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Ep #263 – From Triumph to Resurrection: The Story of Holy Week · Our Community, Our Mission

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  Speaker 1: Dear Heavenly Father, we thank you, lord, for this day and Lord, this time to record this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Lord, we thank you especially for this time.
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  Speaker 1: Lord, for what it means for us as believers, and Lord just, we're thankful for your time here on earth, your sacrifice and the inevitable resurrection, for which we look forward to.
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  Speaker 1: Lord, pray a blessing over this conversation and our time together.
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  Speaker 1: Lord, in your holy name, we pray, amen.
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  Speaker 1: Well, hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Our Community, our Mission.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Josh Turley, the Director of Strategic Development.
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  Speaker 1: I am joined by our very own Mike Schottel today.
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  Speaker 1: How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 1: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: How you doing?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing good.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing good.
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  Speaker 1: Today is episode 263.
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  Speaker 1: We've been doing this for a little bit, very little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always a good time, so this is a special, special time.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: Today is the Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: We're recording this on a Tuesday of Holy Week, yep, so we just celebrated Palm Sunday and are kind of walking through this Holy Week, obviously ending with Good Friday being the death of Jesus and then celebrating Sunday as resurrection.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to hop right into it.
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  Speaker 1: I think this is a special day in and of itself.
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  Speaker 1: As listeners know, we normally have a special day in and of itself.
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  Speaker 1: As, as, uh, listeners know, we normally have a bunch of fun days that we go over.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know today's special, like we don't.
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  Speaker 1: We don't need fun days, because this whole week is kind of what our belief in and, uh, you know how we practice here at, here at TRM, and our faith in Jesus and what it kind of hinges on, why we do what we do, trm and our faith in Jesus and what it kind of hinges on, why we do what we do, exactly why we do what we do.
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  Speaker 1: So, mike, why don't you kind of?
• 1:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I forgot to say your title.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, I always forget your title.
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  Speaker 1: Will you share your title with everyone?
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  Speaker 2: My title is.
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  Speaker 2: It's because, like I'm the only one that I can say it concisely.
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  Speaker 2: It's true, it's a long one.
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  Speaker 2: I mean Discipleship.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, I can't even say it Stumped yourself.
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  Speaker 2: I stumped myself Director of Spiritual Wellness and Discipleship.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Yes man, I got it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you nailed it.
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  Speaker 1: You nailed it.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, why don't you kind of unpack Holy Week for us, like what does it mean for us?
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  Speaker 1: How does it start?
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  Speaker 1: Unpack it from the very beginning.
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  Speaker 1: What is Palm Sunday?
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  Speaker 2: So Palm Sunday, and really, I think, where we're going to be hanging out a lot today, if we're going to be referencing anything scripturally, we're going to be looking at Mark, chapter 11.
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  Speaker 2: That's where your Bible's open to, that's where my Bible's open to.
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  Speaker 2: But at the beginning of Mark, chapter 11, you have the triumphal entry.
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  Speaker 2: So, excuse me, there is scripture back that backs up from I believe it's Zechariah talking about how there's going to be the king coming into the city of Jerusalem.
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  Speaker 2: Daughter Zion, look at your king coming in on a donkey would enter a city.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, if he was on a horse, which this is what's kind of wild too, because, uh, they had horses for different circumstances.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, isn't that a saying?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know sounds like a horse of a different color.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, yes, that's wizard of oz.
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  Speaker 2: Um, I think I'm thinking like curly from the three stooges.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a victim of circumstance, but they had, they had, like ceremonial horses.
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  Speaker 2: They had horses for war, they had horses for, you know, just, you know, trotting along on the path.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, you just have just a bunch of different kinds of cars.
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  Speaker 2: I'm in, I'm in my war car, I'm in my, uh, nice little cruise car.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So when the king would enter a city, that was just a sign of I'm going to war, I'm about to fight.
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  Speaker 2: So, first and foremost, if the Jews were looking for the Messiah, they thought the Messiah was going to come and wipe clean the Roman Empire and set set his kingdom, because that's what scripture was saying you know, he's going to set forth this kingdom and replace it.
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  Speaker 2: So they thought he was going to come in as a warrior.
