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LETS TALK ABOUT IT W/ SHANETTE W JOHNSON & CORNEL JACKIE DRUMMER 12/23/24 · DA CREW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Two starts in say nine, eight, seven, six, five four up,
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  Speaker 1: three am.
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  Speaker 2: Two.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Hello, how are you guys doing this evening? I
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  Speaker 3: hope you guys had a wonderful weekend, had a blessed Sunday,
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  Speaker 3: and getting ready to enjoy your Christmas with your family
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  Speaker 3: and friends. We're just waiting on Cone Cornell to call us.
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  Speaker 3: But I just want to remind you guys that during
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  Speaker 3: this time, people that have lost loved ones, it's still
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  Speaker 3: kind of hard for them to adjust with their loved
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  Speaker 3: ones being gone. So don't push them into doing anything.
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  Speaker 3: Don't criticize them, Don't tell them that it's it been
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  Speaker 3: so many years or so many.
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  Speaker 4: Months that you should be pasted that. Don't do them
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  Speaker 4: like that.
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  Speaker 3: I had a phone call with a young lady today
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  Speaker 3: that's saying that someone told her she needs to be
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  Speaker 3: over it. Number one, you never get over loss of
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  Speaker 3: a loved one, especially if it's a child. Well, until
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  Speaker 3: we get Cordnell here, we're gonna go ahead and we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna just start the show tonight. I told you guys
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  Speaker 3: last week that I will bring him back, and I
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  Speaker 3: kept my word and he kept his promise.
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  Speaker 4: Let's welcome back. Case. How were you doing this.
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  Speaker 2: Evening, blessed platform be able to tell the story. And
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  Speaker 2: I know it's all like a four going off, but
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  Speaker 2: it was real life. The days happened, they did, And
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm just trying to get help from Time
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  Speaker 2: and the woman to hear my story and to popsy
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  Speaker 2: get me to help my need, you know, to receive
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  Speaker 2: my telop all the time that I was getting on letarity.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so you just you just Is this.
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  Speaker 3: The first time you ever shared your story on a
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  Speaker 3: platform platform?
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  Speaker 4: Or have you shared your story before?
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  Speaker 2: Ah sh And it's gonna remain the same as it
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  Speaker 2: always been. I was denied I was not necessary help
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  Speaker 2: by the course that I was deserved to have you
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  Speaker 2: If you want to get into a week and we
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  Speaker 2: can get smarted in and I'll recap on what I
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  Speaker 2: what I said.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for you.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, we got the second co host is joining us.
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  Speaker 3: Cornell had just.
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  Speaker 5: Came in.
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  Speaker 4: Good evening. Cornell, Hello, ma'am.
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  Speaker 2: How are you doing tonight? Man?
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  Speaker 3: I am doing wonderful. Me and Casey we was getting
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  Speaker 3: ready to start. So you know, I want to go
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  Speaker 3: ahead and let you introduce yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, my name is Cornell drummer. I'm a textas to
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  Speaker 2: thirty four years and I am currently the found of
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  Speaker 2: the Protective Campaign. I am a partner with us Final
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  Speaker 2: Up the magazine, a partner with The Crew podcast, and
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  Speaker 2: I am a host pub Let's talk.
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  Speaker 3: About it, Okay, now you know, we had a discussion
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  Speaker 3: this morning and I also posted the comment on Monday
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  Speaker 3: Motivation with Queen Angela. You guys need to check that
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  Speaker 3: out on Mondays. If you're not listening into Monday Motivation
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  Speaker 3: with Queen Angela, you are missing some good nuggets. You
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  Speaker 3: guys gotta you have to tune in and listen. Well,
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  Speaker 3: this morning, I posted that a lot of people don't
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  Speaker 3: think that color plays a part in the justice system
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  Speaker 3: and doing the the sentencing phase.
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  Speaker 4: But you know me, I always love.
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  Speaker 3: To make sure that I'm giving out right information. I
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  Speaker 3: went on and I did my research, and when I
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  Speaker 3: researched it, it came back saying that just like I
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  Speaker 3: thought it does, race dude plays a part in the
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  Speaker 3: justice system when it's when it's come to sentencing and
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  Speaker 3: jury and and other things. So I don't know who
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  Speaker 3: want to start first, If it's kac or Cordnell, you know, Okay, well, I.
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  Speaker 2: Will, I will go ahead and uh allows the case
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  Speaker 2: to come on first, marm and I go ahead and
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  Speaker 2: tell this story because just sill Man Toronto one. I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and say, so, what's the case.
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  Speaker 4: How are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing good Cornell and uh, okay, sir, we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: start it out. Oh, I will have your funds, So
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  Speaker 2: I said, you know, fifteen years ago, looking at twenty nine,
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, I would say for San Antonio
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  Speaker 2: and then left court. I get a phone call from
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  Speaker 2: a guy who was happening relationship with my wife. The
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  Speaker 2: guy need I was what was really happened. I had
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  Speaker 2: sugar that was put inside of my truck. Somebody had
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  Speaker 2: played ship in my truck. Wanted to find out this
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  Speaker 2: guy had did it. He was massed to my wife
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  Speaker 2: doesn't need me to be with him, and he called
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  Speaker 2: me my job in front of me, dressed me about
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  Speaker 2: my wife, that she's gonna always be with him, that
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  Speaker 2: she's his and there's nothing I can do it about.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, to get into an argument, I get mad.
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  Speaker 2: I had to do it. I had to get me
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  Speaker 2: someone because an argument about this guy that she was
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  Speaker 2: seeking with putting sugar in my truck. So when I
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  Speaker 2: get home getting him, get into an argument. My stepdaughter
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  Speaker 2: calls her brother. Her brother comes over till I come
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  Speaker 2: over to my house with two of his friends, my
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  Speaker 2: stepson and his friends. The Christ gave me. Then in
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  Speaker 2: the game, my son of his friends had guns on.
