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9-30 H1: What's On Tap, ABC's & Chalk Talk · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Well, great morning to you.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome in to the radio program that is Chuck in
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  Speaker 2: the Morning. Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM. Oh, I do
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  Speaker 2: love a Wednesday. Happy hump day to you all. It
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  Speaker 2: is the hump day edition of the radio program this week,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll fill you in on everything that entails coming
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  Speaker 2: up on the show, including our first look at the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks opponent. That always starts on a Wednesday with us anyway,
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  Speaker 2: and so we welcome you into the show. And when
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  Speaker 2: I say we, I mean Anders Hurst, a new fixture
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  Speaker 2: here in the mornings. My name is Chuck Powell. You've
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  Speaker 2: had to deal with me for over a decade. And,
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  Speaker 2: of course, our new producer who started yesterday, Christopher Kidd,
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  Speaker 2: is back. My goodness, did you see the positive reaction
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  Speaker 2: to the Christopher Kidd return to KJR?
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  Speaker 1: I want to leave and come back. They don't give
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  Speaker 1: you that. Get that kind of treatment. Seriously.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a long time since anyone said a kind
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  Speaker 2: word about me.
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  Speaker 1: I know, right?
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  Speaker 3: I can't say I'm surprised that Chris was one of
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  Speaker 3: the more beloved people. uh, voices on KJR. So, uh,
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  Speaker 3: the response when he was able to return was, uh,
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  Speaker 3: was awesome to see.
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  Speaker 1: Good to support. Was it good to hear? Was it
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  Speaker 1: good to read? It was good.
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate all the love out there from listeners and
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  Speaker 4: even the staff here.
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  Speaker 1: That was cool. So appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Now I all read, I all, we all experienced like
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  Speaker 2: when we were kids, I was never the new kid
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  Speaker 2: at school. I stayed in the same school system my
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  Speaker 2: entire time. Uh, so, but, but there would be the
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  Speaker 2: occasional kid that would move into town and you know,
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  Speaker 2: There was either the one that had the real difficult
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  Speaker 2: time adapting, and that usually meant that he wasn't handsome
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  Speaker 2: or she wasn't pretty. Because the handsome kid or the
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  Speaker 2: pretty girl, oh my gosh, were they treated like a
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  Speaker 2: king and queen when they moved to your town. Oh, geez,
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  Speaker 2: Ginny Arbor. Oh, forget about it. You kidding me? It's
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  Speaker 2: the new thing, you know? It's the new thing, and
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  Speaker 2: then you would see them, and you're like, oh.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I'd kind of like to change schools once. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just so I get that kind of treatment.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe see what that kind of feels like. I was
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  Speaker 2: a pretty handsome young boy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was about to say, and then you realize that
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  Speaker 3: I probably would not because I don't fall into that category.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no. Firmly in that category. No longer. No longer.
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  Speaker 1: But firmly in.
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  Speaker 2: That category as a child. Oh, I was a teen idol.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I sat there, you know, you sit there
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  Speaker 2: and do it. But what is it like? I don't
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  Speaker 2: even remember. I don't even recall the kid that like
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  Speaker 2: moved away and then you were all sad that he
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  Speaker 2: moved away. True. And then because he was popular and
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  Speaker 2: everybody liked him or her. And then, you know, they
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  Speaker 2: move back. I don't even recall a person like that
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  Speaker 2: from school. Right. You recall anybody like that when you
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  Speaker 2: were growing up?
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  Speaker 3: There might have been a couple instances of like maybe
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  Speaker 3: not moving schools, but people who went on either exchange
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  Speaker 3: trips for a year or something, or maybe they just
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  Speaker 3: they're Parents went on sabbatical or something. I think I
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  Speaker 3: remember one of my friends, and they were gone for
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  Speaker 3: multiple months. But then when they came back, it was like.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, hey, I remember you, but welcome back. It's good
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  Speaker 1: to see you again, sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Did your parents go on sabbatical, kid? Did your dad
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  Speaker 2: just decide, I'm going to spend the rest of my
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  Speaker 2: life following the cowboys around the country?
