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Is Project Blue Beam Happening Now? How A Fake Alien Invasion Could Establish The New World Order · Aliens? Yes! But Maybe No | UFOs, UAPs & Alien Mysteries

0:03
Josh: Aliens.
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Travis: Maybe no.
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Travis: Welcome to the show.
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Travis: Aliens, yes, but maybe no with Josh and Travis.
0:24
Travis: I'm Travis.
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Josh: I'm Josh.
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Travis: And this is an otherworldly podcast as ambiguous as our title.
0:31
Josh: So last episode we talked about nuclear incursions.
0:34
Josh: That was super spooky.
0:36
Josh: I don't like it.
0:37
Josh: First of all, I don't even like that there's nuclear bombs in facilities, and then things unexplained happening around them and words like aliens and swarms and mishaps.
0:50
Travis: End of times.
0:51
Josh: Yeah.
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Josh: I don't like it.
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Josh: It's not my uh my cup of tea.
0:56
Josh: But you'd think we would have uh ended the show with happy quiz and all that, but no.
1:03
Josh: We stumbled upon thanks to our beautiful.
1:06
Josh: Can I say beautiful?
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Josh: Wonderful.
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Josh: She's beautiful.
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Josh: She's my wife.
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Josh: Researcher.
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Josh: You got there.
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Josh: Jordan.
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Josh: I did.
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Josh: She set us up with our topic for this episode, and it is Project Bluebeam.
1:19
Josh: Heard of it?
1:21
Josh: I had not.
1:22
Josh: This was new to me.
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Travis: Outside of like superhero movies.
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Travis: Although, do you think that this is part of your theory that Hollywood is trying to get us more comfortable with the thought of alien experience or even an alien invasion?
1:38
Travis: I I mean it could be.
1:39
Travis: I'm not gonna poo-poo that idea.
1:42
Travis: At the end of a lot, so think about it.
1:43
Travis: The end of a lot of superhero movies and a lot of alien movies have the good guys fighting essentially like a blue beam in the sky.
1:52
Josh: I don't think the blue beam in movies are related to Project Blue Beam.
1:56
Travis: But maybe it is.
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Travis: Because it is, they are.
1:58
Josh: We are talking about Project Bluebeam.
2:00
Josh: We took the quiz, it was scary, thinking that this could potentially be a thing.
2:04
Josh: We watched a Wi-Files video kind of just teaching us about it.
2:08
Josh: We went through our notes that was given to us by a researcher, and it's still just as scary.
2:14
Josh: I don't like it.
2:15
Travis: Maybe scarier.
2:16
Josh: Yeah.
2:17
Travis: Now that we know a little bit about it.
2:18
Josh: I I think when I when I first took the quiz, when we were done, I talked to Jordan.
2:23
Josh: I was like, it's probably fake.
2:25
Josh: Like it just seems so fake.
2:27
Josh: And then after learning more about it, I was like, oh, there's a lot that lines up with a lot of things.
2:33
Travis: That's what uh the Wi-Fi's guy, AJ, talked about.
2:36
Josh: Yeah.
2:36
Josh: All right.
2:37
Josh: This episode, Project Bluebeam.
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Josh: This is one of those conspiracy theories that lives in that perfect twilight zone between sci-fi and paranoia.
2:46
Josh: It has satellites, secret programs, psychological warfare, world government, and a finale that sounds like a blockbuster trailer.
2:55
Josh: So this is Project Bluebeam.
2:57
Josh: Simply put, it's a wild theory about global control.
3:01
Josh: The idea is that some shadowy group plans to trick the world with massive fake crises and stage cosmic events.
3:09
Josh: Stuff so huge and terrifying that everyone freaks out and they lose their faith and their current beliefs.
3:14
Josh: The ultimate goal to make everyone accept a single new global authority and a unified belief system, just because the alternative, chaos, seems worse.
3:26
Josh: They're gonna break the old world, especially the religion and the identity of people, the individualism, shock the senses with sky events, miracles, and a global fear, control the mind with messages that feel internal, and offer salvation a one authority and a one system.
3:44
Josh: That's that's it in a nutshell.
3:46
Josh: But we're gonna dive in deeper.
3:48
Travis: Yes.
3:49
Travis: So where did this idea of Project Bluebeam come from?
3:53
Travis: You might be asking yourself.
3:54
Travis: Well, you're a listener.
3:58
Travis: Remember from our quiz last week, we threw this name around a lot.
4:02
Josh: Were we correct?
4:03
Travis: Surge monast.
4:04
Josh: Surge monast, you dirty dog.
4:07
Travis: Yeah.
4:08
Travis: It does sound like, oh yeah, I I don't have it on me.
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Travis: You can surge monast.
4:15
Josh: It's one of those names that you would come up with looking around a room.
4:20
Travis: It sounds like a made-up word.
4:21
Josh: Yeah.
4:22
Travis: Or like a new pharmaceutical drug that treats like hemorrhoids or something.
4:28
Travis: Surge.
4:29
Travis: Yeah.
4:30
Josh: I wouldn't want something with hemorrhoids with the word surge in it.
4:33
Travis: Yeah.
4:34
Travis: Well, that's a good point.
4:36
Travis: So yeah, Surge Manassed.
4:38
Travis: So Surge Manasseh presented the idea in the mid-1990s as a planned sequence of operations.
4:43
Travis: Manasseh draws from earlier anti-globalist one-world government fears that were already circulating for decades, including writers like William Guy Carr, whose work influenced later conspiracy frameworks about global control.
4:55
Travis: One reason the Bluebeam story really gets people worked up is how Serge Manasse's own life and death are often woven into the whole thing as proof of the story is being hushed up.
5:06
Travis: Usual story goes like this: Manass got into legal hot water for spreading fake news.
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Travis: He supposedly died of a heart attack in December 1996 at age 51.
5:16
Travis: The narrative often throws in that other reports or investigators looking into Bluebeam also supposedly drop dead suddenly around the same time.
5:26
Josh: I don't like it.
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Travis: So whether someone treats that as suspicion or coincidental, it becomes part of the legend.
5:32
Travis: The idea that even talking about this theory puts a target on you.
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Travis: It creates a sense that the information is forbidden, which makes people lean in more.
