Latest / Pod Save America / 2020: Jay Inslee on climate change and beating Donald Trump

Transcript

2020: Jay Inslee on climate change and beating Donald Trump · Pod Save America

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Dan Pfeiffer, coming to
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: you from New Hampshire, where I just recorded an interview
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: with Washington Governor Jay Inslee, who was one of the many,
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: many Democrats running for president. He was here in the
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: state campaigning. Jon Favreau interviewed him at our live show this.
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: Evening in Concord.
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: But we will be releasing this longer conversation as part
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: of our series of 2020 candidate interviews. It was a
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: great conversation, and I hope you enjoy it. Check it out.
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: Governor, thanks for being here. Yeah, beautiful day to run
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: for president. Aren't they all? I think we picked the
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: right state, too. That's right.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: You were the first ever Positive America live show guest
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: when we were in Seattle.
• 0:59
  Speaker 2: Is that true? Yeah, back in early 2017. Wow, you
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: guys are a tremendous success to me. That's what we
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: tell everyone. It was all because of Governor Inslee.
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: I wanted to start with the issue that you've put
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: at the center of your campaign, climate change. You have
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: billed yourself as the climate change candidate. You've said that
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: what distinguishes you from other candidates is that this is
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: going to be the climate change campaign. What does that
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: mean to you? in terms of how you're running your campaign?
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: How are you different from other candidates when it comes
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: to climate change?
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: Well, number one, I am the only candidate who is
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: saying very specifically and unequivocally that defeating climate change has
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: to be the number one priority of the United States.
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: It has to be the first, foremost, and paramount duty
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: of the next president. And I firmly believe that. I
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: believe the urgency of the moment is unparalleled, and actually
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: in human history, Because we've got exactly one more chance
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: to turn this ship around or our children and our
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: grandchildren are going to live very, very degraded existences. It
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: is an existential threat. That is not an overstatement. The
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: science is clear on this. It is accelerating. It's now
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: starting to touch us where we live. It's burning down
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: our towns like Paradise, California, where I visited. It's flooding
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: the Midwest. I was in Hamburg, Iowa yesterday where a town...
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: It's been there since 1858, never flooded before. Now it's
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: been virtually destroyed. We're having to raise our roads in
• 2:25
  Speaker 2: the seacoast here in New Hampshire. They've got seacoast issues.
• 2:29
  Speaker 2: So everywhere you go, you're learning that this is a
• 2:32
  Speaker 2: beast that has to be confronted. And so we have
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: to have a president to do this. And I am
• 2:38
  Speaker 2: saying unequivocally that it has to be job one because
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: if it's not job one, it will not get done.
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: It takes time. as you know, enormous capital to restructure
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: your economy, and that's fundamentally what we're going to have
• 2:50
  Speaker 2: to do. And so that is a unique position to
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: have said that. It's also unique because I actually believe it. Oh, interesting.
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: It has an added benefit because I truly believe this.
• 3:03
  Speaker 2: I've been working on this for over 20 years. I
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: co-authored a book about it in 2007, helped start the U.S.
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: Climate Alliance Foundation, a couple years ago, and we now
• 3:13
  Speaker 2: have 23 states in that regard, introduced legislation, you know,
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: in 2003. So this has been a longtime pursuit of mine,
• 3:21
  Speaker 2: and I think that I'm uniquely qualified amongst the field
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: to understand from a policy perspective what really needs to
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: get done. And the third uniqueness, and there may be
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: a theme in our discussion, is that Instead of having
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: just talked about this, I've actually done things about it.
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: And we've developed a huge wind industry, $ 6 billion wind
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: industry in our state, in part because of an initiative
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: I worked on. We've built spinoff companies because of my
• 3:48
  Speaker 2: clean energy development fund. We are electrifying our transportation system now.
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: We're going to have 50,000 electric cars on the road
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: here fairly shortly. I just passed 100%. clean electrical grid
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: bill through our house, and I hope to sign that shortly.
• 4:06
  Speaker 2: So that is unique, having been an executive. And I
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: have learned, having been a member of Congress and an executive,
• 4:13
  Speaker 2: that there is a difference between making speeches and actually
• 4:16
  Speaker 2: figuring out the mechanics and the hard work to get
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: something done. So those are three differences that make me unique,
• 4:22
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: What does the Inslee plan to deal with climate change
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: look like?
