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Framber Valdez Gets Angry (Again) · The 3-0 Take

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Knight. KCJB How are we drinking a
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creamsicle over there? What is it?
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A creams. What is it?
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A cream soda. Cream soda Believe.
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What? What is a cream soda?
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Just vanilla. For those that watch on YouTube.
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Looks like P. If you're lucky enough the way
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you're fortunate enough this time around, you may have heard
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Nate referring to cream soda as pee.
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So apologies in advance if if well, I guess it's after the
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fact, but apologies for that experience, but.
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I'd like to apologize to absolutely no one, OK?
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On brand. What's up?
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Hey, thank you boys for holding it down on Sunday.
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Sunday clubhouse. Sorry sorry I couldn't make it
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but seems like the the prisoners had a a grand time running the.
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I think we killed it. I think we killed it.
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It's fun. Jake's camera sucked.
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What was that about? Did that ever finish uploading?
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I meant to ask him that. I don't know.
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It worked out. Yeah, Yeah.
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Too late now. You all had a good, good show.
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Sorry I missed it, but you know the principal's back so.
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I mean, you didn't technically miss it.
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That's true. Weird the whole time.
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We're at a rest stop. No.
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Well, Meredith was there. I was driving.
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She was just. She was running Meredith, by the
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way. Happy birthday, Meredith.
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Yeah. Happy birthday, Meredith.
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Yeah, Happy birthday, Meredith. Shoot, just just growing up,
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man, Just growing up having kids.
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The core ones are rolling. Crazy.
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Speaking of kids, no, I got nothing.
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Let's talk. I tried, I tried.
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I tried D minus little Rusty Little rusty the.
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Only reason it's not an F is because you admitted you had
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nothing. That's fair.
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Hopefully there's not too much of defending my own honour that
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I'll have to do on this episode from Sunday 'cause apparently I
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was just getting roasted. But let's get into some some
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topics, shall we? We shall I have it in my game up
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here. Let's let's start it with Terek
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Skubal the the preseason American League Cy Young
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favorites or National League Cy Young favorite, depending upon
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where you are, where you stand with the trade rumors, where you
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stand on that that end of the. Hot.
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But Terek Skubal arthroscopic surgery for loose bodies in his
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left elbow. And this was obviously because
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of the World Baseball Classic, right?
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I mean, I'm just, I'm told that the second you sign up, the
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second you commit that it's it's all but a guarantee.
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No, it is a guarantee that you're going to miss some time.
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And so obviously, obviously coming back to pitch for Team
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USA in the championship really jammed him up.
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Oh, no, wait, no, he he didn't come back to pitch for the
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United States, did he? I guess not.
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Right, they can't blame this on the WBC now.
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I don't know, I mean. I'm coming on him being soft.
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Communist has got to do what a communist has got to do, you
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know. Why, how did we get, why did we
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get gas lit by the Tigers right after he finished that start?
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He had that start. Then he had that weird moment
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where he takes his glove off, he's wiggling his arm, rubbing
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his elbow. And then the next day, Tiger's
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like, no, it's fine, He's fine. Everything's fine.
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We're good. He'll make his next start.
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He'll be on time. It's just I I'm so sick of big
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league teams just lying all the time about injuries.
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Stop lying. Just says what are?
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What is the point of that? Same thing happened with
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crochet. He was like, I'm so I couldn't
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be more healthy and then it's it's the 15th day IL I'm like,
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oh, OK, sick, but I didn't know that's what good health looks
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like. Yeah, I don't get it man, but I,
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I what I do know is that based on something I saw earlier
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today, that and double check me if you want to Fact Check, but I
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think he has fallen off of the site young odds all together,
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which is kind of crazy, but I guess that's what happens when
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you miss well, I. He won't qualify.
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Sure. I guess they don't officially
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have a timetable, but I think what I saw was what, two to
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three months? Is that fair?
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That was the initial notification I got, but then
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then it was said to have no timetable.
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So who's next? Who's?
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Who's the Cy Young going to be this year then, if that's the
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case? Because it's certainly not going
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to be him. Probably Cam Schlieler, which
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you'd hate and I'd love. I'd eat that up.
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Don't sleep on Emerson Hancock, by the way.
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Yeah. He's pretty good, too.
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I'm dead serious. No, I'm not even.
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I'm not even. I'm not.
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It's not a bit. I'm like, look out for Emerson
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Hancock. I'm OK.
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All right. Dead.
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Serious. All right, guy.
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OK. Do you want to fight about it
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or? I don't know.
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People were like, like, for five seconds supporting Jose Soriano
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and you're like, this guy sucks. He's a bum.
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He had one bad start, one no. No, no, no, no, no, no.
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Clarify. Let's let's not leave out the
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details. Who was the start against in in
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question? Who's?
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I don't know who's. I don't know my last name right
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now. I who was it?
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Who was it against? It was White Sox.
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Who's White Sox? I don't.
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How many teams are you going to have, guys?
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My White Sox. Too many teams.
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Too many again. Again, what did I say at the
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start of the season? I said the White Sox and the
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A's. I, I, I'm not going to keep
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repeating this every single week.
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You need to just remember the White Sox and the A's.
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You're right, that's on me. 500 or better this year.
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Bookmark it. That's on me.
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That's on me. Anyway, but to your point, Cam
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Schluttler presumed next in line, safe to say.
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There's some guys, yeah. Jan Levinson, I presume?
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He certainly, he certainly would be at the top of that.
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I would think Emerson Hancock would be there.
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Where is Emerson? Can you?
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Can you pull that? Where is Emerson?
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Hancock 259 ERA right now and seven starts.
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But odds wise, where? Does it?
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Should. Are you the odds?
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Yeah. I would be curious to see who
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would be after. Is it you think it's still
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Soriano? Would be after Schlittler I
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would guess. Am I?
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Am I missing? Pretty close, no?
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I mean, as far as what he's done so far, 174 ERAII can look up
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odds in that, but. Odds in that.
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Got one, love it. Love when we get it live.
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Yeah, Gavin Williams would be a guy I'd be watching for.
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He leads the American League in strikeouts, the ER as a little
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bit higher, but you know what I'm saying.
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If that continues to go, he's he's been really good this year.
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My guy Emerson Hancock, 14 KS last outing.
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As far as the odds maybe looking, I'm still seeing Max
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freed Dylan cease, which he's he's been striking out a lot
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too, so. Yeah.
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What do you what do you like? Do you like the the FanDuel?
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What do you I'm the? Biggest insider guy myself but
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no free ads. Schlittler with the lowest Max
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freed right after Dylan Cease, then Soriano, then degrom, then
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Gavin Williams. So what does this mean for the
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the the Motown kiddies? This is the.
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I think this is good news for them.
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I'm, I'm going to argue that this is no, I think this is good
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news. I think, I think he probably
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becomes a little bit more affordable.
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You know, if you're, if you're looking to negotiate, I, I as
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far as this year, you know, it's probably not great.
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It doesn't help that the rest of the rotation's kind of a mess
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right now, with a one Framber Valdez finding himself in more
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trouble, and then Flaherty has been booty.
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Justin Verlander is 68 years old.
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Who else am I missing in that? Casey Mize and Verlander both on
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the IL. Still, yeah, just a bunch of
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injuries. I don't know, man.
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I there's there's some pieces that I'd be excited about.
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I think Mcgonigal kind of give some spark to the future.
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Then a little bit to where like maybe the Tigers don't have to
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look at this as like a a right now window, but there's been
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some names. It's just like they're
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underperforming. Glaber's been bad.
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I, I, I would, I would maybe punt.
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To be honest, I would maybe punt.
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But going back to your point though, do do we really think a
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A2 to three month absence is going to make that big of a dent
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in his quote UN quote affordability, whether it be
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deadline, I think if you're the indoor contract?
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Do it while he's hurt. Like just get him at an all time
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low. Say hey dude here's an extension
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for you. Trust we love you.
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Don't go anywhere. Honest I think to that he would
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say here are my 2 Cy Youngs so you can shove that contract
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extension where the sun. Goes shine.
