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Sharri | 13 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Shari.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening Australia. I'm Kler Bond filling in for Shari
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Speaker 2: this week. Well tonight, new polling reveals a drop in
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Speaker 2: support for one nation, but how much can we actually
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Speaker 2: read into it?
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Speaker 1: I'll have more with my panel.
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Speaker 2: Plus, the Royal Commission into Anti Semitism continues as more
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Speaker 2: students and teachers continue to feel unsafe on campus, and
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Speaker 2: cricket is returning to Australia Day but without the national
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Speaker 2: anthem or in Mundane will give me his thoughts now.
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Speaker 2: The Federal Opposition went basically all in on artificial intelligence today,
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Speaker 2: declaring that winning the AI race is a national security imperative.
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Speaker 2: Those are the words of Opposition Defense spokesman James Patterson
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Speaker 2: ahead of a speech by the Prime Minister on Wednesday
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Speaker 2: that will outline the government's view on AI and how
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Speaker 2: it intends to regulate it. Mister Patterson, on this basis
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Speaker 2: of national security reasoning, is arguing against imposing too many
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Speaker 2: rules on the sector. In fact, his claimed that the
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Speaker 2: push to restrict artificial intelligence and the massive data centers
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Speaker 2: that come with it, is at least in part being
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Speaker 2: driven by quote, foreign authoritarian states that are basically trying
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Speaker 2: to see distrust of AI in Western nations to create
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Speaker 2: negative community sentiment, thereby forcing governments to restrict it so
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Speaker 2: they that is, those authoritarian countries, they can then just
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Speaker 2: gobble up all the technology and have an advantage over us.
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Speaker 2: Mister Patterson told The Australian the nations who secure sovereign
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Speaker 2: AI will not just win commercial and economic advantages, but
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Speaker 2: a strategic and military edge too, so we should not
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Speaker 2: be surprised if foreign authoritarian states try to throw sand
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Speaker 2: in the gears of AI adoption among their potential rivals.
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Speaker 2: Australia should not allow foreign interference to get in the
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Speaker 2: way of the immense opportunities offered by data center investment
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Speaker 2: and the sovereign AI capabilities that come with it, the
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Speaker 2: MENSIS Research sens of Centers I should say, policy director
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Speaker 2: Jared Williamson also told The Odds that there'd been reports
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Speaker 2: of Chinese, Iranian and Russian state media pushing messages to
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Speaker 2: Americans quote portraying the boom as a way for the
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Speaker 2: powerful to profit while ordinary families pay higher bills. He said, overseas,
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Speaker 2: the public support on which these projects depend is being
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Speaker 2: deliberately eroded. By foreign states seeking to slow the West's
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Speaker 2: AI build out. There is a little reason to think.
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Speaker 2: He says that Australia will be exempt for Australia hoping
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Speaker 2: to attract tens of billions in new investment. That is
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Speaker 2: a real risk. Investment is mobile and easily spooked, and
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Speaker 2: an offshore campaign the developer never sees, can turn a
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Speaker 2: community against a project, raising the cost of building here. Now,
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Speaker 2: all of this might be true. Foreign countries like China
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Speaker 2: and Russia may be running interference in Western nations to
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Speaker 2: slow down AI. Hear, while they power ahead just spark
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Speaker 2: business on their part, I suppose, But I'm not sure
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Speaker 2: that China and Russia and Iran are going all in
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Speaker 2: on AI, so we must too is quite the argument
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Speaker 2: they think it is. There are real and legitimate concerns
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Speaker 2: about artificial intelligence that exist completely independently of any foreign
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Speaker 2: interference campaign. And I don't think telling people that they
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Speaker 2: just have to put up with it because of what
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Speaker 2: China does, and if they do it first, they're going
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Speaker 2: to you know, I mean, it's not going to win
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Speaker 2: anyone over. If China was building a machine to blow
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Speaker 2: up the world, would you argue that we should also
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Speaker 2: build a machine to blow up the world so that
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Speaker 2: we can.
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Speaker 1: Have the privilege of doing it first.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not suggesting that AI will blow up the world,
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Speaker 2: but this is in many respects uncharted territory, and the
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Speaker 2: more intelligence we give artificial intelligence, the more likely it
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Speaker 2: is that that sort of thing could eventually happen. You're
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Speaker 2: basically giving computers the ability to think for themselves when
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Speaker 2: you start putting them in charge of things and having
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Speaker 2: aipowered robots and all this stuff. It's not beyond the
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Speaker 2: realms of possibility. The technology could essentially rise up against us.
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Speaker 2: I know, I know, it sounds like a movie, and
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Speaker 2: you might think it's ridiculous that the robots could kill
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Speaker 2: us all and I'm just a ladite and all the
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Speaker 2: rest of it.
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Speaker 1: But this is not a joke.
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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is that we may have to accept
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Speaker 2: to some degree that artificial intelligence is now a fact
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Speaker 2: of life, but we should be very careful about allowing
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Speaker 2: it to go on unfettered out of fear that other
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Speaker 2: countries might go further, or that we might lose investment,
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Speaker 2: because there's a lot more than just money at stake here.
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Speaker 2: It's the future of the world. And humanity itself. Jeffrey
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Speaker 2: Hinton is one of the world's foremost experts on artificial intelligence.
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Speaker 2: He's known as the godfather of AI.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: He used to work at Google, but he left three
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Speaker 2: years ago so he could speak out about the dangers
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Speaker 2: of AI. He said that in part, he regrets his
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Speaker 2: life's work, and that's a serious thing for a man
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Speaker 2: who has a Nobel Prize in physics for his work.
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Speaker 1: On machine learning.
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Speaker 2: He warned in an interview a year ago that artificial
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Speaker 2: intelligence could effectively supersede humans.
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Speaker 4: My greatest fear is that in the long run, it'll
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Speaker 4: turn out that these kind of digital beings we're creating
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Speaker 4: are just a better form of intelligence than people. There
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Speaker 4: are some people who think we're very self centered to
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Speaker 4: think that would be a bad thing. I think it
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Speaker 4: would be a bad thing for people, because we'd no
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Speaker 4: longer be needed. If you want to know what it's
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Speaker 4: like not to be the apex intelligence, ask a chicken.
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Speaker 2: Now that is a deep concept to think about, but
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Speaker 2: we must think about it.
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Speaker 1: In this AI race.
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Speaker 2: We have to think not just about the technology and
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Speaker 2: the techno logical advancement, but people as well. This isn't
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Speaker 2: like the Industrial Revolution. This isn't about machines that men control.
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Speaker 2: What we're building here are machines that ultimately don't need
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Speaker 2: to be controlled by men. In fact, that's kind of
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Speaker 2: the point. Now, that's not something that we should be
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Speaker 2: doing under the pressure of a race, because the worst
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Speaker 2: case scenario is not just bad, it's catastrophic. Hinton has
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Speaker 2: also said, quote, we have to face the fact that
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Speaker 2: AI will get smarter than us. Our only hope is
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Speaker 2: to make them not want to harm us. If they
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Speaker 2: want to do us in we are done for. He says,
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Speaker 2: we have to make them benevolent. That is what we
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Speaker 2: have to focus on now. He estimates that there is
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Speaker 2: a ten to twenty percent chance of AI taking over
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Speaker 2: the world if we don't manage to make it benevolent,
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Speaker 2: a one in five chance AI could take over and
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Speaker 2: then potentially destroy the world or at the very least
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Speaker 2: humanity as we know it, human race.
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Speaker 1: Who knows what it could do. That should scare you.
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Speaker 2: And this is the problem with the AI or race,
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Speaker 2: because when you're under pressure, mistakes are more likely to happen,
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Speaker 2: mistakes in this case that could be deadly.
