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Ep. 53: Time To Grow Up | Jags A.M. Podcast · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: The Jaguars prepared to take on the top team in
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Speaker 1: the AFC. Who's gonna need to have a big game
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Speaker 1: on Sunday if they want to take down the Ravens.
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Speaker 2: Devin Lloyd, He's going to have to be able to
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Speaker 2: get out to the flat because Lamar Jackson loves to
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Speaker 2: throw those short little passes to say Flowers and he
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Speaker 2: gets open easily. And he's also gonna have to know
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Speaker 2: where Lamar Jackson is because if you lose sight of him,
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Speaker 2: you're in trouble.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, Calvin Ridley, you need a big play
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Speaker 3: from You need big plays from above the exits and
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Speaker 3: ose players in big games.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jags Am presented by Field's Auto Group. I'm
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Speaker 1: Kenannie Stevens, Brian's exton John Osier, are with me today
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Speaker 1: as we get prepared for Sunday night football against the
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Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens. Now Last week, the team went up against
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Speaker 1: one of the best defenses in the league, probably number
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Speaker 1: one and one A and one B. So big thing
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Speaker 1: number one this week is going to be one A
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Speaker 1: in one day because one BA would be the Ravens,
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Speaker 1: who are the second best technically but one of the
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Speaker 1: top defenses in the league, and they're going to be
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Speaker 1: a tough test for the Jaguars on Sunday night.
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Speaker 4: I mean, they just have a great defense all the
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Speaker 4: way around, not even not even just pass rush, you know,
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Speaker 4: on the back end, they're linebackers. I mean, they have
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Speaker 4: some of the best linebackers in football. You know, Kyle
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Speaker 4: Hamilton too is another guy who played in college and
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Speaker 4: I think he might have been hurt last year when
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Speaker 4: we played him. But that's a guy I'm somewhat familiar with.
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Speaker 4: He's a great player. So yeah, they got They just
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Speaker 4: have the really talented defense. But they're also really smart.
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Speaker 4: You know, they do a great job and playing you know,
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Speaker 4: sound and really on the same page. Everyone knows their
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Speaker 4: assignment and knows what they're doing. They play really fast.
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Speaker 4: I think that's the biggest thing is they know what
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Speaker 4: they're doing and they play fast and they're physical.
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Speaker 1: Brian and the Jags were able to score pretty readily
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Speaker 1: against the Browns and didn't win the game. But does
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Speaker 1: that mean that translates over to Baltimore is a completely
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Speaker 1: different situation.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they're different styles of defense. Here's what you
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Speaker 2: know about the Ravens. The Ravens leave the league with
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Speaker 2: forty nine sacks and their win percentage because they've got
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Speaker 2: guys with eleven, seven and a half and six sacks,
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Speaker 2: so the win percentage is about ten percent of the
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Speaker 2: time they're affecting the quarterback, it's going to create problems.
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Speaker 2: But if you protect decent enough right depending on who's
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Speaker 2: on the left side of the line, you give yourself
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Speaker 2: a chance to be able to score against the Ravens.
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Speaker 2: It's not like people don't score against these teams. It's
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Speaker 2: not like the great Ravens teams of the early two
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Speaker 2: thousands where you were lucky. Can remember one game where
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Speaker 2: the Jaguars got five field goals where you were lucky
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Speaker 2: to score at all. They could score, but they've got
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Speaker 2: to protect first.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, protection's key. I think it's particularly key because it's
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Speaker 3: hard to imagine the running game with Travis Dtn, with
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Speaker 3: the interior the offensive line struggling in that area, it's
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Speaker 3: hard to imagine the running game piling up one hundred
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Speaker 3: and twenty one hundred and thirty ball control yards. I
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Speaker 3: think the running game can get some big plays, some
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Speaker 3: pops and make them The Ravens respected to do it help,
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Speaker 3: but barring that you have to protect because there's gonna
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Speaker 3: be passing situations where they have to convert big third
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Speaker 3: downs to me third downs and big plays the way
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Speaker 3: you beat the Ravens because they're gonna get to you
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Speaker 3: a couple of times on their defense.
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Speaker 2: And I'll say this, John, You know, last week the
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Speaker 2: Jaguars had Blake Hans and Tyler Shatley on the left
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Speaker 2: side of their line, and they were facing the best
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Speaker 2: defensive pass rusher in football and a really good defensive front,
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Speaker 2: and they were all right, you know, they had twenty
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Speaker 2: seven points and they were, you know, within shouting distance
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Speaker 2: at the end of the game. So you'd like to
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Speaker 2: think that if Walker Little can play and he's practicing
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Speaker 2: a bit this week, and if Ezra Cleveland can get
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Speaker 2: out of the field and he's practicing a little bit
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Speaker 2: this week, that you give yourself a fighting chance at home.
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Speaker 1: Our second big thing this week, Eric today is to
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Speaker 1: say there's gonna be MVP again because on the other
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Speaker 1: side of the ball, the Ravens have one of the
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Speaker 1: best quarterbacks in the league, Lamar Jackson, impressive and a
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Speaker 1: comeback win last week. And you will also be a
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Speaker 1: tough matchup for the Jaguars defense.
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Speaker 5: Great football player, great quarterback.
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 5: One of the things he's doing, you know, this year,
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Speaker 5: I think, which was a point of MPs for them,
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Speaker 5: obviously throwing the ball a little bit more from the pocket.