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You're probably right, but. Well, I think he's at least for
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his free agency case, he's going to be looking at some, some
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contracts that are maybe shorter in length with, with options
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built in and, and opt outs and, and all kinds of stuff.
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Because I mean, let's not, you know, let's not pretend that
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loose bodies in your elbow doesn't mean that the UCL could
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possibly be deteriorating there. So I mean, at least you're going
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to, even if you don't think so, you're going to use that.
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You always want to pay a guy a little bit less when you're,
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when you're talking about a guy like this.
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I mean, that's, that's, that's business.
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But I, I don't know, I think it's going to be interesting.
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I, I would even say what are the chances Tigers are in first
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place right now, but they're, they're under 500 that if he's
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back for the postseason, you got two ways to look at this.
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If he's back for the postseason, like you have a great chance of
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still making it without him when you just basically have to be a
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500 team to win that division. Or you look at it to say like or
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you look at it to say, is he movable?
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If you know he's coming back for the post season, would you deal
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for him? A little bit of a less of a cost
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because you're just getting him for the end of the season.
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You know, if you're a, if you're a team looking to go into the
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postseason, if you can add Scubal to your team.
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Well, where would that put him? Where would that put him time
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timeline wise, 'cause he had the, I think he had the surgery.
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What's today? Wednesday.
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Yeah, he had it today. So all of May, all of June, safe
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after all of July, Yeah. So I'm, I'm seeing September to
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be back all the way, but what they're saying is he will be
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back for, for any post season run that they would be in.
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So if that's what they're saying, if they're even playing
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it safe and he's and he just gets stretched out enough to say
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I'm ready to go. That's what I'm saying.
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Like if you're, if you're a team that's, that's in the race and,
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and it's not going to cost you 3 top 100 prospects to get this
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guy now because your, the, your rental cost is literally just
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for the postseason. I I wouldn't be surprised if if
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they entertain, if nothing else, if they get, if they receive
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offers, I wouldn't be surprised if they receive offers.
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How do now, how are we saying just the postseason because you
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just said August all the way. So if you're the team that's
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acquiring him, you're really he two of those months are going to
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be with, I mean, let's just say he gets traded at the deadline.
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Two of those months are going to be in Detroit.
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So you're only missing out on 1/3 of that.
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So I don't think you're you're losing out as much as you might
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think. Well, typically, yeah, Typically
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when you get a guy deadline wise, you have all of August,
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all of September, you're two months down the homestretch.
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I'm saying even if they're, even if this goes a little bit
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longer, I'm thinking his return is mid-september.
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Do you have to be? You got to be.
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I know what traded on that on the IL can you?
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Yeah. Can you?
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No, wait, what am I am I getting?
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Am I getting it twisted? Would they, would they be
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losing? Would all three of those months
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be with Kansas City or Kansas City Detroit?
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Would would the acquiring team be losing anything?
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May, June, July. I mean, that's assuming it.
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I'll look up. I'll look up a timetable here.
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Yeah, because what? No, depending upon when he gets
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back, they might not be losing anything.
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So yeah, I all have to say I don't, I don't think that.
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I don't think, going back to my earlier point, I don't think
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you're going to be losing that much or you're you.
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I don't think you're going to be getting much leverage if you're
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the team trying to get him, is what I'm saying.
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Yeah, I mean, unless it's some just some random team at that
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point who found themselves into a very good position, you know
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what I mean? Like, we have no chance of
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signing him long term. Let's just let's just get a
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rental car and drive the hell out of it for a couple months,
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you know what I mean? Like, what if it's like, yeah,
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dude, Stanley. Hudson in.
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Florida exactly like what if it's just some random, you know,
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like especially with the AL kind of being up for grabs,
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definitely in the central. But you know what if it's like
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some rays team that's just like, screw it, man, like let's let's
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just give him a go and yeah, let's go full throttle for a
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couple months and who cares, right?
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Like we got nothing to lose. I don't know, I I, I still think
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the tiger is in a weird spot. I know JB mentioned like the
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Central just being up for grabs, I'm just not very high on them
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and that rotation looked really good coming into the start of
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the season. Can I be honest?
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And Nate, you can, you can speak to this.
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I'm, I'll be honest, I'm I'm scared that we're dealing with
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the sleeping giant here as it pertains to the New York
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Yankees, regarding their willingness to lay all the chips
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on the table. I feel like we've been talking
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about them for so long. Oh, they bring in a Goldschmidt.
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They, they plug, they plug a hole like they're a mid market
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team kind of thing. I'm.
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Worried differently this year, I'll say that.
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I'm worried that the longer this goes on and the longer that that
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that becomes the rap, I'm worried that eventually things
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are going to change as much as I wouldn't want to see that.
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I'm worried that maybe this would be a scenario where
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they're whether they whether they wanted to sign him long
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term or to your point, if they're just like, we're not
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really interested, we're we're going to continue our our
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methods. We're not interested in signing
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that large of a contract, but why not bring him in for the
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stretch and see if we can get over the hump?
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I, I would be, I would be leery of that.
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It's interesting. I mean, they do have crazy
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starting pitching depth at the moment, but they are, they're
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operating differently, right? Like, you know, Louise Hill came
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up, struggled, they immediately sent him down.
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They're they're committing to moves a lot faster.
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Ben Rice started off as a platoon player at first base and
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all of a sudden he started hitting lefties.
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And so now he plays every day. You know, you look at the Elmer
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Rodriguez being brought up, sent back down right away.
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Volpe, you know, Caballero's hot.
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So no, let's just go ahead and send Volpe down like he doesn't
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need to. They're I think they're
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operating with a little more sense of urgency this year.
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So I wouldn't say that's the craziest thought or idea.
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It's just the the depth of of their starting pitching is, is
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crazy deep right now. So I don't know.
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But you know, I, I kind of see it as like a potential spark
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plug for sure if they if someone does move them, But that's also
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kind of risky. If like you don't wonder, are
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the Tigers willing to drop their price that low and are teams
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willing to pay that much for somebody coming off of elbow
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surgery? It does say two to three months
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too, so I think I was more just leaning on the three months.
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Yeah, it's always safe to air on the longest time to come back
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from surgery. I did because I know sometimes
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we nerd out on mechanics but I don't know a ton about pitching
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stuff. But I was watching this
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breakdown of like his right when he gets to almost landing point,
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he's very uphill. And where obviously most, most
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pitchers are trying to stay down the hill, he's very back
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shoulder, very low. The shoulder angle, the hip
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angle, it's all very uphill. And violent coming down.
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Yeah. And it's, it's interesting.
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He also doesn't have like a ton of that, that like glove elbow
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that like Yanks forward and really kind of pulls the the the
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rest of the motion together. He's very out right And the
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glove stays out and it kind of just comes down.
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You can you can kind of see the writing on the wall with
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mechanics sometimes. And I'm surprised that more
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people haven't been like, it's coming.
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It's coming. Like we said that about Chris
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Sale, You know what I mean? When he was still a white sock,
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it was like. He's great, but this motion is
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going to bring issues at some point.
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This frame can't support this kind.
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Of power, yeah. And so I'm, I'm kind of
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surprised because of how funky Scubal is that no one's really
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seen that. I mean, back-to-back Cy Young
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just kind of silences that, I suppose.
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But baseball is not in a better place without him.
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I I'll say that as much as much as we dig at him for Team USA
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stuff, he's a damn good pitcher. Wish we still had him.
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Who's we? Baseball.
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Baseball. Oh, OK, he's already a Yankee
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and I. Was like, I was like, was he
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previously a Yankee in another lifetime?
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I'm already there. You you sold it.
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You sold it well. Speaking of the state of
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baseball, baseball would be better off if Framer Valdez
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wasn't in it. I tell you that much.
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I'll go ahead and say that guy sucks.
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Look, when are we going to, when are we going to realize as a
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sport what, what and who Framer Valdez is?
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You know, you know, tip of the cap to AJ Hinch because I think
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AJ Hinch, his own manager, realizes the kind of player that
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framework out this is. And if you have no idea what
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we're talking about, the Tigers. Red Sox series me and I've been
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travelling. Please help me.
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Tigers, Red Sox. Yeah, that's why Nate's about to
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fall asleep. So that if if you're wondering,
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but honestly, he's he's holding his own.
