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  excited for tonight's episode of Disguise coverage, and the first half of the show,
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  we'll be diving into some predictions, slash questions, slash slash specific pieces
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  for the twenty twenty three Buffalo Bill's offense. On the back end of this
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  episode, we'll be diving into the initial fifty three man roster for the Buffalo
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  Bills. Cut down day was today. We had some releases, we had
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  a trade, we had some surprise cuts, we had a signing that just
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  recently trickled in. So we'll be diving into all of those pieces. But
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  like I said, in the first half of this episode, we will be
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  diving into the predictions for the twenty twenty three Buffalo Bills offense. And to
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  do that, I am joined by one of my favorite people on Twitter who
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  talk ball, who talk football, college, NFL, anything and everything,
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  and also one of my favorite people to get sidetracked talking in the green room
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  with, which is why we started at nine oh six and stead of nine
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  on the dock, because we were sidetracked talking about wrestling and other football things
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  before we went live. And that person I see him nodding in the green
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  room and here he is mister need Tye of the Athletic and recently now of
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  Yahoo sport Us who shows on the Athletic which is also an update and now
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  the Yahoo Sports Pizzer. I punate. I'm thinking here every every day of
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  the week, just gotta covered. I appreciate it, though it's it's you.
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  I like to be regular apparently, But honestly, we talked pre show
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  and you have this gigantic, delicious bottle of smart water that I just couldn't
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  help. It just looks so cold and frosty, and it's just like now
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  it just made me parsh and I realized, like as we were about to
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  start, I was like, oh, I forgot my water downstairs. Because
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  I do like to talk. It's why why I can do multiple podcasts a
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  week and why I can get distracted even though my time gets straight. They
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  go, yeah, yeah, let's talk about forbidden door and backstage politics with
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  the wrestling right now. And I knew, I knew you were on a
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  time, but straight you came in the first thing I said was I'll get
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  you out boom, and then like I saw we had two minutes left,
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  and I I'll just mentioned this one thing and then we start going and I'm
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  like, oh, like it happens every single time, but I appreciate you.
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  Yeah, it is pent up. It's pent up wrestling hashtag segue.
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  Yeah, I'm drinking. I just drink a coffee, so I'm trying to
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  balance out the coffee with the water. Probably wasn't a great idea to drink
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  a coffee at like I was thirty eastern. Yeah, I may have made
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  a mistake, but i was pretty tired. So this is either going to
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  get me through this swimmingly or I'm just gonna be Dan Campbell buzzing off the
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  walls because I just like two fisted, like a quadruple excel. Yeah,
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  it's I mean he needs that though, because he's so big, like a
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  regular. Yeah, I'm gonna do anything for him. I know on our
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  Sunday shows, because I'll go live nine West Coast time, and that's the
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  exact same thing. Like I usually drink that coffee about seven or eight somewhere
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  in that range. Great for the show, and I've learned I've kind of
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  got a nice balance and nice concoction. It's almost it's not like a meth
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  cook, but it's like but then but then like I've learned that, like
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  to just enjoy the crash like Okay, I'm wired. I'm wired. The
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  show finishes and then it's like okay, twelve thirty one, and then I've
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  learned to just like fall fall into the crash like I've almost like twa like
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  I've learned to fall. See it's honestly, that's how I've done that my
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  Sunday shows with my late coffee. That's what I've learned to do. So
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  you've done some like some caffeinated jiu jitsu to figure out how to like roll
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  into it and fall into roll into it. My Mondays aren't just wiped because
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  that I went through a couple of years of that and now I've it's it's
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  experience. I'm a rep guy and itself going into year four this out you
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  white boarded a little bit, get on the field. You start to tested
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  after you know, with practical application, after working on in the lab.
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  We can't block that guy, so we're just going to run around him.
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  That's how we said. That's what we've said him go free. Yeah,
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  that's that's a no cover zone over there. We're just gonna leave it.
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  It's fine, Like we'll address this somewhere else. That's my sleep. That's
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  what That's what I did. I like what he did. Well done,
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  Well done. All right, no more games because you are on a bit
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  of a time constraint. I appreciate you taking the time to join me and
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  so diving into some Buffalo bills offense pieces, and for everyone here so again
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  to really kind of bring everything in succinctly. Got some specific questions that I
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  sent Nate ahead of time pertaining to the Buffalo Bills, offense, individual player
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  pieces, structural pieces, schematic pieces. I kind of gave him filling the
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  blank questions, and he can go in whichever direction he chooses. I'm going
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  to follow up and we'll have some discussion. I will try and keep my
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  follow up a little limited because you talk a lot, I talk a lot.
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  You got to get out. We'll be here for forever, and I
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  don't want to do that to you because you're a good guy and I appreciate
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  you. So yeah, I'm going to switch the banner. We'll go with
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  the very first question. I'm just gonna go right in order from how I
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  texted them to you. So question number one, the biggest strength for the
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  twenty twenty three Bills offense not named Josh Allen, because I'm gonna put that
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  as a huge like disclaimer because ninety percent of these answers with Eco Josh Allen,
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  Josh Allen, Josh Allen just a little hanging fruit. So the biggest
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  strength for the twenty three Buffalo Bills offense not named Josh Allen will be blank.
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  I went with ability to pivot, and this is a way to cover
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  a lot of things. That is why I went with this answer. First,
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  of course, the one that gets the most headlines is the Dalton Kincaid
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  addition, their first round pick, and I'll talk about that in the SEC,
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  but also just the running back editions, the guard editions that they've made,
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  and the continued emergence of like role players like Quentin Morris and signing like
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  Trent Surfield, all these guys. And we had a discussion on our NFC
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  North preview pod for the Athletic or. I was talking about how josh Al
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  Josh Oliver of all people, this blocking tight end, he's going to help
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  all the stars that the Vikings have. Justin Jefferson's the star, and I'll
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  just say t J. Hockinson's like a half star. So but I said
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  stars to make the conversation easier. But how his role can really help that.
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  And I think all these additions with these role players and these other types
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  of guys, these this diverse skill set that they've added is just going to
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  give them more answers as the season goes along, because that's kind of been
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  the Bills kind of think they kind of get a little uneven as the season
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  goes along, and sometimes they like go toe to toe with the Chiefs and
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  sometimes they kind of Look how they did against the Bengals and back the last
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  two playoffs, that's great, Yeah, And it was that was kind of
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  like a compounding of errors that game that felt like it was just kind of
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  like everything built to a heathic storm of culmination of everything that could go wrong,
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  and everywhere you were schematically vulnerable was exposed in that game. They got
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  Lou and Rumote that's that's kind of what he does. See big game Liu
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  and so like. But even okay, we're going with Kincaid and know the
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  words with Kincaid is as a blocker, but as a receiver, he is
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  already a plus guy and that is going to be leading to just some gimmes
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  that this offense can get because of st Stefan Diggs and Josh Allen, and
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  they're kind of one on one ability that they can just take over on games.
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  So now they're trying to just be able to take advantage of different looks
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  the defense are giving. If they want to go soft boxes, they got
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  kind of a giant Cole Beasley kind of guy that they can run these slot
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  option rounds with. And then also you know guys like Quint Morris, who
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  is an inline blocking tight end. So like when you have three tight ends
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  and really four tight ends including Reggie Gilliam, so you know Dawson Knox,
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  Don't Kinkai, Quent Morris, Reggie Gilliam. Now you've got kind of like
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  this diverse skill set just in the tight end room. So if you go
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  to twelve personnel, it could be a twelve personnel with Dawson Knox and Quintin
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  Morris, so two kind of better blockers. It could be a thirteen personnel
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  with Knox, Kincaid, Quint Morris, and now you can just move Kincaid
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  around the formation, so it's thirteen like twelve. That's what the Chiefs have
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  done with Travis Kelsey. That's what why they increase the three tight end looks
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  was, well, Kelsey's getting treated like a receiver anyway. So it's thirteen
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  like twelve, and we're just gonna mess with the defense. So all those
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  things, and we know what the fastball is. Fastball is eleven. Personnel,
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  spread it out, Let Josh go to work, get yourself the other
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  pitches, and I really do think they're they've really gone to the work and
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  really have tried to make these small additions. You know, Kincaid feels kind
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  of like a big swing, but it's not like as much. It feels
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  like it's going to get on base at least, But all these other the
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  Lativious Murray and the Harris, the Damien Harris, Sonny's just to get these
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  guys that are fishing in the run game. Just it all makes sense to
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  me. I've been very bullishous offseason on the Bills, starting when free agency
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  started, because I was like, oh, can't see what you're doing.
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  And then like the receiver room, like they've kind of narrowed the role of
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  their guys, gave Davis, Trent Surefield kind of seems like the all around
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  guy and now they kind of bumped everyone else down. They got their gadget
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  guy now and Harris or Hardy Now, I always want to say hard and
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  then and then my guy, Khalil Shakier, who's kind of been up down
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  like he it's every time he's like two steps forward, wants step back.
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  So he does a couple of good things and he drops the ball. It's
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  like, come on, man. But they do like him, and he's
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  kind of what he is in the NFL is going to be this where he
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  can cover all three spots, just do everything well. And then that's it's
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  nice to have in that receiver room. So again I'm long winded, but
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  I just love this ability pivot because this is what defenses do in the NFL.
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  Once December and January hits, they're gonna they're gonna take away your fastball.
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  They're gonna start wait, they're waiting on that fastball. So you have
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  to start keeping them on even and take advantage of the stuff that they're giving
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  to you. And I think the bills are equipment of themselves to do it.
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  And I really like him. It's so funny that so we're in twenty
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  twenty three You've been on the show several times. I think the first time
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  ever was sometime in twenty twenty one. That seems right, And the first
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  one of the first things we ever talked about on the show was having a
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  pivot for the Bills offense. And literally the conversation that the two examples the
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  one you just gave, like you, you know, gotta have your fastball,
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  but you need your secondary in tertiary pitches. You need that good change
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  up or off speed breaking ball to go with the fastball, YadA, YadA,
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  And the other thing we talked about, and this is your analogy,
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  I've stolen it. I credit you a ton the whole Rock paper scissors.
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  You when you're playing rock, paper scissors, you have to be able to
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  throw all three. If you're great at just throwing rock, that's cool,
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  But what happens when you play a team that throws paper. You need to
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  be able to throw scissors, or even if another team throws rock, you've
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  got to be able to throw paper yourself. And I think this is finally
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  the season where they do have a true pivot with their personnel groupings, with
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  their run game, the ability to mix and match and have their identity again,
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  that fastball is going to be the fastball, but having more of an
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  identity. I think defensively they'll have this too, but just being for the
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  offense more to be like, well, who we are this week is who
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  we need to be to beat you. We don't have to just be like,
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  well, or if I'm a fastball pitcher, so I'm throwing my fastball,
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  it's like, oh, you're not good with low and away breaking balls,
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  I'm pounding you with low and away break That's it. And one follow
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  up question. I wanted to get down on this for you to talk about
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  because you mentioned it a little bit, but I've spoken about it a lot
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  on the show, and I basically I have a feeling I know what your
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  answer is going to be, and I just want you to support them on
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  what I'm going to say so I sound smarter talk about So the twelve personnel
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  piece, it's a great dictation piece. More you can access more than menu
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  without having to turn the page. All that talk about the importance of having
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  success in the run game out of that personnel package in order to really take
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  full advantage of how much of a mismatch you can create. A twelve personnel.
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  Yeah, when when you're getting treated like if you go into twelve personnel,
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  it's the there's a line in the NBA that you are what you are
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  what you guard. So i might say I'm a center, but if I'm
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  guarding a small forward, a power forward, I'm a power forward. And
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  I might say in the NFL, it's it's who guards you. It's how
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  what you're treated as a Mike GISICKI, a Travis Kelsey, these kind of
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  receiving only tight ends. Travis Kelsey is very exceptional because truly elite type of
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  guy, but it's even the guy with Gisicky and there's other receiving tight ends
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  throughout the league. They get treated like receivers. So when a team comes
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  out and they say twelve twelve, it might say twelve. We look at
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  the all these advanced stats, we look at everything says twelve first now,
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  but the defense goes, no, that's eleven. That is three wide receivers.
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  So we are going to trot out Nickel five dbs. We're gonna try
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  to out Dime six dbs. So where you get the advantages is if they're
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  in Nickel, if they're in Dime and we're in twelve, we have a
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  run or certain types of passes that take advantage of that. It could be
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  a play action, it could be quick game, it could be those choice
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  routes we talked about, something to give us the matchup, but otherwise the
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  defense will just get nickel, getting dime and run man coverage. And it's
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  like, all right, where's your advantage. Now we have no speed advantage.
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  We have maybe a size advantage, but now we'll get the Patriots trot
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  out every week. They got two hundred and twenty pound dvs all over the
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  place, So you know so, and then if in the run game,
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  it's you want to get light boxes. Okay, they're terrified to us,
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  but so they're in nickel and they're in dime. We have to punish them
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  in the run game enough, just enough. You don't have to be elite,
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  you just have to do it above average that they have to respect it
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  that they're a command. We're tired of getting five six yards on us.
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  And that's where the combination of those running backs that we talked about, maybe
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  some of the runs they're getting to. This is what you have to take
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  advantage what the defense is giving you and you have to punish them and to
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  do something that they might not want to do, so they go, screw
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  it, we have to go base. We have to get three linebackers on
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  there, and then you get extreme advantages, especially with this potential personnel that
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  they want to trout out there. So that's why I also referred to Morris
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  as the blocking tight end because he's a guy. And Knox has gone better
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  as a blocker as well, but he's a guy that they could really punish
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  you, like we're they're like and they're trying to out nickel and trying to
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  outdive, and it's like, all right, well we're just at pounded down,
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  your pounded down to your throat. It doesn't matter what you want to
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  do. So you just play with defenses and you dictate the advantage. And
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  so that's what the potential of it is. But you still have to answer
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  and still have to do it successfully or efficiently. I love that answer.
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  Again, I kind of gained the system on that one. I knew this
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  kind of what your answer is going to be. I just continue to pound
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  the drum a bit of how important is how important the run game will be
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  for the Bills this year? But especially out of twelve. And it's a
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  passing league, so I've been met with a lot of you know, combativeness
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  when it comes like they don't you need to run the ball, they can
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  just lean in, And I was like, get in order to really take
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  advantages of twelve. And that's that whole piece, the matchup piece, the
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  personnel piece, what you dictate or how you can yeah, be treated oh
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  cool, like Kincaid's in there and you're in twelve. Awesome, we don't
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  have to treat you like that. We'll leave our nickel corner on him,
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  and we're just gonna keep playing nickel and we're gonna do as it and then
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  yeah, and then that's that's you're not and then that's all it is is.
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  I think there's a misconception that people are like, well, that means
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  balance, that means we're taking the ball out of Josh's hands, and it's
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  like, no, you're just those eighteen twenty two times where Josh Allen's not
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  doing something. Well, One, you're taking the load off of him,
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  which is great throughout the season, and also you're just making it easier on
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  the run game. You're making it easier on the offensive linement. They're not
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  dropping back over and over and pass setting over and over. So there's also
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  a mental advantage. But it's really if you could half a first down,
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  that is fantastic because then it's second and five for Josh Allen to throw the
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  ball, and then say they throw the ball on sinc complete, it's still
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  third and five. Third and five is way more manageable than third and ten,
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  and it just statistically mentally, it's just everything. So that is there's
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  other underlying advantages that running the ball has. I think people are catching on
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  too, but I really think you're going to see that this year in the
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  NFL with a lot of teams trying to find their version of that. Yeah,
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  and you know, it's funny. The first time you were on the
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  last question, I remember asking you was, well, you know, with
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  this whole two high nature of defenses, where do you think we're going to
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  be a couple of years from now? And the answer that you gave and
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  we talked about was teams are going to get more into more run concepts to
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  swing that pendulum back in their offensive favor versus the two high, the two
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  high shells and light boxes and nickel personnel and all this stuff that we're seeing,
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  And yeah, it's just if it's sad, especially from an offensive coordinator
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  standpoint. If it's second and five, the world is your oyster. You
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  can call whatever the hell you want. And the defense is like, oh,
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  do we have to Are they going to run it again and get it
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  down to like third and two, third and one? Are they gonna try
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  and gout just for like sixteen seventeen? Are they going to take a shot,
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  Because even if you take a shot, it's incomplete. Cool, it's
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  third and five, which is still very manageable. And if you can get
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  that regularly, if you're an average in five six yards a clip on first
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  down, you know second, all those pieces, Yeah, the world really
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  becomes your oyster. So again, I gamed it up. I wanted to
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  hear that answer. I appreciate you. Second question, the biggest challenge for
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  the Buffalo Bill's offense in twenty twenty three will be blank. This is the
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  other side of the coin of the diversity of the offense is figuring out which
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  ones are good and you only have seventeen games to do it. That's and
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  by the time, and that's really what it is. I think last year,
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  and this will be a partial answer later. Question is that they tried
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  to diversify this there passing attack and run attack and formations and personnels last year,
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  mixed results and probably some frustrating results at times, I think for fans
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  as well. But I think now that they had an off season, now
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  that they had the personnel to figure out, Oh, this is what we
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  tried to do. Now we have some horses to do it. But now
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  they have to figure out, Okay, we got to make sure what the
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  equation is, what the chemistry of all that is, because sometimes having twenty
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  options is not the best thing. Sometimes you just want rock paper scissors.
