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Within The Stone - Knife of Dreams chapter 21 - EP495 · WoT Spoilers

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  This is the Wheel of Time Spoilers podcast. Well, yeah, so we're
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  digging into within the Stone chapter twenty one. Our symbol is the Well,
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  we give it a lot of names in this chapter, don't we. The
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  ancient symbol of the is said I the dragon banner. There's another name that
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  I'm blanking on right now because it'll have it in front of me, the
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  banner of light, the banner of light. Thank you, yep that one,
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  And he goes even says, which is confusing because there's another dragon.
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  There's another banner called the banner of the Dragon. It's like, yes,
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  thank you Jordan for acknowledging you double dipped on that one. I think it's
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  also part of how legends fade to myth. There's a double vision and confusion
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  of names right from the get go. Do you expect it to make sense
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  a thousand years later? Right? Right? And what I love too,
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  there's a moment with the dragon where they give it wings. Uh huh,
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  yeah, the dragon we all know and love comes into existence as this bizarre
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  camera of things that are happening in the moment, and Randa's like, that
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  is so silly. That is the weirdest thing. I've ever seen, and
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  we're all doing like the Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at the TV meme, Right,
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  but that's the dragon. That's what dragons are, right right, all right,
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  I'll read this in crash comes from Yeah I heard that, Like,
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  what's going on? Are we? Okay timbers running to investigate, so we'll
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  find out. Okay, okay, okay, cool? Good because that was
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  like glass or something. Yeah, Like what I'm what I'm guessing is that
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  she was pulling out a bowl and there's a glass bowl inside a metal bowl,
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  and she tried to pull out one and they both kind of came out.
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  But it's a low cabinet, so it probably fell from a low cabinet
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  to a low floor. That very loud, but not a problem. Exactly
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  exactly within the stone, the mud of the outer city gave way to paved
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  streets at the walls of Tier, where the first thing Ran noticed was the
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  absence of guards. Despite the lofty stone ramparts with their towers, the city
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  was less defended than Steadying Shangtai, where he and every other human had been
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  gently but firmly refused entrance at first light. Here, the Archer's balconies on
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  the towers were empty. The iron strapped door of the squat gray guardhouse just
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  inside the broad gate stood wide open, and a hard faced woman in rough
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  woolens, her sleeves shoved up her thin arms, sat there at a wooden
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  tub, scrubbing clothes with a washboard. She appeared to have taken up residents.
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  Two small, grubby children, sucking their thumbs, stared wide eyed past
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  her at him and his companions at their horses. At least Titashar was a
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  sight to stare at a sleek black stallion with a massive chest, a horse
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  that drew attention. Yet he had chosen to ride the animal anyway. If
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  the forsaken could find him as easily as they had at Algarin's manor house,
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  there was little point to hiding, or at least to putting too much effort
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  into it. He wore black riding gloves to conceal the dragon's heads on his
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  hands, and the herons branded into his palms. His coat was dark gray
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  wool without a stitch of embroidery, The stallion's saddlecloth simple, and his swords
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  hilt and scabbard had been covered in unworked bore hide ever since it came into
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  his possession. Nothing to pull a second glance. Cod Swain an unadorned gray
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  wool were the hood of her dark green cloak well up to shield her eyesidye
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  face, But men Ninive and Olivia had no need for hiding. Though Min's
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  flower embroidered red coat and snug breeches might attract a little notice, not to
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  mention her healed red bootze. He had seen women and Kyrie and wearing clothes
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  like that copying her, Yet it seemed unlikely that her fashion had spread to
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  tear or a modesty held sway in public at least, and Ninive was wearing
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  yellow slash, blue silk and Oliver jewelry, just partially concealed by her blue
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  cloak, but tear would be full of silks. She had wanted to wear
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  her shawl that was in her saddle bags, though a little effort only Okay,
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  I got to stop there. That's that is a long reading for that
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  paragraph was a lot of This is a flowery descriptive chapter, and I like
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  it quite a bit. It's a lot to read. Yeah, yeah,
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  and I'd say that that is yeah, broadly accurate for this whole chapter.
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  This chapter is very flowery and ornate and dense in its pros. We are
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  looking at Tier in high fidelity, granular detail, and it's lovely, beautiful,
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  excellent. Why we come back to this world and over again is because
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  the details are extremely high fidelity. This is one of those chapters so that
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  reading and how you feel about it is kind of hyphe about the whole chapters
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  just we're just chugging along, just having a grand ole time. Nothing really
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  happens, but it's just so dense with the nothing. It's what makes the
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  world three D is we get to take a stroll through Tier, and we
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  get to see how it's been, what's happened to it since the last time
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  Rand was here. Right, it's been a while, right, Rand has
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  sort of abandoned it, He's left it in Darlane's stewardship to borrow a term.
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  Yeah, and I mean something does happen, obviously, you know,
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  like we actually have the whole King Darlin thing at the end. Obviously that's
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  a thing that happens, but it feels very just buried in amongst all the
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  detail rather than like the big standout event, because yeah, this is him
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  traveling into and then having a meeting. That's the events, right. He
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  walks into the stable and then makes a gateway. We'll talk about exactly how
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  he can make that gateway, travels into the throne room and has a conversation
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  and gets some treaties back. Some people were negotiating a treaty and they came
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  back with the signatures. Yeah. RJ took what is fundamentally a very bureaucratic
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  side quest and made it into one of these spaces where, yeah, the
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  world is just suddenly three D, super super super three D, and it's
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  very fun. One thing that I noted in that reading is it seemed unlikely
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  that men's fashion had spread to tear. We learned later in the chapter it
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  absolutely has like rand you know nothing. You know nothing about how fashion moves.
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  You might kind of sort of know a little bit about how bad news
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  moves, or how armies communicate over long distances. You do not understand fashion,
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  not in the slightest. The next thing we see sort of after that
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  introduction, right, which is everybody walking on scene, is the steam wagon.
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  Yeah, the horseless carriage, the beginning of trains. I would say
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  that the other thing this chapter has in it is some payoffs, right,
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  like, yes, yeah, it has some payoffs from some setups earlier on
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  in the series. And here we see what I call almost a half payoff
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  with the wagons, right, like, oh, they've traveled one hundred and
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  fifty miles a day towing what fIF there's eight of them. They totaled like
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  fifty wagons each. So they were towing like ten to twelve wagons each.
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  Right, so you basically have a train of these things. You have trains
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  that's traveling over land, a prototype train. Yeah, it changes everything,
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  right, yeah, but only we know that. It's just buried in there
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  as this little throwaway detail of this tiny, little like eight tier subplot about
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  this inventor. And clearly this isn't the end of the road for like what
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  he's doing with that, This isn't the real payoff. It's just so by
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  the bye and yet and yet, and yet it's really cool detail. This
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  is a momentous moment, it's very important, and it's yeah, just very
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  richly delivered in this really understated way. But yes, you're right, this
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  is a chapter of payoff in a way that's just satisfying without being explosive.
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  Yeah, yeah, it's satisfying. It's not exciting, it's satisfying. Those
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  are two different kinds of good things. Yeah, I got Yeah, I
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  feel like I ate a big meal when I got to the end of this
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  chapter, you know, like I was like, Okay, yeah, that
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  was that was tasty, Like I enjoyed that, but okay, a little
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  too much there, right, Like maybe the detail added a lot of fiber.
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  There's a lot of fiber in this chapter, and I just hope it
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  doesn't get impacted. And in this case, the fiber is diamond eyed golden
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  animals interacting in various ways, Like how many different freaking instances of these weird
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  animal figurines with ruby eyes do we have to get like rand melted one way
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  back in the early books, Okay, and then there's like a zillion of
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  them on the walk through the Stone, like literally a zillion. I counted,
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  there are exactly one zillion. Tear must just loves their figurines, right,
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  like it's a Tyran thing. It's like a thing that they do.
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  It's like there's the rug pattern that they have a Tyrann mazes, and then
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  these weird figurines with precious stones for eyes that there's just a very specifically tyrann
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  cultural export. It's an esthetic, yeah, or not even an export,
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  it's just a thing they do at home because I know what words mean,
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  and I care about consistently using words, unlike most of the people in the
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  scoddamn world. So after the whistle, you know, there's a bit of
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  a piercing whistle right that he hears, and then that scares the pigeons into
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  flight, and we get the severe in flack flack frack whack. Right,
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  all the pigeons fly into each other. He's tavereating hard. So the two
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  flocks one to one kao each other, right. Weird that they would be
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  exactly matched. That the that the I guess it's one flock splits into exactly
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  two halves and flies into itself. Very strange. I would be willing to
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  bet it's more like two distinct flocks. It's very strange that they're exactly the
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  same size flock because he says every bird falls and that means that every bird
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  had to collide with another bird, and it's like that's highly unlikely. Yes,
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  yeah, tavering go that far, I'm gonna draw the line at the
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  flocks being the same number. I'm not, I'm not. I mean flocks
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  being the same number, every bird having a pair, every bird hitting a
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  pair, every bird hitting a single other pair. They're both falling out of
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  the sky simultaneously. It's just this, It's I kind of imagine it like
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  these two totally chaotic thing waves meeting and one hundred percent canceling each other out.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, like the inverse of a rogue wave. Exactly
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  right. And so again, what are we riding here. We're writing waves
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  of proper, waves of probability. We're writing probability waves. So you have
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  these weird patterns, and sometimes the patterns cancel each other out. And this
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  to me is a physical manestation of like a dead spot in a room.
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  Yeah yeah, yeah. For whatever reason, he's just really warping the weft
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  of the pattern hard right now, and tavere And has got to try to
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  balance that shit out. I kind of think of it that like, basically,
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  he needs things to align for him right now before the pattern. So
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  his tevereness is reaching out incredibly far to make long reaching, big, significant
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  changes, but because so many things are changing far away from him, he's
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  balanced by all these unlikely things happening further in right, exactly, because this
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  is weird shit that doesn't need to happen unless it's counterbalanced for something else or
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  a manifestation of the pattern falling apart. Obviously we have that as a factor
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  too. But though Land is one with the dragon, he could be using
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  Tavern to counterbalance the dark one even now, you know, I mean he
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  does it deliberately later, but you know, but don't forget, things really
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  change when he goes onto the mountaintop, right, because that's when he really
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  does become the counterbalance. That's when he's able to do good things deliberately,
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  because he can be the counterbalance to the dark one doing bad things deliberately,
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  and he's sort of the balance of free will. But until he goes up
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  onto the mountain, I don't know if he's doing any of that. I
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  think he is just pushing and pulling in equal ways. Do you think that
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  this is just because of the thing you said before? I mean, of
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  course I do. I think I'm right, No, and I couldn't possibly
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  be wrong or mistaken. Okay, that's valid. That's that's really good logic.
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  Uh huh. Bow to your manly wisdom. Thank you. Thank you.
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  I man explained it and you listened, and I don't think we need
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  to discuss it any further. I think that's what this podcast is all about,
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  by the power of being tranquilized by what we're talking about. So I
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  guess you can have your way. Well thanks, Yeah, okay, pigeons
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  hitting each other, pigeons and the nobles ringing the pigeons next, right along
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  with the peasants. Everyone's like free pigeons, yes, and they're just going
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  for it. So that's great. Bad day to be a pigeon. I
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  mean, hunger is a problem. Yeah, hunger is a problem in the
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  city. It is, it is, and pigeons are good food. They
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  are sky rats, sky rabbits. Are you aware that they were domes?
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  They're basically wild domestic they're feral, which is yes, they were domesticated and
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  they've been let go. Yeah, well, I think ferrel implies they've reverted
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  back to a wild state, which I don't believe pigeons have for doves,
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  which are the same thing. Well, I mean you can have like feral
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  cats are still feeless domestics, right right, So I think, yes,
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  yeah, I believe pigeons are a feral bird population. Huh. I'm actually
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  not sure if I knew that. I feel like I know some weird pigeon
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  facts, but I don't know if I knew that one. But right,
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  we domesticated pigeons. We use them as food, we use them as messenger
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  birds, obviously specific kinds. But like they were pets, and like then
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  we stopped keeping them as pets and let them go and they thrive, they
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  like keep surviving in the wild. But it's a domesticated species. You know,
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  Nikola Tesla was in love with a pigeon, He had a lifelong pigeon
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  friend. Yes, I did know that, And you know, I grew
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  up with birds. Right. At one point in my life I counted I
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  had thirteen parrots living in my house. Wow, that's a lot of parrots.
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  It's a lot of fucking parrot. It's like forsaken parrots, like well,
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  you know. And the fact that none of those parrots my parents still
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  don't own any of those parents should tell you something about how good they were
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  about taking care of them. Some of them they gave away, some of
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  them died, some of them got old. Very few of them managed to
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  get old. It's hard to take care of parrots like they are. And
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  they're not good birds. They're wild animals, they're not domesticated in any way.