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So tip of the cap to you, my friend.
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I'm. Having outer body experiences.
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Anytime I speak, it's not me. This is a little sauce.
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So basically this as I was saying the the Sox Tiger series
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is going on right now. Framber got his Framber
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basically got his lunch taken away from him in the form of ten
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runs, and he had given up back-to-back homers off of it
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was Abreu and. Who was the other?
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The hitter before Abreu. Was it Duran?
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No, it was Contreras, right? Contreras.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Contreras and Brave.
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And then proceeds to plunk story intentionally, very clearly,
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intentionally. Cause the dugouts start
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clearing. Here come the Where did it hit
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them? It was, yeah, it was the back.
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But very clearly intentional. The dugout's clear.
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Here come the here come the bullpens.
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And where does Framer Valdez go? The back of the pile and the Red
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Sox have obviously thought it was dirty.
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Chad Tracy and her manager thinks it was dirty.
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AJ Hinch wouldn't even come to bat for his own guy, which tells
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you what the deal was. And then of course, afterwards,
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Framber Valdez via a translator says I know how the situation is
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for this team, but there shouldn't be a suspension in
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that situation. You saw, he said it was not
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intentional. It might look like it, but it
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wasn't. I was trying to throw strikes
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after 2-2 consecutive home runs. I was trying to go back in the
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zone and that pitch came out of my hand.
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And then the the Hinge quote, he said, he said we play a really
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good brand of baseball here that didn't feel like it.
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He said it's not judging intent. I have no idea.
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But I know when you go out there on the field and you end up sort
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of in those confrontations, you usually feel like you're in the
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right. And it didn't feel good being
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out there. So I understand their
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frustrations. I understand the moment.
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And it was a low moment of a frustrating night.
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In other words, he wishes forever Valdez wasn't pitching
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for his ballclub. Think that's pretty clear.
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That's how I'm reading into it. But I just don't know at this
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point. And credit to baseball fans, I
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don't know that there are many people defending Framer Valdez
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at this point. But if there are, what are you
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doing? I mean, this guy is so
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obviously, so transparently a me guy, a guy that takes out his
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frustration on his own team. I think.
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And many people are speculating he was getting Hinch was leaving
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him out there to eat innings because the bullpen was cooked.
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And people are speculating that Framber wanted to get out of the
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game. So he took the matters into his
25:07
own hands and said, I, I think I've got a very simple way to
25:11
get out of this game and then was yanked.
25:14
So, you know, credit to him for the smarts, I guess.
25:17
But. I don't think that theory either
25:18
you're. Still an idiot, no disrespect.
25:21
Well, disrespect. It's good stuff.
25:26
All right, I'll say I, I'll get into the, I'll say that I don't
25:32
think there's ever a time unless I maybe twice.
25:37
If, if you're a major leaguer, you want to be out there.
25:40
I, I have a hard time with that one pretty much all the time.
25:43
I know we like to say that a lot.
25:44
What do you mean out there? Like to be like, I want to come
25:49
out of the game is not something that most major leaguers are
25:52
capable of saying. Sure.
25:54
Like they're just not wired that way.
25:55
That's that's why they're there. That's how they made it.
25:58
But, and I imagine it does happen sometimes, I just think
26:02
that's literally the last place I'll go.
26:04
But I mean, we can go back to obviously crossing up the
26:07
catcher last year, making a 20 minute video to try to convince
26:12
suitors that he's not a bad guy. AJ Hinges coached him for three
26:17
years in Houston. He knew what he was signing up
26:20
for. I, I think what he's saying is,
26:23
you know, this kind of sucked, but if you go back early in that
26:29
game too, he's he's showing his grip to the guys on second base.
26:34
They kept stealing 2nd to get back in position.
26:37
And you could tell by the look on his face, he knew it was
26:39
going on and he wasn't able to stop it.
26:42
I mean, Rafaela got a Trevor story, tipped him off to what
26:47
was coming and he took advantage of it and hit a three run Homer
26:51
over the wall. I, I'm not taking anything away
26:53
from a hitter. They're still hard to hit, but
26:56
it's a little easier when you know what's coming.
26:58
And if if that's where they were and and Framber was mad about
27:01
it, to me, you're you're just be better.
27:05
Stop showing your grip. Stop giving away your pitches.
27:09
Don't. Here's the thing.
27:12
That pitch he threw, his story spinal cord was the 1st 4 seam
27:18
fastball he's thrown this season.
27:21
The. Only one.
27:22
Sinker. Baller, right?
27:24
Yeah, the only one. It goes the other way.
27:26
Someone, somebody had posted a picture like you know, you get
27:30
the pitch breakdowns, like the graphic where it shows the
27:32
strikes on it, the different colors of corresponding to the
27:34
different pitches. There was 1 red dot on there and
27:38
it was the four seam fastball and the tweet was trying to
27:41
figure out which one he hit story with and it was the lone 4
27:45
seam fastball on there. Guy's an idiot man.
27:50
Like what? Like?
27:53
And they're stuck with that scumbag for how long?
27:56
Four year? 4 more years after this.
28:01
Yeah, like that's, that's what you're working with guys.
28:04
Yeah, I I looked it up right before I I said that just to
28:08
validate, but. No, it was only three.
28:13
Just remember he was out. He was out on the market
28:16
waiting, waiting it out. And nobody, nobody would bid,
28:18
nobody would, nobody would take the bait because he, he wanted,
28:23
I think he wanted what, 5 or 6? Nobody would take it.
28:26
So. To their credit, This is why.
28:28
Three of us, yeah. But why?
28:33
Why subject yourself to this in the 1st place?
28:36
Like, sure, OK, we'll be the team that we we won't, we won't
28:38
bite. We won't give him six years,
28:41
we'll give him three. It's like, why?
28:42
Why subject yourself to even the three if this is what you if, if
28:47
this is who you knew you were getting?
28:51
Interestingly enough, I think AJ Hinch, I think he's the guy that
28:57
said, I, I've, I've had this guy before.
28:59
I, I've had this guy before. I know how to deal with him.
29:02
The toxic relationship I can I can fix him.
29:05
Well I mean, what did Hinch do though?
29:08
Those comments after the game? He's there today isn't he?
29:13
Like Hinch isn't suspended. Yeah, Hinch got suspended the
29:17
game, did he? Yeah.
29:19
OK, this guy, this idiot is costing AJ Hinch games.
29:22
He better have, that's all I'm saying.
29:24
And Framber Valdez? Wait, what are you saying?
29:28
Who better of what? Hinch better have the MLB is
29:32
making statements like this. I think it's stupid.
29:35
I don't think he should be. Yeah, he was suspended a game.
29:39
I don't think he, I don't think he appealed.
29:41
I'm in the game zone right now. I I haven't, I haven't seen any
29:44
mention. I didn't see that he got the
29:45
suspension, too. That happened.
29:47
That happened to Don Kelly over here with Devinsky.
29:49
We talked about it on Sunday. Throwing it to Stewart.
29:53
Yeah, it was. Yeah, I guess.
29:55
I mean it wasn't that blatant. It was literally a 2 seamer that
29:59
ran in, but sure looked like he meant to do it the way he walked
30:02
at him afterwards. Yeah, but he's not as good of a
30:06
pitcher as Framber either. He absolutely could have just
30:09
missed his spot. Yeah, Framber ended up getting,
30:13
what was it, 66 games? Reduced to 5:00 today.
30:17
Oh, it was reduced. Classic.
30:20
I'm not Sal Stewart thing. I'm I'm kind of all done with
30:25
young hitters chirping like you haven't.
30:29
You haven't done anything yet. You haven't been here long
30:31
enough. Like you don't, I don't know.
30:34
I feel like that's just like an unwritten rule.
30:36
Like, yeah, I'm sorry. Like it you're not relevant
30:39
enough to think that we're like someone's throwing at you know
30:42
what I mean? Like you're I kid.
30:44
He's he's off to a hot start. It's a it's a inner division
30:47
rivalry, like all this blah, blah, blah.
30:50
But like earn, earn your spot a little bit more, dude.
30:53
Like there's. Less of it.
