Latest / The Breakfast Club / INTERVIEW: Wale On 'everything is a lot.' Love, Heartbreak, Therapy, Music Business, Being Misunderstood +More
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Every day.
- 0:02Speaker 2: Up we click your breakfast club.
- 0:05Speaker 1: You'll finish for y'all done morning. Everybody is DJ n V.
- 0:10Speaker 3: Just Hilarry Charlamagne the guy. We are the breakfast club.
- 0:12Speaker 3: Laura Roses here, we got a special guest in the building.
- 0:15Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen's indeed, what's up, Lauren something?
- 0:19Speaker 1: How you feeling? I am exhausted?
- 0:23Speaker 4: Uh, your girls stays with Leon and DC and we
- 0:26Speaker 4: drove straight here.
- 0:27Speaker 5: So yeah, year is this for you? How long you
- 0:30Speaker 5: been in the game.
- 0:31Speaker 1: It's like, y'all like fourteen thirteen something like that.
- 0:35Speaker 5: You're thirteen fourteen? What album?
- 0:37Speaker 1: What is myth album? Eighth album? But then you got
- 0:40Speaker 1: mixed and MG compilations, so.
- 0:43Speaker 5: It's a lot so all of that music and to
- 0:46Speaker 5: have delivered your best body of work. How does that feel?
- 0:49Speaker 4: I mean, it's up for debate if it's my best,
- 0:52Speaker 4: but I think it is. But a lot of people's
- 0:54Speaker 4: been saying that. A lot of people just like this
- 0:57Speaker 4: Elsi's top three because they don't want to jump the gun.
- 1:00Speaker 4: But it's good because it's like, I know the artist
- 1:03Speaker 4: that I am, I know what I'm capable of, And
- 1:06Speaker 4: in a weird way, this is kind of like my
- 1:10Speaker 4: first album because well my first album DELO because you
- 1:14Speaker 4: remember attention deficit. I was re mark like I was
- 1:17Speaker 4: just kind of following what I'm doing, what I was told.
- 1:20Speaker 4: Then the MMG stuff, I was really on my own,
- 1:22Speaker 4: but it was under it was in a group, so
- 1:26Speaker 4: it was kind of like, you know what I'm saying.
- 1:28Speaker 4: So this is it feels like my first one. You
- 1:30Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. It feels like an introduction to
- 1:32Speaker 4: a lot of people. Like if you listen to Belly,
- 1:34Speaker 4: it feels like, oh like if somebody was like, yo,
- 1:37Speaker 4: where while they're from?
- 1:38Speaker 1: Or what is he? What he about your belly? And
- 1:42Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, you know what I'm saying.
- 1:43Speaker 4: So having a lot of moments where a new listener
- 1:46Speaker 4: could come in and.
- 1:48Speaker 5: I hate to say it, whoever, whoever the woman is
- 1:50Speaker 5: that broke your heart, Thank you God.
- 1:59Speaker 1: Than make you think that. What makes you think of women?
- 2:02Speaker 1: Broke mind?
- 2:03Speaker 4: Me? Stuff down the album? But you got you got
- 2:10Speaker 4: you gotta tell me what makes it like?
- 2:12Speaker 6: But for me, it always feels like when you when
- 2:15Speaker 6: you get to a certain point in a relationship, you
- 2:18Speaker 6: feel like you fall into hard you like all back
- 2:21Speaker 6: a little bit even before this album, you know what
- 2:23Speaker 6: I mean, Like what.
- 2:25Speaker 4: That's a fair assessment. That's like through the music, that's
- 2:29Speaker 4: a fair assessment.
- 2:30Speaker 5: I feel that off the first song Conundrum, and throughout
- 2:33Speaker 5: the whole album, it's like you want to be in
- 2:36Speaker 5: a relationship like your mother is even stressing like your
- 2:40Speaker 5: when you get me.
- 2:41Speaker 4: I think it's just it feels good to be loved,
- 2:44Speaker 4: like you really do, like like when you're really trying
- 2:46Speaker 4: to like boss up and do your thing like boss up,
- 2:49Speaker 4: it really do feel.
- 2:50Speaker 1: Good to be loved.
- 2:51Speaker 4: But then sometimes it's a matter of like like who
- 2:54Speaker 4: who how can you mesh with somebody with this like lifestyle,
- 3:00Speaker 4: but just like oh you got to get up and
- 3:01Speaker 4: go and stuff like that, Like you know what I'm
- 3:03Speaker 4: saying In Conundrum, I mean that ain't nothing, but like
- 3:06Speaker 4: me having a self realization of like damn, like I
- 3:10Speaker 4: really got it takes a lot for me to like
- 3:13Speaker 4: to reheat this hot like you know what I'm saying,
- 3:14Speaker 4: Like like you know what I'm saying, Like I accept
- 3:17Speaker 4: whatever this is with some and some bread quick, But.
- 3:21Speaker 1: Do you love me? Not for real? Do you love me? Damn?
- 3:26Speaker 4: Well, this is quite a conundrum because I don't like
- 3:27Speaker 4: I don't love you, like you know what I'm saying,
- 3:29Speaker 4: like these these awkward situations, cause it's like I'm not
- 3:34Speaker 4: like I'm not a sloppy dude, like I don't be
- 3:37Speaker 4: moving you know what I'm saying, Like if I'm messing
- 3:39Speaker 4: with somebody, like it's you know what I'm saying. But
- 3:41Speaker 4: I also can realize like when in the past, like
- 3:44Speaker 4: five years, like I like one of my exes told
- 3:47Speaker 4: me that I'm just like it's so cold. Is wrong
- 3:49Speaker 4: with like why you so cold? I'm like, I really
- 3:52Speaker 4: come put my finger on that.
- 3:53Speaker 1: I really don't know.
- 3:54Speaker 4: Like, but again, over time I realized, like yo, when
- 3:59Speaker 4: you and your r it's sometimes hard to see anything
- 4:03Speaker 4: but that you know what I'm saying, and you're gonna lose.
- 4:06Speaker 4: You're gonna lose people in your life because they don't
- 4:08Speaker 4: understand I know, you know, like Bruh TV film all that,
- 4:12Speaker 4: Like it's hard to like when you lock in, you know,
- 4:18Speaker 4: it's hard to like have that you know what I'm saying,
- 4:20Speaker 4: Like even if your partner giving you space or whatever whatever,
- 4:23Speaker 4: Like you know what it's like when you locked in,
- 4:26Speaker 4: you locked into the thing. Like when I'm working on
- 4:29Speaker 4: the film stuff I'm working on, and I'm like really
- 4:32Speaker 4: in that flow state, like which could last for like
- 4:34Speaker 4: three weeks, four weeks, I'm not really, I'm not in that.
- 4:38Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
- 4:38Speaker 1: It can't be in the relationship because you.
- 4:41Speaker 3: Up here nine times, this is the same sentiment you
- 4:45Speaker 3: have every time talking about the same young lady that
- 4:48Speaker 3: you would not you worked.
- 4:50Speaker 1: It's it's sim with every relationship, and these are the problems.
- 4:56Speaker 7: There a problem and watching Us though it felt like
- 4:59Speaker 7: you found a because she's just as famous that you
- 5:01Speaker 7: could balance it with and you was into it, but then.
- 5:04Speaker 4: You it can happen. But watching Us is his own part,
- 5:08Speaker 4: Like it ain't. It ain't end on a sad note.
- 5:10Speaker 4: We in Vegas, we were in Paris. It ain't in
- 5:16Speaker 4: on a bad note. So I think this is more optimistic,
- 5:19Speaker 4: my my.
- 5:20Speaker 1: My outlook on it the whole, Like.
- 5:24Speaker 4: There's more optimistic on this project because I'm a little
- 5:28Speaker 4: bit more optimistic and the idea of it.
- 5:31Speaker 1: Okay, So the.
- 5:32Speaker 6: Name of the album is Everything is a Lot? Does
- 5:35Speaker 6: that describe where you are?
- 5:36Speaker 2: Mentally?
- 5:38Speaker 4: We see that shook one book right there, like I
- 5:42Speaker 4: remember like reading it on tour, like brouh, like the
- 5:46Speaker 4: levity of like everything is just crazy right now, and
- 5:49Speaker 4: it's like the way we desensitize for everything.
- 5:54Speaker 1: It's nuts.
- 5:55Speaker 4: Like five years ago we were not even We would
- 5:58Speaker 4: never say like, goa have a pandemic and the Trump
- 6:03Speaker 4: gonna be back. It's gonna be National Guard, Like I
- 6:06Speaker 4: just love these there's National Guard like in front of
- 6:09Speaker 4: places I grew up at.
- 6:11Speaker 1: You know.
- 6:12Speaker 4: That's one, and then two is like, you know, I'm
- 6:15Speaker 4: this weird anominally in the industry, whereas I'm from this
- 6:18Speaker 4: place that I'm the only person really in the in
- 6:22Speaker 4: the black spaces in the industry, and it's like I'm dolo,
- 6:27Speaker 4: like for real, like navigating through it and everybody know
- 6:32Speaker 4: by now like I'm not clique.
- 6:33Speaker 1: I don't really mingle. I'll be in and out the spot.
- 6:36Speaker 1: I'm ana blur. So it's like, you know, everything is
- 6:39Speaker 1: a lot like this. This is who I am.
- 6:41Speaker 4: This is this is like this is good, the bad,
- 6:44Speaker 4: the imperfect.
- 6:46Speaker 1: Wow.
- 6:47Speaker 4: We all literally like try and figure it out. It
- 6:51Speaker 4: don't matter what your tax reckort is. We all literally
- 6:53Speaker 4: try and figure it out because especially the black people,
- 6:57Speaker 4: we don't know what's gonna happen. For real, and we know,
- 7:00Speaker 4: like certain people playing in our face. So it's like
- 7:03Speaker 4: the levity of how much all of that is and
- 7:06Speaker 4: still like trying me personally, trying to navigate through life
- 7:11Speaker 4: like relationships. Where do I want to move? I would
- 7:15Speaker 4: love to move back to DC, but it's too heavy,
- 7:18Speaker 4: it's too much.
- 7:19Speaker 1: I can't go.
- 7:20Speaker 4: I can't even go get my mom from groceries because
- 7:22Speaker 4: it's like, you know what I'm saying. So it's just
- 7:25Speaker 4: the levity of all of it. It's just a it's
- 7:27Speaker 4: a lot.
- 7:29Speaker 5: Well, what song on this album felt the hardest for
- 7:31Speaker 5: you to record emotionally?
- 7:32Speaker 4: Probably Survive, because like I never talk about it, like,
- 7:37Speaker 4: but there was definitely like a like a rewiring in
- 7:40Speaker 4: my brain, like like right after ambition, my you know,
- 7:46Speaker 4: my my cousin died the day after his first born
- 7:51Speaker 4: was born, and I was trying to I was really
- 7:54Speaker 4: trying to weave a lot of that, like, you know,
- 7:57Speaker 4: like make sense of it because it just seemed so
- 8:00Speaker 4: like so I really was going through it think still
- 8:03Speaker 4: to this day. But I never mentioned it on record.
- 8:06Speaker 4: And then my little Man racks, you know, that's my
- 8:12Speaker 4: man square. Oh squirrel not here, squirrel outside, But yeah,
- 8:14Speaker 4: that's eight time.
- 8:15Speaker 1: That's his uncle.
- 8:15Speaker 4: But you know, like I spent a lot of time
- 8:17Speaker 4: with Racks, Like I've really liked you, like how was
- 8:21Speaker 4: Racked like seventeen right sixteen, And you know, I had
- 8:25Speaker 4: him on my hip, and you know, I'm actually learning
- 8:29Speaker 4: from him, learning from me. I had him, Like the
- 8:33Speaker 4: last thing you hear on for Lauren two is his voice.
- 8:35Speaker 4: He'd be like for the city though, And I remember
- 8:38Speaker 4: the songs called Beverly Boulevard and I remember just riding
- 8:41Speaker 4: around Beverly Boulevard eight.