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  But yeah, they are brilliant. They're too fucking smart. The birds
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  would say my name when I walked in the room. The birds that like
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  me would get excited, the birds that didn't like me would go away.
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  They could listen to verbal commands like a dog does. They could string two
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  words together to make a request. I mean, birds are smart, and
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  I understand parrots are generally smarter than other birds, but even a little more.
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  You're smart. Birds are smart like and birds are also dinosaurs, right,
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  yeah, yeah, the part where I'm really into paleontology videos among other
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  things on YouTube, and they're really good about saying the extinction of the non
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  avian dinosaurs. Now it's a really consistent thing, like with the channels I
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  followed, They're very good about saying that, and it's just doing the necessary
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  things to my subconscious and making me like more delighted and creeped out and fascinated
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  by and horrified by birds just like dinosaurs. Like dinosaurs, the dinosaurs.
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  I literally have one tattooed on my body dinosaur. Ah dinosaurs, so cool,
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  so weird, so cool. Yeah. My mom occasionally will go through
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  a phase of really wanting to get a pet and then going on a big
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  research bender to determine that she is not in fact qualified to take care of
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  said pet and like burn the enthusiasm on research instead of you know, getting
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  a pet. And she went through a whole bird phase last year of like
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  cycling through all these different kinds of birds that people keep as pets and learning
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  why that's not great because they're super smart and this is really bad for them
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  and that's really bad for them, and this is terrible and oh my god,
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  they're so smart and like yeah, yeah, the whole pet bird thing
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  is like, just make friends with some backyard chickens, man, Like,
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  just have some backyard chickens and like have a dynamic farm relationship with birds.
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  Don't have caged birds maybe, I guess, or just watch wild birds.
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  I don't know. I live in a very birdy area, so I have
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  lots of birds to look at and it's very awesome. Don't have to do
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  anything, they just fly by. It's great. So the whole point of
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  them picking up the birds is there's a lot of hunger in the city,
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  and Men has visions basically that a bunch of these people are going to die
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  of starvation, which means it's not just maybe they will die of starvation,
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  which kind of sucks. Yeah, It's one of those unfortunate things about conflict
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  is how many people die from not the direct violent conflict that you imagine,
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  and how many of them die of illness and hunger as knock on effects from
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  the violence. And it's not necessarily something that I saw in the final three
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  books. I feel like Tyr did just fine. I don't remember it being
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  starvation being such a big deal in the city. I was wondering about that
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  because I was like, this feels like foreshadowing for Era Doomon, but we
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  never circle back to Tyr like we circled back to Era Doomon. So yeah,
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  I just I wanted to ask you about that. I was like,
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  am I missing something? Is there a point here where Tier is just or
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  is it just now where people are gonna die within the next week or two
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  because it's hard to get food there, and like they are out of food
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  now, and so it doesn't take that long for you know what, three
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  meals and people start starving well, I mean, I feel like they're not
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  on that level of a precipice. It's just, you know, the war
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  of attrition is going on both sides of the siege, and one side is
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  doing far worse than the others. But yeah, I I don't know.
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  Does he get food brought in from somewhere else? No, he breaks the
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  siege. That's what happens the whole naming Darlin King breaks the siege. That's
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  the point. And then and then it's all moot. All the food he's
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  been trying to bring in is able to get brought in. After that,
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  then why do these people still die of hunger? As it just doesn't happen
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  fast enough? Oh maybe maybe. I mean there's there's still a month between
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  now and the last battle. That's time for people to starve. Later,
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  just saying like the last battle itself takes a very long time, depending on
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  through the Yeah, exactly in Tyr, I believe Tyr and and Or are
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  experiencing like almost a year's worth of war, where Rand's experiencing, you know,
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  an afternoon. So there are definite there's there's time, there's time to
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  kill these people by hunker God, that is a blique sentence, even if
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  the world wasn't the way it is right now and so and Rand basically thinks,
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  hey, you know, I'm not hiding anymore, right, they found
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  me in this obscure manner in the middle of the woods. I got surrounded.
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  Clearly the foresaken can find me. And I think that is flawed logic,
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  right, because I think Tame is the one who sent the traulis and
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  he probably found him through more mundane means. Well, Rand is not taking
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  into account the Tame could possibly have anything but the best of intentions. Right,
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  that's true, that's true. He built the tower for me. Why
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  would he do that if he's a dark friend? I'll gee, I can't
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  imagine why he would build a tower of men dedicated mostly to him. Yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, But he is, you know, avoiding the fanfare
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  and the pomp and circumstance of like announcing himself and having his hands be bare.
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  You know, he's trying to go enough incognito that he can move through
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  the civilian population without attracting notice. And then Lewis Thearan's like, how can
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  I hide? I'm tavere in, right, And so I think in this
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  chapter in particular, we're seeing a moment where Lewis Darren really is the sane
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  one and Rand really is insane. That we've seen a switch, and again
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  I think it happened when with my hands, my hands. I think that's
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  why it's such an important moment. Yeah, yeah, I was in really
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  noticing that tonal shift a lot in this chapter, Like the blurriness between them
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  is indecipherable. Who's who. Yeah, the man who was insane took over
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  and sees control of the power. And now that person is in control.
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  Yeah, and I don't think Rand realizes it. He's completely insane. And
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  now the sane person is the voice in the back of his head. Right.
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  I think the moment that we've always feared has happened. Right. I
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  really think he switched, And I really do think that this is like why
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  he's super he's nuts, He's completely nuts, right, and then that sane
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  little voice in the back of his head is what goes completely silent during the
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  whole samarag Min thing mm hmmm, and he's like, oh, now I'm
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  completely fucked up and now I'm completely like the sane voice is gone, Like
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  yeah he is. Now Like we've we've got the sane voice is the one
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  in the back of the head, and that is what we lose when the
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  last that could be done occurs. I love this. I haven't really put
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  this together that I was like, why does why does Lewis thearn go away
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  again? And I love that the theory that it's not Lewis then anymore,
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  that's Rand who's going away? Yeah, that we are living with Lewis there
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  and right now, who's you know, reflexively calling himself Rand because that's part
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  of the insanity is to believe that he is Rand. That's part of how
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  he's insane. But uh, yeah, it's a lie. It's very convoluted.
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  I think only Archie understood how convoluted it truly was, and it's up
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  to us to muddle along as best we can. Well, the other thing
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  is he's very much touching Morgan, right, and I think some of his
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  anger is Morgan's anger. Yeah, And what is more than mad about I
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  think, well, I think he's aware that Rand's seizing the power, and
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  he's aware they're linked and that's pissing him off. Very very circular. Yes,
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  so Rand's behavior is triggering the anger. But like in this very weird
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  circuitous way. Yead, he's got so many different people in his head.
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  He really does, so he thinks about having maidens's guards. Basically, they're
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  back. He owes them, which I don't know why he can do it
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  sometimes and not others. But whatever, they were gone for books and books.
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  Now they're back. It's very frustrating for him to be like, well,
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  I'm the only son of a maiden to ever return, so I have
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  obligations to meet. I'm like you since when, Yeah, you have ignored
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  this so much. I guess I guess those beatings finally sank in, Like,
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  I don't think that's what it is. That's not what it is.
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  But they didn't, right because he immediately left them for books. Right,
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  this is just him. I mean, you know, a couple a month
• 23:40
  or two. But still, Yeah, they're pissed at him. It's very
• 23:42
  weird. They're very pissed at him. His internal logic is very inconsistent,
• 23:48
  and that is one of my least favorite things in the entire world, is
• 23:51
  internal inconsistencies. And the next bit is details about the steam wagon. It's
• 23:56
  a train. It's a train, but not with tracks, but it's basically
• 23:59
  a training because it's steam powered. There were six of them. They pulled
• 24:03
  fifty wagons, and they covered more than one hundred miles a day, which
• 24:07
  is kind of incredible if you can think, like if you think that,
• 24:10
  like people on horseback can maybe cover twenty and if cover twenty miles a day,
• 24:14
  forty if they're going insane, but they you know, probably won't last
• 24:18
  very long. They tripled that. Yeah, with basically the first workable prototype.
• 24:23
  I mean we're still in like the first generation of these things, and
• 24:26
  we're past the single prototype phase, but like we're still in the first generation
• 24:32
  of these that's an incredible scaling up. And I love Rand's thought of like,
• 24:37
  well, merchants are conservative, they won't be into this and loose there
• 24:41
  and just starts fucking laughing, and it's like that's us. That's us in
• 24:45
  the world where actual trains and trucks exist, just being like Rand, Rand,
• 24:48
  you're silly man, you silly, silly boy. Marchants will jump on
• 24:52
  this so fast. We will have trains running everywhere. Every Your entire economy
• 24:57
  will be run by trains, and try whole generations of children are going to
• 25:02
  have brain damage from the amount of soot that gets belched out over their neighborhoods
• 25:06
  because of how much shy Okay, yeah, there's just a lot of Lewis
• 25:12
  Thearren because he's the sane one. Now he's like, hey, you've got
• 25:17
  problems. I've been in a modern society. I know how to fix those.
• 25:21
  Oh, you're having problems with unemployment. You know what you could do.
• 25:25
  You could tax the rich and reinvest that money into a jobs program that
• 25:29
  could get them food, and that would give them jobs and then you wouldn't
• 25:33
  have unemployed. And Rand's like, shut the fuck up, the insane man.
• 25:37
  That is literal insane gibberish. Yeah, yeah, I love it so
• 25:41
  much. I loose Thearan is becoming a more likable character at this point.
• 25:45
  Well, he's a much more sane character. He's not the insane voice in
• 25:48
  Rand's head. He's not the insanity that Rand has created him to. He's
• 25:52
  they switch. This is the last bastion of sanity in Rand's head. Is
• 25:56
  Lewis theron? Now that's I love that theory, and I'm sticking to it
• 26:00
  and going on about sensible civic policy. I adore that, and Ran the
• 26:06
  Insane Man being like, that's why is this insane man, keep bugging me
• 26:10
  about civil policy. What the like, what does that even mean? Yeah,
• 26:14
  like what does like what does fiduciary responsibilitys responsibility mean? And why are
• 26:21
  we talking about ethics? What does that happen? Yeah, los, just
• 26:23
  like this is like economics one oh one, This is geography one oh one,
• 26:29
  Like, come on, come on. At some point, RAN's like
• 26:32
  I tried to help the peasants by passing a law, but I don't know
• 26:33
  what to do, and louistarans in the background, going bill fucking rights.
• 26:38
  Come on, man, we went over this. Come on. Yeah,
• 26:42
  right, there's probably also headdsking over like how the mighty have fallen? We
• 26:48
  used to have like the most utopia utopia that ever utopia but absolutely zero problems
• 26:55
  hashtag definitely no problems, And now we're back to this, like we have
• 27:00
  to rebuild from so much, you know, like he's head dusking so hard
• 27:03
  in his you know, like professors because you know, he was like professor
• 27:07
  of something something. Oh yeah, human name exactly exactly some bullshit and he's
• 27:12
  just like all my doctor, Like I thought that some basic civilized human principles
• 27:18
  would carry through no matter how bad the war's got and they've forgotten everything.
• 27:22
  Oh my god. You know, like that's that's what I imagine Loose Thearin
• 27:26
  doing, like behind the scenes, when he's not actively talking to Randa's just
• 27:30
  head desking over how much was lost. I imagine him writing books or something
• 27:36
  like guidelines, like sitting down and like after the last battle, I think
• 27:40
  that would be a thing for him to do, is like record knowledge Rand,
• 27:45
  sure, Grandpa, the means of production, whatever sees it, sees
• 27:52
  it well you can, yeah, yeah, basically, But have you considered
• 27:57
  new communism? Yeah no, it's uh yeah, it's got to be really
• 28:03
  weird for Lous to be getting clearer and clearer focus out of Rand's eyes and
• 28:08
  understanding what the world is like compared to what he thinks should be happening.
• 28:12
  Like, that's got to be a weirder and weirder thing for him as he
• 28:15
  gets more and more control, you know, then we get the seeds of
• 28:21
  the weird little story with no payoff about Donnie and Calm, Yeah, I
• 28:26
  mean I really wanted to see them in the last battle, you know,
• 28:30
  I really really really wanted to see them heroically jumping on a grenade in their
• 28:33
  Little Boy uniforms that that's what Min saw was them like dying in uniform in
• 28:38
  the last battle, and she couldn't see how it was possible until Rand mentioned
• 28:42
  it, and then she's like, Ah, that's how it's going to happen.
• 28:45
  And then we got a cool scene that broke our hearts and no,
• 28:48
  no, we got to leave that to the thick writers. This is man
• 28:51
  seeing the future and Rand not being able to do anything about it. It's
• 28:53
  the inevitability of the future that in some ways he is strapped to again because
• 29:00
  his hope is that he can survive, right, but men's visions seem to
• 29:07
  promise he will die at the same time he has to die to live,
• 29:11
  so he needs men's visions to be true, but at the same time he
• 29:12
  hopes they're not, so that he can't like it's this weird, convoluted mess
• 29:18
  of like and Min keeps being like, oh, but I was wrong about
• 29:22
  Moraine, and He's like, stop saying that, Like that really that that
• 29:26
  breaks Ever, if you're wrong about that, you'd be wrong about other things.
