern, horrible, nasty piece of work. It's crazy.
• 28:54
  She's great. I love it. Did you know that her
• 28:56
  first film was Cinderella 2? No, I didn't. That's
• 28:59
  mad. Like she'd done some stuff in animated shows
• 29:03
  before, but... yeah that was her first film i
• 29:06
  mean it sucks to be that one because like imagine
• 29:09
  this was the the starter that would be sick yeah
• 29:12
  i was gonna say at least it led out of this while
• 29:15
  we're here it's worth saying we both really like
• 29:17
  this film there's some twists and turns in this
• 29:19
  which i'm not gonna say you don't see coming
• 29:21
  but it goes further than i think you'd expect
• 29:23
  it to in some bits a hundred percent yeah it's
• 29:26
  worth watching this like for yourself um we'll
• 29:29
  probably try and like Slowly move through the
• 29:31
  plot so you can listen to more, but we would
• 29:34
  both recommend you watch this. Don't watch Cinderella
• 29:36
  2. Just watch Cinderella 1, then watch this one.
• 29:40
  There's no point in watching Cinderella 2. I
• 29:42
  would say from now on, we're probably going to
• 29:46
  go into spoiler territory. So if you haven't
• 29:48
  seen it yet, now's your time. go watch it yeah
• 29:52
  go away if you want to watch it but one thing
• 29:55
  i mentioned it isn't really a spoiler but the
• 29:57
  songs like this kicks off with a song which was
• 30:00
  very reassuring for me because it's not just
• 30:02
  a song it's a musical song it's yeah it's diegetic
• 30:06
  the characters are actually singing it's not
• 30:08
  like a pop song laid over a montage of different
• 30:11
  characters doing different bits they've actually
• 30:13
  written songs for this and it was uh really refreshing
• 30:15
  yeah they're really good as well there's one
• 30:18
  a bit later on that i was i think i said to you
• 30:22
  i wouldn't normally like a song like that and
• 30:24
  i loved it i thought is that when the mice sing
• 30:26
  yes yeah i love that one we'll get to that in
• 30:29
  a bit but yeah the songs are great the music
• 30:33
  is fantastic it fits like i say it just feels
• 30:37
  like it belongs there kind of thing absolutely
• 30:41
  and it really helps sell the idea that this is
• 30:44
  a continuation of the first one because nothing's
• 30:46
  more jarring than like you're basically almost
• 30:48
  changing genre when you do that like it's no
• 30:51
  longer really a musical it's just a movie that
• 30:53
  has music in um and this is back to music yeah
• 30:57
  it turns into like a music video which is what
• 30:59
  like those parts where the pop song kind of things
• 31:02
  come in yeah cinderella too It feels like that
• 31:06
  kind of thing. But I did like the work with Cinderella
• 31:09
  at the beginning. And by the way, when she escapes
• 31:11
  the room in the original one, it's the dog that
• 31:13
  helps her out. The dog vanishes in this one.
• 31:16
  He's nowhere to be seen. Yeah, dog is nowhere
• 31:18
  to be seen. Poor Bruno. We don't talk about Bruno.
• 31:24
  That was very good. Flashpoint erases Brunner,
• 31:30
  I guess. But when Cinderella comes downstairs
• 31:33
  and she's got that confusion of like, what the
• 31:36
  hell? It was me. There's a bit where Tremaine
• 31:40
  and the sisters leave with the royal duke and
• 31:42
  whatever. They're like, princesses now. And you
• 31:45
  see a shot of Cinderella just looking at them
• 31:48
  as they go. And then it cuts to a shot of her
• 31:50
  from behind as she closes the door really slowly.
• 31:53
  And you don't even see her face in that second
• 31:55
  one. yeah yeah so heartbreaking it's it's the
• 31:59
  bit from the first movie where she's crying like
• 32:01
  times 10 it's just like that was her upset and
• 32:05
  then this is her just shattered like absolutely
• 32:07
  broken And it was horrible. Broken like the glass
• 32:11
  slipper that Lady Tremaine dropped on the floor.
• 32:14
  Yeah. There's no scapegoat this time. She can't
• 32:17
  go up and be like, oh, I've got the glass slipper.
• 32:20
  Lady Tremaine has taken that from her as well.
• 32:23
  Yeah. Brutal. And she has a really great song
• 32:26
  there as well. The song was like, she's almost
• 32:29
  like guessing, isn't she? Like of like, did that
• 32:32
  actually happen? Like, did I imagine that? Because
• 32:36
  I'm so mentally broken. good song which is called
• 32:39
  was it is it more than a dream yes more than
• 32:43
  a dream yeah great that's not how it goes at
• 32:47
  all no i don't i think the songs are good in
• 32:51
  the moment as well uh and you might not necessarily
• 32:53
  be tapping your toes later and remembering them
• 32:55
  but when you're watching the film it works and
• 32:57
  um considering like you know it's a different
• 33:00
  level to the original one and i'm fine with that
• 33:02
  like if one watching the movie they're good then
• 33:05
  so be it like i don't need to remember every
• 33:07
  song i would still listen to them i think i'd
• 33:09
  pop this uh soundtrack on it's a banger it's
• 33:12
  also only like 16 minutes long so like but as
• 33:15
  we mentioned earlier like it brings all the original
• 33:17
  characters back and that's like your main characters
• 33:20
  so like when we jump to the palace we get like
• 33:22
  the prince and um i remember you saying it was
• 33:25
  um the prince has like a lot more to do like
• 33:27
  i remember you highlighting like Even just something
• 33:30
  as simple as, like, he's fencing and he's doing,
• 33:33
  like, athletic stuff and stuff. It's like, he
• 33:34
  has an interest now. That's cool. And it may
• 33:36
  play a note later. Little bits that just make
• 33:39
  the characters feel more alive than they were.
• 33:41
  Absolutely, yeah. He, like, him and his dad train
• 33:45
  in this, like, gymnastics gym. It's the Iron
• 33:49
  Paradise. Yeah, exactly. It's, you know, the
• 33:52
  rocks in the corner promoting energy drinks.
• 33:55
  And, yeah, he's like... going off the pommel
• 33:58
  horse and then swinging around on some ropes
• 34:01
  and stuff like that. And it's good. So yeah,
• 34:03
  the story takes us into the castle. We see a
• 34:05
  little bit of what the prince and the king are
• 34:07
  doing. You know, the king's really happy that,
• 34:10
  oh, you're going to get married. She's here.
• 34:12
  She's on the way. You excited? The duke lets
• 34:16
  the Lady Tremaine and the stepsisters in. And
• 34:22
  the prince walks into the room and is like, oh!