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  Speaker 1: You know, he actually did. Really?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm taking my entire family with me.
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  Speaker 4: He's a huge Cowboys fan, and every week I have
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  Speaker 4: to call him, and we have to talk about the week.
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  Speaker 4: But it's also like, damn, Dad, the Cowboys again. Or
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  Speaker 4: when they win, it's like my dad's happy, smiling. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: calling him last Sunday, it was like I could just
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  Speaker 4: see him not really being excited because they just lost
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  Speaker 4: in a terrible way.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, just to prove my teen idledom. Guess
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  Speaker 2: who Jenny Arbor dated when she moved to town in
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  Speaker 2: the fifth grade?
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  Speaker 1: That guy? Chuck Powell. Or should we say the real name, Charles?
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It was Chuck. It was always Chuck.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why. But it was always Chuck. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Just like I'm always Anders, even though my full name
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  Speaker 1: is Anderson. Did you always go by Anders? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But Christopher calls me Anderson. That's your name.
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  Speaker 2: Is it not?
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 1: All right. There we go. Case closed. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And that's weird, too, because I do have people throughout
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  Speaker 2: my life, like, I won't get into the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: But I have people in my life that have called
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  Speaker 2: me Charles. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But only like one or two.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Like it's almost like somebody, whoever claims it, like
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  Speaker 2: sticks their flag into it.
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  Speaker 1: I will not call you anything else. You get that.
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  Speaker 2: Like my grandpa was the only person, the only person
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  Speaker 2: that called me Charlie, the only person in my entire life.
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  Speaker 1: And I corrected everybody but him. Like, no.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it got to the point I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: That belongs to my grandfather.
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  Speaker 1: Say it again.
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  Speaker 2: I'll punch you in the mouth. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that sort of thing. It's not even that
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't your name. It's the fact that that's only
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  Speaker 3: my grandfather. Only my grandfather gets to say it.
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  Speaker 2: Hell, I had a guy on my high school basketball team.
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  Speaker 2: He was two years older than me, but he kind
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  Speaker 2: of took me under his wing a little bit when
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  Speaker 2: I was like a. A freshman and sophomore, his name,
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  Speaker 2: Mike Rathgib was his name. And he called me Chucky.
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  Speaker 2: He was the only person that was allowed to call
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  Speaker 2: me Chucky my entire life.
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  Speaker 1: He's the only one that got away with that. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so anyway, it's weird how that.
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  Speaker 1: Happens during your existence.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, yes, kid is back with us. His parents
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  Speaker 2: went on a sabbatical.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't know if we were ever going to see
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  Speaker 1: him again.
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  Speaker 2: But he has returned to a hero's welcome.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, day number two with the full crew now in place.
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  Speaker 2: And some things, though, are just not going to change.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to get Reckless at breakfast and a lot
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  Speaker 2: of other things a little bit later on in the show. Also,
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  Speaker 2: one of our new features that we've introduced here in
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  Speaker 2: the last week or two, Uh, we'll, uh, map that
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  Speaker 2: out for you with, uh, what's on tap. But another
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  Speaker 2: thing that, uh, hasn't changed no matter the personnel is
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  Speaker 2: that on Wednesday, we start looking ahead to the Seahawks
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  Speaker 2: next opponent. It is a hump day. Uh, and now
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  Speaker 2: we prepare for the Los Angeles chargers. And this is
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  Speaker 2: very strange because on one hand, um, I mean, when
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  Speaker 2: you got the schedule, you did think, even though it
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  Speaker 2: was a home, this is going to be one of
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  Speaker 2: the tougher, not one of the toughest, uh, but one
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  Speaker 2: of the tougher games on the schedule. And now all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, here come the 0-3 Los Angeles Chargers,
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  Speaker 2: one of the least efficient offensive teams in the National
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  Speaker 2: Football League, which we thought might be a strength. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: not only did you have Jim Harbaugh and Justin Herbert
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  Speaker 2: and Omari and Hampton in his second full season, but
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  Speaker 2: You had Mike McDaniels coming in to call the shots offensively.