- 8:44Speaker 1: This is young.
- 8:45Speaker 4: It's a nigh from the trenches, like super duper, you
- 8:48Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Young, And he's just like looking
- 8:51Speaker 4: how like And I'm just like, you know, when you
- 8:53Speaker 4: bring people around that don't be around, like people you
- 8:56Speaker 4: might have grown up with. You bring him to like
- 8:58Speaker 4: the nice hotels or whatever, and it kind of gives
- 9:00Speaker 4: you it gets you back excited because we probably used
- 9:03Speaker 4: to it and it's not like that I was feeling
- 9:06Speaker 4: all them feelings like so we had a great connection
- 9:08Speaker 4: and then you know, we got killed like a couple
- 9:10Speaker 4: of months after, you know, and it's just like and
- 9:14Speaker 4: that's not that's not the first time that happened. But
- 9:17Speaker 4: it's like I don't be talking about that in interviews.
- 9:19Speaker 4: I don't talk about in his songs because it's just
- 9:21Speaker 4: like that joint. It'd be too too crazy, Like you
- 9:24Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So I address it and survive.
- 9:28Speaker 4: I address it and survive, and it's like I'm just
- 9:31Speaker 4: giving the people like bro, this is why you might
- 9:35Speaker 4: see me, and I'm not like the most jovial you
- 9:37Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Like it's like and it's NonStop.
- 9:41Speaker 4: I lost like so many people and then even like
- 9:45Speaker 4: Nip like Brah, like he's an artist to most people,
- 9:48Speaker 4: but that's somebody we talked in text. It ain't no,
- 9:51Speaker 4: there's no normal. Nothing nobody can get convince me that
- 9:54Speaker 4: it's normal to be Like coming home one day and
- 9:58Speaker 4: looking at the dude he was texting just yesterday and
- 10:01Speaker 4: got songs with dying on Instagram. Nobody, it's nobody like
- 10:06Speaker 4: it's so but we the fancy sensitized because it's all
- 10:09Speaker 4: chaos and whatever. But like you know, I read Nip
- 10:12Speaker 4: texts like our Texas. You know what I'm saying, Like,
- 10:14Speaker 4: I remember, this is what really sparked the I like
- 10:18Speaker 4: that song, like we tell like, there was immediate person
- 10:22Speaker 4: that we was both in a bad place with and
- 10:25Speaker 4: we was texting and he was like, Yo, they don't know.
- 10:27Speaker 4: They don't know what it's like to pay for caskets
- 10:29Speaker 4: and even mothers that you don't even know, but you
- 10:32Speaker 4: a pillar to the jon't They don't know. They don't
- 10:35Speaker 4: like people don't know. They think it's just like, oh yeah,
- 10:37Speaker 4: lotusly nah man, I got a lot to carry from
- 10:41Speaker 4: where I'm from because they looked to me for a
- 10:44Speaker 4: lot of that and I try to be a hope film.
- 10:46Speaker 4: So like you're seeing your man's die literally on a joint,
- 10:51Speaker 4: you seeing like I got, like I got like fifteen
- 10:55Speaker 4: records with ghosts.
- 10:56Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
- 10:57Speaker 4: That ain't no, that ain't like that do something to
- 11:00Speaker 4: your brain and then when you really know, like what happened,
- 11:04Speaker 4: what like and then put you in a position of like,
- 11:06Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So Survivor was like I
- 11:09Speaker 4: had to take it there for the That's the first
- 11:12Speaker 4: time in my career I really talked about that other
- 11:15Speaker 4: side of what I gotta deal.
- 11:16Speaker 5: With And what about blanco Blanco is I.
- 11:20Speaker 1: Don't I don't think people cracked the code on Blanco.
- 11:22Speaker 4: But that's another thing I learned on this media run
- 11:26Speaker 4: is like, oh, like y'all listen to music different now,
- 11:31Speaker 4: Like I go to these players, I did ninety two
- 11:32Speaker 4: Q and I forgot what about I think it might
- 11:37Speaker 4: have even been Blanco and like they was like, yeah,
- 11:40Speaker 4: it's about just just drinking.
- 11:42Speaker 1: No, this is about like.
- 11:45Speaker 4: Really avoiding avoidant personality disorder. This is about knowing you
- 11:53Speaker 4: got you gotta do this, but you struggle with it.
- 11:58Speaker 4: I you know what I'm saying, You gotta go in
- 12:00Speaker 4: this room and dah da dah like I ain't ever.
- 12:03Speaker 4: I can be in any room. I can handle it.
- 12:05Speaker 4: But it's also like what I gotta do to get
- 12:09Speaker 4: me there? To get me there? Because it's like like
- 12:14Speaker 4: you're always performing, You're always performing because if you're not
- 12:18Speaker 4: happy enough, I'm sure everybody been because we're all on
- 12:21Speaker 4: TV and radio like.
- 12:24Speaker 1: Are you okay?
- 12:25Speaker 4: You're not happy? Why you're not happy? Like, oh, I'm
- 12:26Speaker 4: supposed to I'm supposed to be the entertainment. You know
- 12:30Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like, and that's and that and that's
- 12:34Speaker 4: that that's draining, Like you know what I'm saying. We've
- 12:36Speaker 4: been doing this a minute, Like we like like they're
- 12:39Speaker 4: gonna be like we're dick heare sometimes, but it's like no,
- 12:41Speaker 4: like no, I'm just actually just decompressing them here. So
- 12:45Speaker 4: in these Hollywood spaces, if I'm not like that, they're
- 12:48Speaker 4: gonna say, I'm whatever the narrative is, So let me
- 12:52Speaker 4: get a little bit of lit like so I can kind.
- 12:54Speaker 1: Of like get through.
- 12:55Speaker 4: It's it's kind of like that, and they also like
- 12:59Speaker 4: that being alone, Like I spent so much time by
- 13:03Speaker 4: myself making his albums, Like that's what it is, like
- 13:07Speaker 4: I had to take myself to these places.
- 13:09Speaker 1: You still love it though I love it.
- 13:12Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't I almost wonder if the
- 13:16Speaker 4: juice is worth the squeeze though lately you know what
- 13:19Speaker 4: I'm saying.
- 13:19Speaker 1: To break that down. So you love the music, but
- 13:21Speaker 1: you love them like it's just like.
- 13:24Speaker 4: It gets a little frustrated sometimes when I just know
- 13:28Speaker 4: that like certain people at the level that we at,
- 13:31Speaker 4: they don't got to do nothing, and I just like
- 13:33Speaker 4: I do my work all the time, and it's cool,
- 13:37Speaker 4: like sometimes it's actually fun, like to see y'all because
- 13:39Speaker 4: I ain't seen y'all a minute, or do feel like
- 13:41Speaker 4: kick it, like you know what I'm saying. Sometimes it's
- 13:43Speaker 4: sparked ideas with me. But like man, media it's different now,
- 13:49Speaker 4: like they might backdoor you in an interview and clickbait
- 13:52Speaker 4: you and make you look crazy, like I be wondering
- 13:55Speaker 4: if the juice is worth the squeeze Because.
- 13:56Speaker 1: I like rapping. I'm like, man, I got money, I
- 13:58Speaker 1: got I'm cool.
- 14:00Speaker 4: I could just make songs and just send text text
- 14:02Speaker 4: them out like so you know, I still love the art.
- 14:06Speaker 4: I love writing, I love making music, but like everything
- 14:10Speaker 4: that I gotta do to even get my music heard
- 14:13Speaker 4: is a little frustrating because I was doing like I've
- 14:16Speaker 4: been consistent for so long, and most people when they consistent,
- 14:20Speaker 4: but it's long.
- 14:21Speaker 1: It ain't no question. I seen you.
- 14:23Speaker 3: I've seen you on the press running and I've seen how.
- 14:26Speaker 5: You water get some water waterfall.
- 14:29Speaker 3: I've seen you on a press run and I see
- 14:31Speaker 3: how you feels like a lot of times you're like, yo,
- 14:34Speaker 3: I'm over this.
- 14:34Speaker 1: But then when I you know, I seen you in
- 14:36Speaker 1: Hampton Homecoming. Lauren was with me.
- 14:37Speaker 3: Actually, and I've just seen you your reaction with the
- 14:40Speaker 3: crowd and you performing, It's a different feeling it's a different.
- 14:43Speaker 4: Look, and that's when you have the music versus music business.
- 14:45Speaker 4: The Hampton Joint was really just like damn you love
- 14:51Speaker 4: but even now, like you ain't like it ain't that
- 14:54Speaker 4: because it's like, yo, okay.
- 14:56Speaker 1: Another Monday's business. None of y'all.
- 14:58Speaker 4: Y'all, y'all, y'all ain't nobody but Tupaca Michael jacksona walking
- 15:04Speaker 4: this door.
- 15:04Speaker 1: They impressed nobody in Y're not like.
- 15:10Speaker 5: Y'all.
- 15:12Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I know, I just said impressed.
- 15:16Speaker 1: Y're not impressed, Like y'all this is.
- 15:18Speaker 2: I told you that that.
- 15:19Speaker 1: This is probably what I'm saying.
- 15:22Speaker 4: Is what I'm saying is like nobody gonna come in
- 15:24Speaker 4: here and y'all be like wow, That's what I'm saying.
- 15:27Speaker 4: Like not like like I ain't do my big one,
- 15:30Speaker 4: like but like like, y'all, this is work. You know
- 15:32Speaker 4: what I'm saying. You're not let me laying. The Hampton
- 15:42Speaker 4: Joint was like more like real, like yo, like this
- 15:47Speaker 4: is black left, this is like, this is music. This
- 15:50Speaker 4: is more of a music business setting right now. That's
- 15:53Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
- 15:53Speaker 6: I ain't these niggas know you. I never met you before.
- 15:56Speaker 6: I wanted to meet you right from down the street from.
- 15:58Speaker 5: Where I'm from.
- 15:59Speaker 1: I grew up listening to you now to call you
- 16:01Speaker 1: you know what you like? You like gave me a
- 16:04Speaker 1: hard time on your ascension snsion.
- 16:08Speaker 2: But that's it's a blur.
- 16:20Speaker 1: It's a blur. It's a blurt.
- 16:21Speaker 4: I don't I don't really remember, you know, but right,
- 16:25Speaker 4: but I'm just saying, like again like you was doing
- 16:27Speaker 4: with com jokes.
- 16:30Speaker 1: But I did what I was saying him in the
- 16:32Speaker 1: movie Mark Wahlberg, I'm like, Yo, ship.
- 16:38Speaker 2: Jake, I'm sorry.
- 16:41Speaker 1: Racist a little bit.
- 16:43Speaker 6: They don't look the same, yo, but no.
- 16:47Speaker 1: You know.
- 16:48Speaker 4: But but my thing is that I don't even hard
- 16:49Speaker 4: but none of that. And I just have to say
- 16:50Speaker 4: that because like the vergo on me that was.
- 16:52Speaker 5: Like say, it was the joke.
- 16:54Speaker 1: I don't even know what that's what I'm saying.
- 16:56Speaker 5: Confusing, I don't know, I could.
- 17:01Speaker 4: Never well, it don't matter, no more like it never
- 17:04Speaker 4: I like, I don't, I don't even I just had
- 17:07Speaker 4: to say it because I.
- 17:07Speaker 1: Never mentioned cool. But I love you, I thank you.
- 17:11Speaker 6: And at the same time, I still talk about everybody.
- 17:13Speaker 5: It's just you know, just funny.
- 17:14Speaker 4: The game is the game, you know what I'm saying,
- 17:17Speaker 4: like I've that's one thing I've definitely learned, like post COVID,
- 17:21Speaker 4: like the game is the game?
- 17:22Speaker 5: You remember the joke? Yo? No, I don't remember. I
- 17:29Speaker 5: do want to go back to something just said though
- 17:30Speaker 5: about the Blanco record though, because you said, you know,
- 17:32Speaker 5: trying to ease my mind, trying to trying to ease
- 17:34Speaker 5: my mind, trying to free my mind. Got a three
- 17:36Speaker 5: some with these demons and I need some time, right.