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  Speaker 2: I ended up having to shoot my step farm who
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  Speaker 2: threatened me. He threaded to kill me. I shot him
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  Speaker 2: in front of my nail. Pause why he was pointing
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  Speaker 2: white people put a nine million miss gun at me
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  Speaker 2: dress that killed me, threatened to shoot me. When April
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  Speaker 2: waitness he heard it because the kind of of trial
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  Speaker 2: that he heard. His friend ran to fi my garage
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  Speaker 2: up in my driveway and he was raised in his
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  Speaker 2: hand like he's getting ready to shoot me. I couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't shot killed me, but I didn't do it.
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  Speaker 2: I shot him in the hands. I shot my step
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  Speaker 2: farm in the hands doing his listidance. He shoot me
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  Speaker 2: so much? Then, why I said, I just signed even
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  Speaker 2: so that I couldn't deal with what had happened, what
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  Speaker 2: I had done. But while I'm at my house concentrating
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  Speaker 2: the suicide by the police officer, everybody calling my my
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  Speaker 2: mother in law, called telling me that the the police
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  Speaker 2: need to kill me, that they need to shoot and
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  Speaker 2: kill me. I said, yeah, people don't do that. I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna make sure they do that. This is what what
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  Speaker 2: brought me to do this little by Then her cousins
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  Speaker 2: called them, telling me that the reason why they didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to be in my waiting because the sheet know me,
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  Speaker 2: she's always been cheating on h. This is not I
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  Speaker 2: feel like a good thing to be telling somebody who
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  Speaker 2: just this traumatic thing to doing. So now I'm getting
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  Speaker 2: for my marriage is like a lot. I'm looking at that.
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  Speaker 2: Everything that was going on in my life was I
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  Speaker 2: shocked my binion because I feel like that the same
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  Speaker 2: river that I had in my bisiod had been changed.
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  Speaker 2: That it was nothing. I felt dirty, so I thought
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  Speaker 2: it popping bottles. I had some POSI I would leave
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  Speaker 2: a bottle popped. I drank half of it. I popped
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  Speaker 2: the feeling her bottles popped, that half of us drank
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  Speaker 2: that I got a whose court bow. I popped that bottle.
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  Speaker 2: Was wanted to drinking that. I took some Papa. Then
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  Speaker 2: it was in my mom my wife vic and then
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  Speaker 2: I throw a foll in my mouth and I see
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  Speaker 2: the police sometimes and I tried to tie to the
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  Speaker 2: kit the thing on my mind that I just wanted
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  Speaker 2: to jove and every in my life and my man
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  Speaker 2: and everything that was going on in my life. Look,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna kids myself. I wanted the police to do
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  Speaker 2: it because I was powered. I was too much to
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  Speaker 2: tower to do it. So I'm talking to a negotiating
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  Speaker 2: during the time of the offense, everything that was going on, negotiating,
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  Speaker 2: he talked me out of and to be able to
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  Speaker 2: turn my tailf he in turned myself in. Come to
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  Speaker 2: find out that I shooting off my window because I
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  Speaker 2: shout out. I shout out my window trying to type
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  Speaker 2: police to shoot me. There was the police if they
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  Speaker 2: was picked across the street. They were sitting in the bush.
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  Speaker 2: The podiander pushed everyone doing oh that's this. It was
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  Speaker 2: a compete degrading bush. And the man was the police
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  Speaker 2: office that was hotting there with a car carpetting rifle
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  Speaker 2: with a nighttime visions scope on it, trying to get
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  Speaker 2: a clear shot in it. But I had no idea
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  Speaker 2: he was in this this bush. He got hit with
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  Speaker 2: the peans of the shotgun I had in two spots
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  Speaker 2: in the sin he said, he pulled them out because
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  Speaker 2: they doesn't go it. I didn't know how to hit
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  Speaker 2: him until after I was driving, after the police was
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  Speaker 2: taking me in for questioning, they told me that I
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  Speaker 2: shot a police officer. I didn't I and that they
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  Speaker 2: said he was all right, that he wasn't hurt. Seriously,
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  Speaker 2: they tell me why myself done? They tell me about
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  Speaker 2: his best friend, and they told me to say shot
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  Speaker 2: but they was okay. But still my mind, my mind,
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  Speaker 2: I was hearing things, but I really wasn't comfortingending the
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  Speaker 2: tool aspect of it. I just wasn't there and continue
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  Speaker 2: that they was supposed to have been doing is putting
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  Speaker 2: me up the sacrifice. Psychological evaluation too, Why was I
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  Speaker 2: trying to do suicide by cop? Nobody casts me about that.
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  Speaker 2: I was never evacuated for my mental state as a
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  Speaker 2: particular time of what was going on. So I'm I'm
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  Speaker 2: going through the proceedings now of the course.
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  Speaker 4: Can I.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry to interrupt, but I just want to jump
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  Speaker 3: in right quick. And then you said something about your
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  Speaker 3: mental and that's what I was about to.
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  Speaker 4: Ask you about your your mental health.
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  Speaker 3: By all of that, what everybody was saying to you
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  Speaker 3: your mother in law saying that you should just go
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  Speaker 3: ahead and let the police kill you and your family
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  Speaker 3: are members calling saying that letting you know the reason
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  Speaker 3: why they wasn't in your wedding.
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  Speaker 4: Because she had child on you. Her cousins.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, her cousins called you, So would yours?
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  Speaker 4: So would you say that right there?
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  Speaker 3: You just had a milk down or you just went
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  Speaker 3: you just lost your mind at that moment, not finding
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  Speaker 3: out what you know at that stage, I had to
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  Speaker 3: shoot my.
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  Speaker 2: Stepm so and I'm so. It's different from someone that
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  Speaker 2: you feel that you were in the threat or that
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  Speaker 2: your life is endangered with like I looked at the
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  Speaker 2: situation is being dangerous. But at the same time I've
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  Speaker 2: had I had a gun training my differences and ex military.
