Latest / Investor Exchange / CapitaLand China Trust Is Reimagining The "New China" Economy In FY2025
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- 0:02Time for another Investor Exchange podcast. Here are your hosts, Matt and Sally.
- 0:07Welcome back to the Deep Dive. Today, we're tackling a subject that tends to
- 0:13split investors right down the middle.
- 0:16We're looking at China. And specifically, through the lens of Singapore's biggest
- 0:22China-focused landlord, Capital Land China Trust, or CLCT.
- 0:27It's a really fascinating test case, isn't it? Because if you just read the
- 0:31headlines, you'd think the Chinese economy is really struggling.
- 0:33Right. But then you look at the documents we have today, the full year 2025
- 0:37results, and the story on the ground is, well, it's a lot more nuanced.
- 0:43The results just dropped. We've gone through the whole stack,
- 0:45the press release, the financials, the slides. But you don't have to.
- 0:48Exactly. And our mission today is pretty simple. We want to look at these results
- 0:51strictly through an investor lens.
- 0:53Which is the only lens that really matters for this. It is. And honestly,
- 0:56when you first see the headline numbers, there's a bit of tension.
- 0:59You see revenue down, net property income down.
- 1:01Distribution per unit, DPU is down.
- 1:04Right. But then you read the management commentary, and they're using words
- 1:07like credible and resilient.
- 1:10So is the glass half full or half empty? That is the multi-million dollar,
- 1:15or maybe I should say multi-million renminbi question. I see what you did there.
- 1:19Okay, let's unpack this. We have to start with the what? The big headline financials.
- 1:22You have to. Because if I'm a unit holder, the first thing I'm looking at is that DPU.
- 1:26For FY 2025, it came in at 4.82 Singapore cents. Which is a decline, a noticeable one.
- 1:34FY 2024 was 5.65 cents. So on the surface, that's a drop. And the top line?
- 1:39Same story. Gross revenue came in at about R&B $1,670 million,
- 1:44down 9.1% year-on-year, and net property income, or NPI, followed down 9.4%.
- 1:51Okay, so red numbers across the board. An investor might be starting to sweat
- 1:55a little bit. Is the business shrinking?
- 1:57Are tenants leaving? Well, this is where context is absolutely critical.
- 2:00It looks bad if you just skim the surface, but there are two very specific,
- 2:04almost mechanical reasons for this drop. Okay, so it's not that the remaining
- 2:07assets are performing poorly.
- 2:09Not necessarily, no. The biggest factor is divestment. Late last year,
- 2:14in 2025, CLCT sold a major asset capital mall U-waiting.
- 2:19Ah, right. The mall sale. Exactly.
- 2:21When you sell a massive shopping mall, you get a big chunk of cash,
- 2:25which is great, but you also immediately stop collecting rent from it.
- 2:28So a big chunk of that 9% revenue drop is simply because the portfolio is physically
- 2:33smaller than it was a year ago. Precisely.
- 2:35It's not that the remaining malls are empty. It's that one of the engines was
- 2:38removed from the car. And what's the second factor?
- 2:40The one every Singaporean investor in overseas assets knows well.
- 2:45Currency. The classic Forex headwind.
- 2:48The renminbi, the RMB, was weaker against the Singapore dollar in 2025.
- 2:53CLCT earns an RMB, but they paid distributions to you and me in sing dollars.
- 2:58So even if they earn the same amount of RMB, it translates into fewer Singapore
- 3:02dollars when it comes home. That's it.
- 3:04So divestment and currency, those are the two main anchors. But despite that,
- 3:07when we look at the yield based on the closing price at the end of 2025,
- 3:11it's still sitting at 6.2%. Which, in the current interest rate environment
- 3:15of 2026, is still a number that catches your eye.
- 3:18The market has priced in some of this, you know. Okay, so that's the headline, Bad News Explained.
- 3:23But let's get into the operational side, because this is where it gets really
- 3:27interesting. What's happening inside the malls they kept?
- 3:29This is where that narrative really shifts from shrinkage to resilience.
- 3:35If you look at the retail portfolio occupancy, it actually went up.
- 3:39It hit 97.2%. 97.2 percent.
- 3:43That's practically full. It's very healthy. And it's not just that the shops
- 3:47are full. Shoppers are there, too.
- 3:49Tennis sales were up 2.1 percent year on year. And footfalls.
- 3:53The number of people walking through the doors was up 2.7%. Yes,
- 3:57so people are going and they are spending.