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Speaker 5: And he's done a nice job for that, you know,
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Speaker 5: And it takes all eleven on defense. You just can't,
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Speaker 5: you know, you can't let your guard down with him obviously,
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Speaker 5: not only in the run game, but the pass game
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Speaker 5: as well. When you get an opportunity to tackle him,
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Speaker 5: you got to tackle him.
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Speaker 3: John.
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Speaker 1: We all know Lamar Jackson can run, but he's really
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Speaker 1: been staying in the pocket and throwing, especially now that
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Speaker 1: he's got wide receivers A Flowers, the rookie and also
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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham junior. It's impressive to see what he's been
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Speaker 1: able to do with his game now a couple of
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Speaker 1: years in.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he has, he's much better there than he has been.
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Speaker 3: To me, what still makes him meget dangerous is that
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Speaker 3: he can get that in the passing game, but then
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Speaker 3: he can also kill you getting outside the pocket. And
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Speaker 3: I think where the Jaguars have a chance to stay
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Speaker 3: even against the Ravens. Look, the Ravens are one of
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Speaker 3: the best teams in the NFL. You're probably not gonna
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Speaker 3: shut them down and blow them out, but what gives
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Speaker 3: you a chance to maintain With the Ravens. Same thing
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Speaker 3: as last year with Lamar. The Jaguars defense is much
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Speaker 3: better than it was two or three years ago, with
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Speaker 3: mobile quarterbacks, keeping them in the pocket, not letting those
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Speaker 3: guys just kill you. Play after scramble after scramble. I
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Speaker 3: think the Jaguars, because of Josh Allen Trayvon, the linebackers
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Speaker 3: are very good. They can contain Lamar. They cannot let
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Speaker 3: him have the seventy yard run or the or the
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Speaker 3: multiple fifteen yard runs that just make it drive. I
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Speaker 3: think they match up okay there and Brian. That's gonna
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Speaker 3: give them a chance to hold serviance them, maintain and
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Speaker 3: not let that factor win the game. The Ravens defense
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Speaker 3: hears me as much as that. Yeah, the Ravens defense
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Speaker 3: is really good. Look, the Jaguars defense has to play
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Speaker 3: smart football. They have not gotten home in the last
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Speaker 3: two weeks.
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Speaker 6: A little bit of.
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Speaker 2: Pressure on Browning, But was he thirty two or thirty
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Speaker 2: seven two weeks ago on the Monday Night football and
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Speaker 2: then you got this guy here who he's not looking
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Speaker 2: to run. As you mentioned guy Todd Munkins offense gives
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Speaker 2: him more options if he stays in the pocket, and
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Speaker 2: you've seen him grow throughout the course of the year.
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Speaker 2: But you know, if your run past him, and we've
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Speaker 2: seen that from this Jaguars defense, a guy gets out
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Speaker 2: of his gap, runs too far, you know this guy's
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Speaker 2: going to go for twenty five yards and put himself
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Speaker 2: in scoring position like that. This is about playing smart.
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Speaker 2: And I don't think the Jaguars defense has had too
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Speaker 2: many bad games this year, but the last two weeks
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Speaker 2: have not been their best.
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Speaker 1: All Right, our final big thing today is going to
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Speaker 1: be growing up. Obviously, the Jaguars went on a great
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Speaker 1: run at the end of last season to a little
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Speaker 1: bit unexpectedly make the playoffs. This year, they're achieving at
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Speaker 1: a pace we probably predicted. But now they're on a
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Speaker 1: two game losing streak, and Doug Peterson says that they
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Speaker 1: can't really use that youth fixed these anymore.
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Speaker 5: Everybody's played rookies are no longer rookies. Is week fifteen.
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Speaker 5: You know, I can't I can't hide behind that anymore.
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Speaker 5: You know, I can't use that as an excuse anymore.
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Speaker 5: You know, every team's in Week fifteen, there's no more buys,
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Speaker 5: every rookie's played. I mean, it's it's it's just everybody
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Speaker 5: has to focus that much greater, Brian.
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Speaker 1: This is a young team, but they're not inexperienced at
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Speaker 1: this point. I think this is a point where Doug
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Speaker 1: wants to see that maturity level kind of step up
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Speaker 1: and see them kind of take hold of this opportunity,
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Speaker 1: especially on either Sunday Night football or the home stretch
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Speaker 1: as a whole.
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Speaker 2: Well, you decide how you wanted to play. Do you
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Speaker 2: wanted to play loose and free? I mean, let's be honest.
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Speaker 2: They're not in real contention for the number one overall
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Speaker 2: seed like they were two weeks ago when Cincinnati was here.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they could get there, but it's not the
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Speaker 2: most likely scenario. Or do you want them to play
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Speaker 2: desperate right like the Niners were on a three game
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Speaker 2: losing streak, you know, like the Browns were last week
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Speaker 2: where they played super hungry in front of their home
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Speaker 2: crowd because they understood that they were on the margins
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Speaker 2: of the playoffs, but they could find themselves behind the
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Speaker 2: eight ball in a very competitive AFC, you choose me myself.
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Speaker 2: I'd like to see them come out with a it's
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Speaker 2: so esoteric, John, but just a sense of desperation, like, Hey, look,
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Speaker 2: we haven't played our best football. We're on Sunday night
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Speaker 2: football in primetime, and we didn't play well last time.