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  You don't want you don't want rock plus and the lizard I think someone or
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  lizard spot. Yeah, yeah, you don't want any of that as well.
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  So that that that I think is just something. I think that's what
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  having this obstinance is going to really help, because I think they're experimenting last
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  year and the last couple of months, and I think now maybe some ideas
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  are going to be more fully formed. That's that's a good thing to say
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  as well, because there is something to be said for having too like not
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  having too many options. But then when that's present, you have to know
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  like which buttons to press and when I pressed them. And if you've got
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  so many not to mention if you've diversified yourself to the point where you know,
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  it's almost kind of like the uh, the Bruce Lee piece, like
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  instead of practicing a thousand punches one time, you practice one punch a thousand
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  times. And so again, maybe you're super diversified. But if you're only
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  like a C plus or a B minus at all these different things, is
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  that is it better to be a C plus or a B minus at ten
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  things versus B and an A or an A minus at five? Right?
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  And the term I actually was going to use and I forgot to, is
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  you need to find your six moves of doom. And that's it. Yeah,
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  that's that's what the Bills have to figure out this year shows over,
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  there's nowhere to go but down from here. This is fantastic. I hope
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  they're the wrestling people in here will appreciate that that was just that well done.
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  off the second rope, you need the sharpshooter, you need your Russian leg
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  sweep. You need your moves. Oh beautiful, well done. I thought
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  you like that. I loved it. I really don't even want to continue
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  the show because there's no where to go but down. Fantastic, So what's
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• 19:30
  Thank you very much for being here, Sophia. Thank you for the donation
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• 19:34
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• 19:37
  haven't really been analyzing anything, so I'm gonna assume that's for Nate. So
• 19:41
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  content, smash the like. Nate, your previous answer ties into this next
• 19:56
  question a little bit. So talking about how diversified you can be, what
• 19:59
  you can lea into, and figuring out what you do best and when to
• 20:03
  apply those things. Some of that, if not all of it falls onto
• 20:06
  the shoulders of the offensive coordinator. Buffalo Bill's offensive coordinator is Ken Dorsey,
• 20:10
  coming into his second year as a full time play caller an offensive coordinator.
• 20:14
  So you don't have to give a specific ranking. You could if you want
• 20:17
  to for this question. I know you know what the question is, but
• 20:18
  just can give your thoughts overall or ranking whatever. Ken Dorsey will finish the
• 20:22
  twenty twenty three season as a top blank offensive coordinator in the NFL. So
• 20:29
  I kind of my chicken out answer. It's not chicken out, but first
• 20:33
  part of this answer is on our top offensive pod for the athletic I had
• 20:36
  the Bills a second predicted that they'd be the second best offense, would say
• 20:40
  worry last year as well. Be careful, will be careful because despite that
• 20:42
  a lot of people hate Ken Dorsey and think he's the absolute worst. We'll
• 20:45
  get to out the next question, and that's what is yes, and that
• 20:49
  is I think is I don't know if I could say a second best coordinator
• 20:56
  in the NFL this year, but I think maybe on the Mount rushmore of
• 20:57
  the top five. I do think that there is. He's smart enough to
• 21:03
  kind of like he wants to try stuff like he's I think he's a football
• 21:07
  junkie because of just the different worlds he's been in. He's like he's just
• 21:11
  had a long kind of one of those just lifers of really just being around
• 21:15
  the game. And you can see that he wants to experiment. But he's
• 21:18
  also I think smart enough to kind of figure out. Okay, I can't
• 21:21
  do it too much, you know, in the middle of the game.
• 21:23
  So but I think he just he deserves a little bit more credit, which
• 21:26
  again I'll get to. I'll get to on the next question. So maybe
• 21:27
  that might be the second part of my answer here, but I'll go my
• 21:30
  final answer be top five because I do have high aspirations for this offense.
• 21:33
  Is here, Okay, I like that, and I love the a little
• 21:37
  bit of foreshadowing for the next question. So this next question, which I'm
• 21:41
  very excited to see your answer here, the biggest misconception slash false narrative about
• 21:47
  the Buffalo Bill's offense is blank that this offense or Josh Allen took a step
• 21:52
  back last year. And yeah, and that might be some national narrative with
• 21:56
  Josh Allen. I think the new shiny toys Joe Burrow, which just been
• 22:00
  laughing. I'm just like, it's like, really, guys, like I
• 22:03
  love Joe Barrow, don't get it wrong, It's understandable. It's just different
• 22:07
  forces of nature. Like that's what Josh Owen's the only one where I truly
• 22:11
  feel he has that and his own it's chaotic compared to my homes. My
• 22:15
  homes professor smooth. Yeah, that professor chaos. That hasn't gone away,
• 22:19
  and it's as like greatest strength and sometimes as big as weakness. But it's
• 22:22
  like you gotta embrace it. That's what he is and that's what makes them
• 22:25
  great. So but it's just he's so good, guys, and I think
• 22:29
  maybe this is more of a national thing, but then the Bills fans because
• 22:30
  he is just incredible and like just like eye test statistically, even after the
• 22:34
  UCL injury, yeah, there was some off stuff, but like overall,
• 22:37
  he still was like a force of nature. Playoff games were kind of crazy,
• 22:41
  but that's a whole other thing. But every underlying metrics showed that this
• 22:45
  offense improved last year compared to twenty twenty one, and I think some of
• 22:48
  it the growing paints that we've already talked about hinted about the changes, the
• 22:52
  pivot points, everything that they tried. That kind of took like a big
• 22:56
  spotlight for the season. And I think a lot of people are like,
• 23:00
  what the hell are you guys doing just you know, go to the fireworks
• 23:03
  factory, and I think they're trying to build a base. But like last
• 23:04
  year, even just statistically and so on DVOA, which is stat of football
• 23:07
  outsiders or the artists firmly known as football I was gonna say, which may
• 23:11
  need something else based on where Yeah, so uh that there were second overall
• 23:17
  in DVOA and third and weighted DVOA, which means, you know, the
• 23:19
  last tail end of the season or it's more weighted to a more recent game,
• 23:22
  so that it wasn't like they're falling off. That's better than the Bengals,
• 23:25
  the lines, the Eagles. They're only behind the Chiefs and forty nine
• 23:29
  ers last year, and the forty nine ers would supernova after the CMC.
• 23:32
  And the Chiefs are the Chiefs, They're they're the big bat, they're outlier,
• 23:36
  and both of those deva waste spots. Like to credit Brian Dable and
• 23:38
  what he did with Buffalo, but both of those metrics were higher than what
• 23:41
  they had been previously, the year previously. That's what I was gonna say.
• 23:45
  In twenty twenty one, their tenth overall and eightan weighted, So it's
• 23:48
  which are still great, It's just you know, it's a different level.
• 23:51
  Like even if you just look at we always say rankings with DVOA, there's
• 23:55
  still like a stat there, you know, the percentage, and there's it's
• 23:57
  several tiers of difference, like there's a difference between one, two and three
• 24:00
  than eight, nine, ten, twelve. But that's that's what I think
• 24:04
  is just kind of get lost on the wayside. Sometimes. I think everybody
• 24:07
  was ready for them to anoint the Bills last year and then they're like,
• 24:10
  oh, you just won double digit games again and want okay, fine,
• 24:14
  and that this is the national perspective, I think. And but this offense
• 24:18
  was second and offensive success rate, which I means staying ahead of schedule,
• 24:21
  which I think is huge for sush Out. They were closer to the Chiefs
• 24:23
  than the in first place than the Eagles and third, which I think and
• 24:27
  everyone was just hyping up the Eagles offense. The Bills are still like rushing
• 24:32
  the good guys. I feel like I'm going crazy, and and that's what
• 24:36
  suspect offensive line play through him play figuring out the skill position guys, you
• 24:41
  know, investing maybe a little too much like Mackenzie and hoping he ascends and
• 24:45
  you know not. I'm just not saying it's his issue, but that's just
• 24:47
  kind of like one key point they never had not to knock anybody, but
• 24:51
  I mean, you bring in Cole Beasley off the street at the end of
• 24:53
  the year and he's seeing significant reps for you got on the stretch, throw
• 24:56
  down plays, design for him in the playoffs tells you something about what you've
• 25:00
  got it that pacifically, and that's where these other editions where I'm like,
• 25:04
  okay, that's where they're they're building answers that it's really that's that's what these
• 25:08
  good teams need. The Chiefs went through this exact same thing. They had
• 25:12
  to go do the exact same their own version of it. Every offense,
• 25:15
  every elite offense that maybe hits a stumbling block, has to figure this out.
• 25:18
  The Bengals had to do their version where they became a gun heavy run
• 25:22
  team and they became just mister efficient as as a tire offense, it was
• 25:26
  instead of just running nine to eight nine all balls. I know, I'm
• 25:30
  like, they're not that good guys, and then the next day I'm like,
• 25:33
  yeah, they're actually really good. Sorry my bad, but but all
• 25:34
  the I mean even the Dolphins. And in December the game at Buffalo was
• 25:40
  the Dolphins were they got kicked in the teeth by the Chargers the week before,
• 25:44
  where they just took the Chargers just took away all their strong there.
• 25:45
  They're fastball And I actually gave more credit to Mike McDaniel because on the fly
• 25:51
  he changed what they were doing and I thought that was pretty cool. And
• 25:52
  they did it against the Bills. Sadly, Bill's won the game, So
• 25:56
  I'm not too worried about talking about it here. But all these offenses have
• 25:59
  to get go through it like this offense. There's only two teams last year
• 26:02
  that had a passing success right abovet fifty percent, the Chiefs and the Bills.
• 26:06
  It's Mahomes and Allen and then it's a tear drop, and the fact
• 26:10
  that he's even close to Mahomes is saying something. Yeah, and there's only
• 26:12
  six teams better since twenty nineteen that had a better success, right it's three
• 26:17
  Mahomes years, it's a Rogers MVP year, It's twenty twenty Deshaun Watson who
• 26:21
  was super and No. Over that year, twenty twenty Josh Allen and then
• 26:23
  last year Josh Allen. It's like this, this is a great play,
• 26:27
  And I think that's what I think. It just got to remind people.
• 26:30
  It's like this is this is still an elite offense that I think is figuring
• 26:33
  out how to kind of eat their weight or eat their weedies, either vegetables
• 26:37
  a little bit. And I think so much of the two is the way
• 26:40
  you end the year, like the especially juxtaposed in the last two seasons.
• 26:44
  This past year, you go out at home with a horrible offensive offensive performance
• 26:48
  and not a great defensive one either. You lose to the Bengals, like
• 26:52
  and you were kind of sputtering a little down the stretch with some inefficient play.
• 26:56
  And so the takeaway at the end of the year is, man,
• 26:57
  this offense faltered last year versus how they ended the year before losing in Kansas
• 27:00
  City with the thirteen seconds game. That offense puts up a ton of points
• 27:04
  and have all these explosive plays, And the thought is like the offense is
• 27:08
  amazing, like they're going to crush it, and we would even even in
• 27:11
  that game. It's funny, like because the whole talk was efficiency last year
• 27:15
  with like especially from a lot of Bills fans, with like Alan under Dorsey
• 27:18
  and this offense, and it was inefficient, the sputtering and stuck in the
• 27:21
  mud and all that. Even that Chiefs game, the thirteen seconds game,
• 27:23
  everybody remembers the explosive plays and Alan kind of winning it for the Bills.
• 27:27
  They forget about all the three and outs and all the ineptitudes until they hit
• 27:30
  that seventy five yard touchdown to Gabe Davis. They were just open, and
• 27:34
  then that's what everyone remembers, yep, exactly, And so you just it's
• 27:38
  that that recency bias, and you take it in and that's what forms the
• 27:42
  entire narrative in your brain for an entire off season. It's the same even
• 27:45
  if you're looking it from an Eagles perspective. The Chiefs do what the Chiefs
• 27:51
  do in the Super Bowl, and so then the narrative for the off season
• 27:55
  is well that that that Eagles front sucked. Although sacks were inflated throughout the
• 27:57
  year, like they weren't even that good up front, and it's like,
• 28:00
  wow, it's somewhere in between. Yeah, it's it's it's that's a little
• 28:07
  evilated, but they're also super good. Yeah, it's always in between.
• 28:11
  The answer is usually somewhere in the grade. But whatever happens at the end,
• 28:15
  who you are, like recently, people usually gravitate towards that end of
• 28:18
  the extreme. So if you played great, oh my god, they're amazing.
• 28:21
  If you play poor me poorly, oh my god, they're the worst.
• 28:22
  And for most things, it's usually somewhere in between. And so I
• 28:26
  like that piece. I like that piece. I got one more question for
• 28:29
  you. We're good to go. Yep, that's beautiful. Perfect. I
• 28:30
  really want to get you out on time, even though again it's our beautiful
• 28:33
  I appreciate you. Okay, last question here, player piece. The most
• 28:37
  important player on the twenty twenty three Bills offense not named Josh Allen or Stefan
• 28:44
  Diggs will be blank. So I couldn't say the entire offensive line, so
• 28:48
  I went I went with James Cook because I haven't really talked about him yet,
• 28:53
  and I kind of want to got some stats. Uh, So I
• 28:56
  kind of want to throw those out here. But James, I think every
• 29:00
  Bills fans very excited. James's very explosive, and that I mean, it's
• 29:03
  again another guy. I always try to find this where it's like, Okay,
• 29:07
  I look at the eye test. Okay, yes he is explosive.
• 29:08
  But is it just like we just talked about, is it sometimes am I
• 29:11
  getting carried away with it? It's like, no, the underlying numbers were
• 29:15
  right there. He's efficient and explosive. He can pass, catch, and
• 29:18
  I think this offense is no offensive. Devin Singletary is just but just getting
• 29:23
  this element of creating ten yards when it's blocked for six as opposed to six
• 29:27
  for six, and Singletary can get you that. I actually kind of appreciated
• 29:32
  him a little bit more. Maybe you know, he's not I didn't think
• 29:34
  he was ever a great player, but just a little bit more maybe last
• 29:37
  year than maybe I had before. But I think with Cook in this kind
• 29:41
  of low usage role, like he was fourth in a month all running backs
• 29:44
  last year, and successful targets per route run, which is we just successful
• 29:48
  play is usually four yards and first down, half a second down, all
• 29:49
  the third down. So I use that term a lot just explain it for
• 29:52
  anybody. But fourth a month, all running backs, he was only behind
• 29:56
  Eckler CMC and then Derrick Henry H. It's a lot of screens, a
• 30:00
  lot of screens, route route running. He always always drinks high because he's
• 30:06
  like, he's amazing on screens because he just catches it and then like the
• 30:08
  first usually the first defender sometimes like that dB knives ahead, takes out the
• 30:12
  screen guy. No one ever does that to him, So he just creates
• 30:17
  like eight yards of pop. I got every screen, but so just like,
• 30:19
  okay, so that only But the thing was, it was only thirty
• 30:22
  two targets, just over one hundred routes, So can we extrapolate that he
• 30:25
  had eighty nine designed runs? But he was above average on success rate on
• 30:29
  that he was just he was tied with Jamal Williams, who I think if
• 30:32
  and when watched Jamal Williams, he's kind of like a classic efficient back.
• 30:36
  He's a bruiser. So these are all good things. But the flip side
• 30:40
  of this is he's a sub two hundred pound running back and only five running
• 30:44
  backs since two thousand and two. Yeah, I always go back to two
• 30:47
  thousand and two, but only five running backs of two thousand and two,
• 30:48
  I have had multiple seasons and two hundred and fifty plus touches. I know
• 30:52
  this is his first season. They're potentially getting that. There's only been seven
• 30:56
  that've had three hundred plus touches in just a single season, and I think
• 31:00
  he's going to be more than that two hundred two hundred and fifty ish touch
• 31:03
  range. But just saying that that is a bit of an outlier to expect,
• 31:07
  and that's why it's I do think he is explosive. It's just can
• 31:10
  we see this for two hundred plus touches as opposed to about I think he
• 31:14
  had about one hundred last year, so now we have to double that.
• 31:17
  Can obviously he's going to drop in some efficiency. The guys that I've only
• 31:19
  had it from multiple seasons are Ray Rice, Chris Johnson, Austin Ekeler worked
• 31:22
  on in Jamal Charles, so yeah, and James Cook. And I think
• 31:27
  everyone likes James Cook. James Cook is like, that's what the expectation is
• 31:30
  for him, which is pretty crazy, and this is I just I'm saying
• 31:34
  this also is a good way, but also just like, you know,
• 31:37
  keep it realistic with him. Is that. I think there's sometimes that he's
• 31:41
  going to be limited some of the touches he can take. I think there's
• 31:42
  gonna be a little bit more injection of Damien Harris in some games, and
• 31:45
  he'll say he's murrying some games supposed in the past protection and also just bruisers.
• 31:49
  So I but I do have high expectations for him. I think he's
• 31:52
  gonna eat when he does get these touches. I just want to see how
• 31:56
  many it is? How far can the disco stu meme least that's where do
• 32:00
  we stop it? Like where does the where does the graft stop? Because
• 32:04
  I do think it's going up or how high could it go? I love
• 32:07
  that piece, and he he's someone not to just narrow down to one skill
• 32:10
  set piece. But the juice and the burst that he has, I thought
• 32:14
  it just paired well so so much with the Buffalo Bill's offense. If you're
• 32:17
  an offense that is getting these light boxes and two high shells, just give
• 32:21
  it to somebody that go from zero to sixteen a heartbeat. And even if,
• 32:23
  like I'm not saying he's got bad vision, but even if your vision
• 32:27
  sucks, just floor it and you can probably get like four yards pretty easily.