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  Speaker 2: They take me to the gun rings, taught me how
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  Speaker 2: to use weapons. They gave me the protocol or shooting
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  Speaker 2: the building if I have to shoot someone. Because anybody
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  Speaker 2: is been through training and gum training. The you shoot,
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  Speaker 2: shoot killed. They gonna teach you to shoot the room.
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  Speaker 2: They tell you to shoot and kill. When you're taking
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  Speaker 2: any kind of gump training, there is no shoot the
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  Speaker 2: person in the leg or shooting them in the arm
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  Speaker 2: and anything like that. But I felt like that I
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  Speaker 2: was so good that I can neutralize the situation from
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  Speaker 2: getting any serious. So I know from from the standpoint
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  Speaker 2: I looked at my stef front of friends, more dangerous
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  Speaker 2: than them because he was in college. He was taking
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  Speaker 2: with people from his plans who they you know, they
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  Speaker 2: adopted him game like he wasn't know who the remember
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  Speaker 2: and just thing like you know, like being jumped into
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  Speaker 2: it against thee the property through the game procedures how
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  Speaker 2: they do. He was, okay, you cool. See people go
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  Speaker 2: pay you down with us that ain't high and goat
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  Speaker 2: and and everyone just listening to continue that ain't the game?
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  Speaker 2: Like that vote you got the titles whatever whatever you
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  Speaker 2: affiliated with, I.
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  Speaker 4: Think Cornell, I want to ask you a question.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So at the time of the incident, right
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  Speaker 2: priortidents that do you have you had any undermental issues
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  Speaker 2: related to your mental consciously as far as you know
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  Speaker 2: to make a determination whether or not you are competent
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  Speaker 2: or at the time of these proceedings that you know
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  Speaker 2: caused you the committed of the incident to what you called,
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  Speaker 2: have you had any far incidents prior to this incident?
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  Speaker 2: That anybody can say, well, hey, you are something's wrong
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  Speaker 2: with you, or you mentioned any competent or you know
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  Speaker 2: you have psychological evaluation problem? Has that in any other
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  Speaker 2: incident other than that? When I was nineteen years old,
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking a girl her mother made killed our baby.
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  Speaker 2: She be going to military playing and almost to marry
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  Speaker 2: this girl and her mother made her get an abortion.
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  Speaker 2: They called me to come to a house and tell
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  Speaker 2: on me. The mother tell me I'm not gready to
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  Speaker 2: be no grandmother, and she's not and my daughter's not
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  Speaker 2: ready to be no more. I made her get rid
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  Speaker 2: of it. So when she said I get rid of it,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it did something to me. And
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  Speaker 2: nineteen years old not understanding of this emotions and bolts
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  Speaker 2: that I just lost the child and I didn't know
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  Speaker 2: how to affect the emotions. And I tried to deal
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  Speaker 2: with my mother. I didn't want to deal with her.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't want to deal with thinking about it. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So what did you say that he is a a
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  Speaker 2: rep of that type of an incrument that anytime you
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  Speaker 2: get in a situation and I turn up that guy
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  Speaker 2: came a gun. So you know you was there to
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  Speaker 2: defend yourself. So that would because of the fun of
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  Speaker 2: her self defense case. But after that incident to where
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  Speaker 2: after you shot these individual, you were saying that you
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  Speaker 2: was ready to go out by suicide rockco. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: in the question that did you have any other alternatives
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  Speaker 2: other than trying to go ahead and to have them
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  Speaker 2: Do you see, like she said, did you just felt
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  Speaker 2: like a meltdown from that or what?
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  Speaker 5: Mentally?
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  Speaker 2: I was not there.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, because you can't hate they had left the building,
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  Speaker 6: any any kind of emotional attachment, feeling anything.
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  Speaker 2: It was good. Ah, my marriage, I felt like it
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  Speaker 2: was I felt like that it was real. Oh, I
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  Speaker 2: love it. I love this woman, and I loved her kids.
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  Speaker 2: And and to have to a hurt a sun that
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  Speaker 2: destroyed me inside and I didn't know how to I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know how that happened to me. I felt like
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  Speaker 2: that I was afraiding to my family. I felt like that,
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  Speaker 2: h I felt so. I felt like it was better
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  Speaker 2: be dead than coming back to prison. You know, I've
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  Speaker 2: been to the person before twenty four years ago. I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't planning on making no trip back to no person.
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  Speaker 2: I thought I had my life together. I had three
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  Speaker 2: cook jobs and what I mean, I'm a I'm a
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  Speaker 2: black male who had a criminal record. But I thought
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  Speaker 2: I had redeemed my reputation. I thought I had. I
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  Speaker 2: thought I had got all that stuff behind me, and
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  Speaker 2: I moving toward her in a prosaitive way. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: I was looking like I was damaged. I was damaged
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  Speaker 2: in side and I and there was no coming back,
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  Speaker 2: you know, And he's dead than to go through this
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  Speaker 2: type of stuff that I'm falling through right now? You know,
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  Speaker 2: this is this isn't in and there's warehouse looking like that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm some kind of growth natural products and I'm some
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  Speaker 2: kind of I mean just invisted to make other people
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  Speaker 2: money up that you want fifty This is this is
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  Speaker 2: not being treated like an animal less than animal. Anomi,
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  Speaker 2: get to me that I'm getting Get the idiots getting
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  Speaker 2: treated Okay, Well, how would you take society? How would
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  Speaker 2: you take society looking at you, uh and shot two
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  Speaker 2: people and shooting a gun at police officers or stuff
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  Speaker 2: like that. Would you think the society would classify you
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  Speaker 2: as a minister society as a person with anger management
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  Speaker 2: problems or something like that, but totally disregard for the
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  Speaker 2: safety of other people. You wouldn't take it like that?