• 34:25
  i think i got the wrong room like straight away
• 34:29
  he knows oh this isn't cinderella this isn't
• 34:32
  who i dance with at the ball it's actually such
• 34:36
  a like like it's it's never mean about it but
• 34:38
  it does kind of like prod a little fun at the
• 34:40
  original one where it's like what would the stepsisters
• 34:43
  plan when they get there if their foot fit like
• 34:45
  He remembers who he did. It was last night. He
• 34:48
  remembers. He can remember a face. He's not,
• 34:51
  like, face -blind or anything like that. He's
• 34:53
  going to look and be like, you have red hair,
• 34:57
  she had blonde hair. Instantly, yeah. And they
• 35:01
  even make a point with the slipper. They're like,
• 35:03
  how many people's shoe size do you think are,
• 35:05
  like, four and a half or whatever? Like, there's
• 35:08
  loads of people in this kingdom. Of course there's
• 35:10
  going to be people with... So they take the piss
• 35:12
  out of the... kind of plot holes of the original
• 35:15
  which is really fun but yeah so oh no lady tremaine's
• 35:19
  plan is out the window oh no what's that it's
• 35:22
  the wand oh bippity boppity boo forget cinderella
• 35:26
  and remember that you were dancing with anastasia
• 35:29
  now the prince turns around and he's like mate
• 35:33
  it was you sick so yeah i think like the second
• 35:36
  act a lot of it's like in the castle there's
• 35:38
  a lot of like to and fro of like that that germaine's
• 35:41
  trying to like keep the spell under control and
• 35:42
  cinderella's trying to infiltrate and stuff funny
• 35:45
  enough when cinderella gets there we uh introduced
• 35:48
  to a character from the second one weirdly making
• 35:50
  it like is it canon then oh what like uh prudence
• 35:55
  the castle manager i don't understand it's so
• 35:58
  strange and like i did actually look this up
• 36:01
  and the director was saying stuff like uh we
• 36:03
  want to do our own thing But we wanted to honour,
• 36:06
  like, if any of the kids or the fans had watched,
• 36:08
  like, the second one. We kind of wanted to honour
• 36:09
  them, so we put some bits in. It's like, yeah,
• 36:11
  that's fine, but, like, it's more confusing now
• 36:14
  than anything. Oh, it just, oh, it's so weird.
• 36:17
  Admit it was a failure and just call this one
• 36:19
  Cinderella 2 instead. You cowards. You fucking
• 36:22
  cowards. And you'd actually... benefit more from
• 36:26
  not having seen the second one because if you
• 36:28
  haven't seen the second one it's just there's
• 36:29
  a snippety woman you don't think anything of
• 36:31
  it whereas because we endured that film we're
• 36:33
  like what so yeah we get um a fun moment where
• 36:37
  cinderella cinderella introduces herself as a
• 36:41
  rat catcher or a mouse catcher she's traveling
• 36:46
  with jacques and gus gus that they're all going
• 36:49
  into the castle together. The two mice are, like,
• 36:53
  helping her out. She says, I'm the royal mouse
• 36:55
  catcher. Gus turns around and is like, what the
• 36:57
  fuck? And then as... Traitor! Yeah! As this lady
• 37:03
  is looking away, Cinderella, like, it feels so
• 37:07
  natural. She, like, peeks behind them at the
• 37:10
  mice and is like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah,
• 37:12
  does, like, the neck cut thing. Yeah, she does
• 37:15
  the neck cut. She's like, you're dead, mouse.
• 37:20
  What is it called? Where you, like, shake your
• 37:21
  hand in front of your neck as in, like, no, no,
• 37:23
  no, no, no. Like, just like a no. Not a neck,
• 37:26
  like, dragged it across the neck, like, I'm gonna
• 37:29
  slit your throat, cuz. Flashpoint changes a lot
• 37:33
  of things. It really does. I really like that.
• 37:36
  It's also just really nice that she'd take time
• 37:39
  and just reassure these mice. Yeah, exactly.
• 37:42
  She, like, she just makes, and that's who Cinderella
• 37:45
  is, and we didn't really get that in the second
• 37:47
  one. like she had her moments of being nice and
• 37:50
  all of that but in this she's caring she's lovely
• 37:54
  and that's what cinderella is she's just a nice
• 37:58
  person yeah and um she's not really a main character
• 38:02
  in the second one but this is her movie again
• 38:05
  and uh it gives you a lot more time with her
• 38:07
  and like i said at the beginning every character
• 38:10
  gets more development and One of the things I
• 38:13
  like that Cinderella's doing here is a lot of
• 38:15
  the time she's standing up for herself. Like,
• 38:16
  I don't think the one we got in the first movie
• 38:18
  necessarily would have gone to the castle even
• 38:21
  to begin with. I think she might have just been
• 38:23
  like, that sucks. Whereas this one, she's a bit
• 38:26
  more like backboned, I guess. Yeah, she can stand
• 38:29
  up for herself. She's a lot more willing and
• 38:32
  able to fight in her corner for herself and for
• 38:36
  her friends. Also, you say that... She wasn't
• 38:39
  the main character in the second. She wasn't
• 38:41
  the main character in the first either. That's
• 38:43
  true. This is the first film with the most, like,
• 38:47
  so much Cinderella stuff. It's great. Who would
• 38:51
  have known that if you take out the stupid mice
• 38:56
  from the first one and just focus on Cinderella,
• 39:00
  it would be a good film. But that's what we've
• 39:02
  got here. Number three. It's all about Cinderella
• 39:05
  and it's good. And I actually think if you looked
• 39:08
  at the first episode we did and then this one,
• 39:10
  our attitudes to Jacques and Gus the mice, it
• 39:13
  is cut down to just these two in this one, which
• 39:15
  makes it a bit easier to follow. We don't dislike
• 39:18
  the mice. I think in the first one, we were oversaturated
• 39:20
  with them. But in this one, they're used really
• 39:23
  well and their bits are funny, but they don't
• 39:26
  overstay their welcome. They don't take away
• 39:27
  from the plot. They enhance it instead and help
• 39:30
  drive us forward. It's much better. Yeah, they're
• 39:32
  used incredibly well. Cinderella's managed to
• 39:35
  sneak in. She's solid snaked away all the way
• 39:38
  to the top and she gets to this balcony. And
• 39:40
  there he is. It's Prince Charming. Oh, my love.
• 39:44
  How lovely. He's so handsome and he's got a beautiful
• 39:47
  voice. The voice of a Spider -Man. It's still
• 39:50
  him. A radioactive Spider -Man. Love his voice.
• 39:56
  He's great. He's really good in this one as well.
• 39:58
  He gets a lot more to say, which is great. Yeah.
• 40:02
  Yeah, he's good. He matches really well with...