• 29:30
  And then I can't depend on your visions, So I'm just going to
• 29:33
  ignore that and pretend I don't need Moraine very unscientific, which is why Matt's
• 29:40
  boast of I rescued Moraine is so effective. Yeah. I hadn't even thought
• 29:45
  of that layer. You needed her. It was a prophecy that you had
• 29:51
  to have her to win the last battle. If I hadn't done it,
• 29:52
  everything else you did would go would be moot. I rescued Moraine. I
• 29:57
  saved you. That was men's vision, and that I'm fixed half the light
• 30:03
  of the world to save the world. I gave up my fucking eye for
• 30:06
  your goddamn career, right right, You owe me a hell of a nice
• 30:11
  watch, hopefully one without any parallax needed. Yeah, he had no left
• 30:21
  room, no room left in him for sorrow right where just Rand is nuts.
• 30:25
  Rand has no empathy, no sorrow. People are just gonna die,
• 30:29
  and he's like, well, yep, that's what's gonna happen. It's the
• 30:30
  last battle. He's dissociating and compartmentalizing in the worst way. He's disconnecting from
• 30:40
  everything that makes humanity worth engaging with. And that's, as Kat Swayne points
• 30:45
  out, indirectly not going to work. The next big chunk is literally them
• 30:51
  walking through the city. I had almost no highlights other than we see some
• 30:55
  severingness going on in the crowd, but he kind of points that out in
• 30:59
  very explicit terms, So there's not a lot to talk about there. Yeah,
• 31:03
  I yeah. The only thing that I thought was really particularly interesting was
• 31:08
  that the city is under siege. The besiegers are bored. Tier has lots
• 31:15
  of commerce and thus lots of different people in it, and that, you
• 31:18
  know, allows them to pass more easily through the city. I also wanted
• 31:23
  to ask is marches a unit of measure context, because it says the his
• 31:32
  destination is the stunt, a tier covering at least eight or nine marches a
• 31:37
  good square mile or more. The fuck is a march? What? What
• 31:41
  is a march? I've never heard that unit of measure, and it seems
• 31:45
  it seems like that's how it's being used in context. It's like equivalent to
• 31:49
  a square mile or more. But it's just a weird Arjaeism. Let me
• 31:56
  look it up. Religion no left room for so that all goes into the
• 32:00
  right room. I mean, a march unit is a subdivision of a march
• 32:07
  serial, but that seems like a measurement of troop size. There's a screenshot
• 32:13
  in chat from the Wattwiki fandom that equivocates a hide, a rope, and
• 32:23
  a march as being things that can can go together. Photos are decided not
• 32:30
  to love for me today, Thank you very much. Photos. Yeah,
• 32:32
  nice work, discord great. Yeah, one hide equals ten thousand square paces.
• 32:37
  One rope equals one hundred thousand square paces. One march equals a quarter
• 32:45
  of a mile. One square mile equals four hundred hides. But that's just
• 32:51
  self referencing to the wheel of time universe. So it's cool someone figured that
• 32:53
  out. But that's just in world units, that's not real world units.
• 32:59
  But I could see if if a march was a unit of troops or march
• 33:01
  would be about the size of like how big of a space did they take
• 33:05
  up if they're all standing together right right? My first thought was like,
• 33:08
  so many marches on the field of Mars or something, you know, like
• 33:13
  yeah, seeing troops from above as squares, being like, well, that's
• 33:16
  a unit to send down the the promenade the street promenade anyway, not a
• 33:24
  particularly important question. Just yeah, there's not a lot to talk about other
• 33:30
  than really obvious RJ pros about the city and Tavere and and how all that
• 33:34
  works. So I was just like, I found a question. Yeah,
• 33:36
  but it's it's whatever, it's a unit. Yeah. The only note I'd
• 33:39
  say there is that Randa saying, you know, oh, I see balance
• 33:44
  now as an ill to balance every good instead of a good to balance every
• 33:46
  ill. Right, He's you know, it's basically the classic I'm a pessimist
• 33:51
  now the glass is half empty instead of half full. Yeah yeah, yeah,
• 33:53
  yeah, exactly. It's literally just him and men being glass half full,
• 33:58
  glass half empty kind of and discussing that in plain terms. He likes
• 34:05
  that Darlin is flaunting his allegiance with the banners that he has up right right,
• 34:09
  and he can feel Alana and is like, all right, all I
• 34:13
  have to do is get to Alana and then I'll be able to talk to
• 34:15
  Darlin. She'll know that I'm in the city. She's already heading there,
• 34:19
  like it's all it's all going to plan. And we reiterate that the bond
• 34:23
  of Falana isn't very strong since he bonded the other three, Like it's just
• 34:27
  like sort of an external intrusion. It's clearly not part of him is the
• 34:30
  same way, Yeah, which is nice. I like that. I like
• 34:34
  that the relationships he chose are able to push the ones he didn't choose to
• 34:37
  the back of the line. And then he has like he's walking in he
• 34:39
  has the thought that they couldn't stop me. He could sweep aside a few
• 34:44
  hundred men like so many moths. I'm like, dude, these are your
• 34:47
  allies, your sworn troops. You should not be thinking about sweeping them aside,
• 34:52
  like you know, just killing them randomly like that. He's just She's
• 34:54
  totally nuts. He's randomly interested. Thought is I could kill everybody here.
• 34:59
  Well, I totally could. Actually, his sworn troops they're the besiegers,
• 35:04
  and his sworn troops are the besieges, so technically they're the enemy, but
• 35:08
  also he wants the siege to end so that way they can become a unified
• 35:13
  army that is all behind him. So they're people he wants to make his
• 35:19
  followers. Oh okay, I guess I miss the fact that there's a bunch
• 35:22
  of besiegers just hanging out in the city right like outside the Stone. That
• 35:25
  is my understanding is that the Stone is besieged and the city has been left
• 35:30
  to fend for itself. But because it's tyrants besieging tyrants. They're leaving the
• 35:35
  city more or less alone, because you know, it's the tyrant people and
• 35:39
  the city's not like fighting back or anything, and they're just like going about
• 35:43
  business as usual. The tyrants. Yeah, it's it's the high lords having
• 35:47
  a you know, fistfight with each other. As far as I understand that
• 35:51
  the siege is happening on the Stone, and it's a waiting game because it's
• 35:54
  the Stone, all you can do is deny them the right to leave,
• 36:00
  otherwise they're going to be fine. Right, that's my understanding of how the
• 36:04
  series i've had the siege works. But nonetheless, to your point, he
• 36:08
  looks at hundreds of men who he is shortly going to have in his army
• 36:13
  if all goes according to plan, and thinks or I could kill them all
• 36:16
  real casual, like to be a slightly more convenient way into into the Stone
• 36:22
  itself. And it's like that is a very disproportionate response on his That's a
• 36:30
  super above and beyond self defense, one might say. And here's where we
• 36:35
  get the dragon banner creature, the sign out front right with the dragon with
• 36:39
  wings. The artist had decided the thing was inadequate as described. I just
• 36:45
  love that way of saying it so much. Long sharp teeth, teeth and
• 36:52
  leathery rib wings. Interesting that the dragon banner doesn't have teeth. It's much
• 36:54
  more of like a puppy face. Yeah, our closed mouth anyway. Yeah,
• 37:00
  right right, And so they're basically going into this inn because they want
• 37:02
  to take a room and make a gateway and go through it. Yeah,
• 37:07
  and that's going to lead the innkeeper very confused when she goes up and there's
• 37:09
  nobody in there, but she didn't see them come down. It's a man.
• 37:13
  But yes, it's uh yeah, gonna be very weird to be like,
• 37:15
  well, they made a really big deal about needing this room and then
• 37:19
  just it's absolutely silent, and then you go in there eventually because you're wondering
• 37:22
  if they need something or if they're all dead, and then there's just nobody
• 37:25
  there, like what the fuck? Like weirdest customer ever. Yeah, I
• 37:30
  only need it for an hour or a few minutes, really, like we're
• 37:32
  only going to be in there for a little while, Like I just need
• 37:35
  a private space with this. Me and my group of friends only need this
• 37:38
  private space for a few minutes, okay, And I'm gonna have to clean
• 37:42
  up what afterwards? Right right? Yeah, it's very weird and like I
• 37:46
  totally get like why all the women are like excuse me, But also like
• 37:51
  what was that innkeeper supposed to think? Right, Like seriously though, like
• 37:55
  what was he supposed to think? Well, once I saw I said aye,
• 37:59
  he went oh, oh sure, sure, yeah, I mean yes,
• 38:01
  once once you pull out the isidye card, it's like, well,
• 38:05
  that's probably not about But the funny thing is that, like rand is technically
• 38:07
  an isid eye, so you know, that's extra funny. The other really
• 38:13
  fun thing here in the in common room is the Sharen. Yeah. I
• 38:19
  was gonna ask you, you think definitely Sharon, without a doubt, without
• 38:22
  a doubt. He's got a weird musical accent. He's wearing very strangely cut
• 38:28
  clothes, and he's talking about selling silk, which everyone knows only comes from
• 38:36
  the lands beyond the Aeel waste. Everybody knows that. And he's saying he
• 38:39
  has the worms that makes silk in an accent that is immediately followed up by
• 38:46
  a shan Chan accent, so we know that their different accents. That's absolutely
• 38:52
  a Sharon. I agree, I just I wanted to hear what you thought.
• 38:57
  Yeah, yeah, I've never questioned that it was a shark. It's
• 39:00
  absolutely a shark. And I love the fact that Rand and a random passer
• 39:04
  by are like everyone knows silk grows on trees, duh? Do we know,
• 39:10
  of course that silk grows on on ruttleberry bushes in the form of cocoons
• 39:17
  made by worms. And also it makes sense, right if you were used
• 39:22
  to cotton from the waist, if we're used to wool from sheep, right,
• 39:27
  Like the idea that fabric comes out of bugs, that's absurd. Fabric
• 39:30
  comes from plants and animals, right, right, yeah, bugs you can
• 39:34
  make dyes out of you could get honey, but like not fabric. Right,
• 39:37
  that's silly, that's absolutely silly. That's ridiculous, silly. Yeah.
• 39:43
  Interesting, we have a lean innkeeper here who seems to be fine. I
• 39:47
  guess they don't stay with them that long. But the other thing, then
• 39:52
  there's a shan shan who randomly adds to the conversation about silk and vanishes.
• 39:57
  Yeah, yeah, I didn't have anything. I passerby. It's just like,
• 40:00
  oh, by the way, that's totally how silk is faid because because
• 40:02
  sean Chan has silk, they you know, they don't get it from Shara.
• 40:07
  Or maybe they do get it from Shara. We don't know. I
• 40:08
  don't know. Maybe they go the other way around the world. I mean,
• 40:12
  right, we don't know, or they just grow it themselves because you
• 40:14
  know, silk. But either way, he just throws his comment in and
• 40:16
  then bails. And the only reason that that's really significant is because it rattles
• 40:21
  Olivia. And I really like Olivia, so I've been paying attention to her
• 40:24
  because I just want to get as much as I can out of her appearances,
• 40:28
  and she's really unsettled by hearing the shan Chan accent. I would say
• 40:34
  it's significant for a second reason. I think this is one of the people
• 40:37
  trying to bribe the nobles. He's just hanging out in the bar. Oh,
• 40:40
  of course, and then he sees this group come in and is like
• 40:44
  that's my cue, well up, time to go. But yeah, I
• 40:49
  think he absolutely is one of the guys who's just been hanging around trying to
• 40:52
  bribe the nobles. Why do we have sean Chan in this area? They've
• 40:54
  been trying to bribe the nobles, trying to get them. Yeah, I
• 40:57
  don't know why I didn't connect those dots, but yeah, obviously obviously I
• 41:01
  didn't either. The first time I read it, I actually exactly funny enough,
• 41:05
  I was doing all the shit, so I was like, I'll listen
• 41:06
  to it on audio, and so it took me a couple of times through
• 41:08
  before I was like, wait, wait, there's a chanchon that pops up
• 41:13
  later. I like it. I like it, but it's got to be
• 41:17
  it's got to be one of one of the people who, yeah, now,
• 41:22
  what the fuck the Sharon's doing there? I have no clue. Yeah,
• 41:24
  the Sharan seems like a red herring. Nothing ever comes of it.
• 41:29
  So I've always assumed that it's just like life has been going on despite the
• 41:35
  fact that the apocalypse is coming. Not everyone has gotten that memo, and
• 41:38
  probably someone has been trying to get silk out of Shar for the past like
• 41:42
  fifty years. So this is undoubtedly something that was gonna happen, you know.