30:54
We've talked about this though. In fact, I think it was somewhat
30:56
recently in. The minority with that but.
30:59
The these younger players, especially the ones that come up
31:02
in their impact players immediately, the more that that
31:05
happens, the more it's the more it becomes commonplace that
31:08
you've got 20/21/22 year olds basically running the show.
31:13
There's going to be less of the the earn your Stripe
31:15
conversation because it's like we're doing what what guys used
31:21
to do in their primes. So.
31:22
I think that's why I think that's, I don't like that it's
31:26
switched to almost like a like pitcher only mentality at this
31:31
point. You know what I mean?
31:33
Like it. I feel like pitchers are the
31:35
only ones that are policing that mindset.
31:41
Hitters don't. Well, they're not anymore
31:44
because they just get suspended if they go inside.
31:46
So they're just taking that away.
31:48
They're taking that whole brand of baseball away.
31:51
And I, I don't, I don't necessarily I'm on the fence
31:56
with it. I mean, I think that there is a
31:57
place. Going about it, yeah, but chin
32:00
but. Like, I just think right now the
32:01
way just throw the ball so hard right now that I think people
32:05
just they don't want to see injuries.
32:06
I don't really know as far as the S Stewart thing though.
32:10
I mean, that was pretty much all Davinsky there.
32:12
Bring bringing it back to Pittsburgh, No.
32:14
No, no, but I mean, because I don't think it was the fact that
32:17
Sal Stewart was saying anything. So I just for his sake, I don't,
32:23
I don't really think that's even what it was.
32:24
I'll defends. Everywhere JB is depending on
32:26
red. I'll defend Sal Stewart there.
32:28
I mean, I'm not going to defend Davinsky.
32:31
He's he cost our manager a game. You saw if you watch the game
32:34
last night, they kind of needed DK to be there.
32:37
But Donny. Boy because Because Donnie boy.
32:44
Yeah, so I don't know, Davinsky just kind of showed up because
32:47
he had to and gave up a couple homers and it's time for him to
32:50
go. I think he took offence to the
32:53
fact that he got set before the the hitter looked up and there's
32:58
just no need to do that like. That's a whole thing.
33:00
That happens all the time. Not that we got to talk about
33:02
the pitch clock or anything, but that's an element to all this
33:05
that I hate. Is this whole like the mind game
33:09
that you play with, with the not looking up, the trying to get
33:13
guys to, you know, to run the clock, things like like just can
33:19
we just have the pitch clock be the pitch clock and not have it
33:21
be a game within the game? Like it's whatever anyway.
33:25
But yeah, going back to your point about policing robbed Baio
33:29
of a chance to to even the score, if you will, because they
33:32
they issued warnings and everything.
33:34
It's like, why don't why don't our guys get a shot to sort of
33:38
police things out, but whatever. I don't like that either.
33:40
Who was it? Who was the?
33:42
Is that the the famous argument between the umpire where he was?
33:48
Oh, you give us a shot. You give us a shot.
33:51
Collins What's a guy's name for the Mets?
33:54
Terry. Terry Collins, that was it.
33:56
You didn't even give us a shot. We're in the jackpot, Terry.
34:02
That's a great clip. That's an unbelievable clip.
34:08
Any who's Speaking of Speaking of a former Ranger, former Astro
34:18
in Framer Valdez, Let's talk about a current Astro.
34:21
Woven together, isn't it? Yeah, kind of is kind of is
34:26
Carlos Correa out for the rest of the year undergoing season
34:30
ending surgery after he suffered A torn tendon in his left ankle.
34:35
Seeing a lot of people say to point back to the, what was it
34:41
the the Giants acquisition and and the OR no?
34:45
Well, he said the Twins and the Giants bailed on the on the
34:49
contract. What were the Mets involved in?
34:52
The Were the Mets in the mix with that, too?
34:54
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I had a lot.
34:57
There was I saw a lot of people pointing back to that being
34:59
like, oh, so they were they were right in in backing out.
35:02
It's like, well, if if your point that you're making is
35:08
related to his overall health or lack thereof, then sure.
35:12
But this was a different leg. If if that's what you're or if
35:17
that's a leg you're worried about, it's not that one
35:21
different side, but All in all, just another another, another
35:30
obstacle for a scuffling. Well, they're not scuffling.
35:34
They're just downright bad right now.
35:35
The Houston Astros, tough blow for them.
35:39
Seems like he was off to a halfway decent start this year.
35:43
Yeah. Yeah, I feel like they, I think
35:48
they just made some poor decisions, you know, like
35:54
bringing Altuve back at second. I think he, I think he's ranked
35:59
as one of, if not the worst defensive second baseman in
36:03
baseball at the moment. You traded away Mauricio Duban,
36:08
who is flashing leather all over the place for the Braves.
36:14
Swinging it too. Yeah, like he's, he's been
36:17
incredible. You know, I, I, I like Jeremy
36:22
Pena, but outside of that like 1 postseason, it's it just hasn't
36:29
really like reached what we all thought he was.
36:33
I yeah, I mean, I, I think they just committed in some, in the
36:37
wrong directions in some places, you know, and obviously.
36:41
He's been injured too. He's only played 10 games.
36:44
Right, right. But even, I mean, just going
36:47
going back, yeah, for, you know, last year, 2 years, it's just, I
36:52
don't know, it's, it's a lot of a lot of weird decisions that
36:57
have kind of backfired. And it's starting to it's
36:59
starting to show up in, in their overall record, right.
37:02
We've already gone at length with the with what's his face,
37:10
who's been who, who who is playing first from the Cubs?
37:17
He's like split in time between 1st and 3rd.
37:19
Oh, parades. Parades, yeah.
37:22
Yeah. And, you know, like, what do we
37:25
do with Jordan? Like, how often do we get him?
37:27
And left? It's just I, I think it's a
37:29
poorly built roster. And now it's like really
37:32
starting to show its teeth. I think outside of that, I mean,
37:35
you just named all the good players on their team.
37:37
If you consider Christian Walker, he's killing the ball,
37:39
too. But between him, Correa, Paredes
37:42
and Alvarez, like they're the offense, there's nobody.
37:45
Well, yeah. And then like everybody else is
37:48
not, I guess Christian Vasquez is is doing better than Yan or
37:53
Diaz was, but pitching's been not as good.
37:58
I'm excited to see what the Astros do with Jordan because
38:07
I'm seeing some some talk about possibly moving off of him
38:12
because they have. I mean that would be a very
38:15
quick reload. If you're you can get some.
38:18
Massive. And now would be the time.
38:20
I mean, if you're going to do it, do it this year.
38:22
A guy's on an absolute tear and if you're looking to replenish.
38:27
MVP candidate? No problem.
38:28
Oh for sure, and if you're looking to replenish that farm,
38:31
which is pretty much non existent at this point, now is
38:36
the time when you pull the trigger.
38:40
Yeah, two more years after this, it it just under 27,000,000 for
38:44
him too. So you're talking about
38:45
acquiring a guy who's you're getting him this year plus two
38:49
more years like you can get a haul for that.
38:52
Where would be a cool place you'd want to see him?
39:04
Let's see who could who could benefit from a guy like you're
39:12
done. Somewhere that's like not had a
39:27
solidified DH and it's OK with OK with him just plugging that.
39:37
Yeah, and I mean, it's got to be a team willing to.
39:39
Atlanta I know Dom Smith is done well, but I don't think he's
39:45
even playing that much. Will they will they take on that
39:50
money, though? It seemed like they were pretty
39:52
cautious about spending that money.
39:55
It's. Fair next?
39:59
Who's next? You knew who would.
40:03
I mean that they probably wouldn't spend the money, but do
40:06
you know if they were aggressive enough if if Cincinnati's had
40:10
enough of key? Brian Hayes at third, plays Gino
40:12
at 3rd and brings in your Don to DH?
40:15
Play your Don at 3rd. Could you imagine him and that
40:20
in the Great American Small Park and how small he would make that
40:24
place look? I'll tell you the hubs.
40:28
Tell you a team that could use a full time DH?
40:30
An actual DH? Boston Red Sox.