• 40:05
  jennifer hale as well i think they have a good
• 40:07
  like back and forth when they do talk they do
• 40:10
  yeah we mentioned last time they worked together
• 40:12
  on spidey as well oh yeah who was she she was
• 40:15
  black cat who before she was black cat she was
• 40:17
  like felicia hardy who was like a stand -in for
• 40:19
  gwen as well so they get like a lot of play together
• 40:21
  that's fun he's great she's great they're great
• 40:24
  so yeah they're on this balcony and uh she comes
• 40:28
  up and she's like do you remember me and he's
• 40:31
  like no and then so they're chatting and he's
• 40:36
  like we found the glass slipper lady i'm gonna
• 40:38
  i'm gonna marry her tonight and then he's like
• 40:40
  yeah who could forget someone like anastasia
• 40:44
  and then cinderella's like you fucking what mate
• 40:50
  And then the lady from the second one comes along
• 40:52
  and is like, ah, royal mouse catcher, fuck off.
• 40:55
  And they take her away. And just as they're being
• 40:58
  taken away, Cinderella like sticks her arm out.
• 41:01
  She's like, no, it's me. You have to remember
• 41:04
  me. And they kind of touch hands for a second.
• 41:06
  And you can see something in the prince's eyes.
• 41:09
  He's like, what was that? Ah, well, whatever.
• 41:12
  Yeah. And they walk away and they part ways for
• 41:14
  a little bit. It's not like it's... literally
• 41:16
  breaking the spell but it's like it's like a
• 41:18
  memory coming to the forefront yeah because we
• 41:20
  get a bit with the dad as well don't we where
• 41:22
  his dad's talking to anastasia in a fairly nice
• 41:26
  moment to be fair after she's made a goddamn
• 41:28
  fool of herself dancing um because yeah i love
• 41:32
  this touch because the glass slip is too big
• 41:34
  and she's too clumsy she's walking with just
• 41:37
  the one slipper on and you can just hear like
• 41:42
  every time she's making steps like a goddamn
• 41:44
  knight boots on one of her feet so she has a
• 41:46
  bit of a disaster dancing with that on and she's
• 41:49
  clumsy but she has this nice bit with the king
• 41:51
  who also goes like I had a wife and I touched
• 41:53
  her hand and I loved her there's more in depth
• 41:55
  than that yeah there's like a really a really
• 42:00
  nice part that you're skipping over he met his
• 42:02
  wife and they reached for the same seashell and
• 42:05
  their hands touched and that's when he realized
• 42:08
  he loved her and she's passed away now but he's
• 42:10
  always kept the seashell which he wants to give
• 42:11
  to anastasia and it's like a really touching
• 42:14
  moment where you see like oh i guess we're gonna
• 42:15
  get like more anastasia redemption maybe because
• 42:18
  you can see her starting to realize like this
• 42:20
  is nice and i like that these people are treating
• 42:22
  me nice even though i made a fool of myself like
• 42:24
  she's probably been used to a mother just being
• 42:26
  like you made a fool of yourself now go lick
• 42:27
  dirt off the floor yeah yeah so it starts to
• 42:31
  culminate together cinderella catches up to uh
• 42:33
  the stepmother the stepsisters uh something i
• 42:37
  really like in this one as well the stepsisters
• 42:39
  we've got anastasia who's the redhead one she's
• 42:41
  getting a bit more development and this is gonna
• 42:44
  sound almost like a backhanded compliment but
• 42:46
  i do kind of really like that the other step
• 42:48
  sister drizella isn't really getting any development
• 42:51
  but instead she's just turning into a right little
• 42:53
  brother of a villain she's so funny in this there's
• 42:57
  certain sections that she does like stupid little
• 43:01
  bits or whatever like when she says oh yeah a
• 43:05
  stick let's beat her with it she's just so irredeemably
• 43:09
  mean i love her and i love that uh she's always
• 43:13
  mean to like anastasia as well like that's she's
• 43:16
  on your side like there's a line at some point
• 43:18
  where they say like anastasia needs to get a
• 43:20
  beauty sleep tonight and she's like is that gonna
• 43:22
  be enough time the voice actor on her as well
• 43:27
  is so good So sassy and horrible. There is a
• 43:34
  fun little thing with the voice actors as well.
• 43:36
  So Drizella is played by Russie Taylor, who's
• 43:39
  passed away now, unfortunately. And she played
• 43:42
  Minnie Mouse. Did she? Yeah. And Anastasia is
• 43:47
  played by Tress McNeil, who played Daisy Duck.
• 43:50
  Oh my God, that's so cute. What a nice little
• 43:53
  crossover. Yeah. Yeah, they're both, like, really
• 43:57
  good in this role. Oh, while we're just on this
• 44:00
  little, like, thing, Russie Taylor, the Minnie
• 44:02
  Mouse lady, she married the Mickey Mouse actor.
• 44:06
  No way! It's so sweet. Oh, that's lovely. I really
• 44:10
  like that. So we catch up to Gisella and Tremaine
• 44:13
  just being horrible, snidey, nasty people, and
• 44:16
  Cinderella realises that they're... Are they
• 44:18
  Mice Teller? I can't remember. They see the prince
• 44:21
  get hypnotized. Yeah, Cinderella gets upset,
• 44:24
  but she has like a little conference call. So
• 44:26
  she's on her Metal Gear Solid mission and she
• 44:28
  goes into the call with Gus's Otacon. Cinderella,
• 44:32
  did you know Lady Tremaine has a powerful wand?
• 44:34
  What do you mean a powerful wand? It's more powerful
• 44:38
  than Metal Gear. Metal Gear. So they decide as
• 44:46
  a little team to go steal the wand. The mice
• 44:48
  go in to steal the key to unlock the drawer in
• 44:51
  which Lady Tremaine's hid the wand. She's had
• 44:53
  to hide the wand because Drizella uses it to
• 44:55
  change her outfit like she's in Fortnite constantly.
