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PHYS 500: NCAA Draft and Other Multiverse Realities · Boundary Corner Podcast

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Welcome back to The Foundry. Corner podcast Curtis Wilson
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here. My partner is always run Siegel.
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What's up fellas? How you doing, buddy?
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Oh man, I am doing good dude. Taking some time off at the end
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of this week so did not work today sipping on a little water.
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No, alcohol for me tonight. I don't know why.
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For some reason I don't work, I get it.
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Miserable headache and I can't have a little cocktail with my
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with our podcast today have actually usually we're rolling
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rolling drinks pretty good. He's so yeah this week I've been
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back in back in class started in summer session so I had to see
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and then I had tonight, I just wrapped up about 20 minutes ago
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so I'm finishing the night with what I call the Rich Man, Poor
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Man. So I've got the 12 ounce bomber
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of Richmond, logger, shout out. Hardy would Good.
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And then I've got the 16 oz, tallboy of hams.
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So going to roll with the bomber first and then I'll finish it
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off with the hams awesome. Dude.
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That sounds like some college stuff.
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Right there, right. Go get a nice six pack and then
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finish it off with like an a tear a beast to get.
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Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
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It's like I've got just enough money to spoil myself a little
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bit here. What am I going to do?
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Oh well, this nice little speck bottle of Guinness is on sale.
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And I can couple that with some 12-pack and Matty.
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Let's let that rod for tonight. Let's go, dude.
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Hey man, you've been doing stuff around your house.
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I was going to try to do some stuff this week here, but the
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rain has essentially killed all plans because I will try to seal
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the deck and it's just raining and raining little too saturated
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for that. When I took these days off a
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couple weeks ago, like my thought was I was this would be
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good. I could get the deck sealant,
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you know. Wife at home, we can work around
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her schedule. I can get it done but nope, that
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ain't happening this weekend. So I don't know when that's
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going to happen since last time we talked I've been doing
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actually a few places like a living human being Home Depot
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Trader. Joe's BJ's kind of feeling a
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little more normal, maybe that's a way to say it, you know,
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that's all you. Get some Hurley's you did.
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You guys like had friends or others?
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You guys go out somewhere the other night.
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Yeah, so we grabbed some grabs a Wings again.
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A couple other apps and things of that nature.
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So we grab that headed over to a park.
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Kicked it for a little bit. It was it was the first official
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day that Virginia was kind of opening back up.
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So we were in in Henrico and kind of threw down some wings on
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some buffalo cheese tots and they were pretty were pretty
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solid. And then tonight I had some
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fajitas from the patron and we got some Some Sarah, got some
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nachos and why it got is got his quesadilla.
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So it's been a been a good run here for us on.
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I'm scooping up some solid food even though we're still doing
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the curbside dance so far. How about you?
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We had neighbors came up on Saturday.
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We got her lease, they made some Daiquiris, had some beers in the
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cul-de-sac kids rode around on their, you know, on their Trikes
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and other little toys and Jack rode, his bike around.
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Um it is funny, you mentioned the quesadilla is like that.
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It's that that's the official kid food if they go to a, if you
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go to a Mexican establishment, right?
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Oh absolutely. Yeah, it's definitely the go-to
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like why it's weird. He gonna, he doesn't even mess
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around with like chicken or anything.
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His he just went straight cheese quesadilla and let it ride.
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Yeah. Same thing with both of the
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boys, although wife when we make them at home like we did here
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tonight she slips chicken steak beef, whatever we We have and
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occasionally, get the, what's in this, everything.
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Eat it. It's good for you.
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It's good for you. Get some volunteer.
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All right. Well you guys today on the
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episode, we're going to dive into something that has been
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long going between me and Brian and NCA, a-- draft.
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But before we tackle that and literally, I mean tackle that
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this was similar to the rushmore's thing.
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We were It was an undertaking done, it was an undertaking, but
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we got some hokey headlines here.
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First, the good news, Jalen Jones, the 61 185 wideout out of
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Thomas Jefferson here in the RV. A committed last Friday.
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You know, it's a little bit more special when those folks from
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the 804 commit to Virginia Tech, it just hits a little bit
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different. I was, I was big-time excited
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when when I saw that coming out Oh yeah because I think I think
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he's gonna do some special things for us.
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I think he's got kind of under the radar Talent right now.
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Reminds me a lot of Cam so I think we're going to see some
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good things from him in the future.
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I don't think he's necessarily a day one contributor but I think
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long term he's gonna pay some dividends for oh absolutely and
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that Thomas Jefferson program and give head coach, PJ Adams
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all the credit in the world? Probably, when we first moved
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here, you the same about the same time frame.
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They were bad and Cal. Yeah.
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Now they are respectable program, something he mentioned,
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I can't remember. It was with Mark, Davis, Orlan,
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gas, and Dante, but they interviewed him and he talked
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about sticking it out and Thomas Jefferson because Adams was not
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there. When he showed up, they were not
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a good program kind of kind of tells you that It's kind of made
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out of something different when you hear that.
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So, that makes me extra excited. And then you see, here's a cam
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comparisons. You see the the body types?
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You see some of the caches? I mean, did he led basically the
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central region? You know, the greater part of
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the r-va in receptions and yards so, you know, I really think
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that's no small feat man mean, you're planning it solid teams
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here in this region. So I think I'm kind of with you.
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If he's a day one contributor. But I think a couple of years
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and I think he definitely could become definitely a definitely a
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player with what we're running right now.
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I agree with that. Like you, like you said, with
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the sticking it out, it would TJ, I mean, so many of the city
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kids and have a lot of talent end up, you know, fudging their
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zip code. So the end of playing for
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Hermitage or Holland Springs or for Rhino instead of one of the
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city's schools, so seeing a kid like him, If your stick it out,
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do the right thing and you go out there and shine, then we
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that that says a lot about his character and says a lot about
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his willingness to not take the easy way there as we were
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absolutely. Well, Ron, let's just talk about
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the elephant in the room ten days ago when me and you talked
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to meet your status head decommitted, just the way it
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seemed he needed to check out some other options.
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You know, said he would plan on making a fish.
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Visits and then lo and behold last weekend minutes after the
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Jalen Jones announcement mind you.
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There was an announcement that he was committing on Sunday at
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11:00 and when everything came down, Curtis where do you end up
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Auburn? Let's talk about what happened
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the day before that, though there was a Instagram post with
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a top-three released, guess who was not in that top three.
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We all burn guess who was not in the previous top six, he
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released right after he decommitted Auburn.
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So we got a little bait-and-switch situation going
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on here. We're pretty much everyone knew
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where he was going. It seemed like between the
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crystal balls on 24/7 and all of the board speculation.
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Yeah. And then he tried to pull what
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seemed like A little bit of an okeydoke late to try to guess
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maybe I've just skate the situation so it seemed like it
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came out of the blue, it didn't know because we owe you said it
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last as time something changed in the last month.
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Leading up to this and then all of a sudden get radio silence
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and you get a deep commitment and now you get that surprise
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commitment to a school. He didn't even list in any of
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these top schools that he was focusing on.