• 32:30
  There's so much space in this offense. Yeah, that's that's what it's
• 32:34
  all about. Yeah, that's exactly right. And I've been more impressed this
• 32:37
  year how we progressed a bit down the stretch last year, but even coming
• 32:40
  into this year at Georgia, he didn't have a lot of patients. He
• 32:45
  especially on gap runs like he's trying to hit the hole. Yes, he'd
• 32:47
  either trying to bounce it or he's trying to hit the hole before the play
• 32:50
  would develop the zone runs here, I'll be honest, sorry to cut you
• 32:52
  off. Is that I wasn't super super high on him. I liked him,
• 32:55
  but didn't love him, Like I didn't picture him as a second rounder.
• 32:59
  So but I do still like him. And so that's where I'm just
• 33:01
  saying. I think it's again, it's somewhere between. Is that these high
• 33:04
  expectations or is it me kind of being as I think it's somewhere between this
• 33:07
  year really, because I think, like you're about to say, I'm sorry
• 33:10
  for cutting you off, that I think in the second half of last year
• 33:13
  was that I was like, Okay, you're getting some feel like you're not
• 33:16
  just you're not just gunning it. So yeah, but I do think that
• 33:20
  that that element is needed, but there is some some patience needed as well.
• 33:22
  No, I think that's fair enough. I kind of was in a
• 33:24
  similar boat, Like I liked him, didn't love him. I oh,
• 33:28
  you'll appreciate this, Like I wanted Rashad White in like the fourth round or
• 33:31
  the fifth, Like, give me that, that's what I wanted. Like
• 33:35
  I thought his skill set thick, great, and I saw a cook and
• 33:37
  I was like, okay. But as the year progressed, he got more
• 33:39
  and more effective. And the Bill's offense this year, I'm interested to see
• 33:43
  what their run game is. It looks like o Cyrus Torrence is going to
• 33:45
  start, which more downhill, more inside zone, more duo. I would
• 33:51
  think, more gap schemes where he's more of the pin and not so much
• 33:52
  to poll. He's a moller, he's physical. But this Bill's offense really
• 33:58
  down the stretch last year got more zone heavy. So there's two pieces I
• 34:00
  want to bring up. So on the year. Last year they had a
• 34:04
  forty one percent gap usage rate, fifty three percent zone, but as the
• 34:07
  season went on, they switched more to zone. So again fifty three percent
• 34:10
  zone on the year. From week eleven on they were fifty four percent zone,
• 34:15
  from week thirteen on fifty seven percent zone, week fifteen and on fifty
• 34:20
  nine percent zone. And that coincided with a higher James Cook usage rate and
• 34:24
  injection into the offense. And then I love that you brought some past numbers
• 34:28
  from James Cook. I had went through my notes from previous episodes because I
• 34:30
  got some run numbers. Weeks eleven through the divisional round, there were fifty
• 34:35
  five players that had at least forty carries to purely players total night, including
• 34:39
  quarterbacks, So fifty five players at least forty carries. James Cook was tied
• 34:44
  for seventh in EPA per attempt, He was tied for tenth in total EPA.
• 34:49
  He was eighth in first down percentage. He had the third lowest hit
• 34:52
  at the line of scrimmage percentage. And then if you take out the quarterbacks
• 34:57
  and you just want to focus on running backs, there were forty nine running
• 35:00
  backs with at least forty carries from week eleven on. He was fourth out
• 35:04
  of those forty nine running backs in EPA per attempt eighth and total EPA,
• 35:07
  tied for second in yards per attempt fourth in first down percentage and second lowest
• 35:13
  hit at the line of scrimmage percentage, Like and one of my biggest criticisms
• 35:15
  for Dorsey. Down the stretch, they started to find success on the run
• 35:20
  game, and I was like, sweet, lean into it, especially with
• 35:22
  like Alan wanting to take more vertical shots and maybe some of that being tied
• 35:27
  to his elbow when he couldn't throw things on a line to the outside.
• 35:30
  Like I was like, sweet, let's lean into this run game that you
• 35:32
  suddenly found. And they didn't as much, and so I love. I
• 35:37
  didn't know what your answer was going to be, Like, I like the
• 35:38
  James Cook answer because he's electric, he's got juice, and it ties into
• 35:43
  that natural pivot piece and also the multiplicity and dictation piece because you can put
• 35:49
  you can have a traditional twelve personnel alignment where I don't know, Knox is
• 35:54
  attached to your right tackle and kincaids off the left and you have a seven
• 35:58
  man service, or you can have him hip off each other whatever, and
• 36:00
  then you can run a play and go a no huddle or stay in that
• 36:02
  personnel package and all of a sudden you're in spread three by two or you're
• 36:06
  in a three by one or a four strong, or you can take Cook
• 36:09
  and motion him out of the backfield and put him out as an actual receiver
• 36:13
  because he can run those routes and succeed. Like you mentioned with that smaller
• 36:15
  sample size last year, he is really a fun chess piece that Dalton kincaide
• 36:21
  is getting all this pub from a chess piece perspective, and it's understandable.
• 36:24
  But I don't think people are talking about James Cook enough as being somebody who
• 36:28
  could really kind of, you know, be a little droplet that helps that
• 36:30
  offense overflow out of the bucket a little bit. Yeah, and even just
• 36:35
  like the quarterback run game that the advantage is that Alan creates is you know
• 36:39
  some of you got to think of the runs that they kind of use,
• 36:42
  Okay, the GT counter, the you know, even just a zone read
• 36:45
  and those types of plays, where do those get a lot of advantage as
• 36:47
  if the back has juice so the vision could kind of get you're not running
• 36:52
  outside zone over and over and over, and they will run it a little
• 36:53
  bit, but they're not going to run that over and over. That's not
• 36:55
  the true fastball this offense. But it's getting in the gun. Like we
• 36:59
  talked about spreading out, so when you have speed at the back position,
• 37:01
  the holes don't have to be as like you don't have to be as good
• 37:06
  of a vision guy. You know, you don't have to like really feel
• 37:07
  it. There's less bodies there. You can kind of get away with maybe
• 37:10
  just making them maybe I'm a little slow to that read, or I just
• 37:13
  went a little too fast, but there's so much space that you can get
• 37:15
  away with it. And I think you know, just think of like a
• 37:19
  GT counter where the two guys pulling. Usually the element of that is you
• 37:22
  have a guy in a kind of a jet sweep or running back in a
• 37:23
  horizontal and the quarterbacks the vertical element. Now you've got a guy that runs
• 37:28
  a four four in the backfield that could be the horizontal element, as Josh
• 37:31
  Allen is the vertical element. So just even those little things, it's like,
• 37:34
  Okay, there's a little more advantage that gets created that not as much
• 37:37
  nuance with Cook, but you know, sometimes speed kills and I think that's
• 37:40
  where it just outweighs it. If you get two more explosive plays and two
• 37:44
  less efficient plays, you'll take the exposive plays all day because it's just it's
• 37:46
  I'm much surether have the twenty yard game. Oh man, you missed.
• 37:49
  You got three yards instead of five. It's like, yeah, well you
• 37:52
  got twenty instead of two. And you take that, yep, and that
• 37:55
  starts to add on and you know the last piece for this there's one I
• 37:59
  love that common because there's one that sixs in my head. It's it's the
• 38:00
  playoff game against Miami and they run QB bash and a land In Roberts for
• 38:07
  Miami. He pauses just for a split second to see if Alan's gonna keep
• 38:12
  it or if he's gonna give it to Cook. It's not even like he
• 38:15
  bites hard inside, so it's an easy give for Alan. He hesitates just
• 38:17
  a little. Alan gives it to Cook and it's that brief hesitation and he's
• 38:22
  done. Cook gets around the corner and Roberts can't get to him. And
• 38:25
  that's the difference between a James Cook and a Devin Singletary. Devin Singletary,
• 38:30
  you need more like a full pause trying to diagnose from the defense. With
• 38:35
  Cook, you just need that split second of hesitation, that split second of
• 38:37
  indecision. And he's got that juice to make you pay and exactly to your
• 38:40
  point, like that Josh Allen. Run game now becomes sexier because if the
• 38:45
  running back is a legitimate threat that you have to counter, that you have
• 38:49
  to be responsible for is a defense. Now you have to honor the mash.
• 38:52
  You have to honor that, like that that run action in the back
• 38:55
  and then if you're tying it in, then that's just even tying into a
• 38:59
  pure run piece. If you're tagging a glance route onto when on the backside,
• 39:01
  now you're in a world of hell because what are you doing? Like
• 39:06
  well, Alan's a threat with his legs, Cooks a threat with his legs.
• 39:09
  Alan's a threat with his arms. Where's Stefan Diggs? Oh is Kikaid
• 39:13
  the one coming out? Like who? And just all of a sudden,
• 39:15
  like you get the option where you can just be like where does run an
• 39:17
  RPO? Ninety percent of the time because we have this run game with all
• 39:22
  this read option piece and then the RPO piece tied to the pass is tagged
• 39:24
  behind it, the world just becomes your oyster. With this versatility and diversity.
• 39:30
  I know that's again the diversity is the word, it's it's exciting.
• 39:34
  It's again I'm bullish, like no pun intendant on the Bills, like I
• 39:38
  really am, Like I just have optimism because I again I just really think
• 39:43
  they ate their vegetables this off seasons and then that they kind of they got
• 39:46
  the horses that I think they needed, that they realized that they needed and
• 39:50
  they did it and I think good ways and how they went about it.
• 39:52
  So again I'm pretty optimistic about the Bills the whole season, especially at this
• 39:55
  offense. I think they went into some self scouting, identified what they needed
• 39:59
  to tweak and who they need it to be. And yeah, I like
• 40:00
  your positivity with it. I wanted to bring up the super Chat because you're
• 40:02
  involved in a little bit the boys over at Talking Giants part of John Boy
• 40:07
  Media. Appreciate you stopping in and then for the super Chat, give me
• 40:09
  a shout on the beginning with thanks for the help on the Basham trade.
• 40:13
  I gave him some insight on who Boogie Basham was after the Bills traded him.
• 40:15
  Today, I e. It wasn't great because he's not great, but
• 40:19
  to each their own. And then at some congratulations for you Nate, Congrats
• 40:22
  on the Yahoo gag and the oh your boy, I s m the take
• 40:27
  with him having trade value, still you loved him, I know. And
• 40:30
  actually it's like I went to a team where actually he's probably gonna get featured
• 40:35
  a little bit, which is like, all right, now, I gotta
• 40:36
  put my money where my mouth is because he's he's he's it's got out of
• 40:42
  it's got out of hand. But it's sorry, it's whatever. At least
• 40:44
  he's still relevant, he's not out of the league. And I'm just like,
• 40:45
  oh god, remember that guy. Yeah everything, he's gonna be throwing
• 40:47
  that at you forever. But remember your take on Marseille. It wasn't even
• 40:51
  that crazy. It was just like I mentioned it, I texted to two
• 40:53
  people at the same time and then they're like, hey, they did Nate
• 40:55
  tell you about this guy? And oh yeah, the Nates, and so
• 40:58
  they made fun of me and then just become a thing and it's just hilarious.
• 41:01
  It wasn't even like my favorite guy in the draft, or I think
• 41:04
  it was a guy who was like a little bit higher on than a couple
• 41:06
  of that's that's Will Share was the guy. That guy from me last draft
• 41:09
  it so it's like, yeah, I've become that this offseason with Dane Jackson
• 41:14
  the Bill's Corner, Like I didn't think he was amazing, but I was
• 41:16
  like, oh, he's better than people give him credit for. And it's
• 41:19
  become like, well, Anthony's favorite players Dane Jackson Like, no, it's
• 41:22
  no, it's not like it's all the time. It happened to me with
• 41:24
  Roger with defensive backs every year in the draft, Like I like, again,
• 41:28
  it'll be like, oh, this is this guy. I'm like,
• 41:29
  I just said he's got good tape, Like I didn't like, I didn't.
• 41:31
  Yeah, it just like them. That's it all right, Nate,
• 41:35
  we went a little longer. I'm sincerely sorry. I appreciate the hell out
• 41:37
  of you. You are phenomenal as always. You got a ton of positive
• 41:42
  vibes and comments in the chat for everybody's here watching. We're still going to
• 41:45
  keep rolling on breaking down some bills roster initial fifty three man stuff. But
• 41:50
  Nate, the floor is yours. Just in case people don't know who you
• 41:52
  are or what you do. Tell people where they can find you, a
• 41:54
  plug, anything and everything you got. Yeah, first off, you find
• 41:58
  me on Twitter, Nate underscore tice. Yep, you see it right there.
• 42:00
  I can also hear me on the Athletic Football Show. We will We're
• 42:05
  rolling with our division previews right now. Next week we'll do some award predictions,
• 42:08
  some season predictions. Last year, I nailed it, if from being
• 42:13
  honest, and I want some credit from my co host at some point,
• 42:16
  I would get it at one point day, at one point in time.
• 42:20
  But anyways, but you can hear me on the Athletic Football Show. And
• 42:22
  I'll start writing soon for Yahoo and I'll be doing kind of an NFL and
• 42:28
  college stuff, more draft focused stuff for college. So yeah, just check
• 42:31
  me out all those just Twitter. I'll be posting clips and a lot of
• 42:35
  wrestling references. That's all I got. But thank you, Chat. I
• 42:37
  really appreciate you, guys. I love coming on Anthony's great So thank you
• 42:39
  guy for having me. Dude, I was gonna say, I probably could
• 42:42
  have like spammed the comments below with just all the kind words that have been
• 42:45
  filtering in the entire episode for you. So yeah, I appreciate you.
• 42:49
  Thank you for taking the time. I know how busy you are. God
• 42:51
  speed, enjoy the rest of your night, and yeah, I appreciate you
• 42:52
  as always. Thanks dude, have a great night. Later you too.
• 42:57
  One of the best and one of my favorite guests, mister Nate twice.
• 43:00
  Appreciate you folks being kind to him in the chat. Yeah, dude is
• 43:04
  absolutely phenomenal and yeah, one of legitimately my favorite people, somebody who is
• 43:10
  great when it comes to, you know, knowing ball and also he likes
• 43:15
  wrestling and a whole bunch of the weird like nerdy things that I like.
• 43:17
  So he's just a cool dude that, yeah, I'll text and we talk
• 43:22
  ball and yeah, awesome dude to have on. Appreciate you focusing so gracious
• 43:24
  and welcoming him, and thank you too. U Yeah, Nate for being
• 43:27
  absolutely phenomenal. Now let's pivot some of the conversation here. So again I
• 43:31
  wanted to have Nate on for some insight into from a national perspective, what
• 43:37
  this bill's offense will look like in twenty twenty three. So I thought it
• 43:39
  was great to get his perspective by having him fill in some of those blanks
• 43:43
  because we talk about, you know, a lot of these pieces here.
• 43:45
  But I think it's I think it's easy at times as a fan base to
• 43:49
  kind of just get into a bubble on what you think your team or your
• 43:52
  players are, and then there's sometimes things become like an echo chamber and it's
• 43:57
  just the same thoughts and the same content kind of being spun around and around
• 44:00
  and around. So it's I think it's important to get a national perspective a
• 44:02
  time, especially if for someone like Nate, who is absolutely tremendous in every
• 44:07
  way, so appreciated the insight he gave us into the Buffalo Bills twenty twenty
• 44:09
  three offense. But like I said, we're gonna bring up the conversation now
• 44:13
  and switch it and pivot to the fifty three man roster. Impressions. We've
• 44:17
  had a ton of fan engagement already here on the show. But as I
• 44:21
  always like to do, questions, thoughts, comments, concerns, anything and
• 44:23
  everything you folks have, whether it's on Jermin Efetti, the right tackle,
• 44:28
  sash swing tackle that the Bills just recently signed before the show went live,
• 44:30
  or Boogie Bashan being traded, or any of the releases, the wavings,
• 44:36
  the injury pieces, players staying what the fifty three man roster is, what
• 44:39
  you want to see at lineback, or anything and everything. Questions, thoughts,
• 44:43
  comments, concerns, ideologies, philosophies, maxims, anything and everything,
• 44:47
  throw it up into the chat. I want to make this piece as interactive
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  as possible. I've got some notes obviously that I want to go through and
• 44:54
  talk some specific things on the roster. But I think when there's such a
• 44:58
  big piece like the initial cut down day and fifty three man roster, I
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  think it's an awesome talking point and starting conversation for you know, a lot
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  of back and forth. So whatever you got regards to the rosters, start
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  throwing it up into the chat. I'll bring up anything and everything that I
• 45:09
  physically can as we go for it on the rest of the show. As
• 45:12
  always, super chats get priority because I respect the monetary donation and because I
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  see the color and it takes me away from my notes. So as you
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  You will not be this point tied. Now initial fifty three man roster pieces,
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  let us go. Oh wait, I see this? This this coming
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  from Spin. Spin says Afetti and Kirksey did Christian Kirksey sign? Is that
• 47:02
  a thing that happened? I haven't been tapped into the old Twitter or anything
• 47:07
  since we went live. Did that happen or did it not happen? I
• 47:10
  want to know. I want to know. If anybody has anything, let
• 47:13
  me know. I'm gonna start with this piece on Affetti, Luca saying that
• 47:15
  I Fetti was a great pickup. So here's the piece I started. I
• 47:20
  saw that he was cut from Detroit and I had some random okay copy Spin
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  says no on the Kirksey signing. I would be a fan of the Kirksey
• 47:28
  signing. I have that in my notes. I'm going to get into that,
• 47:30
  but so I like the segue of you putting in on Kirksy and thank
• 47:34
  you for let me know Spin, I appreciate you. We'll start on Affetti
• 47:37
  first. Yeah, I started watching some of his tape today. You know
• 47:40
  again, regular listeners, viewers, watchers of the show, you will know
• 47:45
  that I've been concerned for the right tackle spot and tackle depth as a whole
• 47:51
  throughout the entirety of this offseason. I thought Spencer Brown was very mercurial the
• 47:54
  roller Coaster piece, and then everything after him, even when they had Brandon
• 47:58
  Shell, I didn't love that movie. I didn't. I didn't have a
• 48:01
  lot of faith in Quest and Barry with where he was at this stage in
• 48:05
  his career. Some of the young guys that they have, I do like
• 48:07
  what they have from a homegrown, in house piece already. I like Ryan
• 48:10
  Vandermark, I like Alec Anderson, Ryan Vandermark. What's very interesting is,
• 48:15
  and I talked about it in the film room with Eric Ryan Vandermark, the
• 48:20
  left tackle versus Ryan Vandermark. The right tackle are two completely different players.