5:41
Travis: So with the origin set, here's the heart of Bluebeam as it's usually presented.
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Travis: We're gonna do this in four phases.
5:48
Josh: So are are we gonna not talk about this then?
5:52
Josh: What I just I don't wanna die.
5:56
Travis: We're gonna be fine.
5:56
Travis: Okay.
5:57
Travis: I mean, we're down, way down on the list.
6:02
Josh: All right, so yeah, the four phases.
6:03
Josh: Phase one is all about messing with big religions by attacking their foundations by finding stuff.
6:12
Josh: The idea is that the powers that be would fake events to dig up artifacts or proof that looks like it totally rewrites religious history.
6:22
Josh: The theory sometimes talks about using engineered earthquakes called induced seismicity to crack open or expose specific sites.
6:31
Josh: The goal isn't just to find objects, it's to cause a massive belief breakdown, a moment where people feel like the ground beneath their faith has literally and figuratively split.
6:42
Josh: And what's revealed proves that they've been totally wrong for centuries.
6:46
Josh: So in the story, this sets up everything.
6:49
Josh: If you can create a global spiritual void, then people are way more open to a replacement.
6:55
Josh: This first phase isn't about a new religion, it's about your old religion is a complete lie.
7:01
Josh: But I just think gaslighting.
7:03
Josh: Yeah, but I just I just don't think it that would work personally.
7:07
Josh: Someone or something is revealed, some artifact or history that disproves the world's religions.
7:15
Josh: I feel like people would not fall for that.
7:18
Travis: All this talk of the one true religion, like that's been happening for hundreds of years.
7:23
Travis: People fight wars over it.
7:25
Travis: 100% that's been happening.
7:27
Josh: I think it, especially with this already being out there, like Project Bluebeam, I think there'd be a lot of suspicion.
7:34
Josh: And even now, you know, with AI and everything being second-guessed, I think people don't really have the faith in facts.
7:43
Josh: But that's phase one, basically trying to create doubt and or destroy people's belief in their personal religions.
7:52
Travis: Yeah.
7:52
Travis: And I think that that is totally happening right now, and it's totally working for a lot of people.
7:57
Josh: It could be.
7:58
Josh: I don't talk to a lot of people, so I don't know what's going on out there.
8:01
Josh: I'm just sitting here with my tinfoil hat.
8:03
Travis: Let's let's put a pin in this because this will come up later in the show.
8:06
Josh: Okay.
8:07
Travis: Let's talk about religion and what people are going to experience.
8:10
Travis: And let's just go right into phase two.
8:12
Travis: This is known as the big space show.
8:16
Josh: Hell yeah.
8:17
Travis: It's like whoever named this is just a silly little baby, I think.
8:21
Josh: Big space show.
8:22
Josh: It is a baby thing to say.
8:23
Josh: Yeah.
8:24
Josh: Like a rug rat.
8:25
Travis: Yeah.
8:26
Travis: Uh so phase two is often described as a massive global scale space show.
8:30
Travis: You see where they got it.
8:31
Travis: Think of it as using super advanced projection tech to beam huge images like holograms right into the sky, making them look totally real.
8:40
Travis: A key detail in the original concept is that these displays would be tailored to the audience.
8:45
Travis: Different parts of the world would see images that match their main religious beliefs.
8:49
Travis: Instead of one image for everyone, it's presented as targeted miracles that people in the area would instantly recognize and believe.
8:56
Travis: The story usually ramps up from there.
8:58
Travis: These religious figures or divine appearances eventually merge into one single powerful presence.
9:03
Travis: This figure declares that all old religions are outdated or caused too much conflict, and that a new unified belief system is the only way forward.
9:12
Travis: In the Bluebeam narrative, phase two isn't just about trickery.
9:16
Travis: It's conversion through an epic visual event, using pure spectacle and awe to bypass everyone's skepticism.
9:22
Travis: So that's like trust what you're seeing and not what you think.
9:28
Josh: So phase one, they're trying to prove with archaeology.
9:32
Josh: Phase two, it's like, look, it's happening.
9:35
Travis: Phase one is like philosophy and maybe archaeology.
9:38
Josh: And then this one is visual.
9:41
Josh: I mean, Manast came up with this in the 90s.
9:45
Josh: It sounds like he was really good with technology, like he was up to date with technology.
9:50
Josh: So it seems more of like a prophecy, like he's saying like this will happen, like a technological prophecy.
9:57
Josh: Little did he know that we'd have drone shows that look amazing and we have holographic stuff.
10:05
Josh: I don't, I don't know, because this he was talking about using the satellites to beam down and stuff on the ground to beam up to create these things to make them look like ultra real.
10:16
Josh: That technology doesn't exist.
10:19
Josh: I don't think we can do that.
10:20
Travis: Uh no, not like not have it be realistic.
10:24
Travis: It just looks like uh what is that you'd put like little lights in.
10:29
Travis: You could put like core lights in it and make shapes or images.
10:31
Travis: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:33
Josh: The night bright or whatever.
10:34
Travis: Sure, yeah.
10:35
Travis: Yeah.
10:35
Travis: Uh that's like what these drone displays look like.
10:38
Travis: Just bigger.
10:39
Travis: Yeah.
10:40
Travis: It doesn't look real.
10:41
Travis: It's not even like AI video and images is starting to get.
10:45
Travis: I mean, it's still still really uncanny and you can spot it like 95% of the time.
10:50
Travis: It I mean, it's not even close to that.
10:52
Travis: And maybe someday it will be.
10:54
Travis: But maybe that's what maybe that's what the AI is, though.
10:57
Travis: Maybe came it was this was misinterpreted.
11:00
Josh: Oh, that's interesting.
11:01
Josh: That's a really good.
11:02
Josh: Oh, you just made my mind explode.
11:04
Travis: Some people are having a real struggle identifying the difference between AI, what's real and what isn't.
11:09
Josh: Yeah.
11:10
Travis: And a lot of like think tanks and even just like people that are trying to sway conversations online are using it.
11:18
Travis: And those ones are very hard to tell.
11:20
Josh: Yeah, when they when they incorporate real and AI.
11:23
Josh: Yes.
11:24
Josh: When they go back and forth, you you can't tell.