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Speaker 1: Sure, let's bring in lots.
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Speaker 2: Of investment but if there's a chance that that could
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Speaker 2: ultimately contribute to the downfall of the human race, then
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Speaker 2: I think it's quite fair that we say, hang on
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Speaker 2: a minute, let's put in some safeguards here. Three years
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Speaker 2: ago now, more than one thousand people in the tech
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Speaker 2: sector signed an open letter calling for a pause on
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Speaker 2: AI development until proper safeguards and regulations were in place.
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Speaker 2: The signatories included the most prominent tech boss in the world,
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk, and Apple co founder Steve Wozniak. The letter read,
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Speaker 2: in part, advanced AI could represent a profound change in
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Speaker 2: the history of life on Earth and should be planned
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Speaker 2: for and managed with commensurate care and resources. Unfortunately, this
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Speaker 2: level of planning and management is not happening, even though
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Speaker 2: recent months have seen AI labs locked in and out
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Speaker 2: of control race to develop and deploy ever more powerful
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Speaker 2: digital minds that no one, not even their creators, can understand, predict,
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Speaker 2: or reliably control. They called for a six month pause.
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Speaker 2: Three years on, AI has grown and improved on a
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Speaker 2: scale that is basically incomprehensible, and we are still talking about.
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Speaker 1: What sort of guardrails to put in place.
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Speaker 2: And I get that we don't want another country to
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Speaker 2: have access to a tool or a weapon that we
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Speaker 2: don't have. And so there is a legitimate argument that
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Speaker 2: at a defense and security level anyway, we have to
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Speaker 2: be all in on AI. But that doesn't mean it
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Speaker 2: should ever be unleashed unless absolutely necessary, And it doesn't
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Speaker 2: mean that we should un questioningly make the AI race
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Speaker 2: a major part of our economy because the consequences, as
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Speaker 2: I say, could be catastrophic. Now, I predicted on my
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Speaker 2: podcast last week. It's called Unserious. You can get it
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Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts. But I predicted that after
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Speaker 2: all this Carlie Minogue shagging business, that Anthony Alberanzi's approval
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Speaker 2: rating would go up.
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Speaker 1: Guess what.
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Speaker 2: The Resolve poll in the nine papers today had Alberanzi
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Speaker 2: overtaking paul In Hanson as preferred prime minister four points
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Speaker 2: from twenty nine percent last month to thirty three percent
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Speaker 2: this month.
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Speaker 1: So there you go. I told you so. But it
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Speaker 1: also had.
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Speaker 2: One nation down three points on first preferences to twenty
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Speaker 2: six percent, Coalition up three points to twenty three percent,
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Speaker 2: and labor holding steady at twenty eight points. Or to
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Speaker 2: get through this and a few other things, today have
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Speaker 2: the Bond Girls. Tonight, former Senator Holly Hughes is with
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Speaker 2: me and culture writer for The Australian Jenna Clark, the
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Speaker 2: Dream Team. Good to see you both, ladies and Holly.
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Speaker 2: How much do you think we can read into this poll?
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Speaker 2: I'm always skeptical about one poll. I'd like to sort
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Speaker 2: of watch a trend and see over the coming weeks
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Speaker 2: whether this is born out. But at this point, are
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Speaker 2: you worried about a dip for one nation?
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 6: And when you look at these sorts of polls, one
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Speaker 6: thing that they haven't put underneath there is what their
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Speaker 6: margin of error is, and their margin of error is
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Speaker 6: normally around three percent, So it could mean there's a
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Speaker 6: three percent drop, it could mean there's no drop. So
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Speaker 6: you just really don't know of one pole in itself.
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Speaker 6: I think what's interesting over the next two elections we're
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Speaker 6: going to face are the Victorian state election and the
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Speaker 6: New South Wales state election. And the Victoria poll out
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Speaker 6: today has one nation leading that charge. So it'll be
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Speaker 6: interesting to see as the elections unfold over the states
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Speaker 6: and moving towards the federal election cycle what happens. But
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Speaker 6: I can't believe anyone in the Liberal party will be
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Speaker 6: cheering on that they're still coming third. I mean, but
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Speaker 6: who is seriously voting for Alban Easy? I mean, this
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Speaker 6: guy is just a blog destroying the country and making
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Speaker 6: all these unbelievable comments that apparently women are deserting one nation,
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Speaker 6: what they're going back to to, you know, shag marry
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Speaker 6: date pm Albo. I mean it's right, when is he
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Speaker 6: going to walk around doing the melons there?
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Speaker 1: Well? Who knows.
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Speaker 2: And this is the thing, Jenna, As I said before,
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Speaker 2: I predicted that this would have no effect on the
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Speaker 2: prime minister whatsoever.
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Speaker 1: All this this carlimno.
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Speaker 2: Business and in fact that these numbers have gone up
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Speaker 2: as preferred prime minister.
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Speaker 1: It was a big media story, was well.
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Speaker 2: Covered that he went on that podcast and said what
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Speaker 2: he said, Jenna, But it doesn't seem and this was taken,
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Speaker 2: this polling was all done after he went on the podcast.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't seem to have affected him at all.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it is interesting. I mean, two thousand people,
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Speaker 7: it is quite a big poll. Obviously, its very similar
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Speaker 7: to news poll and things like that. So I'm really
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Speaker 7: looking forward to when that next one hits as well.
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Speaker 7: I think, Yeah, sure, these media stories become a bit
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Speaker 7: of a storm in a teacup for a lot of people,
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Speaker 7: because I think a lot of us forget when we
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Speaker 7: live inside this political and media bubble that people in
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Speaker 7: the real world just want to get on with their life.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 7: I know when you read a lot of the comments
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Speaker 7: on some of the stories that were published over the
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Speaker 7: last week about it, a lot of people were just saying,
12:15
Speaker 7: I don't care, move on. You know, this isn't this
12:17
Speaker 7: isn't a really big issue for me, you know when
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Speaker 7: and I've said this so many times on this show.
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Speaker 7: You know, butter is eleven dollars. It's hardly what I
12:23
Speaker 7: care about right now. So I think it is going
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Speaker 7: to be interesting to see how one nation specifically tackles
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Speaker 7: this moving as we move progress further into the winter break.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, I would say go to Alder you get cheaper
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Speaker 2: butter there, I've discovered, because indeed, funny, ridiculous trying to
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Speaker 2: buy batter in a normal supermarket now, god forbid, you
12:43
Speaker 2: want to try and get some of the artists and
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Speaker 2: stuff now ago this. So The Guardian published this piece
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Speaker 2: today basically having a go at paul In Hanson for
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Speaker 2: wanting to tighten English language requirements for incoming margrants. But
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Speaker 2: they interviewed a very successful refugee by the name of
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Speaker 2: Marsiah Razi who told them that learning English quote helped
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Speaker 2: me to get to know the Australian culture and how
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Speaker 2: things work, and also to be more confident with my English.
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Speaker 2: Was also helping me to navigate the system, you know,
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Speaker 2: whether it's the legal system, the education system, the culture.
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Speaker 2: She's now been admitted as a lawyer, which is the
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Speaker 2: tenor of this article. She came here, voted English, then
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Speaker 2: she learned English. Now she's all good. So the point
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Speaker 2: they're trying to make is that she came here, then
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Speaker 2: she learned English.
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Speaker 1: So basically, let.
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Speaker 2: Anyone in and let's hope that they'll learn the lingo.
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Speaker 2: But the reality is not everyone is like this woman
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Speaker 2: and Holly. Have they not unwittingly admitted that speaking English
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Speaker 2: is actually really important to integrating into Australia, which is
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Speaker 2: exactly the point that Pauline Hansen was making.