• 41:46
  And if you look at where a tier is, if you're taking a
• 41:50
  boat the south around the waist, you're gonna end up pretty much the first
• 41:53
  port you're gonna hit this tier right once you get back to the continent,
• 41:57
  so it makes sense. It's just beating. And I do like that Shara
• 42:02
  keeps coming up because it does make all the Sharn Army appearing in the Last
• 42:07
  Battle less out of nowhere. I do think it was well foreshadowed in the
• 42:10
  rest of the series. I just don't think it was well foreshadowed in the
• 42:14
  Last Battle itself. Yeah, I would agree with that, because it did
• 42:17
  feel very satisfying to have all these non sequitters finally come together into something that
• 42:22
  mattered. That was very satisfying because this is a nothing burger until you're like,
• 42:29
  but it comes from those people that explode in at the end, and
• 42:31
  then suddenly it feels like this tiny little peak into something much greater. Hmm.
• 42:37
  They bribed the innkeeper to give him the room with a bunch of money.
• 42:40
  He hurries everybody out, which we've seen it. We used to see
• 42:44
  Moraine doing. Now it's randoing it, right. I think there's a bit
• 42:45
  of like full circleness there, right, he is bribing the innkeepers with the
• 42:51
  gold to get them out of the room to do the magic thing. Yeah,
• 42:53
  it is kind of like a doing something at level you know, fifteen
• 42:58
  that you could barely do at level five right, just being like, Wow,
• 43:01
  this is so much easier. I've been here before, but now I'm
• 43:04
  in a completely different position than the power hierarchy. This is neat until they
• 43:07
  go into the room and Ran has some PTSD. Yeah, he has basically
• 43:12
  a flashback panic response like event. He has an episode. Basically the room
• 43:17
  is too small, there are too many people in it, and he feels
• 43:21
  like he's being trapped in a box. The walls are closing in and suddenly
• 43:23
  him and loose there and are both panting and freaking out, and like he
• 43:28
  needs to be able to like see out the window and see the sky and
• 43:30
  see that there's space between him and the stone, and like everyone has to
• 43:34
  back up against the wall and when everyone get back, and when he says
• 43:37
  that to get back, kat Swain immediately responds. She rolls her eyes very
• 43:43
  ostentatiously while she does it. But she doesn't give him any guff. She
• 43:45
  doesn't like make him say please, She doesn't do any of that. She
• 43:50
  she knows that like that is that is not the thing she needs to work
• 43:53
  on, right, Like she's really antagonizing him. Later and like the whole
• 43:57
  like counting of his outburst, but she doesn't count this as an outburst of
• 44:01
  anger. She sees this as an outburst of PTSD and being like, Oh,
• 44:06
  okay, I'm just gonna you know, i have an attitude to maintain,
• 44:08
  but I'm not going to create problems either. And I love that Niney
• 44:13
  sniffs it the way he says it, but also realizes he serious. Yeah,
• 44:17
  same same. She hears the same thing in his voice of this is
• 44:21
  not a power move, This is a I need this right now move,
• 44:24
  which is, you know, again, proof that they all do care correctly.
• 44:30
  They all care about him, even though they're doing it wrong in so
• 44:34
  many ways, Like they are keyed in on some necessary aspects of what Rand
• 44:39
  is going through that Rand himself is ignoring. You know, they at least
• 44:44
  understand to some extent, they understand that he's having a problem. They don't
• 44:47
  understand what the problem is. So the next little bit he sezes the power,
• 44:52
  and I think there's a lot I think this supports my whole theory.
• 44:57
  Rand sees the male half of the true source Saideine flooded into him. Had
• 45:01
  the madman tried to seize it first, he had brushed it, certainly touched
• 45:07
  it, but it was Rand's the mad man. He didn't say, did
• 45:10
  lewis theren touch it first? Mad? Which I think is Rand. I
• 45:19
  think Rand reached out, touches it, he touched it first, but he
• 45:22
  perceives that as a mad man touching it because he's the mad man. The
• 45:27
  self delusion is real convoluted hm hmmm, because remember there is no difference.
• 45:30
  It was always Rand seizing it. There is no one to compete with.
• 45:36
  There's one soul, one source. This is not where this is not like
• 45:39
  the true power, where he's reaching out through moradon right right, And I
• 45:45
  think that is something you could maybe make an argument for that something's going on
• 45:52
  where maybe Rand is somehow seizing the true Source through Mordon. However, I
• 46:00
  don't think Morgan can touch Morgan can touch the True Source anymore. I think
• 46:02
  he's bound to the true power, right, the Dark One's power. Yeah,
• 46:08
  yeah, he can. He's the other side. Rand can't touch the
• 46:12
  Dark One in that way at this point, and Morgan can't touch the one
• 46:16
  power, which I guess is the Creator to some extent. To some extent,
• 46:21
  yeah, I mean, it's it's the power that turns the wheel,
• 46:23
  which if that's not the creator. Then what is the creator? Right?
• 46:27
  Like, yeah, yeah, entropy and and creation right, creation destruction?
• 46:31
  Those are the two forces that like make the material world have meaning. So
• 46:37
  yeah, he sezes it. It's you know, he still has his dizziness
• 46:39
  problem, right, because he's still linked to Morgan. He still has that
• 46:43
  issue. He still feels nauseated, and Nineve notices that because he goes basically
• 46:46
  gray in the face and she's like, you seem a little like peaky.
• 46:52
  But now he talks to the double wound, right flares up, right,
• 46:54
  because the second he touches the power, it does react out this line.
• 47:00
  But with the power filling him, he could ignore that pain. He thought
• 47:04
  he could ignore, could have ignored a sword thrust. And I'm like,
• 47:07
  you pretty much got a sword thrust. That's how you got those wounds in
• 47:08
  the first place. Yeah, I'm like, rand, way to downplay what
• 47:13
  you're actually dealing with, Like you arewithstanding a sword thrust that is right precise,
• 47:17
  a staff thrust and then a dagger slash if you want to be super
• 47:22
  precise, but come on, come on. So yeah, without the face
• 47:27
  of the man from shadow Logoth, Morden floated in his head for a moment,
• 47:30
  he looked furious. Right, So here's the where the anger is.
• 47:34
  Right, we know Mordan's angry at this moment, without a doubt. He
• 47:38
  was aware of Rand in that moment. Now, whether he's mad because he's
• 47:43
  aware of Rand, or he's mad because like the Forsaken are being assholes,
• 47:45
  I don't know, right, but he's pissed off. Move a hair in
• 47:51
  any direction and they would touch no more than a hair. I mean,
• 47:53
  if you're talking about foreshadowing the last battle on the body switch, right,
• 47:58
  mm hmmm. Yeah, they keep coming to this place of real close proximity
• 48:01
  and him being able to touch him and seeing his face, and yeah,
• 48:06
  there's this this moment where you can tell, Like reading this, it's like,
• 48:08
  okay, this is obviously Jordan was planning for this body swap well ahead
• 48:12
  of time. Yeah. Yeah. Uh so he channels and he creates a
• 48:15
  gateway with spirit touched with fire. I foreshadowed this, Hm, Women's gateways
• 48:23
  are only made with spirit. Really, the gateways are made in very different
• 48:28
  ways, only spirit for women. I thought that it had like water or
• 48:32
  earth or something. I think it. I mean, feel free to find
• 48:36
  contrary evidence. But I thought when women wave gateways, it was just spirit.
• 48:40
  And that's according to the lot Wiki, by the way, Okay,
• 48:45
  we're pulling that from okay, I wow. I thought that there were very
• 48:50
  few weaves that were only spirit. I thought it was like mostly sleeping stuff.
• 48:53
  Yep, it says no, a sidine gateway adds fire, while a
• 48:57
  sidar gateway is pure spirit. That's very unbalanced feeling. The evidence for that
• 49:05
  will come in Lord of Cast chapter thirty seven is apparently where we see someone
• 49:08
  weave a gateway with the female side of the spirit of the with the female
• 49:14
  side of the power, and it is just pure spirit. Huh. I
• 49:17
  don't like that. That annoys me. It's a GWayne weave spirit and oh
• 49:23
  uh weaves the gateway, right, So she's demonstrating the gateway. Maybe there's
• 49:28
  just more than one way to make a gateway because Agwayne sorted it out herself,
• 49:35
  whereas Rand learned it from Masmodian. Uh. Yeah, because remember Rand
• 49:43
  made a gateway by instinct at one point, right, No, that was
• 49:47
  a vianda. Yeah, but no, Ran definitely like he he just saw
• 49:52
  when he's fighting the forsaken, they made gateways and stuff into Yeah, so
• 49:57
  he but he copied an age of Letard traveling. Yeah, she learned it
• 50:00
  in that way, whereas a GWayne worked it out on her own. So
• 50:04
  maybe she just well I think Ran copied skimming, but I think he worked
• 50:08
  out traveling on his own once he knew skimming, right, he tried the
• 50:13
  skimming weave, but with a different set of parameters and was pleasantly surprised by
• 50:16
  the result. But he definitely was like, oh, I've done this before,
• 50:21
  and that was during anthink He's battle. As with the well, the
• 50:23
  first gateway he made was I really do think remember he made a gateway into
• 50:28
  teleron Riodd. Yeah, I think that was in book three before gosh back
• 50:34
  there somewhere, Yeah, which fight that was? Oh yeah, Foujie's reminding
• 50:40
  us of the language. Rand drills a hole and Degwayne creates a sameness.
• 50:46
  I could see drilling a hole needing fire in a way that creating sameness would
• 50:51
  not. I still feel like that's very unbalanced that only one of them needs
• 50:55
  an elemental force in addition to spirit. But whatever, it's fine, I'll
• 51:01
  accept it. But I do I think it's important that there are differences.
• 51:07
  Right. You can't teach a fish to fly, right, You can't teach
• 51:08
  a bird to swim. They are different. The recipes will actually blow up
• 51:12
  in your face if you do it with the other power, because shit like
• 51:15
  that. Like if a woman were to do it with fire, it would
• 51:17
  like teleport you to the sun or something. It's like the difference when they
• 51:22
  the example they use is when they put out on fire right and she has
• 51:27
  to dissipate the fire heat into something, whereas he just takes it in and
• 51:30
  then distributes back out. And she's like, oh, if I took it
• 51:34
  into myself, I would be on fire right. I can't support it for
• 51:37
  that amount of time, fundamentally asymmetric results. So they hop through to the
• 51:44
  stone. Yep, yep, no ambush. Here he sees the hole where
• 52:00
  he left Calendor and thinks about Nrishma and the prophecy he who draws it out
• 52:05
  shall follow after, and is like, oh, it's really careful about that,
• 52:07
  and it means absolutely nothing because it's a bullshit prophecy. But I thought
• 52:12
  about it really hard, So yeah, good, So we're good. Eva
• 52:15
  Jordan's looking at us saying, stop pestering me. That is what I intended,
• 52:20
  right right, It's just a non significant prophecy. Whatever it means.
• 52:24
  I mean, I'm convinced that it means he will be at some point the
• 52:28
  leader of the Black Tower. But I it could mean he followed after him
• 52:34
  when he went through a doorway at some point, Right, it doesn't mean
• 52:37
  anything as far as I can tell. Yeah, I assume it means that
• 52:39
  he's part of a really important part of like maintaining the legacy that Rand leaves
• 52:45
  the world afterward, you know, like takes on one of the schools,
• 52:50
  or yeah, takes on leading the Black Tower, or something important about keeping
• 52:53
  Rand's legacy alive and the memory of what he wanted alive. And it's great
• 52:58
  and it's good and it's mundane and heroic all at the same time, but
• 53:02
  has nothing to do with what's happening in the last battle, like Rand seems
• 53:06
  to imply. Yeah. I So, if I had a guess, I
• 53:12
  would say he is the Paul or the He's the one who's going to spread
• 53:19
  the disciple that this word of Rand. Right, he will be his sort
• 53:23
  of prophet, right in the way that Messima wants to be. He's what
• 53:27
  Messimo wishes he could be exactly exactly. He's the one who's stayed with brand
• 53:32
  will tell stories. He'll write, yeah, exactly him and his bells.
• 53:36
  He'll write down the stories, and those stories will become a holy book to
• 53:38
  a new religion and will be part of how myth fades. Right, Yeah,
• 53:45
  I can totally see that sort of an adjacent branch to what the Black
• 53:49
  Tower does. You know, maybe they get kind of some traveling barred stuff
• 53:52
  going on. Massimo's Paul maurismos, Peter. Sure, I don't know my
• 53:57
  Bible enough to know if that's the case. Paul's the message rogenist, Peter
• 54:00
  found the church. I mean, they're all misogynists, but like I was
• 54:06
  Gon and he's a misogynists and he founds the church. But I think Paul
• 54:12
  is the one that like writes a bunch of letters that are like, get
• 54:15
  back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich, even though I'm in prison,
• 54:17
  so fuck you. And then Peters the one that's supposedly buried under the
• 54:22
  you know Vatican. Okay, Peter's the Vatican one. It's the rock of
• 54:29
  the church. And Peter and ship I had a brief phase of really caring
• 54:32
  about old like Catholic Vatican history. So is that the phrase pay Peter to
• 54:38
  something Paul. Yeah, what was the something? Steal from Peter to pay
• 54:45
  Paul? Oh about Catholics, Like I just cared about weird occult stuff for
• 54:52
  like a year when I read fucking Dan Brown? Yeah, Rob Peter,
• 54:59
  Yeah, which, what does it mean? Read us the definition? I
• 55:02
  mean, it's exactly what it sounds like. You're borrowing from one person to
• 55:06
  give to another. I don't think it's just okay. I wonder why Peter
• 55:09
  and Paul just okay, all right. I think because they're also like really
• 55:14
  close friends, So it's like, why couldn't they buy borrow from each other?