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Josh: And just one little thing can change an entire narrative for sure.
11:31
Josh: That's phase two.
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Josh: Phase three is when it gets super weird and mind-bendy.
11:39
Travis: Images religious iconography in the sky.
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Travis: It wasn't weird, and then trying to sway people's long-held religious beliefs.
11:48
Travis: That's not weird.
11:49
Travis: Now we're getting into the weird stuff.
11:50
Travis: Yeah.
11:51
Josh: If yeah.
11:52
Travis: Hold on to your butts.
11:53
Josh: So the idea is that they'd use tech to beam messages right into our head, making them feel like your own thoughts or your conscience, or maybe even a word from a divine source.
12:04
Josh: So the command doesn't feel like it's coming from outside.
12:07
Josh: It feels like it came from you or God.
12:10
Josh: In the version people talk about most from Manasseh's notes, this means broadcasting signals through electromagnetic spectrum using really low frequencies, like the ELF or VLF and LF stuff, to mess with what you perceive and how you think.
12:26
Josh: The theory goes that it would be personalized.
12:30
Josh: The message would be custom made for you using all your personal data.
12:35
Josh: So the internal voice matches your expectations, fears, and religious or belief language you use.
12:41
Josh: Which I that's the part that kind of freaked me out.
12:45
Travis: It's like, oh, there are think about anytime you get online, Josh.
12:48
Josh: Yeah, there's databases of us.
12:50
Travis: This conversation that we're having right now, if you were to go and do a Google search, you would already start to see the effects of this conversation.
12:57
Travis: Right.
12:58
Travis: Because as much as people say like our phones are not listening to us all the time, they are, yeah, absolutely are.
13:05
Travis: And they're like, Well, no, it's only when I call Google.
13:07
Travis: And I was like, Well, how do you know you're gonna call it when you do?
13:10
Travis: Is it just like intuitive, or is it always listening, waiting for that prompt?
13:15
Josh: Yeah.
13:16
Josh: And everyone has an online profile, some are huge, but there is a database with profiles of every person.
13:23
Josh: And a lot of the times the algorithms know you more than you know yourself.
13:28
Josh: And that is scary.
13:30
Josh: And that's the powers at the top are going to be using these profiles of us to give us custom messages so that we can relate to it more.
13:38
Josh: And I like that.
13:40
Josh: So this phase is actually the key to the whole Bluebeam plan because it solves a really big problem.
13:46
Josh: What if people just think the whole sky thing is a hoax, which is plausible?
13:51
Josh: Phase three is supposed to answer don't just put on a show, make people feel the truth of it deep inside them.
13:58
Josh: So this one, yeah, I don't like it because it does ring true.
14:02
Josh: It's very sci-fi, very big brother.
14:05
Travis: Yeah, it is very big brother, not the show.
14:08
Josh: No.
14:08
Travis: Orwellian, like George Orwell.
14:10
Josh: Yeah, and just knowing, like, even someone coming up with that idea is scary.
14:15
Josh: Like, I wouldn't come up with that idea, but just knowing that that idea exists, and there's probably someone that would want to do that.
14:22
Travis: Well, I wouldn't come up with this.
14:23
Travis: This that's what makes it so wild.
14:25
Josh: I mean, I remember when someone told me for the first time that people purposely misscan things in the self-checkout lines, my mind was blown.
14:33
Josh: I was like, what?
14:34
Josh: Like, yeah, they do it to get lower prices and steal.
14:37
Josh: I was like, oh my gosh, I'd be a horrible criminal.
14:40
Josh: Yeah.
14:41
Josh: I do not come up with stuff like that.
14:42
Josh: So it just blows my mind that this could potentially be a thing.
14:47
Josh: And I'm sure he's not the only one that's thought of it.
14:49
Josh: Maybe people empowered that are having these bigger thoughts about society and the whole globe.
14:55
Josh: That what can they do with this information, this database of every single person?
15:00
Travis: Interesting.
15:01
Josh: I don't like it.
15:02
Travis: Okay, so phase four.
15:03
Josh: Mm-hmm.
15:04
Travis: The global crisis finale.
15:06
Travis: That's the end finale.
15:08
Josh: Finale.
15:08
Josh: I love finales.
15:09
Josh: The grand finale.
15:10
Travis: They usually suck.
15:12
Josh: They're quick.
15:12
Josh: Yeah.
15:14
Travis: The world crisis phase is basically about setting up huge stage disasters, think coordinated global catastrophes to freak everyone out enough that they'll just hand over their national sovereignty and accept one single world government.
15:26
Travis: Well, this part of the usual Bluebeam story is the fake alien invasion.
15:30
Travis: It's meant to be so convincing it causes mass panic and gets everyone moving.
15:34
Travis: Some telling things throw in other spectacles too: fake miracles, total chaos, and widespread mental breakdowns.
15:40
Travis: The whole point of phase four is pretty simple.
15:43
Travis: According to the theory, once people are scared senseless, they'll agree to anything.
15:48
Travis: Giving up weapons, centralized rule, one big religion, because having order feels like it's worth whatever the cost may be.
15:55
Josh: That one is probably the most real to me because it seems like it could easily be pulled off.
16:00
Travis: I mean it's already.
16:01
Josh: Yeah, exactly.
16:02
Josh: Like we're already experiencing with media and social media and news pulling film from other stuff to make it look like new stuff and just straight up creating fake information.
16:16
Josh: That's spooky.
16:17
Josh: This one hits closest to home for me.
16:19
Josh: Yeah.
16:20
Josh: And it and if they escalate it to the point where everyone is like fight or flight mode trying to survive, they need to get food, then we would want someone or something to take control for safety, you know?
16:35
Josh: Yeah.
16:35
Josh: So Project Bluebeam thrives because it offers a clear enemy, which is like shadowy institutions, global bodies, and tech arms.
16:44
Josh: It offers a clear method, phases, escalation, psychological logic, a clear emotional arc, doubt, awe, inner certainty, terror, surrender, and then a clear modern fear that perception can be engineered at scale.
17:01
Josh: It also cross-pollinates easily with other narratives like the New World Order, fears about propaganda, the Illuminati, distrust in institutions, religious anxieties about end times, sci-fi imagery that's trained the audience to visualize the event.