- 17:38Speaker 5: And I always think about, you know, when they when
- 17:40Speaker 5: they have artists, the writer will be alcohol or anything else.
- 17:44Speaker 5: Do you think that people should maybe say, hey, let's
- 17:47Speaker 5: try something else. Maybe.
- 17:48Speaker 1: I mean, I can't speak for everybody else, I can't think.
- 17:50Speaker 4: Well, I definitely always say that I think, uh, somebody
- 17:55Speaker 4: record deals should come with.
- 17:57Speaker 1: Access to a therapist.
- 17:59Speaker 4: Like we was a lot of money, you know, and
- 18:02Speaker 4: a lot of these kids it's coming from super traumatic
- 18:05Speaker 4: they don't even know how much trauma they have in
- 18:07Speaker 4: them and just navigating through this industry like you're gonna
- 18:10Speaker 4: need it because like brother come in talented artists, we
- 18:14Speaker 4: lose young because they're just getting.
- 18:15Speaker 1: Thrust into this.
- 18:16Speaker 4: So you know, I definitely think that's we need to
- 18:20Speaker 4: have some type of mental health like like union with
- 18:25Speaker 4: rappers or musicians, and it should be free to Duke
- 18:30Speaker 4: Gallington uh uh and and uh that's Chappelle. That's where
- 18:34Speaker 4: he went to high school. And Johnny Gill like it's
- 18:37Speaker 4: an art school in DC. And it's like, now Taraji
- 18:41Speaker 4: did something. She did, she gos a wellness thing that
- 18:43Speaker 4: she's doing in the d NV and she they gotta
- 18:46Speaker 4: they literally uh at uh entertainment psychologists in the school.
- 18:53Speaker 4: And I'm like, I think that's so fascinating because it's
- 18:55Speaker 4: like I always wonder what if I had some type
- 18:59Speaker 4: of some some of this knowledge before, I probably would
- 19:01Speaker 4: have carried him when I was in high school, because
- 19:04Speaker 4: I don't think it's in school. So it's like you gotta
- 19:08Speaker 4: take that joint, like you gotta take And he told me,
- 19:12Speaker 4: and like I was just you know, I was I
- 19:13Speaker 4: was doing the principal for the day thing and I
- 19:16Speaker 4: was just sitting in and he was talking about stuff.
- 19:18Speaker 4: He was like, yeah, you know a lot of times
- 19:21Speaker 4: when you perform, you performing three times. You like, you're
- 19:24Speaker 4: performing for yourself, you're performing on stage, and then you're
- 19:28Speaker 4: also performing for the people that need you to be
- 19:31Speaker 4: a certain way when the show is over, like it
- 19:34Speaker 4: don't stop. And he's like, that can cause a lot
- 19:36Speaker 4: of pressure, you know what I'm saying. So once I
- 19:39Speaker 4: heard that me just sitting in the class, I'm like,
- 19:41Speaker 4: this is a very very interesting like thing that's necessary.
- 19:47Speaker 4: And then I'm talking to some of the kids and
- 19:49Speaker 4: I'm like, what makes y'all nervous? What makes y'all? And
- 19:52Speaker 4: all of it was, and he's just like, but they
- 19:55Speaker 4: like jin alpha right in high school?
- 19:57Speaker 1: Right now? Is that still gen z or is alpha?
- 20:00Speaker 1: You know? They was.
- 20:02Speaker 4: I'm trying to learn how they operate, you know, and
- 20:05Speaker 4: they're like a lot of it is the pressure of school,
- 20:10Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. The pressure of like playing
- 20:12Speaker 4: their instrument or doing that, like because it's an art school,
- 20:15Speaker 4: the pressure of getting into college, you know what I'm saying.
- 20:19Speaker 4: So it's just interesting to just see how that joint,
- 20:22Speaker 4: how much like people be thinking that, well, some people
- 20:26Speaker 4: use mental health as like a hook to get something,
- 20:28Speaker 4: but like when that's why, you know, Charlemagne always been
- 20:32Speaker 4: inspirational because it's like I feel like kind of Trojan
- 20:35Speaker 4: Horse the whole, like mental health, Like you know what
- 20:38Speaker 4: I'm saying, and I applied it to like music and
- 20:42Speaker 4: why I'm feeling like I'm feeling, and why I came
- 20:45Speaker 4: in a game as an extrovert, but now I was like,
- 20:47Speaker 4: I rather be by myself. You know what I'm saying.
- 20:50Speaker 4: These are all things that I really couldn't figure out.
- 20:52Speaker 4: So I just feel like it's a good thing that
- 20:53Speaker 4: like if we had a little bit, they don't have
- 20:57Speaker 4: to go, but it should be readily available because like
- 21:00Speaker 4: they need somebody to call. Man, Like, you can't call
- 21:03Speaker 4: your friends from your neighborhood no more because they they
- 21:06Speaker 4: kind of look at you as it, even if they
- 21:08Speaker 4: love you, they.
- 21:08Speaker 1: Look at you different. Do you have somebody to call?
- 21:10Speaker 1: Do you speak to a therapist? And anybody? Try?
- 21:13Speaker 4: Like Bro, I saw I saw one of the first
- 21:15Speaker 4: bills that got from this one. I'm like, and then
- 21:18Speaker 4: and then he wasn't even available. I'm like, do you
- 21:20Speaker 4: just made me cry on his couch?
- 21:22Speaker 1: Bro? Like where you go and left me?
- 21:23Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, You got you want to
- 21:24Speaker 4: with barberstride saying or something like you've moved away, so
- 21:27Speaker 4: it do be It's That's That's one thing that I
- 21:29Speaker 4: will say, like when it comes to that therapy work is.
- 21:33Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit even more difficult when
- 21:35Speaker 4: you're somebody that be on TV or that's well known.
- 21:38Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, because you you know, it's
- 21:40Speaker 4: a look that everybody.
- 21:41Speaker 1: Gee you like that. You know, oh, it's getting in
- 21:45Speaker 1: the fan territory.
- 21:46Speaker 3: So you don't want a comfortable talk because that would
- 21:48Speaker 3: be difficult feeling comfortable as a celebrity to talk to
- 21:51Speaker 3: somebody and knowing that he's gonna keep you up moments
- 21:53Speaker 3: to himself.
- 21:54Speaker 1: I'm I'm, I'm.
- 21:55Speaker 4: That's the thing I'm still trying to find. I'm still trying.
- 21:58Speaker 1: To find it. Like I'm something.
- 22:00Speaker 4: I think it needs to be the exact opposite, like
- 22:02Speaker 4: a white woman or like doesn't know because then it's
- 22:06Speaker 4: just logically putting things together. Or then sometimes I need
- 22:09Speaker 4: maybe it's a black man so he understands the plight.
- 22:12Speaker 4: So it's just deep. It's like a thing that I'm
- 22:15Speaker 4: like trying to figure out.
- 22:16Speaker 5: Put together a team, like you can't you can't just
- 22:18Speaker 5: have one. That's that's something I learned. You can't just
- 22:21Speaker 5: have one.
- 22:21Speaker 4: I learned that in the acting world, like you have
- 22:24Speaker 4: to have different cuaches, like like to get your best.
- 22:27Speaker 4: So I get what you mean, like different, like just
- 22:29Speaker 4: to to like to get everything in one place.
- 22:34Speaker 8: I take that.
- 22:35Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I'll be confused and I
- 22:36Speaker 3: gotta talk to you and then I got to explain
- 22:38Speaker 3: to her what I just told you. And I think
- 22:40Speaker 3: the worst part about the therapy process is damn y'all,
- 22:43Speaker 3: ain't do me like fat joel, y'all let me talk,
- 22:48Speaker 3: nah for let me talk. But like I think the
- 22:52Speaker 3: most intense part of therapy is like finding one and
- 22:58Speaker 3: then like that because because that like you gotta do
- 23:02Speaker 3: you gotta do that session when you unpacked so much,
- 23:05Speaker 3: and it brings you to a crazy like it bring
- 23:07Speaker 3: you like down and it's like I can't do this again.
- 23:10Speaker 4: This one didn't work. I can't do this again. Like
- 23:12Speaker 4: you know, this one was too expensive. I can't do
- 23:14Speaker 4: this again. So that probably runs more people off than
- 23:17Speaker 4: anything else.
- 23:17Speaker 9: I think power and problems. You said you feel like
- 23:20Speaker 9: therapy is extortion.
- 23:22Speaker 4: Yeah, the therapy talks shit. The therapy talk shit for
- 23:25Speaker 4: like backdoor extortion. You're thinking you all heal, but you
- 23:28Speaker 4: really you've gone here, you back on it now, I
- 23:30Speaker 4: go back on that block list. He back on that
- 23:32Speaker 4: black list, You back on that blacklist because me, I
- 23:34Speaker 4: can be y'all can be anything. Me, I gotta be
- 23:36Speaker 4: cautious and I'm on this. I'd rather be single than
- 23:39Speaker 4: double cross ship, because that's that's what it is, all right,
- 23:43Speaker 4: You've got got like my power is being able to
- 23:45Speaker 4: be alone, but my problem is being alone.
- 23:50Speaker 1: The last three months of the album, I was in there.
- 23:52Speaker 4: I was in my little band house, pacing fucking all
- 23:57Speaker 4: types of mister childs bags were all around, Like I'm just,
- 24:02Speaker 4: I'm just, I'm all the way in it, just trying
- 24:04Speaker 4: to get everything out my body, everything out of my
- 24:07Speaker 4: mind and my heart, just going for it like you
- 24:09Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, and that that lonely that lonely
- 24:12Speaker 4: thing is a real thing.
- 24:13Speaker 1: Bro.
- 24:14Speaker 4: Like everybody want to fake kick it with me outside,
- 24:16Speaker 4: but like like, bro, like the real thing when it
- 24:19Speaker 4: all boils down to it, Like who's around my family?
- 24:22Speaker 1: All my family in DC. I'm in LA.
- 24:24Speaker 4: I'm like where you gonna find real? I have to
- 24:27Speaker 4: always talk to black thought about this. I'm like, yo,
- 24:30Speaker 4: like comedians actors to some extent, they hate on each
- 24:34Speaker 4: other too, But like comedians, actors, athletes there's always community.
- 24:39Speaker 4: Hip hop don't got no community. Everybody for theirself. Everybody
- 24:43Speaker 4: is no community, you know what I'm saying.
- 24:45Speaker 1: Like you didn't have community with when you was with MG.
- 24:49Speaker 1: That's that's I don't. I wouldn't consider that community.
- 24:51Speaker 4: That's a crew, just like you have your friends or whatever,
- 24:54Speaker 4: like you can't y'all might not have the same interest,
- 24:58Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like, so for me, unity
- 25:00Speaker 4: comes when y'all have the same interest, y'all have the
- 25:02Speaker 4: same like like somewhat idiosyncrasies and like you got the
- 25:08Speaker 4: same thing. Like y'all all the kind of guy that like, oh,
- 25:11Speaker 4: we all played the trombone and we all we all
- 25:14Speaker 4: do we all do comedy. In comedy, you'll see like five,
- 25:17Speaker 4: you'll see done now with Dave. You'll see fourever comedians
- 25:21Speaker 4: helping them like crafted thing.
- 25:24Speaker 1: It's not really like that in hip hop.
- 25:26Speaker 5: But they all came up together though, Like I always wondered,
- 25:28Speaker 5: like even when I look at y'all from the old
- 25:30Speaker 5: Double XL Freshman coupleless, like you know, even those people,
- 25:34Speaker 5: wh y'all didn't build something there, Na damn when.
- 25:38Speaker 4: They talk to people like that, I didn't know we
- 25:42Speaker 4: were talking about. I came in extrovert. I was ready
- 25:44Speaker 4: to talk to everybody, but I gotta I got a
- 25:47Speaker 4: philosophy or like a conspiracy.
- 25:50Speaker 1: That I think.