• 48:24
  And I've said this before and a lot of people say it, like,
• 48:29
  left tackle and right tackle are two completely I don't want to say completely different
• 48:32
  positions, but you're playing them differently. Tristan Worf's the right tackle now left
• 48:37
  tackle for the Buccaneers, who's probably the best right tackle in football and has
• 48:40
  been for several years. He moved to left tackle this offseason, and he
• 48:44
  talked about how stressful it was and the switch and like how it weighed on
• 48:47
  his mind. And a lot of it stems from just physically how you're playing,
• 48:52
  Like your alignment change, your footwork changes, your plant foot and your
• 48:57
  post foot now change like and again this may sound like too simple or maybe
• 49:01
  even dumb to some people, but even just the idea of like, if
• 49:05
  you're the right tackle and you're coming out of your set, your outside hand
• 49:08
  that punches, you're right. Now, all of a sudden, you're outside
• 49:10
  hand. If you're a left tackle, your punch is your left So maybe
• 49:14
  you're used to throwing that right hand a lot, but now if you're throwing
• 49:17
  it from a left tackle perspective, your leverage is completely different. Where you're
• 49:21
  hitting an edge player. When you throw your right hand, if it's your
• 49:23
  outside or your inside hand or arm based on if your right tack or left
• 49:28
  tackle, it just changes leverage. It changes positioning for the defender, end
• 49:31
  for yourself, and that translates to your your other hand, your left hand,
• 49:35
  your left arm, your footwork, let alone assignments and all these pieces.
• 49:38
  So it's not necessarily an easy thing. But Ryan Vandermark the left tackle,
• 49:43
  I was a fan of this offseason, Ryan Vandermark the right tackle.
• 49:46
  It was. It was brutal, like if we were just grading them in
• 49:49
  a silo like I would not have kept Ryan Vandermark the right tackle. I'm
• 49:53
  glad he made the roster. He was somebody who I thought it had a
• 49:58
  good shot to make the team, especially with his age and his size and
• 50:00
  athleticism and stature and given what you know, Shell retiring and Questenbury being a
• 50:06
  little longer in the tooth. Oh. This is a great piece from Ralph
• 50:08
  saying it's like writing left handed when you're right dominant. Oh, Dennis saying
• 50:12
  it's like asking a NASCAR driver to turn right. I like that. I
• 50:15
  like that one a lot. Yeah, So Vandermark, I like as the
• 50:21
  left tackle back up. Obviously still gonna have some questions about him, but
• 50:24
  him is a right tackle I was not confident in. Then we have Alec
• 50:27
  Anderson, who I've been a fan of in the preseason as a center and
• 50:30
  a guard. The physicality, the violence, what he could do on the
• 50:32
  interior. I really liked it against getting second team reps, third team reps.
• 50:37
  Like I thought he shined from a depth perspective. They tried him out
• 50:42
  as right tackle in this game against the Bears, several good reps against the
• 50:45
  run, and then wow, you know he had that one really bad pass
• 50:50
  rap where he got beat right around the arc and it led to the sack.
• 50:52
  I think the strip on Kyle Allen. I believe it was a turn
• 50:54
  o right. Just remember Anderson got beat really bad. Again. He's nice
• 51:00
  to see him getting work and multiple positions. You want to have someone with
• 51:02
  that functional depth. I don't know how sustainable he is long term, is
• 51:07
  a right tackle. So bringing in Jermain Effetti from the Detroit Lions. Again,
• 51:13
  this is somebody who he was kind of a journey career. Was a
• 51:15
  former first round pick of the Seattle Seahawks. He spent time with Seattle,
• 51:19
  spent time with Chicago Atlanta for a year, and it was with Detroit.
• 51:24
  I watched this preseason tape this year from twenty twenty three and just good reps.
• 51:30
  You know, I don't think this is somebody again at this point in
• 51:32
  the year where you are, you're you're not going to find someone right at
• 51:37
  this point of the year who is in All Pro. Like Tristan Worfs is
• 51:40
  not getting cut. The same thing with the linebacker conversation, which we are
• 51:43
  going to speak about here, like Fred Warner isn't going to become available,
• 51:45
  Shaquire Leonard isn't going to become available. Like you're looking for guys who have
• 51:50
  skill set pieces or traits or some aspect to their game that you can work
• 51:54
  with that can maybe raise your floor a little bit at a position, and
• 51:58
  I think Jermainefetti does that for the tackle spot. I think he adds a
• 52:01
  solid floor. He's twenty nine years old per PFF, so I think a
• 52:06
  lot of who he is is who he is at this point. I don't
• 52:07
  think he's this guy who changes the tackle grouping and raises the ceiling tremendously.
• 52:13
  But he's got size, he's athletic. For his side, I thought he
• 52:16
  had a good punch. I thought he had good hand placement movement. I
• 52:20
  thought he moved his hands well in conjunction with his feet. The ability to
• 52:22
  just stay in front of defenders, which sounds simple, but just his ability
• 52:29
  to keep his body in between an edge rusher and a quarterback. He was
• 52:31
  physical against the run, got a lot of experience. I think he's somebody
• 52:36
  who adds to again the floor of the position. I don't know how long
• 52:40
  of a deal it is. I'm assuming it's something short, like a one
• 52:44
  year type of deal, not a lot of term. I just think it's
• 52:45
  a low risk type move. Again, if I am wrong on the deal
• 52:49
  fee for the show and then I saw the news literally right before I went
• 52:52
  live on the show. But that piece, I think he had stability to
• 52:57
  the tackle group. He also has the ability to play some tackle. He
• 53:00
  played some left tackle this preseason, so there is that piece too right where
• 53:02
  he gives you legitimate right tackle depth but also gives you some functionality at left.
• 53:07
  I think it's a no downside move and it gives you some insurance in
• 53:12
  case Spencer Brown is too mercurial or you know, Spencer Brown has He's gotten
• 53:17
  nicked up and banged up a bit here and there. Now I think you
• 53:20
  feel more confident at that right tackle position. I one thousand percent do.
• 53:23
  This isn't me saying Affettie should be the starter again, I want to I'm
• 53:28
  gonna dive back in to the tape and really kind of further solid SOLIDIMI solidify
• 53:32
  my evaluation on him. But I think it is a great pick up.
• 53:37
  Raise the floor of the tackle group, add some more stability, add to
• 53:40
  your functional and competent depth at the tackle grouping as a whole, but especially
• 53:44
  at right tackle, where I think Spencer Brown for me is already a tackle.
• 53:47
  Or if Spencer Brown is already a question mark at right tackle in pass
• 53:52
  protection and after him, it's even more so. Like I was worried about
• 53:54
  Spencer Brown at right tackle, if he were to go down, who the
• 54:00
  questions get even more severe. I think Effetti stabilizes a lot of that piece
• 54:04
  there. So I like the move. I am very happy, Oh Troy
• 54:07
  coming in and saying it is aj Fvanessa better than Boogie for me. Yes,
• 54:12
  So Boogie Basham was traded to the Giants today. I know a lot
• 54:15
  of people were unhappy with the return, and a lot of it is taig,
• 54:17
  you know, a second round pick. I don't want to get too
• 54:21
  much into the minutia, although we can if people really want to get into
• 54:22
  it. But the conversation of you know, another horrible Day two pick,
• 54:27
  a wasted second round pick, and I'm with a lot of that to a
• 54:30
  degree, I didn't like the boogie Basham pick when he was drafted. I
• 54:37
  put out my reaction to it. We were live on the show or not,
• 54:42
  we were live on the cover one network when he was drafted. I
• 54:44
  didn't like the double dip and I really didn't like it because I just wasn't
• 54:46
  a fan of Basham as a prospect, given his size and frame and passed.
• 54:52
  I had questions about his pass rush moves and playing, his ability to
• 54:54
  transition and kind of what I always thought his ceiling at best was shack law
• 55:00
  which isn't bad. Chris jack Lawson is serviceable, but I just didn't think
• 55:02
  the bills needed that and I didn't really want that. And if we're answering
• 55:06
  this question of is a Japanessa better than Bookie? For me? One hundred
• 55:08
  percent, I think Epanessa right another guy who was a second round pick.
• 55:15
  I know for a lot of people, myself included, he hasn't reached the
• 55:19
  level that you would have liked him to have reached by now in his career.
• 55:22
  Right he's a second round pick, you would have hoped that he was
• 55:24
  edge two or a solid edge three for your team. I think he's a
• 55:29
  low end edge three, but a higher end edge four. I think he
• 55:32
  works fantastically in this defense if he's the low man on the totem pole with
• 55:37
  von Miller and Groot and Leonard Floyd, and then it's a Japanessa. Like
• 55:40
  I'm happy with a Japanessa. As the year went on last year, I
• 55:45
  thought he really started to show improvement with his hand technique. His technicality,
• 55:49
  I think is where he started to hang his hat on his ability to You
• 55:52
  know, you'd see him throw a ghost rusher. You'd see him show some
• 55:55
  ben in some dip you were sawing him. You saw him use that forklift
• 55:59
  movere. He was lifting outside arms and using it to pull himself through around
• 56:02
  the arc. I thought he progressed as a pass rusher from a plan and
• 56:07
  a technical standpoint. His run defense in his tackling was a little questionable in
• 56:10
  the beginning of the year. I thought he improved that as the year went
• 56:14
  on again, not to the level of Greg Rousseau, but I thought he
• 56:15
  got better there as well. One hundred times out of a hundred times,
• 56:21
  I would keep a Jpanessa over Boogie Basham. I don't know what Epinessa's future
• 56:24
  looks like, but Epanessa, I think just showed more progress, showed more
• 56:29
  improvement. Granted, maybe you want to look at the other side of it
• 56:30
  and say, well, he had an extra years, so you know,
• 56:34
  maybe you thought Boogie would hit that same level of development and progression if he
• 56:37
  had another year someone and so forth. Right now, for this team,
• 56:42
  a Japanessa is the better player, makes more sense for this team right now
• 56:45
  in twenty twenty three, So I have no qualms with a Japanessa being kept.
• 56:50
  I know the Bills, according to reports, received some trade calls or
• 56:52
  a Japaness as well, but based on the return they got for Boogie,
• 56:58
  you know, I don't think the return for epiness so it was going to
• 57:00
  be great, and I think the Basham move was more of this guy isn't
• 57:04
  going to make our team. Let's see if we can just get something for
• 57:07
  him. So the fact that they got anything for him, given that they
• 57:08
  were probably going to cut him anyway, and given that he hasn't really shown
• 57:12
  out too much thus far in his career. I'll take any type of return
• 57:15
  that you get for Basham. I'm also a huge Kingsley Jonathan fans so and
• 57:20
  I said it last year after the Bears game at Christmas time, I thought
• 57:23
  Jonathan should be a regular staple of the Bill's roster ahead of Bogeye Basham.
• 57:28
  And this preseason kind of further that notion for me. So very fair.
• 57:32
  Oh spin coming in saying, oh Kirksey visited Affettie Rumor to sign. Interesting.
• 57:39
  Interesting, Oh Rodney with a question here, if Malano goes down,
• 57:43
  what the heck are we doing a linebacker praying it's not gonna be good.
• 57:49
  That's part of the reason why I would love a veteran to come in.
• 57:51
  I would love Christian Kirksey to come in. Again, I shouldn't say love.
• 57:55
  I think you just need more functional quality depth. I think Torrell Dodson
• 58:00
  at this point is not starting caliber, even in spot duty or backup duty.
• 58:05
  Client got released today, like I would have started cling over Dodson personally,
• 58:09
  I think Terel Bernard it should be the starter opposite of Matt Milano.
• 58:14
  But it's just tons of questions, like if Milano goes down, you're looking
• 58:17
  at Dodson and Bernard, Specter and Dodson Spectrum Bernard, like, I don't
• 58:22
  know what the combinations are. That's why I think it's good. I would
• 58:24
  love to bring in somebody like a Kirksey. I know Dean Jones got released.
• 58:30
  I reached out to one of my Panthers contacts who wasn't really thrilled what
• 58:34
  Jones did this offseason in Panthers camp. I you know, obviously he didn't
• 58:37
  impress too much. The Panthers need some help at linebacker, and Dean Jones
• 58:40
  got released, so we'll see what happens there. I know some people like
• 58:44
  Jabrill Cox, linebacker from LSU, who's been with the Cowboys the past several
• 58:47
  years. He got cut. He doesn't have a lot of starting experience.
• 58:51
  I think Kirksey is, honestly like the best answer. I would like to
• 58:53
  bring Kirksey in and have it either be him or Bernard that starts at middle
• 58:57
  linebacker opposite of Mett at Milano. But then it obviously it helps stabilize the
• 59:01
  group a little bit. If something should happen to Matt Milano, you know,
• 59:05
  no jinks. But Roddy, to answer your question, if Milano goes
• 59:07
  down, what back are we doing at linebacker? You're praying it's gonna be
• 59:10
  rough, like it's it's just gonna be real rough like if Milano goes down
• 59:15
  that second level is h is going to be rough? So Fia says,
• 59:19
  I thought Dorrian was backing up Milano. Yeah, that's probably where you'll lead.
• 59:22
  I just don't know where Dorny Williams sits right now in terms of the
• 59:24
  hierarchy and the depth chart at linebacker. Plus he got hurt a little bit,
• 59:28
  so we'll see what happens with him. I like Dorrian Williams as as
• 59:31
  a you know that will linebacker, that guy who can shoot gaps and you
• 59:35
  can just take full advantage of his athleticism. But you know, granted,
• 59:37
  there's gonna be less of a mental workload on him if he's at the Milana
• 59:42
  roll instead of the Mic roll. But my biggest thing with Dorian is I
• 59:46
  personally, I really would just like him to sit and simmer this rookie season.
• 59:50
  I think he does have to learn a lot of pieces from a coverage
• 59:52
  standpoint and adjust his game to the NFL given the simplistic defense he came from
• 59:58
  at two lane. But his at letticism is there, the physicality and the
• 1:00:00
  length is there, and the burst is there. So I think he's backing
• 1:00:05
  up Milano. I really don't know what the hierarchy looks like and stands as
• 1:00:07
  him now. We'll know more going forward, but injuries are kind of muddy
• 1:00:10
  in the waters a little bit even right now. Like if if Dodson were
• 1:00:15
  to start opposite Milano, my thought would be Bernard would be the backup for
• 1:00:20
  both Milano and Dodson. So there's some muddiness and some wonkiness to go through
• 1:00:24
  those pieces. Oh Spin says well, Alec Anderson beat out Bates for the
• 1:00:31
  center role when Morris leaves for me, No, I think Ryan Bates would
• 1:00:35
  win that job. If Mitch Morris were to move on, I think that
• 1:00:38
  center job would be batesis to lose. I think he's shown well at that
• 1:00:43
  spot. J G says, do you think Anderson making the fifty three indicates
• 1:00:46
  a multi week injury form of government? I hope not. I could see
• 1:00:51
  where you're connecting those dots on that. I don't want to speculate, but
• 1:00:53
  I do think there's also something to be said just for Anderson. He's got
• 1:00:58
  versatility, like he's comfortable at center and at guard, and there's legitimate value
• 1:01:02
  there, right Like we know Bates can do the same thing. It's nice
• 1:01:06
  to have another guy. Not to mention Anderson again, I didn't love the
• 1:01:08
  reps, but the fact that he got some work at right tackle and that
• 1:01:12
  Bears game, I think shows that they were trying to see how comfortable he
• 1:01:15
  can be at multiple spots on the offensive line. So I don't think it
• 1:01:17
  necessarily indicates a multi week injury for Connor McGovern. I think a lot of
• 1:01:23
  it is just a credit to who he was and who he is as a
• 1:01:28
  player and what he did this offseason. So you could connect those dots if
• 1:01:32
  you wanted to, kind of put the breadcrumbs there together. But I think
• 1:01:35
  Anderson making the fifty three is really just a feather in his cap to how
• 1:01:38
  well that he played. Oh John coming through and saying, yeah, but
• 1:01:45
  Fettie working back from the knee injury two years ago, that is true,
• 1:01:46
  did have that injury. RC three. That's awesome thrown out. Yeah,
• 1:01:50
  we got some more people than this initial comment here saying watch in saying hit
• 1:01:52
  that thumbs up. Yes, I mentioned earlier with Nate if you folks are
• 1:01:57
  enjoying this content. I know it's corny to ask for it, and I
• 1:02:00
  feel like a sill, you know, shilling out for it. But likes
• 1:02:01
  are the lifeblood for these streams, for videos on YouTube, and for the
• 1:02:06
  channel as a whole. So if you aren't enjoying this content, please,
• 1:02:08
  please, please, and thank you. Hit that thumbs up, drop a
• 1:02:10
  like on this video. It goes a long way. I like this comment
• 1:02:15
  here from Justin saying name me a GM who bats a thousand. I think
• 1:02:17
  that's a good point. Like I did an episode back in February maybe March,
• 1:02:25
  breaking down the draft history under Brandon Bean, breaking it down by round
• 1:02:30
  and breaking it down by year. So who they've taken the first round,
• 1:02:35
  second round, third round, fourth, sixth, seventh, all that kind
• 1:02:37
  of stuff. And the hit rate for the bills and certain rounds i e.