40:34
Yeah. And I thought that too, like
40:36
that initially came to mind because they have like obviously
40:39
big league guys ready to roll that fit right into the Astros
40:43
outfield. Obviously in in other pieces.
40:47
It's just are they going to be in the in the spot of contention
40:52
come deadline time? You know, well, something I've
40:55
been hearing in the aftermath that the whole core of firing
40:57
and all that stuff is there's people, people who've been
41:01
making the case. And I, I, I can't necessarily
41:04
disagree. Is that the, the point that
41:08
they're making is that Craig Breslow might be forced, whether
41:13
in legitimate, legitimate contention or not, to put all
41:19
the chips on the table because he knows that his time is, is
41:22
coming to an end. And so he might be in a even if
41:26
they're out of it by a handful of games at, at whatever
41:29
deadline or threshold you want to look at, he may be forced to
41:33
to show his hand and, and, and make good point, even if it's a
41:39
senseless move in the eyes of the baseball world.
41:43
Yeah, that's very fair. Nate, you have a point there
41:47
with with the Cubs. Did they lock Ballesteros up to
41:52
a big contract? That's that's no, he's he's not
41:58
so he's he's a rookie. He played 20 games last year.
42:05
He's DH ING for them right now. He's a good player.
42:07
He's hitting three O 2 with six homers this year, but very young
42:12
and not your Don, you know what I'm saying?
42:16
So if he goes back in that deal, like I could see the I could see
42:20
the Astros listening on there. He's catcher first base DH ING
42:25
right now 'cause he he hits, that's for sure.
42:30
I don't know. I could see something like that.
42:33
Is that who Dalton Rushing called fat?
42:37
I don't know that that was, wait, who did you think it was
42:42
or who did you ask about? Ballas Stairs.
42:44
No, it was. That's going to bother me.
42:49
Is it like on the Cubs? Yeah, because it was Nico Horner
42:53
that's standing in the box when he.
42:55
Miguel Amaya. Yeah.
42:56
Miguel Amaya, That's yeah. Yeah, I don't know, just fun to
43:02
think about. Well, hopefully you're going to
43:04
be really fun a a team that would never happen.
43:07
I but I think it'd be cool. It would be the Royals.
43:11
I think that would just be. That'd be sweet, man.
43:14
Just get a freaking bopper. Who's DH in for the Royals?
43:21
It's probably a rotate. Well, yeah, Alpharez's.
43:24
Yeah. Alpharez bad defensively.
43:26
I think he's officially like crossed over into a liability as
43:31
a catcher. But it is.
43:33
It is a rotation though I believe.
43:35
Yeah, Carter Jensen. Yeah.
43:37
That's right, yeah. Probably cags occasionally, I
43:42
don't know. Probably Lane Thomas.
43:45
Who is that? Take care, Correa adios.
43:57
We're talking you're Don. That sure suck.
44:09
Speaking of clapping, let's clap it up for Maddio coming into
44:20
today, Wednesday, 13 homers on the year.
44:26
The last week alone, he's got 5 during that same span.
44:33
Is slugging slugging 963? Slugging, yeah.
44:44
Not no. PS.
44:45
Yeah, no, yeah. I can't, cannot stress enough.
44:47
This is slugging so great on great on Matty O having a pretty
44:55
good, great year and continuing to uphold my take.
44:59
From what year did that trade go down?
45:08
Where I said that they're going to, they're going to forget who
45:12
Freddie Freeman even was. 20. Three, I tell you what, They're
45:17
loving it. They're loving some Maddio.
45:19
Yeah, that sounds right. 22. 22 Yeah, that sounds right.
45:27
Yeah, he. Looks good, he looks locked in,
45:30
looks on time. Feel like that's the only thing.
45:33
The only issue you ever has is timing.
45:36
Dude, swing is money. He has dialed Kazumo Komodo.
45:45
Well, back. Bang, 10 homers on the year
45:49
coming into today. Also in the last week alone, 5
45:55
homers, slugging 839. He's hitting 323 in that span.
46:02
Maddie O by the way, in that in the last week 333 so talking
46:07
about two guys are just tearing a cover off the ball.
46:13
Yeah man, just a a bright spot for the Toronto Blue Jays of the
46:21
great white North. It's been really cool to see We
46:26
I made the point. What was it last week, the week
46:28
before with Murakami being really just seeing seeing him
46:34
really settle in because like we talked about any time a guy
46:37
comes over, you just don't know how they're going to respond
46:39
regardless how how well they're tearing the cover off the ball
46:42
overseas. You just you don't know.
46:44
And both of those got both of those guys have proven that they
46:47
are. That is not that is not an issue
46:49
for them. So really cool to see them
46:51
settling in, seeing the ball real well and mashing on the
46:58
bump. Davis, Martin.
47:06
All in the year sporting an ERA of 164 with a WHIP of 102.
47:15
His last three starts alone, he's notched 24 strikeouts, 10
47:21
in his most recent against the in his outing against the
47:24
Angels, Davis Martin throwing the ball real well for my
47:29
Chicago White Sox, a huge part as to why they're playing as
47:35
well as they are. Another name going back to our
47:40
conversation, could we could, could we put Davis Martin into
47:46
the American League Cy Young conversation?
47:52
Sure. Not as a front runner, not as
47:54
even a top three candidate, but a contender.
48:01
You could. I mean, he's #2.
48:03
That's all I was looking for. #2 in the American League, in in
48:06
ERA. And lastly here I believe making
48:14
his first appearance, but this is all as I always say this it's
48:17
always tricky with him because it's just kind of unfair because
48:20
of who he is, what he does. If if you know, it was up to, if
48:27
it was up to the the baseball world, he'd probably be in here
48:30
every week. But I, I can't do that.
48:32
So I had to pick and choose. But Megan is what I believe is
48:36
debut. Could be.
48:38
For 2026, Shohei Otani specifically, I mean, he's he's
48:46
hitting, but what's really standing out this year is his
48:51
pitching, his last start. Did they did they also do the
48:55
whole no hidden thing? Because I know it was the two
49:00
before, but I don't know with his last one I.
49:02
Don't know, I don't think they did, but I.
49:06
Guess it's been yesterday. Yeah, I don't know.
49:08
I'll have to look. I he he hasn't been hitting on
49:13
those start days like well, so I think, I think they're starting
49:18
to commit to that, it seems. But let me check.
49:23
Please hold. Please wait for me.
49:25
Hold on, hang it, Hold on, hold on.
49:29
Yeah, he didn't. He didn't hit yesterday.
49:32
OK, so that's. That might be done.
49:33
That might be. Just I think that seems to be
49:37
the, yeah, I mean. Less of a hassle for me on
49:41
fantasy, that's for sure. Yeah, that's a that's a blessing
49:44
for you. No, I think that that's probably
49:48
the the right way to play it. And it's been paying off, man,
49:50
on the bump. He is.
49:52
He has been lights out his last three starts, 19 innings, ERA of
49:57
14224 strikeouts. However, the Dodgers are O and
50:00
three in those games and that's all according to Statmuse.
50:05
No run support for this guy. Guy gave up two homers in a game
50:10
for the first time in like what, forever, maybe ever?
50:14
And they lose 1 say what was it 2 to 1?
50:19
So that's that's fun. But the strikeout numbers there,
50:24
man. I mean, looking at the last four
50:26
starts he's made going. Back that he got hit with the L
50:30
yesterday. Crazy.
50:32
Super annoying. Yeah, the last two stars going
50:36
back to his April 15th start against the Mets. 10 strikeouts.
50:42
Next game against the Giants, 7 strikeouts, 9 strikeouts, 8
50:46
strikeouts. So the punch out stuff is there.
50:50
He's giving you 6 innings, just about as much of A lock as it
50:56
could be. It went seven against Houston
50:59
yesterday. So everything is clicking on the
51:02
bump for Shohei, which is really cool to see.
51:05
His name has obviously been in the the Siong conversation.
51:09
So that's, that's, I mean, that's the last.
51:12
That's the last. I'm not a big, not a big Marvel
51:16
Thanos guy, but that's the last. It's the thing that Thanos
51:22
collects stones, yes. Infinity Stones.