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So that says to me that something was going on and for
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whatever reason they didn't want eyes on the Auburn program until
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everything came down, whether it was to bring an element of
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surprise. Rise or whether it was to hurt
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us or hurt another, another team, it's hard to tell what the
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actual motivation for it was here.
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That part was ridiculous. But redeemable now what wasn't
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redeemable with some of the comments that were made after
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the commitment and I'll let Curtis take those and expand
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upon them here because I know he was in his in his pocket, there
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about them. It got me.
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Know when he said the stuff about, I want to play SEC
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football. I want to be part of one of the
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bigger program. Cool, we as Virginia Tech fans.
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Me you the majority of people, we know say, yep.
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Auburn, last 10 years has been a much better football program.
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We will Advocate otherwise, but we understand where you're
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coming. From understand where you're
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coming from. That's cool.
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But then it was, it was, it was, it was really two things.
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And one was the well Tech wanted me to come in right away and
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play what? Wait a second, dude.
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We have three highly rated guys already here.
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Well, hold on. So that doesn't seem to Bear
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out, you know, Common Sense like most of us have and then you
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know, and then he thought that I'd rather sit behind phone eggs
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and it's just like wait a second there's bonuses.
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And essentially in the same room At the guys that we have.
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So let's let's, let's not go that direction but the one that
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probably set people off the most was the academic thing and it
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doesn't take a rocket scientist to do three minutes worth of
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research on Google. Also in know, in general, that
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Virginia Tech is a superior academic institution to Auburn
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Auburn 10 core. Text somewhere like Stark.
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So, you know, that that really set people off and some people
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are trying to say, oh, they just miss quoted of you is talking
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about the academics and rewarding.
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It's like I text him spiegelman's article a couple
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times and he has not retracted it.
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He is not updated it. So either he completely he wrote
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it in completely misleading terms or Demetrius set.
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Some things that really is. Not true and he has not done his
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research on Auburn as an institution either, he can be
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completely. Use the wrong words to convey
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his meaning, or he doesn't understand what he's talking
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about. And, you know, even if there may
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be a program or two specific to Auburn that might, you know, be
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relative or better than Tech. What if you're talking about the
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academic institution as a whole and specifically the target
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programs that he had mentioned in the past, there's no
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competition. Yeah.
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So that raises some eyebrows. It seem like an unnecessary
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troll on the way out of the good fortunes of the Hokey fandom
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there. So it was, it was complete.
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It was unnecessary. In my opinion, it didn't need to
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be said nothing, most everyone understood.
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I'll bring it. Has a better football program,
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in terms of what it can do right for him.
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Yep, I think we understand that that It's not saying he couldn't
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have had a good or better career at Virginia Tech that he
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couldn't offered. But in terms of walking, in day
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one, they offer things that we can offer right now on a scent.
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And I don't think anybody would have had an issue.
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If that's all he said and it has been like good luck to you.
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Have a good career? Yeah.
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So yeah. But let's not get too deep into
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that because you're drinking and that's good.
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We could go really deep into that.
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I've already finished the rich man died.
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Ready on the poor man. You're already killing the poor
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man. Just hammering it, dude.
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Hammering it. Hey, let's do it.
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Let's have a little fun, man. Some things came up this week,
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Chad, and, you know, things on Twitter and what you?
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Let's go with the top three chain sub spots for you Brian.
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Let's go. 3, 2, 1. Start with your three, and I'll
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hit with mine. All right.
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Three Penn Station, Penn Station is the winner in this category,
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because they put pizza sauce on the cheesesteak.
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Take, and they've got fries. And if you like a cold
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refreshing beverage in the summer time, they've got a
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pretty banging homemade lemonade will buy you three for me is
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Potbelly, okay? Very big fan of pot-bellied
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since they opened pretty local here, last few years, both good
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hot and cold Subs. Have an awesome chip brand, but
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the one thing that sets it off for me is do that little
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pickled. Pepper thing, they have it's
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just like so money's, like grab two of those to go myself.
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I appreciate it. I know about you and the
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peppers, man. I remember some troops used to
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make it the office back in the day, you would always loaded up
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on the pepper. So I I know that you are a
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pepper kind of sewer Peppers, you know?
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Dude I'll be straight up as a family we buy bell peppers,
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either three or six every week so I love Peppers.
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Hi, what's your 20? To, I'm going to go.
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It's a toss-up. I'm gonna go Firehouse.
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I'm gonna go fire house. I'm going to go probably hook
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and ladder is going to be the go-to well buddy.
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You and number two. Dude, I'm firehouses well.
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And I think the reason is it's a bigger sub than pot-bellied but
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they're hot and cold match. They have some they have good.
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Like, I believe that Reuben I've had several times excellent
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Reuben for a chain restaurant and you know, that they have the
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cold. To.
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So I'm with Father. What's the other one inch and
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the engineer I think is the one that has the the brisket and the
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yes pastrami. I think you're right about that.
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Yeah but just just just a really good sub just you know every
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like the ingredients and everything.
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It's you know there might too. Now I have a feeling I have a
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feeling too and wanting to be the exact same for mean.
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You just want to thank you hear Voice number one.
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In Jersey Mike's. And it's not a question.
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I've got two. No twos.
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I've got the, I got the number nine.
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If I want something cold, and I've got the Big Kahuna, if I'm
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going for for something. Hot agreed on the Big Kahuna,
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but I love the cancro, the canker of special that's my
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go-to with the cold, but I think Jersey is Mike's the reason
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they're one is, if you just want like a good cold cuts up man,
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they pile it. And they are very simplistic
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with their ingredients and it's good.
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The bread tastes great. They put enough meat and cheese
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on there, where you feel like you're taking a sandwich and
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then the same with the Big Kahuna with those jalapenos,
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baby. Okay.
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Now let's just put it out here to those listening.
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Subway is not acceptable in a top three.
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Yeah, I've got no problem with you.
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Putting Subway somewhere. But it's not at the top three,
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it really shouldn't be a top five if you know depending on
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depending on your locality in your exposure I can see where
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Subway might make a top five but I mean if you've been anywhere
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that has at least four sub shops you should not have Subway in
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your top three. Boom, we're going to end up
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doing an episode of one day. Cause I'd be good with that.
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I'd be good with that. All right buddy, I got a song.
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I want to play for you for where we're moving next.
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Alrighty, I'm listening. All right, guys, we're entering
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a world where the NCAA has a draft picture.
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If you will get it, gotta do my best Rod here, picture event
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roster the baby. So this has been like kind of
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floated in several podcast in the of yesteryear.
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But we figured, you know, since we're in a Quarantine right now,
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we got time on our hands. We could discuss it.
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We decided we were going to give the people what they want and
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what the people want? I think is a more Equitable
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college football, situation. Something with more parity at
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least more parity than we have. And Curtis has been, I don't
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know. Curtis, I'll let you throw it
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out there. When did you develop this?
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All right, it started roughly seven or eight years ago when Me
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and you were working together and you we take lunches and
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breaks. And I feel like about every once
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a month this would come up for like two days and we go back and
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forth. And at that point in time you
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knew my stance I was completely against all the pain of any
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players didn't want it to happen.
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Didn't think it was right now. Even at that point in time, even
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seven, eight years ago, you had a different stance, though.