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  Speaker 1: But he comes in on his war horse.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but he comes in not on a donkey but on the donkey's colt, a foal, which is an unbroken baby donkey.
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  Speaker 2: So what does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: I've never tried it, but just trying to see people get on the back of either a donkey or a horse, that is not broken.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing that gets broken is your neck.
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  Speaker 2: Be very careful, you're getting tossed from it.
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  Speaker 2: Be very careful, cares.
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  Speaker 2: Scripture says that it was not broken and they had the donkey, the mother walking alongside of it.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, there there was some sign of it being kind of calmed a little bit, that its mother was, was present.
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  Speaker 2: But you know he rides it in, there's blankets covering it and he's riding a donkey.
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  Speaker 2: Now, what kind of king rides into a town, into a city on a donkey?
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  Speaker 2: A king that's bringing peace?
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  Speaker 2: So this is all happening on Sunday they're going into Jerusalem, they have all these palms, so to back up just a second.
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  Speaker 1: So you're saying that just even what he wrote in on was a symbol, that was an incredible symbol.
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  Speaker 1: Instead of his war horse, instead of conquering, he wrote in on peace.
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  Speaker 1: You're saying I come in, peace and gentleness.
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  Speaker 2: He's coming to restore, that there's hope for people and it's not like a hope that, oh hey, we're going to be completely liberated and you know, by the end of this week we're going to be free and there's not going to be any Roman left standing.
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  Speaker 2: No, that wasn't it Completely different agenda.
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  Speaker 2: So he comes in and people are singing Hosanna, praises to God, they have palm branches and they're starting to lay those on the ground too and making the making the road level.
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  Speaker 2: Cause when Kings would come into cities, at that time too, people would remove their cloaks.
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  Speaker 2: They would remove the, they would.
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  Speaker 2: They would remove their cloaks, they would take the palms and put them on the road, because it's not like the roads here in Topeka, I was actually talking to somebody last week that wasn't from here and they said is it always like there's this much construction?
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  Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, you can blame me being from Michigan, because it's either winter construction yeah, there wasn't necessarily construction back then, but you think there's potholes here.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they would put the cloaks, they would put the palm branches on the ground to soften the hooves of the horse or the donkey or whatever was coming in the wheels of the wagons that are going in.
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  Speaker 2: So it was a way of showing submission.
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  Speaker 2: So they're celebrating Christ coming in, singing praises to him.
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  Speaker 2: Hosanna in the highest.
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  Speaker 2: That's Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Boy, what a difference a week makes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what a difference a day makes, because fast forwarding just not even 24 hours.
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  Speaker 2: You got Monday.
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  Speaker 2: What happens Monday?
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  Speaker 2: Monday, jesus goes into the temple.
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: Well, first, and we don't have to get into it.
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  Speaker 2: But we did discuss just before we started the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Jesus curses a fig tree, says you're not going to bear any more fruit.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, and I can just read that real quick the next day.
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  Speaker 2: So the day after the triumphal entry, they went out from Bethany and he was hungry.
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  Speaker 2: Seeing it in the distance, a fig tree with leaves, he went to find it out there to see if there was anything on it.
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  Speaker 2: When he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs.
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  Speaker 2: He said to it may no one ever eat fruit from you again.
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  Speaker 2: And his disciples heard it.
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  Speaker 2: So, fast forwarding a couple more verses the tree is withered, which we were discussing.
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  Speaker 2: That that is actually the last recorded miracle that Christ does, and that is the only miracle he does that is destructive.
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  Speaker 2: Everything else is restorative.
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  Speaker 2: This one, he just told a fig tree that was out of season.
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  Speaker 2: Guess what?
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  Speaker 2: You're no good, nobody's going to eat from you again.
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  Speaker 2: So that was Monday morning, but then you fast forward just a little bit, or between now and then, between his cursing and then them coming back to find the cursed fig tree.
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  Speaker 2: They go into the temple and it's not just a hey, how you doing, how's everybody doing, kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: You know people are probably looking around being like, hey, how you doing, how's everybody doing Kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: You know people are probably looking around and being like, hey, that's the guy that we just celebrated yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: And what does Jesus do?