51:27
Infinity stones, Yes, the last Infinity stone.
51:30
He's got a. Yeah, nerds, we don't know.
51:32
I don't know. You were the one that answered
51:34
the questions. I know I never saw that movie.
51:36
It's. Only been 12 times that Otani's
51:40
given up multiple homers in a game.
51:45
Crazy. The most being 4/4 home runs in
51:50
a game that he won. He gave up four home runs.
51:53
Who was that against? I'm not at liberty to say go.
52:03
Pirate close the book Iron. Man, by the way, that was a good
52:06
one. What are?
52:10
We talking about Iron Man for? You're talking superheroes.
52:16
That was back in 23, by the way. Henry Davis first player to take
52:21
Shohei deep twice in the same game.
52:25
What are your thoughts about Spider Man?
52:29
Is he Marvel? He's not Marvel.
52:31
He's. DC we're just talking
52:33
superheroes. No, he is Marvel because he's in
52:35
the isn't he in all the all the. No, I thought Spider Man's DC.
52:41
Marvels. He's Avengers.
52:44
No, he's not an Avenger. He's all up in The Avengers,
52:47
dude, isn't he? I don't know about that, but my
52:53
boys, my boys like Spidey and I know that's Marvel.
52:56
Spider Man's cool on his own. Superman.
52:59
He don't need to be a part of the part of the group.
53:02
Superman. Why did I say that Superman is
53:06
DC? Hot take, I don't really like
53:10
Superman. No, Iron Man's my favorite.
53:13
Batman's my favorite. You would be a Batman guy.
53:17
Yeah. That that checks out.
53:20
You don't like Superman, You like Batman.
53:22
Why? Because Superman has all the
53:23
powers of Batman knows karate. Yeah.
53:27
That's it. He just knows karate.
53:28
Up man just keeps getting up. Superman's lame.
53:38
Yeah, that's just too much. So Pi was.
53:40
Like Aquaman before Superman. No, I'm just kidding.
53:42
I've I've no no reason to go with Aquaman.
53:47
Not a big Aquaman guy. I never saw that movie either.
53:50
Nor did I I. Feel like DC just doesn't have
53:53
the line up. That no, we're talking like
53:57
National League versus American League, All Star games off the
54:00
rails. That's a that's a bloodbath.
54:05
Speaking of Aquaman, that wasn't that the movie that Amber Heard
54:08
was in? The Johnny Depp chick.
54:14
Yeah. What?
54:16
Yeah, she was in. Isn't she an Aquaman or was an
54:19
Aquaman? By the way, that that was Jason
54:22
Momoa, right? Yeah, Jason Momoa, by the way.
54:25
I'm in that documentary, by the way, on Netflix.
54:28
I think it's on Netflix. I make a cameo in that
54:30
appearance. I forgot that I think we were
54:32
supposed to record that day and Kyle's like, I'm in the
54:36
courthouse. I'm in the courthouse.
54:38
I'm like, what are you talking about?
54:40
I let I, I think I walked to the courthouse because it was that
54:44
close to where I lived, because that's where the that's where
54:47
the Johnny Depp trial was being held.
54:49
Dude, it was crazy. It was that place was buzzing
54:56
like there was a media there all the time.
55:00
You at any given point you could be like crossing the street and
55:03
Johnny Depp would be driving by with the window down in his SUV
55:07
just like waving the people. It was nuts.
55:10
But anyway, yeah, I make a if you go back, I'm in the back of
55:13
the courthouse and some of those scenes, so pretty wild, Crazy
55:18
times, man. Just weird side quests.
55:23
It's got to be the weirdest side quest anyone has ever done.
55:28
Crazy crazy. Anyway, closing the book, talk
55:39
about one of the greatest side quests.
55:41
What I would imagine of all time is being the voice of the
55:43
Yankees. Nate, your guy, John Sterling
55:48
passed away. Sad day.
55:52
Sad day for baseball. I'm not going to lie, man, it,
55:56
it hit me. I was, I was sad all day that
56:01
he's just such a happy dude. He was just super, just himself.
56:05
Very unique, very goofy, very much the the old school
56:11
storyteller over the mic obviously has like, you know, a
56:16
ton of like unique, fun, customized home run calls.
56:25
Yeah, I think I saw, I watched some story that Michael Kay was
56:28
saying about him wanting to to hold on as long as he could to
56:33
walk his daughter down the aisle.
56:34
I was like, dude, jeez, crying about a guy I've never met.
56:37
But it really is like, I don't know, there when you hear voices
56:44
similar to the way, you know, I'm sure Dodgers fans felt about
56:47
Vin Scully and, and baseball fans in general.
56:50
Like, it's just, he's just awesome and and just so much
56:56
fun. And his dynamic with Susan
56:59
Waldman in the booth was always just really cool.
57:02
And yeah, but it was it was a sad day for sure, but looks like
57:10
the Yanks will be rocking the the patch on their sleeve with
57:15
the microphone, which I think is really cool.
57:19
I don't know. I they did it on the day he
57:22
passed. I don't I haven't been out of
57:24
town, so I haven't really watched.
57:25
But they played his, you know, his famous Yankees win, Yankees
57:33
win over the speakers after that, that one game.
57:39
I think all the fans are like just do that after.
57:41
I don't think they did 'cause I, I saw, I saw, Boone said after
57:44
that game. It's like, ah, that'd be
57:46
something that'd be a nice tip of the cap to do it, like moving
57:48
forward. And I don't think, I think I saw
57:50
that they didn't do it. I'm like classic Yankees.
57:52
Yeah, I don't know why, man. I, I'm, I don't know if they're
57:55
fighting that or, you know, maybe it's something that
57:57
they'll, I mean, who knows? They still played New York, NY
58:00
after losses for years up until up until last year, I think.
58:04
So who knows, maybe it'll come. But man, just yeah, some iconic
58:10
calls. By the way, it reminded me that
58:14
I did not realize your fantasy team name is a home run call of
58:20
his. Romy, my homie was for Austin
58:25
Romine's home runs, so let that sit in for a SEC.
58:32
Did you know that, Kyle? Might have to go change.
58:34
That I didn't know that, no disrespect to Austin Romine, but
58:38
I didn't, I didn't know he warned the custom home run call.
58:41
Every That was. The beauty of John Sterling,
58:43
though, is that everybody did, and that it was cool.
58:47
Like everybody got one. Yeah, yeah.
58:49
Started with Bernie Williams. Burn, baby, burn, right?
58:53
Yeah. And Susan Waldman said there was
58:54
a complete accident. Like it was just he did it.
58:57
That was the first time he did it and it was just out of
58:59
excitement and I didn't know the the obviously not one of my
59:05
favorite players, but the a rod one that a bomb from a rod, like
59:09
a lot of there's a lot of heat around it and like a lot of
59:12
people were like, you can't say that.
59:15
And then a Rod's mom was like, no, I love it.
59:18
And he's like, screw it, I'm going to keep doing it then.
59:21
So, John. You can't say that.
59:23
In this city, like, yeah, right. Like, but no, dude, just just a
59:29
super fun name and fun guy. And yeah, sad day, but I think
59:38
the Yankees did a good job with the honoring and, you know,
59:41
Michael Kay and Susan Waldman kind of walking out with flowers
59:44
and placing them on the plate. Michael Kay's first home run
59:49
call was a copy of John Sterling's home run call, which
59:54
was Aaron Judge. So just a lot of cool stuff.
1:00:00
Good memories. I didn't grow up in the area,
1:00:04
but I love, you know, just like reading all the comments of
1:00:07
Yankee fans being like that. I grew up and it made me think
1:00:10
of my dad, you know, like growing up with my dad,
1:00:12
listening to games in the car and stuff like that.
1:00:15
I think, you know, sometimes we forget that the broadcasters
1:00:20
have just as much of an influence sometimes as as
1:00:24
players do. So awesome dude.
1:00:29
Awesome dude. Well, I mentioned an awesome
1:00:36
dude, and I can think of another awesome dude.
1:00:42
Marais, Question of the Week. It's time for Marais Question of
1:00:47
the Week. Let's let's give a let's give a
1:00:49
little shout out to Marais Marais fighting it right now.