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: Well, we will be rolling out a very comprehensive plan
• 4:32
  Speaker 2: here in the weeks to come. But I'll give you
• 4:34
  Speaker 2: just a summary, if you will. Bottom line is that
• 4:38
  Speaker 2: we need to have a clean energy economy in the
• 4:40
  Speaker 2: next several decades. And that has to happen. It is
• 4:43
  Speaker 2: a scientific necessity. There is no doubt about this. And
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: the good news is we know we are capable of
• 4:49
  Speaker 2: doing this because we're seeing the beginning of that technological revolution.
• 4:53
  Speaker 2: We're seeing wind turbines in Iowa. And by the way,
• 4:56
  Speaker 2: Trump is wrong. Wind turbines do not cause cancer. They
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: cause jobs, okay? This is about jobs fundamentally. And it
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: is important to say that because this is a unique
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: moment where you have two things happening at the same time,
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: just at the right time. Number one, it's a matter
• 5:16
  Speaker 2: of urgent peril, but it is a matter of tremendous
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: economic promise. So our plan is to build on economic
• 5:23
  Speaker 2: promise of clean energy jobs that are now starting across
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: the nation. we would have a multi-sectoral approach where we
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: basically go and look at our economy and build new
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: clean energy jobs to build this decarbonized system. In transportation,
• 5:40
  Speaker 2: it means we need to electrify our transportation system, which
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: we are doing rapidly, both by some regulatory touch and
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: some incentives to help people finance it. It means building
• 5:50
  Speaker 2: electric charging stations up and down our roads, which we're
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: doing in Washington state. It means doing the R &
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: D that is necessary to continue the development of batteries
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: that are so important to the whole clean energy world.
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: So you need to build a decarbonized transportation system. It
• 6:09
  Speaker 2: means building enormous infrastructure because we know they can't build
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: a birdhouse in Washington, D.C., but we have $ 70 billion
• 6:18
  Speaker 2: of infrastructure and transportation, 70% of which is for public
• 6:22
  Speaker 2: transportation right now, which is low-carbon. So when your transportation
• 6:26
  Speaker 2: system is a dramatic reversal of the huge carbon dioxide
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: emissions that we have now, we need an enormous R
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: & D effort. Our research and development has been pathetic
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: in the past. We spent more money developing one kind
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: of Jeep than the entire clean energy system of the
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: United States. It means going to a fossil-free electrical grid.
• 6:49
  Speaker 2: And as I indicated we just passed a bill a
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: couple days ago that would have 100% electrical grid moving
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: fairly rapidly, and we're closing off our coal-fired plants just
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: in the next several years. And throughout this, 100% clean
• 7:04
  Speaker 2: electrical grid, millions of jobs associated with building everything from
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: wind turbines to solar plants to public transportation, an effort
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: to finance this in part by removing the enormous subsidies
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: that taxpayers are are shackled with $ 27 billion right now
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: go to the oil and gas companies. That needs, that
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: gravy train needs to stop. And throughout this, we need
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: to embed the idea of a just transition. And a
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: just transition means you take care of the victims, frequently
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: communities of poverty and communities of color, to focus our
• 7:36
  Speaker 2: efforts on the first victims, and also help those who
• 7:40
  Speaker 2: are in industries that are going to transition to do
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: the things like we're doing in Centralia in our coal plant,
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: which we have a $ 55 million fund to help the
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: people during that transition. So that's a quick run through
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: the future.
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: So a couple of questions on that, recognizing that you're
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: going to roll the details later on. But do you
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: see your plan as dramatically different, slightly different as the
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: Green New Deal that has been proposed in Congress?
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's very much consistent with the goals
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: of this. And by the way, I think the Green
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: New Deal has been helpful. It's helpful because it's got
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: people talking about climate change. So that's good. It's helpful
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: because it's raised people's ambitions as to the scope of this.
• 8:20
  Speaker 2: And it's helped bring in more people, communities of color
• 8:23
  Speaker 2: and those in all kinds of new communities to see
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: themselves part of this discussion. So I think it's been
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: really helpful. But we all know, including the drafters of
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: the Green New Deal, we're going to have to all
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: work together to develop the policies to actually make it happen.