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Speaker 2: So let's get out there and play good football against
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Speaker 2: the best team in the AFC. Let's be hungry to
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Speaker 2: show the rest of the country you know what we
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Speaker 2: are and not let them walk away thinking but we're not.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Jaguars in the last few weeks, and I
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Speaker 3: would include this week, are in one of those crisis
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Speaker 3: points of the season. And when I say crisis, I
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Speaker 3: probably mean defining more than that. They're beat up. They
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Speaker 3: are in first place, but they've lost a couple of games.
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Speaker 3: They haven't been blown out in they just haven't quite
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Speaker 3: gotten there. And there's plenty of reasons for it, the injuries,
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Speaker 3: Trevor's ankle's mistakes. At some point during those stretches, really
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Speaker 3: good teams get one and sort of rite the ship.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's what Doug would like to see
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Speaker 3: this week. Hey, it's tough. The NFL is not easy.
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Speaker 3: You're playing a first place schedule this year, which means
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Speaker 3: you're playing not teams like the Ravens and the Niners
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Speaker 3: and the Chiefs instead of the other teams. At some point,
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Speaker 3: go get one of those late in the season that
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Speaker 3: puts you over the top where you're not necessarily favored
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Speaker 3: in the game. And it takes what Brian's talking about.
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Speaker 3: It takes that desperation, that intensity, maybe making a play
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Speaker 3: you didn't expect somehow finding a way to use that cliche.
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Speaker 3: I think that's what Doug would like to see this week,
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Speaker 3: and that's what he's talking about with maturity. You know,
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Speaker 3: a mature team, a playoff team, figures out a way
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Speaker 3: to somehow get this one even when people don't expect it.
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Speaker 1: I think you're right, John, Definitely a sense of urgency
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Speaker 1: the team's gonna need going into this game against the Ravens.
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Speaker 1: All right, Stay with us here on jags Am as
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Speaker 1: we go around the locker room. Here what everybody else
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Speaker 1: has to say about the Ravens matchup. Welcome back to
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Speaker 1: We're here in the Hyundai studios as we get ready
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Speaker 1: for Sunday Night Football two thousand and eight.
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Speaker 2: This last night, yeah, October fifth, two thousand and eight,
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Speaker 2: they played a game against the Steelers, and it was
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Speaker 2: John Madden's last Jaguars game, last game in Jacksonville. So
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Speaker 2: to be honest with you, I had to go back
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Speaker 2: and look it up. It wasn't the most memorable game,
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Speaker 2: although Rashee Mathis had it picked six early in the
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Speaker 2: game to give the Jaguars the leader for Ben Roethlisberger.
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Speaker 2: Rasheen who was a three time Pro Bowl corner, which
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Speaker 2: just always seemed to be the Steelers nemesis.
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Speaker 6: That guy that just always had Roethlisberger looking around and
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Speaker 6: where is he? Where is he?
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Speaker 2: But it was John Madden's last game, and I remember
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Speaker 2: having a conversation with him in the hallway about, you know,
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Speaker 2: the importance of this team starting to win because they
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Speaker 2: weren't much and knowing that Jacksonville really needed this team
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Speaker 2: to start to get some traction so that their future
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Speaker 2: would be secure, and he thought they would. So now
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Speaker 2: they are many many years I remember that conversation with him.
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Speaker 1: Nice man, he was right, all right, cool, let's talk
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Speaker 1: a little bit about what's been going on in the
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Speaker 1: locker room. We got down there yesterday, talked to of
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Speaker 1: the guys about, you know, whether they're hitting the panic
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Speaker 1: button right now. Evan Ingram had a very strong response
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Speaker 1: to that.
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Speaker 6: Just diversity.
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Speaker 7: That's what life is about, that's what this league is about.
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Speaker 7: And obviously we got the great We got the guys
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Speaker 7: in here to figure it out and respond and turn
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Speaker 7: this thing around. And you know, it's cool. We're sitting
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Speaker 7: at eight and five and we know we could be better.
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Speaker 7: So we're definitely gonna go out and try to respond
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Speaker 7: and get back at.
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Speaker 1: The way Colin, for sure, the first part of that
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Speaker 1: one was hell, no, it's not time to pan.
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Speaker 6: No, No, he was fired up here.
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Speaker 2: Toady had another conversation with him for radio pregame and
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Speaker 2: he said, look, those are lights are damn bright, and
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Speaker 2: everybody needs to respond. You know, we were talking about urgency.
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Speaker 2: Choose your words, that's a desperation. But he said, everybody
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Speaker 2: needs to respond to the challenge that we have an
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Speaker 2: end to each his own was his specific phrase. Everybody's
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Speaker 2: going to come to the game prepared in their own way,
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Speaker 2: feeling their own way, desperate, hungry, loose, and relaxed. Whatever
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Speaker 2: he says isn't about one common theme and everybody's on
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Speaker 2: the same wavelength. Is about everybody responding to the challenge
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Speaker 2: that we face in their own way.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the Jaguars have waited a long time to
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Speaker 3: be a contender, and contending in the NFL these days
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Speaker 3: is this. I mean last year was sort of unique
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Speaker 3: and that the Jaguars got on a roll and they
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Speaker 3: kind of came from nowhere and everything felt sort of inevitable,
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Speaker 3: Like when you look back on it, it felt inevitable they're
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Speaker 3: going to win those five games and get that's not
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Speaker 3: a story. But usually there are some teams like forty
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Speaker 3: nine ers this year that look like they're just the
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Speaker 3: team and they're sort of rolling. Well, that's a rare
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Speaker 3: thing to reach in the NFL. Usually you have some
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Speaker 3: adversity late in the season. It's a league of attrition.