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  Speaker 2: And what could he do to this offense? And everyone
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  Speaker 2: was saying draft Omari and Hampton. McDaniels was going to
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  Speaker 2: break him loose and all of this stuff in your
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  Speaker 2: fantasy league. So there was this element. The Chargers were
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  Speaker 2: a real interesting, from a positive perspective, team. And so instead,
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  Speaker 2: what we get three games into the season is sort
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  Speaker 2: of this already broken down. Everybody's questioning everything. Shouldn't you
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  Speaker 2: have known McDaniels was not going to marry with Harbaugh's philosophy?
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  Speaker 2: Harbaugh's a run between the tackles, let's run first kind
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  Speaker 2: of guy. And now you wake up this morning after
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  Speaker 2: two years of Jim Harbaugh acting like Justin Herbert was
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  Speaker 2: some sort of football god that landed on earth in
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  Speaker 2: an egg. and hatched just for him. You know, that
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  Speaker 2: he gets to take this quarterback, this dream quarterback, and
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  Speaker 2: effusive in his praise for two years. And here we
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  Speaker 2: have this Chargers team, Anders, limping into town with an
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  Speaker 2: 0-3 record. Everybody in Los Angeles and, let's face it,
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  Speaker 2: San Diego, those were the real Charger fans, questioning why
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  Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel is even there at this point. And even
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  Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh criticized Justin Herbert this week when asked about
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  Speaker 2: his play.
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  Speaker 1: He just said, be better. That was his response. Be better.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the closest.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he hadn't even come close to criticizing Justin Herbert.
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  Speaker 2: He hadn't come close to saying anything that wasn't. He's
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  Speaker 2: a football god. And now, all of a sudden, as
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  Speaker 2: we get ready to face the Chargers... We have them
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  Speaker 2: questioning everything. I even read an article this morning, who's
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  Speaker 2: on the hot seat in the NFL. And the picture
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  Speaker 2: that accompanied the story was Jim Harbaugh, who would have
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  Speaker 2: ever guessed three games into the season that Jim Harbaugh
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  Speaker 2: might lead someone's list for head coaches on a hot seat.
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  Speaker 2: And so this is just not the team we thought
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  Speaker 2: we were going to play. And that in and of itself,
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  Speaker 2: seems like a positive for a Seahawks team coming off
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  Speaker 2: its first loss, an uncharacteristic loss against the commanders. But
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  Speaker 2: on the flip side, we're not going to face a
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  Speaker 2: team more desperate for a win than what the Chargers
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  Speaker 2: are going to be on Sunday. So it's interesting from
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  Speaker 2: that standpoint. I mean, what are we facing? I don't
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  Speaker 2: even know what we're facing on Sunday. The biggest thing
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  Speaker 2: is what you just said. It's the desperation factor. That's
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  Speaker 2: the thing that I think would be the only kind
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  Speaker 2: of thing going against the Seahawks here because the Seahawks
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  Speaker 2: themselves are coming off a loss, so they're going to
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  Speaker 2: want to get right game. They're coming back home for
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  Speaker 2: the first time in three weeks, which I think is
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  Speaker 2: a big deal. You know, being on the road, East
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  Speaker 2: Coast trip and all that stuff, a couple tough games, that–
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  Speaker 2: Coming home to the 12s, being kind of in your
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  Speaker 2: home environment, it kind of is a perfect way to
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  Speaker 2: get things back on track here for Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: But you're right. I do think with the Chargers....
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  Speaker 3: They have the tools that a lot of people loved.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone's been hyping up Justin Herbert for the past three years.