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: And that's where I come in working with other people
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: to do that. And we're going to have these very
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: specific proposals. And it'll be based on 20 years of work.
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: This is not a, bumper sticker. This is a lifetime
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: work of mine, and I'm excited about rolling it out.
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: So the politics of climate change are very difficult, and
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: they have been for a long time. In your state,
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: this past fall, there was a carbon fee that was
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: on the ballot. You worked very hard to try that
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: and get that elected. The state rejected it in some
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: places and defeated very handily in the rural areas. What
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: did you learn from that defeat that you would apply
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: to effort in an Inslee administration to enact climate change
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: legislation that will require... even if you get rid of
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: the filibuster, someone like Joe Manchin or other conservative Democrats
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: that vote for it?
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: Well, number one, uh, I learned that the, look, you're
• 9:23
  Speaker 2: up against the biggest special interest in world history. Uh,
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: the oil and gas companies put in $ 32 million to
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: defeat this. And as you know, with $ 32 million, you can,
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: you can blow a lot of smoke and create a
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: lot of, uh, uh, discordant and deceptive information. And that's
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: hard to beat at the ballot. Uh, I learned that, um,
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: that the most important renewable energy source in America is perseverance,
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: meaning you can't give up. You just got to go
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: to plan B, C, and D, and that's what we're doing.
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: And the good news is that we have multiple avenues
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: to do that. defeat climate change. It isn't just one
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: policy or you're toast. There's all kinds of policies. And
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: so what we're doing now is we turned right around
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: and developed a policy portfolio of things that if I
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: get them through my legislature, we'll have roughly the same
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: carbon pollution reduction as the initiative would have had. And
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: I'm very excited about getting those things through. The third
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: thing I have learned, and it's not so much about
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: the initiative, is that the jobs you can create here
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: are not just in urban areas. This is a small-town,
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: rural job development program that we're going to be talking
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: about on the trail. So, you know, our carbon fiber
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: manufacturing for electric cars isn't in Seattle. It's in Moses Lake,
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: a small town in central Washington. Our biggest solar panel
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: isn't in Everett, in the Western Courts, in a town
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: of 300 in eastern Washington. This is a job creator
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: in multiple places, and that's important for Democrats. We need
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: to win in the Midwest. We need to do a
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: little better in some of these areas, and this is
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: a great job creator to move forward. Now, you mentioned
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: the filibuster. I don't want to leave the conversation without
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: talking about that. There is absolutely no way to make
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: progress on this without eliminating the filibuster, and that's why
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: I'm have dedicated that and have been saying this for
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: several years and was the first candidate to say that
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: running for president because you really cannot be dedicated to
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: climate change legislation or health care legislation or anything of
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: any dimension unless the filibuster goes. It has been weaponized
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: by Mitch McConnell, and we have to step up to
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: the plate and realize that senatorial privilege needs to go. Now,
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: how do we do it with the Democrats? You might
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: not get a vote at times with maybe one Democrat.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: We've got to pick up a couple more seats to
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: give us a little bigger margin, and the voters are
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: going to have a shot. I think 2020, we have
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: a good reason to believe if we buckle down, we
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: can win more seats. I believe that.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up the filibuster. I want to
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: just run through a couple of similar norm-related proposals that
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: have been talked about on the trail. So, Electoral College?
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: Look, I believe in democracy, and the Electoral College is
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: an artifact of a, the 13 colonies, and it needs
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: to go. We need popular elected officials. And it's kind
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: of the same idea of the reason to get rid
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: of the filibuster. You should have one person, one vote,
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: and don't give whoever wants the status quo one and
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: a half votes in the filibuster or privileged states in
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: the electoral college. So yes. And by the way, we
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: can do this without a constitutional amendment because we have
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: this states agreement where we have states have agreed, and
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: my state is one of them, that if to be
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: bound by the popular vote to cast our electoral votes
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: that way. So this can be done even without a
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: constitutional amendment.
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: Statehood for D.C.