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  Speaker 2: How would you take it? So I couldn't take it
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  Speaker 2: like that. I was putting in the credit situation, well
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  Speaker 2: that I had an individual pull a gun on me
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  Speaker 2: and telling me that he was gonna kill me. Don't
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  Speaker 2: shoot one of my students. I got found up for
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  Speaker 2: the trem I got found to shoot the tree because
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  Speaker 2: I shot him, and I watched the point because he
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  Speaker 2: well he got shot the first time. He ran the
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  Speaker 2: head behind a car and that like, he's finish, shoot
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  Speaker 2: me again. So in my mind, I'm looking at him.
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  Speaker 2: He's in the shooting stand. She's getting ready to shoot me.
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  Speaker 2: So he he kiels me from behind the shot finish,
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  Speaker 2: geting ready to shoot me, and I had to shoot
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  Speaker 2: him again. I wasn't taking I'm holding up on the
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  Speaker 2: street San Antonio. There's no way that I'm gonna let
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  Speaker 2: somebody get in a position to where they were gonna
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  Speaker 2: kill me after they just threatened threaten to kill me.
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  Speaker 2: So I had to. You know, of course, don't look
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  Speaker 2: at it like that. Called him, you know it was
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  Speaker 2: the closer. Tell him that whole thing was that it
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  Speaker 2: was was up a part, wasn't it was faith?
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  Speaker 3: Why would you call it a court Why why are
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  Speaker 3: you calling the court system faith?
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  Speaker 4: Why give me some.
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  Speaker 6: Will so so so this is this is the point
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  Speaker 6: of the case. He got a procedures that they're supposed
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  Speaker 6: to be doing. I asked for an attorney, so they
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  Speaker 6: take in the court women an attorney to get attorney.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. One of the.
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  Speaker 6: Lawyers that got a pointed to my case, jave, this
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  Speaker 6: is okay. I got a party of the attorney. His
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  Speaker 6: name was Albert Muierris Junior. I'll be Junion James to
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  Speaker 6: busits me. He gave me a contract to sign with him.
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  Speaker 6: In this contract, it's a stated for me. He said,
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  Speaker 6: don't talk to anyone.
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  Speaker 2: Don't don't talk about this case to anyone. So okay.
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  Speaker 2: He told me that he can give me twenty five
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  Speaker 2: years if I decided he walking out of it. So
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  Speaker 2: he said, I'm also real to get you psychological evaluated
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: from stuff that I told you, the things that I
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: repeated to y'all. That's what I told him about what happened.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: He told me he's gonna get me a psychologically evaluated. Okay.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: After he came to see me talking about two three
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: weeks later and this other attorney came to see me.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: His name was Charles J. Bump. Charles J. Bump told
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: me I told him I got a lawyer. He said,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: that other lawyer. You're not gonna see him again. I'm
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollar the lord you're getting tree that
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: the lawyer you can't do for you what I can
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: do for you. With two proxecutivesis prosecuting your case. I
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: talk to their job. It does this.
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: It's prosecuting you that you see. He says, she's a
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: personal friend, a personal friend of mine. Nobody can do
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: for you what I can do for you to that.
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: So I'm thinking that this is this is topical season.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: It's not.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: He violated. He bobated because the boys. So she's about
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: talking to another person's client, what their permission. He's not
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: supposed to do that, and started to call it. They
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: didn't take me before the court to tell me and
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: to follow motion. They' supposed to follow motions for withdrawal
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: and the emotional withdraw Then they.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: Asked for emotional substitution, so touching a council. None of
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: these procedures were sold and none of these decsions were done.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: They got to ask me do I consent or do
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I check? They shouldn't do that at quote the criminal
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: precision twenty six point zer row four. That's the the
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: simon and and and and the simon and relations of
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the lawyers.
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: It's also uh call the civil procedures rule ten. That's
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: a polination of the withdrawal.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: That's another and that they didn't do. They didn't follow
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: their rules and procedures of the court. They swished. This
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: lawyer gave me this lawyer, this lawyers was set up.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I didn't know who he was until my sais in
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: here and he walked his blazer or the most to
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: go into the court to get of a public defense,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: a paring from the public defense the program. And he
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: had gave the DA that was prosecuting my case. He
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: gave them the fighting on how to fight them fight
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: the case. And he could even invice on if they
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: should start my tenising with my pleap argument uh at
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: for a year. But this is the same man that
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: the court rooms represented me. He hired an investigator. The
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: investigator did not do investigations. I asked him questions, who
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: he talked to, who he address? He couldn't help me
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: looking for we hadn't had a following out m That's
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: one thing I asked him about. He comes and he
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: goes into the states fire to prosecute the start off.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: They're evident their witnesses. He did not give me, not
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: one witness to.
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: Tell the power of my trial, and that a trial
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: that I had, He did not do none of those things.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Just couldn't show me nothing that he had had personally
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: done on his own. When it comes to talking about
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: the suicide backtop, yes it was the issue on my trial,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: but this man never had me psychologically evaluated at a
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: one point of time during the during the time that
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I want to court.
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: That's the issue is my mistake of time and my
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: middal state mind was the.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Issue in my trials. Sure doing the chiefs of the trial,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: they wanted to look at information from the witness which
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: was one one of my steps on Trains who was shot.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: He's been in trouble. He was no propation in that
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: courtroom for trying to take the gun from a police
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: officer doing a hospitation. He was fighting with police, so
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: he was already on propation at the same courtroom that
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I'm in trial with. They had they used him as
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: a witness me, but I could not say nothing ever
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: being in trouble or him being in the game. But
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: they probably motion because literally need the motion. It prepicts me. Well,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I couldn't say nothing about that. They put a bag
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: in my trial so nobody from the public could be
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: in there, nobody from the news media, because I had
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: a high profile taste. They they they wouldn't let the
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: public be a part of my tribe. And that's another
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: thing that thing was doing. They was hiding things that
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the public could not see. They enhanced me. They enhanced
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: me for as a probitual offenders. That means that I
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: had been in trouble two times prior when I was younger.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: They used those trust they used those things I've been
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: in my prime is in order to enhance me to
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: be there until twenty five in life. However, one of
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: the truss that they used so they enhanced me in
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: allegations they couldn't use because I never I never went
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I never got convicted on that trial. Just thing the
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: US was indicted or indicted on the issues made a thought.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: So I got time for made up to.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: For you know, you know, Casey, some of the things
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: that you I was just speaking on I heard that
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: from other men's you know them when they gone to
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: the courts they have charges that they're not able to
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: defend against or you know, the judge would say, well
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: they just.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Because it was mentioned that they let us stay. How
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: can you.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Convict somebody if you don't allow them the chance to defend,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: defend against the the crime whatever you're accusing them of.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: How can that? How can that be?