• 55:16
  Oh huh, this is no. I don't see anything. Oh I
• 55:22
  kind of I agree. Don't we won't we won't take Loyle's book away that
• 55:24
  that is the true Scripture is going to be really involved in spreading the Loyals
• 55:30
  book. Narwee is going to be Loyal's publisher publicist. Well, one's a
• 55:35
  historical account of the events, and the other will be much more mystical.
• 55:37
  In my opinion, one of them is the Broadway adaptation. That's what Narice
• 55:43
  was gonna do, is he's gonna do the Traveling Broadway adaptation. He'll team
• 55:45
  up with Luca to take it on the road. The producers. I want
• 55:51
  to be a dragon, So Rand holds onto siding. You just wants to
• 55:55
  fight over it again with whatever that means, right, because he's already insane
• 55:59
  one who has it? I left him and loose then fighting about it and
• 56:02
  the nature of trust. It's very good. The mad man is arguing with
• 56:06
  the mad men in the mad man's head. It's great, good time Rand
• 56:09
  being and it's really like, I think this is a really important moment about
• 56:15
  only mad men trust no one. Lewis Thearren said, right, this is
• 56:19
  again how we know that they flipped because it used to be that Luis Tharn
• 56:22
  was in his head screaming trust, no one trusts, no one trusts no
• 56:24
  one mm hmm, and now Rand has taken that in the insane one is
• 56:30
  now out. The insane one is the one who is possessing the body who
• 56:34
  trusts no one in the person the brains being like, only med men trust
• 56:37
  that I have a mad man in my head. Uh huh, because I'm
• 56:40
  the sane one. Yeah. Yeah, it's how the turn tables have table
• 56:45
  turned. Yes, And whether you want to say that like Rand went insane
• 56:49
  and Lewis Thearren is this, you know, went sane. I don't know
• 56:52
  if you can really do that, but like clearly something is going on here
• 56:54
  where the voice in Rand's head is much more sane than Randon. I mean,
• 57:00
  I do feel like Loose Thearren has gone sane, so to speak,
• 57:04
  because he really is the voice that seems to be the one that really sparks
• 57:08
  the idea of what if the reason we're born again is to be able to
• 57:12
  love again? Like that, particularly the way Michael Kramer voices it, like
• 57:15
  that's the one who has the epiphany. Rand is still seeking the answer,
• 57:21
  and it's Loose Thearren who has the epiphany for the two of them. But
• 57:23
  if they've switched, that actually is right. I mean again, it's all
• 57:27
  the same person, right, it's one person. It's one person, yeah,
• 57:30
  one person. Down with the binary it's one person, right, Rand
• 57:34
  is plural. So then he has a nice little conversation with one of the
• 57:37
  guards about, uh, one of the worst days of his life. Yeah
• 57:44
  yeah, it's some war wound stuff. It's like, oh yeah, at
• 57:46
  that time that we almost all died and I shited my pants. Yeah yeah,
• 57:52
  that happened and tried to bring a little girl back to life even though
• 57:54
  she was dead, and I just made her body move around like a corpse.
• 57:57
  Yeah, I don't, I don't. I haven't forgotten that honorable day.
• 58:00
  Yeah, on our good for you with the with the scar that's only
• 58:05
  on the outside of your body. Great, we got a third data point
• 58:08
  on corridors changing. Right, So this is happening all over the world.
• 58:12
  This is happening for a while. It's our volunteer and Camerlin. We've now
• 58:17
  seen it happen in so all the big three cities. Seems like at this
• 58:22
  point we can assume that that was happening has been happening since the same day,
• 58:25
  Like it just started happening in the middle of the day across the whole
• 58:30
  world. I wonder if it's happening in Sean Shan and Shara. Also,
• 58:34
  do you think it has anything to do with the distance from the boar hmmm,
• 58:38
  or from shale Gool, because technically the boar is everywhere, right,
• 58:42
  Like I get it. It's you know, the boar, isn't it shale
• 58:45
  Ghual. It's just that's where the pattern is. The thinness, thinnest right,
• 58:50
  because the boy is at shale Cool. Well, no, because the
• 58:53
  boar is a place where they actually where where land Fear drilled a hole in
• 58:57
  the pattern, and she was on an island, you know, in the
• 59:00
  middle of like the ocean, far away from our main land. Yeah,
• 59:04
  so the sight of the boar being drilled is nowhere near where shale Ghul is,
• 59:07
  right right, right, Yeah, weird, weird displacement in space,
• 59:13
  but whatever, it's just what it is. But yeah, I could totally
• 59:16
  see that being on the same continent as shale Ghul would make the difference in
• 59:21
  shan Chan and Shara are unaffected in as much as corridors shifting. We're not
• 59:25
  really sure what it means about distance, but it does appear that distance doesn't
• 59:30
  matter. Right, Tarval is much closer north than cameln right or even tier
• 59:37
  and so it's hard to say. It appears just the thinning of the pattern.
• 59:42
  It could be localized, it could be everywhere. We don't get a
• 59:45
  bunch of you know, shan Chan complaining about it happening in shawn Chan.
• 59:49
  Well, we don't have any communication with sean Chan, so there's no way
• 59:52
  to know. Like it's it's completely unknowable. The only Shaun Chain we ever
• 59:55
  interact with her on this side of the ocean, right well in summer on.
• 1:00:00
  She knows what's going on over there. Do you think she gives a
• 1:00:01
  fuck about corridors. She probably just blasted her way through the wall. If
• 1:00:06
  she got right, she's walked straight through a bang bang bang. Yeah.
• 1:00:09
  Yeah. And there's an interesting line here where he's talking about how if I
• 1:00:15
  don't start the last battle, the Dark One will kind of win by default,
• 1:00:21
  just by letting the pattern unravel. The world will be destroyed, We'll
• 1:00:23
  all starve to death and will be in one of these shadow worlds. It'll
• 1:00:28
  be an end to time and creation. He has to bring about the last
• 1:00:31
  battle before that happened. It's an interesting and I do think this was something
• 1:00:37
  that got used differently the way it was than what it was intended, because
• 1:00:42
  to me, I wanted the breaking of the final seals to be how Ran
• 1:00:45
  started the last battle, not this. Oh, when they're broken, that's
• 1:00:51
  the moment when he can seal the Dark One away. In a way,
• 1:00:54
  it's there the end of the last battle, not the beginning of it.
• 1:00:58
  I would have loved to see this whole I have to break it, or
• 1:01:02
  else the dark One will win by default. And once I break it,
• 1:01:07
  the Rebbele has to be cleared, and it will take me a day to
• 1:01:09
  rebuild the seal, and in that time, the Dark One will run rampant
• 1:01:15
  and you know, will bleed through, and all these bad effects will be
• 1:01:19
  happening. Right, or maybe even take like a longer time. Right,
• 1:01:22
  what if rebuilding the seal took him, you know, quite quite a bit
• 1:01:25
  of time. I don't know. I would have liked to see that be
• 1:01:30
  the duration in the last battle. That's why it had to happen the way
• 1:01:32
  it did. That would have been cool. The sword fight at the end
• 1:01:36
  of the World was a little bit like really, So then Rand assures the
• 1:01:43
  guards that he won't get lost, and they're just like, well, he's
• 1:01:45
  the door Dragon, so we're gonna not question that too hard. And he
• 1:01:51
  goes cruising off to follow Alana. Right, he's he knows what he can
• 1:01:55
  locate her in his head, so he's like, well, she's my guide
• 1:01:58
  stone, I have a compass. I'm not gonna get lost. Exactly wherever
• 1:02:02
  she is, I'll get there. It doesn't matter what the corridors in between
• 1:02:06
  are. And God swayin being like those guards hop when you say, Toad,
• 1:02:09
  that's that's not good for you. Yeah, and Rand's like, coming
• 1:02:15
  from you, that's really rich. But like there is this interesting point that
• 1:02:19
  that leads into where he says, if I could make everyone obey, I
• 1:02:23
  would, and she looks at him and goes, right, I see,
• 1:02:30
  and that that is a very important exchange because that is not a man that
• 1:02:35
  you can let have the last battle happen to. This is very connected with
• 1:02:39
  his thought about how he's not ready for the last battle to happen yet.
• 1:02:43
  CAD's Winn's going, no, you are not mm mmm, I need to
• 1:02:47
  be working on you. And that's why she does this weird countdown thing or
• 1:02:51
  count up thing and then spanks him like it's not the right approach. But
• 1:02:54
  this is why she is looking at Rand going stop being a micromanager. You
• 1:03:01
  can't control everything everybody does. It's not inside your control. You cannot take
• 1:03:07
  that kind of responsibility on and win the last battle. You can't. He
• 1:03:12
  has to let other people be heroes too, right, That's that's the whole
• 1:03:15
  lesson. God Swain is supposed to teach him that other people can be heroes
• 1:03:17
  too, right, and like she fails mostly she tries badly, but yeah,
• 1:03:25
  and it could because what he's saying is basically like that fucking planet from
• 1:03:30
  Rinklin Time, you know he is. He is saying that if I could
• 1:03:34
  do a fascism and make everyone mind slaves, I would do it to save
• 1:03:37
  the world. And we see in his visions in the Last Battle that that
• 1:03:42
  is one of the alternatives, you know that the Dark One spins out for
• 1:03:45
  him. It's like, what if everyone was a mind slave to how you
• 1:03:49
  think things should be and there is no free will? And that's what Rand
• 1:03:52
  is saying he wants at this point, and Kadswayin's like, no, we
• 1:03:55
  can't have that man going in and facing that future when the Dark One hand
• 1:04:00
  to him, because then he would say yes to that vision and the world
• 1:04:02
  fucking ends. And I do like the Dark One kind of like defeats him
• 1:04:06
  by showing it defeats himself by showing Rand like what the outcomes of his ideas
• 1:04:12
  would be. I did like that. Yeah. Yeah, it's like,
• 1:04:15
  oh, well, you could have just let Ran pick one of those and
• 1:04:16
  you would have been only good Dark One, right, Like Grand would have
• 1:04:19
  created a dystopian future, and I like, sure Genie's wish, go right
• 1:04:23
  ahead. Uh huh, everybody's good, No one has any free will left.
• 1:04:27
  Have fun with it, right right. Katswain basically fails the task successfully.
• 1:04:33
  Sometimes you roll a natural twenty despite doing everything wrong. So he walks
• 1:04:40
  in through the doorway and we get this place that's like elaborately carved, and
• 1:04:43
  we see why the Arrans have such a reputation for ornateness, although not as
• 1:04:48
  many much as the Kyrieane. I guess, I don't. I'm not really
• 1:04:51
  sure. It's different styles. It's just potato potato and the end doors are
• 1:04:57
  turning their noses up at both. Like again, the Tyrants kind of reminded
• 1:05:00
  me of Italy, whereas the Kyrians are more French, and it's like the
• 1:05:04
  Louverra versus the Vatican, but they're both absurd and like overblown and gaudy.
• 1:05:11
  But you know, this one's much more Italian to me. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:05:15
  for sure, for sure. They're both seriously wealth unequal societies. And
• 1:05:20
  we're in the palaces, and you know, the stone is an interesting mix
• 1:05:24
  of decor and military application, and that's a weird, harsh mix. And
• 1:05:30
  then Rand also thinks about how gateways have made mankind's oldest stronghold into an obsolete
• 1:05:38
  relic, and that's a really interesting like I am become death the kind of
• 1:05:43
  moment you know. Again also reminds me how much Jordan was all about,
• 1:05:46
  like he was a helicopter guy, right and plane guy, and how much
• 1:05:48
  like airplanes made walls completely obsolete in a lot of ways, like there's no
• 1:05:55
  there's no reason to have walls on your castle. If they can, we
• 1:05:57
  can fly jets over you and drop mombs on your head. Yeah, it
• 1:06:00
  makes the concept of thick walls kind of pointless because unless you're gonna have a
• 1:06:04
  thick wall over your head the whole way, Yeah, domit, Yeah yeah,
• 1:06:10
  which has its own problems, so many problems. So then he admires
• 1:06:15
  Alana, which is I thought was an interesting passage where again the more I'm
• 1:06:20
  reading this, the more I'm like, Yeah, Rand is thumbing his ear
• 1:06:24
  lobe, not Lewis Theren. That was a Lewis Theren gesture. Rand is
• 1:06:27
  doing it somehow, there's been like this switch in personalities. Yeah, it's
• 1:06:31
  it's very weird. And his stomach is like lurching before he goes in there,
• 1:06:35
  and you could attribute that to the power. But also, like you
• 1:06:38
  know, she is his first serious abuser, so you know that's always not
• 1:06:43
  always great. And also it's interesting he goes in there assuming that Alana has
• 1:06:46
  prepared the room for his arrival. She has not, but she makes a
• 1:06:51
  point of pointing that out. Yeah, she has very carefully made sure that
• 1:06:55
  she was in the correct room so that way, when Rand found her correct
• 1:07:00
  conversation would get initiated with the right people. But she didn't prepare them for
• 1:07:03
  the fact that rad was coming. She just showed up for reasons and quietly
• 1:07:08
  stayed in the room for no apparent you know, she just made whatever excuse.