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: And Puerto Rico? I think it's the right thing. I
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: supported it back in, you know, 93, 94, and it's
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: even become more acute as those populations have grown. And
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: you see a little bit why it's necessary when you
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: see how callously indifferent Donald Trump has been to folks
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: who don't look like him. He has two views of that.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: And statehood has been demonstrated why statehood is important so
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: that these Americans can participate in the process.
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: Last one on this topic, changes to the composition or
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: term limits of the Supreme Court.
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the thing we should start with is
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: making sure that that seat that was stolen is regained.
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: And if there is another nomination by a Republican, President,
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: we need to make sure that seat is remedied. Because,
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: by the way, that seat was not just stolen from Democrats.
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: It was stolen from the American people. I would not
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: totally rule out other issues. Amongst all of them, I've
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: heard of any changes in the Supreme Court would be
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: an idea of having rotating members of the Court of
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: Appeals so you'd have a broader group of judges that
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: could sit over time to sort of reduce the politicization.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: But I'm not sold on that yet. Let's make sure
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: we write the way... the first way it is, which
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: is to regain that seat.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: Last week, Senator Sanders introduced the latest version of his
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: Medicare for All legislation. It was co-sponsored by nearly all
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: of your fellow candidates who are currently serving in the Senate.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: What is your reaction to the Sanders proposal, and do
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: you have a Medicare for All or health care plan
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: for your campaign?
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the first thing I would say is, regrettably,
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: Senator Sanders... That bill is going nowhere because he won't
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: come out against the filibuster. And unless you get rid
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: of the filibuster, there's no way major health care reform
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: is going to pass. That's just a reality. So I'm
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: hopeful over time he will follow my lead and join
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: me in saying the filibuster needs to go. My view
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: is that my state is a little bit of a
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: template what we should do on a federal level. We
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: hope to be the first state to embrace a public option.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: I have a bill advancing right now. And we've been
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: very successful. In the implementation of Obamacare, we've had one
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: of the largest drops of uninsured of any state because
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: our implementation has been so effective. And it's one of
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: the things I've learned being governor. You actually got to produce.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: You got to implement. It's not just putting it on paper.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Our opioid efforts have been very, not totally successful, but
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: other people are looking at us for guidance. Then on
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: the federal level, obviously we need universal health care. And
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: I believe the next step ought to be what a
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: Medicare for all who want it Right now, which I
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: think you can pass rather than a 10-year argument, which
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: gives you a lower age for automatic eligibility for Medicare and, crucially,
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: an ability for everyone who wants it to enter into
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: the Medicare system. And I think that's the most rapid
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: way that we can make a transition here, together with, obviously,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: bargaining with pharmaceuticals so we can reduce the pharmaceutical costs
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: that people are exposed to.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: And another issue that a lot of discussion on the
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: campaign trail is gun safety laws. And you lost your
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: seat in Congress in part because of votes on gun
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: control laws. What did you learn from that and how
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: would you approach that issue as president?
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Well, what I learned, as you know, I cast one
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: of the pivotal votes during the Clinton administration to ban
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: assault weapons. And when I did that, I knew I
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: was jeopardizing my seat in Congress. And that did happen.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: I was freed for other duties by the voters. And
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: it's painful to lose something you really believe in, which
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: is working in Congress. But what I learned is that
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: you never regret what you do for conviction. And I've
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: never regretted that vote. I've always believed it was the
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: right vote then. I believe it's the right vote now.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: I really had no regrets. And the And the thing
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: that shows there's a little justice in this sorry world
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: is that now I'm governor of a state that has
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: embraced three measures, very aggressive measures, which are actually probably
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: one of the leading states on gun safety now. So
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: we've adopted bans on bump stocks. We've adopted extreme risk
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: protection acts. We've adopted increasing age for assault weapons. We've
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: adopted bills that require gun owner responsibility. So now as governor,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I've been able to move the ball And we are now,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: you know, Frank, the NRA is in retreat in our
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: state because we have a governor who's been able to
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: push back against them with the courage of my convictions.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: And that's working. So I think the country is ready
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: for common sense gun legislation. I'm happy to pursue it
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: as president. And we need somebody with the spine to
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: do it. And I think I've demonstrated I have that capability.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: And I take it from this, you think that politics
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: have changed on this issue since the 90s?