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Speaker 6: Well, I was reading that article and you know, I said,
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Speaker 6: hang on, they're actually making Paulaine's point. What she's said,
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Speaker 6: if you want to come here, you need to learn
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Speaker 6: the language and needs to become proficient in English so
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Speaker 6: you can participate as a full member of our community
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Speaker 6: in society, which is exactly what miss Razi has done,
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Speaker 6: and done it incredibly well. I mean, the thing is,
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Speaker 6: when you come to Australia, whether you're coming as a
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Speaker 6: refugee or you're coming as a migrant, before you become
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Speaker 6: a citizen, it actually takes quite a period of time.
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Speaker 6: You know, you go through a permanent residency and then
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Speaker 6: become a citizen. So no one, you know, is necessarily
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Speaker 6: saying you've got to get off the boat or you
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Speaker 6: get off the plane and you're proficient one hundred percent
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Speaker 6: in English straight away. But this woman has actually done
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Speaker 6: exactly what Pauline's saying, come here, learn the language, be
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Speaker 6: part of the culture, and be able to be a
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Speaker 6: contributing member of society. And I thought she sounded like
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Speaker 6: an outstanding young woman.
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Speaker 5: And I think the.
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Speaker 6: Guardian maybe thought they had a story that they didn't
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Speaker 6: actually end up with, but they had to run it anyway.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 2: Well, Jenna Musrazzi is also quoted in this story saying,
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Speaker 2: this is my favorite quote.
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Speaker 1: The whole thing.
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Speaker 2: She says, learning English is not that difficult. It's not
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Speaker 2: like flying a git or something just makes the point
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Speaker 2: even further.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, if anyone, I mean, I would love
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Speaker 7: more Australians to be learning more English, because we have
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Speaker 7: seen that our stats in schools, a lot of students
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Speaker 7: are not deciding to learn a second language. But I
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Speaker 7: wish more Australians would also embrace English exactly like this
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Speaker 7: incredible young woman has as well, because look of what
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Speaker 7: she has achieved, the best and brightest of us. So
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Speaker 7: I think a Holly and yourself calber right, I think
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Speaker 7: that this story just really proves Miss Hansen's point.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, now, new numbers today say that more than eight
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Speaker 2: hundred and forty thousand people have enrolled in the federal
15:32
Speaker 2: government's three point one billion dollar free tafe scheme, and
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Speaker 2: that since twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 1: Would have started.
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Speaker 2: But there was darted last month from the National Center
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Speaker 2: for Vocational Education Research, try and saying that one with
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Speaker 2: a now full of marbles, But it said that trade
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Speaker 2: apprenticeships were down five point two percent in the year
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Speaker 2: to December, and non trade apprenticeships and traineeships things like
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Speaker 2: care work and administration were down seventeen point one percent.
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Speaker 1: So Holly, we've got all these.
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Speaker 2: People allegedly going in and doing these tape courses, but
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Speaker 2: somehow apprenticeships, apprenticeships and trainee ships are down. Something doesn't
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Speaker 2: make sense here.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think those figures need to be unpacked a
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Speaker 5: lot more.
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Speaker 6: And the first thing we need to understand is what
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Speaker 6: are the completion rates? Because enrollment is one thing, but
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Speaker 6: how many people then just don't turn up to the
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Speaker 6: courses or don't complete the courses. I have no problem if,
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Speaker 6: for example, someone who is a plumber or is it
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Speaker 6: chippy is a builder and going back to take to
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Speaker 6: upskill or increase their skills, that's great, you know, So
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Speaker 6: that's not going to make a difference to the number
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Speaker 6: of apprenticeships. But they keep talking about the number of enrollments.
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Speaker 6: I think the number of completions is actually where the
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Speaker 6: rubber is.
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Speaker 8: Going to hit the road.
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Speaker 6: But of course I bet we don't see those figures
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Speaker 6: anytime soon.
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Speaker 2: Well indeed, and I think we've got this major problem genert.
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Speaker 2: Apprenticeships are basically not looked upon anymore in this country
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Speaker 2: as a desirable thing for a kid to do after school.
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Speaker 2: What the federal government has basically said they want every
17:06
Speaker 2: kid as much as possible to go off to university. Well,
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Speaker 2: I mean in the modern world, I don't think, particularly
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Speaker 2: now that we're going to have things like AI and
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Speaker 2: whatever coming in and taking over a lot of these
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Speaker 2: you know, thinking jobs to be the practical stuff that
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Speaker 2: becomes more important as with.
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Speaker 7: A lot of things, Caleb, do not listen to those
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Speaker 7: professional pen pushes in parliament.
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Speaker 5: Go out and learn a trade.
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Speaker 7: I am actually ruining the day that I decided to
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Speaker 7: take the university route instead of the trade route, because
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Speaker 7: if you have seen the amazing opportunities that are available
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Speaker 7: to young people to learn a trade, whether it be
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Speaker 7: a technical trade or something in the care environment of
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Speaker 7: the educational space, like the world is literally your oyster.
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Speaker 7: So if I had my time again trade all the way, well.
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Speaker 1: You'll be glad to know.
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Speaker 2: Gener I consider journalism a trade, to be perfectly honest.
17:53
Speaker 2: I rue the day they try to sort of send
17:56
Speaker 2: it off into academia. Now a couple of things, just
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Speaker 2: on a lighter note, this is it's just stupid. Apparently
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Speaker 2: Australian influencers are now flying overseas for rib recontouring. This
18:06
Speaker 2: process involves making small incisions to create fractures in the
18:10
Speaker 2: lower ribs with a special electronic device to make your
18:13
Speaker 2: waist look smaller or something. I mean, wholly serious, what
18:18
Speaker 2: is going on? We've got people going over to Bali
18:21
Speaker 2: or somewhere to have this stuff.
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Speaker 6: Just what Darwin was not wrong, and the fact that
18:27
Speaker 6: we keep stepping in his way is why we end
18:31
Speaker 6: up in these sort of areas. But honestly, they go
18:33
Speaker 6: over there have this surgery, something goes wrong when they
18:36
Speaker 6: come home, they get an infection or it's not quite pandau.
18:39
Speaker 6: Guess who's picking up the tab, you know, the taxpayer
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Speaker 6: because they go in, you know, through the emergency room
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Speaker 6: at the hospital. It's absolutely disgraceful, and I'm sorry to
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Speaker 6: the young girls out there who think this is a
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Speaker 6: good idea. Honestly, the world is a much bigger and
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Speaker 6: brighter place than the size of your waist in direct
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Speaker 6: relation too, Like, honestly, just go and learn a trade.
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Speaker 9: And I can enjoy you.
19:05
Speaker 6: We'll be happier than it's sucking at everything in your
19:08
Speaker 6: Instagram and having taken out.
19:10
Speaker 2: Who would have thought that breaking your ribs wouldn't be
19:12
Speaker 2: a great idea?
19:13
Speaker 1: And just quickly Jenna.
19:14
Speaker 2: Of course, we should note some sad news today that
19:18
Speaker 2: the actor Sam Neil died today aged seventy eight. Of
19:22
Speaker 2: course A Jurassic Park and The Dish and all these
19:25
Speaker 2: classic films, so he leaves behind a great legacy in
19:28
Speaker 2: Australian film.
19:29
Speaker 7: Jenna, he does, he does calib and not only that,
19:32
Speaker 7: I think he was such an incredible advocate for agriculture
19:36
Speaker 7: and sustainability in his home of New Zealand as well.
19:39
Speaker 7: And look, if you want to do something after you
19:41
Speaker 7: watch Sky News tonight, the twelve on Foxtel and Binge
19:45
Speaker 7: highly recommended indeed.