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  Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh was seen to be this guy that would
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  Speaker 3: come in and fix the defense. And then he hired
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  Speaker 3: the guru of offensive philosophy in Mike McDaniel coming out
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  Speaker 3: of Miami. But it just hasn't clicked for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what it is in my mind, but
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  Speaker 3: there's something that's kind of worried that, okay, what if
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  Speaker 3: it all comes together for this game specifically? And one
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  Speaker 3: of the things that Hugh Millen mentioned after the commanders game,
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  Speaker 3: one of the first things he said on Monday morning
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  Speaker 3: quarterback was you're going to get the best shot of
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  Speaker 3: every team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And that's kind of something that I've kept in my
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  Speaker 3: mind going into this game thinking, man, I know they
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  Speaker 3: struggled and I know they've had a pretty easy schedule
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  Speaker 3: actually off the off the rip. but this could be
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  Speaker 3: the one where they put everything together for the, just
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  Speaker 3: not even thinking about the opponent, just for themselves. So that's,
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  Speaker 3: that's the only thing that's worrying me because everything else
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  Speaker 3: tells me the Seahawks are going to adjust everything that's
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  Speaker 3: needed to be adjusted and get right for this game.
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  Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean, the psychology of sports, the mentality
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  Speaker 2: of the approach cannot be underestimated.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: Like the, the tape, pretty much tells the story. This
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  Speaker 2: is a struggling team, can't find its identity. Herbert's in
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  Speaker 2: a really bad way. He's not married to the concepts
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  Speaker 2: that Mike McDaniels introduced. That's telling, and that's probably the.
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  Speaker 1: Most telling thing.
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  Speaker 2: But we play this fact or fiction, and almost every
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  Speaker 2: single pick that I make, and I've had a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of success. I mean, I'm not, you know, Jimmy
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  Speaker 2: the Greek over here.
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  Speaker 1: Just a two-time show winner in the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: But the point is, I'm not clueless when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to making.
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  Speaker 2: fact or fiction picks unless I've not done any homework
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  Speaker 2: like we had yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: It's true.
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  Speaker 2: Where it caught me off guard. But I'm not clueless
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to making picks. And usually what I
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  Speaker 2: lean on is where is this team's mentality? That's usually
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  Speaker 2: the game that I pick. And with the Chargers, if
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  Speaker 2: you believe at all in the talent that people bragged
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  Speaker 2: about before the season started, From a mental approach, no
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  Speaker 2: team should be more desperate, them or the Houston Texans,
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  Speaker 2: to win this week. I mean, this could be the
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowl for them. The Texans are taking on the
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  Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys this week. There should be no game this season,
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  Speaker 2: regular season, Until maybe you get to the point where
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  Speaker 2: if you win, you're in. Where you're mathematically eliminated. There
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  Speaker 2: won't be a game the Chargers play this year where
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  Speaker 2: they're going to play more desperate than they do this Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: But even with that said, you cannot ignore. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's not going to carry the day. If they don't
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  Speaker 2: fix their execution, then... you can be as desperate for
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  Speaker 2: a win as you want. You can play as hard
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  Speaker 2: as you want. By the way, the Seahawks are coming
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  Speaker 2: off a loss themselves where they feel a little embarrassed.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to be a little desperate too, and they're
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  Speaker 2: going to have the 12s behind them in this game.
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  Speaker 2: So whatever artificial energy that you try to insert into
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  Speaker 2: this game, boy... I don't know if you can muster
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  Speaker 2: enough that can mask all of the flaws that have
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  Speaker 2: shown up on tape for the Chargers, because they do
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  Speaker 2: look like a broken team right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it feels like this kind of matchup for
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  Speaker 3: a non-conference matchup, Chargers-Seahawks in Week 4... For both teams,
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  Speaker 3: it's weirdly, like you said, charged, I think is a
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  Speaker 3: good word to put it. Because, like you said, Seahawks
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  Speaker 3: coming off a loss. I mentioned that the next four
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  Speaker 3: weeks for the Seahawks looks like kind of a little
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  Speaker 3: mini gauntlet as a tough part of their schedule. So
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  Speaker 3: they're going to feel like they need to win this game. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: the Chargers are 0-3. They were not expecting to be
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  Speaker 3: in this situation. So they're in a desperation mode themselves.
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  Speaker 3: So for a week four non-conference matchup, this is about as...
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  Speaker 3: important of a game for both of these teams.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's Justin Herbert, who everybody's been waiting on
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  Speaker 2: to become great.