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  Speaker 2: He makes a, he makes a whip and he starts flipping tables and he's like you've turned this place into a den of thieves.
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  Speaker 2: This is my father's house and you call this a house of prayer for all nations and he casts them out and it's like that.
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 2: So?
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  Speaker 2: What were they doing there?
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  Speaker 2: So they were selling.
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  Speaker 2: They had money changers, they had tables for people to go in and purchase doves.
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  Speaker 2: They're preparing the temple for Passover.
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  Speaker 2: So this entire week, holy Week, quote unquote they are celebrating, going through the process of celebrating Passover, the meaning of when the Lord took the Israelites out of Egypt and passed over them and you know all, the firstborn of those who did not have the blood of the lamb on their doorposts.
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  Speaker 2: If you didn't have it.
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  Speaker 2: Guess what?
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  Speaker 2: Firstborn in the family dead.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what the Passover was all about.
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  Speaker 2: So during Passover, they sacrifice the perfect lamb.
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  Speaker 2: So you kind of do that stark, that drastic difference that this is a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's it's uh be about the equivalent of you know it's Christmas, for for our culture It'd be like somebody going in the Monday before Christmas and just flipping all the the present wrapping tables all over and they're like, guess what?
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  Speaker 2: Christmas is canceled, like what you did what?
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  Speaker 2: Why would you do that?
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  Speaker 2: So Jesus goes in and he's saying you've turned this place into a den of thieves, which is a great foreshadowing of hey, you're about to sacrifice a Passover lamb.
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  Speaker 2: You don't need to do that anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I am the Passover lamb, but he was.
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  Speaker 2: You know he's not saying that, but he was making way for that to be like.
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  Speaker 2: This is obsolete.
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  Speaker 2: What I am about to do is going to complete and finish everything that has been undone.
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  Speaker 2: So while he's doing all that, and the following verse in hang on my Bible's at a really weird angle verse 18.
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  Speaker 2: So when Jesus is doing this, the chief priests and the scribes they're hearing this and they're looking for a way to kill him and they've been conniving for years because he's been in ministry for three years.
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  Speaker 2: They've been trying to find out a way to kill him, to take him out, and it's like, okay, this, now we got to do something about this because people are still astonished by his teaching.
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  Speaker 2: So evening came, they left the city, then they see the fig tree fig tree dead.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe that might have some parallels to okay, this is what it was in the past.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Lord's provision in the past.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Lord's provision for the future.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but so then, what continues on?
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  Speaker 1: Through that week?
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  Speaker 2: We went through Sunday, we went through Monday, we went through monday, so tuesday um, just looks like a lot of teaching, a lot of his final teachings.
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday uh, you have judas which, before we go there, before we go there, I wanted to highlight one of the one of the verses real quick, okay, and it's I think it's critical for us, especially here at trm, because it's what we talk about a lot.
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  Speaker 1: But during these last teachings of Jesus, these last parables, there is one point in Mark 12, starting in verse 28,.
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  Speaker 1: It says one of the scribes approached and when he heard them debating and saw that Jesus answered them, well, he asked him which command is the most important of all?
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  Speaker 1: And Jesus answered the most important is listen, israel, the Lord, our God.
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  Speaker 1: The Lord is one.
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  Speaker 1: Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.
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  Speaker 1: And the second is love your neighbor as yourself.
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  Speaker 1: There is no other command greater than these Full stop.
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  Speaker 1: I can't highlight that enough, especially reflecting here that we get this verse in the final week of Jesus ministry, as we're reflecting on it before we get there.
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  Speaker 1: And I just had to stop there because it's like this is what TRM is Love God, love others, others being everyone, every person is made in the image of God, and you know we treasure that here.
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  Speaker 1: So, anyway, I had to stop there real quick because I love that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of cool that you brought that up too, because, like one of the things that I'm working on right now and I'm almost done- I'm almost done with my schooling.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have a come May 18th I will be done with my master's degree, but right now one of the classes that that I'm working through is cross-cultural ministry and management, and one of the things this week that that's part of the discussion is the issue that sometimes we have as the Western as the Western Church when it comes to communities, and this really hit it hard for me because I'm like shoot, how many of us live in neighborhoods?