19:48
Speaker 2: And he loved his wine too, Winery two Paddocks. I
19:52
Speaker 2: think it's called over in New Zealand. Holley and Jenna,
19:55
Speaker 2: thank you.
19:55
Speaker 1: Both for joining me tonight.
19:58
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I've got to go through whole of stuff
20:00
Speaker 2: here on my Auto Q for whatever reason. Now I'll
20:03
Speaker 2: go back to the business of the coalition pushing for
20:06
Speaker 2: the federal government not to regulate artificial intelligence too heavily.
20:10
Speaker 2: As I said earlier, the Opposition Defense spokesman Senator James
20:14
Speaker 2: Patterson has said that foreign countries are trying to interfere
20:17
Speaker 2: to slow down AI development in the West and that
20:20
Speaker 2: quote winning the AI race is a national security imperative,
20:23
Speaker 2: but I think we need to be a little more
20:26
Speaker 2: careful than just jumping into AI without proper regulation just
20:31
Speaker 2: because other countries are doing it. Joining me now is
20:33
Speaker 2: Shadow Minister for the Scrutiny of Government Waste and Accountability,
20:37
Speaker 2: Tony Passon.
20:37
Speaker 1: Tony, thank you for joining me this evening. I mean,
20:40
Speaker 1: what do you.
20:41
Speaker 2: Make of it, ignition, I think we need regulation on AI,
20:45
Speaker 2: and simply making the argument that, well, you know, foreign
20:48
Speaker 2: actors would rather we didn't so they can build it
20:51
Speaker 2: instead is not a legitimate reason to say, hang on
20:55
Speaker 2: a minute, this stuff could be dangerous.
20:58
Speaker 10: Like all things, balance is important, and I note that
21:01
Speaker 10: Angus Taylor made that point a couple of days ago,
21:06
Speaker 10: and so I understand where James is coming from, because
21:09
Speaker 10: from a national security point of view, we need to
21:12
Speaker 10: make sure we're marking time with comparable nations around the world,
21:18
Speaker 10: particularly those that might want to do us harm in
21:22
Speaker 10: a very tough geopolitical space. But we need to make
21:26
Speaker 10: sure we get the guardrails right and we do this
21:28
Speaker 10: in a balanced, orderly and careful way. I was listening
21:32
Speaker 10: to your editorial earlier, and I do think that we
21:36
Speaker 10: need to do some deep thinking about what this might
21:39
Speaker 10: mean in the very long term for the human race.
21:42
Speaker 2: Well indeed, and this is the thing that we are in,
21:45
Speaker 2: this AI race, if you want to call it that,
21:48
Speaker 2: which I think is unfortunate because it deserves a lot
21:50
Speaker 2: more attention and care than just being a race. We've
21:54
Speaker 2: got these data centers popping up left, right and center.
21:57
Speaker 2: They suck a great deal of energy, They suck a
21:59
Speaker 2: great deal of war water as well.
22:01
Speaker 1: They put out a lot of heat. On and on
22:03
Speaker 1: it goes.
22:04
Speaker 2: People don't want these things built next to their houses.
22:07
Speaker 2: They worry about the concerns that AI has for jobs
22:11
Speaker 2: for them and their children.
22:12
Speaker 1: And you know what if the robots rise up.
22:14
Speaker 2: I know, as I said earlier, it sounds ridiculous, but
22:17
Speaker 2: none of this is impossible, and so we need real
22:22
Speaker 2: safeguards around this stuff. The government will, the Prime Ministers
22:24
Speaker 2: maybe a speech on Wednesday about it, but we need
22:27
Speaker 2: real safeguards about this stuff, and I hope that the
22:31
Speaker 2: Coalition would be on board with that.
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Speaker 10: I think we'll need to be. And like I said,
22:36
Speaker 10: balance is important. I've got communities right now that are
22:39
Speaker 10: facing the prospect of AI centers in them, and I
22:41
Speaker 10: can tell you, Caleb that the anxiety is real my
22:45
Speaker 10: electorate office has been called daily by people concerned, particularly
22:49
Speaker 10: about where these locations are. I mean, the idea that
22:53
Speaker 10: we would opportunistically place them there, or at least developers
22:56
Speaker 10: would opportunistically place them along the pipeline or where electricity
23:03
Speaker 10: transmission cables are now is one thing. But I would
23:06
Speaker 10: have thought a better approach, a much smarter approach, is
23:09
Speaker 10: for the nation to have a say in relation to
23:12
Speaker 10: where we should put these facilities that will serve the
23:17
Speaker 10: national interests going forward, not the developers' interests in the
23:20
Speaker 10: short term, which might end up being a very kind
23:23
Speaker 10: of mean and nasty approach to or cheap and nasty
23:26
Speaker 10: approach to where they should be in terms of geography now,
23:32
Speaker 10: in terms of what they can do. I reiterate what
23:34
Speaker 10: you said earlier in your opening. I mean, we need
23:37
Speaker 10: some deep and solid thinking about where this might take us.
23:41
Speaker 10: And I've got to tell you I'm known as the
23:43
Speaker 10: coalition Luodeite. I'm still looking for the any key. I'm
23:47
Speaker 10: still looking for the any key on my computer. The
23:50
Speaker 10: fact that I can make this link to you without
23:52
Speaker 10: staff in my office this evening is a credit to
23:56
Speaker 10: how easy it's become. But even I've been watching the
23:59
Speaker 10: ex financial speed at which AI is entering my workplace
24:04
Speaker 10: and my office on our farm. It just seems to
24:08
Speaker 10: be gathering pace. And I can't agree with you more
24:12
Speaker 10: that I feel like decision makers, policy makers are behind
24:16
Speaker 10: the eight ball right now, and we've got to catch up,
24:18
Speaker 10: and we've got to get these guardrails in place, and
24:20
Speaker 10: we've got to get the balance right. I think we'll
24:23
Speaker 10: only get one chance to do this.
24:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, we.
24:26
Speaker 2: Do only have one chance, and it is quickly diminishing.
24:28
Speaker 2: I worry what it does for human intelligence too, letting
24:31
Speaker 2: the computers do all.
24:32
Speaker 1: The thinking something else.
24:33
Speaker 2: Today the government is apparently hoping that this last isis
24:37
Speaker 2: Brad who's still in Syria, will not come back to Australia.
24:40
Speaker 2: Houdan Abby is her name, because the exclusion order was
24:45
Speaker 2: lifted last month. But she's apparently, we're told by the government,
24:49
Speaker 2: not thinking about coming back, probably because of the threat
24:51
Speaker 2: of being arrested when she gets here. And this was
24:54
Speaker 2: the Home Afairs Minister Tony Burke today.
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Speaker 11: We've gone right to the edges of what were legally
25:00
Speaker 11: able to do. And even with that, there's only been
25:04
Speaker 11: one occasion where I've been able to have a brief
25:07
Speaker 11: presented to me with the capacity to put in a
25:09
Speaker 11: temporary exclusion order. As soon as that brief came to me,
25:12
Speaker 11: I took the opportunity to do it. If she doesn't
25:15
Speaker 11: return to Australia, I don't think Australians would be troubled
25:18
Speaker 11: by that.
25:20
Speaker 2: Now, well, great that she mightn't come back, but the
25:22
Speaker 2: reality is the option shouldn't be there in the first place.