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Speaker 3: You've got some injuries, you play well for a few weeks,
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Speaker 3: you sink back because everybody else is good. You're playing contenders,
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Speaker 3: and the league wants these last games to be competitive.
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Speaker 3: They try to schedule tough games. So this is sort
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Speaker 3: of what it is. And I think Evan's point is
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Speaker 3: look for about what happened last week, Go in this one,
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Speaker 3: figure out a way to win this one, get it,
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Speaker 3: and then figure out the next one. And it's hard
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Speaker 3: to sort of analyze that, but at some point you're
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Speaker 3: out there playing games and you're not necessarily worlds better
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Speaker 3: than the opponent. You just find a way to win
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Speaker 3: that week and you move on. And they answer Jaguars
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Speaker 3: task this, but they're not favored. I'm not sure they're
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Speaker 3: gonna win, but they're very capable of winning if they
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Speaker 3: play well. They just happened the last couple of weeks.
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Speaker 2: To your point, they are seeing the exact same thing
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Speaker 2: in Kansas City right now, where they've lost to in
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Speaker 2: a row, in Philadelphia where they've lost two in a row,
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Speaker 2: in Miami, and in Detroit. I mean, even the contenders,
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Speaker 2: those teams, if you follow such things as power rankings,
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Speaker 2: that have been in the top all year long, they're
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Speaker 2: all dealing with this too. And it was only late
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Speaker 2: October that the Niners were dealing with this. They lost
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Speaker 2: back to back games to backup quarterbacks. You're thinking, what's
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Speaker 2: the matter with them? And they got hot.
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Speaker 3: I got an angry email this week. I want this
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Speaker 3: team to be consistent, And I said, outside of San Francisco,
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Speaker 3: find me one. I mean, yes, it was an instance
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Speaker 3: right now, but everybody else in the league. Okay, Dallas too,
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Speaker 3: right now they're on a roll. But the Niners are
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Speaker 3: the team that are consistent in the AFC.
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Speaker 6: Nobody is.
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Speaker 2: You know, the Dolphins scored seventy points in September and
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Speaker 2: since then they have been up and down and up
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Speaker 2: and down.
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Speaker 1: It up.
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Speaker 2: Now, what do you think they're saying? It's out Florida
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Speaker 2: about consistency. Where's the team that scored seventy What do
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Speaker 2: you expect it every week?
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Speaker 6: Yes?
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Speaker 3: Right, yes, yes they do, Yes, they do.
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Speaker 1: Else we're in the locker room. Calvin Ridley kind of
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Speaker 1: haig in. We've been talking about the issues with the
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Speaker 1: route running and Trevor was talking about miscommunication as well,
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Speaker 1: and really kind of broke down what he saw on
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Speaker 1: that play, on one of the interceptions.
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Speaker 8: On that type of play, it's the ball can go
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Speaker 8: to me, can go to someone else, and it's a look.
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Speaker 8: You know, I thought I had a certain look and
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Speaker 8: I was trying to, you know, get my feet on,
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Speaker 8: get my get up on the dB and take them
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Speaker 8: a certain way. So we could get another person's pop open.
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Speaker 8: But it was a different look, and I didn't get
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Speaker 8: my head around faster, and the ball came out a little.
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Speaker 3: Faster than I thought. But if I would have, I
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Speaker 3: just need.
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Speaker 8: To be logged in in that moment more and just
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Speaker 8: see to look better and get my head around bass.
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Speaker 6: Then it had been a different type.
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Speaker 1: Of place, accoring towardly running the right route, not the
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Speaker 1: look he thought misidentified what the defense was doing, thought
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Speaker 1: it was going somewhere else happens if that's something they
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Speaker 1: need to get on the same page about obviously, to
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Speaker 1: kind of just always be prepared, especially I'm sure it's
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Speaker 1: being emphasized this week without Christian Girk out there, because
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Speaker 1: there's not always that guy that's gonna be the first option.
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Speaker 1: Maybe a lot of the time. You have to be
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Speaker 1: ready at all times.
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Speaker 2: Well, And another radio conversation I had there say it
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Speaker 2: was with wide receivers coach Chad Hole, and he talked
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Speaker 2: about about he used the word cohesion. He talked about
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Speaker 2: that unspoken communication between a quarterback and a wide receiver.
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Speaker 2: And then I was standing in the locker room yesterday
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Speaker 2: and noticing that Trevor's locker is here, and Calvin's locker
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Speaker 2: is here. I mean they have got to since the
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Speaker 2: start of the season. There's no accident that these two
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Speaker 2: guys are across from each other. They've been trying to
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Speaker 2: build that sense of unspoken timing. How long did it
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Speaker 2: take Peyton and Marvin Harrison to create that How long
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Speaker 2: did it take when Reggie Wayne came in to be
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Speaker 2: able to be that target that Peyton Manning was looking at.
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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to excuse the mistakes he made. I'm
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Speaker 2: saying this is part of the process of two guys
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Speaker 2: coming together.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's rarely, especially with route running offense in
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Speaker 3: the NFL these days, it's rarely one thing this guy
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Speaker 3: did this poorly. It's usually over the course of a game.