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  Speaker 1: And he's been really good. He's been really good.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe has elicited more sympathy from football fans than
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: just about any player in the league. Man, what if
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Justin Herbert just had an offensive line? His line's been
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: beaten up. He gets no time to throw. Oh, he
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  Speaker 2: gets beaten up.
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  Speaker 1: He's so tough. Oh, my gosh, he's playing in a cast. Oh, jeez,
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  Speaker 1: he's bleeding and bruised. What if he had a run game?
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  Speaker 2: He keeps standing up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's been given basically a run game guru. Joe
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  Speaker 2: Alt and Rashawn Slater, who the franchise spent two top
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  Speaker 2: 13 picks on.
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  Speaker 1: Alt, I think, was fifth. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They're healthy, both of them healthy at tackle. And yet
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  Speaker 2: he's having more trouble staying upright this year Or as much.
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  Speaker 2: I'll say as much. I won't say more because he's
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  Speaker 2: had a lot of trouble. He's always on the field.
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  Speaker 2: He is always having to pick himself up. And there's
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  Speaker 2: no questioning Justin Herbert's toughness. I mean, that guy is
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  Speaker 2: a tough son of a gun. He has taken beatings
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  Speaker 2: and he just keeps getting up and going back in
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  Speaker 2: for more.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm almost.
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  Speaker 2: to the point where maybe psychologically with Justin Herbert, he
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  Speaker 2: thinks that's how football is supposed to be played. Finally,
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  Speaker 2: we are hearing conversations from the Kurt Warners and Dan
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  Speaker 2: Orlovskis of the world, not just NFL analysts, but NFL
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  Speaker 2: analysts that played quarterback and in Warner's case, at least,
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  Speaker 2: played it well and didn't just run out of the
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  Speaker 2: back of the end zone for their one highlight in
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  Speaker 2: their career.
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  Speaker 1: Back up Matthew Stafford. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But we are hearing them finally say he's got to
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  Speaker 2: stop tapping the football. He's got to just let it rip.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the same rules apply to him as they
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  Speaker 2: do to every other great quarterback or good quarterback in
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  Speaker 2: the National Football League or bad quarterback in the National
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  Speaker 2: Football League. And Herbert's gotten a free pass because, once again,
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  Speaker 2: it's like David Carr saying, When he was taken number
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  Speaker 2: one by the Texans, oh, if he just had a line. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you can't keep talking about that for 15 years. The
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  Speaker 2: art of quarterback play is to avoid being sacked. The
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  Speaker 2: art of quarterback play is the pre-snap read. The art
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  Speaker 2: of quarterback play is trusting that you have the throw
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: and the route and you're on the same page. You've
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: got to read the play and you've got to trust
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: that your throw is going to get there. You have
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: to take risks in the National Football League. And he's
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: been padding that damn football ever since he got into
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: the league. And people have just worn out the excuse
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: of his bad offensive line. I mean, it is time.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: And this is why Jim Harbaugh finally said, be better.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: And that's as close to criticism as he's probably going
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: to come to Justin Herbert. But it is time for
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: him to show that, hey, first of all, it's time
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: to criticize him like we would everybody else in the
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: National Football League. And it's time for him. I don't
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: care how bad the line is. I don't care how
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: confused you are by a new system. It's time for
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: you to start making plays. Otherwise, we're going to start
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: writing you off because you've been given the benefit of
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: the doubt for a long, long period of time in
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: this National Football League. I'll say this from the Seahawks perspective.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I hope he doesn't figure it out this week. I mean,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: he's talented enough that it might click one day and
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: he might end up being one of the greats in
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: the game. He's got everything it takes to be one
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: of the greats in the game, but he has reached
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: the point in his career where we don't want to
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: hear the excuses anymore for why Justin Herbert hasn't risen
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: his game. It's not like he's been bad. No, it's
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: not like the chargers have been bad. I mean, they've
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: been a playoff caliber team since Harbaugh has arrived on
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: the scene, but But this season, it seems like everything
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: that people thought all this good was going to start
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: coming together for Justin Herbert and the Chargers and Jim Harbaugh,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: it's been just the opposite. They've taken a step back
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: in all of those areas that people made excuses for.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: And so let's continue to make his life miserable for
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: at least one more week as the Chargers get into
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: town to take on the Seahawks this Sunday. Let's find
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: out what's on tap for the rest of the show.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: You know, I was in the fifth grade. She was