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  Speaker 2: All of us, statistically the most unneighborly people, meaning that you're not going to look out for your next door neighbor on your street.
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  Speaker 2: Statistically and this book was written in 97, things I don't think have changed because I'm guilty of it Statistically the most unneighborly people guess who?
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  Speaker 2: They are Christians, the people who are actively going to church and doing stuff in their church, are not reaching out to the person that is living right next door to them, across the street from them, two houses down from them.
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  Speaker 1: What's the hold up?
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  Speaker 1: That's a great question.
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  Speaker 2: We are supposed to love the Lord, our God, with all our heart.
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  Speaker 2: We're doing that.
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  Speaker 2: Are we doing that for our neighbors?
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so take that for whatever you want, take it for what it's worth.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: But that was convicting for me when we were going through that, through that lecture.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, actually this morning, um were going through that lecture actually this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Boy, that put things into perspective for me.
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  Speaker 2: That's really interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, doesn't matter what neighborhood you are in, be out there, be present.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, invest in your people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're there for a reason, yeah, so, yeah, okay, all right, there's the.
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  Speaker 2: There's a nice little.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a commercial break, full stop.
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  Speaker 2: So that's, that's tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, tuesday, wednesday, ish, then wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: We've all heard of judas, um, and there's also the prediction that the, the, the temple, is going to be destroyed, then rebuilt.
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  Speaker 2: Who's going to rebuild the temple in three days?
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  Speaker 2: Boy, howdy, that takes forever.
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  Speaker 2: But Judas sells out, total sellout, betrays Jesus for 30 pieces of silver.
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  Speaker 2: That's how much you would sell.
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  Speaker 2: A slave Sells out the guy that he's been with for three years for 30 pieces of silver.
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  Speaker 2: What a jerk.
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  Speaker 2: But that's what it was meant, that's what had to be done To be handed over.
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  Speaker 2: So, while this is all going on.
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  Speaker 2: Judas comes back, they have the Lord's Supper.
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  Speaker 2: So we're now on Thursday, preparation for the Passover.
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  Speaker 2: Um, this was kind of a culture shock for me.
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  Speaker 2: Um, I don't know if it's just because of the church that I grew up in.
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  Speaker 2: Um, church I grew up in the denomination is just a branch off of basically Wesleyan.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Um is just a branch off of basically wesleyan.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Um.
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  Speaker 2: When I came out here, uh, to kansas, I said these words and I've even said it here while working here at the mission, and some people look at me like I have like a feather growing out of the top of my head.
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  Speaker 2: Um, it's like what, what, how is that possible?
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  Speaker 2: Um, what, how is that possible?
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  Speaker 2: What Maundy Thursday, mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: And even when I've discussed like okay, like this week we are celebrating Maundy Thursday with some of our guests, we're going to do an Easter egg hunt for the kiddos, mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: And I've said, like Maundy Thursday, we're going to do it.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: And when I said that last year, I just kind of got some looks like huh, yeah, that was something that we would always do in my upbringing.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, at at my church in in Port Huron, michigan, um Mondi.
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  Speaker 2: Um is Latin for uh, I got to pull it up on my phone.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't want to.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's okay.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: As you as you looked that had similar, like that was something that wasn't really culturally for me.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: So the first time I heard it as well, I was like did you say Monday Thursday, monday Thursday?
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: You know, that's two separate days, right?
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Anyway, sorry, we got to relive Monday no.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it was interesting hearing that because I hadn't actually heard that term several years ago.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: So it's maundy M-A-U-N-D-Y.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: So that comes from the Latin word of mandatum, which means like you hear, mandate, commandment, so the commandment.
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  Speaker 2: What's all going on?
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  Speaker 2: On Thursday, you got the Last Supper, you got Passover.
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  Speaker 2: Jesus is giving the commandment what's all?
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  Speaker 2: Going on.
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  Speaker 2: On Thursday you got the last supper, you got Passover.
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  Speaker 2: Jesus is giving the command of what.
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  Speaker 1: Communion.
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  Speaker 2: Communion.
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  Speaker 2: This is my body, which was broken.
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  Speaker 2: For you, do this in remembrance of me.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of the last command Jesus gave his disciples before.