• 1:07:13
  Quite a surprise, wouldn't you say, am I learn of Storial?
• 1:07:15
  Yes? Yeah, it's quite a surprise. And so the next little bit
• 1:07:19
  is like the politics, Right, we dig deep into what's been going on
• 1:07:24
  between the various factions in the same way that like we shortly see the factions
• 1:07:30
  of and Or get wrapped up. These are the factions of Tear getting wrapped
• 1:07:32
  up before the last battle. Yes, this is Jordan ending a plot line.
• 1:07:36
  This is when I say, like this is a chapter of payoffs,
• 1:07:40
  right, Like this is the payoff for all the stuff that was going on
• 1:07:44
  in Kyrie inne we wrap all that up here. Absolutely, it is very
• 1:07:47
  parallel to what's happening with Elaine. This is also the section where we get
• 1:07:51
  the payoff of the fashion has spread. Yes, Caroline is in the men
• 1:07:58
  fashion because you know, they went through some pretty intense stuff together when Randa
• 1:08:00
  got his second side wound, and she was asking men about her seamstress.
• 1:08:05
  So that's also Rand's thing is he's like, well, the fashion can't have
• 1:08:09
  spread to tear, But Caroline spent a bunch of time with men specifically,
• 1:08:14
  so it's not like it's spread through the grape violets like she is ground.
• 1:08:18
  She's patient zero for its spreading past men into tier, which is fun.
• 1:08:24
  I just I like that side tension. And also then Caroline and min later,
• 1:08:28
  you know in this section they're talking. They go off to the side
• 1:08:30
  to talk and they gossip about their men for a minute, but then they
• 1:08:33
  start talking about clothes and they're talking about like backstitch and bias cut, which
• 1:08:38
  I wanted to go in a brief little tangent. Do you think sewing machines
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  exist in this world? No? Okay, so fun textile history. If
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  you don't have a sewing machine, it is really hard to keep fabric from
• 1:08:54
  unraveling when you cut it. So when fabric gets woven, it comes in
• 1:08:59
  a particular are width because that's the size of the loom. There's a couple
• 1:09:01
  of different sizes, but that's how fabric has always been. So for the
• 1:09:03
  vast majority of human textile wearing history, our patterns are made of rectangles.
• 1:09:11
  It's just rectangles on rectangles on rectangles, because it's really difficult to keep your
• 1:09:15
  fabric from unraveling. If you don't have the ability to hem things. It's
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  a pain in the ass, very time consuming to do by hand. You
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  can do it by hand, but like it's way more efficient and economical to
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  do everything in squares or in rectangles. And so bias cut even now is
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  a very expensive thing because first of all, it's a cut. And if
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  you don't know what bias cut is, bias cut is diagonal. That's what
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  the bias is against the weave right direction right, So the weave is gonna,
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  you know, generally be in a cross hatch and if you go at
• 1:09:49
  a forty five, there's going to be a whole lot of stretch. It's
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  the stretchiest direction you can possibly pull fabric in. And you, as a
• 1:10:00
  man person, you've experienced bias cut because you've interacted with ties. Ties are
• 1:10:04
  always cut on the bias. It gives them their slightly stretchy magical tie properties
• 1:10:11
  for whatever reason. It's like fences, the extendable fences that have that thing
• 1:10:16
  where they'll squish together in one direction but extend out in the other. That's
• 1:10:19
  what's basically what you're doing with the weave is you're extending that those triangles out
• 1:10:25
  and elongating those triangles of the basket weave in one direction. That's why it's
• 1:10:29
  very stretchy in that direction, right, and fabric will generally have a direction
• 1:10:33
  of stretch and a direction that is less stretchy, like along the horizontal or
• 1:10:38
  the vertical, but going diagonal will always be stretchy no matter what the arrangement
• 1:10:43
  of the other directions are, just because of yeah, that triangle thing you're
• 1:10:45
  talking about. So bias cut fabric is very expensive and it fits way better.
• 1:10:51
  It fits on curvy things way better, so it fits the human form
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  way better. So clothing that is cut on the bias takes like three times
• 1:10:59
  as much fabric. It's way more expensive in terms of material cost, but
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  it will look so much better and flow so much better on your silly,
• 1:11:08
  curvy, three dimensional human body and stretch with you as opposed to just being
• 1:11:12
  rigid and stuck in place very much so. So like I've made a lot
• 1:11:15
  of garments where I've included bias sections, like in the crotch of pants,
• 1:11:20
  so that way, like when I squat down, like they're way stretch here.
• 1:11:25
  Just like it's way, if I've got to make pants, why would
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  I not guss it the middle? And if I'm gonna make a guss it,
• 1:11:30
  why would I make a guss it on the bias? Like that's just
• 1:11:33
  a way better design for being able to move comfortably. So yeah, they're
• 1:11:40
  over there talking about sewing stuff, and I'm just like, say more,
• 1:11:42
  Robert, this is one of the only times you go beyond impossible expectations of
• 1:11:46
  materials and fashion and like where are other undergarments? And you don't even talk
• 1:11:49
  about that for once. You're talking about things like bias cut and I want
• 1:11:53
  to hear more because like that's interesting, but alas all we get is that
• 1:11:58
  and the words backstitch which like it. It's a real basic stitch you can
• 1:12:01
  do with needle and thread. It's what it says on the tin. So
• 1:12:08
  that's why I don't think the sewing machines because they're doing backstitshes on their bias
• 1:12:11
  cut. Well, I mean you can also backstitch with a sewing machine,
• 1:12:14
  so it just means going backwards. Speaking of Caroline, other note Rand and
• 1:12:19
  lewis theren's attraction to her allah attraction to Morille. Oh godd. So I
• 1:12:29
  also was like, this is very weird because Rand being attracted to Caroline,
• 1:12:33
  Caroline looking like Moraine really feels a very mother that is she type complex shit
• 1:12:44
  or whatever. And this is again where I think, if there's it makes
• 1:12:46
  more sense that there's been a switch. And the person who's thinking that is
• 1:12:49
  much more Lewis Theron, who is considers himself significantly older, significantly wiser than
• 1:12:58
  her, And I think that's that's what he's trying to say here is Oh,
• 1:13:01
  you have this attraction in his mind that he would never happen if he
• 1:13:04
  was still that nineteen year old boy. Yeah. I was thinking that that
• 1:13:09
  this feels very like, why are you suddenly fetishizing your mother? Figure that
• 1:13:14
  seems weird. But yeah, Loose therein would be like she's a colleague,
• 1:13:18
  she's an inferior, she's yeah, Like he wouldn't have the same looking up
• 1:13:26
  relationship to Morain in any way, shape or form as Rand does, So
• 1:13:30
  it's it's not the same weird like, yeah, yeah, that incongruity fits
• 1:13:35
  is less incongruous if we accept how switcher rude they are at this point.
• 1:13:42
  Yeah, I like that. That's my best guess to get rid of that
• 1:13:45
  ickiness that I don't like it. I approve of getting rid of the ickiness.
• 1:13:48
  I like that. Yes, lies all that right on out, because
• 1:13:56
  it is it is. It's not just icky, but it's congru with that
• 1:14:00
  whatever it's out in Cornros, it's out of place, right, it's this
• 1:14:03
  weird like Rand has never before expressed any attraction. No, unlike Tom who
• 1:14:11
  said in a mighty fine woman and all those lines, right, like,
• 1:14:15
  Rand has never done that. Yeah, and you've even got Rand in loose
• 1:14:18
  Theren's head being like, hey, stop masturbating over that picture that I cry
• 1:14:23
  over. That's weird. Don't do that. Yeah. Yeah. Kattswayne retires
• 1:14:28
  to the corner because of the interaction she had with Rand earlier, right where
• 1:14:31
  he's like, oh no, I want everyone to obey me, where she's
• 1:14:33
  like, oh, I want to see what's going to happen here. Then
• 1:14:36
  yes, she gets herself front row seats and sits back to let the fireworks
• 1:14:41
  play out. And then we get two dark friends. Dark friends, yeah,
• 1:14:58
  dark friend alert? Were them On and Ainella? Yes, they are
• 1:15:02
  kind of together for the rest of the books. They're like ostensibly a couple
• 1:15:06
  kind of sorta and they're just in every time they show up in a scene,
• 1:15:10
  they're together, so like they just wirem On and Aniela. They're the
• 1:15:14
  dark friends. They suck, right, And do you remember Ianella was with
• 1:15:17
  what I I Lil when Rand was unconscious and they were debating whether they wanted
• 1:15:24
  to hurt him or help him, and it was clear that Ianella was like
• 1:15:27
  wanted to kill him while he was unconscious. Basically, yeah, while he
• 1:15:30
  was knocked out from his own lightning bolt during the disastrous campaign against the Shan
• 1:15:33
  Shan. You remember may remember her from episodes such as Rand knocked out by
• 1:15:38
  lightning Bolt, betrayal and definitely not a good person, right and maybe a
• 1:15:45
  dark friend. Yeah, definitely a dark friend, and you can really see
• 1:15:48
  it here. You can see that wirem On, you know, threw away
• 1:15:51
  a whole bunch of men's lives, throwing the treaty talks back to the very
• 1:15:58
  beginning, completely disrupting the piece. As you know, they're just doing everything
• 1:16:01
  they can to put a stick in the spokes and create chaos and create loss,
• 1:16:05
  you know, getting rid of the army through death, and how freaked
• 1:16:09
  out they are when things end up working out for them anyway, or for
• 1:16:13
  Rand anyway, right, they're like, oh no, we are fuck,
• 1:16:17
  those were not our orders. Yeah, exactly. Anniella is worse at pretending.
• 1:16:24
  Wireman's very good at the bluster, but Anniella's face is just telling the
• 1:16:28
  story really clearly. Wireman has his incompetence to hide behind his story, and
• 1:16:31
  I don't know, you know, again, how incompetent is he? Actually,
• 1:16:33
  I think he's pretty fucking incompetent, but I also think he's hides his
• 1:16:40
  betrayal behind incompetence. Yeah, Aniela does not have that smokescreen. She really
• 1:16:46
  is just incompetent and apparent about it. So yeah, Rand is like,
• 1:16:51
  you need to skid Aadlin out of here, because I don't want you here,
• 1:16:56
  and then he insists on it very loudly and explosively, and that causes
• 1:17:00
  kad Swain to say one which is very inscrutable unless you're tracking how she's tracking
• 1:17:06
  rance moods, and she is basically trying desperately to lance this boil before the
• 1:17:11
  end of the world. Like that's what she's doing, right, is she's
• 1:17:14
  like, the end of the world could be any day now, and he's
• 1:17:16
  not ready. I have to get him to explode and work through those feelings
• 1:17:20
  now as soon as possible. And she's doing it badly, but she's doing
• 1:17:24
  it desperately also, And she's also sort of pointing out every time he forces
• 1:17:29
  someone to his will, right, every time someone says I want to do
• 1:17:32
  this, he's like, no, you're going to do it my way out
• 1:17:34
  because he wants everybody to obey. I think that's what she's I don't think
• 1:17:39
  that's what it is. I think it's this violent, explosive outbursts of temper.
• 1:17:44
  I think that's what she's tracking is whenever he snaps and like it bursts
• 1:17:48
  out. That I think is what she's counting. But I could be wrong,
• 1:17:54
  which yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I think that's so much
• 1:17:56
  more the thing I was usually thought. It was trying to make it more
• 1:18:00
  deep than that, rather than her being like, don't don't express anger.
• 1:18:04
  It's not that don't express anger. It's that your anger is not finding a
• 1:18:08
  healthy expression, so it's bursting out in ways that are really counterproductive and dangerous
• 1:18:13
  for everyone. Okay, question, there's a sentence here that I can't I
• 1:18:17
  think might be a type of or something where Eman studied codswaying for a moment,
• 1:18:20
  tilting his head back so he was staring down his nose as the dragon
• 1:18:24
  reborn commands. He said, finally, so does where them in San diego?