• 44:57
  Oh, God, that's so funny. I don't know if it's
• 45:04
  this bit or later, but just as a little side
• 45:05
  note, there's a bit where... Tremaine goes to
• 45:08
  comb Drizella's hair and she combs up with such
• 45:11
  force and fury that it drags the face model of
• 45:14
  Drizella off of her head. It's like stretching
• 45:17
  up with the hair. It's horrible. She changes
• 45:20
  her back after she's done her Fortnite costume
• 45:23
  change, but purposefully makes her hair like
• 45:27
  proper frizzy. So then she has to comb it. So
• 45:31
  she's done that intentionally just so she could
• 45:33
  hurt Drizella. She's so mean. Ruthless. She's
• 45:36
  so mean. This leads into a really weirdly tense
• 45:40
  bit which I didn't expect in a Cinderella 3 movie
• 45:42
  where Cinderella eventually following the chaos
• 45:45
  that the mice cause and stealing the key she
• 45:48
  goes in and pretends to be a housemaid to clean
• 45:50
  up and you can see Tremaine like stalking her
• 45:53
  a bit and like following her eyeing her up and
• 45:56
  there's this horrible shot where Cinderella's
• 45:58
  scrubbing the floor and there's like a bucket
• 45:59
  of water and Tremaine's in the middle of saying
• 46:01
  something like we wouldn't want this to happen
• 46:03
  and you see her just a silhouette appear in the
• 46:05
  water bucket and she's like isn't that right
• 46:08
  Cinderella it's done with such like such flair
• 46:15
  as well it's so sick it feels like horrible i
• 46:20
  was like oh my god get out of there when she
• 46:23
  gets caught something i really like because again
• 46:25
  jumping back to two we criticize there's a bit
• 46:27
  where anastasia gets caught dating the baker
• 46:29
  by the mother cinderella's like hiding behind
• 46:31
  the corner like oh no but doesn't do anything
• 46:34
  it's like come on man do something yeah in this
• 46:37
  one tremaine catches her and she just does she's
• 46:40
  just like I'm not going to let you get away with
• 46:42
  this and all this stuff. And it sounds so basic
• 46:44
  and stupid. I know how this sounds saying it,
• 46:46
  but like compared to what we got before, that's
• 46:48
  like such a big step forward for the characters.
• 46:51
  Like, yeah, man, you stand up for yourself. You
• 46:53
  get what you deserve, girl. Yeah. She like stands
• 46:55
  on her two feet and she kind of puffs her chest
• 46:57
  out. She's like, no, I beat you. You're an idiot.
• 46:59
  You don't even realise that my mice have the
• 47:02
  wand that are running away right now. But just
• 47:05
  before. I wish she said that exact line. You
• 47:08
  don't even realise that my mice. have the wand
• 47:11
  but right before like right as she's revealed
• 47:18
  as well Drizella's like I didn't realise you
• 47:21
  worked here there's a cute little chase scene
• 47:25
  with the mice versus Lucifer because Lucifer
• 47:28
  the cat gets sent to catch the mice and they
• 47:34
  start using magic and it's very silly. We get
• 47:37
  a horrible, horrible Jack in the Box freak version
• 47:43
  of Lucifer. I hated that. It's the origin of
• 47:48
  the horrible pervert Jack in the Box from Steadfast
• 47:51
  Tid Soldier. From Fantasia 2000. Yeah. Oh, I
• 47:57
  hate that guy. I hate this guy as well. It was
• 48:00
  horrible. They get all the way to the exit. There's
• 48:04
  the prince. He's there. Cinderella's got the
• 48:07
  wand in her hand and she's like, remember me,
• 48:09
  bippity boppity. And then she gets grabbed before
• 48:12
  she could say boo. So she can't break the spell.
• 48:15
  Yeah. It's a dang shame. Tremaine tries to play
• 48:19
  it off like, this diseased maid tried to steal
• 48:22
  my pretty stick. What is going on in your bloody
• 48:24
  kingdom? Lady Tremaine's like, take her away
• 48:27
  and all of this. And Cinderella manages to touch
• 48:30
  the prince again because the prince is like,
• 48:32
  oh, she's not. that bad she's all right don't
• 48:36
  worry about it she was just excitable or whatever
• 48:38
  i don't know and they they touch hands again
• 48:41
  he like looks at his hand and he's like oh lady
• 48:44
  tremaine whispers to one of the guards and she's
• 48:47
  like banish her make sure she doesn't come back
• 48:52
  yeah and then the guard's like hell yeah there's
• 48:55
  a nice little bit there as well where it's such
• 48:57
  a subtle detail which i really appreciate they
• 48:59
  put in but the prince kind of like bumps into
• 49:00
  tremaine as she goes over to cinderella and there's
• 49:03
  a split second where you see lady tremaine's
• 49:05
  face like disgusted by it and i just like this
• 49:08
  detail that like even when it's the prince she
• 49:10
  just thinks everyone is beneath her it's like
• 49:13
  really great like little um detail in the animation
• 49:16
  to really flesh that out she's just horrible
• 49:19
  to everyone and i love it she's like she's so
• 49:23
  mean all she wants is power and like you say
• 49:26
  now that she's got the wand even if she didn't
• 49:30
  have the wand she would do that because she thinks
• 49:32
  she's better than everyone yeah what a what a
• 49:35
  bitch i love her so cinderella's getting banished
• 49:38
  and meanwhile the mice decide to step in they
• 49:40
  decide to explain to the prince what's going
• 49:42
  on which leads to i think your favorite part
• 49:44
  of the movie if i'm not mistaken uh one of one
• 49:47
  of uh i really like this part though the mice
• 49:50
  do a little song and a dance to kind of explain
• 49:53
  to the prince that he's been brainwashed and
• 49:56
  it was actually cinderelly that was at the dance
• 49:59
  but he's been oh you've been brainwashed by lady
• 50:02
  tremaine and as jacques is uh talking about lady
• 50:05
  tremaine he like slicks his hair back and it
• 50:08
  turns into her hair as he's doing the thing it's
• 50:12
  it's very cute it's a really nice scene and then
• 50:15
  there's a great bit of the song as well like
• 50:17
  there's two details i love in the song the first
• 50:19
  one is there's a bit where they explain she's
• 50:21
  gonna get cinderella banished and gus just stops
• 50:24
  the song he's like he's like that he just breaks
• 50:27
  down crying like no no he's like fainting he's
• 50:30
  like no and then the other thing i really love
• 50:32
  is that while they're singing this little thing
• 50:34
  about recapping the movie like the prince is
• 50:36
  like kind of like really intently like stroking
• 50:38
  his chin like yes Yes, yes, this makes sense.
• 50:41
  Interesting. Tell me more talking mice. Also,
• 50:45
  just quickly while we're on Jock as well, I criticised
• 50:48
  him in the last movie for his voice sounded like
• 50:50
  really rotten to me. Yeah. I think the way he
• 50:53
  described it is like, I think as a TV show, they
• 50:56
  wanted one of the mice to sound more human so
• 50:58
  it was easier to understand for kids. But in
• 51:00
  this one... same voice actor crushes it he sounds
• 51:04
  pretty much exactly like he did in the first
• 51:05
  movie they just let him do the mouse ring again
• 51:07
  and he's so much better agreed i think he's great
• 51:09
  i think gus sounded fine in the last one but
• 51:12
  he sounds even better in this one he sounds great
• 51:14
  gus is actually voiced by cory burton who's one
• 51:17
  of the most famous voice actors ever i don't
• 51:20
  know him Oh, you do. You do. He's in Arkham City.
• 51:25
  He's Hugo Strange. He's Count Dooku in the Clone
• 51:28
  Wars. He's Shockwave in the old Transformers
• 51:32
  and Megatron in the new Transformers. Loads.