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  Speaker 2: But also another final commandment that he tells his disciples is to love, love, jesus.
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  Speaker 2: I can't tell if that's in Mark, I'm trying to skim it right now, sorry folks.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: He washes their feet.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, so you can see.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: See that that he's washing the disciples feet.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Um, you know, he's like do this for your people too.
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  Speaker 2: Um, nothing is below you.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: To wash somebody's feet was incredibly degrading to do.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that was the lowest of low of anybody to do anything.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: So, Jesus, their teacher, washing their feet.
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  Speaker 1: it's wild, it was basically the you know servant leadership epitomized.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so that was Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: Um, then they leave dinner, they go into the garden.
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  Speaker 2: Judas has gone and done.
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  Speaker 2: You know, jesus is like now leave and do what you're what you're about to do.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Judas is gone, going to get the guards, and everybody.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Jesus is in the garden, praying, weeping, sweating blood, and he's got his other disciples with him and he says please stay awake and pray with me.
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  Speaker 2: And what do they do?
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: They fell asleep.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: They fall asleep.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: How many of us fall asleep when we're in the middle of trauma, trials?
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Whatever it is, whether it is figuratively falling asleep or literally falling asleep, we're all guilty of it.
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  Speaker 2: But does Jesus berate them?
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  Speaker 2: No, can't you just stay awake with me for an hour?
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I am grieved to the point of death and Jesus is praying to his father, saying if there's any other way, please let it be.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: But it's your will, not mine.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so did Jesus want to die?
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: No, no, he knew it was about to happen.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Judas comes, yeah, so did Jesus want to die?
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: No, no, he knew what was about to happen.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Judas comes, betrays Jesus with a kiss and then this will.
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  Speaker 2: This is what's really wild, and we discussed this at church a couple of weeks ago, but there was a question of how many trials?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: How many trials between Thursday night into Friday morning, before the third or sixth hour when Jesus dies?
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: How many trials did Jesus go through to see if he was guilty and they put him to death?
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: How many trials?
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Wasn't it like I don't know two.
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  Speaker 2: No, it was six.
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  Speaker 1: Crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Six trials, and all within the span of a few hours, a few hours.
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  Speaker 2: How is that even?
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: How is that just?
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  Speaker 2: But the lord had a plan.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: He was scourged, he was beaten, and just kind of looking at how they depict it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: In Jewish culture or it might have been Roman culture when people were scourged it was believed that 40 lashings was death.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: So they would give one less lashing, one less lashing of death, so 39.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: What Jesus was beaten with was known as the cat of nine tails, which was a whip with nine leather strips with either pottery, clay or little pieces of metal or glass attached to it.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: 39 times.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Getting hit by that, you are turned into raw hamburger.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Or glass attached to it.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: 39 times getting hit by that, you are turned into raw hamburger.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: And the closest I think that they could get, just to depict it.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: And it's the power of Hollywood.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: But the Passion of the Christ Shoot.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I was in seventh grade when that movie came out.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: And now we're here.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: But I actually watched that scene this morning and struggled to get through it, because I counted, tried to count, how many times he was first beaten with the rods, which was 39.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Wasn't good enough.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: So then they took out the fledgling or whatever they called it, and then they beat him again 39 times.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: And then the head Centurion or guard says flip them over.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: And they beat him again until, like, the head Centurion comes in and says what are you doing?
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: You were just supposed to beat him, not kill him.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: But the way that they showed it in Hollywood, I don't even think that that did justice of how bad he looked.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Um, the scripture says that his beard is ripped out, that people would say that, oh yeah, well, you know it was probably a totally different person because, you know, the disciples didn't recognize him when he came back.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: When your brain is in trauma response, you don't recognize things that are in front of you.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: So when you have, first and foremost, your beard completely ripped out you and I both have beards.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: We know what it feels like when a child pulls on our beard.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: It doesn't feel great, no, and that's a child, and that's a child.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: And if your beard is completely ripped out of its follicles.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: There's going to be swelling.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: So Jesus has been on trial six times, has been scourged, beaten to a pulp, severe blood loss.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Then a crown of thorns is put on his head, and these weren't just, like you know, little rose thorns.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: These were thick, long, two and a half inch thorns that were beaten into his head.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: That should have killed him.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Then they gave him a cross, put a purple robe on him and if you think about that, if you put something dry and this wasn't the most hygienic time dusty, yep, so he's trudging through dust, he's trudging through dirt, he's bleeding out.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: He's got this purple robe on him.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: If you have sores that are open wounds and you have a robe or clothing that's put on it, what's going to happen?