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Yes. I was willing to listen to
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propose. Rules for players profiting from
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their name or likeness or abilities mainly because
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regardless of how we both felt about the situation, literally
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every other student athlete has an opportunity, except for ones
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that play some of these major sports.
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So whether their own scholarship, they're not, they
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can make money off their likeness name or ability, but
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it's ew, athletes didn't have that privilege.
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So that's where my, that's where my take was.
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It seemed like Curtis if he was going to take a dive off here.
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He wanted something a little bit more revolutionary, there's no
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reason to play it safe in that case on because my thought was
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when you always talked about that was well Whoever has the
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biggest boosters or just going to essentially higher the top
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prospects. If you got a booster who's worth
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60 million dollars, um, come here son, come on over here.
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60,000, talk about my car Dealership whatever.
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But as you slowly through this conversation, you you sort of
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kind of grinded at me over those few years because you hit some
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really good valid points. But then like, I can remember
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like one of the days. I first brought up the idea and
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it hit me and I said it to you, but like revolutionary idea.
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And the idea was this, when I said it, I'm sure Brian's face.
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Your face is I gave me one of those who still looks but I
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said, hey Brian, we pay the players but if we pay the
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players they get drafted, he said it and my first immediate
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reaction was nah, that's not going to happen.
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That's fine. That wouldn't be feasible.
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It removes the idea of scholar-athlete almost
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completely since a prospect wouldn't be able to choose where
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they would go if they're being drafted.
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But as Curtis started explaining what he was talking about.
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There's actually a little bit of a solution to that conundrum and
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I'll let Curtis dive in a little bit more here and tell you what
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that solution is. Yeah.
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And we're going to get to that, won't you?
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Hold it because it's like, it's got to be layered, right.
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Because if they start going all over the place, people will be
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like what the bleep did you guys talk tonight.
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But the one thing I can't Brian, during this time that always
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done, he really he challenged me on certain Except some of my
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original ideas. He play Devil's Advocate even
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though at times there was no reason to play Devil's Advocate
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with so many of the ideas and points I've come up with.
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So we walking around break just chitchat.
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Like what about this? And you'd be like, poke poke
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poke be like damn you. But I, but I really appreciate
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it. Because it made me think more
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and more about this. And in reality, it really isn't
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just my piece is both of our pieces because without Brian
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being that devils, Advocate without essentially playing that
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person who, you know, I'd come the idea into here it is.
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What do you think? You poke the holes?
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I go back to the drawing board is really both of our
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dissertation on this type subject.
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Yeah, I was good at poking, the whole wall.
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So and then cried said, encourage back in the lab and
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he'd come back at me we you know, one solution.
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Would fill one hole and sometimes open another.
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Sometimes he'd seal it up, good on the least on one side of the
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ship. I wouldn't say that what we were
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about to present here is better than the current system.
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But I would argue it certainly is no worse and is more
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Equitable. And if that's what we're
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shooting for then this you know might have some legs in a
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Twilight Zone. It is also again, I think pot
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probably a complete pipe dream that we have fun with and we
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thought we would let you in on some of this, this brain.
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Lab Behavior. Curtis is showing trying to fix
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college sports. First of all, pipe dream.
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Hell, this is going to be the way it goes one day and we might
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be in our 60s when it happens and we will be commissioned in
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it. Me and you were going to work
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out. Getting some, we're going to get
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the what's the rights man? And that when you have the ideas
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God you know intellectual property rights, there you go,
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it electrical property rights. Thanks it wasn't coming there.
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The intellectuals kind of gone today.
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But the first thing we had to do was I had to start somewhere and
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say, well who's a part of this draft and, you know, I'm just
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going to be straight up, I'm sorry.
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Group of five schools, Old Dominion Georgia, Southern and
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the rest of y'all and all you long-term non-major,
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Independence. Sorry, Liberty.
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You're not involved. So it's really you're looking at
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all the power, five schools along with Notre Dame and BYU,
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I'm Sardar me, guess you're an independent long-standing, but
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we cannot start partnering you with having this potential when
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navy Air Force Camp. Plus I get a feeling this
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service institutions wouldn't want to be a part of this
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anyway. Their things they don't even
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release about some of their players and some of their
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scholarships. So I'm sure there'll be some
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part of like, nah, we're good. We're on a different level than
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that. So, so that's it.
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We got 66 teams. All right.
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So first thing here, for the, for those done.
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The 66, they will unfortunately be resigned to get the leavings
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of the power 5 program. Should they choose?
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Not to accept the power 5 draft? Designations They also may not
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be able to support themselves since, I'm not certain that the
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financials will be the same. Once all these changes are in
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place, the first holds I'd like to poke in here is like let's
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talk about television money. And the teams that draft not
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wanting to play teams that don't the same way that power 5 and G
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five schools currently play. Well, I think first brine you
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talk about them playing, I think that's still going to happen,
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you know? There is still going to be money
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out there for p52 fake G5 to say hey come down first week in
26:15
September, here's million dollars.
26:18
They're not going to turn those down but also the G5 is actually
26:22
going to have in a little while here.
26:24
You're going to hear some benefits that they have that the
26:27
P5 don't have concerning players so hold tight for that man.
26:34
You know. So the P51 privy to certain
26:37
things that the G5 are now as far as supporting Cells.
26:42
I even think with the things I'm going to lay out and we're going
26:45
to discuss here, there's still a market for gm5 amongst fans
26:48
amongst recruits. I mean their games are still
26:51
being watched. I mean, Brian you take last year
26:54
UCF temple on Thursday night competing with the NFL still
26:57
pulled like 1.8 million people on ESPN to watch it.
27:01
That's not small number and then you think about like, mac ssion
27:06
and the, the fun belt on Tuesday and Wednesdays.
27:11
They're pulling anywhere from 650, 700, 800 thousand people
27:15
watching. So the markets are still, there
27:17
we are football-loving society and I don't foresee them losing
27:22
it all now. I think what probably will have
27:26
to happen if this were ever to be implemented.
27:28
I think they'd have to take a hard look About who they pay
27:34
versus who just gets a scholarship.
27:37
But I think this is just going to be just it's still the devil
27:41
but it's just a different type of devil that again that we're
27:43
looking at making college football as a whole more
27:47
equitable. Okay, okay, so you're thinking
27:52
that with the measures that are in place and with some of the
27:55
cost saving features coupled with some of the extra media
27:59
Revenue coming in that they're going to be just fine.
28:03
Absolutely. I think they're going to be just
28:04
fine. Plus, you know, I can't wear a
28:09
football of them society and the one thing I'm going to bring up
28:12
here later is going to be about the money for that G5 / P 5,
28:18
which I think you're going to like a lot but but now hey I got
28:22
66 team established. We got it right.
28:25
Okay, we got 6666 but like any draft you can't just throw out
28:30
big number Birds, whatever, whatever.
28:33
So I started doing some research and I kind of effort it in
28:36
effort and looked and said, all right, eight rounds feels right?
28:40
It's about 528 prospects. That's where I feel.
28:45
That's going to be the size of this draft.
28:46
There's a to see Your picks for these 66 teams.