- 25:51Speaker 4: I think like around around anywhere from six to like
- 25:55Speaker 4: nine years by that that bubble, something traumatic happen to
- 26:00Speaker 4: every single person in this industry entertainment. That changes you
- 26:04Speaker 4: one way or another. It might make you more optimistic
- 26:07Speaker 4: about you know what I'm saying.
- 26:08Speaker 1: What was that for you? You remember what it was?
- 26:09Speaker 1: It wasn't.
- 26:12Speaker 4: Maybe around the time Shine Drop, I just had my
- 26:14Speaker 4: daughter and I was at her name of ceremony and
- 26:20Speaker 4: I found out I got back door on like like
- 26:25Speaker 4: three million dollars at my child's name is ceremony. I
- 26:29Speaker 4: remember storming out on the phone because I signed something
- 26:35Speaker 4: that was supposed to be something schoolterbron management and then
- 26:41Speaker 4: it ended up doing like a breach for something like
- 26:45Speaker 4: a loophole, and I realized that the lawyer was in
- 26:50Speaker 4: on it, like it was the whole thing, and that
- 26:52Speaker 4: changed me.
- 26:53Speaker 5: Who was you signed to?
- 26:54Speaker 4: It was just a I don't even know if I'm
- 26:56Speaker 4: a lot, you know what I'm saying, Because it was
- 26:58Speaker 4: a lot. You do not trust people yeah, And I
- 27:04Speaker 4: remember I was on literally when Zala was born, Like
- 27:08Speaker 4: I'm literally like in the hospital, like like I was
- 27:13Speaker 4: my baby was like grabbing her.
- 27:17Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying.
- 27:18Speaker 4: I'm literally looking at my phone and I'm like on
- 27:21Speaker 4: shave room for not being able to attend this Barclay show.
- 27:26Speaker 5: Why was you on your phone during the label in
- 27:28Speaker 5: and out?
- 27:28Speaker 3: Man?
- 27:29Speaker 1: There's some things out you don't want to see. But
- 27:31Speaker 1: I was. I was, I was locked in.
- 27:35Speaker 4: But I mean like like it's just like, oh, wile
- 27:38Speaker 4: doesn't he doesn't attend his Barclay show when it really
- 27:42Speaker 4: is you know, it was an active god clausing my
- 27:44Speaker 4: contract that say because she was it was due and
- 27:49Speaker 4: like just like that, like how how ruthless? It was
- 27:55Speaker 4: like I'm bringing life into this world and like seeing
- 27:58Speaker 4: what that? That changed me when Lotus flower Bomb dropped.
- 28:03Speaker 4: You know, I'm grateful for all the success, but like
- 28:06Speaker 4: you know, I submitted the song and when I heard
- 28:09Speaker 4: it on our Heart Every Hour one hour Stimulus package, right,
- 28:14Speaker 4: my voices pitched up. They made a couple of changes,
- 28:17Speaker 4: and I'm like that changed me. But it was a hit, no,
- 28:22Speaker 4: but it changed me because like how could you work
- 28:24Speaker 4: on this song and and then like imagine you tapping
- 28:28Speaker 4: in conversations with somebody and it's like going to the
- 28:30Speaker 4: world and like you had on the radio, was.
- 28:31Speaker 6: Like why do I Yep, it didn't sound like what
- 28:34Speaker 6: it was when you're.
- 28:34Speaker 4: Fins And it just made me again to trust things
- 28:37Speaker 4: and whatever, you know, you know, I mentioned it on
- 28:40Speaker 4: Joe Show, like just even being like, Yo, you're about
- 28:42Speaker 4: to get this award and get up and then you know,
- 28:46Speaker 4: like embarrassment and all of that. Like a lot of
- 28:48Speaker 4: things changed me, like complex leaking the phone, the conversation
- 28:52Speaker 4: we had even though I was lunching a little bit,
- 28:54Speaker 4: but like what company does that? Like like we've all
- 28:57Speaker 4: called a company and cursed them out. They don't post
- 28:59Speaker 4: it things like that, like kind of like you know.
- 29:02Speaker 2: Like everybody was against you.
- 29:04Speaker 4: I mean, coming from DC, there's nobody, Like how could
- 29:08Speaker 4: I not Like it ain't nobody that no ogs from
- 29:10Speaker 4: DC was like, I'm gonna make sure he bro they
- 29:14Speaker 4: you know, there wasn't nobody to go to.
- 29:16Speaker 1: So I I did feel like that.
- 29:19Speaker 5: We've had these conversations before off their man, happiness is
- 29:22Speaker 5: a choice, not justsgarding anything that you've ever been through,
- 29:25Speaker 5: but happiness is. I always tell you, man, you gotta
- 29:28Speaker 5: look at how great a career you've had.
- 29:32Speaker 1: I thank God every day there right now.
- 29:35Speaker 5: But I look at this and I haven't looked at
- 29:36Speaker 5: this Excel freshman class in a long time. But there's
- 29:40Speaker 5: only like one other person.
- 29:41Speaker 1: Who's nah, I get it.
- 29:43Speaker 2: I get it, I get it.
- 29:45Speaker 4: I don't want you to take it that I'm not
- 29:47Speaker 4: happy because like I don't gotta go work and I
- 29:49Speaker 4: don't gotta work in Popeyes. I don't gotta do that.
- 29:52Speaker 4: I've got to do stuff. That's you know what I'm saying.
- 29:54Speaker 4: I understand it's not physically trying, but like right up here,
- 29:57Speaker 4: like it do something to you. It do do something
- 30:00Speaker 4: because I put myself out there. I've been I've been
- 30:02Speaker 4: put out there for fifteen years. Or like you know,
- 30:05Speaker 4: I gotta known album. When I'm above top, I go low,
- 30:08Speaker 4: get low.
- 30:09Speaker 1: You know you want from me? That's that's that's really
- 30:12Speaker 1: what I mean everything. I promise you.
- 30:14Speaker 4: I probably got to thinker scin ninety percent of the
- 30:17Speaker 4: population because what I've been through. I'm not like upset,
- 30:21Speaker 4: but sometimes I like, if you get a thousand things
- 30:24Speaker 4: thrown your way, like one of them going like mess
- 30:27Speaker 4: with you.
- 30:27Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, what's the perfect relationship with
- 30:30Speaker 7: you between the industry and an artist like wile, Like
- 30:33Speaker 7: if it could go the way you think it would,
- 30:35Speaker 7: because what you're describing is people just being business as usual.
- 30:38Speaker 9: I just yeah, get around.
- 30:39Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it's just to be feeling with. But
- 30:41Speaker 4: I just in the perfect world is just like the
- 30:43Speaker 4: art is the is the thing right now, everybody's saying,
- 30:46Speaker 4: I got one of the best albums of the year easily,
- 30:50Speaker 4: and then I wanted to be the best album of
- 30:53Speaker 4: the twenty twenties. Then I wanted to be one of
- 30:55Speaker 4: the best albums of all time. You know what I'm saying,
- 30:57Speaker 4: Like that in a perfect world to be like that,
- 30:59Speaker 4: but like so many other things coming to play, like
- 31:03Speaker 4: we're not you know, an algorithm told y'all that while
- 31:06Speaker 4: they not good, like while they not hot, or while
- 31:08Speaker 4: they's this or whatever. Algorithm told you that. You know,
- 31:12Speaker 4: algorithm told you that they played the next song for you.
- 31:15Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
- 31:16Speaker 1: So we are So I can't battle that I had
- 31:19Speaker 1: a decline.
- 31:20Speaker 5: I had.
- 31:20Speaker 4: I had one of the biggest declines in like seals
- 31:23Speaker 4: nothing tour wise changed, but I had the biggest decline
- 31:26Speaker 4: in sales when it went from uh physical to streaming.
- 31:30Speaker 1: Like it's just like everything.
- 31:32Speaker 4: I stopped hitting one hundred first week once I went
- 31:34Speaker 4: to streaming because I'm.
- 31:35Speaker 5: A high box like everybody else you should.
- 31:41Speaker 1: That's why I start that.
- 31:42Speaker 4: That's why I start belly off or they say the
- 31:44Speaker 4: streams fake the box running this thing. Wait, I can't,
- 31:47Speaker 4: Like I like, I can't. You know, it's dead Internet,
- 31:50Speaker 4: three types shit going on. So it's like I get it,
- 31:53Speaker 4: like you know, I can't, but it's like I can't
- 31:56Speaker 4: even play that game like it's it's a it's a
- 31:59Speaker 4: I feel like it's just slapping the face of who
- 32:01Speaker 4: hurking them. That's crazy, It's just slapping the face when
- 32:04Speaker 4: you know.
- 32:05Speaker 3: Because when they play with your name and you say something,
- 32:07Speaker 3: they say you're emotional, But now you understand why you
- 32:11Speaker 3: take it to heart soul strong.
- 32:12Speaker 4: Because because and then the other thing is like, I
- 32:14Speaker 4: know I know you'll favorite rappers for real, I know them,
- 32:18Speaker 4: and I'm like you think, brah, you think I'm I'm
- 32:22Speaker 4: just honest with my I'm all these guys, like a
- 32:25Speaker 4: lot of these guys be just like they just be
- 32:27Speaker 4: purple like they're not.
- 32:28Speaker 1: It ain't like that, I know you for real.
- 32:30Speaker 4: So it do be frustrating because I'm not trying to
- 32:32Speaker 4: be rob rob whatever. But I'm saying what I say.
- 32:35Speaker 4: I'm I'm honest. I tell you my life. A lot
- 32:38Speaker 4: of people like just you know what I mean. So,
- 32:41Speaker 4: like I look at the industry a certain way, I
- 32:43Speaker 4: look at how it is a certain way.
- 32:45Speaker 5: What did making this album teach you about yourself that
- 32:47Speaker 5: you didn't know before?
- 32:49Speaker 1: Oh?
- 32:50Speaker 4: Man, I took it to the limit. Man, I just
- 32:53Speaker 4: took it to the limit. Like my engineer really really
- 32:56Speaker 4: really good technical and like technic technical cool, but he
- 33:01Speaker 4: don't got that thing that we all got, like you
- 33:03Speaker 4: know that thing like like I'm doing like you listen
- 33:07Speaker 4: to like Blanc or Cornerback going, I'm doing four par
- 33:10Speaker 4: harmonies because I'm like, you know, big Jodysy fans, I'm like,
- 33:14Speaker 4: there ain't no rappers doing no four paromedy.
- 33:16Speaker 1: And I can't even talk to him.
- 33:18Speaker 4: About callback get on up you D'Angelo, Like I can't
- 33:24Speaker 4: because there's a thing and I didn't realize how much
- 33:28Speaker 4: it matters for the engineer to have that you know
- 33:31Speaker 4: what I'm saying, because havn't really we was really having
- 33:34Speaker 4: I had to really teach to.
- 33:36Speaker 1: Him while I'm making an album.
- 33:38Speaker 4: It was it was the this has been the hardest
- 33:40Speaker 4: thing I've ever had to do, like creatively.
- 33:42Speaker 9: Ever bou Mi Wow and Mira on the Bens.
- 33:46Speaker 7: It's kind of like a letter to yourself, Like you're
- 33:48Speaker 7: talking to yourself right with you being so vulnerable and
- 33:52Speaker 7: so honest, and you're saying that like you don't take
- 33:54Speaker 7: it as people like you don't inherit the I'm emotional.
- 33:57Speaker 7: I'm just honest, Why did you? Why did while they
- 33:59Speaker 7: feel like he maybe.
- 34:00Speaker 4: Maybe I am emotionals like you know what I'm saying,
- 34:02Speaker 4: but it's not it's not without it's not without reason.
- 34:06Speaker 7: I'm saying, Well, I'm just saying I feel like in
- 34:08Speaker 7: this in this song, when I'm hearing you talk to yourself,
- 34:10Speaker 7: I'm like, yes, I want him to do this often
- 34:12Speaker 7: because I want more music.
- 34:13Speaker 9: I want him out and about.