1:00:53
So we love you, Marais, if you're hearing this, Apparently
1:00:56
it's some He's working on a car and just absolutely destroyed
1:01:01
his knee. So I think he's on crutches
1:01:02
right now. I was supposed to see him.
1:01:05
We couldn't even meet up his bedroom, I think.
1:01:11
Terrible. Yeah.
1:01:14
I'm surprised he didn't try to put wheels on the crutches or
1:01:17
something and he. Said he said he was trying to
1:01:20
talk his wife into letting him out and his wife said no, no
1:01:24
shot. No shot.
1:01:32
I know J BS. Oh.
1:01:34
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Ray's question of the week is be
1:01:40
at GM for a second and go back in time.
1:01:42
Which one player would you not have traded?
1:01:45
Slash, let go, and then parentheses with the possibility
1:01:49
of a butterfly effect. I'll go real quick.
1:01:57
I saw an interesting, I don't know if it was a Twitter thread
1:02:00
or something or if it was like even a a video, but if somebody
1:02:07
talking about the the butterfly effect of the Mookie Betts trade
1:02:13
and how? That's fun.
1:02:15
That it arguably, I mean, it's like you obviously have no way
1:02:23
of knowing, but they made the case that it led to the version
1:02:28
of baseball that we have even today.
1:02:30
I know it hasn't been that long, but just with the way that the
1:02:33
Dodgers franchise progressed that you could in theory, if you
1:02:39
wanted to. I'm sure there's different
1:02:40
angles you could take, but if you wanted to, you could look at
1:02:43
the Mookie Betts acquisition as grounds for why the Dodgers are
1:02:50
playing at the level that they're playing right now.
1:02:52
So that kind of sucks, especially given who they got
1:02:56
them from in my case. But I would I'd, I'd go ahead
1:03:00
and probably say that. That's a fun butterfly effect.
1:03:03
Let's go through that for a SEC. Like what else is entailed
1:03:09
there? Verdugo doesn't leave LA.
1:03:18
What else is in that? Nothing great, right?
1:03:22
It was Jeter Downs. I was about to say Jeter Downs.
1:03:26
Yep. Connor Wong.
1:03:29
But David Price went along with. It's a good point too, yeah, but
1:03:34
not that he was like stand out productive for the Dodgers, but.
1:03:40
Yeah. But then I think that opened the
1:03:42
the floodgates even more so and it and increase their
1:03:47
willingness to yeah, no, I agree.
1:03:53
I agree. I definitely not that not that
1:03:55
they were pinching pennies beforehand, but I think once,
1:03:58
once, yeah, once the Mookie news came over the wire.
1:04:02
They're just like, all right. Yeah, they just kept swiping
1:04:04
that credit card. Now we go.
1:04:08
So let I mean, if the if, if the Red Sox still had those those
1:04:14
two names, if they still had Mookie and David Price.
1:04:20
You could have you could make your argument that they have
1:04:25
what they need to get over the hump in 21 when they were, I
1:04:32
mean, that's the closest they've been since.
1:04:34
I mean, they won the World Series in 18.
1:04:35
Obviously Mookie was still there, but 21, that could have
1:04:40
been a year. They they secured another one.
1:04:48
It's good stuff. ALCS against the Astros.
1:04:52
JB Is it Koch? I mean, that would be that would
1:05:01
be like the the heart 1, you know what I mean?
1:05:04
Yeah, but, but we don't have, we don't have Brian Reynolds, who's
1:05:09
also signed a long term deal and has been a pretty solid player.
1:05:14
What about like Garrett Cole? No, not Garrett Cole.
1:05:22
I think the GM needed change at that point.
1:05:25
The the philosophy of the Pirates.
1:05:27
I mean, they were he took off because of what they were
1:05:31
pushing him to do there. That was more on the
1:05:34
organization's fault that he he had the I mean, he had a solid
1:05:38
year, but I don't think that would be it.
1:05:42
I think I'd go back to like air Mr. Ramirez, him and Kenny
1:05:46
Lofton being moved to the the Cubs back then was just major
1:05:51
and it was I mean the if you would see the return there,
1:05:56
Bobby Hill and Jose Hernandez and I mean just nothing really
1:06:05
bad trade. That would be one.
1:06:08
I was trying to think of something outside of the of the
1:06:12
Pirates though. But.
1:06:14
But that's a good butterfly effect on the opposite side, you
1:06:17
know what I mean? Like the Cubs not not having
1:06:22
Ramis Ramirez would be pretty, pretty interesting.
1:06:27
Yeah, I mean, and the fact that they they got Ramirez and Kenny
1:06:33
Lofton in that deal too, or Jeez Louise, Matt Brubeck, Jose
1:06:41
Hernandez and Bobby Hill, like can he often?
1:06:44
Get moved right away. He moved around quite a bit.
1:06:51
I don't. I don't remember him as a cub at
1:06:53
all. Yeah, it looks like just, I
1:06:54
mean, the rest of that 2003 season and then he went on and
1:06:59
signed with New York in the like after that.
1:07:06
There's an Ant on my mic. Good stuff.
1:07:09
Do you hear? Is he dropping some takes?
1:07:11
I can't really hear. I'm sorry, in the hand.
1:07:23
I looked. I looked up.
1:07:24
Just like. Bro is spitting right now
1:07:27
trades. Just like horrible trades in
1:07:32
Yankee history and there wasn't like anything like monumental
1:07:37
that I can easily say. One that surprised me that I
1:07:42
wasn't aware of was Fred McGriff did not know that Fred McGriff
1:07:48
was was drafted by the Yankees. Was he really?
1:07:52
Yeah, yeah. Bunch of no names that were in
1:07:56
return. It was like a 9th rounder
1:07:58
though. It's weird, man.
1:08:00
Kill it. Squish it.
1:08:03
Dude, he's just trying to make a trying to make a, a career out
1:08:07
of podcast and am I going to crush his dreams?
1:08:11
Is he going to die before this is even posted?
1:08:14
Right look, he's back on the mic bars.
1:08:20
Oh boy. Wait, so how long did that
1:08:22
tenure last then for McGriff? He was, he was a minor leaguer,
1:08:25
I think. I don't, I don't think he was
1:08:27
anything yet. Never.
1:08:29
But obviously, you know, freaking Hall of Famer.
1:08:33
Right. But no, I think that I I went
1:08:41
more signing and not, not that it was like a let go because I
1:08:45
think there was an offer thrown out there, but I think what
1:08:48
could have been if Robbie Cano stayed as as a Yankee the rest
1:08:51
of his career, that was that was the first thing that came to
1:08:55
mind for me. The BE DS didn't come until
1:08:58
afterwards, right? Yeah, correct.
1:09:01
Yeah, that was in. I was in Seattle, yeah.
1:09:07
Yeah, I wonder how that I wonder how that career trajectory would
1:09:10
have been different if he stayed in New York.
1:09:12
Yeah, I mean, there's like I looked at some numbers and like
1:09:16
I didn't realize he's three O 1 career batting average I think
1:09:23
and. People forget how good he was
1:09:25
dude, he was nasty. He was insane.
1:09:28
And then like home runs, I think he's in like the mid three
1:09:31
hundreds. So you got to assume in Yankee
1:09:32
Stadium like it's over 400. You know, like butterfly effect.
1:09:38
Maybe he doesn't pull a jerkson Profar and say I need to live up
1:09:43
to the contract and take PEDs. Who knows.
1:09:51
But he's been a black hole at second base ever since.
1:09:55
Pushing 4 hundo as a second baseman, that's it's pretty
1:09:59
solid. Yeah, he was.
1:10:02
He was insane. Yeah, that's a good question, I
1:10:09
think, I think. Ant Man agrees.
1:10:11
Just in general, Murray, I think that's a good question.
1:10:14
Murray. I'd be curious to know big.
1:10:19
Promotion Murray. I'd be curious to know what
1:10:22
Murray's answer on this would be for the Dodgers.
1:10:29
It'd be interesting to. Let's play Jim real quick for
1:10:32
the Dodgers, see if see if it aligns with what he would he
1:10:36
would say, 'cause I'm sure he'll give.