• 51:35
  Nice. But in Cinderella Land, there's a little
• 51:37
  song and the prince is like, I better take care
• 51:40
  of this. Oh, and the birds come in with the repaired
• 51:43
  glass slipper. Oh, yeah. It's not just the word
• 51:46
  of the mice that he's on. He's got some stone
• 51:48
  cold evidence there as well. Exactly, yeah. And
• 51:52
  he fucks off. And then he opens the door again
• 51:55
  and he's like, By the way, fellas, nice song.
• 51:58
  And then runs away. I love that bit. It's lovely.
• 52:01
  It's so nice. It's really nice. It's so silly.
• 52:04
  He gets my favourite line where he goes storming
• 52:07
  out of the castle. He's like a rabid dog just
• 52:09
  sprinting out. And the king catches up with him
• 52:11
  and he's like, Where are you going? And he's
• 52:13
  like, I have to go. And the king's like, Go?
• 52:14
  But you're about to be married. And the prince
• 52:16
  is like, But the talking mice said it's the wrong
• 52:19
  girl. It's so good. And then it's followed up
• 52:22
  with the king is like, I'm taking another step
• 52:26
  down these stairs. Yeah. And he goes. All right.
• 52:29
  And he fucking jumps out the window. It's so
• 52:34
  funny. I love how much of the back end of this
• 52:36
  movie just chooses chaos. It's nuts. Oh, man.
• 52:39
  It's great. It's so funny. So he's on his way
• 52:43
  to Cinderella. Again, we have to see this poor
• 52:45
  girl just destroyed and heartbroken, slowly walking
• 52:48
  on a ship to get banished from the kingdom forever.
• 52:51
  I don't even know where that ship's going. Germany,
• 52:53
  probably. Or fucking going all the way to Siberia.
• 52:57
  She's going into the gulags. You work and you
• 53:02
  eat beetroot. She will be wearing squirrel slippers
• 53:05
  over there. And she looks so miserable, but thank
• 53:10
  God the prince jumps on the boat and he's like,
• 53:13
  I'm here to save the bloody day. The mice told
• 53:16
  me everything. There's such a good little line
• 53:18
  because me and you both live true to the Cinderella
• 53:21
  supremacy. The mice call us Cinderella and it's
• 53:23
  so cute. Oh yeah. So obviously the only knowledge
• 53:26
  he has of her name is from these mice so he goes
• 53:28
  on one knee and proposes. Will you marry me Cinderella?
• 53:32
  Unbelievable. It's lovely. It's so nice and she
• 53:35
  corrects him and then he's like Cinderella? Were
• 53:38
  you called Ella before and then got covered in
• 53:40
  cinders? And they go back to the castle and it's
• 53:45
  happy ever after. Unless it's not the ending.
• 53:48
  And we're just getting to the best part. So they
• 53:50
  get back to the castle and Lady Tremaine and
• 53:53
  the stepsisters are up in the top room. They
• 53:56
  see Cinderella come down and you see the prince
• 53:59
  explaining and then they point up to the room
• 54:02
  and they're like, Go get them! Arrest them! Banish
• 54:04
  them! And Lady Tremaine's like, I've got an idea.
• 54:08
  So she's basically cast a spell on Anastasia
• 54:10
  to make her look like Cinderella. She's given
• 54:13
  up. She's like, Okay, clearly the spell's only
• 54:16
  going to work to some extent because he's fallen
• 54:18
  in love with Cinderella. So, new plan. We'll
• 54:21
  just get rid of this Cinderella and we'll make
• 54:22
  you Cinderella. And you can tell that Anastasia's
• 54:25
  not happy about it and Cinderella's even less
• 54:27
  happy about it. I'm making my own Cinderella
• 54:29
  with blackjack and hookers. So it's time to dispose
• 54:33
  of old Cinderella so we get the most metal part
• 54:36
  of the movie. In this almost like dark version
• 54:38
  of the fairy godmother spell they cast Cinderella
• 54:41
  into a pumpkin which grows horribly. around her
• 54:45
  it's so gross the animation on it is unbelievable
• 54:48
  it's like she's all crammed in there at first
• 54:51
  and it starts growing and then like a hole appears
• 54:54
  in the middle and her and the mice Stuck in this
• 54:57
  thing as these thorned vines spur from it. And
• 55:01
  it like wraps around the horse and digs in and
• 55:03
  drags this horse screaming towards it. Oh, it's
• 55:06
  horrible. A horrible bit of Cinderella going
• 55:09
  to reach outside the carriage to like kind of
• 55:12
  like calm the horse. And then like the vines
• 55:14
  stop her reaching out and stuff like that. It's
• 55:16
  just so gruesome. And then that dirty little
• 55:19
  cherry on the cake is... Tremaine turns that
• 55:22
  horrible fucking cat Lucifer into a real guy
• 55:24
  and the cat's played by Frank Welko who plays
• 55:28
  Megatron and this is this is where like Frank
• 55:32
  Welko goes from just making cool animal noises
• 55:34
  to fucking Satan like oh my god human Lucifer
• 55:37
  is horrible He never speaks. He's just got this
• 55:42
  horrible cackle and they animate him with such
• 55:45
  glee in his face. It's demented. Such glee to
• 55:49
  be on a horse that's covered in vines, whipping
• 55:53
  the shit out of it as well. He's just being proper
• 55:56
  horrible Lucifer. Going to kill this poor girl
• 56:00
  who used to feed him in the first one. She defended
• 56:03
  him against the dog. Put that cat down. Yeah,
• 56:06
  as a man as well because it'd be easier. butt
• 56:09
  that man down but this entire chase sequence
• 56:12
  is so cool it's so brilliantly animated like
• 56:15
  flashes of oranges and dark colors and the scores
• 56:20
  popping the fuck off it's it's so fun wild and
• 56:24
  i Like you say, it's just this perfect like antithesis
• 56:28
  of the first one. Oh, it's just so good. It's
• 56:33
  filled with action. It's really tense. There's
• 56:36
  genuine like peril for all the characters. So
• 56:40
  Gus is about to be eaten by human Lucifer. Cinderella
• 56:43
  is about to fall off a cliff because Lucifer's
• 56:46
  just going to drive it straight off a cliff.
• 56:48
  Jacques is also there and in peril about to be
• 56:51
  like... He nearly falls off the back of it actually
• 56:54
  because... lucifer like swats him away oh man
• 56:57
  it just it works so well and it's genuinely such
• 57:02
  a good mad max level chase scene it's sick it's
• 57:09
  so cool i didn't expect the film to go to this
• 57:12
  kind of like point and i really enjoyed that
• 57:14
  so yeah they managed to um stop lucifer They
• 57:18
  escape this and they head back to the castle
• 57:20
  where the sham went between fake Cinderella aka
• 57:22
  Anastasia and the prince is taking place or about
• 57:25
  to take place. They get there just as it's like
• 57:28
  that typical like tension of like oh she's just
• 57:31
  at the door and she's getting held up but they're
• 57:33
  about to do the I do's and like it's like she's
• 57:36
  not gonna make it. Instead of just having like
• 57:38
  Cinderella come in and like I object. They instead
• 57:41
  give the floor to Anastasia who realises like
• 57:44
  look I don't like this. She literally says I
• 57:46
  don't. I really like what they're doing for character.