- 34:15Speaker 7: But hearing you talk here and right now, it's kind
- 34:17Speaker 7: of like you not letting things get you, but they
- 34:19Speaker 7: are getting to you.
- 34:21Speaker 9: So I'm wondering why.
- 34:21Speaker 7: You decided to put a record like this where you're
- 34:23Speaker 7: kind of basically saying I do need that uplifting sometimes
- 34:25Speaker 7: because you've always said I don't care what's going on,
- 34:28Speaker 7: I just.
- 34:28Speaker 9: Stay away from y'all.
- 34:29Speaker 4: Could we just like I mean, like it's just you know,
- 34:34Speaker 4: you know, black women put me onto man like Manifest
- 34:37Speaker 4: and all that, Like, so I wanted I just wanted
- 34:40Speaker 4: to put in this song for him, like that joint,
- 34:42Speaker 4: Like it's that joint is really just for black men.
- 34:45Speaker 1: They ain't.
- 34:45Speaker 4: They ain't for nobody else. Being on the bands is
- 34:47Speaker 4: for black men. Manifest Like I'm not, I wasn't the biggest.
- 34:52Speaker 4: I'm still not really big on it, but I'm like,
- 34:53Speaker 4: if I'm gonna try it, let me do it in
- 34:55Speaker 4: in the form of a song, you know, like like
- 34:59Speaker 4: and it's like, I'm a mind to myself who inspire
- 35:01Speaker 4: everybody there that's inspiring the youth.
- 35:03Speaker 1: I want to my horn. I'm just clearing it to you.
- 35:05Speaker 4: I know you're just mirrit but my fear is only youth,
- 35:07Speaker 4: Like I'm only scared of Like I'm only fearing myself
- 35:11Speaker 4: and what I'm capable of, you know what I'm saying.
- 35:13Speaker 4: So I just have to speak life into my career
- 35:16Speaker 4: because sometimes it do be feeling like I get left
- 35:19Speaker 4: out of a lot of things that I'm not supposed
- 35:21Speaker 4: to be left out of. So I gotta remind myself
- 35:25Speaker 4: like you deserve everything you do. They just want to
- 35:26Speaker 4: get you in the move. They're gonna try us to
- 35:28Speaker 4: work right. Should have never stopped listening to you, And
- 35:31Speaker 4: that's the inner child in me, Like, should never stop listening.
- 35:33Speaker 4: I should have never stopped listening to the child, the
- 35:38Speaker 4: kid that was bold enough to try rap in DC
- 35:41Speaker 4: and may it like that that he's somewhere inside here
- 35:45Speaker 4: as jaded as I am. He's somewhere inside and I'm
- 35:48Speaker 4: trying to pull it out. I should have never stopped
- 35:50Speaker 4: listening to you.
- 35:51Speaker 5: What made you stop listening to him? Noise Industry, I.
- 35:54Speaker 4: Think we all stopped listening to our inner child sometimes,
- 35:57Speaker 4: like it's like this this game, you know, failure or
- 36:01Speaker 4: like like not reaching your goals. You try to reroute things.
- 36:05Speaker 4: You try like, man, Okay, I'm gonna do it this way,
- 36:07Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it that way. You know what I'm saying, though,
- 36:10Speaker 4: And sometimes when you do that, you lose your in
- 36:12Speaker 4: a child. I hear comedians talk about it all the time.
- 36:15Speaker 1: I hear you know.
- 36:16Speaker 4: Rappers say it in other ways or you can see
- 36:18Speaker 4: it how they've lost their inner child and this industry
- 36:23Speaker 4: would do it to you. Like it's not again, I'm
- 36:25Speaker 4: grateful for my where I'm at, but it's a It's
- 36:29Speaker 4: like playing Madden on like the hardest level, or playing
- 36:31Speaker 4: video game on the hardest level and get harder and harder.
- 36:34Speaker 5: Year.
- 36:35Speaker 6: Have you given up on seeing metric success because on
- 36:38Speaker 6: like you say, this album isn't going platinum no matter
- 36:41Speaker 6: how this shit get done.
- 36:42Speaker 5: I mean, no matter how this shit is done.
- 36:44Speaker 4: Yeah, you see, you see what's happening to me. You
- 36:47Speaker 4: don't want to let it happen to us?
- 36:49Speaker 1: So how.
- 36:52Speaker 4: How deep I go into my work and how the
- 36:57Speaker 4: goals I set for myself? Any man God has go
- 37:00Speaker 4: whatever mine's is? Like yo, like, you see how much
- 37:03Speaker 4: you see how this dun is torturing me as an
- 37:07Speaker 4: as an artist, as a man, as a person, as
- 37:09Speaker 4: a father. Like you see how I was torturing me,
- 37:11Speaker 4: But you like and you lift me up all these times,
- 37:15Speaker 4: and I know I'm not at my best, But you
- 37:17Speaker 4: don't want what's happening over here that break us down?
- 37:21Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Cause again the levity I
- 37:24Speaker 4: talked about, it's heavy for you. See, I see I'm
- 37:28Speaker 4: looking at Instagram, Twitter, I'm looking at TV, I'm listening
- 37:32Speaker 4: to the radio, Like, I see what you're going through.
- 37:35Speaker 1: I don't want it to happen, you know what I'm saying.
- 37:37Speaker 5: But there's also power and words. Why you don't say
- 37:39Speaker 5: you're going platinum.
- 37:40Speaker 4: If I'm if I'm talking to That's why I'm honest,
- 37:42Speaker 4: because if i'm if I'm really talking somebody, if I'm
- 37:45Speaker 4: really like that song is like, Yo, you come home
- 37:48Speaker 4: from the club and like she's like like you can
- 37:53Speaker 4: see that she's kind of over like and I'm like, Yo,
- 37:55Speaker 4: this ain't gonna plat no, how Like it's hyperbole for real.
- 37:59Speaker 4: I think you can't go plotting them. But I'm just saying, like, yo,
- 38:01Speaker 4: like sorry, this ain't going I'm doing my best. I'm
- 38:04Speaker 4: trying to do them possible, and I'm losing my mind
- 38:07Speaker 4: in the process. I'm losing my mind in the process.
- 38:10Speaker 4: He ain't going to plat the no matter what I do.
- 38:12Speaker 6: But you know what I'm saying, I think that's just
- 38:13Speaker 6: the defense mechanism to manage your expectations or your disappointments.
- 38:17Speaker 1: But I mean I understand the layer of where we're
- 38:21Speaker 1: at right now.
- 38:23Speaker 3: You know, I want to know we talk about you know,
- 38:25Speaker 3: you talk about friend groups and people that you can
- 38:27Speaker 3: lean on, right we talk about people are working with
- 38:29Speaker 3: like me, Sharla, Jess Lauren.
- 38:31Speaker 1: We don't hang out with.
- 38:32Speaker 3: Each other outside of the show, but they are people
- 38:34Speaker 3: that I can call upon if I have a problem
- 38:36Speaker 3: or I can give me advice. Do you have that
- 38:38Speaker 3: in the industry where somebody you could say, Yo, I
- 38:39Speaker 3: need that, or what it is you have.
- 38:41Speaker 5: That that nigga be hitting to me? Don't let that
- 38:44Speaker 5: nigga fool you. Nah, we don't hang about you don't
- 38:52Speaker 5: always a shoulder for you to lean I don't.
- 38:54Speaker 6: Invent Sam because he'll laugh right at you.
- 38:58Speaker 1: A little bit of that.
- 38:59Speaker 4: Like I like, like my cousin who passed, I was
- 39:02Speaker 4: just telling me about. I was like, now looking back
- 39:05Speaker 4: on it, I was like I definitely was in the
- 39:07Speaker 4: psychosist for like two weeks at least, because I just
- 39:11Speaker 4: looking back on it, just things I was doing. I
- 39:13Speaker 4: remember I called Kendrick round that time. We talked about
- 39:17Speaker 4: like like we just had that was at that time,
- 39:21Speaker 4: and I remember like like getting ready to have my child.
- 39:25Speaker 4: I talked to cold. That was probably only two times
- 39:28Speaker 4: I really leaned on an industry person, you know.
- 39:32Speaker 8: So.
- 39:33Speaker 4: But the crazy thing is FoST prophets came up the
- 39:37Speaker 4: next day, post came out this very next day after.
- 39:41Speaker 4: But I ain't take it, you know what I'm saying.
- 39:43Speaker 4: But I think, nah, but I mean he said it's
- 39:48Speaker 4: not really about me. But what I mean, all I'm
- 39:51Speaker 4: saying is that that's that's my I love him, that's
- 39:54Speaker 4: my brother.
- 39:54Speaker 1: Whatever.
- 39:55Speaker 4: I just I mean, I think I kind of halted
- 39:59Speaker 4: telling any industry for anything too deep like around that time,
- 40:04Speaker 4: Like I just like, you know what, I don't even
- 40:06Speaker 4: I don't even want to think that they using this,
- 40:09Speaker 4: like you know what I'm saying. So the answers to
- 40:12Speaker 4: that question is no, no, no more no.
- 40:15Speaker 5: What is heartbreak taught you about yourself? And I ain't
- 40:18Speaker 5: even just talking about romantic heartbreak.
- 40:20Speaker 4: I'm talking about you know what crazy, Well, well that's
- 40:23Speaker 4: ster romantic heartbreak a bunch.
- 40:26Speaker 1: Of man it's crazy like because.
- 40:31Speaker 4: Like the ex that told me that I was cold,
- 40:36Speaker 4: like she was definitely right, you know what I'm saying.
- 40:38Speaker 1: And but also.
- 40:42Speaker 4: Like as soon as we broke up, like she got
- 40:44Speaker 4: had a baby. So I'm like, so it's like I
- 40:48Speaker 4: try to like, you know, I don't know if you
- 40:50Speaker 4: have any of year I ever talked to somebody like
- 40:52Speaker 4: for a long time and then like y'all have like
- 40:55Speaker 4: a super small fight with y'all. I never speaking, but
- 41:00Speaker 4: that's happened, and then I thought I was in love
- 41:03Speaker 4: with that person. I'm like, damn, like we just like
- 41:06Speaker 4: like I had like a like about leaving a box
- 41:09Speaker 4: of cereal open and you want to work and never
- 41:13Speaker 4: seen senor again, or you just super on on every
- 41:17Speaker 4: couch in l A like having a time like so I.
- 41:20Speaker 1: Don't know, you know, that's who did all this ship?
- 41:25Speaker 4: Nah, it ain't nobody. How come we're not talking about
- 41:28Speaker 4: where to start? It's watching us where to start? Tomorrow
- 41:32Speaker 4: Today something just as much.
- 41:39Speaker 1: It's just as much sunshine it is. It's rain on.
- 41:43Speaker 4: You know why I made Tomorrow Today is because at
- 41:46Speaker 4: the time there was so many contrived toxic love songs
- 41:51Speaker 4: like just the fake be toxic, And I'm like, whatever
- 41:55Speaker 4: happened to being like Okay, I'm pressed now what what
- 41:57Speaker 4: we're gonna do now? I'm pressed? Cool, what you're gonna
- 42:00Speaker 4: make fun? Of me, because nobody in your phone is me?
- 42:03Speaker 4: So whatever, who you going to tell? Tell your friends?
- 42:06Speaker 1: Yeah? While they pressed off me and still what what's
- 42:09Speaker 1: going on? So I wanted to make it.
- 42:11Speaker 2: I wanted.
- 42:12Speaker 1: I wanted to make a love song.
- 42:13Speaker 3: I just wanted to be because I was pressed with
- 42:15Speaker 3: my wife and I was pressed. And look at you
- 42:17Speaker 3: now with the hundred kids, twenty four years.
- 42:21Speaker 4: Mar man and all them cars and stuff. You got
- 42:24Speaker 4: your partner, I got them right.
- 42:26Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 42:26Speaker 4: So I'm just saying, like tomorrow today like yo, like
- 42:30Speaker 4: I like, yeah, I'm spending.