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Yes. There's no question that politics have changed. You know,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: there's kind of a general theme here. I think politics
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: is changing much more rapidly than many politicians understand. It's
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: changed on gun safety dramatically because of the losses in
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: our schools. And I'm willing to confront Trump on this.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: By the way, I went to the White House and
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: personally confronted him after the shootings, and he wanted to
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: arm first-grade teachers with pistols on their hip. And I
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: went and looked him in the eye and said, that's
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: a ridiculous idea. And by the way, you should quit
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: tweeting so much and listen to educators. They're changing on marijuana,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: where we have legalized marijuana in our state, and it
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: has been an unbridled success in a variety of ways.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: They're changing on issues of criminal justice reform, where I
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: now have offered pardons to people who had marijuana convictions,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: and I've ended the death penalty. They're changing on climate
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: change very rapidly because people have seen the destruction. This
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: is no longer just a line on a graph. It's
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: actual seeing cities burn down. They're changing on the willingness
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: of people to embrace helping working people. That's why I've
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: been successful. We've passed the best paid family leave in America.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: We've passed the highest minimum wage. I've been the first
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: person to do the first governor to pass net neutrality.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: We've passed a gender pay equity bill because we have
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: this radical notion that women should be paid the same
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: as men. The point I want to make is I
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: think we need leaders who recognize the foment and the
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: willingness of Americans to move forward. And we've done that
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: in my state. And I think this is a template
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: for success for the United States. All of the things
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I've just mentioned that we've accomplished in Washington, I think
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: we can do federally.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: And what would your approach be that would be different
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: than the one President Obama took to try to get
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: some of those things done? How does that changing politics
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: manifest itself in a strategy to enact these pieces of legislation,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: these policies?
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the things we've done in Washington should
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: be federal policies. And there's a couple that we have
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: not yet passed. that I hope to in the future. Again,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I believe as the politics change, we'll be able to
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: do this. Why could I do this where the incredibly talented,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: amazingly dynamic President Obama could not? It's because we're later
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: in the arc of history. There's more people who want
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: to do it now. And I think we're in that
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: position to recognize that ability to do that.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Another issue that's gotten a lot of discussion on the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: campaign trail is the role that large tech companies have
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: in our economy. You're the governor of Washington State, and
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Seattle's one of the tech centers in America. Amazon is
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: headquartered there. Microsoft's also in your state. If you were
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to be president, you would have regulatory authority over these companies.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: And is Amazon, in your view, too big, too powerful,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: in need of greater regulatory scrutiny?
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: How would you approach these companies? Well, I think that
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: there is a need for some approaches to some of
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: these issues that needs modernization, regardless of the size of
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the company. If you look at internet privacy, for instance,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: we need privacy legislation that will give consumers and users
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: adequate degree of privacy. We need that for small, medium,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: and large companies. And that's why we are moving forward
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: with a privacy bill. Right now, my legislature, it's not
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: a done deal yet. We're working on some kinks. If
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: we get it passed, it'll probably be in the equivalence,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: actually even better, I think, than the California law. And
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I think that that's the kind of thing that we
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: ought to do federally. I think that we have to
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: look at tax policy where we've had tax policies for
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: large corporations, which where they have not simply paid their freight. Now,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: that's most obviously apparent in the oil and gas industry
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: and coal industry, where there's $ 27 billion of subsidy that
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: needs to be eliminated. We need to take that money back,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: not reach into taxpayers' pockets and take it out to
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: give to these companies that have no particular claim to it.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: And that money can be used for clean energy efforts
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: as well. I think that we need to look for
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: ways to not allow large corporations to hold communities hostage
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: on the issue of jobs. And there's been this pernicious
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: practice where communities, a corporation will say, you know, if
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I don't get a tax break of X, I want
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: to move 20,000 jobs somewhere. and then have two communities
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: compete to the lowest common denominator. I think that we
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: ought to think about ways to use the federal tax
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: code to eliminate their ability to do those. I think
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: on the antitrust side, there are some things that antitrust
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: should always be under review because to look at it
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: under the current situation, there might be some things we
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: can look at that. I'm not necessarily a bot. that
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: there should be some just bright line of dollars. I
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: don't think that probably gets to the real heart of
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: the problem in an antitrust sense, which is to really
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: look at what the impact is in that particular industry.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I think that's a better approach on moving forward.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Governor, I also wanted to ask you about another issue
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: involving criminal justice reform and electoral reform. In the state
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: of Vermont, something Bernie Sanders has been talking about recently,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: voting rights are inalienable in that felons do not have
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: to reapply for them afterwards. Is that something that you
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: think should be nationwide? Should voting rights be inalienable in
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: this country?