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Speaker 8: More.
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Speaker 3: You a lot of read routes. You got a lot
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Speaker 3: of routes that playoff of Okay, that even's doing this. Now,
16:33
Speaker 3: the quarterback sees this, the wide series sees this. I
16:35
Speaker 3: keep going back to you know, yes, the communication has
16:40
Speaker 3: been a bit clunky with Calvin at times with Trevor,
16:44
Speaker 3: but everything was sort of going in a good direction
16:47
Speaker 3: offensively until Trevor didn't practice last week. So I do
16:52
Speaker 3: think that's sort of become a forgotten element of there
16:56
Speaker 3: was really no reps at all with these guys, and
17:00
Speaker 3: up until he got hurt against Cincinnati the last couple
17:03
Speaker 3: of games, I felt it was going smooth even without Christian.
17:06
Speaker 3: Then all of a sudden, guess what, he doesn't practice
17:08
Speaker 3: and it looks clunky.
17:09
Speaker 6: Well, that's how it goes.
17:11
Speaker 3: You know, that makes sense to me. I think it'll
17:13
Speaker 3: be better this week. There's still gonna be some of
17:16
Speaker 3: that because frankly, Calvin was out two years and this
17:20
Speaker 3: is still a young offense trying to get these things
17:23
Speaker 3: and you're gonna have this in the NFL sometimes.
17:24
Speaker 1: Yeah.
17:24
Speaker 2: And you know, the other thing Chad Hall said when
17:27
Speaker 2: we had our conversation after practice es today was that
17:30
Speaker 2: the coach, the head coach, had personally challenged all of
17:33
Speaker 2: the coaches to make fixes right, to look differently at it,
17:37
Speaker 2: and in fact, Doug said it in his news conference
17:39
Speaker 2: on both Monday and Wednesday, and that was the first
17:41
Speaker 2: thing that Chad went to. So it's not just the
17:43
Speaker 2: players who are trying to communicate, it's the coaches who
17:46
Speaker 2: are working it as well. They were attacking this problem right,
17:49
Speaker 2: this issue from last week at every angle.
17:52
Speaker 3: And Calvin said something that I thought was interesting. Yes
17:55
Speaker 3: today too. It was sort of after one of the questions,
17:58
Speaker 3: he goes, I just kind of wish the guy had
17:59
Speaker 3: dropped the while we had another chance. And there is
18:01
Speaker 3: an element of that. We're focused on that one play
18:04
Speaker 3: because the Brown's got an interception off of it. Every
18:07
Speaker 3: team in the league has miscommunications at times between receivers
18:12
Speaker 3: and quarterbacks. That one really bit the Jags. So we're
18:15
Speaker 3: talking about it a lot, and there was some It
18:18
Speaker 3: showed up big time on Sunday. It really hurt them.
18:22
Speaker 3: It doesn't always hurt you that much. A lot of
18:24
Speaker 3: teams weren't hurt by it, so I think this is
18:27
Speaker 3: this week's topic. I don't know that miscommunication with receivers
18:31
Speaker 3: has been a season long thing that's defined it, but
18:34
Speaker 3: they got to get it fixed now.
18:36
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that you're talking about Doug Peterson
18:37
Speaker 1: telling coaching staff to try something new, cause a lot
18:40
Speaker 1: of what we talked about is we're making mistakes the
18:43
Speaker 1: game plan to sound the plans or what they are.
18:45
Speaker 1: It's just the player's execution or making self inflicted wounds.
18:49
Speaker 1: But it is a nice change, I'll say, to see
18:52
Speaker 1: a little bit of Hey, we need to do a
18:53
Speaker 1: couple things differently. What we're doing is not even if
18:56
Speaker 1: we do it to perfection, is not perfect, and we
18:59
Speaker 1: need to kind of adapt and move forward. So that's
19:01
Speaker 1: some growth there that's good to see as well. One
19:03
Speaker 1: of the people that is stepping up in the absence
19:05
Speaker 1: of Christian Kirk has been Evan Ingram. He's been letting
19:07
Speaker 1: in the world on fire. His first touchdown of the
19:09
Speaker 1: year on Monday Night Football and then of course got
19:13
Speaker 1: a couple of touchdowns against the Browns as well, and
19:16
Speaker 1: he says this Ravens defense is gonna be a tough
19:18
Speaker 1: magic as well.
19:19
Speaker 7: They played with a lot of swagger. Uh they they
19:23
Speaker 7: played really tough. They push pushed people around, and uh
19:28
Speaker 7: they're playing really well. It's part of the you know,
19:30
Speaker 7: they have a good, great offense and a great defense. So, uh,
19:33
Speaker 7: they it's gonna be a challenge. They're gonna be in
19:36
Speaker 7: our house. They came here last year and uh, they're
19:38
Speaker 7: probably trying to respond to how the game ended last year.
19:41
Speaker 7: So we're gonna get their best punch, but we got
19:44
Speaker 7: the guys to go do it, for sure, John.
19:47
Speaker 1: I have to imagine Evan's gonna be targeted quite a.
19:48
Speaker 3: Bit for some good looking media around here and focusing
19:53
Speaker 3: yeah it. To me, Evan has in this offense even
20:01
Speaker 3: when the running game's going well. The passing game is
20:06
Speaker 3: part of the running game in the West Coast offense
20:09
Speaker 3: that hasn't been as effective with receivers necessarily this year.