25:26
Speaker 10: Correct. And you know the bit of this debate that's
25:29
Speaker 10: gone missing is and I use this barb from time
25:33
Speaker 10: to time at question time mean these Isis brides must
25:36
Speaker 10: have printed their own passports, did they? I mean these
25:39
Speaker 10: ices brides didn't have passports. And I appreciate what Tony
25:42
Speaker 10: Burke is saying in terms of Australian citizens and returning
25:45
Speaker 10: to the country, leaving aside the fact there should be
25:48
Speaker 10: exclusion orders, notwithstanding people can only return to this country
25:53
Speaker 10: on valid Australian passports. If I was in Tony Burk's position,
25:57
Speaker 10: I would have said to these individuals, welcome to return
26:00
Speaker 10: to Australia, but you'll need a passport and we don't
26:03
Speaker 10: intend to give you one, so good luck.
26:05
Speaker 2: Indeed, Tony, I've only got a minute, but I just
26:07
Speaker 2: want to ask you quickly what you made of Angus
26:10
Speaker 2: Taylor's comments about One Nation last week that he then
26:13
Speaker 2: doubled down on the ABC and here on Sky News.
26:16
Speaker 2: Is this the right way to go to attack One Nation?
26:20
Speaker 10: Well, I think the reality is the Coalition needs to
26:22
Speaker 10: be it's best version of itself. We need to point
26:25
Speaker 10: out the deficiencies in all our political opponents. I don't
26:29
Speaker 10: think there's any merit in attacking individuals like Paul Enhanson,
26:34
Speaker 10: but I think we should point out the strength strength
26:37
Speaker 10: we have, and one of those strengths is the ability
26:39
Speaker 10: to manage an economy and the fact that we have
26:41
Speaker 10: an experienced team, many of whom have been in government before.
26:45
Speaker 10: So I think it's important that, particularly around issues relevant
26:51
Speaker 10: to the economy, that we point out our strengths and we, obviously,
26:55
Speaker 10: in doing so, will highlight some of our opponent's weaknesses.
26:58
Speaker 2: Tony, I'm glad you could work out the connection on
27:00
Speaker 2: your own. Thanks for joining me tonight from the Great
27:02
Speaker 2: State of South Australia. After the break new polling from Victoria,
27:06
Speaker 2: more bad news for Jacinta Allen and the latest from
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Speaker 2: the Royal Commission into antisemitism. This week they're looking into
27:12
Speaker 2: universities and what's happening on campus. Don't go away, poor
27:18
Speaker 2: older Cina Allen, the Victorian Premiere. Another polls dropped on
27:22
Speaker 2: The Australian's website this evening, showing that Victorian labor is
27:25
Speaker 2: in a fair bit of trouble. The Australian's website this evening,
27:28
Speaker 2: showing that Victorian labor course in this trouble.
27:30
Speaker 1: Anthony Galloway writes.
27:31
Speaker 2: A poll of six five hundred Victorians conducted over the
27:35
Speaker 2: past fortnight found one Nation leading both major parties on
27:39
Speaker 2: a statewide primary vote of twenty seven percent. Labor and
27:42
Speaker 2: the Coalition were Tired on twenty six percent, with the
27:45
Speaker 2: Greens on twelve percent and other parties on eight percent.
27:48
Speaker 2: Senior Labour figures said. The survey, conducted by Red Bridge
27:51
Speaker 2: and commission by the Victorian Trades Hall Council, broadly mirrored
27:55
Speaker 2: other polling, but had a much larger sample size, which
27:58
Speaker 2: would reinforce into concerns that the government is heading towards defeat.
28:04
Speaker 2: What a shame for them, and of course their biggest
28:07
Speaker 2: hope would be to dump just Cinderaut to get away
28:09
Speaker 2: from the Alan Andrews Era. But really they've left it
28:12
Speaker 2: too late to do that, and she still has big
28:15
Speaker 2: backers in the labor movement. The Herald Sun reported today
28:18
Speaker 2: that the Electrical Trades Union is standing by ms Allen
28:21
Speaker 2: and is planning to spend big on campaigning. They've apparently
28:25
Speaker 2: already commissioned poles and research in various electorates, including the
28:29
Speaker 2: premiers Bendi Go East, which both Labor and National Party
28:32
Speaker 2: internal polling is said to show she's.
28:35
Speaker 1: On track to lose to the NATS.
28:37
Speaker 2: Now he might ask why the EU is backing her
28:41
Speaker 2: in when it seems pretty clear that she's toxic to
28:44
Speaker 2: the labor brand in Victoria. Well, ms Allen has firmly
28:47
Speaker 2: stood against a Royal commission into alleged corruption among unions
28:51
Speaker 2: and labor higher companies on the big build, as she
28:54
Speaker 2: remains oblivious to the billions it's cost taxpayers.
28:58
Speaker 12: If Jeffrey Watson has the wrong number, what is the
29:01
Speaker 12: right number?
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Speaker 10: Well, Jeffrey Watson has since said that that figure he
29:08
Speaker 10: claimed has that he has been misquoted, so that figure
29:12
Speaker 10: remains in dispute.
29:14
Speaker 1: Personally.
29:15
Speaker 2: I hope they leave her in charge because it's best,
29:18
Speaker 2: it's the best chance I should say getting rid of
29:20
Speaker 2: that government.
29:24
Speaker 3: Right.
29:24
Speaker 2: Let's have a look at what happened at the Royal
29:26
Speaker 2: Commission into Anti Semitism and Social Cohesion today, which has
29:30
Speaker 2: entered its fourth hearing block this week in Melbourne. Universities
29:33
Speaker 2: are going to have to front up and explain why
29:36
Speaker 2: so many of the Jewish students and staff members have
29:39
Speaker 2: felt unsafe on campus since October seven. Now this is
29:42
Speaker 2: just a snippet of one activist who showed up today
29:45
Speaker 2: to justify violence.
29:47
Speaker 12: I mean to put into context what the intervadas were.
29:51
Speaker 12: They were active mass resistance by Palestinians to their oppression.
29:56
Speaker 13: The second into Fada involved as series of suicide bombings
30:03
Speaker 13: within Israel. Can you see against that background how upsetting
30:11
Speaker 13: it is for members of the Jewish community.
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Speaker 12: I don't hold movements for the justice of the oppressed
30:20
Speaker 12: to a standard that says there can never be any violence.
30:23
Speaker 12: I mean to talk about the end of apartheid in
30:25
Speaker 12: South Africa. There was, of course, you know, violent resistance
30:30
Speaker 12: as well as mass civil disobedience, nonviolent resistance.
30:36
Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss his executive manager at Australia
30:39
Speaker 2: and Israel Jewish Affairs Council, Joel Bernie Joel, thank you
30:42
Speaker 2: for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 1: She's not the only one who thinks that way.
30:47
Speaker 2: Obviously, we've seen a fair bit of it on university
30:49
Speaker 2: campuses over the last few years. They will have to
30:53
Speaker 2: effectively justify this week why some of this has been
30:57
Speaker 2: allowed to go on to your knowledge, what are things
31:01
Speaker 2: like at the moment? Is this an issue that is
31:03
Speaker 2: persisting on university campus's anti semitism that makes people feel
31:08
Speaker 2: unsafe to go to university or to work at a university.
31:12
Speaker 5: Well, thanks Caleb for having me on. And I think
31:14
Speaker 5: that there's an overarching consistency on the testimony here from
31:18
Speaker 5: university students that over the past two and a half
31:21
Speaker 5: years the students have been discriminated against, yield at or
31:25
Speaker 5: you know, marginalized or discriminated against for just being Jewish.
31:30
Speaker 5: It's not just the students that are in the firing line,
31:33
Speaker 5: Jewish academics as well. And then the consistency extends to
31:37
Speaker 5: the university institutions that either fail to do anything about
31:41
Speaker 5: it or are very slow to do anything about it.