- 4:00But here's the part that I found absolutely fascinating. We always hear about
- 4:03Chinese consumption, but what are they actually buying? The breakdown in the report is wild.
- 4:08I think I know a statistic you're talking about. Oh, you know it. Toys and hobbies.
- 4:12Sales in that category just exploded up 52.3% year on year. It is a remarkable
- 4:17number. It's the Popmark culture, right?
- 4:19Collectible toys, blind boxes. it feels like this is what's driving traffic.
- 4:25It validates a very specific thesis about the Chinese consumer.
- 4:29People worried they'd stop spending, but the data shows they are spending just
- 4:33differently on small luxuries, on hobbies.
- 4:36A 52% jump is.
- 4:39That's not a small change. It's like the lipstick effect, but for 2025 China,
- 4:42it's the plastic toy effect.
- 4:44That's a very apt comparison. And it wasn't just toys.
- 4:47Jewelry and watches were up 18.3%. Which usually signals a flight to safety.
- 4:52People buying gold. Exactly. When you're uncertain, you buy gold.
- 4:56So you have this barbell effect spending on cheap thrills like toys and on safe
- 4:59stores of value like gold.
- 5:01And then F&B was up 5.8%. People still have to eat. They do.
- 5:05So for an investor, this shows the mall managers are curating the right tenants.
- 5:09They're pivoting to where the money is actually flowing.
- 5:11Speaking of pivoting, we should touch on the downtime.
- 5:14Yeah. Part of the revenue drop was deliberate, wasn't it? Yeah. Because of AEIs.
- 5:17Asset enhancement initiatives, yes. Which is just read, speak for renovations,
- 5:21right? Yeah. Essentially, yes.
- 5:23At places like Rock Square and Capital Mall Gizemann, they closed off sections
- 5:27to upgrade them. It seems a bit counterintuitive.
- 5:29Our revenue is down. Let's close some shops.
- 5:32It's short-term pain for long-term gain, isn't it?
- 5:35You take the hit on rent for six months, you renovate, and then you can lease
- 5:38that space out at a higher rate to better tenants. Okay, so retail is the bright spot.
- 5:43Toys and gold are saving the day. But we have to look at the other side.
- 5:47CLCT isn't just malls anymore. They have new economy assets.
- 5:52Business parks and logistics.
- 5:53And here the story is a bit tougher. It's a mixed bag. How so?
- 5:57Let's look at the business parks first.
- 5:59Occupancy is at 86.7%. That feels okay, but not great compared to 97% in retail.
- 6:06It's an improvement from Q3, but yes, it's facing headwinds.
- 6:09The issue here isn't the assets themselves, it's supply.
- 6:13There's just a lot of office and business park space coming online in China.
- 6:16So too much supply, not enough demand. That pushes rents down.
- 6:20Exactly. And that flows through to valuations. The portfolio value dipped by
- 6:240.8 percent and the valuers specifically cited supply-demand imbalances in this sector.
- 6:29But wait, I saw that logistics parks revenue actually grew by 5.0 percent.
- 6:34How can revenue be up but the valuation be under pressure? Yeah.
- 6:39That feels contradictory.
- 6:40And that's a crucial concept for investors.
- 6:43Operationally, the logistics parks are doing great. Three out of four are fully
- 6:46leased. They're making more money.
- 6:48But when a valuer looks at an asset, they're looking at the future.
- 6:52They're looking at market assumptions for rent growth five, 10 years from now. Ah, I see.
- 6:57So because the broader market is flooded with supply, they're saying future
- 7:01rent growth will be slower.
- 7:02So the asset is worth a little less today, even if it's full. You've got it.
- 7:06So the cash flow is there, but the balance sheet value takes a slight hit.
- 7:10For an income investor, the 5% revenue growth is arguably the more important
- 7:14number. That makes sense.
- 7:15Okay, let's zoom out a bit. We've covered the assets. But there's a strategic
- 7:19element in these documents that I think is unique to CLCT, this whole S-Rite-C-Rite connection.
- 7:25This is, in my opinion, the most important part of their long-term play.
- 7:29Okay, break it down for us. It sounds like alphabet soup.
- 7:32An S-Rite is a Singapore-Rite, like CLCT.
- 7:36A C-Rite is a Chinese-Rite, listed in China.
- 7:40What CLCT has done is position itself as a bridge between the two.
- 7:44And the sale of that mall, you waiting, was part of this.
- 7:48Precisely. They didn't just sell it to anyone. They sold it into a specific C-rate platform.