- 42:32Speaker 1: So what love tricky to dress? Try I play with
- 42:35Speaker 1: my heart.
- 42:35Speaker 4: You're gonna need a man, no glove, the ship being cold,
- 42:38Speaker 4: it's not cold right now. I'm optimistic, So it ain't
- 42:40Speaker 4: who broke your heart all the time. It's like I
- 42:42Speaker 4: seen you ten minutes ago, dropped you off. I really
- 42:45Speaker 4: want to spend and come back. I don't want to
- 42:48Speaker 4: wait till tomorrow. Fuck with you like that.
- 42:51Speaker 5: Oh you in love right now?
- 42:53Speaker 4: Damn, oh oh boy, don't give me no poem.
- 42:58Speaker 5: Yo.
- 42:58Speaker 6: You're in love right now.
- 43:00Speaker 1: Yes, right away.
- 43:01Speaker 3: So whatever happened now, you're go get in trouble and
- 43:02Speaker 3: get back to the crib Now, I don't know.
- 43:08Speaker 4: I don't know if I should answer that. I don't
- 43:12Speaker 4: know if I don't know how to. I don't know
- 43:13Speaker 4: how to answer that question.
- 43:14Speaker 7: What you mean you don't know how to? You're dating
- 43:17Speaker 7: that you would contemplate being in love with, or.
- 43:21Speaker 1: You don't want to put your heart out there. I
- 43:23Speaker 1: think all of the answers is in the album, Like.
- 43:28Speaker 9: No, for sure, I was going to say when you
- 43:29Speaker 9: said to.
- 43:30Speaker 1: Because you actually ya.
- 43:31Speaker 4: Actually y'all actually cooked with the questions because I was like,
- 43:34Speaker 4: I ain't know what y'all really got lyrics and stuff.
- 43:37Speaker 9: It's amusing.
- 43:39Speaker 5: I mean, I'm still I'm even thinking about the nunderum
- 43:42Speaker 5: when you start off, my baby mother told her new
- 43:44Speaker 5: husband she had to move on.
- 43:46Speaker 9: She was ready to be a wife.
- 43:48Speaker 4: She's trying to be a wife, and we've been fighting
- 43:49Speaker 4: for too long. But that's the price. That's the price
- 43:52Speaker 4: of his life. I pray for GUIDs in and coupons.
- 43:55Speaker 4: Sh is expensive on your heart. I can't say nothing.
- 43:59Speaker 4: I can't and and uh damn, okay, here's a little
- 44:04Speaker 4: bit that I'll say that I won't turn away. The
- 44:09Speaker 4: original line was my baby mother told me she loved me,
- 44:13Speaker 4: but got to move on.
- 44:14Speaker 1: I was like why and now the hallelujah.
- 44:18Speaker 4: Then I changed it to my baby mother, Uh told
- 44:22Speaker 4: me it's fuck me, I'm about to move on.
- 44:25Speaker 1: I was like why.
- 44:26Speaker 4: Then it turned to my baby mother told her new
- 44:29Speaker 4: husband she had to move on. So those are all
- 44:33Speaker 4: the stages and the making his album that had happened.
- 44:37Speaker 4: We already we already we ain't we been not together.
- 44:40Speaker 4: Like you know what I'm saying, She's a great mom.
- 44:41Speaker 4: I don't really got nothing bad to say about her,
- 44:43Speaker 4: like we bump heads, but like great mom, solid woman,
- 44:47Speaker 4: all of these things. Uh, it just didn't work, you
- 44:50Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And I went through all them stages.
- 44:54Speaker 4: Loved you, goodbye you, fuck you, goodbye. Hey, I got
- 45:03Speaker 4: this guy. I'm out. And I will say, like the
- 45:07Speaker 4: craziest thing about it all is like he's a really
- 45:10Speaker 4: good dude, and it's like, Bro.
- 45:12Speaker 1: It could be a it could be a real.
- 45:15Speaker 4: Like learning or teaching a moment for like niggas understand, Like, Bro,
- 45:21Speaker 4: you don't got to be like he not You're not
- 45:24Speaker 4: in the media, opt you know what I'm saying. Like
- 45:27Speaker 4: the dude, the dude does community stuff. He does he's
- 45:31Speaker 4: really good with Zalah.
- 45:33Speaker 1: Like he's just.
- 45:34Speaker 4: Saying, like I could see he's like a nigga as
- 45:36Speaker 4: you could go out and have a drink with like
- 45:38Speaker 4: you can. It's okay to move on in your life,
- 45:40Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
- 45:41Speaker 5: And how long how long after y'all broke up?
- 45:44Speaker 4: I mean, uh, I don't even I don't even know
- 45:48Speaker 4: because I wasn't when it was over.
- 45:50Speaker 1: I just I checked out of that so I wouldn't.
- 45:52Speaker 4: I wouldn't in their business and I never you know,
- 45:55Speaker 4: and then you know, cole parenting is a thing that's
- 45:57Speaker 4: like it's it's different for everybody.
- 46:00Speaker 5: About it is coming up? Did you man?
- 46:05Speaker 4: I might have to come up here with old boy
- 46:07Speaker 4: and and and talk about because it really brou like
- 46:10Speaker 4: if you if like.
- 46:12Speaker 1: You have a child was in my like it do
- 46:15Speaker 1: matter who they be around.
- 46:16Speaker 4: And he's he's just a dude that's like we got
- 46:19Speaker 4: It's almost like I like he get why I couldn't
- 46:22Speaker 4: do it, and I get why he can't, you know
- 46:24Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like he'd be on it like bro
- 46:26Speaker 4: like I get it because you know a lot of
- 46:28Speaker 4: artists too. He'll be like, man, I get it. Like, bro,
- 46:30Speaker 4: you're trying. You just you're doing you. You know what
- 46:32Speaker 4: I'm saying, I'm gonna bring it. I'm gonna bring her over.
- 46:35Speaker 4: Like you know what I'm saying, Oh, this is what
- 46:36Speaker 4: happened at school because I can't even talk.
- 46:40Speaker 1: I can't. It's it's hard for me, my daughter mother to.
- 46:43Speaker 4: Even talks the like we we respect is love.
- 46:47Speaker 1: It was just like it's too much.
- 46:49Speaker 4: So me and slim Be talking and it's like kind
- 46:53Speaker 4: of refreshing because it's like I don't got worry if
- 46:56Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, I don't got worried. And
- 46:58Speaker 4: also like you know, they just had another kid, and
- 47:01Speaker 4: it's like my daughter got brother.
- 47:03Speaker 1: Now that's a that's a new reality for me, Like
- 47:06Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
- 47:07Speaker 4: And he just make he making it easier than it
- 47:10Speaker 4: could it could be really difficult, and you know what
- 47:13Speaker 4: I'm saying, Oh, I'm grateful for that.
- 47:15Speaker 5: What's something you want your child to learn from watching
- 47:17Speaker 5: your journey? Not your music, but just your your life?
- 47:21Speaker 4: Man a lot actually, because it's like she don't she
- 47:25Speaker 4: don't understand, like you know, like when we was growing up,
- 47:29Speaker 4: like we was all really really was we just ain't
- 47:32Speaker 4: have nothing. And you know, you got two immigrant parents
- 47:36Speaker 4: meet it U DC and have me like they trying to.
- 47:38Speaker 1: Figure it out. I just like, how hard, like how
- 47:42Speaker 1: hard I work?
- 47:43Speaker 4: So she don't got you know, like even sniff anything
- 47:48Speaker 4: close to what I had to go through. Oh no,
- 47:51Speaker 4: you know my cousin Banger, the actor, he's on wire
- 47:54Speaker 4: and all that. Like we was, you know, I was
- 47:57Speaker 4: the baby. We always used to walk could we live
- 47:59Speaker 4: in DC that to Maryland And I just remember like
- 48:02Speaker 4: my mom would drop us a banging house and all
- 48:05Speaker 4: of us walking to school.
- 48:06Speaker 1: Like I look back at that.
- 48:08Speaker 4: It's like, bro, we ain't have not tag for real,
- 48:11Speaker 4: like for so long, and it's like our job. You
- 48:13Speaker 4: just trying to make sure like she don't even got
- 48:16Speaker 4: sniffed dad, you know what I'm saying. But sometimes and parents,
- 48:20Speaker 4: and it's crazy because what we do, We got more
- 48:22Speaker 4: money than people our ad parents are, so they getting
- 48:26Speaker 4: these they getting these other environments that we put them
- 48:31Speaker 4: in because we got we got you know what I'm saying, Like,
- 48:34Speaker 4: so it kind of shapes their personality a little bit.
- 48:38Speaker 4: I just think it's kind of crazy, Like you know
- 48:40Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like you know, having no you know.
- 48:43Speaker 1: Private schools and all that exactly.
- 48:47Speaker 4: So yeah, but like I just wanted to have like
- 48:50Speaker 4: like more than what I had, And maybe I might
- 48:53Speaker 4: obsess over it too much because I work crazy to
- 48:56Speaker 4: be like, yo, everything is taken care of, you know
- 48:58Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
- 48:59Speaker 1: But that's a big thing.
- 49:00Speaker 4: I just learned to know how hard I go, and
- 49:03Speaker 4: then when she get to the agent, she find her
- 49:05Speaker 4: passion whatever it is, to understand like, this is this
- 49:08Speaker 4: is what we do in this family.
- 49:10Speaker 1: We work, we go hard, we grind it out.
- 49:14Speaker 5: Beautiful.
- 49:15Speaker 7: The text that you sent your mom, Wow, the album
- 49:18Speaker 7: with all this great praise that the album is getting.
- 49:20Speaker 7: Mom listened to it, did she say you did?
- 49:22Speaker 5: Okay?
- 49:23Speaker 1: My mom is not like she don't like she don't.
- 49:30Speaker 1: I don't. I still don't.
- 49:31Speaker 4: It's just like, Mommy, you don't understand or you don't
- 49:34Speaker 4: really care.
- 49:34Speaker 1: It's one of the other.
- 49:36Speaker 4: But it took a long time in my career for
- 49:39Speaker 4: even to even acknowledge this is a real job, you
- 49:42Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. I think it was when I
- 49:43Speaker 4: met Obama, when I performed at the White House, because
- 49:46Speaker 4: that's that's the biggest picture in the living room now
- 49:48Speaker 4: you've been doing it for that long and that was yeah,
- 49:52Speaker 4: that's crazy, right, But it's like I can't be mad her,
- 49:55Speaker 4: like she my mom had a hard life in Nigeria.
- 49:59Speaker 4: She early got here, like you know what I'm saying.
- 50:01Speaker 4: So it's like sometimes I try to be like get
- 50:04Speaker 4: like juice her up, like mommy, you see what I'm doing,
- 50:06Speaker 4: like ain't you happy? Like and she's just like yeah,
- 50:09Speaker 4: that's nice, like you know what I'm saying the subjects.
- 50:12Speaker 4: So I don't know. I think it's just like as
- 50:15Speaker 4: we get older, like like I just I do be
- 50:17Speaker 4: y'all like want her validation. I ain't really care when
- 50:19Speaker 4: I was younger, like my whatever, like like I still
- 50:22Speaker 4: pay bills and take care of it like y'all, like
- 50:25Speaker 4: wanted her to know, like you know what I'm saying
- 50:28Speaker 4: because I was really bad, like I was really troubled
- 50:30Speaker 4: when I was a child, like I ain't go to
- 50:32Speaker 4: no regular school after second grade, when from second grade
- 50:38Speaker 4: to the last semester of my senior year, I was
- 50:43Speaker 4: in all types of different programs.
- 50:45Speaker 1: Like yeah, do you want to make I just want to.
- 50:51Speaker 4: Be like yo, you like you know what I'm saying,
- 50:53Speaker 4: Like I know it's an orthodox like whatever. But like
- 50:56Speaker 4: see how they see how they react when I go
- 50:58Speaker 4: to Nigeria, Mommy, like you see how whatever. So I'll
- 51:01Speaker 4: be trying to you know, make her. But you know
- 51:05Speaker 4: Nigerian parents, man, they they like that, like a lot
- 51:08Speaker 4: of immigrant parents was like that.