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: my squeeze, my main squeeze. Yeah, your bae. Yeah. I
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: don't think we called it that back then. Yeah, probably not.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: We were just going together. That's what we used to
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: call it. I don't know if they still do.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it had her name on it and then
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: mine on the inside.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Wow. Because as a 10-year-old, I was romantic AF. Yeah,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: that sounds about right. Yeah. Does it sound right? I
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: think that does sound like a Chuck Fowler story. Yeah,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway. I don't think that didn't get me
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: to first base. Yeah, you had some game. That got
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: me to first base. All right.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: And then later in life, I met her at like
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: 30 and made a dishonest woman out of her. Anyway,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: let's talk some ABCs of the M's. Let's start with
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: the letter F. F is for fielding. Jerry DiPoto did
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: cover this in his press conference, how disappointed he was
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: in the defense. I would say, from a critical standpoint,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: that it was something that Anders and I talked about
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: a lot in our stove podcast leading all the way
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: up to opening pitch, our off-season podcast. we were both
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: excited about the roster and the prospects for the team
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: in 2026. And sometimes when you get bogged down in
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: one way or the other, if you get bogged down
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: in the negative, you don't see the positive. And sometimes
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: when you are excited about something that you don't highlight
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the negative. And so there were times where Anders and
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I would take time out of our podcast or I
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: would take time out of our spring training coverage and
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: just mention, hey, if there's a weakness on this team,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: This defense looks very suspicious to me. Anders, not only
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: was it suspicious, it was the worst in Major League Baseball.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: And Jerry DiPoto really had no answer for it. I mean,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: he kind of took that one in the shorts. Like,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: we were really bad defensively, and Perry Hill was let go.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: And part of the reason for that was... We can't
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: have a last-place defensive team and then keep a guy
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: on this mantle as a defensive guru if we're not
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: getting the results. So he was part of the cleansing,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: if you will, of the coaching staff. And so we'll see.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, they need better personnel for a better defensive
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: team this season.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of the money quote that he had yesterday,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: or the Monday, I should say, was that.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: It's a choice to be a bad defensive player, which
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: I think you can read into that however you want.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: To me, it sounds like from his quotes after that
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: question was, I think he blames most of it on coaching.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Not the fact that they weren't an elite team, you know,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: a defensive team. But you can't be that bad of
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: a defensive team just by personnel alone. So I wonder
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: how much he thinks the coaching changes will affect that
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: because he also mentioned just regression from previously good defensive players.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I think the main one that I think of is
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Julio Rodriguez. who was an elite defensive player and turned
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: into a below average defensive player overnight, basically.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Well, Cal was a below, far below defensive player. I
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: think it had something to do with his injury. I mean,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: you just don't go from 38% caught stealing to 13%
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: caught stealing. Josh Naylor, I think he was the main
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: culprit of the F is for focus issue. I thought
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: he played lackadaisically far too much, especially in the first
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: half of the season.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: But J.P.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Crawford, who you ended up making your starting shortstop at
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: the beginning of the year, that wasn't anything but good old-fashioned.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have the talent to play the position anymore.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: He didn't have the arm strength. He didn't have the range.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: And he didn't even consistently make the routine plays, which
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: is what Perry Hill said. Well, I'll defend J.P. Crawford
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: to the end of the days because in our system,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: we want to at least make the routine plays. Well,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: he wasn't making the routine plays, and primarily because he
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: didn't have the arm strength to throw the ball from
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: deep short to Josh Naylor at first base.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you look at the other infield positions, he
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: didn't really have a third baseman all year long. You
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: tried to put Brendan Donovan there. He gets injured. Then
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: you have to bring up Weston Wills. And he was
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: bad before he got hurt. He was bad.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: When he came back, though, he was actually much better somehow.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know what happened. I don't know if he
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: took goofy pills or what while he was on injury list.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe the tradeoff to that was you get injured