• 1:02:42
  Rounds two and three have not been good. But to Justin's point here,
• 1:02:45
  like no GM bats a thousand, whether it's in free agency, whether
• 1:02:49
  it's the draft, and I share a lot of the frustrations, like I
• 1:02:52
  wish Cody Ford had worked out, or I wish the Bills took any one
• 1:02:57
  of those wide receivers that came after Cody Ford, DK Metcalf and Deebo and
• 1:03:01
  Terry McLaurin, like all these guys, right, all these pieces. I
• 1:03:04
  wish, you know, Devin Singletary stayed longer or Zach Moss or all these
• 1:03:08
  pieces, Like I wish that the second and third round picks were better.
• 1:03:12
  But I think there is something to be said for the success you've see in
• 1:03:15
  other places. And I know a lot of the conversation now is centered around
• 1:03:20
  the Kayer Elam piece, especially you know the Bill's trade boogie Basham. So
• 1:03:22
  it's another like oh, second round pick terrible, YadA YadA, and the
• 1:03:25
  conversation about Elam not being CB two. But I think you need to look
• 1:03:30
  at the other side as well, Like Christian Benford, if he becomes what
• 1:03:34
  it looks like he's trending to become, which is kind of a legitimate corner
• 1:03:37
  two, that's a win. Right, So you took a corner in the
• 1:03:42
  sixth round who turned into a starter. Granted, you took a corner in
• 1:03:45
  the first round, who is a depth guy at this point. But it's
• 1:03:49
  kind of the unity yang of it and the kind of you have to look
• 1:03:52
  at both like one is a win, one is a loss. It depends
• 1:03:54
  on which you want to put more stock into. I think there's something to
• 1:03:58
  be said for hitting on these late round guys and being able to develop them
• 1:04:00
  and put them into starting and or next man up type of roles where they
• 1:04:05
  succeed in this team. But it is fair on the other side to juxtapose
• 1:04:11
  that with the missus that they've had, especially from a high end talent perspective,
• 1:04:14
  Like I think the Bills have done a very good job under Brandon Bean
• 1:04:16
  with developing their depth, like having the ability to, oh, you know,
• 1:04:21
  our number two are our starter, went down cool, We're confident in
• 1:04:25
  our two, in our three guys, like we saw that last year,
• 1:04:27
  Like the Bills had a multitude of injuries and they were able to just roll
• 1:04:30
  in, you know, your Brandon Bryant saying you're Elion KU's and your Christian
• 1:04:34
  Benfords and your JaMarcus Ingram's and being able to kind of put these guys in
• 1:04:38
  and having some drop off, which is expected, but not having everything just
• 1:04:42
  kind of set ablaze and get jettisoned into the sun. I think the Bills
• 1:04:45
  have done a good job developing their functional depth from a holistic roster perspective under
• 1:04:50
  Brandon Bean. I think the bigger concern has been missing out on the higher
• 1:04:56
  end talent opportunities, which in theory you usually are able to grasp or get
• 1:05:01
  in rounds two, in rounds three. You know, when I did that
• 1:05:04
  episode, I juxtaposed it with what the Bengals have seen, and you look
• 1:05:08
  at their hits on day two. They're so their second and third round picks,
• 1:05:12
  and it's t Higgins and Logan Wilson and Jermaine Pratt and Sam Hubbard and
• 1:05:15
  Jesse Bates and these guys who became like B plus to kind of a minus
• 1:05:21
  starters that they either got second contracts and are core members of the Bengals or
• 1:05:27
  got to a level where they priced themselves out of Cincinnati and signed a bigger
• 1:05:30
  contract somewhere else, like in the case of Jesse Bates. So I think
• 1:05:33
  that is a fair concern. But again to Justin's point, nobody bats a
• 1:05:38
  thousand prospect evaluation and player development. Neither of those aren't exact science, which
• 1:05:44
  is what makes it so tricky and so hard when it comes to drafting and
• 1:05:46
  even signing free agents to a degree, but at somewhint of a crapshoot.
• 1:05:50
  At least with the signing existing NFL free agents, you have a you have
• 1:05:55
  more of a baseline of what kind of pro they are both on and off
• 1:05:58
  the field. But yeah, no GM bats a thousand. So I understand
• 1:06:01
  the criticism that is kind of being launched at Brandon Bean, you know,
• 1:06:05
  after what's happened recently with Kyer Elam and you know trading Boogie Basham today.
• 1:06:11
  But again no GM bats a thousand. I think, on the whole being
• 1:06:14
  has done a very good job building this roster. Luca, oh, I
• 1:06:18
  didn't even I didn't even know this. Come to Luca says, Aunt,
• 1:06:23
  this Elam stuff is driving me nuts. The kid is glue and man,
• 1:06:26
  think we could have used him against him in the case he debacle. McDermott
• 1:06:30
  has to use him against speed receivers. I think the issue with Elam is
• 1:06:32
  the physical presence is there. His technique just suffers at the catch point or
• 1:06:38
  at certain points in the route. Stem he gets grabby. I still think
• 1:06:40
  he's very grabby. I think at times he doesn't trust himself or trust his
• 1:06:44
  eyes, or trust his technique. And he spoke to that myself and Eric
• 1:06:46
  Turner the you know, I do another show for this network with the Film
• 1:06:50
  Room Live every Wednesday at seven pm Eastern. We had Kyer Elam on with
• 1:06:54
  us about a month or so ago, and he talked about his journey last
• 1:06:58
  year as a player and trusting himself more and he started to see an uptick
• 1:07:00
  in his performance. And I just think he's a little two roller coaster into
• 1:07:04
  two mercurial. And I do see your point here, Like I don't think
• 1:07:09
  he's glue in man, but the traits are there, the size, the
• 1:07:12
  speed, the athleticism, Like he's got all of those buttons that you would
• 1:07:15
  love to press. But he's just a bit inconsistent and unreliable from a coverage
• 1:07:20
  standpoint, especially in zone, especially like reading and match coverage pieces and being
• 1:07:25
  in the right place at the right time. And that's so much of this
• 1:07:28
  defense, especially for Sean McDermott, but to the other players. You have
• 1:07:30
  to be at the right place at the right time, and more importantly,
• 1:07:33
  you have to be where your teammates think you are going to be, and
• 1:07:39
  that's what Dane Jackson does and Christian Menford has done that to a degree as
• 1:07:42
  well, and also looked better in you know, man coverage in terms of
• 1:07:45
  you know, not drawn flags, but trying to use some of that physicality.
• 1:07:47
  So yeah, I really want Elam to work out, And I also
• 1:07:51
  want to put this out there too, like, this doesn't mean to write
• 1:07:55
  off kier Elam. Like, just because he's not the full fledged starter right
• 1:07:59
  now in his second year does not mean that he can't be the starter next
• 1:08:01
  year or the year after. It does not mean that his fifth year option
• 1:08:04
  won't be picked up or that he won't see a second contract he could develop
• 1:08:09
  further. Right, the tools are there, the mental pieces there, the
• 1:08:11
  work ethic and the work rate is there, and the Bills do have a
• 1:08:15
  successful track record of developing defensive back. So just because he's not there right
• 1:08:18
  now does not mean he necessarily won't get there in his career. But yeah,
• 1:08:23
  he's a huge point of contention for a lot of people spin saying I
• 1:08:26
  think Dorny Williams is the Milano replacement. Yeah, I think so too.
• 1:08:29
  I ought to go back to that linebacker conversation. For me, it just
• 1:08:30
  depends on who the starter is, Like, if Dodson starts, I would
• 1:08:33
  assume again Bernard might be the first man up for either linebacker spot. You
• 1:08:40
  know, he stepped in for Milano last year when Milana went down, so
• 1:08:43
  it was Bernard and Edmonds against the Jets. And then obviously this year with
• 1:08:45
  it being like it was Dodson and Bernard kind of neck and neck for that
• 1:08:48
  middle linebacker spot. Obviously he can play both, so my thought would be
• 1:08:51
  Bernard might be next man up for both, or maybe if Dotson wins the
• 1:08:56
  job, it's Bernard for the middle and Dorny Williams for the Milano spot.
• 1:09:00
  They really just depends on who who starts and how we go through there.
• 1:09:06
  Oh, John says, look at the roster and praise being fair. Spin
• 1:09:14
  says, I think Benford could have played at the bigger schools, and because
• 1:09:15
  he didn't, you fell into the sixth round. If he played at a
• 1:09:17
  bigger school, he would have been drafted a lot higher than where he was.
• 1:09:20
  Oh, that's fair. You know, where where you get drafted comes
• 1:09:24
  into play for some people. But again that's where the tape comes in like
• 1:09:28
  being able to have your scouts who can id somebody from Villa Nova, so
• 1:09:31
  you know, a school who again isn't known for football, you know,
• 1:09:36
  having scouts being able to identify a guy and having scout the player, not
• 1:09:40
  you know, scouting the jersey or scouting the school. J G says.
• 1:09:45
  The Bengals have also been drafting higher than Buffalo other than the past two seasons.
• 1:09:48
  Yeah, that's fair, but I still don't think that, like it
• 1:09:51
  doesn't take away from them not hitting at those spots, you know, like
• 1:09:58
  that. I mean, even the Cody Ford pick was decently high pick in
• 1:10:01
  the second round. And again I know it's no get draft pick is guaranteed
• 1:10:05
  ever, right, but I think just because you are picking higher, that
• 1:10:11
  doesn't necessarily mean like you're going to hit with higher odds. Maybe there is,
• 1:10:15
  I wonder what the formula looks like for that piece, but I'm not
• 1:10:18
  using that again, especially because they've hitten on Dies early in round two,
• 1:10:24
  late in round three, middle, around three, middle and round two like
• 1:10:27
  the Bengals have like all these different kind of smatterings of hits and also too,
• 1:10:30
  like at different positions like linebacker, wide receiver, safety, defensive end.
• 1:10:35
  So I don't think you can kind of boil it down just to being
• 1:10:40
  like, oh, well they've been drafting in higher spots, because again there's
• 1:10:44
  no guarantee. I mean that's point. Look at the Bills taking Sammy Watkins
• 1:10:47
  and being like, oh, well they drafted like they hired, they traded
• 1:10:50
  up, like so they should have a higher hit rate. And then you
• 1:10:51
  look at who was taken after Sammy Watkins and not great, not great,
• 1:10:56
  not great, not great. But I understand your point there. That's fair.
• 1:11:00
  Oh, Rodney saying Bernard is the glue to all this, Jessica saying
• 1:11:08
  Villanova's a national champion. Yes they are, Yes they are, Yes they
• 1:11:11
  are, Yes they are. Oh I've got to comment here from Lars saying
• 1:11:14
  picking high in the first means when you hit, you get an all pro
• 1:11:15
  instead of a competent starter. I think that's part of it as well.
• 1:11:17
  Like hitting in round two and round three means like you're probably getting like a
• 1:11:24
  plus starter or a potential core guy for your team, versus like hitting in
• 1:11:28
  round six and seven that just means you get hitting. There is oh you
• 1:11:30
  got a depth guy, or you got like a second stringer. Or a
• 1:11:33
  third stringer, Like, that's a win. If you hit higher and increases
• 1:11:36
  your odds of having higher rent talent, that's a bigger piece for that as
• 1:11:41
  well. Also, when I know more comments are coming in into the chat,
• 1:11:47
  so I want to go to some of the roster notes and pieces that
• 1:11:50
  I have. Again that offensive line piece. I like the Effetti signing mainly
• 1:11:55
  just because I had questions with like stemming two or stemming from that right tackle
• 1:12:00
  discussion, but really the depth at tackle overall, I think Affetti kind of
• 1:12:02
  solidifies your depth there a little bit, especially at right tackle, but having
• 1:12:06
  the ability to function at left tackle as well, you know, I think
• 1:12:13
  that adds something to this team. And overall I like what they did from
• 1:12:16
  a roster impression perspective right now, Like I like going into this year again,
• 1:12:23
  I never thought the Bills were going to come into this season and have
• 1:12:27
  this star studied top ten offensive line, but having a starting group of Dion
• 1:12:30
  Dawkins and Connor McGovern, Mitch Morrise out, Cyrus Torrence. I think who's
• 1:12:34
  gonna start a right guard and Spencer Brown and then having your backups of Ryan
• 1:12:38
  Bates, David Edwards, Alec Anderson, Ryan Vandermark and JERMAINEA. Fetti.
• 1:12:43
  I think that's a competent group. Like I think that's a high enough floor
• 1:12:45
  group that you're sitting there, you're confident you're capable. Again, I don't
• 1:12:49
  think it's gonna blow the doors off of, you know, any buildings.
• 1:12:54
  I don't think this Bill's offensive line is suddenly starts studded and filled with all
• 1:12:57
  pros in top ten. But I think you've stabilized that group, and now
• 1:13:00
  you're looking at the middle of the pack group, an offensive line that,
• 1:13:03
  especially if Spencer Brown stabilizes, you're looking at an offensive line that's like fifteen
• 1:13:08
  to twelve somewhere in the middle of the pack, which again you could you
• 1:13:12
  know, I understand if you want better and you want to shoot for high
• 1:13:15
  or understood, But just give me an average, middle of the road,
• 1:13:17
  consistent offensive line and I think everything will be fine for this team. The
• 1:13:21
  problem has been the offensive line that dips and the ebbs and flow in performance.
• 1:13:27
  I also want to highlight the defensive line grouping. Again, I mentioned
• 1:13:30
  Kingsley Jonathan earlier, somebody who I was just very impressed with his performance last
• 1:13:34
  offseason or not last offseason. Last preseason and then seeing him continue that into
• 1:13:40
  the preseason this year. Super super happy for him just on his journey and
• 1:13:45
  being able to lock down a roster spot. I love that. So now
• 1:13:46
  you're looking at your edge grouping and we'll continue this conversation into the defensive tackles
• 1:13:51
  as well. But you're looking at your edge grouping of Greg Russo, Leonard
• 1:13:54
  Floyd, a Javanessa, Shack Lawson, and Kingsley Jonathan into the defensive tackles
• 1:14:00
  at Oliver de Klon Jones, Tim Settle, Jordan Phillips, and Poona Ford.
• 1:14:02
  What I like with and this is also what I thought the roster would
• 1:14:08
  be from a defensive line perspective. I didn't know if Jonathan would make it,
• 1:14:12
  mainly because you're sitting there and you know him making it now means you
• 1:14:16
  know you're keeping five edges. So they have five edges and they've got five
• 1:14:19
  defensive tackles, So you're looking at ten and even for a team that rotates
• 1:14:23
  heavily like the Bills on the defensive line, granted everybody rotates. Now,
• 1:14:27
  I thought ten would be a lot, but Jonathan makes it. I think
• 1:14:30
  again, with the grouping you've got on the interior defensive line and on the
• 1:14:33
  edges. You now have a defensive line grouping from edge to edge and in
• 1:14:38
  the interior. I like the versatility. I like the different buttons and skill
• 1:14:43
  sets you can lean into and you can press. You've got physicality, You've
• 1:14:46
  got run stopping ability in an edge setting presence, you've got penetration. You've
• 1:14:51
  got guys who can play a one gapping style and then other guys who will
• 1:14:55
  play a gap and a half or two gapping style. You've got poona Ford
• 1:14:58
  who can line up as a one tech and as a three tech, and
• 1:15:00
  even as a four eye or a five sometimes, even though it's not completely
• 1:15:03
  recommended. Tim Settle can line up as a three and line up as a
• 1:15:06
  one. And then you've got guys who are more siloed but higher skill level
• 1:15:11
  at those silos, and then guys who are more jack of all trades.