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Well, in a sense, they are or can be in
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: our state because you just have to apply. And if
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: you've fulfilled your obligation and we've reduced what you have
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: to do at this point to make it achievable, yes,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: we want people when they've done their penance to be
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: able to regain their place in democracy. And that's important
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: to give people respect, to make them feel they're part
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: of the community. And everything we can do to help
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: them get back into jobs is very, very important. We're
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: doing some really good things in my state on criminal
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: justice reform, one of which is banning the box. So
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: right now, unfortunately, a lot of places, you know, in
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: your job application, they ask, have you ever been convicted
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: of a crime? And if you say yes, you never
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: even get a second look. So we've banned that process.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: We have eliminated the death penalty because of the racial
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: disparity that has been so pernicious through our criminal justice system.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I mentioned that I'm the first governor to offer pardons
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: for marijuana convictions because the drug war we know has
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: been one of the reasons for such high rates of
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: incarceration of communities of color. So we're moving forward in
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: a lot of different ways to reduce some of the
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: racial disparity in our system And I'm glad we're moving forward.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I hope we do it federally.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: If you were president, you would obviously have the ability
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: to give out pardons for those sorts of unfair drug-related sentences.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Is that something you would be open to doing as
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: you came into office?
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I would certainly look at this because I think we've seen,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: particularly in the drug war, onerous measures that have created
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: more heartache than they've created safety for citizens. And I
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: think that part of the things I've done on the
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: pardons and legalization of marijuana, which I believe we should
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: do federally, obviously, which I would suggest to people. We've
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: had a very good success on this. We've had no
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: great significant increase for youthful involvement. We've had $ 700 million
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: generated we can use for schools for kids and health
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: care for people. So I would look at that. I
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: think about that. I can't tell you there's any blanket
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: thing I can commit to you right now, but I
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: think it is something worthwhile looking at.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: On the foreign policy side, Bibi Netanyahu won re-election recently, which...
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: poses great, if not mortal, threat to the idea of
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: a peace process and a two-state solution. As president, how
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: would you look to reinvigorate that process and engage with
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: both the Israelis and the Palestinians?
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I'd start with the presumption that I've been a
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: long supporter of a democratic and secure Israel. It's a
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: dream to continue that. And I'd want to be committed
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: to the security of Israel But I'd also be committed
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: to a two-state solution, which Netanyahu's most recent comments have jeopardized.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: And I would be willing to have that creative discussion
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: to try to keep this effort alive to try to
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: get some solution here. And I am willing to have
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: that conversation. And hopefully it's productive. Now, I don't have
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: because no human has a way to snap your fingers
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: and solve this problem. But I think a willingness to
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: have a simultaneously commitment to the security of Israel and
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: a commitment to have a democratic Israel, which is very
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: difficult if you don't eventually end up with a two-state solution,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: to have both of those. So I would be committed
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: to every way productively to try to achieve that.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Another issue the presidents face is– the relationship between presidents
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: and Congress when it comes to using military force.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: And we have been.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Operating off of a now 17-year-old authorization for use of
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: military force from after September 11th to authorize troops in Syria.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: It's now Mike Pompeo has floated a theory that you
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: could use that for conflict with Iran. How would you
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: think as president about the balance between asking Congress for
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: authority and the inherent authority of a commander-in-chief to wage war?