17:18
Josh: So even if someone doesn't believe it, they can still understand it and follow it and kind of nod their head, like, okay, it's not like my mind was blown when people are stealing self-checkout.
17:28
Josh: It's just like, I've heard of some of these things before.
17:32
Travis: It's like how digestible each one of those phases can be.
17:34
Travis: They're not going to throw all four.
17:36
Travis: That's why it's done in phases, right?
17:38
Josh: Mm-hmm.
17:38
Travis: If they try to hit you with all four of these things, or if we were all hit with all four of these things, you know, if this was an actual project, it would be too much for our tiny little brains to wrap around.
17:49
Travis: Yeah.
17:50
Travis: So you do it in these small little tidbits.
17:53
Travis: Like they say, how do you eat an elephant?
17:55
Travis: Well, one bite at a time.
17:56
Travis: Well, this is given to us one bite at a time.
17:58
Travis: So phase one.
17:59
Josh: Who the hell is eating an elephant?
18:02
Josh: People eat elephants all the time, Josh.
18:04
Travis: Do they?
18:04
Travis: Like, I don't know.
18:06
Travis: I don't want that.
18:07
Travis: I'm sure that was based in reality.
18:09
Travis: That the Ibion.
18:10
Travis: No, it's just that like because it's an animal and it's big.
18:14
Josh: If I were to eat an elephant, which I would not, I would do it in two bites at a time.
18:19
Travis: You would do it in two bites?
18:20
Josh: Two, I and I wouldn't even call them bites.
18:22
Josh: I'd call them phases.
18:23
Travis: Okay.
18:23
Travis: But the way that that is You're right.
18:26
Travis: The way that it's set up is to make it easier.
18:29
Travis: Like if you more believable.
18:31
Travis: Yes.
18:32
Travis: We say in our house, when we're going through something that's really hard, we can do anything for 10 seconds, right?
18:38
Josh: Yeah.
18:38
Travis: And if you can get through that 10 seconds, then you're gonna you're gonna be okay.
18:42
Travis: And then you just break it down in increments of 10 seconds.
18:45
Travis: It's a very easy way to deal with anxiety that way.
18:48
Josh: Yeah.
18:48
Travis: Or no, a phase.
18:50
Travis: So given to us in these small, smaller bites, yeah.
18:55
Travis: They still seem crazy, but it's like a crazy you can approach.
18:58
Travis: And then it's a slippery slope from there to introduce all these other things.
19:01
Travis: So like I think that if this was really carried out, it's pretty brilliant.
19:06
Travis: Yeah, I mean, I don't think it would go exactly like this.
19:09
Travis: You just said you can't wrap your head around how people can steal from a U scan.
19:13
Travis: So like nobody's coming to us for pointers on how to run this.
19:17
Travis: I'm just saying, like, as a human, this is this is somebody who I think understands the human psyche better than we do.
19:24
Josh: Yeah.
19:24
Travis: And approaching things in this way.
19:27
Josh: Yeah.
19:28
Josh: And this guy, Serge Manast, I think he was more just mentally masturbating his knowledge of technology that he knew in 1990.
19:38
Josh: He's like, I know what's happening, I know what's gonna be, you know, he's just saying, like, this is what's gonna happen.
19:44
Josh: And I mean, I could be wrong, but it seems as though he really wanted people to know that he knew a lot about technology.
19:51
Josh: Like you said, what if it isn't something up in the sky?
19:54
Josh: What if it's AI in our palms?
19:56
Josh: You know, what if it's not up in the clouds, but the cloud?
20:01
Travis: Yep.
20:02
Travis: I mean, that was just his interpretation of this product.
20:04
Josh: Right.
20:05
Travis: And so he could have changed, you know, one or two bigger factors or just didn't understand the full picture, but was just talking about something that maybe he'd I don't know.
20:15
Travis: I don't even know where this idea came from.
20:16
Travis: Like, did it spring out of his head, whole cloth, or was it something from maybe Gene Roddenberry?
20:24
Josh: Yeah, I mean, it it could have been, I think it was a combination.
20:28
Travis: Okay, well, let's talk a little bit about some arguments against Project Bluebeam.
20:33
Travis: Okay.
20:33
Travis: Bluebeam often feels like it's borrowing from sci-fi, and people have pointed out that it lines up a little too well with certain fictional plots.
20:40
Travis: In the broader Bluebeam conversation, there's a recurring idea that fiction trains people to imagine a scenario, so then scenario feels believable later.
20:48
Travis: Two references that get mentioned in Bluebeam circles.
20:51
Travis: Star Trek The Next Generation, specifically the 1991 episode Devils Do, where they cover advanced tech and it's used to pose as a godlike figure, Gene Roddenberry concepts sometimes referenced in conspiracy retellings as uncanny parallels, including ideas about manufactured belief and staged cosmic narratives.
21:10
Travis: Gene Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek.
21:12
Travis: So, what would reality have to look like for this to be plausible?
21:15
Josh: Yeah.
21:16
Travis: You'd have to have coordination.
21:17
Travis: This theory would need mind-blowing global teamwork, governments, tech, and media to pull off over multiple stages without a single solid leak blowing the whole thing open.
21:26
Travis: That'd be hard.
21:27
Travis: Yeah, yeah.
21:28
Travis: Uh, people are idiots and they love to share this kind of stuff.
21:31
Josh: Yeah, you got a secret, you gotta say it.
21:33
Travis: It's like one of the like there's this book, Mindhunter, about this guy who cracked down and studied modern day serial killers.
21:41
Travis: And one of the things that he found is that every single one of them wanted their story to be told.
21:46
Travis: Every single one.
21:47
Travis: And that was usually what led to them getting caught.
21:49
Travis: Is they just couldn't hold it in, especially if it's been a while since they either committed this crime or it's been a while since they've had any interest in it.
21:58
Travis: They want to bring Up the narrative again that they've done this and gotten away with it.
22:03
Travis: They want to be seen as clever.
22:04
Travis: And the way they're going to be seen as clever is if they get caught.
22:07
Josh: Yeah.
22:07
Josh: And that was, I mean, going back to the Socoro incident, where, you know, if it was pranksters, that's the thing, is no one fessed up.