28:51
Okay, so you got eight round, 66 teams.
28:54
Obviously theoretically eight pigs per team so I like the
28:58
number in terms of not being, oh, nurse Lee, long of a draft
29:02
and problematic from a logistical standpoint.
29:06
Got a couple questions for you though.
29:09
All right, normally recruiting cycle has 18 to 26, 25 26,
29:13
scholarships available, depending on De partie players,
29:16
transfer as things of that nature.
29:19
Where are the other players coming from to fill out the rest
29:21
of the roster and is they're going to still be traditional
29:25
recruiting for those sub 8786 re caliber players because if we're
29:31
talking about 528 prospects, we're talking about pretty much
29:35
all the five and four-star guys and a good number of high three
29:39
stars. Absolutely.
29:41
Yep. It's theoretically eight picks
29:43
and then you know, some things can happen that will be touched
29:47
on later. Or about the theoretical eight
29:50
picks but for the players who aren't drafted and we hit them
29:54
first. They're just going to be going
29:55
through their normal recruiting process for them.
29:58
It's their decision where they want to play and you are kind of
30:02
right about that ranking caliber.
30:03
Twilight looked at eight rounds because that's roughly your
30:06
five-star. Your lead of a leak to your very
30:09
high three borderline for. But also So it's a very
30:14
interesting number of how coaches have to sell kids
30:17
because it's not a tiny number. Like, oh, you've got to sell
30:19
three kids that get drafted. That's, that's not that overly
30:22
difficult, right? Yeah, but it's not like, oh,
30:25
we're gonna do 26 rounds. First of all, we'd be here for
30:29
three weeks, and that wouldn't be fun for anyone.
30:34
So they still have to, they still have to kind of sell a
30:37
kid. And for the kid, I mean, you see
30:39
so many guys get so excited about getting drafted, even if
30:42
it's in the Seven, six and seventh rounds.
30:45
It's kind of a symbol. I'm one of the best.
30:49
I was chosen by a power five team or one of the major
30:53
Independence to play football for them.
30:55
The kind of, like a badge of honor to say, you got drafted in
30:59
this. Okay.
31:01
So it seems like if you're a power, five School scouting and
31:06
selling their pick is still going to be very important
31:09
because if it turns out, you know, whether the recruiting
31:11
turn sour or more taper, Feels that they are who you thought
31:15
you were. You don't exactly have the
31:17
ability to Pivot to like a high 3 or a low for Star playing be
31:22
like you would under current recruiting is all those guys are
31:25
already going to be on other teams.
31:26
So you'll have to try to sell an undrafted player that played for
31:30
you is better than going to a G5 school at that point or you'll
31:34
have to find someone on the transfer portal.
31:36
And since were there Curtis, what's the transfer portal going
31:40
to look like in the system. I helped us before I had to try.
31:43
A, I'm going to agree with you 100% on this, The Scouting, how
31:48
you sell your flow G finding culture, if it's there, still so
31:52
important in doing this. But to your point it kind of
31:56
starts, this is where I'm talking.
31:58
We're talking about the Equitable, it starts, leveling
32:01
the playing field. That if a team doesn't have
32:04
three tier 1 options at a physician's, your Scouts better
32:07
be right about those lower guys because that's where so many of
32:13
the elite You know, they're old middle linebacker went down.
32:17
What does that matter? They had the third best middle
32:19
linebacker in their recruiting class the year after he came, it
32:23
doesn't hurt them at all compared to a lot of players and
32:29
it's to me why we look at this and you see that we've had a
32:33
playoff for six years, only 11 teams that went behind on the 11
32:38
teams have went to that. So there's really no parity in
32:41
it at all for me. I'm all with the new transfer
32:44
rules for those players. Now, there are going to be we'll
32:48
discuss it when we get to the financial point.
32:50
There are some Financial consequences when kids do choose
32:54
to make that decision, it's going to be highlighted as we
32:57
cover the salary portion of the conversation.
33:02
Okay, so we've got the inherent benefits and the fact that
33:06
you've still got to recruit under this system.
33:10
All right. Let's take a look at the draft
33:12
itself. First, what type of draft are
33:15
we? Having second are their trades
33:18
going to be allowed in this draft and third, if they are, if
33:22
they are going to be allowed, would it be a pic package or
33:27
would players be involved and forth?
33:30
What are the ramifications of drafting a player that, you
33:33
know, won't play for your school?
33:36
Both for that player and for the school and those are really all
33:40
good legitimate questions of how this goes.
33:42
First of all, this is a complete lie.
33:43
Lottery style selection and for the first year you do it you
33:47
would drop all sixty six teams in.
33:50
Pick them up one through 266. How that turns out is after that
33:57
you're looking at 33 and 33. So for example if you are in the
34:02
first half of the first 66, the next flick you're going to be in
34:05
the back half and you're going to flick it, split it up like
34:08
that. I hope that does.
34:09
That make sense? You'll be rotating every year
34:12
you're going to be at the front half.
34:13
Of the 33 of the back half of the 33 and where you are is
34:16
going to be essentially, you know, completely random.
34:21
So you cannot tank to get extra balls.
34:24
You get one ball only but it's also going to be a snake draft.
34:30
So, thank for most of us, you play Fantasy Football.
34:33
Snake draft is how we do it again.
34:35
This is where the selections kind of level out, you pick the
34:39
highest, you know, five star because you had the second pick.
34:43
Well, now you're having to wait, what is that close to?
34:47
What almost 130, pixel, 800-plus pics?
34:50
Yeah, to make your second picks. So all those teams who are at
34:55
the back half one year, you know, they have that potential
34:58
to get like we're going to get maybe a top 60 and then a top,
35:02
80 Guy versus, if you're picking up front we're getting one of
35:05
the elites but now again how we Scout, this guy's going to be
35:09
kind of important. So you know, Those things are
35:15
pretty big on that. Now, there are they will be no
35:17
trades allowed, okay? Yes, none.
35:20
You can't do it. It's theirs.
35:23
You can't be saying we're going to do this pick in this picture.
35:25
This big. Nope, you're getting eight
35:27
players whether you like it or not, not unless if you draft a
35:32
player and they do not signed to play for you, they're going to
35:36
have Financial consequences. But I'll get to that later, but
35:40
there are two things that can happen if they signed with one
35:42
of the other 65 schools. First of all, that's cool.
35:47
Will relinquish their pick in the next year's draft for the
35:50
same round. So let's say your School of
35:54
Choice chooses a quarterback at 18, he doesn't want to play for
35:58
you. I'm going to this school.
36:00
Well, if that's cool, chooses to sign in, guess what?
36:03
You get there. One pick the next year, some
36:06
compensation. So again, Then how you recruit,
36:10
that's who really wants that guy.
36:11
He thinks he's worth it. Well, you better hope that the
36:14
next year, he is worth it because you're not going to have
36:16
one of those little eat 66 players to go there.
36:20
Now, here's kind of the downside of it but good for the G5
36:24
schools. If the school below, if that
36:26
kids used to go to a G5 school, you're out of luck.