• 1:18:28
  Obey? My ship can be ready to sail by tomorrow. I wager,
• 1:18:30
  well that Suffice, do you see all that? That's a paragraph?
• 1:18:33
  The paragraph after that, Rand nodded curtly. Next sentence, it would have
• 1:18:39
  to answer m I don't understand that sentence. I think he's talking about the
• 1:18:46
  nod. He's saying, the nod will have to answer. Oh, the
• 1:18:51
  nod would have to the answer. Okay. I was thinking he was saying
• 1:18:57
  it would have to Suffice answer, and I was like, wait, that
• 1:19:00
  doesn't work. Yeah, but the nod, the Nod answers the question,
• 1:19:03
  I got it. I got it, thank you very much. That's my
• 1:19:06
  reading comprehension. We're going into some trouble there's but then you follow it up
• 1:19:10
  with the next sentence. He was not about to waste a moment making a
• 1:19:13
  gateway to send this pair of fools where they belonged. Today. I can
• 1:19:18
  see where the where your reading comprehension went into a different place, because yeah,
• 1:19:23
  it does seem like it would have to suffice would be the more logical
• 1:19:28
  sentence there, given the sentence that comes after that, Like, I don't
• 1:19:31
  I don't like my interpretation. I like your interpretation better. I think that
• 1:19:35
  they fucked up just creatively there. Yeah. I think that was one of
• 1:19:41
  those points where maybe the person editing and the person writing thought two different things
• 1:19:44
  were going on there. Perhaps, Yeah, yeah, but anyway, that's
• 1:19:48
  that's just not my favorite sentence sructure, and I got a little confused by
• 1:19:51
  it. So but I understand now what he's trying to say is the NOD
• 1:19:56
  would have to answer the question of will it suffice? Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:20:01
  that's that's what It's a gap. So then we talk about the hunger in
• 1:20:05
  the city and Basically, Darlin has to Carolina and Darlan say they've been trying
• 1:20:13
  to feed the city by bringing the cattle in because cattle don't spoil the way
• 1:20:17
  that preserved meat spoils, which is smart, but bringing resources through a besieging
• 1:20:24
  army is sort of a crapshoot of giving your enemies food. So like it's
• 1:20:29
  been a bit of a rock and a hard place catch twenty two situation.
• 1:20:31
  And Rand's like, well, I don't like it, but at least you're
• 1:20:36
  doing something which is not what I expected, so I don't get to criticize.
• 1:20:41
  Darland's like, listen, the can stuff spoils and the live stuff's getting
• 1:20:44
  stolen. I don't know what, Like, I don't know what else you
• 1:20:45
  want me to do. I'm trying to bring in the food, but there's
• 1:20:47
  no way to get into the city without being intercepted. So maybe, mister
• 1:20:50
  dragon Reborn, you might want to bring in figure that out. Yeah,
• 1:20:55
  maybe like end the siege or give me some gateways or like something, you
• 1:20:59
  know, because like, yeah, everything I'm trying isn't working. So yeah,
• 1:21:02
  there's hunger in the city. So here's the thing where we've got Rand
• 1:21:05
  and Lewis theren basically saying Men could not have been wrong about Moraine because we
• 1:21:12
  need to die, and her vision basically promises us we could die. And
• 1:21:17
  that goes back to the vision about Livia is she will help him die.
• 1:21:23
  That's really the only thing that of Men's that he has to promise him that
• 1:21:27
  he will die. He has prophecies of the Dragon and all that, but
• 1:21:30
  the only thing for Men, I think he finds much more reliable than anything
• 1:21:34
  in the prophecies of the Dragon. Yeah, I mean Men is there's only
• 1:21:39
  one loop of only one link of interpretation with Men, which is whatever the
• 1:21:43
  pattern gives her. Like that's it. That's the only whereas the prophecies have
• 1:21:47
  been retranslated, reinterpreted, books have been lost, books have been found,
• 1:21:51
  like men is straight from the horse's mouth of the universe. You know.
• 1:21:57
  Yeah, she really is an oracle, true, right, We don't talk,
• 1:22:00
  we do that word often enough with her, but she's an oracle of
• 1:22:02
  the pattern. So then Bara Harken comes in with some news, and Bara's
• 1:22:10
  just of the green aw Jaw. I know she's popped up before. I
• 1:22:12
  didn't do any research on her, but I think that she's with Paren when
• 1:22:15
  they attack Doumai as wells Okay, I'm pretty sure that he teams up with
• 1:22:21
  Bara and Karuna. They're leading a party and they run into Paren and Paren's
• 1:22:26
  like, you're gonna be allowed to come with me, and they go and
• 1:22:30
  do the Domai as well as thing. So she's fine, she's from the
• 1:22:33
  good side. She's a pain in the ass, but she's fundamentally fine.
• 1:22:38
  She's got three orders. Well, she heals a Vianda there in the last
• 1:22:43
  battle. Yeah, she's a good one. That's good. Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:22:45
  she's fine. She went the right way in the coup and she's you
• 1:22:48
  know, aligns with Katswayn and she should and you know, she's fine.
• 1:22:53
  And she's been in charge of the Her and Alana have been working with the
• 1:22:58
  doing the peace process between the besiegers and the besieged, and she's come in
• 1:23:02
  with news about stuff, how that's going. Oh, she's coming in with
• 1:23:06
  news about the other high lords coming to the city, which is a thing.
• 1:23:12
  And so she's upset because his high lords are coming back to the city
• 1:23:16
  until she says, no, no, no, they don't need to be
• 1:23:18
  out there anymore because the siege is basically over, right, like we've come
• 1:23:21
  to an agreement. Yeah. Yeah, but before she says that just the
• 1:23:26
  news that these high lords are coming is enough to make Rand like explode again.
• 1:23:31
  Rights too, but he also says, doesn't anybody remember how to obey?
• 1:23:36
  Right? He's very much about the obeying part there as well. So
• 1:23:41
  it's they're almost going together, the anger and the obeying. Yeah, well,
• 1:23:45
  I mean it also goes back to what she was saying I see about
• 1:23:47
  before, which was him saying, if I could make everyone be mindfully as
• 1:23:50
  I would, She's like, mmmm, yeah, no, yeah, So
• 1:23:56
  that's why I'm wondering if that's what she's like really keying on, is like
• 1:23:59
  this idea that I need every one to do what I say, I'd say
• 1:24:00
  that at this point where this is both, this one is both. I
• 1:24:04
  think the other one was just anger or was the other one about control too?
• 1:24:11
  The other one was about control too. It was as soon as possible.
• 1:24:15
  Yeah, it's when he cuts wiram On off to tell him what to
• 1:24:19
  do. Okay, So all right, so we're two for two at this
• 1:24:21
  point. It's anger and control in both cases. So far we could both
• 1:24:26
  be right, we could be yeah, but yeah, Katswain says two,
• 1:24:30
  and then she says, this seems like maybe good news that you're not asking
• 1:24:33
  for. So maybe she's like video game tutorial like railroading him. Like you
• 1:24:39
  need to ask the cat if he has wheares to sell, you know,
• 1:24:43
  ask Para Harken if she has news about the rebels, right like yeap bear
• 1:24:47
  Harkin is blinking a little question mark over her head, exactly exactly, and
• 1:24:53
  yeah, she delivers the news now that, yeah, the treaty has been
• 1:24:56
  signed, we've got an agreement. Everything's cool and rams immediate react is but
• 1:25:00
  my feelings, I'm angry and it's very silly of him, I mean they
• 1:25:08
  And this is also where we get the information that the reason they the rebels
• 1:25:11
  lasted so long as the sean Chan was promising at arms. Yes, yes,
• 1:25:14
  right, yeah, which comes back to the shan Chan accent dude in
• 1:25:17
  the inn earlier, right, because he was there to help with the offers,
• 1:25:23
  probably one of the spies. Yeah, exactly exactly. Suddenly all of
• 1:25:28
  the resistance collapsed and have everyone's ready to just like pretend it didn't happen and
• 1:25:31
  go home, and RAN's like, I don't want to pretend it didn't happen.
• 1:25:33
  That makes me angry. And then Katswan's like, you literally didn't put
• 1:25:38
  that in your base terms to your negotiators, so don't be angry about it.
• 1:25:45
  Also, and so she gets to three, what does she say three
• 1:25:47
  about? They can stay commoners and swear fealty to me control obey uh huh
• 1:25:56
  huh. But also he's throwing a goblet of wine. First he slams his
• 1:26:02
  fists down on the chair, then he leaps up so fast he breaks the
• 1:26:08
  arm off the chair, and now he's thrown a glass of wine. These
• 1:26:11
  are all violent outbursts each time. So I think we're both right. I
• 1:26:15
  think literally either of the things that we're interpreting here is as right as the
• 1:26:19
  other because and I think that that's not a bad reading or a bad creation
• 1:26:25
  Artie's part, because anger and control are deeply entwined concepts like explosive anger and
• 1:26:30
  the need to control others are things that do need to be understood in relation
• 1:26:34
  to each other. So yeah, and I think there's a line here that
• 1:26:42
  may help link him to Morgan, the sickness twisting his insides, right,
• 1:26:48
  because that's the channeling sickness, that's the double vision, right, because that's
• 1:26:55
  not insanity anymore. That's not channeling sickness that he's getting. That's just the
• 1:27:00
  the double vision twisted his insides twisted his rage too. Yeah, so that
• 1:27:05
  doubleness, that that nausea that he's getting because he's getting the rage from Morden.
• 1:27:11
  I think a lot of this rage out of nowhere. Yes, it's
• 1:27:13
  insanity, but I also also think it's being driven by in the same way
• 1:27:17
  that Morden's feeling his body, he's feeling Morgan's rage. And we have no
• 1:27:21
  idea why Morden's angry at this point. It could be Grand Doll's given him
• 1:27:27
  guff. It could be I mean, come on, the dark the dark
• 1:27:30
  side is getting their ask. Yeah, it could be anything, like,
• 1:27:31
  let's be honest with Yeah, it could be anything. So it's it's appropriate
• 1:27:35
  anger in this moment, but it's also yeah maybe yeah, that constructive wave
• 1:27:41
  creation that's making it worse than it could be, And it's not great.
• 1:27:45
  It's not great. Bouji's pointing out that Barra and Karuna were a pair together
• 1:27:50
  in the same way and became very close in the same way that uh Ramanda
• 1:27:55
  and Lelane are a pair. Yeah, yeah, because they get sent off
• 1:27:58
  together to do stuff, and so every time they show up, it's Bara
• 1:28:00
  and Karuna, this, Bara and Karuna that right, right, Yeah,
• 1:28:03
  they're very romane, except that they don't have a good portmanteau mash up that
• 1:28:08
  there's no good like combined name for them, Baruna Baruna. I guess it's
• 1:28:14
  not that different than Brunhilda. Sure, and yeah, I do feel like
• 1:28:16
  Katswain's counting to three things almost kind of made sense until she spanked him,
• 1:28:24
  Yeah, because at which point I lose all respect for her process, like
• 1:28:27
  no, no, no, you. I was willing to see where you
• 1:28:30
  went, and I don't like it now that you've landed. But it's it's
• 1:28:33
  it's Robert Jordan saying that she's punishing him like a child. Now we can
• 1:28:39
  say that the punishment of the child of the day was spanking. We don't
• 1:28:43
  agree with that, Robert Jordna's the thing about spanking, we would punish a
• 1:28:46
  child in a different way. So in my head, I'm kind of going,
• 1:28:48
  okay, let's just move on past the spanking and be like, Okay,
• 1:28:53
  let's look at like she Let's say she put him in a timeout yeah,
• 1:28:58
  or like insisted that he needed an right, or like made him drink
• 1:29:01
  a cup of apple juice. You will eat this gram cracker, get yourself
• 1:29:06
  a juice box. Yeah, yeah, it would be It would be really
• 1:29:11
  interesting to just mentally replace all of her the times that she spanks him with
• 1:29:15
  something that's like far more twenty twenty like gentle parenting appropriate, and just like
• 1:29:19
  see if that makes the scene flow better, you know, because I really
• 1:29:24
  feel like if she was like, go sit in the corner, min get
• 1:29:28
  him his crackers. Everyone shut up, We're not talking to him for ten
• 1:29:30
  minutes, I feel like this scene would flow way better. I'm gonna choose
• 1:29:38
  to believe that that's what happened. Animal crackers were deployed. And so this
• 1:29:42
  is again where Katswayne gives them some real good advice, which is basically like,
• 1:29:45
  hey, you set terms, and you said they could do anything else,
• 1:29:47
  and not that only they got through the terms, but they also got
• 1:29:49
  you some reparations, so like suck it up, yeah, and realize that
• 1:29:56
  you're gonna have to give those lands back to the rebels because they did go
• 1:30:00
  siated for it. Yeah, And sometimes that's how you have to resolve civil
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  wars. It's just do you want ty do you want the tyrants to be
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  a unified army behind you going into the last battle, or do you want
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  to be right? And she ends with this line when the terms you offer
• 1:30:15
  are accepted, hold to them, and Lewis Thearren falls up with else,
• 1:30:19
  no one will trust you, sounding entirely sane for the moment. Yeah,
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  Yeah, he's the same one. He's the same one. It's like he
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  knows people and kind of point that information and so he gives up inside it
• 1:30:33
  says, well, it looks like you're king darling. Yeah, because that's
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  one of the terms. Is that Tear switches from having its Council of lords
• 1:30:42
  as the top to actually having against Stuart. Yeah, they're actually because,
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  as it gets explained, it diffuses Rand's apparent power. If they decide on
• 1:30:53
  their own without being told that they're going to have a king, the king
• 1:30:57
  is completely divorce falle that dragon Shenanigan, Right, Yeah, and we swear
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  to the King of Tyr we have nothing to do with the dragon. We're
• 1:31:04
  ignoring the fact that the king Tear happens to be, you know, have
• 1:31:08
  sworn fealty to the dragon. But that's none of our business. Yes,
• 1:31:10
  we're just reporting to the king, like we don't care who's he's sworn to.