22:16
Travis: What we could say is like people are very vain.
22:18
Travis: Right.
22:18
Travis: Right.
22:18
Travis: And if they come up with something clever, they want credit for it.
22:22
Travis: We saw that with uh the guys that did prop circles, right?
22:25
Travis: They they just couldn't help talking about it.
22:27
Josh: Right.
22:27
Josh: You want to brag or you want to impress someone at somewhere, you know.
22:31
Josh: But I don't know.
22:33
Josh: Okay, so I don't know much about the Manhattan Project, but I've heard that they almost perfectly pulled that off without any leaks.
22:41
Travis: Yeah, they built a town and they brought everybody the the way they did it, because the way a lot of this information got out, and they cover this in the movie Oppenheimer, is like scientists will, you know, if they're away from their families, might tend to stray a little bit, and they will start to talk to people they meet or mistresses and start sharing this information.
23:00
Travis: And so they moved entire families over to this little town that they had built, and so they could control all the information coming in and out.
23:06
Travis: And no internet back then.
23:08
Travis: Yeah, interesting.
23:09
Travis: Everybody's mail was being opened, so they had quarantined everybody, and that was a big part of the success of the secrecy of that project.
23:17
Josh: Huh.
23:17
Josh: And they wouldn't be able to do something on a mass scale like that.
23:20
Travis: It wasn't until they started testing that people were like, holy shit, what is happening on the desert?
23:24
Travis: Yeah.
23:25
Travis: So technology versus perception, even if you could fake the sites, you'd still run into problems with recordings not matching up, getting people to independently confirm things and the simple fact that billions of folks don't see things the same way, especially with different cultures and beliefs.
23:39
Travis: Now we get into human behavior.
23:40
Travis: The theory relies on spectacle to achieve mass compliance, assuming diverse populations will share one interpretation instead of offering competing explanations.
23:49
Travis: And then scale.
23:50
Travis: How do you carry out something this big?
23:51
Travis: Bluebeam is obsessed with scale, global, simultaneous, universal.
23:55
Travis: That scale is what makes it scary and also what makes it hard.
23:59
Travis: Like it's not heavy, it's just awkwardly shaped.
24:02
Travis: Yeah.
24:03
Travis: Thanks to add.
24:04
Travis: I don't care.
24:06
Travis: Like, let's just get the couch in the house.
24:07
Travis: I could lift it, it's just a weird shape.
24:10
Travis: Not that I can't.
24:11
Travis: I'm strong enough to do this.
24:12
Josh: Super strong.
24:13
Josh: I could lift this house if it wasn't so big.
24:15
Travis: If it wasn't so foundation to the ground.
24:18
Josh: Yeah.
24:18
Josh: It is hard for me to believe that this could be pulled off, but I do know that there are brilliant minds.
24:26
Josh: And now with AI in the mix, I don't know what's possible.
24:30
Travis: I think they've got the recipe, but I don't think that it would actually happen.
24:34
Travis: I think you can have a recipe for something and put it together, and you're like, oh shit, this is gonna be like the best pizza ever.
24:40
Travis: And then it turns out to be just like a wad of goop.
24:44
Travis: And you're like said, ah, it's pizza.
24:47
Josh: Yeah, I've had a fried chicken recipe for a really long time and I just haven't done it.
24:50
Josh: And you're just like, eh.
24:51
Travis: Yeah.
24:51
Travis: Mike Tyson has a quote everybody has a plan until you get punched in the face, right?
24:57
Travis: Yeah.
24:57
Travis: You having this recipe does not make it like a perfect plan.
25:00
Travis: Like you still have scale and human nature.
25:04
Josh: And just coordinate.
25:05
Josh: I mean, yeah, just like all the things you said, technology, you know, that needs to catch up.
25:10
Josh: Yep.
25:10
Josh: But we might be needing to deal with a different problem once that technology is caught up.
25:15
Travis: What they're not covering here, though, is a timeline.
25:18
Josh: Yeah, we don't have a timeline.
25:20
Josh: I mean, it could be a hundred-year timeline.
25:22
Travis: Yep.
25:23
Travis: As long as it takes, you know.
25:24
Josh: Yeah.
25:25
Josh: That's the scary part.
25:26
Josh: You know, we may be in the middle of it right now.
25:29
Josh: And especially with like some of the fake alien stuff in this whole Jersey thing and the stuff happening around the world.
25:37
Josh: I don't know what's going on, and no one else does either.
25:40
Josh: I mean, some people do, but it is very odd.
25:43
Josh: Yeah.
25:44
Josh: Project Bluebeam in its original form isn't really about aliens.
25:49
Josh: It's about authority.
25:50
Josh: It's about whether belief can be engineered, whether awe can be weaponized, or whether fear can make people volunteer for control, which is just a weird sentence.
26:00
Josh: The alien invasion piece is the ultimate lever, not because aliens are the point, but because an outside threat is the fastest way to unify people through panic.
26:09
Josh: And that's what makes this theory linger.
26:11
Josh: Even if you don't buy the literal mechanics, the emotional truth underneath it is something that a lot of people feel that institutions lie, narratives get managed, and that perception gets shaped.
26:23
Josh: And that crisis is the ultimate sales pitch.
26:27
Travis: You talked about voluntarily giving up control.
26:29
Josh: Yeah.
26:30
Travis: Let's think about a crisis for a second.
26:31
Travis: Like your house burns down, right?
26:33
Travis: You have nowhere to go.
26:34
Josh: Yeah.
26:35
Travis: You have a family to take care of, but somebody comes in and says, Well, you're going to be safer if you go to this space.
26:40
Travis: And you're like, Well, my car seems kind of safe, but this guy here, I'll just give up my idea of what safety is and put my hands in this person's care.
26:50
Travis: Yeah.
26:50
Travis: Or put the care of my family in this person's care because he seems to know what's best.
26:54
Travis: He's in control.
26:55
Travis: He's here.
26:56
Travis: He's a firefighter.
26:57
Travis: He's beautiful.
26:58
Travis: Yeah, beautiful.
26:59
Travis: He's got a big bristly bushy mustache.
27:01
Travis: Of course, you're going to follow him.
27:03
Travis: So in those kind of cases where you are put in a very extreme situation, it is very easy to give up control.