• 57:49
  It felt natural that she'd be at this point of
• 57:52
  the story. She's experienced true kindness from
• 57:55
  the prince in that. She knows what she wants
• 57:57
  with actual love for who she is, not for pretending
• 58:00
  to be Cinderella. And she's just like, enough's
• 58:03
  enough. This is weird now. It's also great because
• 58:07
  it picks up on a couple of things at the same
• 58:10
  time as they're doing the vows. The prince holds
• 58:15
  her hands and then realises, again, this isn't
• 58:20
  Cinderella. So it's like this multifaceted...
• 58:23
  It's like multiple people at the same time would
• 58:26
  say, stop, stop, stop, kind of thing. Yeah, like
• 58:30
  it was never going to work. It was never going
• 58:33
  to work because there was three points of failure.
• 58:36
  Cinderella coming in. the prince realizing it's
• 58:39
  not cinderella just by touch alone and then her
• 58:42
  being like i don't i love it it's so seamlessly
• 58:46
  crafted as well ah i am glad that of all the
• 58:50
  the points it's given anastasia so despite the
• 58:54
  fact that they've decanonized two They kind of
• 58:57
  take that story and they give it a much more
• 58:59
  satisfying take on it where she gets this more
• 59:02
  earned redemption. It's a lot better. Oh, it's
• 59:05
  so good. I really like as well, because obviously
• 59:08
  after the reveal, Lady Tremaine kicks the fuck
• 59:11
  off. She starts casting spells and they're like,
• 59:12
  blah, blah, you're a frog, you're a frog. And
• 59:16
  I like that when she turns to Anastasia, Cinderella.
• 59:19
  in turn now goes in front of her and defends
• 59:21
  her which is just a nice touch. I like that.
• 59:23
  It just fits. I really like this character. She's
• 59:26
  so sweet. She's standing up for her sister and
• 59:29
  she's grown as a person and she can stand up
• 59:32
  for herself as Lady Tremaine is casting this
• 59:36
  spell. Prince Charming stands in front. And he
• 59:39
  draws his sword and the spell gets reflected
• 59:42
  off it and it hits Drizelle and Lady Tremaine.
• 59:46
  They're little toads now. They're maid toads.
• 59:48
  Yeah. In a jail as well. Yeah. I do like that
• 59:52
  they get turned into maids. There's like a little
• 59:54
  post -credit scene where they go back from toads
• 59:56
  to maids and I think that's probably, they probably
• 59:58
  hate that. There's literally a line in the first
• 1:00:00
  song where one of the sisters say, we have to
• 1:00:03
  do chores now and I'd rather be in jail forever.
• 1:00:05
  Oh yeah! I like that they get their worst possible
• 1:00:10
  fate. I have one slight complaint with the climax
• 1:00:14
  for this film. And that is the concept of the
• 1:00:18
  fake Cinderella going to marry Prince Charming.
• 1:00:21
  And the way that Lady Tremaine gets defeated
• 1:00:24
  feels a little bit derivative of Shrek 2. Do
• 1:00:29
  you know what I mean? Fuck, you are so right.
• 1:00:32
  Like, genuinely, it's the same, isn't it? Yeah,
• 1:00:35
  so in Shrek 2, they don't, like, disguise Prince
• 1:00:37
  Charming, but Shrek's taken the potion, so they
• 1:00:40
  use that as an excuse to be like, oh, he turned
• 1:00:42
  into Prince Charming, which is similar. And then
• 1:00:45
  the bit at the end where, like, a fairy godmother
• 1:00:47
  goes crazy and she's casting all the spells and
• 1:00:49
  it gets reflected onto her. Did she turn into
• 1:00:51
  a toad in that as well? She turns into a bubble.
• 1:00:56
  That felt a bit similar to Shrek as well. But
• 1:00:58
  it's not like an entire section of the movie.
• 1:01:02
  It's just like, oh, it's a bit familiar. But
• 1:01:03
  to be fair, the real climax of the movie is that
• 1:01:07
  goddamn pumpkin ride. I'm fine with that. It's
• 1:01:10
  so good. They get sent off to jail and then Cinderella
• 1:01:14
  starts... Oh, no. Whoever's got the wand starts
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  undoing things. Anastasia takes off her Cinderella
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  guise. Which is a really nice reversal of the...
• 1:01:26
  The dress animation, yeah. Oh, I love that. I
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  screamed, I cried, I threw up when that happened.
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  And I think she's also the one that un -petrifies,
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  because I don't know if you mentioned it, but
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  at the beginning, they turn the fairy godmother
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  into stone so they can keep using the wand. But
• 1:01:42
  Anastasia now undoes that so she can come back
• 1:01:44
  and undo the rest of the spell. Well, she doesn't
• 1:01:47
  actually undo the rest of the spell, does she?
• 1:01:48
  She offers to. She says, do you want your old
• 1:01:51
  lives back? And Cinderella and the prince are
• 1:01:53
  like, what? And she's like... ah it doesn't matter
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  i'm going to bed fuck off um happy ever after
• 1:01:59
  happy ever after and there is a little i already
• 1:02:04
  mentioned that little scene in the credits but
• 1:02:05
  there's something else in the credits where they're
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  doing like riffs on different paintings like
• 1:02:09
  the grand duke is the scream painting and in
• 1:02:11
  one of the paintings anastasia's meeting the
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  baker from the bit in the second one which makes
• 1:02:15
  it even more confusing because like is that Where
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  does it take place? I don't understand. It doesn't
• 1:02:22
  work at all. It can't work. I guess it's just
• 1:02:24
  a coincidence. Yeah, it's bizarre. I don't understand,
• 1:02:28
  and I don't want to. No. I'd rather just ignore
• 1:02:31
  that and appreciate this as just its own thing.
• 1:02:34
  Yeah. Well, that was Cinderella, A Twist in Time.
• 1:02:39
  Twas. Twas. There's a couple of bits of trivia
• 1:02:42
  I just want to... quickly touch on for you i
• 1:02:45
  i think i've already brought up most of it to
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  be fair so i've only got two points left but
• 1:02:48
  um one of them is this is sadly disney australia's
• 1:02:51
  final feature the studio was closed and they
• 1:02:54
  auctioned off all the equipment following this
• 1:02:55
  movie which kind of sucks because they did a
• 1:02:58
  really good job on this r .i .p big man and i
• 1:03:02
  want to bring together two of the threads of
• 1:03:04
  little setup for you there so this came out in
• 1:03:06
  2007 In 2005, there was a pantomime thing called
• 1:03:10
  Twice Charmed, an original twist on the Cinderella
• 1:03:13
  story. This, as I mentioned, was on the Disney
• 1:03:16
  ferries. But the plot was that the fairy godmother
• 1:03:19
  loses a wand, Lady Tremaine gets it, and she
• 1:03:22
  undoes time. And it's not the exact same, but
• 1:03:26
  that's a very, very specific premise. This was
• 1:03:29
  two years before this came out, did you say?