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I'm a call I'm okay, okay for now, yes ma'am?
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: How can that be?
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Okay? Okay? Now, I mean you have okay. They have
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: made a short cut away on how to get convictions
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: against individuous right, Okay, here's the study. In twenty twenty one,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the Duke Law General published a study Bob Starlars Needo
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Al Japan and mister J. Jenum title pay the place
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: the specic from pound data from over two hundred and
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: sixty thousand sellermy cases from January two thousand and through
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: May of twenty eighteen in Hwherson County, Texas. Where As
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: this where asked Houston, okay, and that just get to
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: the assignment of council schemes as supposed to be a
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: wheel system This is where provert attorneys acting as independent
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: contractors and compensated with public times are individually appointed. It
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: using a system of rotation to privately of resentation to
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: an and an independent. However, whereas the initial location is
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: the loss, it surely wasn't written in stone because the
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: study found that the Harris County Judge who have to
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: be elected to the court turning auction block or wart
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: the lawyers independent contractors who contributed bonds to their campaign
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: more than twice the amount of cases they are assigned
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: to non donors doors, generating over twenty seven times the
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: amount they donate to the so called judge campaign. Hence,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: the donors are overwhelmed with a large case loads and
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: can only underperformed since they're paying. Because of the day
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: case on the case, they are incouraged and how conny
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: units being recorded.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Any subject toger to accept this.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Lawyer to case this basic upon the campaign to lack
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: in cases case. It's beloying them did not have the
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: will it was not a science symestications case. According to
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: the wheel, the judge put them on the case in
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: order to pay the attorney. There would the amount of
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: money to help them get his convictions, not to help
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: them defend his convictions. So this is why our system
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: is so broken, because they have found a shortcut of
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: how to get convictions. African Americans are being claimed between
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: all white jury behind this type of a system where
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: churches are allowing the district attorney and the attorney to
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: exclude all African Americans from the jury cattle, how to
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: allow any digital African Americans to be placed between all
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: white jury tribes to get a conviction with falsified evidence
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: or perject testimony and all of this. So with a
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: system like this, ain't nobody paying attention to how they're
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: getting the convictions. All they care about is we the
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: jury find that decline to give this charge and indagment.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Once that happen from now now have to burn the
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: ship to the defense to have to pull an and
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: what a book system like would have today now almost
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: nearly impossible to pull that. You are to a wok
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: cooking justice.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, Cortnell, I'm sorry to interrupt you. I
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: just wanted to.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: To know.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: If they say that you have the your the jury's
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: is a jury of your peers, because you said that
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: the courts that that the the jury was an all
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: white jury, and statistics shows once again it's just not
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: what we're saying. Statistics shows that African American men's do
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: not have a jury of their pills of their peers, Okay,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: don't as in, you know, in one's case, he had
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: six white whites, five Hispanics, and one one mix, one
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: person that had black and the shoes. That's what he
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: told me, and that's what I you know, this system
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: was not designed for us. It's not designed for the
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: people of color. It's not designed for the our brown
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: brothers and sisters is it's just designed for one person.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Because what I'm hearing with Casey and what I hear
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: from the other man's you know, is basically the same thing.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Everybody is.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Is in the same thing in the you know, they
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: say the same thing. Casey, I believe this question is
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: for you.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: What evidence was used against.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: You in your trial and why do you believe it
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: was miss missing, misinterpreted, or incorrect?
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: Casey?
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Uh. First, one of the main issues that was used
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: against me was my pa. It was like I was
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: going to trial for something I did for the stage. Yeah,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: it was that I've done something in my stage. It
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: wasn't it wasn't something dead the trial that I was
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: a right now, they told me this is this is
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: told me they was acting freely. But they acted freely
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: because of my attorney, my treat out in their talk
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: from what they what when when I was getting from them,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: they said had if I hadn't never been convicted of
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: anything in my prime. So during the time that I
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: was fenicized, when I was trying for attorney, the das
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: that was in there telling the two prosecutes to move
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: to females. That couldn't you I'm listening.
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: To everything going on, they pumped me into that clip.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Room after hours when the cupbom is supposed to be closed.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I went there about thirty in the evening, got into
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: the courtroom at six, didn't leave to eight person. I'm
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the only person in there with all these.
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: White DA's and the white kids, and so.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: They up their attorney pull Later it was a time
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: to me everything that they against me. Actually it was
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: imputated from my parents. My parents got me that time.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: So you would even to talk what I what I'm done?
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: So you saying that they use your past to convict
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: you on in this case, they didn't have no evidence
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: to gives you because I heard that you said that.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: You was a self defense.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: It was self defense.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: It was self defense started off or not what I'm
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: self responsibility trump and I'm atomical for that. And then
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: stay right up. I didn't want to know what get hurt,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: you know, and you know and and and it's really
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: it gets people. My son, I'm I'm gonna be honest
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: with that. Be at my house. You ask the gang
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: member and if anyone else is gonna come to gun
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: on me in my house, I'm gonna shoo killed him.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Terms of his mama in dispartment. They're a friend of
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: mine at the college. His mother was believe take on
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: to college and and told me a black college, you know.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: And because I'm partitioned with this and and I'm going
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: to start talking to him on occasions and we talk
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: to him. I'm to tuital. That's the only reason I
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: didn't because he wanted to a future. I didn't want
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: to kill this he you know, Tace, what I had
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: to hear myself and.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: My house and you know, anyone in your position would
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: have defended their self and they would have seen it
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: as it was either my my life were there life
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: self defense, you know, and so you know, I understand
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: what you're saying with that that you did you taking responsibility?