27:09
Travis: And you are voluntarily giving it up.
27:11
Josh: Yeah.
27:11
Travis: I mean, if if someone offers a solution, they're not asking you to just, they're not coming to your house and saying, Josh Snoggrass, I work for the US government.
27:21
Travis: Please give over control of everything within your house.
27:23
Travis: We're talking finances, firearms, anything that you have in your house, you're not going to do it.
27:27
Travis: But if we create an idea or a scenario where now your life and your family's life is in jeopardy, you're going to give that control up pretty quick to somebody who feels like or seems like they know what they're doing.
27:38
Josh: Yeah.
27:39
Travis: So that's what they're doing is they're setting up a crisis to have you give that up.
27:43
Travis: The person that came up with this has the recipe.
27:45
Travis: They're just not, it's just going to be a very hard thing to pull off because of human nature, because of people being people.
27:52
Josh: Yeah.
27:53
Josh: And we didn't cover this in the phase four, but basically after the event, they're going to do a memory wipe on everyone.
28:00
Josh: So basically, we won't remember the before times.
28:04
Josh: They're going to change everything.
28:06
Josh: And that's part of Serge Manasse's Project Bluebeam, that we are going to lose our history, but the data will still be there.
28:13
Josh: So the people control will still have that information about us.
28:17
Josh: Kind of remind me of uh Silo, where they basically erase history and no one's allowed to have any artifacts from the past.
28:26
Josh: It's basically for control.
28:27
Josh: It's all about control so that no one questions because they don't remember the before days.
28:32
Josh: And I don't, I don't think that technology exists either, but it might someday.
28:37
Josh: But yeah, it's spooky.
28:39
Josh: I don't want to believe this.
28:41
Josh: You know, so I mean, we're not gonna do aliens, yes, maybe no.
28:44
Josh: But it's like, do I believe it or not?
28:47
Josh: I don't believe it, but I could believe it, if that makes sense.
28:51
Josh: Sadly, just especially seeing where the world's going today.
28:54
Travis: I feel like it's within human nature to want to do this, but I also feel like it's within human nature to never have this happen.
29:01
Travis: We're too chaotic.
29:03
Josh: Mm-hmm.
29:03
Travis: And even if they were to get like 40% of the population to comply to something like this, that's just that's not enough and it's not gonna last.
29:13
Josh: Right.
29:13
Travis: We're just we're just too chaotic.
29:15
Travis: And like anarchy is probably gonna be our longest legacy.
29:20
Josh: Well, and I think humans have curiosity and wonder and purpose, you know.
29:25
Josh: So if you take away that purpose, I think it'll manifest again.
29:29
Josh: You know, I think there'll be a lot of rebellion.
29:32
Josh: If life isn't right, we'll still figure out that it's not right, no matter what.
29:37
Josh: So we can't be controlled in that aspect.
29:39
Josh: It may be like an era of humanity if it could come true, but I don't think it would be the rest of humanity.
29:46
Josh: I think that it would have an eventual end.
29:49
Travis: Right.
29:49
Josh: Because we're resilient.
29:50
Josh: If I've learned anything from Hollywood, we're resilient.
29:53
Travis: Good job.
29:53
Travis: You settled it.
29:54
Travis: Okay.
29:55
Josh: I did.
29:55
Josh: Well now we have nothing left to do but a quiz.
29:58
Josh: Oh fuck.
29:59
Josh: All right.
30:01
Josh: So before we get to the quiz, I just wanted to let you know we're not gonna tell you to follow us or subscribe or leave reviews or tell your friends.
30:12
Josh: So I just wanted you to know we're not gonna do that.
30:15
Travis: Good.
30:15
Travis: Thank you.
30:16
Travis: Yeah.
30:16
Travis: Are you telling me or are you telling the listener?
30:18
Josh: I'm telling myself that.
30:20
Travis: Good, good.
30:20
Travis: We don't need you guys.
30:21
Travis: Yeah, I can do this.
30:23
Travis: Just kidding, please.
30:24
Travis: Please God.
30:25
Josh: I couldn't hold it either.
30:26
Josh: Please do it.
30:27
Josh: We need it.
30:28
Josh: But yeah, we can get to the quiz.
30:30
Josh: I got it.
30:31
Josh: Oh, that word.
30:33
Josh: Okay, so this will be our topic for next episode.
30:40
Travis: What is this?
30:42
Josh: It says baseline Vargina.
30:45
Josh: I'm sure they're saying that right.
30:48
Josh: Varginna?
30:50
Josh: You know what I'm gonna call it.
30:51
Josh: Virgin Virginia?
30:53
Travis: Yeah.
30:54
Josh: So the Virginia, Virginia incident.
30:56
Josh: Mm-hmm.
30:57
Josh: Okay.
30:58
Josh: Obviously, you know what that is.
31:00
Travis: Yeah, of course.
31:01
Travis: I've seen it at the What?
31:02
Josh: Where?
31:03
Travis: I'm married.
31:04
Josh: And they consider that an incident?
31:06
Travis: That's what you call it every time you see it, because it doesn't happen all that often.
31:10
Josh: That's true.
31:10
Josh: Um, okay.
31:12
Josh: I have no idea how to say this or what it is.
31:15
Josh: What do you think it is?
31:17
Travis: I have I don't know.
31:18
Travis: I have no idea.
31:18
Travis: I don't know.
31:19
Travis: You're asking me.
31:19
Travis: Why are you asking me?
31:21
Josh: I don't know.
31:21
Josh: I'm trying to get answers.
31:22
Josh: I'm just I'm giving the same I'm getting the same information you do.
31:25
Josh: I'm seeing this for the first time.
31:26
Josh: Okay, okay.
31:27
Josh: All right.
31:28
Josh: So first question.
31:29
Josh: Wh I this word, when did the Vargina incident take place?
31:34
Travis: We gotta decide on one pronunciation.
31:36
Travis: Otherwise, this is gonna take a really long time and be very.
31:39
Travis: Let's call it Vargina for now.
31:42
Travis: Okay.
31:43
Josh: We'll have it correct after we learn.
31:45
Josh: So when did the Vargina incident take place?
31:48
Josh: Is it A, August 1952, B, January 1996, C, March 2001, or D, October 2012?