31:44
Speaker 5: So what we can surmise and conclude is is that yes,
31:47
Speaker 5: still now to this day, Jewish students are fearful of
31:50
Speaker 5: attending campuses. There's still a lot of arguments debate as
31:54
Speaker 5: to how universities are going to be best equipped to
31:56
Speaker 5: deal with it. And during these discussions as to whether
31:59
Speaker 5: or not to adopt definitions or edit definitions or not
32:03
Speaker 5: or reject definitions, Jewish students are still left in peril
32:08
Speaker 5: whilst not knowing whether or not it's safe for them
32:10
Speaker 5: to identify as due on campus, whether or not they
32:13
Speaker 5: should open their mouths in lectures, or whether or not
32:15
Speaker 5: they have to be hounded before whilst they're moving from
32:18
Speaker 5: class to class. So it's a terrible situation for Jewish
32:22
Speaker 5: students and Jewish faculty members. A light will be shine
32:25
Speaker 5: on the universities during this hearing block of the Royal Commission,
32:29
Speaker 5: and I hope that they get the grilling that they deserve.
32:33
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned this business about definitions, Joel, and the
32:36
Speaker 2: Julian Lisa, who's the shadow Education spokesman. He's called on
32:40
Speaker 2: the government to crack down on universities for not using
32:44
Speaker 2: the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of anti Semitism.
32:49
Speaker 1: This is what he said today.
32:51
Speaker 8: Universities have had years to address this issue and have failed.
32:54
Speaker 8: Let's address it first, because it's where the next generation
32:57
Speaker 8: of leaders go to be formed, and if they see
33:00
Speaker 8: this sort of conduct is acceptable and condoned by university authorities,
33:05
Speaker 8: then we're setting our country up for failure in the future.
33:09
Speaker 2: I mean to me Joel, this argument over whether you
33:11
Speaker 2: adopt this definition of that definition is all a bit
33:15
Speaker 2: academic and sorry to use that pun in this circumstance.
33:20
Speaker 2: It shouldn't be hard to identify what anti Semitism is,
33:25
Speaker 2: and if people feel unsafe on campus, you have a
33:27
Speaker 2: problem whether you've got this.
33:28
Speaker 1: Definition or that definition. I don't think that's the issue
33:32
Speaker 1: at hand.
33:33
Speaker 2: It's that universities have just been unwilling to confront what
33:36
Speaker 2: is right in front of them.
33:38
Speaker 5: Well, there's a few things to unpack that, Caleb.
33:40
Speaker 10: Now.
33:40
Speaker 5: Of course, yes, in any environment universities included, it should
33:45
Speaker 5: be clear black and white discrimination against any people. But
33:48
Speaker 5: no less, the very visible and very clear explosion of
33:52
Speaker 5: anti Semitism that has occurred is rather black and white
33:55
Speaker 5: in many respects. So I think calling it out doesn't
33:58
Speaker 5: usually require a definition, But for institutions such as universities,
34:02
Speaker 5: which has been a hotbed for anti Israel rhetoric and
34:05
Speaker 5: anti Israel bias for decades, let alone you know simmering
34:09
Speaker 5: anti Semitic and anti Jewish tendencies over decades as well.
34:14
Speaker 5: Sometimes these institutions need a little bit of help. Now.
34:18
Speaker 5: I think the illustration of flipping and flopping as to
34:21
Speaker 5: which definition they're going to take is a smoke screen
34:24
Speaker 5: by the universities to buy themselves time to actually not
34:27
Speaker 5: do anything. In the first place. The idea that a
34:30
Speaker 5: university is going to take a globally recognized and very
34:34
Speaker 5: sensible definition of anti semitism and then decide that they
34:37
Speaker 5: are the smarter ones that they will modify it to
34:40
Speaker 5: their desires, I think is illustrative of the point. So yes,
34:44
Speaker 5: I agree with you that bad behaviors should be called
34:46
Speaker 5: out where you see it. However, unfortunately, and unfortunately in
34:50
Speaker 5: this country as well, there are major institutions like universities
34:55
Speaker 5: that appear to need further assistance to be able to
34:58
Speaker 5: clearly identify what is a Semitic to then ultimately identify
35:02
Speaker 5: to do something about it.
35:05
Speaker 2: The fact that they need their hands held is ridiculous
35:08
Speaker 2: in the first place. Joel Bernie, thank you for joining
35:10
Speaker 2: me tonight. Now some good news after the break cricket
35:13
Speaker 2: is returning to Australia day, but an obvious national symbol
35:17
Speaker 2: will be absent.
35:18
Speaker 1: More on that in a moment.
35:21
Speaker 8: Now.
35:22
Speaker 2: Last night Brendan McCullum was sacked as the English Test
35:26
Speaker 2: cricket coach. Now he'll still coach the One day and
35:28
Speaker 2: T twenty teams, but Test cricket no more, which, for
35:32
Speaker 2: those of you who like your cricket means the end
35:34
Speaker 2: of basball And for those of you who don't follow cricket,
35:37
Speaker 2: that was an aggressive batting style that England had been
35:40
Speaker 2: playing in Test cricket, more like the limited overs version
35:43
Speaker 2: of the game. And funny enough, the story was broken
35:45
Speaker 2: by Australian journalist Tom Morris, so well done to him.
35:49
Speaker 1: Whatever.
35:49
Speaker 2: At the BBC, they didn't really want to talk about
35:51
Speaker 2: the biggest story in world cricket.
35:54
Speaker 1: In fact, former English women's.
35:55
Speaker 2: Cricketer Alex Hartley on Test Match Special commentating again suggested
36:01
Speaker 2: it was sixst because there was a women's Test match
36:04
Speaker 2: going on. As I say, she was commentating for this
36:06
Speaker 2: game at the same time, and instead of talking about,
36:10
Speaker 2: you know what everyone wanted to talk about, which was McCallum. Second,
36:14
Speaker 2: we should have been talking about the test match instead just.
36:17
Speaker 3: Doesn't make sense.
36:18
Speaker 10: Wait till Tuesday, twenty four hours, thirty six hours.
36:21
Speaker 7: This game is done, isn't it.
36:22
Speaker 3: I know, like this game is done in the fact
36:25
Speaker 3: that England aren't going to win this test match, but
36:26
Speaker 3: there's a test match to save. It's historic, it's a
36:29
Speaker 3: historic moment within itself. There's an ODI series starting Tuesday.
36:33
Speaker 3: I completely understand that they want to get the news
36:35
Speaker 3: out before then, but I'm sorry, something more important for
36:39
Speaker 3: me and women's cricket. And if you say that you
36:41
Speaker 3: respect the game and you want the game to improve,
36:43
Speaker 3: they don't just play it lip service, actually prove it
36:45
Speaker 3: and actually say we will hang on to this news
36:49
Speaker 3: until Tuesday morning or you know, seven o'clock on Monday night.
36:53
Speaker 2: Yes, decisions about the men's team should be delayed because
36:57
Speaker 2: the women are currently playing.
36:59
Speaker 1: I mean, without meaning to.
37:00
Speaker 2: She's admitted the fact that the men's coach being sacked
37:03
Speaker 2: is more interesting than the women's game.
37:06
Speaker 1: It's just the truth. The English women.
37:09
Speaker 2: Were six fo one hundred and thirty and chasing another
37:11
Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty seven.
37:12
Speaker 1: Runs at stumps last night. Anyway. I think they started
37:16
Speaker 1: playing in it forty.
37:17
Speaker 2: Five minutes ago, so they basically have no chance of winning,
37:20
Speaker 2: and even their own players were so disinterested in the
37:24
Speaker 2: match that one of them, is Iwong, managed to solve
37:28
Speaker 2: a Rubik's Cube while watching on But sorry, everyone else
37:32
Speaker 2: should stop what they're doing so we can focus on
37:35
Speaker 2: the women's game that no one's watching anyway. Trying to
37:38
Speaker 2: suggest that it's sexist or letting the women's game down
37:41
Speaker 2: is just a load of rubbish. It's not all about you.