• 1:03:31
  Yes. What? What? And I think something that's
• 1:03:37
  even weirder about it is... the director downplays
• 1:03:41
  any knowledge of it and he downplays any connection
• 1:03:45
  between it and he even refers it to i can't remember
• 1:03:47
  the specific example he gave but he he kind of
• 1:03:50
  like references it in the same sort of way as
• 1:03:52
  like you know like yeah two hercules films came
• 1:03:55
  out and they weren't connected but it's just
• 1:03:56
  two people had the same thought at the same time
• 1:03:58
  you kind of like make some references if it's
• 1:04:01
  like one of those kind of things but it's like
• 1:04:02
  no this is the same franchise with the same premise
• 1:04:05
  that's very weird odd yeah even more damning
• 1:04:09
  is like okay maybe he didn't hear of this ever
• 1:04:12
  but the songwriters for the the pantomime were
• 1:04:16
  michael wiener and alan zachary who did this
• 1:04:19
  so it's like i don't know what's going on there
• 1:04:21
  where it's like i don't know like like why don't
• 1:04:25
  you just say like this was inspired by that and
• 1:04:27
  then if it's not inspired by that like how did
• 1:04:29
  that never come up like they worked on it why
• 1:04:31
  did they not mention like hey this is like that
• 1:04:33
  thing we did before and you're like what it's
• 1:04:35
  so strange i don't understand what happened there
• 1:04:36
  do you reckon there's like a conspiracy you know
• 1:04:39
  like how stalin edited out people from pictures
• 1:04:45
  I don't know what word I was expecting you to
• 1:04:46
  say, but I didn't expect it to be Stalin. It
• 1:04:48
  wasn't Stalin. Do you reckon there's a picture
• 1:04:51
  of him like on the cruise that's like so secret?
• 1:04:55
  He's like watching the pantomime and noting things
• 1:04:58
  down. And then the one that we see that he's
• 1:05:01
  not there. He's been erased out of the image.
• 1:05:04
  Like it's a big Disney cover up. In the Mysterio
• 1:05:11
  film, the Spider -Man Far From Home, where there's
• 1:05:14
  Tony Stark stealing his tech and then the quick
• 1:05:16
  shot of Jake Gyllenhaal behind him looking furious.
• 1:05:19
  That's like the pattern of my writer. I just
• 1:05:23
  don't get it. I don't know why they would lie
• 1:05:27
  about this. Oh, that's so bizarre. And it depends
• 1:05:31
  on the production time of this as well, because
• 1:05:34
  I imagine the turnaround on these straight -to
• 1:05:36
  -DVDs is quick. It's probably short, yeah. So
• 1:05:39
  it would have been, he probably saw it and then
• 1:05:42
  was like, we have to get this out now, kind of
• 1:05:45
  thing. When you read, like, there's a few, like,
• 1:05:48
  interviews with him, and when you read it, like,
• 1:05:51
  he's very, he's never mean about it, but he's
• 1:05:54
  like, he literally says in one of them, like,
• 1:05:56
  I have to be careful what I say, but a pantomime's
• 1:05:58
  not really a story. Everything is, like, he's,
• 1:06:01
  like, very much putting that one down. It's like,
• 1:06:04
  what is going on here? What a prick. It's so
• 1:06:07
  strange. Like, he's right, pantomimes do suck,
• 1:06:11
  but, like, there's clearly some connection. Yeah,
• 1:06:15
  100%. Oh, my God, that is... I love that bit
• 1:06:18
  of trivia. That's very fun. That's pretty much
• 1:06:22
  all I had. Oh, amazing. Well, then, Andy, it's
• 1:06:26
  tradition around here that after we've looked
• 1:06:29
  at the sequel, we shove it into our ranking system.
• 1:06:32
  That's right, yeah, we put it in the grinder,
• 1:06:34
  we grind it down. into a big beef patty. And
• 1:06:37
  we shoved that in a DVD case and whatever's on
• 1:06:39
  the DVD case is how much we liked it. Yeah. So
• 1:06:45
  our ranking system, it's four quadrants. It starts
• 1:06:48
  at the very bottom of the bargain bin. This is
• 1:06:51
  something that just goes straight to DVD. It
• 1:06:52
  doesn't even sell at full price. It just goes
• 1:06:54
  on sale immediately. Above that, we've got straight
• 1:06:56
  to video, which is, you know, basically it's
• 1:06:59
  a film. It's fine. It'll entertain your kids.
• 1:07:01
  It's out there, but like... you're watching it
• 1:07:04
  at home you see it on the shelf and you're like
• 1:07:06
  no and then you go to the next set of dvds yeah
• 1:07:12
  you watch it and then you probably don't remember
• 1:07:15
  it uh we've got the diamond edition which is
• 1:07:17
  a little step above that like it's still a straighter
• 1:07:19
  dvd but oh some nice special features it gets
• 1:07:23
  a nice treatment uh this is a decent little film
• 1:07:25
  actually Maybe it has a slip cover on it and
• 1:07:28
  some unique art. And then right above that, we've
• 1:07:33
  got what we like to call the Disney classics,
• 1:07:35
  which is the, this is the section where we put
• 1:07:38
  any film that really should have been theatrical
• 1:07:40
  released. It should be on the same par as the
• 1:07:43
  other Disney classic films. It's the creme de
• 1:07:45
  la creme. So where do you think Cinderella 3,
• 1:07:51
  A Twist in Time belongs on our little ranking
• 1:07:53
  system? Bearing in mind that you have already
• 1:07:55
  told us. Yeah, I kind of did tell you, so I'm
• 1:08:00
  not going to shock anyone. This is a fucking
• 1:08:03
  Disney classic. It's so good. It's so good. Doesn't
• 1:08:09
  deserve to be in any of the others. I did not,
• 1:08:13
  like, there was no point in this that I was like,
• 1:08:16
  this is boring. Yeah. I, and this was controversial.
• 1:08:21
  I think I might like it better than the original.
• 1:08:25
  To be honest, when I watched this, because I
• 1:08:27
  watched this before you, and then even then,
• 1:08:29
  like before we record, we really don't let each
• 1:08:31
  other know our thoughts. I was really worried
• 1:08:35
  that going into this, I was going to have a bit
• 1:08:36
  of a nightmare and we'd have our first disagreement
• 1:08:38
  because I was like, I'm putting this in Disney
• 1:08:41
  Classics. Thank God it hit for you as well. Yes!