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: It's going to clot, it's going to cling, it's going to stop the bleeding, and then they rip it off and he has to carry this rugged cross up a hill half dead and then they nail him to it.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: And if there's one thing that the Romans were really, really, really good at, it was killing their enemies.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: The cross wasn't perfected yet, but what they did and very rarely they would actually nail somebody to the cross, because if you nailed them, that meant that you had to take them down or you leave them up there for the birds to pick them.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: But scripture says that his legs weren't broken.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: No bone was broken in his body.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: But the way to die on the cross wasn't the blood loss.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: It wasn't the shame that you felt, the embarrassment when they hoisted you up on the cross, there was a hole in the ground that it would jar you.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: You'd die by suffocation.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: So all the things that Christ is saying is he is suffocating to death.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: God, forgive them, for they don't know what they're doing.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Woman, behold your son.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Son, behold your mother.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Truly, I tell you today you will be with me in paradise.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: The Son of God was a man who was acquainted with grief, beaten for our sins, fully God, and had always been in the presence of the Father, knew what it was to be in the presence of the Father.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: And what does he call out?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Elohi, elohi, lama sabachthani, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: He knew what it was like to be alone.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Because he died for all those who have and are alone.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: He suffered, he gave his spirit and he died, and that is good Friday.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: But that's not the end of the story.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: No, and why do we call it good Well?
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think they called it good then no, but we call it good now we call it good, because we know what's coming.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: We know what's coming, but there was one day in between there.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: How do you think that Saturday went for everybody?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: The perspective that I always try to take in is what was Peter thinking?
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: You know, thursday night Jesus is telling Peter you're going to deny me three times.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: And Peter's like, no, I'm not.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: And Jesus goes no, you are before the third rooster crows.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: You're going to deny me before, before the rooster crows.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: You're going to deny me three times.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: He goes, no, no, I won't.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: And then he does it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Then he did it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Jesus looks at him, doesn't say anything.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: What does he do?
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: What does scripture say?
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: He does, he runs and he weeps bitterly, a guttural feeling of absolute, I would say self-resentment, like who am I that?
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: The son of God, the son of man?
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Man told me that I'm going to deny him and I argued with him and now he's dead.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: So what's going through Peter's head?
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I can't help but think of even the any of the disciples who followed this man for three years, who believed he was the Messiah, and he's gone.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: And he's gone.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: There is silence, tension, fear, shock.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Where's the hope?
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: When's it gonna happen to us?
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: yeah, they're gonna find us mm-hmm, but they go through Saturday.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Finally after the long silence of Saturday, we get to Sunday.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: And it's really cool that who are the first people that Jesus appears to women?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Not only is he restoring what was broken, but who was the first one to eat in the temptation in the garden?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Eve Eve.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Let's restore the women first, but also in that culture culture.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: If you are a woman and there's no man that's around, you're not a viable witness to anything.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: So two women going to care for his body.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: They were also doing what needed to be done.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, they were taking care of what needed to be done for Jesus' body to honor his burial.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: They're doing what needed to be done, and then he goes here I am.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Go tell the disciples and tell Peter.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Calls Peter up by name, but John was the first one to get there.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: John got there first.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: John wrote it, you ran ahead.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Peter could have done his account, but you know we don't have a gospel of Peter, we have the gospel of John, and John puts it very clearly that I got there first.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I got there first.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I got there first, but man first.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I got there first, but man, okay.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: So we've walked through Palm Sunday, we've walked through Holy week, we've walked through the death, the long Saturday of silence and weeping and mourning, and we get to Sunday, the, I think, the epitome of what we, as believers, kind of hinge our faith on the resurrection of Jesus.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: What an amazing time to celebrate.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: And I don't know why I'm kind of hung up on Saturday because I think maybe there's listeners who are stuck in a Saturday, maybe you're stuck in a difficult Saturday and you've been in a long season of feeling like there's no hope, feeling like what do you hold on to?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: And it sounds cheesy because you've probably heard it before, but Sunday is coming and there is hope because Jesus gave us the ultimate hope in his resurrection.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: So hold on to that.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: What else can we kind of take away from this?
