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- Jenny O'Mahony: Hello and welcome to Off Topic. My name is Jenny. Samantha Potter: I'm Samantha. Meagan Smith: And I'm Megan. Jenny O'Mahony: And Samantha's channeling her smelly cat voice. Samantha Potter: So very beautiful. A few octaves too low. Jenny O'Mahony: Her her Phoebe Yeah. We'll get you to sing later. It's Meagan Smith: Her sexy voice. I feel for you. I feel so bad for you. You have been sick for way too long, but you sound really sexy. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: I can feel I Samantha Potter: I mean from from me, yeah. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: can feel the sinus pressure. Like I I'm viscerally experiencing yeah. Meagan Smith: My nose has hurting. Samantha Potter: Yeah. No, it's like in my gums, so yeah. In my gums, behind my eyes. Jenny O'Mahony: I feel like it's just yeah. Samantha Potter: Mm. Meagan Smith: I don't think I've ever had it like I've had it in my sinuses, but never like in my gums or eyes. Yeah. Samantha Potter: Yeah. It's Jenny O'Mahony: it's just the pressure pushing, right? Samantha Potter: yeah. It's and it's what's so weird though is like before you guys know how I do my eye patches every night before I or every morning and night, but before I got sick, I was like, it it feels like my eyes like feel swollen, like they're sick in there, like but I wasn't Jenny O'Mahony: Mm. Meagan Smith: Uh-huh. Samantha Potter: sick yet. And so obviously it was just like hanging out, waiting. Jenny O'Mahony: Little did she know. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: Did your aura ring warn you? Did it do that thing where it's like signs of Samantha Potter: Well, I think I'm gonna s I like it told me when I was sick and I was like, no shit. Thank you so much. I'm Jenny O'Mahony: You're like, I know. Meagan Smith: Yeah. I'm well aware. Jenny O'Mahony: As if Samantha Potter: I'm half contemplating stopping wearing it only because Meagan Smith: Mm. Samantha Potter: it's like it doesn't really tell me anything that I don't know. And the only thing that Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Samantha Potter: I wear it for Meagan Smith: Yeah. Samantha Potter: is my step count. But like again, I don't really care that much anymore, so Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Apparently it's not like the best for step count either. Meagan Smith: I've heard that. It's if that's what you're using it for, there's other things that are better. I don't know. But I just know that it's not Jenny O'Mahony: There's other things that are better. I don't know. Samantha Potter: What's better? Don't tell me the watch. Jenny O'Mahony: is just I am that is hearsay. It's hearsay. Yeah, I don't I use my Apple Watch, but I Meagan Smith: Yeah. I know I'm not doing it either. Samantha Potter: Don't tell me the watch. I'm not doing it. Yeah. Honestly. Jenny O'Mahony: like limitations. Samantha Potter: Here's the thing, is like I don't I don't really care. I do I do wonder like if you guys do an exercise in a day. So like say I play tennis in the morning, am I still Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm. Meagan Smith: Mm-hmm. Samantha Potter: then trying to get to 10,000 steps? Like I just did my cardio sprints. Like, am I now then also trying to get 10,000 steps on top of that? Because that feels like my whole day at that point. Jenny O'Mahony: So the the like data on the ten thousand steps, there's actually a whole maintenance phase episode that's very interesting. Meagan Smith: Yeah, it's bullshit, isn't Jenny O'Mahony: It's basically like a mark it's just like a nice round number for people that sell. Like was it it's w it was like the thing before the Fitbit. Anyways, I don't Samantha Potter: Mm. Jenny O'Mahony: remember. I'm gonna misquote, Meagan Smith: Mm. Jenny O'Mahony: The data is like saying it is basically that seventy five hundred steps people that have more than seventy five hundred steps have better health outcomes. But I think Samantha Potter: Mm. Mm-hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: there's a difference between your like your activity level over the course of a day and aerobic like Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: activity and you're doing aerobic Samantha Potter: Yeah, yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: activity, which is great, which means you're physically active, so you would probably by default end up in like a healthier outcome category than if you were I don't know. I don't think you need to sweat it. I think if you're active, that's it. Active is important. Samantha Potter: Just walking slowly. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Meagan Smith: Just or just or just sitting. Yeah. Don't sit all Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: day. Move your body. Lift some weights at our age. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Don't sit all day. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: I love how they say that and it's like, okay, but I ha my job means that I I will sit I had like eight hundred steps Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: by at like noon. It was like, this is intolerable. Meagan Smith: Yeah, because our so many people's jobs are just to sit all day. Unless you have a walking Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Meagan Smith: pad, is just to sit all day. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, and I can't access my walking pad 'cause I'm of my decluttering that's created more clutter, so that's a me problem. Samantha Potter: But there's a lot of people who aren't coordinated enough to do the walking pad and work at the same time. Meagan Smith: I can only do it in very specific Jenny O'Mahony: yeah. Meagan Smith: I can do it when I'm I can't do it when I'm typing because it makes Samantha Potter: Mm, mm. Jenny O'Mahony: No. Meagan Smith: me feel motion sick. I can do it when I'm in meetings, like boring meetings where I'm just listening or I'm just talking. Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm. Samantha Potter: Yeah, that's smart. Because then Jenny O'Mahony: I can do it. Samantha Potter: you can actually like get your steps and move your arms because Meagan Smith: Yeah. But I can't be doing anything else because then I get so motion sick by trying. Jenny O'Mahony: Mm-hmm. Meagan Smith: I don't know. Jenny O'Mahony: I don't get motion sick, but I find it hard. Yeah, if I'm typing Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: a lot. Like I can mark papers where I'm typing like a bit. I can do set but no, I couldn't be just like writing like a report or something doing it. No. Meagan Smith: Writing a report. I don't know why I would write a report, but yeah. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: No. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: And I have a treadmill as well. And they're a walking bed and treadmill are not Meagan Smith: So different. Jenny O'Mahony: the same thing. And anybody that tries to tell you they are is selling you one of the two. They are not the same thing. They are not meant to be the same thing. Meagan Smith: I know people wanna buy one. They wanna buy one thing and like that's not what you're getting here. You're getting a very basic walking, not running, walking for under your desk. Jenny O'Mahony: And it's skinny and it's short. When Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: I see people showing videos of like them like walking watching TV, my ass would be fucking all over the floor. I would fall off that thing like so easily. There's no no way. for sure. The Yeah. Fair. Samantha Potter: Have I have fallen off. I was watching the pit and I fell off. Meagan Smith: I have two Jenny O'Mahony: Fair. Meagan Smith: When we first when I first got mine, I my office actually flooded, so I was where I am now and my desk was here and w Bowie was a puppy, our dog, and he started jumping on it and would just like bail Samantha Potter: my gosh. Meagan Smith: off the side so much that I couldn't use it for a while. Stupid little thing. Jenny O'Mahony: my god, that's so funny. Yeah, no, I don't know, I can't. I can't. I do like it though for movement and irritability from being in front of a screen, Meagan Smith: Yes. Jenny O'Mahony: which so I find it makes a big difference there. but I feel like a lot of that's Meagan Smith: Especially if you're in like a staff meeting or something. Like if you're sitting there in a two hour I don't know. I used to have these like two hour town halls. I'm like, this is so boring. Helps me focus. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. But I think that's our ADHD being unable to sit through meeting without walking on a treadmill. I don't Meagan Smith: Fair. Yeah, I'm like I d I can't just sit here. Yeah. Samantha Potter: To sit through that long. Jenny O'Mahony: I I don't know if the general population has that same problem. Meagan Smith: They're like, I can't just sit here doing nothing. I like need to do twenty other things. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: my god, 100%. Like I was telling Dave, like I've been so burnt out with the back to school and just like all of it. And then I finished this like long block of working on my computer today. Like one, I'm like, I'm gonna go wash the car and like weed in the garden. He's like, just sit down and relax. I'm like, the problem is I have been sitting down and my step count is less than a thousand steps, and my brain is gonna it my every part of me is like crawling because I have been sitting down. Like I actually need to get. Outside, fresh air, move. It's not it was it's not it's less about like I need to clean my car and more about like so I do need to clean my car and also I know that's gonna have a good proprioceptive input and Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: output and like I just need to be not sitting in a chair. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Yeah, I feel you. Jenny O'Mahony: Okay, so there's I'm gonna I wanna I'm curious what you guys have to say about this. So I'm I h hear this thing all the time and I used to be like, my god, no, that's so weird and now I'm wondering if this is me. Okay, so do you know when you hear people talk about having an internal monologue? Meagan Smith: Yeah, yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: What is your gut response? Cause I always was like, Absolutely I have an internal monologue. And Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: now I don't think I do. I think I misunderstood the assignment. Meagan Smith: I always thought I did and that everybody did. Jenny O'Mahony: No. Meagan Smith: But I learned Samantha Potter: Can you Meagan Smith: recently or like a year ago that not everybody does. But now what w define? Yeah. Maybe I don't. Me too. In my head. Samantha Potter: What's the def like what are you using as a definition? I talk to myself all the time. Jenny O'Mahony: Okay, so Okay, no no no. That's not what it means. So I Samantha Potter: Okay. Jenny O'Mahony: talk to myself in my head too, but do you hear your voice? Like is there actually like if you think about it, are you hearing a voice or are you thinking about the words? Samantha Potter: I say them out loud where to the point where my family is asking me who I am talking to. It's not internal Jenny O'Mahony: So that's not an internal monologue anymore. Samantha Potter: at all. It's totally external. Meagan Smith: Turtle it's next. Turtle monologue. I don't know if I hear a voice. I th I think it's just my thoughts. Jenny O'Mahony: So no no no like what they mean is like people hear a voice. Like they hear their voice Meagan Smith: But it's not your own voice. Jenny O'Mahony: in like there's dialogue in your head, but it's they there's like an audible voice component, whereas I don't Meagan Smith: I don't think so. Jenny O'Mahony: actually hear a voice, I experience words, but I actually realize I don't hear them. I just know what they are, and I don't know how to tangibly explain that. Meagan Smith: I think I might be the same as you. But Jenny O'Mahony: I thought you would be. Meagan Smith: yeah, I th I we have I mean we all have very similar brains. But I always thought I had an internal monologue because I hear words, I guess. No. My voice is not talking in my head, I don't think. Jenny O'Mahony: But do you hear it is actually the thing. I assumed that I heard that is what peop that is apparently what it is. Meagan Smith: Interesting. And I guess Sam you don't either because you just speak it. Yeah. 'Cause you're speaking it. It's not in your brain. Jenny O'Mahony: Right. Samantha Potter: I didn't know that. I just say it out I hear my voice cause it's out loud. Cause everyone can Jenny O'Mahony: So Yeah, but that's not internal. Samantha Potter: hear it. Jenny O'Mahony: And apparently if you so for example I've heard people describe that, they don't hear a voice, they see pictures or whatever. And I was like, no, I hear a voice. And then I was like, I Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: actually don't hear a voice. I experience the words, but they're not it's not actually like I couldn't my gut would be like, yeah, I hear my voice in my head. And then I'm like, I don't Meagan Smith: Totally. Jenny O'Mahony: actually hold on, do I hear my voice in my head? And then it was described to me as if you were to you know, visualize your way through your day, like Meagan Smith: huh. Jenny O'Mahony: do you physically just see everything from your vantage point through your day? 'Cause that's what I would do. Samantha Potter: Yeah, that's probably what I would do too. Meagan Smith: I think so. How else would you do it? This is now where this is now where I'm having a hard time. I'm like, what else would you do? Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Apparently people apparent Apparently people see as if they're outside, like th third person. Yes. That blew my mind. I think that's a Samantha Potter: Like they're hovering like here and then they No, no. Meagan Smith: no. No. Jenny O'Mahony: bit separate from actually having an internal monologue, but I I just find that fascinating. I'm like, my god, you watch yourself? I thought and and so I'm this Meagan Smith: No, I definitely don't do that. Jenny O'Mahony: is where I'm like, is this literal thinking? Where when people say visualize your day, we were like Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: I got it. I will f visualize how I from my eyes will go through the day. And they did they really mean we were supposed to see us our bodies doing it, not through our own vantage point? Meagan Smith: I hundred percent have never done that. But I but if some it didn't even didn't even occur to me either. I didn't Samantha Potter: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: I it didn't even occur to me that that was an option. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: know that was a tr that was what anyone would do or why Jenny O'Mahony: I didn't know that was a thing. Meagan Smith: anyone even now I'm like, why would you do that? It Samantha Potter: Is seems so odd. Meagan Smith: seems really odd, but maybe we are the odd Jenny O'Mahony: Apparently that's like Meagan Smith: ones. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: yeah, no. It's apparently it's not odd. It's it's us. Samantha Potter: So you're saying a lot of people experience Meagan Smith: I don't even know who to ask because yeah. Samantha Potter: voice their own voice in their head or will experience them Jenny O'Mahony: Apparently. Samantha Potter: seeing their day through Meagan Smith: Interesting. Samantha Potter: who knows somebody else's eyes. Jenny O'Mahony: Like a third party Yeah, which is so creepy personally. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: that's wild. I don't even know who to ask 'cause I s said this to you later. I'm like, I have such a weird because I don't hang Jenny O'Mahony: We don't know neurotypical people. Meagan Smith: out with anyone who's neurotypical. All my friends have s have something. Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: Dave will tell you he has he says he hears his voice. But now I'm gonna question further because I would have absolutely Meagan Smith: Yeah, I'm gonna ask Chris when he gets home. Mm hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: been like, Of course I hear my voice. I don't hear No, I just like experience Meagan Smith: Yeah. I always thought I heard my voice, but it's not my voice. Jenny O'Mahony: the words. It's like they're there, but they're not being spoken, Meagan Smith: Yeah, yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: but I'm not reading them. They're just present. Meagan Smith: Yeah, I'm like talking through things in my head at all times. Jenny O'Mahony: But not audibly. Yeah. Meagan Smith: No. Jenny O'Mahony: Isn't that weird? Samantha Potter: I feel like Meagan Smith: thought of it that way. My mind is blown. Jenny O'Mahony: I'd never had it explained to me like that. I was just Samantha Potter: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: like weirdos without internal monologue. Meagan Smith: Yeah, me too. Jenny O'Mahony: But I'm the weirdo. Samantha Potter: Mm. Meagan Smith: Like, shit, that's me. I am super vis I don't see visual, but I am very like a visual learner. Like someone can't just describe Jenny O'Mahony: Me too. Meagan Smith: some con concept to me and I understand it. They have to write it down or draw it out or whatever for me. If it's like I have to see it. Or do it. I have to Jenny O'Mahony: Mm. I think I'm you have to do it. Samantha Potter: I feel like I have to do it. Meagan Smith: either see it or do it. I think that's why I liked math so much in high school, because it was such a written process Samantha Potter: Yeah. Yeah. Mm mm. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: I feel like I can be descri like I can receive verbal instructions if I already have a visual to as to like tie it to, right? Like if Meagan Smith: Yes, agreed. Jenny O'Mahony: I've been primed and I understand, like if I was in a hospital and you were telling me how to do something with I don't know, like a central line, I'm so well versed in the centr in the line that if you were like, just like turn this, blah blah I would then I could go off of a verbal, but if it was like a completely new concept, I would need to see Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: it. And I'd probably be like, I'm not actually listening to you anymore because all I can think about is what does this look like? So I just need I I'm gonna need a picture. Meagan Smith: 100%. Agreed. Samantha Potter: And how I'm gonna find it. Yeah, yeah. Meagan Smith: Like if Chris, who's an engineer, tries to explain some complicated thing to me, I have no and I stopped l he ha he calls me on all the time. He's like, you're no longer listening to me. Cause I don't I can't it's really boring. But I don't get it. And there's no Jenny O'Mahony: But it's also 'cause he's it's probably boring. Yeah. Meagan Smith: visual. I have no visual. And so then my brain just like puts a wall down. me too. I'm so bad. Samantha Potter: It that's me and directions. If someone's giving me directions somewhere, I'm like, right, left, hmm, I'm out. I'm like, I hope that you were listening 'cause I wasn't. yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: or when people go north north or south, like I Meagan Smith: In a weird city. I can do Jenny O'Mahony: mean if we're here that that's fine. I'm fine. 'Cause Meagan Smith: north and south in North Vancouver. I'm good with that because of the mountains. Jenny O'Mahony: there's yeah, in where we live the mountain is north. So if you're Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: it's very straightforward. But once you're not in proximity of seeing the mountains in the lower mainland, I don't know where we're going. I can't believe that Samantha Potter: Yeah, no. No. Meagan Smith: No. I c I used always Jenny O'Mahony: like we are the map quest era. How did we Meagan Smith: Yeah How did we function? Samantha Potter: I remember going to soccer games and literally with one of those maps being like, okay, Meagan Smith: Printing them? Samantha Potter: H1, here's where we are. And Meagan Smith: Yes, totally. Samantha Potter: then it's like flip to page 234 Jenny O'Mahony: And then when you have to turn the page. Samantha Potter: to get to the next one. I'm like, I'm surprised that my mom and I Meagan Smith: Yeah. We would print them. Jenny O'Mahony: The kids will never Samantha Potter: survived it. Jenny O'Mahony: Well, we didn't have a choice. Samantha Potter: we Meagan Smith: And then remember when like the Samantha Potter: were late to