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: What happened to your action towards the officer?
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Uh think about this to the child said that he
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: didn't cast witness traum my behalf. He didn't expert witness
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: to call my behave about mid state. The family just
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: fot off the whole shot. I mean the expert witness
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: own politics. I need. I want to tell about the
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: NY shot the fire, how troub was it because they
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: could do a shot at on the shotgun and tell
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I would the d days my step son and his
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: friend to lie. They said that they was a street
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: feet away. They three features for me out of shot.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: They were entire party because you know, the tenant of
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: the gun would have bull fight within the case. It
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: was a nice sparrel and shot his hands, both of
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: any hands. Because I know what I was a before.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I was just wanted to make sure that that gun
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: looking be shot or they were friends to shoot me
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: through it that way. And I've been practicing shooting guns
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: for looks up as I was a kid. My neighbors
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: taught me how to shoot because he's brought the governing.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: So it's not something that I haven't been doing. I hunt,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I pinched, I threw all these things, you know. But
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: it's the same time and that the seed to take
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: in that child and it all the constitutional rights and
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: my right to that crystal what to do what they
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: did because time lady, she had appearance on the back
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: time and of the jury toward the deliberation. He gives
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: sentimental choice to discribe them too, that they want to
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: look at trump my step. They wanted to see this again.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: She was the thing to play the back kind everything
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: trying to un they need to look for. They never
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: looked the final I wanted to try.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: The negotiator, h Cornell, have a question for you? Go
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: ahead for them, go ahead because.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: People okay, And outside of that, little did you know
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: after the shoot you were domed? Why because you were
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: forced to go to a rigid criminal justice system, you know.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: So with that being said, you doing what you had
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: to do to defend yourself from now. Outside of that,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: the little did you know when you got to the
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: criminal justice system, you didn't know that your lawyer was
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: going to be a former assistant district attorney and that
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: the geners who are signing him to represent you were
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: paying him the amount of the money to offit your conviction.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Now watch this.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: The same individuals who he relied on became the Santonio
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: City's attorney, the d Day, the Justice of the Court
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: of Appeals, the tenails, and the district attorney again, so
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: the d re became another district attorney after being an
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: assistant district attorney. This individual she consulted from the Bay
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: County Courthouse where he was convicted at. So they did
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: not want after became America un sery pounder. And it
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: was already stated it that African Americans were not allowed
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: on the jity pounds. My name is Cornell Jackie Throwing,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: and you can google an under name. I had two
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: all white Jerry trials in San Antonio there County court House.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I too would reredented by a court the court an
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: attorney did reach or the one day junior he was
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: an assistant DA in the same court front. The little
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: that I know, so you was good after the shots
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: for five and now here is trying to challenge your
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: conviction to try to help that would turn your condition
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: is going to be appeal Bible battle. Wow, because the
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: traditional system that is killed the help you fail. That's
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: the system right now we're dealing with. So you know,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: like I said, but what ain't it you know?
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Can you use because I know me and Casey was
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: talking earlier and he was telling me about a case
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: that's similar to his case. Can he go into port
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: and present that case? Dissimilarities of that case.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: He find for many but my sty in the met
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: forty time in the tank that I just did. The
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: white guy, Uh he shot a police officers in the
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: chest the look and he shot his best friend behind
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: his girlfriend and uh tack guy Carol lot in his
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: in his in his talk. But allowed this guy to
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: keep offos nineteen years. He don't have to do nine
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: So more than like he is, he's a small you
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: know because me you about for forty years for people.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: So why not just talk to go to job and
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: take my head and while I'm in taking my tanks
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: after say, the device of individuals in football. You don't
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: know the rules, regulations and policies and commines and look,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: you don't know that they can't do. We don't know
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: these things. You know. We started in the law in
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: the CP like from d All that Cippo satact like
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: that career they keep, they will keep. There's no ethics
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: in in particular Tom. You know, so I look at
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: this even with the appeal lawyer, I have one lawyers
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: quite sea being, so they give me another lawyer. They
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: made want of look aleven days appeal to sight my
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: case while almost start forty five in the case is
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: that she's working on she got to look for days.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: She ain't look at my pace and.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Me so basically that you saying your public offender was
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: over work, that she had twenty five more cases than
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: they gavery eleven days to look overlook over overlook your case.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Tell she told me after she knew to break my case,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: she said, in my opinion, they have a confission. Anything
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: that you put up this is the purpose I just
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: basically just need. I'm gonna put up on this because
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: this is what what I got out of that I
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: just need to keep up to just through the time
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: you take my case put it on my level seven
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: trying to this and to the council. Want them to
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: answer that by up staying upstated it's true upstanding this
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  Speaker 2: one of them because by not having cycle not have
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  Speaker 2: me psychological you waited They told him they to lead
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  Speaker 2: you to explain it. They just to us and he
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  Speaker 2: brought to his playing Why you can have me psychological evaluate?
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: He said, in my opinion, I didn't seem needed to
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  Speaker 2: be psychological anyway. You're not. You're not You're not a psychiatrist.
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: You're not a.
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  Speaker 2: Qualified psychiatrists to be able to entire you hit me
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  Speaker 2: until you feel the thing. Stop your expertise. You exploited.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: You're ashamed to be a really bigger your agent and
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  Speaker 2: to ask any kind of patient about my metal.