36:31
So, you know, you still have to recruit two players, and you
36:36
have to know them, when you draft them, that you draft on,
36:40
you know, they're going to walk on campus and start playing for
36:42
you, okay? Okay, so notes, all these teams.
36:47
If this ever goes down, do not put yourself in a John Elway,
36:50
your Eli Manning type situation because you will get screwed.
36:56
And you might waste a pick and even if you get a compensatory
36:59
pick, you're putting yourself one cycle behind on some of
37:03
these teams because you're essentially throwing away up a
37:06
high caliber player for one year, exactly.
37:10
All right. So lottery draft order with a
37:13
snake format. So now we've got the players are
37:16
drafted. Let's talk about financials.
37:19
That's one of the biggest selling points for the system.
37:23
Yeah, it is. Now, you're exactly right with
37:25
the eel. Eli and John Elway, comparison,
37:28
Steve. Why you've got to recruit?
37:29
You've got to get to know these guys.
37:31
Now, there is some compensation for losing a guy, so it's not a
37:34
complete waste. But to your point you just made
37:37
if you just tried to take a guy and he had no interest in
37:41
signing, he left. Yeah, you got a compensatory but
37:43
guess what? Well now you've got to figure
37:46
out one of the other guys either in your draft or one of the
37:49
undrafted guys that you're recruiting, can you get somebody
37:52
similar order your point? Well, the next You're going to
37:56
have an extra pick but okay, great.
37:58
That's next year that doesn't help you.
38:00
One thing about college as we know every year, so you don't
38:06
want to throw away a selection. I mean, you got some
38:09
scholarships toward the low end that, you know, you take risk on
38:14
guys, but you don't want to be throwing away, your, your eight,
38:18
top recruits for a from a cycle. And knowing one of them is just
38:21
not going to be there and give you any production.
38:24
Absolutely. All right, so Financial Peace.
38:26
Well, here's the big piece, all the division.
38:29
One programs P5 Independence, have the option to pay their
38:34
players. A set amount of twenty thousand
38:36
dollars per year along with their scholarship.
38:41
Now, amazing programs, discretion of how many players
38:45
you take, now the maximum quality players, 85 that's going
38:49
to be the max number of paid players.
38:53
So we will essentially Match that.
38:54
So if you have 85 guys on scholarship, those are the 85
38:58
guys, essentially getting paid. So the program chooses to pay
39:03
all ages. It is only a grand total.
39:08
Brine of 1.7 million a year. I mean, that's what do you think
39:12
of that? Um, that's that was my first big
39:17
question. When it came to the financial
39:19
side of his is this additional budget to pay players.
39:22
Where is it coming from? I know additional media proceeds
39:25
were coming to play because the more parody that you see in a
39:28
league, the more people tune in and watch because there's more
39:32
people that have steaks and, and steaks that go beyond, just
39:36
whether or not a team wins or loses and whether or not a team,
39:41
you know, gets them that pearly that they've been looking for.
39:44
You know, bookies aside so when we look at so we got a digital
39:50
media proceeds from that are open up to the university as a
39:52
result of that from the conference in the n-c-double-a.
39:55
So that's going to be a portion of it.
39:56
But I think there would likely still be incentive to pay.
40:00
Only players that were drafted versus the entire 85
40:05
scholarships under this proposal.
40:08
But you know, if you've got the resources, you might be able to
40:12
pay them all. I think some of it's going to
40:14
depend on what your, what Your boosters can do.
40:18
I don't know what what that's going to look like.
40:20
But in terms of being able to pump money into a program, is
40:23
that going to help still help those programs in a way?
40:27
Well you know I mean that's what it's going to be the decision of
40:29
each University. Everybody's going to have their
40:33
bottom lines. They look at and you know how
40:36
they decide to give you a potential future monies and all
40:38
that. But I mean, we talked about it
40:41
last week, we would Virginia Tech The football program had
40:45
profits last year of 23 million dollars, dude, 1.7 million ain't
40:50
even 10% of that and wear one of those in the, in the, in the
40:55
30s. And, you know, there's some
40:57
programs clearly behind us. So, again, the schools have to
41:00
determine that, but again, the big piece is to your point.
41:06
You just made Your Iowa State. And I knew I was States now
41:11
better under Matt Campbell, but for years, they were a doormat.
41:14
You're getting better players, your more competitive team for
41:18
more people are coming. More people are watching you on
41:20
TV so you're probably going to see money.
41:22
Come back to the program regardless, okay?
41:27
So more money is coming in. It would be nice for the NCAA to
41:31
maybe come off of some of their money to help these
41:33
universities, you know, meet that bottom line, and not have
41:36
to cut sports or or rely on these extra donors to fund the,
41:44
the system, the new draft system.
41:46
But I don't foresee the NCAA necessarily changing their
41:51
allotments to the conference's. What about you?
41:54
Well, I mean, I think what you're gonna see is the school's
41:56
potential are going to see a windfall from a deal cover in
41:59
this draft because we know people watch.
42:02
I mean, you take a look at national Signing Day When It
42:05
Happens. ESPN, FS1.
42:08
Be a sport. They're all on top of it so
42:11
they're clearly covered it up. So you don't think if you have a
42:16
draft where they're talking about the best high school
42:18
players with 66 of the most popular teams, I think there's
42:23
some help right there man to help those salaries.
42:26
Yes. The NCAA is going to cover that,
42:28
cut it up to the conferences in the schools that would cover it.
42:31
Because I know what networks for the NFL draft, I think paid a
42:36
total of 440. Billion to the NFL to cover the
42:39
draft last year. So even if the n-c-double-a made
42:44
you know 1/40 of that that would be enough to cover the
42:48
additional amount to pay all 8685 scholarships for every NCAA
42:52
team. That's a part of the draft.
42:55
Absolutely Manning. Just a billion dollars, you know
42:59
billion dollars to some programs to help them out.
43:02
I don't think that now let me call me kind of slip in I think.
43:08
This, the NCAA would be smart to aim for like a Thursday, Friday,
43:12
Saturday, like in January, after the national championship game
43:15
before before NFL, playoff games are kind of in their big for
43:21
those weekends because you still essentially we're going to
43:26
eliminate the early 90s early signing period and we're going
43:29
to go back to the old school. You sign in February, so you're
43:33
going to have a draft and a few weeks later national Signing
43:36
Day. So there's that kind of Of the
43:38
time frame in there where they can carve out a little three-day
43:43
spot where fans like me and you folks, we talked with our
43:47
friends of other teams. Well, who's not sitting down to
43:50
see who your rival or soon, who's getting, I taken?
43:53
It's true, man. I think you know, talking about
43:55
that Pro Bowl weekend is probably a very good week in the
43:59
lookout because it's a couple weeks ahead of Nationals the
44:03
traditional national Signing Day, but it's on a weekend where
44:06
you're not competing with the All that much, especially if you
44:09
get into Thursday Friday and Saturday, especially if you're
44:13
doing something in the daytime on on Saturday.
44:16
I think you're going to be fine there.
44:18
So I think Pro Bowl, we could really turn into something.
