Latest / AI Safety Daily / Anthropic Opens Models to Australia as Evaluators Face Their Own Weak Spots — October 07, 2026
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- 0:00Rachel: Anthropic is opening its models to Australia's AI Safety Institute.
- 0:05Rachel: Lovely. So who checks the checkers?
- 0:08Daniel: AI Safety Daily, Wednesday.
- 0:10Daniel: On deck: an outside evaluator gets a door.
- 0:13Daniel: Then the evaluators take a hard look at their own weak spots, and we ask whether an AI system could quietly cover up its misbehavior.
- 0:24Rachel: Australia first. A door's nice.
- 0:27Rachel: What matters is what's behind it.
- 0:30Rachel: Forbes Australia, with Daniel Van Boom:
- 0:34Quote: Anthropic says it is finalising a deal that will allow Australia’s AI Safety Institute to evaluate its powerful new frontier models as it
- 0:42Quote: continues to push for a copyright agreement allowing it to train those models in Australia.
- 0:47Daniel: Same hearing, two asks.
- 0:50Daniel: Anthropic's general counsel Jeff Bleich tells Parliament the company's finalising a deal for Australia's AI Safety Institute to run its own
- 0:59Daniel: independent evaluations.
- 1:02Daniel: And in the same breath, it's pushing for a copyright arrangement to train models in Australia.
- 1:07Rachel: And the wording moved.
- 1:09Rachel: April's MOU talked about joint evaluations plus Anthropic sharing its own findings.
- 1:16Rachel: Now it says "independent."
- 1:18Rachel: That's a real step up from the "no Australian breaches" line, which was just Anthropic vouching for itself.
- 1:25Rachel: But nobody's running anything yet.
- 1:27Daniel: Right. "Finalising" means no terms we can read.
- 1:32Daniel: Which models, how far before release, can the institute publish without Anthropic's sign-off, and can it say stop?
- 1:40Daniel: Australia keeps collecting voluntary arrangements, and nothing at that hearing lets Canberra compel any of it.
- 1:46Rachel: I'd add one: run what, exactly?
- 1:50Rachel: It's a $29.9 million institute set up last year.
- 1:54Rachel: Getting into a finished model weeks after launch tells you a lot less than getting pre-release checkpoints and room to design your own
- 2:01Rachel: tests.
- 2:03Rachel: Kyle O’Brien and colleagues, writing in LessWrong:
- 2:07Quote: Filtering subversion-relevant information — subversion strategies
- 2:11Quote: information about subversion defences
- 2:14Quote: and empirical evaluations of the effectiveness of subversion strategies — is an intuitive way to make misaligned AI models less dangerous.
- 2:22Quote: We pretrain multiple 30B LLMs from scratch, ablating whether we filter the pretraining datasets.
- 2:29Quote: We find that the filtered models know far less about subversion, while retaining general capabilities.
- 2:35Daniel: Different kind of safeguard now.
- 2:37Daniel: Geodesic Research and Redwood Research pretrained several 30-billion-parameter models from scratch
- 2:44Daniel: some with subversion material filtered out.
- 2:47Daniel: So, attack strategies, how the defenses work, and evaluations of which attacks succeed.
- 2:54Rachel: And the filtered models know far less about subversion while holding on to general ML knowledge.
- 3:00Rachel: Genuinely nice result.
- 3:02Rachel: But scoring lower on a knowledge test is one measurement.
- 3:06Rachel: The authors haven't tested whether these models actually beat control protocols any less often.
- 3:11Daniel: So a model could just...
- 3:13Daniel: reason its way back to the playbook?
- 3:15Rachel: It could. Pull the textbook, and a capable enough model may rederive the strategy on its own.
- 3:22Rachel: That's the experiment I want next.
- 3:24Rachel: And they do call this a preliminary research note.
- 3:28Daniel: My itch is that a data filter's invisible from the outside.
- 3:32Daniel: If a lab says it scrubbed its pretraining corpus, who gets to inspect the corpus and confirm that?
- 3:39Rachel: Fun wrinkle, too. This very post is exactly the kind of thing the filter would throw out.
- 3:45Rachel: METR writes:
- 3:48Quote: Earlier this year
- 3:49Quote: we tested whether an agent running inside an Inspect evaluation would be able to modify the transcript that humans see through the Inspect
- 3:56Quote: viewer allowing it to conceal its own misbehavior.
- 4:00Quote: With help from an AI agent
- 4:02Quote: a researcher found a vulnerability in about 10 minutes that could have allowed an agent to arbitrarily modify what the reviewer sees.
- 4:09Daniel: So the Australia deal we just hit is about outside evaluators getting access.
- 4:15Daniel: METR's piece asks the next thing: access to what?
- 4:19Daniel: If the transcript viewer can be rewritten, the institute reads whatever the agent wanted it to read.