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Well, the first thing is I wouldn't ask for the
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: authority if it was a boneheaded idea. And that's one
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: of the reasons I was such a vocal opponent of
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: the Iraq War.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: See, I teed you out for the Iraq War thing.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Well, it's still a very painful thing because I saw
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: disaster looming. It was clearly based on intelligence that was
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: puffed up. It was based on people who had no
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: concept what they were doing during the Bush administration. And
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: it was very painful to me because I saw this.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: It was like watching a train heading for a canyon
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: where the bridge was out and could not stop it.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: And I did everything I could to stop it. So
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: the first thing I would do was to be appropriately
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: humble on our ability to think that we can reshape
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: cultures and countries. And I think that we've seen quite
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: a number of mistakes in my lifetime where Presidents have
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: been a little bit too conceited about their ability to
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: reshape other cultures. And so I would start there. I
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: do think that in the sanctions for war, that they
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: have to be much more limited. And I voted for the,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: essentially after 9-11, I voted for the authorization. Never dreamed
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: that it would have been to this extent. And if
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: we had our life to live over again, we would
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: have tried to put some more sideboards on it. But
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I think we certainly need to do that right now
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: because of this administration's absolute chaotic, unprincipled, go-it-alone policy that
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: threatens the Iran deal. And if they're seriously thinking of that,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: and you never know what Trump's really seriously thinking about,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: but if they really are, then Congress does need to
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: specifically rein that in. And maybe there's some possibility to
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: do that because some of the Republicans are starting to
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: understand the danger he represents. When you have a Senator
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Grassley calling Trump's view on wind power idiotic, maybe we'll
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: get some help to try to rein in this rogue president.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: You are one of, I think we're at 15, 16
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: candidates running for president. It's a historically large, historically diverse,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: historically talented field of Democrats. As you think about your campaign,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: how do you plan to stand out in a way
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: that allows you to make your case to voters and
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: have a real shot to win this nomination?
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Well, first off, I respect all the other candidates. I
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: think there's probably about 15 of them would make fine
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: vice presidents in their future. So we'll see about that. Well, look,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I stand out in two principal means. Number one, as
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: we've talked about, I'm the only candidate who's committed to
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: make defeating climate change number one. And I think that's
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: a very important thing Because I've learned as a governor
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: to govern as to choose and setting a priority is
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: the most important thing you do as a president. And
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: so I've laid out my prioritization. No other candidate has
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: been willing to commit to that. And I think it's
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: probably because they don't believe it. Or maybe they're just
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: afraid because they listen to their pollsters and think that
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: this isn't important enough. I disagree with them on that.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: In fact, there's a poll in Iowa of Democratic primary
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: voters showing that defeating climate change is tied for the
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: number one priority of voters. So That is a fundamental difference.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: It is a fundamental difference having had the chops to
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: be able to do this because I've been at this
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: for 20 years. And it's a fundamental difference that I've
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: actually achieved progress in my state knowing how to actually
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: get this done. And the deeper one or the additional one,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: because some people said, well, is that the only thing
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: you're running on? I said, no, it's I'm running on
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: the fact that I'm the only executive who's got the
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: best paid family leave. It is. And I've passed the
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: best paid family leave in the United States because I
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: believe very intrinsically that we have to allow working families
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: to be able to have a life. We've passed the
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: best minimum wage. No one else can say that in
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: this race. No one else can say that they signed
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: the first net neutrality bill in the United States. And
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: this is something I worked on in Congress for quite
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: a period of time. Couldn't get it done in Congress,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: but I got it done as a chief executive. We've
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: adopted the gender pay equity bill. No one else can
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: say that they've got one, I don't think, as good
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: as we do. We've done a reproductive parity act. There
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: are a few other states that have that, but I
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: think in this field I'm probably the only one that's
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: passed one as a governor. And I think another point
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: is that I've been able to have some real successes
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: even with the Republican Senate. So we passed a couple
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: years ago the best and biggest transportation package in the
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: history of our state. $ 70 billion worth of work. And
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I did that even with the Republican Senate. We had
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: a similar success on education funding. And through working for
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: a lot of sweat equity to get a bill through,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: we have several billion dollars of additional help, including real
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: big advances in early child education. And this is something
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I've believed in for a quarter of a century. And
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: we've now got slots for an additional 8,000 students. We've
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: had a tuition decrease. We've had one of the most robust,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: richest financial plan for scholarships for our students. And importantly,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: of all the things that I've been able to do,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: one of the, to me, one of the most gratifying
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: is I got 12% pay increases for our educators last year.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: And this is a big deal to me because I
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: think the best thing you need is a good teacher
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: in a classroom. My dad was a biology teacher, so
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I'm a believer in this.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: The first debate's coming up in a couple months here,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and the DNC put in place standards to get into
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: that debate involving polling numbers and an ability to generate
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: contributions online. How is your campaign doing in meeting that threshold?