44:21
That's about more than just, you know, the guys that were good
44:26
but our thing in the Super Bowl, playing an exhibition do that,
44:30
actually, I love that idea man, because if you really have it,
44:33
you have so many pro bowlers there, who could announce two
44:35
picks for Alma maters. And I know earlier and we
44:41
brought him up a couple times. You had some questions about the
44:44
financial side where we finally got here.
44:47
We're through the draft when it probably should take place.
44:51
What type of draft it is, but we are now here.
44:57
It's so, we're talking about per athlete now.
45:00
So we've kind of address, the big picture Financial.
45:02
Let's look, let's take a look at the individual, how it affects
45:07
an individual student Wait. So you got the idea of paying
45:10
twenty, Kay a year per athlete for up to 85 athletes per team.
45:16
So since we're still at the draft version and not after a
45:22
student is enrolled, what happens?
45:24
Financially should a student athlete choose not to enroll at
45:27
their. Drafted School child is the
45:30
biggest piece of financial for those athletes.
45:32
If you choose not to play for the school that drafted them but
45:37
you choose one of the other 65 schools.
45:39
That's keep here. Involved with the draft you
45:43
forfeit three years of salary. You essentially forfeit Ten
45:46
dollars worth of money. That's a lot of money that you
45:51
if you told me, Brian, if me and you were told each other.
45:55
Hey, if you go here, will give you 60 Grand or give you 20
45:57
grand a year to go school. You okay, that's cool.
46:00
But if you go over there, you're going to lose all that, huh?
46:04
But remember, the one thing I told you about the G5 schools,
46:07
they had some benefits. Well, if you get drafted, and
46:11
you don't want to go play there, but you go play it to G5 School.
46:14
Your ecu's hear you out. CS you don't lose that salary.
46:21
So D5 schools probably going to be hired some groups recruiters
46:26
to go have to some of those kids.
46:30
Okay? So so that that we're talking
46:33
about another situation where, you know, talking to kids are
46:36
going to be crucial. Absolutely.
46:42
It's going to be crucial to begin staying with them.
46:44
Now, you asked about some transfer stuff earlier to only
46:48
hit that real quick. It's going to be similar to
46:50
transfer if you transfer with the one-time exception because I
46:54
do like that a lot to one of the other 65 schools, you do lose a
46:58
year of your salary. Now, if you go to a G5 School,
47:01
same way you don't lose anything grad transfers there, they're
47:05
done with essentially the school they started with they don't
47:09
lose Is anything when they transfer, they keep that salary.
47:12
So the bigger piece here is, you know, you get drafted somewhere.
47:17
You don't like you, but you don't want to lose that much
47:19
money, you know, I'm going to go here and get my 20K in and
47:21
transfer it while won't go. Well, you know the dice rolled
47:25
Brian when you start transferring because it's like
47:28
you're going to be behind people already.
47:30
You're not gonna know the chemistry of the team you're
47:32
going to have to learn to play book.
47:33
Is it worth twenty thousand dollars to go somewhere?
47:37
Where maybe you think has more class Or maybe you think so
47:41
better situation? Okay, so it makes it makes you
47:45
think twice about Cloud chasing or going to these traditional
47:49
NFL factories just for the sake of doing it versus sticking out
47:55
and showing what you can do on the field at a non-traditional
47:59
school or a school that doesn't quite have that that same level
48:02
of clout, so piggybacking on that.
48:05
So we're talking about G5, still, has that option there,
48:09
but the biggest critique I have is, you know, we talked about
48:13
the The draft funding in the 60k for the draft eligible schools.
48:17
Who's funding the 60k, should a player choose to go to G5.
48:23
How many scholar Ash athletes, are they expected to be paid?
48:26
If they end up playing for G5, I'll be, I really like the idea
48:31
of the player losing out. Should they choose to go to
48:33
another school? Because it requires the player
48:36
and the coach to be upfront during the pre-draft process.
48:40
If you blow smoke up a coach's ass about being willing to play
48:43
there, R or they draft you and then you're you're in a spot.
48:47
If you change your mind or if you were bullshitting them in
48:51
Jumping Ship, now you actually got some real world consequences
48:56
for those decisions. At the same time, a coach will
49:00
need to be upfront about a player and how they will be
49:03
deployed or how soon they will play.
49:07
Because that's still going to be a selling point for the
49:10
situation, but I'm still concerned.
49:13
If they go through all that and they still decide, they want to
49:16
go G5, how are they getting funded?
49:19
All right. Yeah, I'm gonna hit the G5 first
49:23
and we'll come back to the other piece about, you know, the
49:25
recruiting part of it. The G5 is going to have to find
49:28
their own salaries, just like the other 66.
49:30
Now, the number of trade prospects.
49:32
Again, we set it with the other guys.
49:34
It's going to be at the discretion of the school.
49:36
You don't want it. E5, you don't have to have any
49:38
5. This is completely up to you.
49:40
It's an option out there to offer the player this so they
49:45
have to make those decisions. They have to look at their
49:48
football, but some of them, you know, are looking at.
49:55
Some of them are making money where this would be a problem.
49:58
Some of them are probably the football program pays for
50:01
itself. What do we do?
50:04
There's four, five years, ten kids, we were Ali.
50:07
Like we can get if we pay them but how do we talk to the other
50:09
seven times? Now to your other point you're
50:13
absolutely right about blowing smoke up people's asses and how
50:16
you recruit. First of all, I don't think any
50:18
player that gets drafted in this by school is going to be one of
50:24
those are they're just they just want to get this clout guy.
50:27
Why are you going to do that? If they spent really could
50:29
leave, if we're drafting you, we feel that you are one of the
50:32
eight players that can come in and make an immediate impact,
50:35
right? No doubt, no doubt, that's my
50:39
thought. A starting role by your by your
50:45
second year. I think that's going to be
50:47
problematic if you're taking guys like that.
50:50
Absolutely. And it's just one of those
50:52
things because it's really where it starts, leveling the playing
50:56
field. Because now there's ABC options.
50:59
Now, you have to be real because you aren't getting those option.
51:02
They don't have Country, Coach has to be, you have to coach up.
51:06
Those who aren't as talented, you know, if you don't have 11 5
51:11
stars, You're getting in this recruiting class and you got to
51:15
well how good of a coach are you?
51:19
You know? That's that's a thing to think
51:21
about that. So many times like are you
51:24
really a good coach or do you just have guys who were made for
51:27
the NFL and you're just here riding them?
51:30
So yeah. All right man.
51:33
Well you know the theme of this entire conversation is mostly
51:36
been me arguing money, whether it's how to fund the draft.
51:42
To fund the 20K, whether from a power 5 or a G5 situate
51:48
situation. I haven't really focused a lot
51:52
on Logistics or bylaws. So, let's talk Logistics and
51:56
bylaws, you know what role is the NCAA going to play in
52:00
governing this system? What rules exist for player
52:05
image likeness and are there going to be any changes to the
52:11
3-year rule? Rule for going pro.
52:14
I know that's more of an NFL thing than an NCAA thing, but I
52:17
think some of this is going to be reciprocal and how is pro
52:21
defined under these new rules since players are being
52:24
compensated directly for their play.
52:27
All right, so first of all, the NCAA would have three to five
52:32
players of every team randomly off of the pay players, randomly
52:37
audited yearly and by that entire asthma and their
52:39
financials, their assets and Lead thing there.