20:12
Speaker 3: But to me, a lot of Evans production is making
20:15
Speaker 3: up for the lack of a running game a little
20:16
Speaker 3: bit because Trevor really relies on it. When they're in
20:19
Speaker 3: second and nine, it's going to Evan a lot getting
20:22
Speaker 3: to third and two, getting the third and manageable. That
20:26
Speaker 3: isn't I mean, Evan's not effective. I think it makes
20:29
Speaker 3: them very important in this right now because you need
20:31
Speaker 3: that tight end. He's on pace, I think, to catch
20:34
Speaker 3: more passes than anybody except Jimmy in nineteen ninety nine.
20:38
Speaker 3: He's probably gonna reach that number because they're using him
20:40
Speaker 3: that way. The most impressive thing about Evan the last
20:43
Speaker 3: couple weeks, all of a sudden, the red zone production's there.
20:47
Speaker 3: It really hadn't been. I don't think he's ever going
20:49
Speaker 3: to be a thirty five yard per catch guy like that,
20:53
Speaker 3: but if he can keep giving you that in the
20:54
Speaker 3: red zone. That's an element that they lacked for twelve
20:59
Speaker 3: games or for eleven games. If that's there and they
21:03
Speaker 3: start putting it together, that's really big Intocember Bryant.
21:05
Speaker 2: If you were the Ravens, you take him away right,
21:09
Speaker 2: try to Yeah, I mean, that's where you send Kyle Hamilton,
21:12
Speaker 2: who was limiting a practice.
21:13
Speaker 6: He's got the knee from last week.
21:15
Speaker 2: That's where Rokwan Smith, who was an excellent linebacker, that's
21:18
Speaker 2: where you'd put him. So to me, you said he'll
21:22
Speaker 2: be targeted a lot. They'll try. This is where Parker
21:25
Speaker 2: Washington and Jay Jones and Tim Jones or Elijah Cooks
21:31
Speaker 2: or whenever the ball comes your way it may only
21:34
Speaker 2: be twice, then you got to make a catch, especially
21:37
Speaker 2: if it's on third down. You've got to pull this
21:39
Speaker 2: one in. This is gonna be a game where Evan's
21:42
Speaker 2: gonna get someplace. He's gonna make some place. He's really
21:45
Speaker 2: a tough matchup, but this Ravens defense is excellent. It's
21:48
Speaker 2: gonna come down to another guy making a clutch catch
21:50
Speaker 2: in a key moment.
21:51
Speaker 1: Should be all right coming up after the break here
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22:22
Speaker 4: Definitely. I mean, we got we got four four games left,
22:26
Speaker 4: you know, we're we're we're in a fine position, you
22:28
Speaker 4: know where we're at record wise. We we got to
22:30
Speaker 4: take care of business this week and and moving forward,
22:32
Speaker 4: but we got to take it one week at a
22:33
Speaker 4: time and need to get back on track this week
22:36
Speaker 4: for sure. But yeah, there's still plenty of time. You know,
22:38
Speaker 4: you look at where we're at. If we could have
22:41
Speaker 4: been in this position last year, we would have we
22:42
Speaker 4: would have given a lot to be here. So you know,
22:45
Speaker 4: there's no panic, but there is sense urgency where this
22:48
Speaker 4: time of year, December going into January, you got to
22:50
Speaker 4: be playing your best football and we're not there yet.
22:52
Speaker 6: So we got some work to do.
22:55
Speaker 1: Still plenty of time to get things figured out. And
22:57
Speaker 1: it is a good point. This was very different than
22:59
Speaker 1: this time last year and you wheeled off all those
23:01
Speaker 1: wins in a row, and that was wonderful. But now
23:03
Speaker 1: that you're in you know, you build up this kind
23:05
Speaker 1: of lead, so if something like this happens, it doesn't
23:07
Speaker 1: break your season.
23:08
Speaker 2: Well, and John talked about it, managing attrition, managing the injuries.
23:12
Speaker 2: And you've got guys now who you are either getting
23:15
Speaker 2: back or who have been back for a week or
23:17
Speaker 2: two and you hope get closer to being one hundred percent.
23:20
Speaker 2: Can I just go ahead with my He will?
23:22
Speaker 6: He won't? He mind, because my guy's one of those
23:24
Speaker 6: guys in that state. Jones.
23:25
Speaker 2: You know, he's been playing with a knee since week
23:27
Speaker 2: two and he missed a good portion of the season.
23:30
Speaker 6: Then he comes back and he's playing with a brace,
23:32
Speaker 6: which he had never played with before, he told me
23:34
Speaker 6: not long ago.
23:34
Speaker 2: But he's finally feeling like he's getting back to one
23:37
Speaker 2: hundred percent. And he's a guy who loves to play
23:40
Speaker 2: in prime time and saves, he said, a little bit
23:43
Speaker 2: of energy right for these kinds of games. So I
23:46
Speaker 2: expect that he will come out and he will be
23:47
Speaker 2: the go to guy. He will be that guy who
23:50
Speaker 2: has ten targets, nine catches, you know, eighty nine yards
23:55
Speaker 2: and two touchdowns, and remember he was the guy that
23:57
Speaker 2: caught the two point conversion lines last year that beat
23:59
Speaker 2: the race.
24:00
Speaker 6: So he'll be that guy. I don't know that he's
24:03
Speaker 6: going to be that breakaway guy that he's been, right.