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  Speaker 6: You can't play with my mental health is because you're
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  Speaker 6: not a psychiatrist.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Let me.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Let me, let me, let me jump in right quick.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: So are you telling us that you went through a
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: whole trial with out being evaluated, having your mental evaluated.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: They did not evaluate you.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't evaluate me. And then when I come
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: to prison, I'm still dealing with the residuals of that incident.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I was still having real purring, not using the dreams.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I was still I wasn't really right. I didn't get
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: my mental state capability at least normal until about that
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  Speaker 2: was I went to prison and December twenty ten, when
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: I got that they're evaluated it.
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: We did the problem.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Because I have a crime picture. I was still to
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: have emotional breakdown. And then round January, not between January
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: and June or twenty fifteen, I was able to stop
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: back through mental health treatment and assistance uh by a
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  Speaker 2: woman that was on the mark up beside me Jesus
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  Speaker 2: and my mental health UH counselor and my and ands
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  Speaker 2: with April more and and I give everything to her
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: because she helped me. She became my palp for mental
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: state and helped me shoot back from that head because
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I was messed up for a while. I was really
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: you know, I was really out of there, you know, phychologically,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: I wasn't there my mind, I was, I stopped waking
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: up and sweat and and and and fear, and somebody
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: was standing over measide had all different kinds of versions
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  Speaker 2: of the event in my head. In my mind it
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: was it was really hard for me to get over
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: there issue for a minute. But through her uh cool teen,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: through her her care and she was giving me and
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  Speaker 2: she was she was a black woman, And I haven't
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  Speaker 2: had anyone to kill. Go through the help to talk
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  Speaker 2: things out, to see to keep my keep my keep
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  Speaker 2: my keep my middle capability at the edge where I
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: feel like that I'm saving you know, because if now
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  Speaker 2: and then you need to talk to somebody about it.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: It's too many deaths going on around me and just well,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: too much stuff happening in life, and anything could be
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: a trick. You gotta know your treatments in order to
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: be able to know where you need to focus help.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: And I know what I need when I'm having your question.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: But if you brother us listening to this podcast tonight,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: what would you want from them to take from your story?
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: And impossible? How would they be able to help you
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: in this situation to get some type of help that
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: you need in order to get your case reviews back
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: into the court system. If I was gonna contact and
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: attorney that that my case and disappeared on me, I
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: want to help you because what happened? How how did
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: you disappear for me? His nighme is Albert M. Cotierrus Junior.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: What happened? How did you leave my case? You told
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: me just to get me twenty five years You told
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: me not to talk anyone. How did you need my case?
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: And how did this on become my lawyer? You know,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I know them the answers that I need fulfilled. Because
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: if you tell me that he can get me a
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: twenty five years and you should write a statement that
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: he told me that I can give my case back
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: in the court room, and that's one of the moss
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: that it is that still play. He's still showing it
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: my attorney because he never bothered with you want to
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: get off my cape. Okay. So with that being paigntic cases,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: you know they are proceedures for which they have to
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: go through with situations like that under the empty the
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: defense fun they have a place called the Endergant Defense
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: fun And if an attorney is a sign in your
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  Speaker 2: place was not supposed to your attorney, they're supposed to
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: conduct an investigation into that. Why because you have state
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: agencies who are paying out money with the taxpayers money
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: to attorneys to help the attorneys to represent people. So
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: if you're saying that your attorney was not assigned to
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: you with a client without being a part of the
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: wheel of the five attorneys on your case, and that
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: the judge who assigned him to be representing you was
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: not actually followed on the protocols, don't you think that
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: it would be necessary to see some type of coming
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: on investigation and took that process. Well, the kill a
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  Speaker 2: box light association. And what they tell me your law
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  Speaker 2: this issue is they can't do nothing about it because
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: they have an exploration and time on it and uh
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  Speaker 2: depreciates they can do on any matter. So yeah, they're
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  Speaker 2: not trying to help nobody.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I hear a lot of that that A
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  Speaker 3: lot of a lot of men get time board that
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: you know, they say once they go through the appeals,
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: they keep giving the states back the law. They're giving
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  Speaker 3: them back their own law, and they keep getting denied.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: And then by time they keep founding all these appeals
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: trying to get back in court, trying to trying to
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: prove their innocence. Now they time board, time done ran out.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: Now they just now that's it. So I mean when
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: time when they get time board, what I mean, cortnel
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  Speaker 3: what what what?
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  Speaker 4: Then?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, man, you know that's a good question to be raising. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: now here it is, ma'am. Here is where it started
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  Speaker 2: at appointed executive branch of government. The lists of repleat
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  Speaker 2: with the lawyers Joe Biden, just Da and the attorneys
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  Speaker 2: domer come Oud of Harris, but Rocking Michelle Obama, George Bush,
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  Speaker 2: Bill Henry Clinton, and the Kennedy These individuals were attorneys
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  Speaker 2: from the beginning. Then on the law scale, you've got
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Texas Governor Greg Avitt. Then you got the previous attorney,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: which is with Parry. Now if you've got these attorney
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: generals now running for lawyers and coming from the attorneys
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So now our system has came
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: up with a process on how to limit you from
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: being able to challenge your commitions. We have not what
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: we call anti terror was a last if you don't
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: find something within one year after discovering this information, the
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: new time las. We have something called the subsequent weird
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  Speaker 2: application laws. If you find one application, you have to
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: find everything that you can locate in that case to
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: say that it was a violation of your constitutional life.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: So now just mind yourself. It'll take you mainly two
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: three years just to even get your records. Sometime it
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: takes you ten years just to get your records. So
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: by the time you get your records, man, you have
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: already been time board. So now when you challenge your conviction,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: if you discover something after you challenge your conviction, man,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: the court say that they do not have jurisdiction to
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: consider that. Why because you could have brought yourself on
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: your first issue. So now as of you know what
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: you just ask, ma'am, they saying that we're a time
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: board from being able to raise anything else within our
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: conviction because we should have raised it first time. So
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: that's a way if they.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Give if they not giving you the proper representation, if
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: these people are not working for you, they're over work
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: and they only got giving them ten or eleven days
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: to look at a case. You know, I mean, make
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: it make sense. You know, I just seen on the
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: the the Missouri governor just Asnerate just released the first
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  Speaker 3: white cop that hung a black black man.