52:42
Or a value. So you want to set this up so if
52:46
a booster starting to pay the players and they get caught,
52:51
Adam is Mobsters get caught, they get called actually doing a
52:53
crimes now. Well, Phoenix, it's usually
52:56
findings is this crew, you know them over so you know what, you
53:00
know, ability to properly and launder their money.
53:03
There you go. So, in this case, do I foresee
53:07
happening. Absolutely.
53:08
But for me, I think you don't punish the kids that hard.
53:11
I think you lay off the kid. Kids, again, there's somewhere
53:14
between the age of 17. 22, they're young, you know kind of
53:19
unaware of this. It to me.
53:21
You crush the school that lets it happen and you crush the
53:23
boosters. When I say Crush to boosters,
53:26
they don't allow to associate with the school.
53:27
They can't be anywhere near that campus.
53:30
They essentially get their pride and joy trip that.
53:32
They're one of these guys that can walk and talk to all the
53:34
players and get to know them, get to pictures in the
53:36
autographs and take it away from you want to see some booster,
53:39
stop doing shit. That's how you stop him, right?
53:42
There then remove the clouds. Remove the clout.
53:45
Ding. Ding now I would like to see
53:50
going forward with the ncaa's. Guidelines are going to be for
53:54
the name image and likeness rule that's coming down just to see
53:59
kind of. They're going to have a cap on
54:00
that, I'm assuming they will. So again it would probably
54:04
slowly fall into that line with the audible players, you take
54:08
three of the five. You look at what they got on
54:11
their salary, what they got with the name image and likeness and
54:14
dive into it that way. And you said it before the
54:18
three-year Rule is, it's an NFL rule.
54:21
That's not an NCAA rule, they aren't professionals.
54:25
The reason these kids are being compensated is because they are
54:28
representing their school publicly.
54:31
Because as you know, and the one thing that stuck with me so long
54:34
ago, that when we started this conversation, most students can
54:39
get a job working on campus these guys cans.
54:43
But what they're doing, how they're working to put into the
54:46
putting their bodies on the line, candy canes.
54:49
War, you know, 60 70 hundred thousand people to watch and pay
54:54
to see him play, and then Millions more on TV that back.
54:58
That's their job. That's their just work study
55:01
ever. It's like me becoming an RA or
55:04
working for housing or you like being a front desk agent.
55:07
There is no difference except they make a lot more.
55:10
They bring in a lot more money than we do.
55:13
And a lot of work studies, don't ask you to put your body on line
55:16
like that, man. It's true.
55:19
History of not played V3, so I put my body on the line for
55:22
free, but yeah, I get where you're coming from with that.
55:25
That definitely playing at a high level like that definitely,
55:28
you know, comes with some Hazard pay as it were, all right.
55:32
So you telling me, I get paid 20K a year though and with my
55:35
only uncovered mandatory expense being gas money.
55:39
Yeah, it's still take that. So now that we've more or less
55:42
laid out the key points, anything else the audience needs
55:46
to know about this plan. No real.
55:49
Other key point because it's kind of laid out here.
55:52
But a question for you. Brian, you have seen and you've
55:55
heard this plans for years. I mean Year we're, it's
55:58
borderline a decade-old. Now, let me ask this does this
56:05
plan benefit the players? Does it benefit?
56:09
The players is that you give me a yes or no?
56:12
Yeah, players definitely have some benefit here.
56:14
No doubt. Because again, they're getting
56:16
financially compensated for their play directly, not them
56:21
having to hustle. I mean, even even under the more
56:25
ideal situation that we're looking at coming into play here
56:27
with image and likeness. They still have to the hustle
56:30
themselves to get those things put in place.
56:33
This is okay. Well, you're playing for us.
56:35
You get paid, there you go. So some other things.
56:39
That's a big benefit big benefit for the players.
56:41
And does this benefit the top 10% of college football or the
56:45
other 90, in terms of the ones that are part of the draft and
56:49
even indirectly, I could say, some of the, the g5s definitely
56:54
benefits the other ninety and I think it puts a greater
56:58
influence on building relationships and coaching on
57:02
the field prop on the field product, versus selling
57:07
miscellaneous off the field, I think in many ways will learn
57:12
that. A good coach will get a kid
57:14
drafted, no matter what university they represent, and
57:17
I'd like to see that. I mean, the schools that we call
57:20
NFL factories are called such because so many of the most
57:23
talented players are going there and every year they've got a
57:27
four or five star guy playing the key positions on that team.
57:31
Yeah, and I'm going to say this about the NFL factories, the one
57:33
big Advantage, they have over the next tier schools there and
57:37
you set it there. So deep Deep top guy goes down.
57:41
Another top guy comes right into fall into place and it's tough
57:47
to tell it in Collegiate level. If it's the coaching or if I got
57:50
was just born play football and I tell you if the system has
57:55
ever adopted, you imagine a team like Ohio State who was just
57:58
always loaded, so many talented players.
58:01
You imagine them that five starting left tackle goes down
58:04
and then this the to star from down the road.
58:10
He's probably isn't ready to play, that's a fact of life for
58:14
the other 90%. I mean, we see it every year
58:17
with our team being, the Hokies, we see it every year happen, and
58:22
it's the other schools as well. That aren't in that essentially,
58:25
upper echelon and I'm going to tell you another thing in, this
58:29
could be the trigger if it's everywhere to happen.
58:33
I bet you Infidel front. Offices, would love this idea
58:36
because then they would be able to see what kids.
58:39
Truly can play and who just might be along for the ride with
58:42
all the other talented guys around them.
58:45
That's true. Let me pose this question to you
58:48
run based on your knowledge of college football.
58:52
You watched alot, you're like me, you'll stay up till 1:00 in
58:55
the morning watching the West Coast games.
58:57
You'll watch some random games them on Thursday night,
59:00
Wednesday night. But who do you think really
59:04
would Thrive under the system? What are some teams out there
59:06
that you feel just watching them College?
59:09
All your life, that always seemed like, you know, who do
59:12
you think thrives here? So the teams are going to thrive
59:15
the most or teams that are coached, well on the field and
59:18
the the teams had developed Talent.
59:20
Well, and so teams that have consistently finished ahead of
59:25
their recruiting average in the final standings every year.
59:29
So teams that might be recruiting outside the top 25.
59:33
Even some cases, outside the top 40, but still finishing in the
59:36
top 25 more or less. At least, once every three to
59:41
five years. You know, let's talk about teams
59:44
like Wisconsin, Iowa, Virginia Tech West, Virginia Tech's does
59:50
Christian Oregon, Stanford, you'd of Mississippi State and
59:55
Baylor. I think all of those systems
59:58
would probably have greater success under this system
1:00:00
because you'd be looking at what they do from a talent
1:00:03
development and from an on-field perspective, and not just,
1:00:07
whether they can stack their team.
1:00:09
With four and five star kids did.
1:00:11
I that's such a freaking awesome way to put it.
1:00:14
I mean, I put Kentucky in there under Mark Stoops.
1:00:16
What? He's done.
1:00:16
There's great put Utah. They would Kyle Winningham.