24:05
Speaker 6: I mean, he's the big speed guy, down the field guy.
24:07
Speaker 2: I'm not sure he's ready, you know, from a knee perspective,
24:10
Speaker 2: to be able to get down the field like that.
24:12
Speaker 2: But I do believe that he might be the difference
24:14
Speaker 2: maker in this game and catch the game winning touchdown
24:16
Speaker 2: pass because we have forgotten with Christian and with Evan
24:21
Speaker 2: and with Zay's injury that last year he was a
24:24
Speaker 2: go to guy and having him back on the field,
24:27
Speaker 2: even with Christian's absence, makes a world of difference for
24:32
Speaker 2: the quarterback. It's another guy that he knows will be
24:35
Speaker 2: where he's supposed to be.
24:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, when he's right, he really matters.
24:38
Speaker 6: Yeah.
24:38
Speaker 1: I wonder how much that knee injury is him, because
24:41
Speaker 1: it's some things he's just to step off and I
24:43
Speaker 1: feel like if he was fully healthy, it would be.
24:45
Speaker 2: He's getting there, he says, But it's that again, it's
24:47
Speaker 2: one of the stories where you hope that some of
24:49
Speaker 2: these guys who are back and playing through injury all
24:52
Speaker 2: of a sudden, get a little healthier, get a little stronger,
24:55
Speaker 2: and feel more like themselves.
24:56
Speaker 3: And it's tough because he hasn't been bad. I remember
25:00
Speaker 3: there was a big play down the sideline. He made
25:02
Speaker 3: a great catch Agains Houston. There's been a couple where
25:05
Speaker 3: it's been there, he's flashed open, and sometimes this league
25:08
Speaker 3: is sort of circumstances. The guy makes a great play
25:10
Speaker 3: on you, but they definitely need his They need defenses
25:15
Speaker 3: to respect him bare minimum to open everything else up.
25:19
Speaker 3: I went with Josh Allen he will play well, because
25:24
Speaker 3: when hasn't he played well this year? I think that's
25:26
Speaker 3: probably the most telling thing about Josh. Even beyond in
25:32
Speaker 3: games where he comes off the fields as I could
25:34
Speaker 3: have done more, he's still playing well. He's been I
25:37
Speaker 3: think their most consistent player all year. I'm not sure
25:41
Speaker 3: who else I would put in that category. He won't
25:47
Speaker 3: He won't disappear in this game. He won't. This is
25:52
Speaker 3: never too much for him, and he won't quit. I
25:55
Speaker 3: think the biggest thing he knows with Josh, even in
25:58
Speaker 3: the games where he doesn't get a sad, he's pressuring.
26:02
Speaker 3: Last week he was close you don't always get home
26:07
Speaker 3: when you're a SAT guy. I thought he's still mattered,
26:11
Speaker 3: and then I think that's why you need to sign
26:14
Speaker 3: him and keep him around, because even I've said a
26:17
Speaker 3: million times, even when he doesn't quote play well, he
26:21
Speaker 3: plays well.
26:24
Speaker 5: He might.
26:26
Speaker 3: He had the moment against Cincinnati and then they didn't
26:29
Speaker 3: win the game. He might make a play Sunday where
26:34
Speaker 3: he's the one talking to Melissa Stark after the aim,
26:37
Speaker 3: or you know, he might solidify himself on Sunday primetime
26:43
Speaker 3: audience as not only a pro bowler, but a guy
26:46
Speaker 3: everybody around the country says, Oh, he's good.
26:50
Speaker 6: That's why the Jaguars are good.
26:51
Speaker 3: This might be his night.
26:52
Speaker 1: This one becomes the Josh Allen instead of Jaguars Josha.
26:56
Speaker 3: This is a chance seat of bills Josh. Well, he
26:59
Speaker 3: was that on one glorious day in a weird season.
27:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta take him next week if he doesn't
27:05
Speaker 2: get a sack record, because it's coming.
27:07
Speaker 1: I think it's coming. I think it's gonna Sunday Night Football.
27:09
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be cool for him. And if he got
27:11
Speaker 3: that on Sunday Night Football in a win, the whole
27:13
Speaker 3: story and he's the kind of player some guys get
27:17
Speaker 3: in the situation and they willt he's the kind of
27:20
Speaker 3: player who rises to it. I hope, so I hope
27:22
Speaker 3: we're right.
27:23
Speaker 1: I went with Hoya Lewisan from My Hero who wins
27:26
Speaker 1: Tonight because he will need to be the catalyst if
27:30
Speaker 1: they're gonna fix this communication on defense. We've talked about
27:33
Speaker 1: this for a couple of weeks now, how about things
27:35
Speaker 1: have not been going away. They want to whether it's
27:37
Speaker 1: the secondary or just not you know, reading things correctly,
27:40
Speaker 1: it's buying on the run, whatever it may be. He's
27:43
Speaker 1: kind of the captain out there, and he's gonna need
27:44
Speaker 1: to be, you know, the sounding piece between the defensive
27:49
Speaker 1: backs and the pass rush, especially now with so many
27:52
Speaker 1: players that are backup playing in the secondary. He won't
27:55
Speaker 1: have the luxury of not having a good tackling game
27:56
Speaker 1: like he did on Monday Night Football, because with Lamar
27:59
Speaker 1: Jackson's much of it is you know, keeping him in
28:02
Speaker 1: the pocket and tackling him if he does go out
28:03
Speaker 1: of the pocket. So with that, I think he might
28:06
Speaker 1: have the ability to maybe force some turnovers because as
28:08
Speaker 1: we know, Lamar does like to get out of the pocket,
28:10
Speaker 1: run a little bit when he has that opportunity, and
28:12
Speaker 1: of course Foil hopefully be there to make the tackle.