1:10:37
Him great credit, by the way, as a Dodgers fan.
1:10:39
He's very rational. He's a rational Dodgers fan.
1:10:45
I saw a post the other day, it wasn't Murray, but I saw a post
1:10:47
the other day where it was like, so it was somebody complaining
1:10:51
on Twitter and they're like, when you remember that watching
1:10:53
baseball is optional or when I when I remember that watching my
1:10:57
team is optional. And then somebody quote tweeted
1:11:00
and said you'll never guess what team is in the header.
1:11:03
And I went to the account and it was a Dodgers fan and I'm like,
1:11:05
shut up, Shut up, y'all Dassy man?
1:11:15
What about like that massive trade, like the early 20 teens
1:11:23
Crawford with the Marlins big one.
1:11:29
Am I guess not the not the Marlins.
1:11:31
I was thinking the Mets. Sorry.
1:11:33
The like Adrian Gonzalez days and like the, yeah, the Carl
1:11:37
Crawford days. With the Red Sox.
1:11:39
Yeah, yeah, that'd be interesting.
1:11:47
Yeah, I think you'd have to go back further.
1:11:48
I mean, they were, I don't know. I mean, it would have, it would
1:11:54
have to be like a Cutch play for me, you know what I mean?
1:11:56
It has to be like, I just didn't want to see X go to another
1:12:00
team, you know what I mean? His answer, His answer.
1:12:04
Isn't he a big kike guy? Maybe it was letting kike go.
1:12:08
I mean, I know he's back, but. Yeah, and then he's back in the
1:12:11
in the One World Series, so I mean.
1:12:14
Yeah, you almost got to go to like world CRI I'm.
1:12:20
Muted. JB we no, we need to have this
1:12:23
conversation right here, right now.
1:12:25
It's not I. Don't.
1:12:26
I don't know when it developed, I don't know how it started, and
1:12:30
I notice it now every time I say it.
1:12:32
I, I I don't. It's not serieses.
1:12:37
I'm just going to, I'm going to write sentences later tonight
1:12:40
over and over again. I don't know what to tell you.
1:12:44
I, Jake gives me a hard time. Everybody gives me a hard time.
1:12:47
I, I don't know why I say it. I think we move on.
1:12:52
He mutes himself. Drinks his pee his.
1:12:57
Creamy pee. That's so weird.
1:13:03
All right, hand up. I I'm sorry, I interrupted.
1:13:05
Made it way. Weirder than it needed to be,
1:13:07
too. No, no, no, I'm not hand.
1:13:09
I'm not hand up in my comment. I'm hand I'm hand up in because
1:13:12
I realized I I cut you off, but I just had to we we had to
1:13:15
address that. I'm delirious.
1:13:17
I have no idea. We were talking about the
1:13:19
Dodgers, the I mentioned Kiki, and then you were going to maybe
1:13:23
give another example. I don't know.
1:13:25
I think you got to go to like the like the you got to go to
1:13:29
like a tough stretch. Like the 40s.
1:13:33
I'm just kidding. Oh, not a tough stretch, but it
1:13:36
actually might be from my, I mean, to JB's point, you could
1:13:41
come up with, I'm sure a dozen heart answers.
1:13:44
But if you wanted to go for like a more logistical slash team
1:13:49
need kind of thing, you may have to go obviously a little further
1:13:52
back given their success over the last however many years.
1:13:55
But any who's good stuff? Any final thoughts from the boys
1:14:04
before we get out of here? Good stuff.
1:14:13
You just call him P boy, Yes. Can we not make that a thing?
1:14:19
Is that his? Show the camera the color of
1:14:22
your of your cream soda, everybody.
1:14:25
Knows what cream soda looks like, dude.
1:14:28
Also, do you know if that is you're extremely dehydrated and
1:14:32
you need to go to the doctor all?
1:14:34
Right. That's beyond dehydrated.
1:14:35
That's, that's sickness. That's we're talking like kidney
1:14:41
failure at that point. I don't.
1:14:44
I don't think I like cream soda. I never, I don't think I've ever
1:14:47
tried it. I've never understood the hype.
1:14:54
This guy's what flavour was it? It's cream vanilla.
1:14:57
What do you mean vanilla? Flavour.
1:14:59
It's cream soda all. Cream soda is the same flavour.
1:15:03
I I guess. I would think, I don't think
1:15:06
there's somebody out there going no.
1:15:08
I thought there was like cherry cream sodas and like.
1:15:12
I mean, I imagine it would just be a cherry soda then.
1:15:16
Let's get to the bottom of it. That's that's literally what I
1:15:18
just said. Let's see, let's get to the
1:15:19
bottom of this cherry. Cream sodas only have one
1:15:24
flavor, Cherry. That's the flavor.
1:15:27
Cherry cream soda is a sweet, fizzy beverage combining cherry
1:15:31
flavor of vanilla forward cream soda, offering often featuring
1:15:35
notes of cherry juice, syrup, or maraschino cherries.
1:15:40
What other form? What other?
1:15:42
What other flavor? Yeah.
1:15:47
I'm seeing that in in the US and then slash general that it's
1:15:55
it's vanilla. General that it's vanilla?
1:15:57
No General that it's vanilla. I was just leaving it there.
1:16:01
Give him the respect he's due. It's general, whatever, he said.
1:16:06
There's red, pink, I don't know. Blue cream soda, Yeah.
1:16:12
I told you there's a bunch of stuff, man.
1:16:14
Red raspberries Australia these are.
1:16:16
Told you these are told these. Are these aren't real?
1:16:21
Also, I I've about our saluting, I've I've discovered something
1:16:26
new me too that I think we should do is when people say
1:16:34
generally it's General Lee and then whatever they say, you get
1:16:42
it. So like whatever they say is the
1:16:44
last name. Yeah, exactly.
1:16:46
I like that. I also discovered when I was
1:16:50
sending you guys the GIF of that.
1:16:53
Exactly. Yeah.
1:16:56
I also discovered when I was sending you guys the GIF of
1:16:59
that, that they do it also with Major.
1:17:02
Oh yeah, all the. Like a major disappointment,
1:17:04
they say. Major disappointment.
1:17:05
Oh yeah. I didn't realize that.
1:17:09
We don't drop any other ones, though.
1:17:10
We don't. How often does Corporal
1:17:13
Lieutenant come in? Of course, you know what I mean.
1:17:15
Colonel. Yeah.
1:17:17
Yeah. Colonel stuck in my teeth.
1:17:21
I think that's literally one of the quotes.
1:17:23
I'm all done. There you go.
1:17:25
I'll go chasing curveballs. Time for bed.
1:17:34
Reminder, there will be no Sunday clubhouse this weekend.
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It's Mother's Day. Go.
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Happy Mother's Day. Go go spend time with your mom's
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and we'll see you guys next episode next Wednesday or I
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guess, I guess Thursday morning technically, but anyway, we'll
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see you then. P Boy.
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Go baseball. No, that's not right.
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That's I can't. I can't say that I I'm not as
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mean as Nate. I can't call him P Boy.
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That's terrible, that's terrible.
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He'll be JB in the corner. I'm not calling him P boy.
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Anyway, we love you all. And as always, looking forward
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to talking more baseballs. Goodnight, Nate.
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Get this guy out of here. I need to have like a a a band
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sound. Can't find one anyway.
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Everybody already turned this one on.
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Until next time, I think Nate's actually asleep.
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Might be. You awake, buddy?
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Oh yeah, I'm thriving. Hey, buddy.
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Oh, wrong way. You're you're going the wrong
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way. Honestly, that reminded me that
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reminded the way your head was going based on where the the the
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poke was coming from. It reminded me of the JFK
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conspiracy. So if you go back and you look
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at the film of the JFK assassination, if he got shot
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from the school book building that they're that they claim he
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got shot from, if he got shot from behind and the right, we've
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talked about this, If he got shot from back here, which way
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would his head go if he got now, now, now map this out.
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If he got shot from the back right, which way is his head
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going? Front left.
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Why did it go back left? Go back and watch the film.
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Go watch the Zapruder film. Why does his head go back left?
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I'll leave you all with that. Until next time, stay filthy.