37:45
Speaker 2: Not everything is sexist, you know. Now, sticking to the
37:50
Speaker 2: subject of cricket, Cricket Australia has announced that cricket will
37:54
Speaker 2: finally return to Australia Day now. Once upon a time,
37:57
Speaker 2: the Adelaide Test was always held over Australia Day. They
38:00
Speaker 2: change the Test schedule and replaced it with a one
38:02
Speaker 2: day match in Adelaide on Australia Day. Then they replaced
38:05
Speaker 2: that with a T twenty and I went to many
38:07
Speaker 2: of them as a kid. But the past few years
38:10
Speaker 2: there's been no cricket on Australia Day at all, and
38:12
Speaker 2: how an Australian can you get? But the Big Bash
38:16
Speaker 2: T twenty final will be held on January twenty six
38:19
Speaker 2: next year, which is great, but the Big Bash, boss
38:22
Speaker 2: Alistair Dobson says.
38:23
Speaker 1: They probably won't play the national.
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Speaker 2: Anthem unless the host venue specifically asks for it, and
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Speaker 2: he said, we understand that day means different things to
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Speaker 2: different people. We fully recognize that and we will work
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Speaker 2: with the home club and an advisory group, the National
38:39
Speaker 2: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island a cricket advisory Committee around
38:43
Speaker 2: First Nation's issues.
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Speaker 1: We have to ensure we build an.
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Speaker 2: Appropriate recognition for everyone on the day. Joining me now
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Speaker 2: is Indigenous leader Warren Mundine Warren, Are you outraged about
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Speaker 2: the return of cricket to Australia Day.
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Speaker 4: Oh?
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Speaker 14: Look, I think it's great. The cricket's going back to
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Speaker 14: Australia Day. You know, it's a great day to celebrate.
39:03
Speaker 14: And even they said it commercially from it's very important.
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Speaker 14: It'll be worth a lot of money with it. What
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Speaker 14: I find quite funny is here we are having this
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Speaker 14: argument about you know, Australia Day and Captain Cook again
39:16
Speaker 14: and all this stuff, and we're talking about a game cricket,
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Speaker 14: which was invented by a bunch of pomps who colonized
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Speaker 14: this country. And I just find that I just find
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Speaker 14: that hilarious. The whole thing's ali. Look, let's let's start
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Speaker 14: getting back to what what Australia Day and all this.
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Speaker 14: I'm sick and tired of people go oh, we can't
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Speaker 14: play the national length and we can't do this, we
39:38
Speaker 14: can't wave the flag and all this type of stuff.
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Speaker 14: I want us to talk about Australia Day because it's
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Speaker 14: about us. It's about Australians, it's about average on the
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Speaker 14: tie straight on of people. It's about all the migrants
39:50
Speaker 14: and people that are born here and built an amazing,
39:54
Speaker 14: incredible country. Yes, we had problems in the past that
39:57
Speaker 14: but we're able to overcome those things. The sixties we
40:01
Speaker 14: got rid of all the race laws. We've got all
40:03
Speaker 14: the things. You know, look at that Aboriginal people. You know,
40:05
Speaker 14: they've got about fifty percent of the land mass of
40:08
Speaker 14: Australia is owned by them now, so they've got this
40:10
Speaker 14: great economic opportunities, they've got universities and all this type
40:14
Speaker 14: of stuff. We've got doing some great things. Let's bring
40:17
Speaker 14: the country back together rather than dividing it.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, and of course there's there's a great Indigenous story
40:23
Speaker 2: in cricket, which is that the first game England played
40:27
Speaker 2: in Australia. In fact, I think it might have been
40:29
Speaker 2: the first international Test match.
40:30
Speaker 1: It was.
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Speaker 2: It was between the English and an Aboriginal team. And
40:35
Speaker 2: so there's so much to celebrate an Indigenous involvement in cricket.
40:38
Speaker 2: And because we've got scott Boland these days and whatever,
40:41
Speaker 2: what about having a cricket match on Australia Day. But
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Speaker 2: we're not going to play the national anthem.
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Speaker 14: Seriously, this is this is what this is about division.
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Speaker 14: You know, Australia Day, our national symbols, principles about this
40:58
Speaker 14: nation is bringing everyone together. You know, you just had
41:01
Speaker 14: a segment earlier in regard to the anti Semitic stuff
41:04
Speaker 14: that's happening in this country and then the social cohesion
41:08
Speaker 14: Australian Cricket Australia, the Australian Cricket Board should be bringing
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Speaker 14: Australians together, not dividing us. And it's our national infant
41:17
Speaker 14: I voted for that when they had the plebiscite in
41:19
Speaker 14: that national effort, and like many of my Aboriginal brothers
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Speaker 14: and sisters.
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Speaker 1: And that voted for that as well.
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Speaker 14: You know, when you talk to Abriiginal people out in
41:28
Speaker 14: the bush and around the country, that about Australia Day
41:31
Speaker 14: and about and about the national infort and they're not
41:35
Speaker 14: concerned about that. They're like other Australians. They want to
41:39
Speaker 14: try and get a house, they want to try and
41:40
Speaker 14: get a job, want to get their kids educated, they
41:42
Speaker 14: want to get health systems going, all that type of stuff.
41:45
Speaker 14: And here we are winging and complaining about this stuff.
41:49
Speaker 14: You know, it's about time some people, you know, I
41:52
Speaker 14: say to cricket Australia, come on, fellers, Cricket is our
41:55
Speaker 14: number one national sport. Let's bring people together rather than
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Speaker 14: dividing us.
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Speaker 2: And I think the other thing that annoys me as
42:02
Speaker 2: well is that, like they obviously want the commercial element
42:05
Speaker 2: of having it on Australia Day, because of course people
42:07
Speaker 2: are going to turn up some public holidays national sport,
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Speaker 2: they'll make lots of money. But then at the same
42:12
Speaker 2: time they don't really want to buy into the Australia
42:15
Speaker 2: Day part of it.
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Speaker 14: Like it's really look, we just saw just recently in
42:20
Speaker 14: the World Cup the soccer rous we're over there and
42:24
Speaker 14: very multi ethnic, very multi reflected Australia Brittany. And when
42:29
Speaker 14: they had them talked to those players, they were proud
42:32
Speaker 14: Australians and they and they brought the country together. You know,
42:37
Speaker 14: everyone was getting up at four I am in the
42:39
Speaker 14: morning to watch them and see them play. This is
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Speaker 14: what I want cricket to do.
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Speaker 2: And it's one of the great things that sport can do.
42:46
Speaker 2: And it's yeah, look, I'm glad to see it back
42:49
Speaker 2: on Australia. Are they just think it's a shame the
42:52
Speaker 2: way that they're treating it.
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Speaker 1: I will tilly as well.
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Speaker 2: One of the most entertaining cricket matches I've ever been
42:57
Speaker 2: to because of the crowd was an Australian Day tea
43:01
Speaker 2: twenty in Adelaide Oval between Australia and India, because of
43:05
Speaker 2: course the twenty sixth of January is also India's Independence Day,
43:08
Speaker 2: and so it was like a fifty to fifty crowd
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Speaker 2: and everyone was going absolutely nuts and I just wish
43:14
Speaker 2: we could get back to that without bringing our nicks.