1:00:20
I mean, never getting those top-tier guys but always
1:00:23
finishing good. So, let me flip it around.
1:00:29
Who's going to struggle to adapt?
1:00:30
Who? This is not trying to be mean
1:00:33
but which coaching staff you look at and say Jesus Christ.
1:00:38
If I I go out there. I can make these guys 19 games
1:00:41
without even blinking. All right, so first one's going
1:00:45
to be the other team that likes to clean the dvu moniker Ohio
1:00:51
State. I think they would struggle
1:00:53
because I think they have a way of pumping five star Talent into
1:00:58
that program with their recruiting.
1:01:01
And often times you don't see it.
1:01:04
Pay off relative to those recruiting numbers.
1:01:07
I think teams like my Me in Texas, you know, we always keep
1:01:10
hearing. All right, this is this is the
1:01:12
year for Texas or this is the year for the U.
1:01:15
The U is back or Texas's back. I think they would struggle even
1:01:18
more because you haven't seen progress in their own feel
1:01:22
product, despite them bringing in top 15, top 20 classes in the
1:01:27
case of Texas, consistently top, ten classes Penn State would see
1:01:31
a drop off. Because again, you know, they've
1:01:33
under a tree achieved relative to some of the recruiting
1:01:36
numbers they brought in I'd argue teams with recruiting
1:01:41
bumps of late would probably also struggle.
1:01:43
So, we're talking about the unc's in the Maryland's of the
1:01:46
world that are pumping out, you know, top 5 and top ten classes
1:01:50
so far going into 2021 that you know, we haven't seen what that
1:01:55
on-field products going to look like yet, but I don't think
1:01:57
you'll you won't see the buzz that it is being created around
1:02:01
their classes. So I think that they would
1:02:03
struggle as well and you know, UNC in Maryland have
1:02:06
consistently not not had great on field.
1:02:09
Dogs. And now you're starting to see
1:02:10
them get recruits. You're like okay what's going
1:02:12
on? That's the in they would even
1:02:15
fall further south from that under the new system.
1:02:19
Yeah. I'm with you on a high state
1:02:20
right now with how much talent they have and how much talent
1:02:25
and you watch District students, like almost are bringing in.
1:02:28
I can't tell you, if Ronde is a great head coach, a great
1:02:31
football coach or not or if he just has a bunch of NFL players
1:02:33
on the roster, and it doesn't really take that much to get
1:02:36
them going. I'll put Tennessee with your
1:02:38
Exes in your Miami assessments, they're always getting talented.
1:02:43
Even the few years while Pruitt's been, you're still
1:02:45
getting Talent, not producing. I do like food as a coach.
1:02:50
I think he might be the answer there but we don't know to help
1:02:57
the huh. I am going to disagree with you
1:02:59
about Penn State because I do think James Franklin could be
1:03:04
okay. He did some really good things
1:03:06
and Bandy, he's not afraid to make.
1:03:08
Is on his staff. He's shown that even in the last
1:03:12
few years was getting recruiting classes, he's trying to.
1:03:14
It looks like he's trying to bring him better coaching.
1:03:17
I think he's fallen under this thing that he is going to be a
1:03:20
good recruiter and is becoming easier and I think he's I think
1:03:24
he feels he's taken his eye off the ball in the coaching
1:03:26
Twilight fired. His offensive coordinator
1:03:28
brought in the guy from Minnesota.
1:03:32
Now UNC in Maryland, they just have great recruiting head.
1:03:36
Coaches, the biggest difference is this Mac has won.
1:03:38
Games in the past, my clocks, their Sixth and 40 that's six
1:03:44
and forty careers a head coach, that's atrocious.
1:03:49
If I were kids parents, I would just look at me like how he
1:03:52
coached almost 50 games and you haven't even 120 yet?
1:03:56
Yeah, I mean, I mean, you would think you would lucky.
1:04:03
They least getting, you know, one one season, where you sneak
1:04:06
into a bowl and he hasn't done that.
1:04:08
I mean exactly. Alright.
1:04:11
Alright, so there it is, folks. All right, so Curtis you laid up
1:04:16
the plan. I've done my best to try Poke
1:04:19
holes and bring up counterpoints our listeners can know that I
1:04:23
give given due diligence to what you're laying out.
1:04:27
As I said at the beginning, it's not perfect.
1:04:30
And some of the measures would make for some hard choices, but
1:04:35
I 17 and 18 year olds because they be looking at their choice
1:04:40
of University, kind of, in some ways being being stripped from
1:04:44
them, ultimately. So that would be a big thing for
1:04:46
them to have to decide on. It is also being given 80,000
1:04:52
dollars. Absolutely.
1:04:53
Yeah. They're upside to that, but
1:04:56
we're still talking about a year old guys, of which not all of
1:05:00
them, even the five and four-star guys are gonna you
1:05:03
know as the NCAA likes to point out you know make a career in
1:05:07
something other than football and shit like that.
1:05:09
So the point the point is that, you know, you're you're still
1:05:14
talking about that that being taken from their hands in in
1:05:18
some, some Great. So, but it would present a more
1:05:21
balanced product on the field and it would make recruiting
1:05:24
more about the big picture stuff, instead of the perception
1:05:28
of a program. Big picture, meaning on the
1:05:31
field product, and have relationships that our coach
1:05:35
has, with the players, absolutely?
1:05:38
It would go back to that and I think my biggest takeaway from
1:05:41
this, and what really kind of brought me to kind of say, okay,
1:05:45
well, it's fucking out there, but, you know, let's give it a
1:05:48
ride. I'd it is out there and but it's
1:05:53
one of those things too. That if somebody would show the
1:05:56
projections of those P5 conferences, hey you're going to
1:05:59
make a lot more money a year. They look at Ohio State and they
1:06:04
look at Texas and they look at some of your other programs and
1:06:06
say, sorry dogs. More money is out there.
1:06:10
Why is the NFL King right now because of parity?
1:06:14
And that's why they have the draft.
1:06:16
That's why you can't just walk in and say, yo, I'm the best
1:06:18
quarterback in college on. Come play for your team.
1:06:20
Can't do that. Alright, so here's the question
1:06:24
fans that we're going to ask you in a post out on Twitter, what
1:06:27
schools, benefit the most from this type of draft, who suffers,
1:06:31
we've given our answers here. So, we want to hear yours, we
1:06:35
want to hear if you think, no Ronde is a great coach Ohio
1:06:39
state would keep on Chuck, and they keep on going to Rose Bowls
1:06:42
and making the playoffs. So that's the way we're going to
1:06:46
ask you guys to come up with it Brian.
1:06:49
Yeah, let us know. It's going to be the biggest
1:06:52
benefactor from a draft. I think that's the thing.
1:06:55
We want to know is like, who do you think's going to benefit the
1:06:57
most, and who's going to suffer? Because like I said, we Curtis
1:07:01
said we laid it out and I think some of you probably won't come
1:07:05
up with maybe some different answers than what we came up
1:07:07
with. So let's see what you got.
1:07:10
Absolutely. Alright.
1:07:11
So that is we're going to put the bow on it.
1:07:13
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1:07:16
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