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Why does this matter to us today?
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I think back to Matthew you, where Jesus is coming into Jericho and everybody's so excited to see him and nobody could be as excited as one guy in particular.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: And this guy was one really bad guy, a tax collector, and not just any kind of tax collector, he was the top, he was the cream of the crop, zacchaeus, he was the chief tax collector.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: The most unliked of all the unlikable.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: If there's anybody, yeah, if there's anybody could be like you are the most unliked person in your community.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: It'd be him.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: It's him like that guy.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Look the other way if he's getting robbed like I didn't see anything.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Zacchaeus runs up, climbs a tree.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Jesus calls out to him by name and says Zacchaeus, come down from there.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Zacchaeus is repentant, says that he's going to make everything right, that he will give back four times those who he has extorted from.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: And what does Jesus say?
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: He has been restored, For the Son of man has come to seek and save the lost Mm-hmm.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: The lost Mm-hmm.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Time and time again through Scripture, through people throughout history that I have seen personally, that you think there is no way that God is doing anything in their life.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Why does this all matter?
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Because he has come to seek and save the lost.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: It's never too late.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: The thief on the cross.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: It was never too late.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Today you will join me in paradise.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: The other thing that I reflect on a lot is that in the temple there was a veil or there was a curtain that separated essentially the holy, holy place that only the top religious leaders could go into, and that veil.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: When Jesus died, that veil was torn from the top to the bottom, saying God tore that.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: That's done, that's gone.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: That separation is gone.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: It leveled the playing field and it wasn't.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: We all can come to him.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: I might be wrong in saying this, but I believe I mean it wasn't just a curtain, it wasn't just something that you know right, you could accidentally tear.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: It's like I think it was like eight inches thick of woven thread and everything, so anybody being able to tear it?
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: let alone cut it.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Good luck, yeah, you didn't just accidentally cut that, it just happened.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: No, it didn't.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, it being torn from the top down.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's done yeah, it's finished.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: The finished work it's done so it just.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: It extends the hope of where is hope?
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Here is hope.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: No matter how dark it seems, no matter how desperate you may feel, how dead you may feel, resurrection is possible.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Those who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will cleanse us of all unrighteousness, forgive us of our sins and cleanse us of all unrighteousness While we were still his enemy.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: He died for us.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Folks, whatever that looks like, if you're celebrating Good Friday, if you are celebrating the resurrection, or if you are caught in between on Holy Saturday, the darkness, the silence, please know that we at the Topeka Rescue Mission, we are here for you.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: We are here with you.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: We are here for you.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: We are here with you and we want to invite you to engage with us, whether it is through volunteering, whether it is through prayer, whether it is through support, whatever that looks like.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Reach out to us and know that you are not alone.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: The big thing of what is so important for redemption is connection.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't do it alone.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I'm an introvert.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I love to be alone.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Same but there's something about community and doing things together.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: There's something about community and doing things together.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: We weren't meant to be alone, so that's my final charge.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: You may think that everything is in utter chaos, utter disaster, just death, destruction, but there is hope and the hope is Jesus.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: We believe that he is the one who has sent us to bring that hope to, to profess his hope.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: So if you want to get involved, reach out to us trmonlineorg, reach out to us on our Facebook.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: We just thank you for this time that you've been able to sit with us, listen to Josh's heart, to my heart, and just be able to hear the good news that is in Jesus Christ and that it is Friday but Sunday's coming.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Yep, amen, man.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I just want to echo that.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, man.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I just want to encourage people to, as Mike said, be a good neighbor.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Reach out to you.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Reach out to your neighbor today and as you continue to go through this week, as we get to Easter.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: You know, just love the people around you and love the Lord, as he's commanded us.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: As Mike said, if you want more information, you can visit trmonlineorg.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: We'd love to connect with you and just have a wonderful rest of your week, thank you.