• 1:08:46
  I agree. I like Cinderella 1 more than you, and
• 1:08:50
  I still like this more than that. It's so good,
• 1:08:53
  isn't it? Yeah, it feels like it should have...
• 1:08:56
  I know it did get Fiat -recruited here, but it
• 1:08:58
  should have been a worldwide one. This is really
• 1:09:00
  good. They should have been well proud of this.
• 1:09:02
  It's shockingly good, this is the thing. Like,
• 1:09:06
  when you mentioned... That we were going to cover
• 1:09:09
  Cinderella 2 and Cinderella 3. One after the
• 1:09:11
  other. I was like, this is going to be the end
• 1:09:14
  of me. I'm going to die. I nearly did after Cinderella
• 1:09:17
  2. I've been brought back to life. Like, there's
• 1:09:20
  so much. Yeah, I have hope. I have hope for some
• 1:09:24
  of these sequels. Because this is a certified
• 1:09:27
  banger. This is such a good film. Please go and
• 1:09:32
  watch it. I didn't expect it, but I completely
• 1:09:34
  agree. Although I would be curious to find out
• 1:09:37
  how other people agree with us as well. Oh, would
• 1:09:40
  you? Would you now? Would you like some... Do
• 1:09:42
  you want some yummy little letterboxd? Oh, that
• 1:09:44
  would be delightful. That would be absolutely
• 1:09:46
  delightful. What a chaser for this lovely little
• 1:09:49
  meal we've had. So we have a review here from
• 1:09:53
  Stevie. Five stars. And it says, you know what?
• 1:09:57
  Question mark. Fuck you. Name a joke that doesn't
• 1:10:00
  land. Agreed. Yeah. So we've got four and a half
• 1:10:05
  stars from Liam Expert Film. And he says, always
• 1:10:09
  the guiltiest pleasure to watch this. The scene
• 1:10:12
  where the prince dips out through the window
• 1:10:14
  is peak comedy. Agreed. The ending is sweet.
• 1:10:18
  Cinderella and the prince's relationship is nice.
• 1:10:21
  Overall, despite some little moments that made
• 1:10:23
  me cringe, it's still a very worthy sequel to
• 1:10:27
  the original. Four and a half stars. agreed apart
• 1:10:30
  from the cringe part because i don't think there's
• 1:10:33
  anything um no not really uh brooke catherine
• 1:10:37
  gave it five stars said this is how you do a
• 1:10:39
  badass princess agreed yeah oh my god someone
• 1:10:43
  understands me five stars from princess lucas
• 1:10:46
  the evil magic pumpkin carriage is my mad max
• 1:10:49
  fury road We've got three stars from My Gojo
• 1:10:54
  Academia, who says, a Disney sequel that's low
• 1:10:58
  -key better than the original. We've got one
• 1:11:00
  from MILF, five stars. More people need to see
• 1:11:04
  this movie. Do you know what? It's mostly three
• 1:11:08
  stars, but there's 10 ,933 five -star reviews
• 1:11:16
  on this. So it is liked a lot. It does have a
• 1:11:20
  lot of love. I'm reinvigorated for whatever we've
• 1:11:25
  got coming next. Nice. Well, next we have the
• 1:11:29
  sequel to Peter Pan and this is called Return
• 1:11:32
  to Neverland. It's not called Peter Pan 2. They
• 1:11:36
  were like, you know what? You know what the fuck
• 1:11:39
  this is, bitch. I've actually seen this one as
• 1:11:42
  a little kid and I don't remember. I was seven.
• 1:11:45
  I don't remember anything about it other than
• 1:11:47
  one specific scene, which I'm sure I'll get into
• 1:11:49
  next week. Have you got any experience with this
• 1:11:52
  or the original at all? As we mentioned a few
• 1:11:55
  episodes ago, I am not a Peterphile. Yes, that's
• 1:11:59
  right. I do not remember Peter Pan at all. I'm
• 1:12:03
  going to be re -watching Peter Pan. I've definitely
• 1:12:07
  seen it, but... It was probably when I was a
• 1:12:10
  tiny little baby on a VHS and I've not seen Return
• 1:12:14
  to Neverland. So I have no idea what this is
• 1:12:17
  going to be. Yeah, I'm excited. Excited to...
• 1:12:20
  I'm not going to say that. What are you going
• 1:12:23
  to say? Become a pedophile? Yeah! I'm not going
• 1:12:28
  to say that. I'm not. So in the meantime, while
• 1:12:34
  you're waiting for... The return to Neverland.
• 1:12:36
  Where could the folks find us? Well, you could
• 1:12:39
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• 1:12:44
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• 1:12:49
  on there, which is N -A -H space R -U -M -P -H.
• 1:12:54
  Where can they find you, Andy? I'm on Instagram
• 1:12:57
  under Oatmans Movies. That's O -A -T -M -U -N
• 1:13:01
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• 1:13:06
  you so much for our music created by the wonderful
• 1:13:10
  and endlessly talented Joe Turone. Absolutely.
• 1:13:15
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• 1:13:17
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• 1:13:20
  Jordan G. Thank you, Jordan. Love you. If you
• 1:13:23
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• 1:13:25
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• 1:13:29
  we're on TikTok under the same name. I think
• 1:13:33
  it's... I'm going to double check that because
• 1:13:35
  I think it's AfterEver... It's either AfterEverAfterPod
• 1:13:38
  or AfterEverAfterClips. So let me just double
• 1:13:43
  check that. Calm down, James! Yeah, it's After
• 1:13:56
  Ever After Clips. After Ever After Clips on TikTok.
• 1:13:59
  We've also got the YouTube channel, which if
• 1:14:02
  you search for the After Ever After podcast,
• 1:14:03
  we will come up. Yes. There should be a couple
• 1:14:06
  of silly little animations. Oh, they're fantastic.
• 1:14:09
  Which is the little thing that I was talking
• 1:14:11
  about. I've been doing a couple of those and
• 1:14:13
  I need to get some more under my belt. Yeah.
• 1:14:17
  Hope you like them. Let me know if you do. And
• 1:14:20
  if you have any correspondence as well, if you
• 1:14:23
  want to get in touch with us, send us an email
• 1:14:25
  at aftereverafterpod at gmail .com. Yes, please.
• 1:14:30
  We'd love to hear from you. Where are our Cinderella
• 1:14:33
  heads at? Oh, sorry. Cinderella heads. Cinderella
• 1:14:38
  supremacy. Oh, man. Andy? I'll see you after
• 1:14:43
  Ever After. I'll see you after Ever After. As
• 1:14:45
  long as someone doesn't flashpoint this out of
• 1:14:47
  existence. Take care. Bye!