31:59
Josh: I mean 2001.
32:02
Travis: That's what you think?
32:03
Josh: That's what I think.
32:04
Josh: I think that was a big Virginia year.
32:06
Josh: Okay.
32:07
Travis: That sounds right.
32:07
Travis: I'm sorry 2012.
32:11
Josh: Oh, you're doing 2012?
32:12
Travis: Yeah.
32:13
Josh: I was thinking that too, but yeah, I'm gonna stick with 2001.
32:16
Josh: Okay.
32:16
Josh: Next one.
32:17
Josh: The Virginia incident is also known as blank.
32:21
Josh: A Brazil's Roswell, B, Italy's Mothman, C, Ghana's Rendelsham, or D Panama's Phoenix Lights.
32:31
Josh: Oh my gosh.
32:32
Josh: Wild.
32:33
Josh: I hope all these are real.
32:38
Travis: I mean, like, maybe.
32:40
Travis: I I mean, I would hope Italy has a Mothman.
32:42
Travis: I will I would I want a Mothman for everybody.
32:44
Travis: Yeah.
32:44
Josh: That's true.
32:45
Josh: Man.
32:46
Travis: I'm gonna say Brazil's Roswell.
32:48
Josh: That's what I was thinking.
32:49
Josh: Okay, perfect.
32:50
Josh: Okay, next one.
32:52
Josh: What weird material detail was described at the Vargina crash site?
32:57
Josh: A memory metal that sprang back to shape.
33:00
Josh: B, rock that glowed blue at night.
33:03
Josh: C, a substance that turned to dust when touched, or D, glass that melted in low temperatures.
33:10
Josh: So what weird material at the crash site?
33:12
Josh: Okay, so a crash.
33:14
Josh: So maybe we're right on the Brazil Roswell.
33:16
Josh: That was a crash.
33:17
Josh: Um, if it is the Roswell, I'm gonna say memory metal, because that was a Roswell thing.
33:23
Travis: Okay.
33:23
Travis: You're not gonna say because it kind of sounds like vagina, substance that turned in dust when touched.
33:29
Josh: Like the mummy.
33:30
Josh: No, I'm not.
33:32
Josh: But I do like the idea of glowing rocks.
33:35
Travis: Yeah, I think that's a pretty cool thing.
33:37
Travis: Um, I'm also gonna say memory metal.
33:39
Josh: Okay.
33:39
Josh: I feel like we're doing well.
33:41
Josh: I hope we are.
33:43
Josh: Okay, next one.
33:44
Josh: Who reported encountering a strange creature crouched against a wall?
33:49
Josh: Oh no, what?
33:50
Josh: A two barbers on a break in an alley.
33:53
Josh: Sounds like a setup for a joke.
33:55
Josh: B, a mother watching children at a park.
33:58
Josh: C, a dog catcher responding to a call, or D three teens walking through an empty lot.
34:04
Josh: I don't think there's many walls at parks, first of all.
34:08
Josh: There could be.
34:09
Josh: I mean, there could be, but it's usually pretty open.
34:12
Josh: Depends on your park.
34:13
Josh: Well, my park has no walls.
34:16
Travis: Your park could be an abandoned building or structure.
34:20
Travis: In a derelec building.
34:22
Travis: It could.
34:23
Travis: It could.
34:24
Josh: You're right.
34:25
Josh: I don't think it's the two barbers.
34:28
Travis: I'm gonna say two barbers in an alley because there's walls in an alley, and I know to never trust teens.
34:33
Josh: I was thinking the teens.
34:35
Travis: Yeah, of course you were.
34:37
Josh: I'm gonna say three teens walking through a lot.
34:40
Josh: Uh-huh.
34:41
Josh: Okay, next one.
34:42
Josh: How were the entities involved described?
34:46
Josh: A, seven to eight feet tall, bulky with dark red fur.
34:50
Travis: Ugh.
34:51
Josh: Oh, yeah.
34:52
Josh: B, two feet tall with translucent skin, oversized heads, and big round pupils.
34:58
Josh: C, four to five feet tall, oily skin, large red eyes, and three horns.
35:04
Josh: Oh man.
35:05
Josh: Or D, six feet tall, human-like, wearing a helmet and suit.
35:10
Travis: I mean, I like that one.
35:11
Travis: But would you is that reportable?
35:13
Travis: That's just like a regular tall guy with a helmet.
35:16
Travis: Yeah, exactly.
35:17
Travis: And a suit?
35:18
Travis: What is a suit?
35:19
Travis: Like a space suit?
35:21
Travis: Yeah.
35:21
Travis: But would you report that?
35:22
Travis: Probably not.
35:24
Josh: No, I would just kind of look away.
35:26
Travis: If it was like maybe 1956, you might.
35:28
Josh: Yeah, I guess that's true.
35:30
Travis: One of the other years that we're given if we were wrong about our dates?
35:32
Josh: Someone's not doing what they're supposed to be doing.
35:34
Travis: Anything after that, like after the 60s, it was just like uh people just are gonna walk around wearing whatever they want.
35:40
Josh: It's true.
35:40
Josh: That is very accurate.
35:43
Travis: So I'm just going off my responses.
35:46
Travis: Okay.
35:47
Travis: So crouched against a wall.
35:50
Travis: Big, maybe.
35:52
Travis: Could be big, but crouched, so it's not gonna appear big.
35:56
Josh: I'm kind of going through like all the alien species that we learned about on our alien species episode, and I I don't remember horned.
36:04
Josh: Yeah.
36:05
Josh: Some of these don't sound familiar to me.
36:07
Travis: Like, put yourself in those three teens' heads for a little bit, and which one of these would be the most shocking?
36:14
Travis: Like, do you think teens are little tiny tattletales, or do you think they would see something and it would have to be something so like insane?
36:22
Travis: Yeah, so outside of what they would normally see that they would report it.
36:26
Josh: Yeah, it would have to be wild.
36:28
Josh: So I don't think it's you're right, it's not human-like.
36:31
Josh: I don't remember dark fur.
36:33
Josh: I don't remember three horns.
36:34
Josh: So I'm gonna say two feet tall with translucent skin.
36:36
Josh: That's what I'm going with.