43:17
Speaker 14: And we saw that, as I saying that, in the
43:20
Speaker 14: World Cup just recently, people were getting up. The crowds
43:23
Speaker 14: are coming up the stadiums in America, all yellow and
43:26
Speaker 14: green and we're all they're proud, and they played the
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Speaker 14: national anthet and all those players were singing it and God,
43:34
Speaker 14: let's have some pride back in the country instead of
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Speaker 14: knocking it all the time.
43:38
Speaker 2: Here, Warren Mundane, great to see you as always. Thank
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Speaker 2: you for coming in after the break.
43:42
Speaker 1: The latest from Iran.
43:43
Speaker 2: New strikes on Iranian military target spared the US so
43:46
Speaker 2: much for their peace steel.
43:48
Speaker 1: Kosher Gada with me in a moment, well that peace
43:53
Speaker 1: steel so peaceful.
43:55
Speaker 2: Strikes in the Middle East have kicked off again between
43:57
Speaker 2: the US and Iran, which has prompted the trade of
44:00
Speaker 2: or moves.
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Speaker 1: To close yet again. What piece do you? I don't know.
44:04
Speaker 2: Let's find out, shall we. Sky News contributed Kosher Gata
44:07
Speaker 2: is with me as I say, it's all been terribly successful,
44:11
Speaker 2: hasn't it.
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Speaker 1: It was somewhat predictable.
44:14
Speaker 2: I suppose that we would end up in this position
44:18
Speaker 2: when you've got Iran that doesn't really want to keep
44:21
Speaker 2: to it. What was going to happen otherwise?
44:26
Speaker 9: I wish I had a magic answer, Caleb to tell you,
44:28
Speaker 9: But as you say, nobody's really surprised, though obviously it's
44:32
Speaker 9: disappointing when this keeps happening, and it feels like the
44:35
Speaker 9: little wins or little victories are paper victories.
44:37
Speaker 5: It's on paper.
44:38
Speaker 9: You have MOUs and seventeen point deals and nineteen point deals,
44:41
Speaker 9: and then you have some semblance of peace for a
44:44
Speaker 9: few weeks and then off we go again. It seems
44:47
Speaker 9: to be the escalatory trap seems to be contained because
44:50
Speaker 9: both sides are wary for different reasons of escalation, we
44:53
Speaker 9: would like to believe, and so it tends to be
44:55
Speaker 9: controlled shots targeting military sites, infrastructure, and not civilians so far.
45:00
Speaker 9: But that is always risky because if something like that happens,
45:03
Speaker 9: and in particular to one of the US basis over there,
45:06
Speaker 9: that will be seen as cause for the US to
45:09
Speaker 9: ratchet up what it does in terms of its straight back,
45:11
Speaker 9: and then the US is dragged back into this which,
45:14
Speaker 9: as you know, it has been broadly quite unpopular, and
45:18
Speaker 9: the administration is aware of that. Midterms around the corner,
45:21
Speaker 9: and so it's sort of as a ticking clock in
45:23
Speaker 9: that way that is not favorable domestically either for.
45:26
Speaker 1: The US well.
45:27
Speaker 2: And this is one of the big problems for Trump
45:29
Speaker 2: is that he can't really go hard now because of
45:32
Speaker 2: the proximity to the midterms, which means he's got to
45:35
Speaker 2: basically elongate the war until after the midterms.
45:38
Speaker 1: Which isn't terribly helpful to him either.
45:41
Speaker 2: And I think one of the most fascinating things about
45:43
Speaker 2: all of this is that, in general, the brilliance of
45:47
Speaker 2: Trump's foreign policy and diplomacy work until now has been
45:52
Speaker 2: his unpredictability. But countries and other foreign leaders are worried that,
45:58
Speaker 2: you know, maybe he is crazy enough to do something
46:02
Speaker 2: off peace, and Rand's basically called his bluff on that,
46:07
Speaker 2: and it's worked. So has the whole Trump unpredictability thing
46:13
Speaker 2: now ceased to be a useful technic.
46:17
Speaker 9: I think that's a very astute point. It is certainly
46:19
Speaker 9: one of his strengths, and it has worked with other adversaries,
46:22
Speaker 9: with Venezuela and Maduro also controversial. But that was a
46:27
Speaker 9: spectacular operation, as we all saw, and nobody really saw
46:30
Speaker 9: it coming. And some of the rhetoric he was doing
46:33
Speaker 9: with Rocketman, for example, comes to mind Kim Jong and
46:35
Speaker 9: in the first term, where people didn't really know what
46:38
Speaker 9: he would do, and maybe he got some headway with
46:41
Speaker 9: that very volatile relationship as well. But this one, yes,
46:45
Speaker 9: he does have sort of one hand tied behind his back.
46:48
Speaker 9: His base never wanted this. He campaigned against war, and
46:52
Speaker 9: so that does sort of limit or restrict what he
46:54
Speaker 9: can do, including that unpredictable aspect of him, of his nature.
46:59
Speaker 9: And you know, I think Iran is a bigger foe
47:02
Speaker 9: or bigger adversary than maybe not to say that they
47:05
Speaker 9: didn't consider it, because I'm sure they're considering all sorts
47:06
Speaker 9: of things, but maybe there was a calculation there that
47:09
Speaker 9: hasn't come to fruition in the way maybe that they
47:11
Speaker 9: thought in terms of the strait of Hermos and the
47:13
Speaker 9: flexing that they're able to do there, their willingness to
47:17
Speaker 9: stay till the end, till the bitter end, the fact
47:19
Speaker 9: that the government is very very deep, the bench is deep,
47:22
Speaker 9: and there are many people in the IRGC and otherwise
47:24
Speaker 9: that believe in this fight. So even if you take
47:27
Speaker 9: out the top of the snake, the head of the snake,
47:28
Speaker 9: there's much more to come. And all of that is
47:31
Speaker 9: certainly not going very well for Trump. He needs an exit,
47:35
Speaker 9: and just where we are right now, there doesn't seem
47:37
Speaker 9: to be a clean one. So this is going to
47:38
Speaker 9: continue to be an albatross around his neck.
47:40
Speaker 2: And of course the other use out of US politics overnight,
47:43
Speaker 2: the Victeran Republican Senator Lindsay.
47:45
Speaker 1: Graham has died.
47:48
Speaker 2: They're saying it was an iortic to section, which I
47:50
Speaker 2: think is basically the vein burst or something like that.
47:55
Speaker 2: A big loss to US politics and particularly to Trump.
47:58
Speaker 9: Yes, he was definitely a stalwarts of USE politics in
48:02
Speaker 9: the Senate for thirty years and in Congress for a
48:04
Speaker 9: little bit before that. Definitely a fixture in recent years.
48:08
Speaker 9: He was sort of a little bit controversial because of
48:11
Speaker 9: this very topic we discussed. It was much more pro war,
48:14
Speaker 9: pro US being involved in being a force globally, whereas
48:18
Speaker 9: the base, of course, has been cutting back from that.
48:20
Speaker 9: So that was something that was part of his legacy. Also,
48:22
Speaker 9: a big thing that was being remembered a lot today
48:25
Speaker 9: was the way he backed Brett Kavanaugh during the Supreme
48:28
Speaker 9: Court hearings and that whole farce. He really really was strong,
48:31
Speaker 9: and there's a very famous clip of him that resurface
48:34
Speaker 9: him and viral today. So that's just a great example
48:36
Speaker 9: of where he was at his best. And I think
48:39
Speaker 9: a lot of people, yes, will miss him. He was
48:41
Speaker 9: seventy one years old, and his seat will be now
48:46
Speaker 9: somebody will be appointed by the quick and governor.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, sorry, Kosher, we've run out of time.
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Speaker 2: Good to see you as always and thank you thanks
48:52
Speaker 2: for joining me tonight. My word is my bond, and
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Speaker 2: now over to the main cave, Paul Murray