• 1:15:14
  This defensive line. Yeah, like Rodney says here, pack even some of
• 1:15:18
  our ends play inside at times. Yeah, you've got edge groupings where you
• 1:15:24
  can kick Greg Rousseau inside. You can put Leonard Floyd inside if you want
• 1:15:27
  to get him matched up on a guard and take advantage of the athleticism and
• 1:15:30
  the speed inside on a known passing down, like you've got all these buttons
• 1:15:33
  and levers that you can press. And that's early on and not even including
• 1:15:40
  what von Miller can be going forward. I want to bring this comment from
• 1:15:44
  Luca because it ties into one I'm about to say next. So Luca says,
• 1:15:45
  we're always talking about this d line, but I see very few sacks.
• 1:15:51
  The Bills have spent so much effort and so many resources, both in
• 1:15:57
  the draft and free agency the past several years, every year trying to address
• 1:16:00
  the defensive line. You know, you've got draft, you got bashed him,
• 1:16:03
  You've got Aponesso, You've got Rousseau, you have you know, Mario
• 1:16:05
  Addison and Daikon Jones and Quentin Jefferson and Jordan Phillips and Shack Lawson and all
• 1:16:13
  these pieces you know you're re up with at Oliver. Like they've spent a
• 1:16:15
  lot of time and effort on the defensive line grouping. I haven't felt this
• 1:16:19
  confident, as confident as I feel in the bills defensive line grouping going into
• 1:16:24
  this year, I haven't felt that across the board in previous years, especially
• 1:16:28
  if we start from the edge grouping. I think Greg Russo is primed for
• 1:16:30
  a breakout year. He's already one of the best run defending edges in the
• 1:16:35
  NFL when it comes to set in the edge, when it comes to penetration,
• 1:16:39
  owning his gap, being able to play gap and a half and two
• 1:16:41
  gap at times because of his length and his physicality and his football intelligence.
• 1:16:45
  So I think you've got that piece in Greg Russo. But I think he's
• 1:16:50
  going to see an uptick in his past rushing game. If Greg Russo stays
• 1:16:55
  healthy this year, I think he hits double digit sex, which is phenomenal.
• 1:16:58
  Opposite of him. Again, this isn't even including Von Miller. Opposite
• 1:17:01
  of him. You've now got Leonard Floyd. You have a legitimate, proven
• 1:17:04
  pass rusher off the edge, and somebody who plays the run better than he
• 1:17:09
  gets credit for. In Leonard Floyd. You've now got another proven piece on
• 1:17:13
  that edge grouping. So when Von Miller comes back, you've got von You've
• 1:17:16
  got group, and you've got Leonard Floyd. That's a solid three man edge
• 1:17:20
  grouping. And then I think A. J. Banessa is a really fun
• 1:17:24
  four, and I think Kingsley Jonathan is a really fun five. We'll see
• 1:17:27
  what happens with Shack Lawson. We'll see who the odd man out is when
• 1:17:30
  Von Miller comes back. My thoughts are it would be Shack. As much
• 1:17:33
  as I loves edge setting, presence and run defense, I just think he
• 1:17:38
  would be on man out because he doesn't offer enough pop in the other areas.
• 1:17:41
  But you know, we'll see how a Jpanessa plays this year. Maybe
• 1:17:45
  they really want to just lean into that run stopping skill set. We'll see
• 1:17:46
  what happens. But you've got options now from top to bottom at your edge
• 1:17:50
  grouping. So I'm more confident in the edge grouping you've got. Last year,
• 1:17:56
  even with Von, it was Von who you knew was a proven past
• 1:18:00
  rusher off the edge right, and then you went to Grout who it was
• 1:18:02
  like, oh, we hope he progresses. And that was the same conversation
• 1:18:05
  for Epanessa, the same conversation for Boogie Basham, and then the conversation around
• 1:18:10
  Shack was you know he really doesn't rush the pass or he is what it
• 1:18:13
  is. Now, you've got three legitimate guys who can rush the pass or
• 1:18:15
  off the edge. Once Von comes back, you've got bond, you've got
• 1:18:18
  group, you've got Floyd. That's a win. And then you kick into
• 1:18:21
  the interior who Daikwan Jones I think is a monster. Granted most of his
• 1:18:26
  production comes against the run, but I think with the success they'll have off
• 1:18:30
  the edge, you have more one on one opportunities on the interior for at
• 1:18:32
  Oliver and even more one on one opportunities for De Kwon Jones, who eight
• 1:18:35
  one on one opportunities last year. He had such a high double team rate,
• 1:18:39
  but add such a successful year that I think people forget how much work
• 1:18:43
  got sent against him. A healthy tim settle makes a difference. Also,
• 1:18:47
  tying into his well j G says, why do you think some people people's
• 1:18:51
  fifty three left Phillips off. I've always thought he was underrated and when healthy,
• 1:18:55
  Jordan Phillips, when healthy, has been tremendous his past productivity. Last
• 1:19:00
  year, the first seven weeks of the year, he was in the top
• 1:19:03
  six or the top five amongst all defensive lineman edges and defensive tackles. The
• 1:19:08
  biggest question with Jordan Phillips is is that health piece right. The best ability
• 1:19:13
  is availability, even if you're not taking the shoulder injury into account. Against
• 1:19:16
  New England last year. That really banged him up. You know, he
• 1:19:18
  tweaks his hamstring on that interception against Tennessee in Week two, And this is
• 1:19:24
  just a pattern and a trend for him, going back to his time in
• 1:19:27
  Arizona when he signed as a free agent, when he first left Buffalo.
• 1:19:30
  Just the guy cannot stay healthy. So when healthy, I think Jordan Phillips
• 1:19:33
  is a monster, especially as a rotational player, a guy who you can
• 1:19:39
  just put in who's one hundred percent and fresh, and you can tell him
• 1:19:42
  just go penetrate, go cause havoc in the middle. That's a huge piece
• 1:19:45
  where the rotation aspect of this team really starts to lend into the skill sets
• 1:19:49
  because you've got guys who you can just put in there for a snap or
• 1:19:53
  two and they can just go one hundred miles an hour against a tired offensive
• 1:19:57
  lineman or against a tired offense and they're and you just tell him to head
• 1:20:00
  hunt the running back or the quarterbacks. So I love Jordan Phillips. The
• 1:20:04
  issue is you just don't know if he's gonna be able to stay healthy,
• 1:20:08
  and that's a very worrisome piece. But again, now you juxtapose that with
• 1:20:13
  Tim Settle hopefully he stays healthy. But I think the addition of poon Afford
• 1:20:15
  is huge. I think poon Afford is a stabilizing piece on that interior that
• 1:20:19
  can kind of offset any potential injuries or inconsistencies with Phillips and or Tim Settle
• 1:20:27
  so on the whole again. Oh, I know we've said this year after
• 1:20:31
  year when it comes to the defensive line, and they spend so much time
• 1:20:35
  year after year. But I feel very confident in this defensive line this year.
• 1:20:40
  From a run defense perspective, from an integrity standpoint, from a versatility
• 1:20:44
  perspective on the front, and from my thinking ability to generate pressure and actually
• 1:20:48
  convert those to secs. I think this is a winning group up front,
• 1:20:51
  and it's the strongest the defensive line has been in the Sean McDermott Brandon being
• 1:20:57
  era, which I think is a huge piece. Oh, it's got a
• 1:20:59
  super chan Carl. I appreciate the hell out of you. You're always here
• 1:21:01
  supporting and thank you very much for the super chat. Sincerely, thank you,
• 1:21:05
  Carl Says. Speaking of the film room with Eric, can you guys
• 1:21:08
  go through the bills Jets roster position by position and break down the strengths and
• 1:21:14
  weaknesses at each position. Oh, One, that's a large ask. But
• 1:21:17
  two, I'll make note of this. Maybe maybe, Carl, that's something
• 1:21:21
  we dive into, you know, next week, in preparation for you know,
• 1:21:26
  because I don't know what our topic is going to be next week,
• 1:21:29
  since you know, we have an episode planned for tomorrow night. But then
• 1:21:31
  next week, you know, it's kind of up for grabs going into that
• 1:21:34
  Bill's Jets game. So maybe we'll go through and take a peek at some
• 1:21:36
  Jets tape and some Bills tape. Maybe we'll show some of that or go
• 1:21:40
  through the pieces. That's a really cool idea. I'll make note of that
• 1:21:43
  and write that down. Think if the suggestion, Carl, I appreciate you.
• 1:21:46
  But yeah, so I'm confident in the defensive line. I'm interested to
• 1:21:50
  see. Sophia said, I can't wait to see this d line chase old
• 1:21:54
  man Rodgers around the backfield. That's fair. Oh, I'd like to comment
• 1:21:58
  here from justin saying a good defensive line can make a below average linebacker average,
• 1:22:01
  and it's easier than the other way around, and saying just my opinion
• 1:22:04
  at the least, no, I think that's completely correct. I don't think.
• 1:22:09
  I don't think it above the average linebacker makes a below average defensive line
• 1:22:14
  become average. But I think your other point of kent, a good defensive
• 1:22:15
  line can make a below average linebacker look average. I think that's a that's
• 1:22:19
  a fair piece. That's a fair piece. There's some other comments here,
• 1:22:27
  Lars saying there's been so much preseason stuff I forgot about the Floyd signing.
• 1:22:30
  Yeah, and he had a limited snap right or snap share in the preseason.
• 1:22:33
  Again, I don't think it's a dude who necessarily needs it, but
• 1:22:36
  he flashed a bit. I like I wanted Leonard Floyd. I tabbed him
• 1:22:41
  early in the off season. I just didn't think they'd sign him, and
• 1:22:44
  then I thought they would add an edge in the draft. They didn't.
• 1:22:47
  So coming out of that and being able to add Poonaford and being able to
• 1:22:50
  add Leonard Floyd, I just think that's tremendous. I thought they really reinforced
• 1:22:54
  the defensive line position, which is a grouping that I was concerned about with
• 1:22:58
  along with right tackle. My biggest needs of addressing positionally was interior defensive line
• 1:23:03
  in the edge grouping, like there was no interior defensive Lineman signed past this
• 1:23:08
  season, so you had a lot of questions there. Now it's just at
• 1:23:11
  Oliver, So what was that long term grouping gonna look like? Both,
• 1:23:15
  not even just long term, but in twenty twenty three, let alone beyond.
• 1:23:18
  So the POONA four piece was a nice reinforcement, let alone the Leonard
• 1:23:21
  Floyd piece. Oh, Jessica says, do the Bills have the best offensive
• 1:23:28
  line in the AFC East with the injuries to New England and lacking a good
• 1:23:30
  right tackle? According to Tom crant, I don't. Maybe from a stability
• 1:23:40
  standpoint, yeah, but again I don't if they do, I don't think
• 1:23:44
  it's because they have like a great offensive line. I think it's just because
• 1:23:46
  the others are kind of suspect when healthy. I like the potential of some
• 1:23:50
  of the pieces for the Jets. If Mackay Beckton is healthy, we'll see
• 1:23:56
  what he looks like again after having a bunch of injury played years. I
• 1:23:58
  really like Elijah vera tuck for the Jets. Dwayne Brown, nice stabilizing peace.
• 1:24:02
  We'll see what happens there. But then you know, is Joe Tipman
• 1:24:04
  going to be the guy. We'll see what they get on the interior.
• 1:24:06
  The Patzel line has been up and down. I don't like Miami's offensive line,
• 1:24:11
  despite the fact that they probably have the best offensive lineman in the whole
• 1:24:15
  division in Tehron Armstead. But the rest of their offensive line is suspects.
• 1:24:17
  So yeah, you probably could make that case, which is a wild thought.
• 1:24:20
  I've never I've never really thought of that. I like this comment from
• 1:24:24
  Mexico Marty, who says, regardless of sacks, I'd love to see a
• 1:24:27
  defensive line that creates consistent havoc and chaos against above average qbs. You always
• 1:24:31
  want to see a translate, right. You always want to see when possible
• 1:24:34
  pressures be converted into sacks. You want that ability to actually have game wrecking
• 1:24:41
  performances from a down and distance and yards perspective. But I'll continue to bang
• 1:24:45
  this drum, and I said it a lot for Jerry Hughes, and people
• 1:24:47
  labeled me an apologist, which, you know, whatever, go ahead,
• 1:24:50
  do your thing, do you. But there are other positive outcomes too,
• 1:24:55
  pressures than just sacks. If you can heat up a quarterback and force them
• 1:24:58
  into an incomplete throw or in to an interception, or even into a throwaway
• 1:25:01
  or to him dirting the ball like there are other positives that pressure can lead
• 1:25:06
  to aside from Jess sax, So yeah, give me a defensive line that
• 1:25:09
  creates consistent havoc. I want a defensive line that has versatility that you can
• 1:25:14
  align different players in different positions to have to be able to lean into multiple
• 1:25:17
  fronts. I don't want to just be a consistent four three over type of
• 1:25:21
  front. I want to be able to play with different alignments and different fronts.
• 1:25:26
  And give me, yes, a defensive line that creates havoc, that
• 1:25:28
  has the ability to gum up the works or penetrate or get pressure or slice
• 1:25:31
  or stunt all these pieces. So yeah, I again, I want the
• 1:25:35
  sacks, But give me a group that is consistently winning and creating havoc,
• 1:25:39
  and I think that's a fun piece. A couple more questions is continue to
• 1:25:42
  go through here Roddy's saying random thought. Even though a four three is extremely
• 1:25:45
  different from a four three, especially our scheme, could Floyd play strong side
• 1:25:48
  linebacker situationally? Yeah, I think he could. You know, he's a
• 1:25:50
  guy who sets an edge. He's got experience into three four like as being
• 1:25:55
  an outside linebacker or edge player that will drop into coverage, whether regularly or
• 1:26:00
  because of simulated pressure, creeper pressure type of thing. So I think he
• 1:26:03
  could do that. But I like him just being a guy that's going to
• 1:26:08
  go after the QB. Stand him up on the edge. I think you
• 1:26:10
  could drop him into coverage every now and again. I like doing things like
• 1:26:13
  that because I like zone blitzes and I like simulated pressures. That's a that's
• 1:26:15
  the type of scheme that I like to lean into. But I think there's
• 1:26:19
  something to be said for just allowing him to stay on the edge and being
• 1:26:23
  like, Yo, see ball, get ball, see that QB. Head
• 1:26:26
  hunt him, Go get that ball, Go get the QB, go make
• 1:26:29
  a play. But yeah, I think you could see him at that strong
• 1:26:30
  sidelinebacker piece Situationally Pops Mafia, who I love. Pops Mob has a really
• 1:26:34
  cool YouTube page where he re review certain things and he's got a whole bunch
• 1:26:40
  of awesome collectibles. Really good. Dude, Pop says, what position would
• 1:26:43
  you still like to see the Bills bring someone in at middle linebacker? Give
• 1:26:46
  me? Christian Kirksey studied his tape last night. Not as high on Dion
• 1:26:53
  Jones, only watched one game at him so far, but again reaching out
• 1:26:57
  to one of my Panthers contacts. The reviews not positive for Dion Jones and
• 1:27:01
  Panthers camp this offseason, but I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on him,
• 1:27:05
  even I don't feel great about it. Linebacker would be the one. Like,
• 1:27:09
  I'm still not confident in this linebacker grouping, Like I want to roll
• 1:27:13
  Bernard to start opposite of Matt Milano, but even then there's still some questions,
• 1:27:16
  and then after Bernard and after Milano there's further questions. I do like
• 1:27:19
  what Dorian Williams are shown, but I do like what's his timeline? Is
• 1:27:23
  he ready? Is he not? I do not have any faith in Terrell
• 1:27:26
  Dodson, so we'll see what happens. So linebacker would be the position I'd
• 1:27:30
  like to see the Bills bring so many in at, whether it's somebody to
• 1:27:31
  compete for a legitimate starting job at middle linebacker or just competent depth at either
• 1:27:38
  or Bulls spots. So give me that, Like I would like that Mexico
• 1:27:42
  Marty says, is aj Kline a parking lot guy or a future endeavored guy.
• 1:27:45
  I'd like him to be. I think he adds a lot to the
• 1:27:46
  linebacker room from a mental perspective and a leadership perspective. I also think he's
• 1:27:51
  got some juice in the tank. And this could just because I'm a because
• 1:27:55
  I'm a little down on Terrell Dodson, but I would start aj Clin over
• 1:27:59
  Tyrell Dotson. And I'm thinking maybe they released him and played that game because
• 1:28:01
  they think he could be a parking lot guy and they could bring him back
• 1:28:04
  on I mean again, they it happened last year. I think what he
• 1:28:08
  he got cut from the Bills or dropped or they didn't end up bringing him
• 1:28:11
  back. Initially, he went to Baltimore for a little bit, they cut
• 1:28:13
  him or released him, maybe even had another team that he bumped around with
• 1:28:15
  last year, and then the Bills brought him in the week of the Lions
• 1:28:19
  game, I think the Thanksgiving game, and he played a bunch of reps.