36:38
Travis: Oversized heads and big round pupils.
36:40
Josh: Yep.
36:41
Josh: What about you?
36:42
Travis: I'm gonna say, I mean, to see a two-foot-tall thing crouching in an alley, you probably miss it.
36:47
Travis: So I don't think that's what my barber saw.
36:49
Travis: I'm gonna say seven to eight feet tall.
36:51
Travis: Bulky, dark red fur.
36:53
Josh: Okay.
36:54
Travis: Moving on.
36:55
Josh: All right.
36:55
Josh: Last question.
36:57
Josh: What happened to Officer Cerez after he captured one of the creatures with his bare hands?
37:04
Travis: Oh shit.
37:04
Travis: So yours is probably right then.
37:06
Travis: Caught him with his bare hands?
37:08
Travis: Uh had to be small.
37:10
Josh: I mean, I don't know.
37:11
Josh: I don't know what this officer looked like.
37:13
Josh: You could be a grizzly man.
37:14
Travis: Yeah, but it would have to be small, like probably two feet, you would say.
37:19
Josh: Yeah.
37:19
Josh: I mean, that would make sense.
37:20
Josh: Yeah.
37:21
Travis: If I was chasing a giant man down the street, I wouldn't say I caught him with my bare hands.
37:26
Travis: I would say I tackled him.
37:27
Josh: Right.
37:27
Josh: I caught him with my body.
37:29
Travis: Yeah, I used my body against his body and I slowed him down.
37:32
Josh: I wrestled him.
37:33
Travis: I wouldn't say I caught him with my bare hands.
37:35
Travis: Like that's something you'd say, like if you caught a bird.
37:38
Josh: Or a lizard, yeah.
37:39
Travis: Or a rabbit.
37:40
Travis: Yeah.
37:40
Travis: I caught it with my bare hands.
37:42
Josh: Okay.
37:42
Josh: Cool.
37:42
Josh: I'm feeling good about my answer then.
37:44
Josh: So what happened to Officer Cerez after he captured one of the creatures with his bare hands?
37:49
Josh: A, it communicated with him telepathically.
37:52
Josh: B, he helped it escape from the hospital.
37:56
Josh: C, he was visited by the men in black.
38:01
Josh: Or D, he died of an infection from an unknown substance.
38:06
Josh: You know what?
38:07
Josh: I just got a flash of, I think I've heard the story.
38:10
Josh: So I'm gonna have you answer.
38:12
Travis: Okay.
38:12
Travis: I think he communicated with him telepathically.
38:14
Josh: And I might be wrong, but my answer is he died of an infection from an unknown substance.
38:19
Josh: I think this is a story where the guy got scratched and it got infected very quickly.
38:25
Travis: Oh boy.
38:26
Josh: So that is all the questions.
38:27
Josh: We're gonna view our accuracy.
38:29
Josh: Okay.
38:31
Travis: Oh.
38:31
Travis: Right.
38:34
Josh: Okay.
38:34
Josh: Well, let's go through this.
38:35
Josh: So when did oh, this word.
38:37
Josh: When did the Vargina incident take place?
38:40
Josh: You said October 2012.
38:43
Josh: I said March 2001.
38:45
Josh: It was January 1996.
38:47
Josh: Okay, good to know.
38:49
Josh: The Vargina incident is also known as blank.
38:52
Josh: I said Brazil's Roswell.
38:55
Travis: Yep, so did I.
38:56
Josh: Well, that is correct.
38:57
Josh: Cool.
38:58
Josh: What weird material detail was described at the Vargina crash site?
39:02
Josh: We both said memory metal that sprang back to shape.
39:05
Josh: Yeah.
39:05
Josh: Going off the Roswell.
39:07
Josh: And that is correct.
39:08
Josh: Like in this.
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Josh: Who reported encountering a strange creature crash against a wall?
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Josh: I said three teens.
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Travis: Little fucking tidletes.
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Josh: It was the three teens.
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Josh: It was not the barbers.
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Travis: No.
39:20
Josh: Next one.
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Josh: How were these entities involved described?
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Josh: I said two feet tall with translucent skin, oversized heads, and big round pupils.
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Travis: Yep.
39:29
Travis: And I said seven to eight feet tall, which I knew was wrong.
39:33
Travis: This was the hardest one for me to answer.
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Travis: My gut was telling me four to five, but I went against my gut, as I always do.
39:39
Travis: I don't know why I'm still alive.
39:41
Travis: Because you feed it.
39:42
Travis: Guess so.
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Josh: The answer is four to five feet tall, oily skin, large red eyes, and three horns.
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Josh: That's new to me.
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Josh: So last one, what happened to Officer Cerez after he captured one of the creatures with his bare hands?
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Josh: I said he died of an infection from an unknown substance.
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Travis: Yep.
39:59
Travis: I said communicated with him telepathically.
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Josh: Died of an infection is correct.
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Travis: Which I think mine is the coolest one.
40:07
Josh: Oh, yeah, without a doubt.
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Travis: Like you just pick it up and then you just feel it vibrating and then it's talking to you.
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Josh: That'd be pretty depending on how fast he died, we may not know.
40:15
Josh: That could have happened.
40:16
Travis: Sure.
40:17
Travis: So okay, this is cool.
40:18
Travis: I'm glad we're getting into this.
40:20
Travis: More of like uh alienslash cryptid type thing versus Project Blue Bean.
40:27
Josh: Yeah, it makes me feel icky.
40:28
Travis: That is uh it's a bummer to think about.
40:31
Josh: It is.
40:31
Josh: Well, we're gonna be talking about Brazil's Roswell.
40:35
Josh: What is it?
40:35
Josh: Close encounter three.
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Travis: Memory metal involved uh some teens, uh, a little three-horned sitting red-eyed people scratcher.
40:45
Josh: Yeah, I'm excited.
40:46
Josh: This is gonna be really interesting.
40:48
Josh: Well, thank you for listening, and thank you for being awesome and telling everyone you know about us.
40:55
Josh: It's really helping.
40:56
Josh: Yeah, I think.
40:57
Josh: And thank you, Jordan, for putting this quiz together or quiz master, putting our notes and guiding us on this journey.
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Josh: We will chat at you next episode.
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Travis: Yay, bye.