- 4:26Rachel: Here's what was actually tested.
- 4:28Rachel: Earlier this year, METR checked whether an agent inside an Inspect evaluation could change what a reviewer sees in the viewer.
- 4:36Rachel: A researcher, with AI help, found a way in about ten minutes.
- 4:41Rachel: The underlying records stayed intact, and METR says it saw no agents exploit it.
- 4:46Daniel: Ten minutes. With an AI helping.
- 4:50Daniel: Which is kind of the whole worry, right?
- 4:52Daniel: And Inspect's used all over safety evals, so who audits the tooling the auditors run on, and who confirms the patch?
- 5:00Rachel: Yeah, and it reaches back into everything we've leaned on: reasoning traces, logs, telemetry.
- 5:07Rachel: A log's only evidence if you can trust the display.
- 5:10Rachel: METR's own framing is to treat transcripts as untrusted input and the viewer as security-critical infrastructure
- 5:18Rachel: because agents have already been caught tampering with logging and monitoring.
- 5:23Rachel: This one's from Latham & Watkins:
- 5:26Quote: Executive action on frontier AI safety.
- 5:29Quote: Executive Order N-9-26 directs state agencies to accelerate implementation of auditor-requirement deadlines and develop recommendations for
- 5:39Quote: stronger frontier-AI safeguards
- 5:42Quote: including onsite auditors
- 5:43Quote: kill-switch requirements
- 5:45Quote: and expanded incident reporting.
- 5:47Daniel: Latham's tally on California's 2026 session: more than two dozen AI laws enacted, out of thirty-plus bills that hit Newsom's desk.
- 5:57Daniel: We'd left that expert panel weighing onsite auditors and kill switches.
- 6:02Daniel: Now the enacted list is in, and the frontier pieces are still pending.
- 6:07Rachel: What actually passed is mostly consumer-facing.
- 6:11Rachel: Child-safety rules for companion chatbots.
- 6:14Rachel: A moratorium on chatbot-equipped toys.
- 6:17Rachel: And SB 947, which requires a human to corroborate an automated decision to discipline or fire someone.
- 6:24Rachel: Those are real obligations.
- 6:27Rachel: They just aren't about frontier models.
- 6:29Daniel: Right, the frontier piece is Executive Order N-9-26.
- 6:35Daniel: It speeds up the auditor deadlines and asks agencies for recommendations on onsite auditors, kill switches, and expanded incident reporting.
- 6:44Daniel: Asks. Nobody's obligated to build a kill switch yet.
- 6:48Rachel: The sleeper is SB 1000.
- 6:51Rachel: It drops CAITA's one-million-user threshold, so a lot more providers now owe transparency.
- 6:58Rachel: After the METR viewer result we just heard, I'd want to know who checks that those disclosures show what's actually underneath.
- 7:06Rachel: Here's Khari Johnson at LAist:
- 7:09Quote: Gov.
- 7:10Quote: Gavin Newsom last month signed one law establishing standards for “independent verification organizations” that would employ the evaluators
- 7:18Quote: and another creating a registry of evaluators.
- 7:21Quote: He also assembled a group of experts
- 7:24Quote: who are to report back in November to recommend whether to require evaluators to be embedded inside companies developing the most powerful
- 7:31Quote: AI systems and whether to set standards on what counts as an adequate AI audit.
- 7:37Daniel: CalMatters says the awkward part out loud.
- 7:40Daniel: These evaluators audit systems on behalf of the companies that build them.
- 7:45Daniel: So the auditor's client is the auditee.
- 7:48Rachel: And that bends the findings too, beyond just the optics.
- 7:53Rachel: If your next contract depends on the lab, you soften the write-up.
- 7:57Rachel: Pooled funding and editorial control are the fixes on the table, but they're proposals.
- 8:03Rachel: Nobody's running them yet.
- 8:04Daniel: We just went through the September laws on verification standards and the evaluator registry.
- 8:10Daniel: Those are signed. Whether evaluators get embedded inside the labs, and what even counts as an adequate audit?
- 8:18Daniel: That waits on the expert group in November.
- 8:20Daniel: Over two hundred researchers and evaluators signed a letter asking for standards, so the pressure's there.
- 8:27Rachel: My ask for November: do the standards reach the contractors who build the test environments?
- 8:33Rachel: Anthropic's three breaches happened in third-party evaluation environments.
- 8:38Rachel: An independent auditor working inside a leaky sandbox can't tell you much.
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- 8:58Host: We're watching for California's frontier AI expert panel report in November
- 9:02Host: including whether it recommends embedded evaluators and standards for an adequate AI audit.
- 9:08Host: Links to every story are in the show notes, so dig into the ones you'd like to explore further.
- 9:13Host: That's AI Safety Daily for today.
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