• 1:28:23
  So I would like to have I would love to have a j client
• 1:28:25
  Is on the practice squad or on this team in general. I think his
• 1:28:28
  leadership ability and his knowledge is really helpful to that linebacker room, especially now
• 1:28:31
  that they're a grouping that doesn't really have a voice. Because Edmunds was kind
• 1:28:35
  of that guy. Maybe someone else fills that void and that power vacuum,
• 1:28:41
  but I like what client adds to the room. And again it may just
• 1:28:44
  be me. I don't love the idea of him starting and seeing significant reps,
• 1:28:46
  but I'd play him ahead of Tyrell Dotson. I'd see justin echoes that
• 1:28:50
  as well. It'd be aj. I'd be on a j on the practice
• 1:28:54
  squads. So when Dotson volves in his face, we have a vet to
• 1:28:56
  call up. Zach saying, yeah, I'm definitely confident about our d line.
• 1:29:01
  A huge year for grout and people are sleeping on Floyd two one of
• 1:29:04
  only four players with nine plus sacks the last four years. Yes, that
• 1:29:09
  was the stat I was trying to go through and finding my notes and I
• 1:29:11
  couldn't. I couldn't remember if it was four years or three. Yeah,
• 1:29:13
  he's had a very productive year. Bills are Electric saying what are the Bills
• 1:29:18
  doing at wide receiver six? Do they have their eyes on someone that's a
• 1:29:20
  free agent or do they bring back someone like Keishan Johnson or Andy Isabella.
• 1:29:25
  I think what's nice about this and also shout out to Bills are Electric.
• 1:29:30
  You're always super engaging with me. On Twitter, and I appreciate you.
• 1:29:34
  I think what's nice about this conversation is that they have options. Like I
• 1:29:38
  liked what Keishan Johnson did. I'd be okay with him coming back. I'd
• 1:29:41
  be okay with Andy Isabella coming back. I think the hype was a little
• 1:29:45
  too premature on Andy Isabella, but I also think people downplaying him are doing
• 1:29:48
  a bit too much. I think Andy Isabella would be a fine piece to
• 1:29:51
  add is your wide receiver six on this grouping. And it's interesting seeing how
• 1:29:56
  everything went down. You know, again, Justin Shorter made the team,
• 1:29:58
  but then he got placed on so he's out for at least four weeks.
• 1:30:01
  So again it's we start to get into this point when you're placing guys on
• 1:30:05
  IR. We're starting to get into the gamesmanship of the roster. I do
• 1:30:11
  think the idea of being able to bring back somebody like Andy Isabella, who
• 1:30:14
  isn't really coveted across the league, I would be fine with either or I
• 1:30:16
  would bring back Isabella. I would bring back Keishan Johnson. Again, I
• 1:30:19
  thought Johnson flashed. I thought Isabella flashed. I think from a skill set
• 1:30:26
  perspective, who I mean, there's some redundancy with both guys, I would
• 1:30:33
  be fine with either or I think they do bring someone back like Keishaan Johnson
• 1:30:38
  or Andy Isabella. I don't think they necessarily bring someone from the outside unless
• 1:30:42
  there's some free agent or some cap cut or somebody who got dropped today that
• 1:30:45
  I didn't notice. But I do think they end up bringing somebody back like
• 1:30:47
  Johnson or Andy Isabella. I think that's the move that happens as your wide
• 1:30:50
  receiver six now that Shorter is on that ir j G says, the depth
• 1:30:58
  of tackle makes me think they've always planned on burn starting in the middle.
• 1:31:00
  Jones and Ford can make up for a lot in the run game. What's
• 1:31:02
  interesting with Bernard is he and Dodson. You know, according to Bobby babbitts
• 1:31:05
  were neck and neck in this competition, and then I thought Bernard getting hurt
• 1:31:10
  and not being able to play in the preseason significantly hurt his chances to start.
• 1:31:13
  But then Dodson has not looked good, so it's interesting that it's interesting
• 1:31:19
  that Bernard's inactivity ironically may have helped him raise up or rise up the depth
• 1:31:28
  chart. So it's interesting conversation. We'll see what happens there, oh,
• 1:31:32
  I did. We had a conversation about what was there a question? I
• 1:31:35
  think I missed it. I think I missed it. I know the question.
• 1:31:39
  There was a question earlier about QB two. I would like to see
• 1:31:43
  a move. There's a bunch of dudes who got released that I would take
• 1:31:45
  a flyer on. When it comes to QB two, I would take I
• 1:31:49
  would take Will Greer from Dallas. I would take Colton McCoy. I would
• 1:31:54
  I thought, you know, Rourke is an interesting dude from Jacksonville who had
• 1:31:57
  that tremendous highlight this offseason. I there's a lot of dudes kick the tires
• 1:32:00
  on the larger conversation though, Like, I don't think any QB two is
• 1:32:03
  going to make us feel better about anything if Josh Allen goes down, Like,
• 1:32:06
  if Josh Allen goes down, this builds offense isn't dead in the water,
• 1:32:11
  but they're significantly hamstrung and significantly handcuffed and hurt. So if Josh Allen
• 1:32:16
  goes down, your season is kind of done along with him. But I
• 1:32:20
  do think they could upgrade from Kyle Allen, even though again a lot of
• 1:32:24
  these QB twos are not gonna be. I don't want to say diame a
• 1:32:27
  dozen, but are kind of similar from a tier perspective. I like what
• 1:32:30
  Coulte McCoy brings from a leadership perspective and knowledge perspective. I would love to
• 1:32:32
  see McCoy in a QB room with Josh Allen. That was part of the
• 1:32:35
  reason why I loved Case Kingdom last year, Like his veteran presence, his
• 1:32:39
  know how, his knowledge, his game planning ability, his ability on game
• 1:32:43
  day to kind of help dissect what's being said or what's being seen, and
• 1:32:45
  being able to work in conjunction with Joe Brady and Ken Dorsey and kind of
• 1:32:49
  putting everything together and helping Allen figure some things out. Josh Allen, I
• 1:32:54
  like that veteran. I like that veteran pieces your QB two. Either give
• 1:32:57
  me some athletic similar skill set piece to your starter, like what the Ravens
• 1:33:00
  have with Tyler Huntley and Lamar Jackson or even Marcus Mariota and Jalen Hurts.
• 1:33:05
  Again, not apples to apples, but what you can see when I'm getting
• 1:33:08
  at there. Either give me some like for like backup, or give me
• 1:33:13
  that strong, heady veteran laden experienced QB two, who still obviously hopefully still
• 1:33:18
  has a little bit of juice left in the tank. So there's a lot
• 1:33:21
  of options there at QB two. I know that was a question earlier.
• 1:33:24
  I apologized, whoever I asked that I couldn't find it. I would like,
• 1:33:29
  I would like I would like to see that piece. I'd like to
• 1:33:32
  see more of a veteran presence there. And again, there were a lot
• 1:33:34
  of dudes who got released. I know will Greer is a bit of an
• 1:33:40
  outlier in that, but I liked what he did in West Virginia, and
• 1:33:42
  the heart wants what it wants, so I'd be interested to see what Will
• 1:33:45
  Greer looked like as well. Jessica says, Aunt, if they signed Kurtsey,
• 1:33:47
  what is the roster move? In your opinion? This one's always tricky
• 1:33:51
  to predict because there's always so much gamesmanship you could do. My thought would
• 1:33:56
  be so okay, So Affettie got signed, so that should put us at
• 1:34:00
  three. Again, I apologize. I know there were some like roster moves
• 1:34:02
  and decisions that were still trickling in as I went live, So if I'm
• 1:34:05
  out of the loop on something, let me know. But I would think,
• 1:34:10
  oh, if that he puts it vidam cam Lewis at safety would be
• 1:34:14
  my thought there, maybe he gets dropped down. That's where I would go
• 1:34:18
  again, I'm pulling up my roster notes now, yeah, I would think
• 1:34:23
  the move would be cam Lewis there. I don't think you're cutting any of
• 1:34:25
  the corners, any of the offensive linemen. My thought would be cam Lewis
• 1:34:30
  there. That's a fair question. Ah Pop said it. Yeah, Climb
• 1:34:34
  was with the Giants for a short time last year, so he was with
• 1:34:36
  the Giants and the Ravens and the Bills. I believe. Oh, appreciate
• 1:34:40
  you, Tony. Tony says, I'm loving the King's jersey. I feel
• 1:34:43
  right at home being a Bills fan of Sacramento. Yes, this is a
• 1:34:45
  Jason Williams white chocolate Sacramento Kings jersey, one of the dudes who I loved
• 1:34:50
  watching Human Highlight reel. And also I love the black jersey like it's just
• 1:34:55
  sick. So yeah, appreciate you, Tony. Good recognition. Oh question,
• 1:34:58
  m Ronnie who gets more snaps on offense? Quentin Moore's or Justin Shorter
• 1:35:01
  Quentin Morris Pop says one. When we know if someone cleared waivers. Tomorrow
• 1:35:06
  at noon is when we start hearing about, when we start seeing who was
• 1:35:12
  awarded waiver claims and where players are going. I believe it's tomorrow at noon.
• 1:35:16
  It should be noon Eastern, not noon Pacific. Who Justin says Isabella
• 1:35:23
  over Keyshawn Johnson because he can return kicks and punts. That's fair. Ralph
• 1:35:28
  says, when does your coffee buzz wear off? I've got to take the
• 1:35:30
  garbage out of the curb. Tonight I took a I drink my coffee at
• 1:35:33
  like seven thirty eight o'clock. The coffee buzz should wear off. I'm thinking
• 1:35:38
  around like midnight. I don't drink a ton of coffee, so when I
• 1:35:40
  do, it hits me like a mack truck. So I should be riding
• 1:35:43
  high into the wee hours of Wednesday morning. Oh. Danny saying we're getting
• 1:35:47
  Andy as Abella back, he'll we are updated Beasley three point zero. Oh.
• 1:35:50
  I hate the Beasley comps, but you know fair, I understand it.
• 1:35:54
  Jadub says we need moves a QB and linebacker, otherwise I think we
• 1:35:57
  are good. I would take that. I would second moves. There also
• 1:36:01
  common here from j Dub saying if Josh Allen goes down, I want to
• 1:36:04
  go to five hundred and not zero. We're a solid team and we can
• 1:36:08
  win on the run and with defense or with the running defense. That's fair.
• 1:36:13
  I don't think you ever want to go down to zero. But I
• 1:36:15
  just like, if Alan goes down, I want somebody who has the ability
• 1:36:19
  to help this team tread water. But it depends on when it happens.
• 1:36:23
  Like, no matter who your backup quarterback is, Coote McCoy or Will Greer,
• 1:36:30
  or even if it was Jacoby Brissett, who was one of the best
• 1:36:31
  backup quarterbacks in the NFL. Right if Alan goes down and you're playing the
• 1:36:34
  Bengals in the playoffs or the Chiefs in the playoffs and it's Jacoby Brissett,
• 1:36:39
  you know, leading your offense against the Chiefs or against the Bengals, or
• 1:36:44
  e hell even against the Chargers, against the Ravens, even against Miami.
• 1:36:46
  Like it's just tough to go toe to toe when you got to backup quarterback
• 1:36:49
  in general. But yes, that's also where my desire for a better backup
• 1:36:55
  q beat than Kyle Allen comes in. Like I don't want to just completely
• 1:36:58
  throw in the towel because my starting quarterba out. I would like somebody who
• 1:37:00
  gives me enough of a floor that I can still be competitive and still battle.
• 1:37:05
  Jessica's kidding here, but I wouldn't you know, She says, there's
• 1:37:08
  always Philip Rivers if he's not having another child. Just kidding, I would
• 1:37:11
  call. If Philip Rivers wanted to come out of retirement and be a backup
• 1:37:14
  quarterback, I would take him. I would take him right now. Bump
• 1:37:18
  bump bum. Rodney says, yes, Please tell me that that's why chocolate
• 1:37:25
  absolutely is King's jersey Jason Williams. If I turned around, you'd see the
• 1:37:28
  Williams and the fifty five on the back. Yeah lfg from Rodney. Hell
• 1:37:32
  yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah. Spin says who does
• 1:37:36
  Von replace when he comes back? Lawson or Kingsley can't recall If you answer
• 1:37:40
  this not, I would think Shack Lawson For me. It's really going to
• 1:37:43
  come down to the skill set piece. Do you want somebody? Shack and
• 1:37:46
  Kingsley are two very different players. Shack very limited pass rush, upside and
• 1:37:50
  upside overall as a player, he kind of is what he is at this
• 1:37:54
  point in his career. But strong against the run, very physical, knowledgeable
• 1:37:58
  player and also can still work off some stunt and some games. Right.
• 1:38:01
  Do you want that edge setting run defense presence off the edge or do you
• 1:38:05
  want to go with the younger bend to your athletic more juicy no pun intended,
• 1:38:10
  because Kingsley is just more athletic and more burst. Do you want to
• 1:38:13
  go with the more juice up guy who adds more bend and more past sorshability.
• 1:38:17
  I do think Kingsley isn't a bad run defender, but you will see
• 1:38:20
  him get moved off the spot. He's nowhere near the edge setting run presence
• 1:38:25
  that Shack Lawson is, so I think it's where you want to lean into.
• 1:38:29
  For me, I'm going with Kingsley. Jonathan I just I like his
• 1:38:33
  upside. I like the bend. I like the athleticism. I like the
• 1:38:35
  opportunity to get to the quarterback, like seeing him play in certain situations against
• 1:38:40
  the Bears last year and watching him use his athleticism to give Justin Fields problems
• 1:38:45
  and Justin Fields, regardless of what you think of him as a thrower of
• 1:38:48
  the football, Justin Fields is one of the most electric athletic quarterbacks and players
• 1:38:54
  in the entire RNFL, So seeing Kingsley Jonathan kind of go toe to toe
• 1:38:57
  with him a little bit really intrigued me. For me, it's tough though,
• 1:39:01
  because I like what Shaq does. I like dudes who get to the
• 1:39:04
  dirty areas and grind, and I like edges who play the run hard and
• 1:39:09
  are good forced players and box players. But for me, it would be
• 1:39:11
  Shack Lawson, but I could I could see it going either way, especially
• 1:39:15
  depending how a j Banessa pans out and how group develops this year. But
• 1:39:19
  I think if aj Banessa can be that run setting edge along with having some
• 1:39:23
  of that passed our subside, I think it would be Shack Lawson. But
• 1:39:26
  we'll see. Oh Ryan saying what about Bailey's appy? He can spin it
• 1:39:29
  and also has intel on the pat season, Bailey's appy is an interesting one.
• 1:39:32
  He's just such a checkdown Charlie who does not push the ball down field
• 1:39:36
  at all that I don't know if the Bills can live in a quick game
• 1:39:41
  world where everything is just checkdowns and things underneath, So I don't know how
• 1:39:45
  great of a fit he would be, but I'd also consider him as well,
• 1:39:49
  but fair enough, Dan Lipkey saying thoughts on giving Boogie away for free
• 1:39:56
  and not going for Simmons, who also went for free to guess who,
• 1:39:58
  and then the sad face, I don't know how much you were going to
• 1:40:02
  get for Boogie, Like I wouldn't give up anything for Boogie Basham, so
• 1:40:05
  the fact that they got anything again, I understand it's problematic because you spend
• 1:40:11
  a second round pick on him, so in theory, you'd like to get
• 1:40:14
  more for him if you're trading him away. But I don't think he had
• 1:40:16
  a ton of value on the open markets, so them getting him for anything,
• 1:40:19
  I think it's fair not going for Simmons from Detroit, who then went
• 1:40:24
  to the Giants. I think Simmons is best served as a safety than he
• 1:40:28
  is a traditional off ball linebacker. I don't think the fit would have been
• 1:40:30
  great with the Bills. I loved him at Clemson, and I thought he
• 1:40:33
  was criminally misused in Arizona. That being said, I think he's a much
• 1:40:38
  better fit from a tactical and scheme perspective with what Wink Martindale and that Giants
• 1:40:43
  defense does with all their man coverage, with all their blitzes, all their
• 1:40:46
  designers and pressure packages, He's a much better fit there than he is with
• 1:40:50
  the Bills. You know, I listen, I would have taken a shot
• 1:40:53
  at him and kicked the tires because I'd like to see him start instead of
• 1:40:56
  Tyrell Dodson or A. J. Klein or whoever it was going to be
• 1:40:58
  at the time. But I don't think Simmons is ideally going to be used
• 1:41:01
  in this Bill's defense, like as an off ball linebacker. I don't think
• 1:41:04
  he's going to see the success in Buffalo at linebacker like he would at linebacker
• 1:41:09
  in New York because of the difference in scheme. And again, ideally I
• 1:41:12
  think he should be used at safety, but it looks like the Giants are
• 1:41:15
  gonna use him as linebacker. But again, the scheme differences I think allow
• 1:41:18
  him to be much more successful or have the potential to be much more successful
• 1:41:21
  in New York than it does here in Buffalo. That's funny from Pop saying
• 1:41:26
  I thought you were wearing black to more than the loss of Basham. That's
• 1:41:28
  fair. That's funny, Bob says, when you still look to trade aj
• 1:41:32
  or, do you think Boogie got the most interest in return for the Bills,
• 1:41:35
  I wouldn't look to trade aj I'm open to opportunities to trade a Japanessa,
• 1:41:41
  but I don't think the returns are going to be significant, Like I
• 1:41:43
  don't think you're getting a third or a fourth or even a fifth round pick
• 1:41:46
  for AJF and S. I think it would be similar to the Boogie Basham
• 1:41:48
  thing. Maybe not necessarily a pick swap, maybe just a straight up like
• 1:41:51
  here's a sixth round pick or a fifth round pick. And I don't think
• 1:41:55
  the Bills need that at this point versus having somebody that still couldized. The
• 1:42:00
  full upside isn't there. But if Epanessa has a good enough year, you
• 1:42:03
  could potentially bring him back on a cost effective deal and still have him be
• 1:42:08
  your edge three or your edge four going into next year. Again a position
• 1:42:11
  grouping where you don't have a lot of youth and long term answers at edge,
• 1:42:15
  Like we'll see what von Miller looks like coming back this year, another
• 1:42:17
  year older, and another any year coming off that ac Ele injury. Leonard
• 1:42:20
  Floyd's on a one year deal. You're looking at this edge grouping next year
• 1:42:24
  and you don't have a lot of you know, people coming back and a
• 1:42:27
  lot of youth and long term answers. So I want to keep Epiness because
• 1:42:30
  I think you can be effective in his role in twenty twenty three. But
• 1:42:33
  I'm also hoping, you know, he can develop a little further and then
• 1:42:35
  you can bring back, bring him back on a cost effective deal and help
• 1:42:39
  him continue to be a depth or a rotational piece in this defense. What
• 1:42:47
  else, oh Dan saying, even if Simmons is a safety or wherever he
• 1:42:56
  plays, it's a crazy town who makes no money and we get for free.