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: We're still working on it, and as you know, anyone
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: who'd like to help on that, get 65,000 donors, they
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: can go to jensley.com. And I do hope people will
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: think about that, because regardless of who you want to serve,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: We want to make sure climate change is on that
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: debate stage. We want to make sure we've got somebody
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: who's very aggressive on this issue who is never going
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: to let this happen again. We're in the last three
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: presidential cycles. We had exactly four minutes of debate time.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: So if you believe climate change needs to be on
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: that stage, if you can go to jamesley.com, you can
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: send anything from a buck on up, that would be
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: wonderful to make sure that it works.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Do you think the thresholds that DNC set are fair
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: or a good idea?
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: I haven't really thought through that. Whatever they are, they are.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: You know, having some threshold makes sense. I couldn't argue
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: with it right now.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Last question for you, Governor. Democrats very much want, in polls,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: they say they want someone who can win, which is
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: sort of an obvious answer, because why would you want
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: someone who would lose, right?
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: But the ability to, and everyone's going to have their own,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: you know, no one really knows what electability is. Every
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: candidate will have their own argument. Part of whoever the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: nominee is has to be someone who can deal with Trump.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: And there are different theories about how to do that.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of us believe that the
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: approach we took in 2016 obviously did not work. And
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Trump was able to dominate the conversation and drown out
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Democratic messaging. If you were the Democratic nominee, what would
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: be your theory about dealing with Trump as he's giving
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: you some ridiculous nickname? He's tweeting about you. You know,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: you're seeing, you know, absurd, unfair and inaccurate attacks. How
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: would you navigate those waters?
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I know he likes nicknames, but the only thing
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: he's going to call me is Mr. President. That's about
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: all he's going to get to do. Look, I feel
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: very comfortable in a confrontation with him, in part because
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I've already had one at the White House that I described.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: And I think I'm a very good contrast because I
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: am an optimist. Look, I'm an optimist about defeating climate change,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: and I really believe we can and will do this.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: He is a pessimist. I'm a person who believes in
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: the can-do spirit of America. He's in the can't-do. We
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: just can't do this. We can't invent new wind turbines, right?
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: We can't invent electric cars. I'm a person who believes
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: in the expansionist nature of the American story that we
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: have been in a very unique country that has led
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: the world in so many different ways. He just wants
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: to hide from the world and and break up every
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: alliance we have and have a much diminished view of
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: the ambitions of the United States. I'm a person who
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: believes in diversity and inclusion. He believes that diversity is
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: a vice because he's threatened by people who don't look
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: like him. He fundamentally believes that for him to win,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: somebody else has to lose, and that's why he's damaged
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: so much our international relationships. I believe that you do
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: better when you work with other countries. That's one of
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: the reasons I committed to the Paris climate change So
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I think I'm a very good contrast to him as
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: a person in outlook. And I also believe in my
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: ability to win tough races. And one of the reasons
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: is we, this last year, won seven governorships while I
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: was the chair of the Democratic Governors Association. And one
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: of the reasons we won those seats is we insisted
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: on having messages that responded to the desire for economic growth,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: for job growth, for better schools, for better roads. And
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: we addressed that sort of effort that really spoke to
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: some of those people we didn't reach in 2016. I
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: know how to win Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Illinois, and Kansas
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: because we did it this year in the governor's races.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: And I think the kind of message I represent is
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: the one that allowed me to succeed when I started
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: my political career in about a 63% Republican district, an
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: agricultural community in a town of 3,000. where I learned
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: to win because I spoke to people about where they live,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: about their need for jobs. And this clean energy jobs
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: message is fundamentally a job creation message. And I believed
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: that in 2007 when I co-authored this book, which is
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: about how you create clean energy jobs. So I feel
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: very good about the contrast and the prospects of winning this.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: And I think we're going to be a united party,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: and I'd like to carry that flag.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Governor Inslee, thank you for joining us on Pod Save America.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Keep talking. Thank you.