28:15
Speaker 2: He's played at such a high level this season. The
28:17
Speaker 2: last two weeks have not been up to that standard
28:19
Speaker 2: that he sets for himself. I saw an overrun plays
28:22
Speaker 2: which he never does against the Bengals, and last week
28:25
Speaker 2: he had a communication issue with Devin Lloyd.
28:29
Speaker 6: You just don't expect that.
28:29
Speaker 2: So he's one of those guys that I expect to
28:31
Speaker 2: come out and play well because that's who he is,
28:34
Speaker 2: that's what he does. Johnny had a big game against
28:36
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson last year. He had a bunch of tackles.
28:37
Speaker 2: I think that was his eighteen tackle game.
28:40
Speaker 3: It was, And he's key against this team because they
28:44
Speaker 3: want to run. Lamar is so key. If the linebackers
28:48
Speaker 3: don't play well, meaning make tackles two yards off line
28:51
Speaker 3: of scrimmage and not five, then they'll win this game.
28:55
Speaker 3: And he gets the Ravens. Your linebackers have to play well.
28:57
Speaker 1: Stay with us on Jag Dam after the break will
28:59
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Speaker 8: Let's all do oh, let me play, Let me play,
29:33
Speaker 8: let me play.
29:35
Speaker 1: They're down in four B God intercept it.
29:38
Speaker 2: He put it right in the chest of Darius Williams.
29:41
Speaker 2: The Jaguars defense needed that.
29:50
Speaker 9: Not a boy just became a little bit of a
29:52
Speaker 9: smash up derby out there and the receiver can't get there,
29:56
Speaker 9: and Darius Williams fills the void and happily takes it away.
30:01
Speaker 9: How was you?
30:02
Speaker 5: You help him?
30:07
Speaker 1: Darius Williams miked up last week and he doesn't always
30:10
Speaker 1: talk a lot, but on the field was pretty musing.
30:11
Speaker 1: I will say it was one of my more interesting
30:14
Speaker 1: mikes ups.
30:14
Speaker 6: That he should talk more. He's having a hell of
30:16
Speaker 6: a season.
30:16
Speaker 2: Seventeen passes, defense, near the top of the league, four interceptions.
30:21
Speaker 2: I didn't expect that kind of a performance from him
30:23
Speaker 2: this year. I expect him to be steady. I didn't
30:25
Speaker 2: expect him to be, you know, the best cover corner
30:28
Speaker 2: out there. Of course, Tyson Campbell has been injured for
30:30
Speaker 2: so long, but he's really been nice.
30:32
Speaker 3: No. I've said before I had egg on my face
30:34
Speaker 3: with this, and I thought he'd be a weakness. I mean,
30:36
Speaker 3: he was not great playing the nickel last year early
30:40
Speaker 3: and he played well after that. I sort of ignored that.
30:43
Speaker 3: This year he's been. I mean he's been their best corner.
30:46
Speaker 3: Tyson had mental field, so credit to him and Pride
30:49
Speaker 3: of Creek Side High. Yeah, he was on the ozone
30:51
Speaker 3: podcast earlier four or five weeks ago. He doesn't love
30:55
Speaker 3: doing media, so fans haven't really gotten to know him
30:58
Speaker 3: a whole lot. But he's a very engaging, interesting young man.
31:01
Speaker 6: We talked to.
31:02
Speaker 1: Sunday Night Football this week, first time since two thousand
31:05
Speaker 1: and eight. As we've talked about, I do want to
31:06
Speaker 1: remind everybody to be in their seats early. The light
31:08
Speaker 1: show was pretty cool for Monday Night Football. Sunday Night
31:12
Speaker 1: Football is the tealout, so they're doing the Teal light
31:15
Speaker 1: show as well, and there'll be little cards when you
31:17
Speaker 1: get to your seat and you can put a little
31:19
Speaker 1: Teal cover on top of your phone and then it'll
31:22
Speaker 1: all be a Teal show as well. John do you
31:24
Speaker 1: think you could handle it?
31:25
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah I can.
31:26
Speaker 1: There's a card writer. It should be full proof. Just
31:29
Speaker 1: scan it on there if John.
31:30
Speaker 3: It makes me laugh when you when you mentioned the
31:32
Speaker 3: teal out for the Monday night game. Why don't they
31:35
Speaker 3: do a teal out? Why don't they do a tea
31:36
Speaker 3: doing a blackout? That's guess what? Just be patient.
31:39
Speaker 6: Are they wearing allD teal?
31:40
Speaker 1: Yes?
31:40
Speaker 6: Yeah, tell out.
31:41
Speaker 1: Everybody's wearing teal Team two, team too, Team two. All right, everybody,
31:46
Speaker 1: enjoy the return of Sunday night football to Jacksonville. Will
31:49
Speaker 1: be with you next week as we go over hopefully
31:51
Speaker 1: a Jaguars win against the Ravens.
31:52
Speaker 3: Enjoy the game.
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Speaker 1: He left the
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Speaker 6: St