• 1:31:14
  It's really interesting that they're breaking one thousand years of not having a king
• 1:31:17
  to do that. Mm hmm. Well, a lot of change going on
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  right now. It's it's a funny way for the dragon to break all bonds,
• 1:31:26
  you know, Oh, the dragon will break all bonds. That means
• 1:31:28
  everyone's going to be you know, an anarchist communist running around the country side
• 1:31:31
  to do it. Now. Sometimes it means that republics decide to go back
• 1:31:34
  to a monarchy. Yep, I mean it's not really a republic, but
• 1:31:38
  I mean how monarchy? Yeah, I mean, come on, that was
• 1:31:40
  at best, it was an oligarchy at best. Yeah, but like they
• 1:31:44
  took pride in not being a monarchy, and now they're deciding to go back
• 1:31:48
  to being a monarchy. Like that is that is a very different kind of
• 1:31:51
  bond to be broken. And then yeah, King Darling gets to have his
• 1:31:55
  fortunes rise and decides that that's the moment to pop the question to Caroline and
• 1:32:00
  it's very yeah, oh I love where them on and an Ella's response to
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  them all hail King Darlin wear them on in tones sounding half strangled, and
• 1:32:11
  after a moment, i La echoed him as breathless, as if she'd run
• 1:32:14
  a mile, like they are so screwed as dark friends. They were told
• 1:32:18
  to keep that from happening. That's their it's your goddamn job is to keep
• 1:32:23
  something from happening. And Rand just comes in and it's like, I'm gonna
• 1:32:26
  use my legendary action to completely negate everything you did. That's why I wear
• 1:32:30
  them on risked the attack he was The goal was to set the negotiations back
• 1:32:34
  to zero, to keep that tier from having a king and a stable government,
• 1:32:39
  and just they lost it. They lost it all because are dark friends
• 1:32:43
  and they're bad at their job. And men suggest really volunteers a design out
• 1:32:48
  of the future, which is just such a trippy thing. They're like,
• 1:32:51
  well, I'm gonna have to get a crown maiden. Without even waiting for
• 1:32:55
  them to debate it, She's just like, I'll just tell you what the
• 1:32:57
  finished product looks like. I can tell you how look if you like.
• 1:33:00
  That was one of my favorite lines because I was just like, wait,
• 1:33:02
  how does men know how it looks? And I was like the vision I
• 1:33:05
  don't know. That line sticks with me for some reason. It's like a
• 1:33:08
  really cool moment. It's just like yeah, yeah, yeah it is.
• 1:33:12
  It's really good payoff because it is. It was one of those early visions
• 1:33:15
  where she's like, yeah, I've seen Darling with it with a crown and
• 1:33:17
  you're like, wait, what, Like they don't even have kings. How
• 1:33:20
  are they going to get kings? Like I can't become a gang of a
• 1:33:24
  land that doesn't have kings, And here you find out yeah, they like
• 1:33:29
  they basically elected him king. Yeah that just happened. And she's like,
• 1:33:32
  yeah, let's just skip all the artistic back and forth because I know the
• 1:33:35
  design you're going to land on. So and Caroline says essentially yes, I'll
• 1:33:41
  marry you, but she dresses it up as a no. She's like,
• 1:33:44
  well, I will marry you if I like the way the crown looks on
• 1:33:47
  you, which is saying yes, because like clearly Min's crown design is not
• 1:33:53
  the deciding factor here. It's a very like tug in cheek wink and a
• 1:33:56
  no. It's super cute. I love them so much because she's like,
• 1:34:00
  I don't know if I want to be queen, but maybe if the crown
• 1:34:01
  looks good, you know, I was like yeah, ah ah, yeah,
• 1:34:05
  yeah yeah, if the shoe fits, yeah, it's great. I
• 1:34:10
  ran, of course, interrupts the romantic stuff and goes anyway, they're more
• 1:34:12
  important matters, and I neive and Man are both like, shut the fuck
• 1:34:15
  up. This is romantic. They need to get this out, like yeah,
• 1:34:20
  stop it, yeah, which you know, accurate, correct response,
• 1:34:25
  and uh, all I've got left is the readout for for you to do.
• 1:34:29
  That was a good chapter. And take us on out and me Lord
• 1:34:34
  Dragon, Whereamon asked avidly, he all but quivered with your eagerness, managing
• 1:34:40
  to strut while standing still. If there's fighting to be done, I can
• 1:34:45
  serve you better there than languishing in Kyrie Anne. Rand studied the Man and
• 1:34:49
  ian Ella, where m On was a bungling idiot, and he trusted neither,
• 1:34:54
  but he could not see what harm they could do with no more than
• 1:34:57
  a handful of followers. Very well, you two may accompany high lord,
• 1:35:01
  that is King Darlin. Ianella gulped, as though she for one would rather
• 1:35:05
  return to Kyrie Anne. But what am I supposed to do? In Ora
• 1:35:10
  Domon? Darlin wanted to know the little. I've heard of that land.
• 1:35:13
  It's a madhouse. Lois there and laughed wildly, and Rand said, Tarman
• 1:35:17
  Guiden is coming soon. Rand said, the light sent not too soon.
• 1:35:23
  You are going to Ara Domon to get ready for Tarman Guide. And as
• 1:36:09
  we know, the hut was kind of the starting you know, we've we've
• 1:36:13
  had the starting gun. The countdown has begun. Yeah, it's the fin
• 1:36:17
  cant Yeah. And I guess the only other thing. Uh, we never
• 1:36:24
  get any success in Ericdomon, right, we get the whole like sacks of
• 1:36:28
  grain thing going on. But Darlin never has any success in erondom On.
• 1:36:32
  No. No, Darlin does what he can, which is basically, well,
• 1:36:38
  I mean he does, yeah, he has nothing to do. He
• 1:36:42
  is I believe where I believe Tyr is where all of the uniforms and stuff
• 1:36:47
  come through. When Rand goes back and discovers that all the grain is good
• 1:36:50
  and is doing his Zen Rand thing, and it's like all these men get
• 1:36:53
  them uniforms and get them cleaned up. And I believe it is tier that
• 1:36:58
  he gate weighs all the resources in from. But yeah, Darlin himself is
• 1:37:01
  never really on scene to do anything like that. But It's still a momentous
• 1:37:09
  thing for Rand to say, you are going to anywhere to to prepare for
• 1:37:14
  Tarmin guide on like that is a momentous thing for Rand to say, regardless
• 1:37:17
  of the city in question or nation in question. Yes, right, right,
• 1:37:21
  this is this is no longer and this isn't like oh yeah, we're
• 1:37:25
  building up nations and we need to get ready for Tarmin guide and then yeah,
• 1:37:28
  this is like no, you're going there because the next stop is hell
• 1:37:32
  is it Armageddon? Right? Like we are we are, you know,
• 1:37:36
  one last pit stop to get ready for it, and then we're off to
• 1:37:40
  see the Wizard. Yeah, yeah, we're gearing up all right. Yeah,
• 1:37:47
  no, that was that was fun. There was a lot of a
• 1:37:48
  lot of good payoffs in that chapter, a lot of uh, you know,
• 1:37:53
  we sort of got the end of a storyline with the rebels, right,
• 1:37:57
  we're starting to end storylines, We're starting to wrap things up. We're
• 1:38:00
  starting to really set up the last battle. We are writing determined guidance.
• 1:38:02
  Yeah, Land's on his way, Darling's on his way like check a check
• 1:38:09
  at checka. The train is getting invented and pulling out of the station.
• 1:38:13
  All right, And I think with that I'll turn the RECORDINGO off. All
• 1:38:15
  right, thank you so much everyone. I need to remember to let Audacity
• 1:38:25
  update student so it stops asking me before it forces me into it at an
• 1:38:30
  awkward time. Did we ever figure out if Audacity got like like I heard,
• 1:38:33
  they got this weird hostile takeover where they were going to put in a
• 1:38:36
  bunch of weird spyware or something, I don't remember the details. And then
• 1:38:42
  like it, there was such a protest that I thought it got delayed,
• 1:38:45
  and then I wasn't sure if it got canceled. It was one of those
• 1:38:48
  Internet moments and I never I knew about it at the time, but I
• 1:38:53
  wasn't sure if we ever got a resolution to it. I haven't followed up
• 1:38:57
  on it. I think about that almost every time I start up on us
• 1:39:00
  because I never, you know, like changed away from it, because it's
• 1:39:02
  just the software that works. Yeah, I've never seen a fall. I've
• 1:39:08
  never sought out any follow up to it, and it hasn't come across my
• 1:39:12
  desk either way. I have not done my homework. But also no one
• 1:39:15
  has presented me with, you know, a thing to notice, So I
• 1:39:20
  don't know, and as far as I know, you recording yourself is the
• 1:39:24
  only use we make of it, right, because you don't edit with it,
• 1:39:27
  and I don't record with it or edit with it, right Yeah.
• 1:39:30
  Yeah, Audacity is purely there to capture the audio waves an export at MP
• 1:39:33
  three, which then goes to a completely different machine and a completely different daw
• 1:39:38
  digital audio work station for all all editing everything. Yeah. I actually wonder
• 1:39:45
  if I could do Reaper for recording. You can no, or I can
• 1:39:51
  no, I mean, you totally can. I just the reasons why I'm
• 1:39:55
  not doing that why I'm using Audacity instead of Reaper are because anyway, signal
• 1:40:01
  chain and computer stuff that is not interesting podcast material anyway, moving on,
• 1:40:09
  Well you want you don't want to talk shop? That's way too nerdy for
• 1:40:12
  our dear listeners. Anything interesting going on? I stabbed myself with a burning
• 1:40:17
  stick in the throat. Yeah, don't do that. PSA. Yeah.
• 1:40:24
  Pro tip guys, if you're picking up branches and you're a burning fire and
• 1:40:27
  shoving them into the fire, be very careful that one of them doesn't flip
• 1:40:30
  around and stab you in the neck, because then you'll have a really awkward
• 1:40:35
  burn on your throat. And it's just very silly. It's the worst fire
• 1:40:41
  injury I've ever given myself. I think it looks a bit like you got
• 1:40:44
  bit with a one tooth vampire. Like he was going for that like one
• 1:40:47
  neck bite. Yeah, like he was like missing one for work, and
• 1:40:51
  so you got just like ah, oh without wait that was one bite?
• 1:40:55
  What the hell? Yeah? Yeah, it looks like a pretty deep red
• 1:41:00
  burn mark right on the side of your throat. Yeah, it's kind of
• 1:41:02
  almost like a cigarette burn or something like. Yeah that because I just like
• 1:41:05
  straight on with like it was like a whippy little branch, you know.
• 1:41:09
  It just like there's a whole tangle of like whippy little shrub branches or apple
• 1:41:13
  suckers or something, you know. And yeah, it's just be careful with
• 1:41:19
  fire, kids and adults. It's dangerous. And it very easily could have
• 1:41:26
  been like my eye or my nose or something that's much less durable than just
• 1:41:30
  like my throat, you know, like, yeah, it's fine, it's
• 1:41:32
  just skin whatever, but like they all happened so fast it very easily could
• 1:41:38
  have been my face. Yeah, so careful about there. That's That's all
• 1:41:45
  I have to report, is the perpetual sensation of healing on my throat,
• 1:41:48
  reminding me to be very careful with fire. That's that's what's going on with
• 1:41:51
  me. Ah, you must be careful with fire and protect your spirit.
• 1:42:00
  Fire and spirit. Yes, and well, just this weaven gateways, there's
• 1:42:04
  a there's a there's a point about fire and spirit I'm gonna make later on
• 1:42:08
  in the chapter. So I'm foreshadowing, oh for fire and spirit. Okay,
• 1:42:12
  all right, I had too much of fire and not enough spirit.
• 1:42:17
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