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: again and then miss the rest of the year.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Goofy glove pills. Cole Young. You can get them at Walgreens.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Cole Young. Goofy glove pills.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I wish I could, you know, get into that, but
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: it's Whatever. Cole Young, second base, I think was definitely
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: a positive out of everyone. Dom Canzone and Wright was
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: fine about what you expect.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Him to be. He's never going to be good.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: No, he's never going to be good. So that's just
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: expectations wise. Randy, of course, was a topic for discussion.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: I actually think towards the second half of last year,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Randy's defense got a lot better. But of course, he's
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: not going to be here next year as expected. basically
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: everyone has come to the conclusion of.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: At least they're aware. One of the biggest problems with people,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: they don't fix things. Something that's obvious about them is
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: that for whatever reason, they're not aware. At least Jerry
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: recognized how bad the defense was this year, and I'm
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: certain he's going to do things to try and fix
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: it this offseason. G is for glaring. I don't know
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: if this stands out to other people. I don't even
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: know if People from Seattle even wanted to watch playoff
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: baseball last night. But I watched quite a bit yesterday,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to tell you something, and I don't
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: think I'm making it up.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe you noticed it. Maybe you didn't.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think I'm making this up. Every single team
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs, all the good teams in baseball, Yankees,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Red Sox particularly, they were so discerning about their ABS challenges.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, they had a plan for what they were
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: going to challenge. It wasn't that they got everything right.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: No.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that they didn't miss anything. But when they
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: used their challenges, it felt like the right time to
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: use them. I watched a baseball team for 162 games
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: this year that just indiscriminately used whenever a player thought, no,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: you got that wrong, he challenged. And we were as bad.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Were we the worst? I know Josh Naylor was the worst.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: It was bottom five as a team, I think. I know.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Well, Mitch Garver saved us from that front because he
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: was so good. But in terms of at the plate,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine anybody was worse. And it was because
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: of how we used the ABS challenge system. And if
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: that's not a clear indication that there wasn't anybody holding
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: people accountable, then I don't know what is. This is
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: a brand new thing that was introduced to the sport
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: this year. Fans embraced it. Teams embraced it. And we
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: used it. You're supposed to use it to bolster you.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: And we were so bad at it. I mean... and
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: yet never changed our philosophy. I had conversations in spring
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: training with numerous Mariners players, and Cowles was the one
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: that stood out the most, and how he wanted to
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: make sure that this year that it's not about getting
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: the call overturned, it's about using it in the right situation,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: saving it for the right situation. We were atrocious at it,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: and everybody knew we were atrocious at it, and yet
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: there was absolutely no change to how we approached it.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: If that doesn't lie at Dan Wilson's feet, then I
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: don't know what does. Even those moments where we weren't
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: using them in the ninth when we had two challenges,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: the rare occasion that we saved both of our challenges,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: and then in tight games wouldn't use the challenges in
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: the ninth inning.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Or didn't have them because you used them early. No,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: but that's what I'm saying.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: But even beyond the ones that you use, when you
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: did save them, you still weren't using them, and then
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: you would just keep them in a jar somewhere. I mean,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: we had a walk-off strikeout with two challenges remaining. Cole
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Young was the batter and the ball was out of
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: the strike zone and he did not challenge it. Our
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: use of the ABS challenge system was atrocious. And if
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: you watch the games last night, you can see that
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Not every team operated that way. Every other team had
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: a sound, principled philosophy about when to use challenges.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: And we never did. We never got our arms around it.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: And we were bad at it from the beginning of
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: the year all the way to the end of the year.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: 29th in win percentage. 29th out of 30.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: And that's with Mitch Garver being one of the best
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: in the entire sport. Yeah. Great morning to you all.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Chuck Powell, Anders Hirsch, and Christopher Kidd with you. Greg
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Bell's going to join us at 7.05, our Seahawks Insider,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: as he does most every day. We also have your
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: headlines at the top of the hour. But I do
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: want to tell you about something that we're going to
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: be doing next week. We're going to be broadcasting next