• 1:42:59
  Fair point. I don't know. Maybe they know. I also don't
• 1:43:00
  know. Maybe they kicked the tires on them, maybe they didn't. Maybe
• 1:43:03
  the giants offered more. Or Cardinal's phone rang and nobody picked it up in
• 1:43:08
  the bills called We'll see m question from Marty is your ideal back up a
• 1:43:15
  low turnover, low ceiling type alah Tyrod Taylor or a high variance gunslinger type
• 1:43:19
  a LA fits Oh. I think it depends the type of team that you
• 1:43:25
  have. Again, my ideal backup is I'm going to put another two categories,
• 1:43:30
  like I answered earlier, Like my ideal backup is either somebody who has
• 1:43:34
  a like for like skill set close to what your starter is. Again,
• 1:43:38
  like Tyler, Huntley and Baltimore for Lamar Jackson or the smart, heady,
• 1:43:43
  knowledgeable veteran backup who knows how to command an offense, who's good in the
• 1:43:46
  film room, who's good with breaking down tape and defense and structure, and
• 1:43:50
  it is almost like another coach type. It's one of those two pieces.
• 1:43:55
  But if I had to go with a skill set piece, it's really going
• 1:43:57
  to come down to what my team is. Do I have have a do
• 1:44:01
  I have a is my defense really good? And is my run game good?
• 1:44:05
  To the point where just give me that low turnover, low ceiling type.
• 1:44:09
  Give me a guy who can work play action and make smart decisions while
• 1:44:12
  I lean on my run game and lean into my defense. Or again,
• 1:44:15
  am I a team that my team's going to go where my offense goes,
• 1:44:18
  So I need somebody who can sling the ball around. Fits is a little
• 1:44:21
  different as well, because Fits is like a high variance gun slinger, but
• 1:44:26
  he's also a VET who's capable of running an offense. In this instance,
• 1:44:30
  I would probably lean Fits. But a lot of it's going to be determined.
• 1:44:33
  And I know this sucks as an answer, but I know a lot
• 1:44:35
  of it's going to be determined, like by what type of team I have.
• 1:44:41
  I think that really dictates the type of backup quarterback you need and or
• 1:44:46
  you want. But just general rule the thumb, give me one that mimics
• 1:44:50
  the style and skill set in my starter or gives me a veteran presence and
• 1:44:54
  is good in the room. That's really good. Though Dance's thoughts about having
• 1:44:59
  no tackle depth, old line is always an issue, and even besides the
• 1:45:01
  injury, Brown might get pulled for being horrible and Vandermark goes in and like
• 1:45:04
  laugh out loud r I p Allen, I think the Jermaine ef Fetti piece
• 1:45:08
  helps a lot when it comes to tackle depth. I'm cool with Vandermark at
• 1:45:11
  left tackle. I wasn't cool with him at right. I mentioned this earlier.
• 1:45:14
  You might have just come in now, but I think Affetti stabilizes the
• 1:45:16
  depth spot at right tackle. He can also play some left as well,
• 1:45:19
  but I think Affetti makes us makes me feel a lot better with that piece
• 1:45:26
  there, So I think Affetti coming in really helps with the tackle depth.
• 1:45:29
  Again, I don't think it's great with the tackle depth that they have,
• 1:45:31
  but I think Affetti stabilizes that bit. And again Detroit has had a good
• 1:45:35
  offensive line these past couple of years, so I think he increased his baseline
• 1:45:40
  performance after spending a year in Detroit. I thought he had a good preseason
• 1:45:43
  this year. I like him being the backup at right tackle, and it
• 1:45:46
  should Spencer Brown continue his mercurial play. I think he's somebody that could give
• 1:45:49
  you enough of a floor at the position that you could feel confident about it,
• 1:45:55
  oh Rix says, provided he'd accept it. What about Cam Newton as
• 1:45:58
  a backup that's fun from a skill set and a like for like perspective In
• 1:46:02
  terms of that similarity or what I look for in a backup, I just
• 1:46:05
  I just don't have faith in Cam Newton is a thrower of the football anymore.
• 1:46:10
  I don't think he was ever as bad of a thrower of the football
• 1:46:13
  as he was kind of knocked for. But man like seeing his time in
• 1:46:16
  New England and I just where he is now, I would imagine that his
• 1:46:20
  ability as a passer would be rough. But again, maybe you bring him
• 1:46:27
  in you just run a ton of read option and IPOs. But I don't
• 1:46:30
  love that idea. And I also don't know what kind of locker room guy
• 1:46:33
  or drama guy he might be, but just as a thrower, I think
• 1:46:39
  he's too limited. But the skill set piece is very intriguing. Oh Spin
• 1:46:45
  says, I wanted to trade Boogie into fifth and seventh for Josh Johnson and
• 1:46:49
  Beach Him and Simmons. Oh, I would have taken that. I would
• 1:46:51
  have taken Josh Johnson, Calvin Beach, Him and Isaiah Simmons. Funny though,
• 1:46:57
  funny, funny, funny, funny, funny, Beta Jim says,
• 1:47:00
  ME still believes that Boogie will become a legit defensive ent. He might.
• 1:47:03
  You know Wink Martindale again. He's got a scheme that great advantageous looks and
• 1:47:09
  can create problems for offenses. And you know, I think we might see
• 1:47:12
  an uptick in Basham's performance based on the type of defense that Wink has.
• 1:47:15
  Maybe Basham gets some free rushes and free lanes to the quarterback and is able
• 1:47:20
  to close down and he's able to up his production from a raw statistics perspective.
• 1:47:26
  But I wasn't high on Boogie coming out. I'm less eye less high
• 1:47:30
  on him now. But you know, well, we'll see maybe sometimes a
• 1:47:34
  change in scenery and a change in scheme. It can do a lot for
• 1:47:38
  a player's progression in development, so we'll see what happens for him. In
• 1:47:40
  New York Slash New Jersey, Riley says, sorry, I'm late to the
• 1:47:44
  convo, but if all the middle linebackers on the roster are healthy, who's
• 1:47:46
  the starter? In your eyes? I would want to row Bernard, And
• 1:47:53
  I think also from what I think the Bills will do from that perspective,
• 1:47:57
  I also think it would be Bernard I want to or not all off season.
• 1:48:00
  I think it's just I think not that Dodson has played himself out,
• 1:48:06
  but man, Dotson's just been so shaky in coverage. And not that Bernard
• 1:48:12
  is some coverage marvel, but he's significantly better in coverage than than Terrell Dotson
• 1:48:15
  is Granny's undersize, and you're gonna have some other pieces. And Justin Zanser
• 1:48:21
  here that says Taylor Rap laugh out out. Yeah, that kind of would
• 1:48:24
  be my favorite answer. Like I'd love to just go dime linebacker all day
• 1:48:27
  and put Taylor Rap in there. But it's gonna be it's gonna be worrisome
• 1:48:30
  from a from a run fit perspective and run defense perspective, So it'd be
• 1:48:38
  rough Dan says, how do you feel about Marlow cutting Hamlin's staying. I
• 1:48:43
  knew it would happen, but I feel like the plot armor and not the
• 1:48:45
  play level saved the day. You know what I love. I love Dean
• 1:48:47
  Marlow. We had him on the show a couple of weeks ago. Dude
• 1:48:50
  as smart as a whip, smart as hell, knows the science of the
• 1:48:54
  game. But based on the age and based on the career trajectory in play
• 1:48:58
  style, I would Hamlin. I don't think it's you know, the plot
• 1:49:02
  armor that saved Hamlin and story wise that made him get on this roster.
• 1:49:06
  I do think there are some things to like in his game. I didn't
• 1:49:11
  love seeing Marlow go. You know, he's he's smart, he's really good
• 1:49:14
  in the locker room, and he's a good care high character dude for the
• 1:49:17
  team. But I think from an on the field perspective and from an age
• 1:49:20
  perspective, it makes sense to lean Hamlin. I'm not the most high on
• 1:49:26
  Hamlin, though, I think. I know there's some people who are tabbing
• 1:49:29
  him as kind of like fut future starting safety. And you know, if
• 1:49:32
  Mike High doesn't return next year to mar Hamlin, it is automatically in that
• 1:49:35
  starting spot. I don't necessarily agree with that. I like seeing how physical
• 1:49:41
  he's been in his return, but you know, we saw his play diminish
• 1:49:44
  a bit as the season progressed last year, and I do still have significant
• 1:49:46
  questions about him, and maybe not significant, but questions about him in coverage.
• 1:49:50
  So I don't think Hamlin is necessarily the prince that was promised or the
• 1:49:53
  incumbent starter. Should Micah High leave, I'm okay with him. I think
• 1:49:57
  he can be a low end starter or a high end type of two,
• 1:50:00
  middle end kind of two. But I think you could also upgrade from Hamlin.
• 1:50:02
  But given the youth and placed down all those pieces, I'm fine with
• 1:50:08
  Hamlon going and Marlow or Hamlin's staying and Marlow going, although again Marlow going
• 1:50:13
  hurt my heart because he's a really good duty. He's so smart, so
• 1:50:16
  I'm a huge, huge fan of him as a person in his game.
• 1:50:19
  Riley says Bernard has been injured all preseason. Haven't had a chance to really
• 1:50:23
  see him. Yeah, but he had a good camp. He was in
• 1:50:24
  that competition with Bernard and then I with Dodson, and then I think Dodson's
• 1:50:28
  dip in play slash inconsistency and play his kind of ironically or coincidentally. Even
• 1:50:35
  though Bernard hasn't been playing, you know, him and Dodson may have been
• 1:50:39
  here and granted he didn't get to play, so he didn't get the opportunity
• 1:50:42
  to go up here, but he just stayed here and Dodson got the opportunity
• 1:50:45
  to play, and I think he kind of went a little bit down there.
• 1:50:47
  So we'll see what happens there. Beta Jim says, chances Marlow is
• 1:50:51
  signed as a vet of the practice squad for what he can do for the
• 1:50:54
  locker room and help the squad develop. I think there's a high chance of
• 1:50:56
  that, provided he doesn't get picked up or signed by someone else. He
• 1:51:00
  loves Buffalo, wants to stay here, wants to be here. I think
• 1:51:03
  there's a good chance of that. Do do think that Tony saying wasn't Benford
• 1:51:13
  tab to move to safety? That was like a long term potential conversation.
• 1:51:16
  It was mentioned to Brandon being last year. He spoke out about it a
• 1:51:18
  little bit this offseason. But I think his game has really progressed at corner
• 1:51:23
  to the spot where he's in legitimate contention for the corner two spot and Dane
• 1:51:28
  Jackson. Maybe he doesn't come back next year. It may be your corner
• 1:51:30
  rotation next year is chris Ter, Benford, Orkier Elam or maybe Benford wins
• 1:51:33
  the job this year. I do think it's Dane's to lose, but I
• 1:51:35
  think Benford would be next man up. And the fact that Benford is corner
• 1:51:40
  three really on the depth chart right now, behind Trey and Jack and Dane
• 1:51:43
  Jackson means that he's staying at corner there Mexico. I'm already saying it'd be
• 1:51:48
  hilarious if Joe Shane had pushed hard for Booge on draft Day over being subjections
• 1:51:53
  and then imagining their phone call today, Well you wanted him, now you
• 1:51:56
  can have them. I like that. That's funny. Dan says, who
• 1:52:01
  do you think starts at corner or how do you feel the rotation will be.
• 1:52:04
  I'm a bit nervous for Elam and Dane is CV two on the JEB
• 1:52:06
  chart, and I feel like Benford is better to be honest, He's always
• 1:52:10
  right on his man. I am fine with Dane Jackson. I don't think
• 1:52:13
  he's as bad as he gets made out to be. I think he gives
• 1:52:15
  you that high flour. I think he's reliable, albeit not sexy, and
• 1:52:18
  doesn't offer you the athleticism or size or scheme versatility piece. But I'm fine
• 1:52:24
  with Dane. I think it will be Dane Jackson's spot. I think Dane
• 1:52:26
  Jackson is corner two. I don't think we're going to see a ton of
• 1:52:29
  rotation there. I think Benford is next man up as corner three, and
• 1:52:32
  then I think Elam is CB four. I do like Christian Benford. I
• 1:52:36
  like the physicality. I think his athleticism was better than I anticipated it would
• 1:52:40
  be. He's smart, He's usually in a right position. Even though he's
• 1:52:45
  physical, he's not as penalty vulnerable as Kyer Elam is. I love his
• 1:52:50
  coverage on that slot fade route against DJ Moore in Chicago this past week.
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  Again, that's just one rep, so not to kind of blow out of
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  proportion, but I was like his physic Keldy's had some really good tackles this
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  far in his career, along with some missus. I like some of the
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  coverage reps he had against Justin Jefferson last year as he learned. You know,
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  he got beat by by Jefferson early and then learned as that game went
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  on. So I do like Benford. I'm fine with the rotation and with
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  this depth chart. I think you have a strong corner grouping again, even
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  though ideally it was Elam who was going to be CB two, Even though
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  he's not there, I think you have a strong group with Trey, Dane,
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  Benford and Elam. You can never have enough corner depth, so I'm
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  cool with the group as a whole. I do think Dane is CB two
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  and it is his actual job. I don't think we're going to see much
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  rotation there. I know it's not ideal and it's not sexy, but I'm
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  fine with it given his reliability and his consistency at this position. Oh spin,
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  says Cam Newton or Kyle Allen. Oh ah, bro, I don't
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  know Kyle Allen. I at least trust Kyle Allen as a thrower of the
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  football. I don't love this question though. This is really tough. I
• 1:53:57
  guess Kyle Allen, but I don't feel great. Maybe Cam now Kyle Allen.
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  I don't like this, and I think this speaks to what our QB
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  two situation is actually. You know, probably Kyle Allen because it'll make Josh
• 1:54:11
  Allen feel better. And I don't think Cam Newton is this material upgrade at
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  QB two to the point that it helps to Bill significantly if Kyle Allen isn't
• 1:54:19
  the guy and if Josh Allen goes down. So I'm saying Kyle Allen.
• 1:54:24
  But I don't love I don't love it. I don't love it. Beta
• 1:54:30
  Jim says, I think Elam's Elam gets more hate than he should, since
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  I think he's at least as good as McDuffie has been. Oh, if
• 1:54:35
  CB four is to Casey CB two, we're doing great. I don't think,
• 1:54:42
  I don't think. I don't think Elam has played to the level of
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  McDuffie and Casey. I granted, I say that as a mcdufee was my
• 1:54:49
  CB three coming out. I don't think they played to the same level.
• 1:54:56
  I don't think it's played at the same level. But again, I'm fine
• 1:54:59
  with Elam for I think he just needs a little more time to simmer and
• 1:55:00
  develop. But I don't think he's played to the level of McDuffie. Man.
• 1:55:06
  Yeah, good times all right, I think we're gonna wind down here
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  on this show. I appreciate everybody you tuned in live. We've gone for
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• 1:55:15
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• 1:55:45
  great question. Kyle Allen or Hayley Steinfeld. It depends on what are we
• 1:55:49
  getting, like any type of character ability with Hayley Steinfeld, Like, am
• 1:55:53
  I getting any of her like bow and arrow abilities from what she learned from
• 1:55:57
  Hawkeye? Like? Because if that's the case, I would take Hayley Steinfeld.
• 1:56:02
  Depends on what type of like what Hayley Steinfeld version, like, am
• 1:56:05
  I getting again she can fire that bow and arrow. I know it's not
• 1:56:09
  practical from a football perspective. Oh, he said, Yes, I'm taking
• 1:56:12
  Harley Steinfeld. Yeah, Pop says, go with the superhero. Absolutely,
• 1:56:15
  I'm taking her. I'm not putting her at quarterback though. I'm putting her
• 1:56:18
  at safety and I'm just having her snipe dudes all day with arrows left and
• 1:56:23
  right. That's exactly what we're doing. Oh, this is nice. Rick
• 1:56:26
  says, great work, and then through a super chat with as well,
• 1:56:29
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• 1:56:30
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