everything and lost a lot. Meagan Smith: the map things came out that you could add to your car, you'd like p I forget what they were called. What I forgot what are those things to? Yeah, and it was like a plug in. Jenny O'Mahony: My god, yes. Yeah. Yeah, but like it was like a Samantha Potter: Like the nav systems? Jenny O'Mahony: giant fucking phone screen. Like it looked yeah. Meagan Smith: And it looked like like it looked like a phone and you plugged it Samantha Potter: yeah, it's like a little is a navigation like a little GPS system. Yeah. Meagan Smith: in. A navigation yeah. And then it would Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Meagan Smith: g yeah, and GPS that's the word I'm looking for. Jenny O'Mahony: but there was a name for it. Meagan Smith: And you plugged it in and then you put it on your dash, like we all have built into our cars now. And it was a game changer. Samantha Potter: I yeah, I remember that. I actually it was a game changer. I remember almost getting pulled over at night for when cause the screen was so bright and a cop like thought I was on my phone, so like flips a Yui has their lights on and then I think realized that it's like not my phone, it's like an app system and then like just carried on. Yeah, like you do not, Jenny O'Mahony: You're like, I'm safer with this, trust me. Meagan Smith: And now I've system. Yeah, I've no idea where I am. Samantha Potter: you do not want me to turn this off. Meagan Smith: I mean, I even remember Jenny O'Mahony: my Meagan Smith: getting lost in downtown Vancouver in my twenties, which is so embarrassing 'cause I grew up seven minutes outside of downtown Vancouver. Samantha Potter: Mm. Jenny O'Mahony: Okay, but in fairness, the one way streets. Downtown Vancouver's kinda dumb. So many one way streets. Meagan Smith: 'Cause I just I never could do it. yeah. I've it is dumb. I have definitely driven the wrong way on one way streets in Vancouver. Now I can. Totally fine. Samantha Potter: It is dumb. I can get I can do downtown Vancouver fine. It's Whistler, that's my embarrassing one. Is like you put me in the village, I can't get from here to there to here to there. you're not driving, you're on foot. And I used to go to Whistler Jenny O'Mahony: I was like, Where are you driving in Whistler? that makes sense. Meagan Smith: I also yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, yeah. Samantha Potter: every single weekend as a child. So Meagan Smith: Yeah. I when we were there this summer, Chris is always like, Well, where are you? Where are you? I no, I'm the same. I I am the same in Whistler. I get so turned around and Sam, same Jenny O'Mahony: But it's like one strip. Like it's like one Samantha Potter: It's not really. It's not really. Yeah. Meagan Smith: with you. I was there every weekend for fifteen years. It's very embarrassing. Jenny thinks we're crazy. No. Samantha Potter: Yeah. I'm like if you ask me how to get back to the chateau, no chance. No chance. I will somehow end up in the complete wrong direction. Jenny O'Mahony: but Meagan Smith: Sam, I'm with you. I find Whistler very confusing. We also Samantha Potter: That's so confusing. Meagan Smith: skied black comb, so I should know that part. I don't. I don't at all. Samantha Potter: I I skied whistler and I still don't know it. Just follow people, hope for the best. Meagan Smith: I just Google Maps everything. Jenny O'Mahony: But now you can just GPS it and be like, I'm walking and it will tell you. me too. Samantha Potter: Yeah. I GPS everything. I just had to renew Meagan Smith: Yeah, me too. Samantha Potter: my like phone thing and he was like, What do you use data for? I was like, definitely not Jenny O'Mahony: Everything? Samantha Potter: just my maps all the time, but yeah, ever. Literally Meagan Smith: I don't know where I am ever. Samantha Potter: ever. I had to call. my god. Okay, I had to call one time. You remember when you type in a number for pay by phone parking and you would like type in where you are? I called pay by phone Jenny O'Mahony: Mm. yeah, yeah. Meagan Smith: yeah. Samantha Potter: and I was like, if I give you the number. Of the meter I'm at, can you tell me what street I've parked on? And he was like, I forgot Meagan Smith: because you forgot where you parked. Samantha Potter: where I parked. He was like, Are you serious? I'm like, I have been walking around for 20 minutes. I have no idea where Meagan Smith: That's amazing. Samantha Potter: I parked. He helped me. yeah. Yeah. He's Jenny O'Mahony: So did he help you? That's great. Meagan Smith: Did he? good. Samantha Potter: like, I've never had this request. And I'm like, I Jenny O'Mahony: But that just feels like people were not good Meagan Smith: That surprises me. Jenny O'Mahony: at problem solving. That's so funny. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Or like just Meagan Smith: Yeah, that's true. Samantha Potter: paid closer attention than me. Until well, Meagan Smith: They just they wandered. No, I bet people just wandered. You were just really smart and you called. Samantha Potter: 'cause I was like getting to like panic mode of like it's already been twenty minutes. Meagan Smith: I actually don't know if I would have thought of that, to call them. That's smart. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: I mean I definitely use the find my car. Samantha Potter: Yeah, now I like it's like saves where you it's like we save where you park I'm parked. I'm like, thank God because Meagan Smith: Thank God. Jenny O'Mahony: But it doesn't it only works like if you're in a parquade, you're screwed. Meagan Smith: You're hooped. Yeah. Samantha Potter: no, the in a parkade I have to be like, Okay, I walked up to this I turned left from my car, walked to this store, I have to pace like same, same, yeah. Meagan Smith: I take pictures. I've started taking pictures because I'm really bad. Jenny O'Mahony: I I just like click my lock to hear it beep. Like when I work at the hospital, Meagan Smith: I've done that before too. Jenny O'Mahony: I park in the exact same place every time, even if it's like a stat Meagan Smith: So smart. Jenny O'Mahony: holiday and I could park way closer if I I I would never find my car. Meagan Smith: That's so smart though. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: And like s there people have been stabbed in that parking lot. I don't want to be wandering around there. Yeah. Yeah. Meagan Smith: The main the main one? That main one? I used to park when I worked there too. Jenny O'Mahony: It was targeted, but still. Meagan Smith: Still. Jenny O'Mahony: I don't ooh. Samantha Potter: Yeah, no. No thank you. Better safe. Jenny O'Mahony: no thank you. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: I also get turned Jenny O'Mahony: I know, right? Meagan Smith: around on the ferry. That's the other one. Samantha Potter: Mm. Meagan Smith: I was just on the ferry a couple days ago with my friend. And the two of us, I mean, all of us, right? We grew up here. We've probably been on that. Like, I don't know, a thousand times, if you know, constantly. I can't figure the fair like when I come up, I get lost. I never know which side the bathroom's on. I get so turned around. Always. my gosh, I always mess up. Samantha Potter: Same. Same. Same. Jenny O'Mahony: Am I parked on the orca level? The sea like which what the starfish? Samantha Potter: I know. Meagan Smith: And I I'm normally with Chris and he's pretty good, but it was me and my best friend Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, Dave's good at it too. Meagan Smith: this weekend by ourselves. Jenny O'Mahony: And you were screwed. Meagan Smith: our husbands were separate and we were like, fuck, where are we? We kept getting lost. Like, Samantha Potter: Where are we going? Meagan Smith: where's our car? What's happening? Where is everything? Like I just kind of showed up and hoped for the best. But I was driving. So it was kind of my responsibility. But in my own car, it was very it it was a bit of a disaster. Jenny O'Mahony: You're like, I'm a passenger princess. wait, we're both passenger princesses. It's so bad. Meagan Smith: But we made it. It's like I'm so proud of us, both like smart forty something year old women. We can't figure out the fairy. Which we have both Jenny O'Mahony: We took the fairy Meagan Smith: done a thousand times. Yeah. Samantha Potter: So many times. Jenny O'Mahony: my gosh. I haven't, but I this is a total change of this is a squirrel, but it just popped in my head because my friend had messaged me about it earlier. Did you guys watch the Patrick Clancy 60 Minutes thing? I did not. Did you? Apparently Meagan Smith: On the ferry. On that same ferry. Jenny O'Mahony: it's only like fifteen minutes long. Meagan Smith: It it's no new information. he kinda just repeats the case Jenny O'Mahony: I w assume as much. Meagan Smith: but Sam, the eyes. Okay. I've never got the eyes and I get it now. It's he's dead behind there. Samantha Potter: It's like there's so much white on the bo like at the bottom here. Like there's just his the way that his eyes Jenny O'Mahony: What? I gotta look at a picture. Sorry, d tell me. Meagan Smith: I just yeah. Samantha Potter: are like up. If you compare his eyes to Brian Kol Kolberger's eyes or whatever the Jenny O'Mahony: no, I can't look at that man. That man is no Samantha Potter: They look identical. Meagan Smith: There's there's like nothing there. Yeah. Samantha Potter: You do a side by side of them, they look identical. Jenny O'Mahony: really? Samantha Potter: They both look very dead and withdrawn inside. And you I that was just Meagan Smith: And then the wife being brought in, it was Jenny O'Mahony: No, to be fair, Devil's Advocate, h you could feel dead inside because of that experience. Samantha Potter: Yes, yes, yes, a hundred percent. Nope. Meagan Smith: Fair, yes. Or he's like disassociating Jenny O'Mahony: Right? I'm just I'm not trying to be like Meagan Smith: as he's talking. I don't know. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. I think it's just I've seen so many people and I'm not defending or anything. I just think like I have seen so many people who've experienced really profound Meagan Smith: Mm-hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: loss. And when you s repeatedly see people on the worst day of their life, which is a large part of my job, I actually this sounds weird to say. I actually really feel very honored to look after people during that. But when you see a lot of people have that experience, you can see how really just weird people can get. Do you know what I mean? Meagan Smith: Mm, fair. Jenny O'Mahony: But I mean, I also don't love a Kohlberger twin situation. Samantha Potter: Yeah, I mean just look that one up 'cause they are Jenny O'Mahony: That looks that's and of course that doesn't mean anything, but it also is just like sounds cre that just like isn't great. Samantha Potter: Doesn't actually mean anything, but it's very creepy. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Samantha Potter: But I will say I didn't watch either, but I did see I saw quite a few snippets on social media. And I think that bringing Rachel was a poor move. Yeah, it was a poor move. Especially with especially with how she Jenny O'Mahony: A stupid idea. such a bad idea. I agree. Meagan Smith: I don't yeah, who Yeah. Samantha Potter: presented. what did she say? I was just a girl running on a cold day. I'm like, what do you think? You're in a fucking romance movie right now? Meagan Smith: But some of the clips ended up not actually be no, they weren't in the interview. So they used different clips to promote it than they actually did Jenny O'Mahony: I heard those clips weren't in the interview. For clickbait. Meagan Smith: in the interview for Clickbait. but she still said that. Yeah. Yeah. Samantha Potter: She still said it, and it's still the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Jenny O'Mahony: I would and I also would imagine they would have got some sort of coaching for that. Do you remember? Yeah, like but anybody doing these Yeah, like anybody Meagan Smith: he had been coached. He had a hundred percent that was all coached, you could tell. Yeah. Samantha Potter: A PR, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: doing these interviews would have that. Like not to say that that would make them unique, but Meagan Smith: No, for sure. Jenny O'Mahony: that. And so you would imagine Meagan Smith: But also who's r recommending him to even do this? Like who said to him and his wife, This is what you should do? Jenny O'Mahony: I could see him doing it, but not with I just think her I feel like the initial Meagan Smith: Yeah, her was a weird. Jenny O'Mahony: clips just showed a picture of him footage of him sitting down. Meagan Smith: Yes. Jenny O'Mahony: And then like a day later, they knew what they were doing. later, you could see that she was there and it was like, what? Meagan Smith: Definitely got attention because of that. Jenny O'Mahony: I mean, it did what they wanted it to. Samantha Potter: Yeah, I mean sixty minutes is in it for the ratings, so I just it was poorly executed from both of them. Patrick at least mentioned mental health in Jenny O'Mahony: Mm. Samantha Potter: the conversation. I mean, Megan, you would have way more context than me, but Meagan Smith: Mm-hmm. Samantha Potter: from the little I saw online, he at least mentioned it, but it was still Meagan Smith: Yeah, he mentioned it. Samantha Potter: overshadowed by so much of the other fluff and shit that they were saying. Meagan Smith: Yeah. And it just wasn't Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Meagan Smith: th there wasn't really he didn't really say anything. Neither of them really said anything. It was there Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: was there was some review of the case and I was like, I can't actually hear this. Jenny O'Mahony: from any angle of perception people have of what he did, didn't whatever, wouldn't his lawyer be like, you're not talking about the investigation. You know what I mean? Like that would actually be Meagan Smith: Yeah. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: a we're not actually doing questions about XYZ. Meagan Smith: It's an active case still. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: Right? Like Jenny O'Mahony: Well and also like any lawyer would be like, that's a no Samantha Potter: Just don't open. Jenny O'Mahony: You also wonder how l I always find it interesting to know how long they talk to the person for versus how long the actual aired footage is because Meagan Smith: Well, they went to his apart like it must have been 'cause there's one clip where they're actually at his apartment in New York. And they're like showing something at at his I'm assuming his place in New York. So Jenny O'Mahony: Hm. so he still lives in New York, Meagan Smith: I guess he still lives in New York. I mean you can't I don't think I don't know if they said I was I was half watching it. I was listening more than watching. Jenny O'Mahony: Fair, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Meagan Smith: but they're at his house or some form of residence talking about something. I don't forget what. Jenny O'Mahony: and the next time we're meeting, the twenty ninth, isn't that the day that they're they announce whether she has another trial or? Meagan Smith: I think so. That's Samantha Potter: Yeah, I think back to court, yeah. Yeah. Meagan Smith: the day they're going back to court, isn't it? Jenny O'Mahony: And I think that's where they determine Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: basically what happens next. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: I would like to think that the state would just drop it. I can't imagine they would 'cause their egos are so large. But Samantha Potter: Yeah, it sounds like Tim Meagan Smith: Yeah. Samantha Potter: Cruise is a piece of work, but Meagan Smith: and he's doesn't want to drop this, but Samantha Potter: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: No. It's just it's super expensive and I think like Meagan Smith: So expensive. Jenny O'Mahony: I think if you look at Is there ever gonna be justice for the kids? Probably not, realistically, right? because if we work under the assumption she did it, then there isn't really justice because in the sense that we're not fixing the healthcare system, we're not you know what I mean? We're not actually doing anything to prevent it from happening again. And yeah. Meagan Smith: Yeah, like it could happen tomorrow 'cause all the issues that led to it are still there. Jenny O'Mahony: Totally. And if, you know, for the people that think that he did it, that's also not on the table. So like there's just not gonna be it's just gonna be a giant waste of their taxpayer money. And she's not a danger to the public, right? I think that's where you go, is this person a danger? She probably will be for the rest of her life. Meagan Smith: She's a danger to herself, but not to the public. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: which is the d tragedy. So, yeah, I don't know, I think it's a waste of money. Meagan Smith: Yeah. So what happens if it just gets dropped? Does she are the charges dropped? Jenny O'Mahony: I don't my understanding is that the chances of a case completely being dropped are very low. It's usually Meagan Smith: okay. Jenny O'Mahony: that they would do I think if they do a lesser charge, it doesn't need a jury. It would just be Meagan Smith: Got it. Jenny O'Mahony: a trial with a judge ruling is I think what I remember hearing. Which would probably be better, right? Just do that if you're gonna do it again. Don't have it all over TV Whatever, yeah. Meagan Smith: So if they decide to do it again for manslaughter or then it's just yeah, whatever they do. Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: Yeah, got it. Jenny O'Mahony: It was because it was a first degree that it had to have a jury, I think is what they had said. Meagan Smith: The second degree in a jury? it's just first. Jenny O'Mahony: I don't think so. I think it's that 'cause I think that was part of what Kevin Reddington was trying to do when he was Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: talking about the the case, like the bifurcation about like how it would Meagan Smith: Right. Jenny O'Mahony: be done was it would be lesser charge. I don't know. Meagan Smith: Well then it's all then they go to all those civil cases too, right? There's still those. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. And like none of this is Meagan Smith: Which are interesting. Jenny O'Mahony: talking about changing how, like, I don't know, women in estates don't have paid MAT leave, or access to Meagan Smith: Seriously. Jenny O'Mahony: healthcare, and that insurance companies are actually one of the biggest issues in all of this, right? Meagan Smith: It's a business. Healthcare is a business to them. So not that our healthcare is perfect. I know that very well. But Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. No Meagan Smith: it's we shouldn't be basing ourselves off the US. Jenny O'Mahony: I a hundred percent. Like nobody's going bankrupt to pay for their health care, their like cancer treatment in Canada. Meagan Smith: Or like newborn babies. I have coworkers who their newborn babies have got bills from the insurance companies for their own birth, which is in the st in Jenny O'Mahony: Like in the States. Samantha Potter: That's so messed up. Meagan Smith: the states. Yeah. In the states. So like if a baby goes to the NICU, they sometimes Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Meagan Smith: then start billing the baby instead under the baby's name instead of the parents' name. Which is absolutely insane. It's just like the different way insurance Jenny O'Mahony: That is wild. Meagan Smith: works. Jenny O'Mahony: That is so terrible. Meagan Smith: Or you have to make these calls, like do I C section, do I keep risking natural, you know, birth because it's gonna be a twenty K more? Samantha Potter: I couldn't imagine I couldn't imagine making a call like that hinging on Meagan Smith: I know. Samantha Potter: like some like my daughter was super sick in California and we we had out of country insurance and even Meagan Smith: Mm-hmm. Samantha Potter: we're lucky that even if we didn't, I wouldn't have hesitated twice to have called the ambulance in the situation that we did. But I'm like, it sickens me that families have to seriously consider. whether or not they are going to be calling an ambulance for this or not. Jenny O'Mahony: but then they have to hope the ambulance takes them to a hospital that their insurance covers. Isn't that wild? Like could you imagine Meagan Smith: That's the other thing. Yes. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: if you were having a heart attack outside of I don't know, St. Paul's and it's like, but your insurance only covers Royal Columbian or whatever. this is the wrong health authority. that is wild to me. Meagan Smith: We have to drive forty five minutes. Which is what happens all the time there. Yeah. It's happened to my brother for something way smaller, but he was yeah, anyway, a similar thing. It wasn't a heart attack, but he ended up having to drive like two hours because whatever hospital he went to wasn't in within his insurance. I was like, this is so stupid. This makes no sense. Samantha Potter: So dumb. Jenny O'Mahony: Props to that plastic surgeon? what's her last name Potter, Doctor something? Potter? Good name. It's a good last name. But she's the one she's been Samantha Potter: Mm. I don't even know what you're talking about, but I like her. Meagan Smith: I don't either. Jenny O'Mahony: she recorded a video of her talking to United Healthcare, denying like An overnight stay for a patient that she was physically operating on because they'd already approved the surgery. And then they called her out of the surgery to talk to the insurance company, intraoperatively. Yeah. Gets called to talk to them. Meagan Smith: So she's mid surgery and insurance wants her just to pop out real quick. Jenny O'Mahony: Well, they usually just put the phone on in the OR. Anyways, but like gets called to it's Meagan Smith: But still. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: wild. And she has since recorded these calls where she only records her voice. Like she's not recording the other person. It'll be like a video of her talking on the phone. And some of the stuff like she was they do to these peer-to-peer calls up where it's supposed to be her talking to another doctor to for her to basically justify the type of procedure she's doing versus a cheaper one or whatever. But she'll say are you a plastic surgeon? you're not. do you do micro microvascular surgery? you don't. So how do you understand my surgical plan if you're not the same kind of surgeon as me. She's great. She's badass. Elizabeth Potter, I think that's her name. it's wild. Like it's never I've I've never seen anything like that in Canada. Meagan Smith: I want to look her up. No, 'cause we don't have you show up at a hospital here that's you know, look I've shown up at a h small town hospital if I've had issues and they just they admit you and see you. You don't have to drive back to Vancouver. Yeah, you might wait. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, you might wait a while, but like yeah. based on how sick you are. And I think that's what people get frustrated at is they're like, I've been waiting forever Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: and it's like, Well, it's probably not an emergency then. Meagan Smith: And we don't get hundred thousand dollar bills that then we have to pay off. Jenny O'Mahony: No. No, we don't. It's like I don't Meagan Smith: Unexpectedly. Jenny O'Mahony: That's what needs to change. I don't think people that live in the States unless they've been outside of the States realize that they have a very unique system that is does not serve its population. Meagan Smith: It serves some. Yeah. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: some people. If you can afford it, it serves you just fine. Which is kind of problematic. Samantha Potter: Just a little. Jenny O'Mahony: Just a little. Meagan Smith: Well, don't they have the highest maternal death rate? Jenny O'Mahony: I yeah, I believe so. Of like a it's like of a westernized country. Do you know what I mean? Like it's like yeah. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Of an yeah, yeah. Of a westernized Samantha Potter: Yeah, yeah. Meagan Smith: country, they have the highest maternal death rate, I think. I feel like I learned that on Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. I think that's that's accurate. Meagan Smith: some T V show, but I did look it up and it was true. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, I think that is accurate. Samantha Potter: Wild. Meagan Smith: That's crazy. Jenny O'Mahony: But it makes sense if you can't afford a C section. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Samantha Potter: To be a doctor and have to make those decis or like go with the decision that's being made s also just seems like a really hard spot to be put in. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah, I had a friend who when he did his plastics, his Meagan Smith: Business. Jenny O'Mahony: hand fellowship in New York, he had a patient come in who'd had like a clean amputation of the hand. Something that here we would have reattached the hand. it was a c like textbook viable hand. And the insurance company would only pay for the flap to cover the stump, basically. They wouldn't pay. He could have had Meagan Smith: So he could have had his hand back, but because the insurance company wouldn't pay for it. Jenny O'Mahony: likely a functional hand And my friend was he was AF fellow, so he couldn't even offer free services because he wasn't an attending physician at the time. But you also can't cause the hospital, you can't just be like, I'll make this free, because you have to like the OR space, the Samantha Potter: He still someone the money has to cover. Yeah. Yeah. Meagan Smith: Yeah, you're it's not your own private practice. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: the anesthesia, everything, right? So he was really deeply impacted by watching this salvageable good outcome go away because of an insurance company. Meagan Smith: That's insane. Samantha Potter: It's insane. Completely insane. Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. It's like super wild, so that's pretty Debbie Downer. What are our hyperfixations? Samantha Potter: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: Breathing through your nose. Is that what you're working on, Sam? Samantha Potter: Yeah. Meagan Smith: Is that yeah. Sam just needs to be able to breathe. Samantha Potter: Yeah. My hyperfixation is l exactly not blowing my nose every day. no, I think I'm back to charming right now, making charms. Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: my god, I love that. You've inspired me. I want to get some of the stuff to do that too. Samantha Potter: Really fun. Jenny O'Mahony: You make really good ones as well. Samantha Potter: There's like so much good inspo Meagan Smith: I know they're so cute. Samantha Potter: out there. There's a new one that I really like. I'll make you guys one. It's all in my cart right now. So just need to hit checkout. Jenny O'Mahony: Ooh. Samantha Potter: Very fall-esque. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. Jenny O'Mahony: god, that's so fun. my god, and we have to plan our crafting night. Or like Meagan Smith: Ooh. I know. Jenny O'Mahony: Some charms. Okay, sweet. I can't can't wait to see what you're gonna make us. Meagan Smith: I know, I'm Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Meagan Smith: excited. I know I would say mine's around the same, like just crafting. I a couple weeks ago, you know, went to Michaels and just like bought a bunch of different things. I got really into air-dry clay things, but then also Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: Mm. Meagan Smith: into watercoloring. And then Samantha Potter: we love it. Meagan Smith: that was a more recent one. That was actually like two days ago, because I bought my friend. Yeah, it was in when I Jenny O'Mahony: Okay. Like painting watercolors? Or like the watercolor markers? Meagan Smith: Like the paintings. When I was in San Diego, I was walk I was there unexpectedly last week. and we walked into some paper store, you know, like those p Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Meagan Smith: cute gift shops. And it was my friend's 40th, and so I bought her this like little book that was all the it like ten or twelve like flowers and then you can like watercolor them and it like showed t yeah, Jenny O'Mahony: Mm. Samantha Potter: With the little water. Mm-hmm. Meagan Smith: and it tells you how. And so I bought it for her then when she was opening I was like, I want one of those. So I went on Amazon and bought like the knockoff version of them. And my paints are coming tomorrow. And I'm really excited. And it c Jenny O'Mahony: Yeah. Samantha Potter: I'm excited for you. Meagan Smith: kind of like shows you how to do them, which is kind of cool. But I also have like I was very Samantha Potter: Are you artistic? Like are you will you be able to do this? Meagan Smith: I don't know, I was as a kid. Samantha Potter: Okay. Meagan Smith: But then I so like kid Jenny O'Mahony: But you're creative. Meagan Smith: and teenage and a teenager, I was super creative and really into arts and crafts. And then I just kind of stopped. And I feel like I need to get back into it. I don't know. And I was really into like paint bite like numbers and stuff when I was really little. it's like let's and beading. I think I told you guys this one from a few months like weeks ago. So I I now have like 10 different crafts I can do, but I've done none of them. I've bought all the supplies for all of them and I've yet to do a s yeah, and Jenny O'Mahony: Mm. Of course you have. Samantha Potter: You have it all. Meagan Smith: it like I bought the stuff to organize them. But I have but I have Jenny O'Mahony: Nice. Of course you did. Meagan Smith: yet to do Samantha Potter: Mm. Meagan Smith: one. So maybe in the next week I will do one. I was like, I need to actually do this. I spend a lot of money. So whatever crafting night we do, I'll bring everything 'cause I probably have it in my house. I got the supplies. Samantha Potter: You got you got the supplies. Jenny O'Mahony: My gosh, we Samantha Potter: Love it. Jenny O'Mahony: do have to book our crafting night. That's so fun. I love that. Yeah. A felting. I wanna do some I wanna learn how to do the felting. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Embroidery. That was another one. I want to relearn how to like embroider. Yeah. Ooh. Yeah. There's a teacher at my kids' school that like does some felting clubs, so they both know how to felt. They can teach us. Jenny O'Mahony: But it's a belting club. That's so good. Meagan Smith: Crochet? I don't there's so many. I just want to do all the crafts. Yeah. Samantha Potter: There's so many. Jenny O'Mahony: my god, so many. So many. Meagan Smith: What about you, Jenny? What's your Jenny O'Mahony: I've just been hyper focused on being overwhelmed the last week. I'm like maybe a l a couple weeks behind you, Megan, in that I wanna just embrace all the arts and crafts, but Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: I'm doing that thing where I want the space to be right first. So I've Meagan Smith: Mm-hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: I my office looks like Monica's closet. so I need to finish dealing with that. I have like a half an almost done headboard for there and I'm turning the bed Meagan Smith: yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: into like a day bed. I found the sewing machine, so I think that's actually the next hyperfixation. But like actual hyperfixation Meagan Smith: Relearning to sew. Jenny O'Mahony: this wa last week, I got super into as I was militantly trying to not feel overwhelmed, I was listening to all the original casts from the good OG musicals. Meagan Smith: Jenny and I have had a conversation about this. You posted it on Instagram, I think. Yeah. Rumors are Phantom Samantha Potter: Ha ha ha. Jenny O'Mahony: We will be seeing we will be seeing Phantom of the Opera when it comes Meagan Smith: of the Opera's coming in the next year or two. We're very excited. Jenny O'Mahony: I wonder who the phantom's gonna be. I hope it's a big name phantom. They're all awesome, but Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: it'd be really cool if it was you know, Meagan Smith: Good one. Jenny O'Mahony: a British one or something like that. so yeah, that's been good. That's so sad. I cleaned my car. That's not a hyperfixation. Listening to the ri original Android Weber casts. That's been me the last week. Meagan Smith: I'm gonna start doing it. My kids hate it because then I start I think I told you this, Jenny, I was singing the Phantom of the Opera songs, but like I can't sing. And singing Jenny O'Mahony: The different voices too. No, me neither. Samantha Potter: Ha ha. Meagan Smith: the voices with the music really loud and singing like I can sing opera and sing really like high pitch and the different voices. My kids do not enjoy Samantha Potter: I love it. Meagan Smith: when I do that. I don't care, but they do not they get so mad. Which makes it funnier. Samantha Potter: Which makes it all the better. Jenny O'Mahony: They just like turn the music louder. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Just like block me out. Like why don't you just join in? No. No. Jenny O'Mahony: my god, that's so funny. Okay, well, we're gonna get we're gonna we're gonna bring the crafting back. I love it. You can teach us how to do your charm. I almost wonder if we should do like a Meagan Smith: Yeah. Jenny O'Mahony: multi-craft night versus a pick one thing night. I Samantha Potter: Mm-hmm. Jenny O'Mahony: don't even know. There's so many options. It would be ADHD crafting Meagan Smith: I like it. There's so many options. I wanna do them all. Jenny O'Mahony: and we can like 95% complete one thing and move to the next one. Samantha Potter: Mm. Meagan Smith: Yeah. Leave like the last little bit of ten different things. I mean that would be on brand. Jenny O'Mahony: Perfect. Alright, well until next time. Until Meagan Smith: Till next week. Jenny O'Mahony: next week. Bye. Samantha Potter: Aye. Meagan Smith: Bye.