- 7:53And why does that matter to the average investor listening? Two big reasons.
- 7:57First, it proves you can actually sell and get your money out,
- 8:00which is a big fear with China real estate.
- 8:02Second, it lets them recycle capital. So they sell a mature,
- 8:05stable mall, cash out at a good price, and now they have a war chest to buy
- 8:09something with higher growth potential.
- 8:10They're trying to trade up, sell the old car to buy a faster,
- 8:13newer one, and they have a built-in exit route that other REITs don't.
- 8:17But there's a timing mismatch, isn't there?
- 8:19You sell the car, but you haven't bought the new one yet, so you lose the income
- 8:23in the meantime. That is exactly the problem they faced in 2025.
- 8:27And that brings us to something you probably spotted in the footnotes.
- 8:30The distribution top-up.
- 8:32It sounds like a bonus, but it's really more of a band-aid, isn't it?
- 8:35It's a smoothing mechanism.
- 8:37The managers took some of the gains from the sale and are giving it back to
- 8:40unit holders for the second half of 2025.
- 8:43So they're saying here's some of the profit to make up for the lost rent while
- 8:46you wait for us to buy a new asset. Exactly.
- 8:49It buys them time and keeps the yield attractive. But investors need to know it's a one-off.
- 8:54They need to find a new income-generating asset soon. Right.
- 8:57It's a bridge, not a permanent floor.
- 8:59Let's look at the balance sheet. Debt is always a killer for REITs.
- 9:04How are they looking? Surprisingly good. They actually decreased their cost of debt.
- 9:08It went down to 3.32% from 3.51%. How did they manage that when rates have been high?
- 9:14By switching more of their debt to renminbi, interest rates in China have been lower.
- 9:18They refinanced expensive SGD loans into cheaper RMB loans. And I see here that
- 9:22RMB-denominated debt is now 60% of their total.
- 9:26Which is a very smart move. It's called a natural hedge. Explain that for us.
- 9:30Well, your assets are in RMB. Your rent comes in RMB. so if your debt is also
- 9:34in RMB, you're insulated.
- 9:35If the RMB weakens, your asset value goes down, but your debt value also goes down in FGD terms.
- 9:41It aligns the two sides of the balance sheet and makes the read much safer.
- 9:45That makes total sense. So what does 2026 hold? What are they saying about the
- 9:49year ahead? The macro picture is stable but gradual.
- 9:53China's GDP grew 5.0% in 2025. It's not the old double-digit growth, but it's still massive.
- 10:01Retail sales grew 3.7%. So the environment is supportive, but not a rocket ship. Right.
- 10:06The managers are talking about a gradual recovery for opportunities they're
- 10:10looking to expand retail in tier one and two cities. They know that's their
- 10:13crown jewel right now. And finishing those renovations. Yes.
- 10:17Just getting those malls back
- 10:18online will boost revenue. That's the low-hanging fruit. And the risks.
- 10:21What should we be watching? That supply pressure in business parks is not going away in 2026.
- 10:27They'll have to fight to keep that occupancy up. And currency. Always a wild card.
- 10:31If the RMB weakens further, it will eat into the deep hue, no matter how well the malls are doing.
- 10:36So bringing it all together, FY 2025 was a transition year. They sold an asset,
- 10:41restructured their debt, renovated their malls.
- 10:44The headline numbers looked down. But the engine room, the actual shops and
- 10:47logistics hubs, seems to be running pretty well.
- 10:50The signal is that Chinese consumers are buying 52% more toys and occupancy
- 10:55is at 97%. So for the listener, here's the final thought.
- 10:58The whole strategy relies on capital recycling, selling old stuff,
- 11:03to buy new stuff. They've done the sell part, they have the cash.
- 11:06But they haven't done the buy part yet.
- 11:08So the real question is, do you believe the management team can find a high-quality
- 11:12asset in 2026 that can replace the income they lost?
- 11:16Because that top-up distribution won't last forever. The clock is ticking.
- 11:20Precisely. They built the bridge with the C-Rite platform.
- 11:23Now they have to actually cross it and bring back the goods.
- 11:25That's the story of Capital and China Trust for FY 2025.
- 11:29Thanks for joining us on this deep dive. Always a pleasure. And just a reminder
- 11:32before we go, this content is intended to serve strictly and only as an informational,
- 11:37independent, objective summary of recent events and should in no way be interpreted,
- 11:41construed or relied upon by any party.