- 51:09Speaker 5: So you mentioned on the album a couple of times
- 51:11Speaker 5: that she basically wants you to get married.
- 51:14Speaker 1: Man.
- 51:16Speaker 4: My brother got my brother like since the last album,
- 51:19Speaker 4: my little cousin whom he met his wife at like
- 51:24Speaker 4: an album release party a long time ago. They married,
- 51:28Speaker 4: got beautiful family. We went to Nigeria, a crazy wedding
- 51:32Speaker 4: and all that stuff, you know Naderians like they five
- 51:37Speaker 4: outfit changes, choreography all that.
- 51:40Speaker 1: You know. It was the time.
- 51:41Speaker 4: Then my brother he getting married out here, kind of
- 51:45Speaker 4: a smaller thing. He wanted to do a low key
- 51:47Speaker 4: but it's like like dang, I went from never been
- 51:49Speaker 4: to a wedding until like some of the close people
- 51:52Speaker 4: in my life getting married and like you know, all
- 51:56Speaker 4: the aunties dead, all the grandmothers they are, like all
- 51:58Speaker 4: the elders dead. And I'm you know, coming in like
- 52:02Speaker 4: it ain't no way I cannot be me, Like you know
- 52:04Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So I'm hearing it from everybody, So
- 52:07Speaker 4: what are you doing? What is your own wife? What
- 52:09Speaker 4: are you doing? Like it became a theme, like and
- 52:12Speaker 4: I'm like literally working on the album while I'm at
- 52:15Speaker 4: these weddings. And it's like I like, all right, I
- 52:18Speaker 4: get it, you know what I'm saying. I get it. Yeah,
- 52:22Speaker 4: But also there is a thing that I hope none
- 52:27Speaker 4: of that, like my elder Nigerian like uncle, I don't
- 52:30Speaker 4: take this wrong with it, but like there's a culture
- 52:33Speaker 4: of well it goes for a lot of immigrant parents,
- 52:36Speaker 4: like they always want to show their friends, Oh look
- 52:40Speaker 4: my son just got married. Look at that wed my son.
- 52:44Speaker 4: There's the doctor, my son just graduated college. Like you
- 52:46Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, They always want to do that.
- 52:48Speaker 4: And you know, I don't know what more. I don't know.
- 52:52Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't think the music shit phases
- 52:55Speaker 4: my you know. So I hear the marriage thing and like,
- 52:58Speaker 4: you know, understand why.
- 53:00Speaker 5: You can't find some money though, because he now, okay.
- 53:04Speaker 4: You know she thinking she'd be thinking like man, she'd
- 53:07Speaker 4: be like trying to put like put blind dates together.
- 53:10Speaker 4: I'm like, Mommy, ain't no way like I'm like, these
- 53:14Speaker 4: girls are finessing you like they know what they trying
- 53:17Speaker 4: to they telling them they're trying to ask. She's like, no,
- 53:19Speaker 4: she doesn't know your famous is it? She's not Jerrying
- 53:23Speaker 4: and she's from Baltimore, Like you know, mommy stopped. We
- 53:27Speaker 4: always gonna happen when it happened, like don't try.
- 53:30Speaker 1: But she was like, yo, this is not ni. Jerry
- 53:33Speaker 1: is nineteen sixty, Like wait, will.
- 53:34Speaker 2: They be finding your mother? First of all?
- 53:36Speaker 1: Like, man, they now she got you know, she got friends.
- 53:38Speaker 1: She be our friends.
- 53:40Speaker 4: Now she keep it low for real, like she keep
- 53:42Speaker 4: it low but like she got you know, church friends
- 53:44Speaker 4: and all that. Okay, oh, like you know, like she
- 53:47Speaker 4: thinks she's doing the right thing.
- 53:48Speaker 1: God bless them.
- 53:49Speaker 9: Are you dating too?
- 53:51Speaker 8: Mary?
- 53:51Speaker 9: Right now?
- 53:52Speaker 1: Yeah? Man? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
- 53:55Speaker 4: I have that realization within these four years, like I drop,
- 53:59Speaker 4: Like I'm like, bro, it's like a lot like because
- 54:05Speaker 4: that that that you find shit that that wears off
- 54:07Speaker 4: in like two weeks. Like then it's like yo, can
- 54:11Speaker 4: we laugh? Can we like can I can we decompress?
- 54:14Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
- 54:14Speaker 4: Can we do we ever? Like what our interests? Like
- 54:16Speaker 4: that keep this jump you know what I'm saying. Can
- 54:19Speaker 4: you understand me if I don't feel like talking for
- 54:21Speaker 4: like a day or whatever, like just be those things
- 54:24Speaker 4: and like you really want again, You want to build,
- 54:28Speaker 4: you want to keep going to whatever. Every all of
- 54:30Speaker 4: us in here got something up then that nobody's complacent.
- 54:33Speaker 4: You gotta find somebody that's like that make you not complacent,
- 54:38Speaker 4: that make you feel like your wife, make you feel
- 54:42Speaker 4: like y'all still in it. Like you gotta pick the
- 54:45Speaker 4: person that's like you really can see yourself really building
- 54:49Speaker 4: with like when things when when babies come, wait, fluctuates
- 54:54Speaker 4: or you know, you around a million perfect joints a day,
- 55:00Speaker 4: like like you know what I'm saying, Like you it matters,
- 55:04Speaker 4: Like don't nobody want to be like having a juggle
- 55:08Speaker 4: about one hundred emotions unless you on that poly ship.
- 55:11Speaker 4: But I don't know, we don't know how that that
- 55:14Speaker 4: if it's that sustainable with that, but yeah, it be
- 55:16Speaker 4: it dating in the.
- 55:17Speaker 5: Marry Nigerian and you don't ever want more than one.
- 55:21Speaker 4: I think that's an old trope. I don't know if
- 55:23Speaker 4: that's it's accurate, but I used to think, like you know, yeah,
- 55:29Speaker 4: maybe every spread like so.
- 55:31Speaker 1: I'm never alone, but I don't know. I don't think
- 55:34Speaker 1: so you don't got patience.
- 55:38Speaker 4: But also a lot of people in that world kind
- 55:40Speaker 4: of like they settle. The women settled like, yeah, he
- 55:44Speaker 4: don't got patience, but I'll take what I can get
- 55:47Speaker 4: type thing you.
- 55:48Speaker 5: Don't want to ask you man, You know, everything is
- 55:50Speaker 5: a lot. I think it's your best body of work.
- 55:51Speaker 5: When I when I heard it a few weeks ago,
- 55:53Speaker 5: I was like, oo, this is classic Wale, Like it's
- 55:55Speaker 5: just like everything that you love about Walle is in
- 55:57Speaker 5: this album. And I think about jay Z when he
- 56:00Speaker 5: was on Breakfast Club thirteen years ago and we asked
- 56:03Speaker 5: him who from this new era we're gonna he is
- 56:06Speaker 5: gonna be around in the future. Name three people? He said,
- 56:10Speaker 5: obviously Cole, he said Drake absolutely, or for Drake absolutely,
- 56:14Speaker 5: Kendrick as well, and then he said just on Shill
- 56:16Speaker 5: Will and wanting it, hile A is gonna be here.
- 56:19Speaker 5: So you have that kind of vision. So who do
- 56:20Speaker 5: you see now that's gonna be here ten years from that?
- 56:23Speaker 8: Uh?
- 56:24Speaker 5: Have they reached the level to get a shout up?
- 56:26Speaker 1: Yeah?
- 56:27Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
- 56:27Speaker 8: These people that I'm about to mention definitely reached the level.
- 56:31Speaker 8: I mean obviously Jake Cole Drake absolutely, uh, Kendrick as well.
- 56:42Speaker 8: I think just just on on He's talented, very talented,
- 56:45Speaker 8: but just on on share will and wanting it. Yle
- 56:49Speaker 8: A is gonna be here as well.
- 56:51Speaker 5: Yeah, you think about that statement thirteen years ago and
- 56:54Speaker 5: you here still, you know, giving us terrific musical.
- 56:56Speaker 4: First of all, you're gonna you're gonna fly that in
- 56:58Speaker 4: the thing. Just making sure these whipper snappers need to know.
- 57:05Speaker 1: But right, Nah, what was the end question? Again?
- 57:10Speaker 5: How did that make you feel?
- 57:11Speaker 1: Oh? Ship?
- 57:13Speaker 4: I remember that day actually because that's when I was
- 57:15Speaker 4: at Regnation, and I think Emory was like like like
- 57:20Speaker 4: I always used to come like come upstairs off like
- 57:23Speaker 4: just being with everybody, like the whole like building, whatever.
- 57:27Speaker 4: And Emory was like, y'all, y'all, Broy, you're gonna like
- 57:32Speaker 4: what You're gonna like what Bro said on it? You
- 57:34Speaker 4: know he sound like he Bottimore, He don't like what
- 57:37Speaker 4: like what Bro said on it on the jont Man
- 57:38Speaker 4: I was talking about like you're gonna see and then
- 57:41Speaker 4: uh then I then I actually then Jake came around
- 57:45Speaker 4: and he was just like whatever like and then like
- 57:48Speaker 4: when they when they finally hit.
- 57:50Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you.
- 57:51Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying, like like okay, I'm not gonna
- 57:53Speaker 4: I'm not gonna let him down at all, Like you
- 57:55Speaker 4: know what I'm saying that joint. It keeps me motivated
- 57:58Speaker 4: to this day that he he saw that in me,
- 58:00Speaker 4: because it's like but then, like now that I'm way
- 58:03Speaker 4: older now, I think back to like what could make
- 58:05Speaker 4: him think that? And I remember when we was when
- 58:09Speaker 4: this is when I first dropped out of school, Like
- 58:11Speaker 4: people don't understand, like when I was torn with my ronson.
- 58:14Speaker 4: We was opening for Ja, so he had his eye
- 58:16Speaker 4: on me for a long time. I remember I forgot
- 58:20Speaker 4: where we were. We just like like maybe like a
- 58:22Speaker 4: week stretch, and he that's what they started being comfortable
- 58:27Speaker 4: letting me around, so like he got him up. We
- 58:29Speaker 4: slapped boxing and everything at this point, and I remember
- 58:32Speaker 4: he saw me because I ain't had no songs out
- 58:35Speaker 4: like that. I have mixtape songs and I'm doing like
- 58:39Speaker 4: sixty thousand people with Mark having to keep the crowd going,
- 58:43Speaker 4: and he saw around the time more about nothing drop.
- 58:49Speaker 4: He saw the process of me hearing the song with
- 58:52Speaker 4: them like Bungalow eight or one of them clubs and
- 58:56Speaker 4: like bobbing my head to it to like it being
- 58:59Speaker 4: on the mixtape, to me performing it because I ain't
- 59:04Speaker 4: have no joint. So I sampled this song called Black
- 59:07Speaker 4: and Gold that was big in like the UK Island
- 59:11Speaker 4: around that time, and that made it like an EDM song.
- 59:13Speaker 4: And I remember walking off that stage and he dapped me.
- 59:16Speaker 4: He was like, dog, you different, you'd be figuring it
- 59:20Speaker 4: out because he saw when I just get your hands
- 59:22Speaker 4: up random hip hop dah da to me doing an
- 59:26Speaker 4: EDM record and be like, Okay, I know they gonna
- 59:28Speaker 4: know the hook and they got I figured that out
- 59:31Speaker 4: early and he always admired that. So I think that
- 59:34Speaker 4: when he said the resilient thing, he saw everything that
- 59:37Speaker 4: I was going through with them, even the chilling video
- 59:41Speaker 4: like when the debut don't want them to Si the Park.