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: He's out.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: And this is the same.
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  Speaker 3: Governor, the same governor in August that wouldn't stop the
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: execution of Marcellus Williams, the black man that was wrongfully conviction.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: But you're gonna put an innocent man to death, but
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: you're gonna let this person out that hung a black man.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Make you know what, I'm gonna let you guys finish
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: because you know my blood pressure is raising. Go ahead, casey.
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  Speaker 2: This issue here. It's the same as Lady of Charney home,
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  Speaker 2: they'll signed to me the vistorio so you can remember
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  Speaker 2: she's represented me. So she called this wrist what I
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  Speaker 2: called affect the council for her, and she said she
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  Speaker 2: has to answer why that she try to infect the council.
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  Speaker 2: She wants to go find this lady. She will not answer,
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  Speaker 2: and they took six months to find her to bring
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  Speaker 2: into the court. They finally brought the question her if
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  Speaker 2: for good, I want to pay to commit my records.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: I want to be able to question her. Understand, if
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: you want to sign me on to me, I have
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: to fight to question her if you have to hear it.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: So I fought the necessarily text work and be able
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  Speaker 2: to do it. He denied me without the den be
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  Speaker 2: from being able to do it. But they didn't tell
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  Speaker 2: me they had this hearing. After answer to my rid
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  Speaker 2: he denied. But this lady said, when I was reading
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  Speaker 2: her answers, why they question her? They asked her, why
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  Speaker 2: did you file in effected system council or his attorney?
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  Speaker 2: She said the reason why she had pome affected system
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  Speaker 2: counsels because in her experience that justice is down on
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  Speaker 2: other attorneys who filing effected sistant counsels are the lawyers.
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  Speaker 2: She did not do it, just didn't do the job,
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  Speaker 2: did you? You you say about this defense to represent me?
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: So you didn't do your job because you had fear
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: of what the childes and other than your parents to
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: think about you because you follow us against another lorgon
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: if you'll do your job to represent me and the
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  Speaker 2: questions of the laws. Did I'm supposed to have an
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  Speaker 2: effected system the council?
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  Speaker 4: Did you?
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: You got on me. Didn't do your job because you
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: had fear over the states going ink about you because
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: I didn't have I didn't have a proper appeal process.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't have none of that. And then when I'm
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: wagging to come out that they have a witness and
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: which one to negotiate their name and stuff? After I
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: found out that he had, Yeah, what's a statement. I'm
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: trying to get the statement from he's right here. Let
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: him telling me that he signed an agreement with the
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: prosecutors not to share any information if their positive any
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: client appreciated my understanding of the letter.
• 58:35
  Speaker 7: How am I gonna.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Understand when you're hiding information from me? That's some breaking
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: violations you have through the school.
• 58:42
  Speaker 7: All evidence you have that bothers me to be able
• 58:48
  Speaker 7: to uh be able it on the chances, and I was,
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: I was.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: I had do against me.
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: I could have been put it on that issue because
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: from my mental state, because.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Because you can do your job.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: Well, let me.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: Right, let me jump in right quickly because we only
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: got five minutes left. You know, we're always running out
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: of time when it's getting good. So you know, O Casey,
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: we gotta bring you back. But we're gonna be on
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: break into February, so you know you're coming back in February.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: So we're gonna talk. You're gonna keep in touch with me. Cornell,
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go ahead and let you and well, let
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: me just tell everybody Merry Christmas. And and you know
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: remember what I said, me and my family and.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: My father now cansel four. This is the only thing
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: for me right now because he's my only brother before
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: and you know, uh, I understand how people will just days,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: y'all if if you got brother against your family members,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: or if you've got some going on, forgive for love
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: him and just understand, man, with am not perfect. Human
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: beings are not person we're in perfect. Only Jesus is perfect,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: So y'all all that your family, kids and hustle and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: tell me you look and I thank you for the time.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, three minutes cor now.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, so everything everyone listens. Merry Christmas and Happy Accomiday
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: for y'all. You want to listen to this podcast tonight.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: We're really talking about the United States, and I messed
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: up our system really is so really, what we should
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: be trying to do is to go to the polls,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: to push laws, to try to have these people come back,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: and to revisit our colinal justice system. We have a
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: president who passed our first step First Step Act, and
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: then the first step back. It does nothing to try
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: to curb the problems on our criminal justice system. It
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: only taps into the ice the top of the icebergs
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: the colinal justice system. It does nothing to addresscue judges,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: these loyant prosecuted, the crime labs, you know what I'm saying,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: these noble health evaluators. Okay, it does nothing. So if
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: you aren't av to get the criminal justice reform, come out.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the real issues that matters. Issues Well,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: blacks are being convicted about all white cheers Jenners is
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: being paid paying or seventy amount of money to help
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: get convictions. They've come out and talked about these issues
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: and raised the concerns about how African Americans are not
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: just African Americans, but anybody because this deals with everybody,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: not just the African American. But the statistics are real,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: so let's believe in the statistics. So this is for everybody.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about it for everybody. So come on out,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: join the show and guess what have no boys heard?
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Go to the police if they're not doing right, go
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: to out the office. But let's address our Cohona's justice
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: system and the right way and start from the top
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: and bring it to the bottom and let's get our
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: kids home because that's what we have. So thank y'all
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: very much for having me on this show. And I
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: love being on this show. And thank you missus Tonette
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: for having me on your show. Man that's your co host.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: And thank you missus Andela for having me a part
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: of your crew podcast and your Spine Office magazine, ma'am,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: and thank y'all very much for having me.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Merry Christmas, everyone, enjoy your holidays. We'll see
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: you back on Monday with our Bonnus show and then
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: that will be it until February.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: Love you guys, have a blessed holiday.