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Friday from Tulalip Resort Casino. You hear me talk about
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Tulalip Resort Casino all the time when all you want
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: is everything. Everythingtulalip.com. Well, there's been something that's been stewing
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: for years. I mean, ever since I arrived here over
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: a decade ago, There's been this conversation about, you know,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Hugh Millen. is one of a kind, no question about it,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: when it comes to analysis. And he's been now part
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: of KJR for like a quarter century. And where he goes,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: few people go on radio to break down for you
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: your favorite team. And sometimes this is why he comes
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: up with all of his popsicle analogies and his analog
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: clock analogies and everything else, because he's.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Trying to, or put out your left hand. Anders, put
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: up your left hand.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, JSN's your pinky. The mind's eye, he
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: likes to call it. Rashid Shaheed's your thumb. And he
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: does all that stuff. So he has to do that
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: stuff because it's radio. Because he's trying to paint the
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: best picture for you. where guys on television, they can
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: just show the play. put their stick up there, their
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: circle something, or whatever the case may be. Well, he
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: doesn't have that at his fingertips because we're in the medium,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: the glorious, wonderful medium of radio. And so fans have
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: always been talking about, listeners, I should say, have always
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: been talking about fans of Hugh that they love to
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: have a session with Hugh where he actually breaks film
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: down for them so they can actually see it. Well,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: we've been talking about doing this for a while. I
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: think it has been done before, but it's time for
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: another one. So Hugh Mellon's Chalk Talk, we're going to
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: do it from Tulalip Resort Casino. We're going to do
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: it next Thursday at five o'clock. It is, I mean,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: everybody can come.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: There's no charge.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Anybody can come to Tulalip Resort Casino next Thursday, October
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: 8th at 5 p.m. So we welcome everyone, but seats
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: are going to be limited. Therefore, you know, They could
• 30:41
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• 30:45
  Speaker 2: provide opportunities for you to lock in some seats. And
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: so be listening for that opportunity over the course of
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: the next few shows where we're going to give away
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: some assigned, assured seats. VIP kind of thing for you
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: at Tulalip Resort Casino for our Hugh Millen Chalk Talk
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: session next Thursday.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I will be there.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: And then I guess, man, we're going to get the
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: privilege of spending the night there at Tulalip Resort Casino.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited for that.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: And then wake up the next morning and do our
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: show from Tulalip Resort Casino with Hugh Millen. So, yeah,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: so that's going to be next week. Put it on
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: your radar. Obviously, we want as many people to come
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: out there. This is something that people that we run
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: into on the streets would like to be a part of.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Want to kind of see Hugh Millen visually. You've heard
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: about it audially for years, but visually kind of see
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: him do a breakdown of some film study. Well, he's
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: going to have something prepared for you next Thursday. Should
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: be a lot of fun.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to have like a sign-up sheet because
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: I'm sure this is going to be a super highly...
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: coveted event to attend. So we'll have more information coming
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: out regarding, you know, how to get your name to
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: secure a seat, as you were mentioning earlier. to come
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: and check out a film session, basically with Hugh Millen,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: which I'm excited for. It's going to be, you really
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: get to see the mind's eye of Hugh Millen, as
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: he likes to call it. So watch The Master, go
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: to work.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: So we're excited about it. People have been wanting one
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: of these for years, and so we're going to do
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: it next Thursday. A little deep dive into the plays
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: everyone is talking about using game film.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: From recent games.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: And Hugh will pull back the curtain and reveal what
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: broadcasters often miss. Next Thursday, October 8th, 5 o'clock, Tulalip
• 32:36
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• 32:38
  Speaker 2: to make sure you get those assigned seats. But right now,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: let's go ahead and work on that being part of
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: your schedule next week. Go ahead and tell the loved ones,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: tell the husband, hey, I'm not going to be able
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: to do our therapy session next Thursday. Hugh Millen's doing
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Chalk Talk, and you know how I've always wanted to.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Go see that. Need to be there. Yeah, yeah.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: All right, coming up next on our radio program, Greg
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Bell will join us. Plus, we've got your headlines for
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: you as well. Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.