- 59:44Speaker 4: It was completely different. He was in the office. He
- 59:48Speaker 4: saw what I was going through. Pretty earl video. They
- 59:51Speaker 4: actually put it out with a green screen in the
- 59:54Speaker 4: background instead of what it was supposed to be. He
- 59:57Speaker 4: was there with that and he just see how I
- 59:58Speaker 4: kept maneuvering, like yeah, I kirk out online, I'll be mad.
- 1:00:02Speaker 4: But he would see how like land On my feet
- 1:00:04Speaker 4: or like bounce back with something. So I think that's
- 1:00:06Speaker 4: why he said that, like looking back on it, but
- 1:00:09Speaker 4: it rejuiced me for my like I'm always I always
- 1:00:11Speaker 4: think about that.
- 1:00:12Speaker 7: Yeah know that that sounds like community, right, and that's
- 1:00:15Speaker 7: how you said it was that sounds like management management,
- 1:00:17Speaker 7: But that sounds like but do you know how many
- 1:00:21Speaker 7: times you have management but like they don't care enough
- 1:00:24Speaker 7: to even watch you go through these things and do
- 1:00:26Speaker 7: as much as they can and give you props to
- 1:00:28Speaker 7: push you into the.
- 1:00:28Speaker 1: Use a business though it is definitely not gonna. It's
- 1:00:31Speaker 1: definitely been.
- 1:00:32Speaker 4: And also like he is Michael Jordan and Michael, you
- 1:00:37Speaker 4: can't ask Michael Jordan why the thirteens don't fit like
- 1:00:39Speaker 4: the twelves, you know what I'm saying.
- 1:00:41Speaker 1: So it's like it was business. He definitely took a
- 1:00:43Speaker 1: liking to me.
- 1:00:44Speaker 4: But it's still like I'm still earn earth like Earn
- 1:00:48Speaker 4: and the potential, not saying that that's why, but it's
- 1:00:50Speaker 4: just like, you know, I don't I don't look at
- 1:00:52Speaker 4: that as community. Community is me asking black dog, like, yo,
- 1:00:56Speaker 4: what you think about this hook or this this flow
- 1:00:58Speaker 4: of this cadence like or me talking to young Chris
- 1:01:01Speaker 4: about like, man, what you think like sending them a verse?
- 1:01:05Speaker 1: Like what you think that is?
- 1:01:06Speaker 4: It's on right, Like that's that's the communities stuff like that.
- 1:01:12Speaker 6: We got indy visuals coming for everything is man?
- 1:01:15Speaker 1: Uh force aby fire man. What you're doing after this? Uh?
- 1:01:23Speaker 5: Now, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna put out some visuals
- 1:01:26Speaker 5: when people finish this album. What's the one truth you
- 1:01:28Speaker 5: want them to sit with?
- 1:01:30Speaker 1: I want them.
- 1:01:31Speaker 4: I want them to feel like they watched a movie
- 1:01:34Speaker 4: like whatever, however, if you like it, love it, hate it,
- 1:01:37Speaker 4: you know, watch watch the movie and and understand if
- 1:01:40Speaker 4: you if they take it like, oh this is a movie.
- 1:01:44Speaker 4: I didn't like it or I didn't understand it.
- 1:01:47Speaker 1: Cool as a movie.
- 1:01:47Speaker 4: You run it back and watch it again and look,
- 1:01:49Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Look, go look online, go
- 1:01:51Speaker 4: on read it whatever that it break down.
- 1:01:53Speaker 1: I want them to.
- 1:01:54Speaker 4: Really see the whole picture because I'm I mean that
- 1:01:58Speaker 4: the work starts now with that album, Like you know,
- 1:02:00Speaker 4: the work really starts now, like okay, it's out, like
- 1:02:04Speaker 4: all right, let me make let me push like my songs,
- 1:02:09Speaker 4: let me make sure they're in people's hands, like and
- 1:02:12Speaker 4: that they know the movie. So any feedback is appreciated
- 1:02:16Speaker 4: because niggas can feel how they feel. But like, don't
- 1:02:19Speaker 4: not don't look at it like oh, a playlist or
- 1:02:22Speaker 4: nothing like it ain't that. This is a this is
- 1:02:24Speaker 4: a real thing. These stories are in it. They're weaving
- 1:02:27Speaker 4: within each other.
- 1:02:28Speaker 1: Let's get into a join of that.
- 1:02:29Speaker 5: Well, I got one more at this point in your career,
- 1:02:31Speaker 5: what part of a while later you feel people still misunderstandable.
- 1:02:36Speaker 4: I think people think I'm angry. I even sit it
- 1:02:38Speaker 4: on mirrors. The people people think you're crazy, and the
- 1:02:42Speaker 4: crack is think you too aggressive? You know what I'm saying,
- 1:02:44Speaker 4: Like where I live ain't no black people, so it's
- 1:02:48Speaker 4: like I can't even like, you know, I'll be trying
- 1:02:51Speaker 4: to go for my little jogs and put the shisty
- 1:02:54Speaker 4: on because it could be anybody. Actually, I was jogging
- 1:02:57Speaker 4: on my neighbor on time and Rihanna text me was.
- 1:03:00Speaker 1: Like, Yo, is that you running around? I was like,
- 1:03:03Speaker 1: what what you mean? You know what I'm saying? And
- 1:03:05Speaker 1: I was just like, how did you see me? She
- 1:03:07Speaker 1: was like yo?
- 1:03:07Speaker 8: Me?
- 1:03:07Speaker 1: And Rocky was driving past me, So are you running?
- 1:03:09Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
- 1:03:10Speaker 4: But a little quick snubber, but it makes sense to
- 1:03:16Speaker 4: the question. Let me what was the question again? Let
- 1:03:18Speaker 4: me talk back at this point in your career. You know,
- 1:03:21Speaker 4: what do you think people still misunderstand? Yeah, they think
- 1:03:23Speaker 4: I think they think I'm like mad all the time.
- 1:03:26Speaker 4: And it's like, bro, I just be out the way
- 1:03:28Speaker 4: and like, well I was going back to the running thing,
- 1:03:30Speaker 4: Like bro, I just be running. I got this little
- 1:03:32Speaker 4: thing I run. And it's like it's always the feeling
- 1:03:36Speaker 4: of like they white people thinking I'm upset, and then
- 1:03:41Speaker 4: when I come in my own culture, they be like
- 1:03:44Speaker 4: he's whining.
- 1:03:45Speaker 1: He's up just because everybody try to.
- 1:03:47Speaker 4: Play too cool and I just be saying what I
- 1:03:49Speaker 4: say like people just to be thinking I'm mad, and like, bro,
- 1:03:51Speaker 4: I'm not mad at all.
- 1:03:53Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
- 1:03:53Speaker 4: Like when I'm mad, i'all gonna know it for real,
- 1:03:56Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like because I'm I'm I'm
- 1:03:58Speaker 4: a I'm a veteran crack shout like like but no, no,
- 1:04:01Speaker 4: I'm not. People just thinking nigga mad. I just be
- 1:04:04Speaker 4: over a lot of this. I'm over like the fake stuff.
- 1:04:06Speaker 4: I'm over like, oh, let me get the feature, then
- 1:04:10Speaker 4: let me pop off and let me never let me
- 1:04:12Speaker 4: act like you know what I'm saying, I'm over all
- 1:04:15Speaker 4: of that. And then you know, the over face might
- 1:04:18Speaker 4: look upset, but some of your joke I laugh like
- 1:04:21Speaker 4: you feel me like if it ain't nothing funny, I
- 1:04:22Speaker 4: ain't about to be said.
- 1:04:24Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
- 1:04:26Speaker 4: People just think I'm upset all the time, and that's
- 1:04:28Speaker 4: that's gonna be further from you.
- 1:04:30Speaker 1: I love you, all right. Well, let's get into it, Joe.
- 1:04:34Speaker 1: What you will hear? So? I got a requests I
- 1:04:38Speaker 1: want Can I hear four songs? Why not? Because I
- 1:04:47Speaker 1: want to know. I want to know what record?
- 1:04:49Speaker 4: Because like literally I asked everybody their favorite song, it's
- 1:04:52Speaker 4: always a different jump. So let's pick three three okay, okay,
- 1:04:56Speaker 4: can everybody? Can everybody just give me one? And then
- 1:05:00Speaker 4: m hm, he said where to start?
- 1:05:01Speaker 9: Yeah? I know that w one't been out there though,
- 1:05:02Speaker 9: But that's my one.
- 1:05:05Speaker 5: Powering problems, power problems.
- 1:05:09Speaker 4: I won't say pound problems now, that's just the one,
- 1:05:12Speaker 4: just the one that I know they didn't hit out.
- 1:05:18Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's a good choice.
- 1:05:20Speaker 6: Belly cool too, but power problems.
- 1:05:23Speaker 4: I feel like belly is like my I was telling
- 1:05:27Speaker 4: I was telling the label this, so I think Belly
- 1:05:29Speaker 4: is my like this is my new Wiet song, Like
- 1:05:34Speaker 4: this is if somebody want to know who he is
- 1:05:37Speaker 4: about where he's from.
- 1:05:39Speaker 1: Belly is the jump.
- 1:05:41Speaker 4: But I will say out of them three we can
- 1:05:44Speaker 4: do Belly Pound Problems in uh City on file and
- 1:05:51Speaker 4: then corner Bottles one get corner? Can we squeeze half
- 1:05:56Speaker 4: a corner bottles in there?
- 1:05:57Speaker 5: It's one you almost sound like Ross.
- 1:06:00Speaker 6: Oh my god, yes, I want to like click.
- 1:06:07Speaker 9: It because I'm like, is this like a blink backround?
- 1:06:10Speaker 4: It was homage. It was like the style I thought
- 1:06:13Speaker 4: it was, you know, because that's like a little nod
- 1:06:16Speaker 4: the Ross, Like you know what I'm saying, Like I'm like,
- 1:06:19Speaker 4: it's always gonna be, always gonna be locked in, you
- 1:06:21Speaker 4: know what I'm saying that I wanted to show homage
- 1:06:23Speaker 4: in a unique way. And also like you know, if
- 1:06:25Speaker 4: you've seen Godfather, like you know how like nuanced it
- 1:06:29Speaker 4: is like if you know, like I always always I
- 1:06:34Speaker 4: used to see myself as Sonny like because like hot
- 1:06:37Speaker 4: head and make like you know what I'm saying, I've
- 1:06:40Speaker 4: kind of like smoothed it out a little bit more
- 1:06:44Speaker 4: and like it's more of a Michael, now you know
- 1:06:46Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Because Sonny got spanked because he couldn't
- 1:06:50Speaker 4: control his temper for real. Michael was more like, you know,
- 1:06:55Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, and afraid those there's a
- 1:06:57Speaker 4: lot of freidos running around. It's just they can't. They're
- 1:07:00Speaker 4: not they don't need to be in no rooms type stuff.
- 1:07:03Speaker 4: So yeah, but as far as the flow and the beat,
- 1:07:06Speaker 4: that's all like me just paying homage to rows like
- 1:07:09Speaker 4: I ain't.
- 1:07:09Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of people said I sound
- 1:07:11Speaker 1: like I don't. I don't. My tone is completely different
- 1:07:14Speaker 1: than here, So I just start.
- 1:07:19Speaker 9: Did he know that that homage was coming or he's
- 1:07:21Speaker 9: finding out?
- 1:07:22Speaker 1: He might be finding out right now when you hear this.
- 1:07:25Speaker 3: All right, Well there you have it, Wile album.
- 1:07:28Speaker 1: Everything is a lot is out now. We appreciate you, Brotter.
- 1:07:30Speaker 4: Thank you, and I'm sorry. I'm like still a little
- 1:07:33Speaker 4: time from last night. Literally, so the junk with me
- 1:07:41Speaker 4: and Leon I ain't changed.
- 1:07:42Speaker 1: I slept in this. It came in, so thank y'all.
- 1:07:46Speaker 1: The great It's wi It's the Breakfast Club.
- 1:07:48Speaker 2: Good morning every day, click up, Breakfast Club.
- 1:07:54Speaker 1: Finished, y'all.
- 1:07:55Speaker 5: Dump