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Mac & Bone Hour 2: XL Shines in Training Camp & NFLPA Investigation · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk some Carolina Panther football. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: talk a ton of Carolina football today. We're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: out of training camp live tomorrow with some great guests.
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  Speaker 2: It's go time, baby.
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  Speaker 1: It is that freaking time of year, and that's coach
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  Speaker 1: Canalis and I love that bone. We were out yesterday's
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  Speaker 1: practice and we saw the what coach described as the
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  Speaker 1: offense bouncing back Friday was ugly. The defense dominated and
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  Speaker 1: to hear coach say it, the defense they do. They
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  Speaker 1: have a scorekeeping system and the defense won the first
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  Speaker 1: two days. But this is what you want from camp.
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  Speaker 2: You do.
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  Speaker 1: As much as I want our defense to be badass,
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  Speaker 1: top ten and all that, you need some give and take.
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  Speaker 1: If you've got one side of the ball absolutely slobber
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  Speaker 1: knocking and slam Obama the other side all camp long bone,
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  Speaker 1: you start to question how good really is the one side?
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  Speaker 1: And man, how crappy is you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Bryce and the Boys needed to bounce back. It was
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  Speaker 1: a good sign yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: We know that when this season begins, mag the defense
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  Speaker 3: normally ahead of the offense for a while, but in
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  Speaker 3: this particular case for the Panthers, think about their Week
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  Speaker 3: one opponent. Even though we believe in the Panthers defense,
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  Speaker 3: they're facing a hell of an offensive challenge in the
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  Speaker 3: Chicago Bears week number one. So your offense and then
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  Speaker 3: you have the Lions down the line, you don't have
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  Speaker 3: a lot of time to hope. Hey, let's hope the
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  Speaker 3: offense can get going here, because you're facing some teams
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  Speaker 3: early in that first four games that are going to
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  Speaker 3: put up some points that you may have to match
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  Speaker 3: despite how good your defense might be.
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  Speaker 1: We already have a texter that wants to discredit what
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  Speaker 1: the offense did yesterday. It's a fair point. No Jackson
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  Speaker 1: and Horn yesterday. Yeah, Jack, Jack's out right now in
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  Speaker 1: a little back situation. But Jack wasn't tear on Friday,
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  Speaker 1: and the defense played well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We saw Bryce though, and I know it's a term
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  Speaker 3: we use often and probably overuse it at this point
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  Speaker 3: entering year four, but there were definitely elements Obama Bryce yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: There was the moving around, avoiding the rush, making plays
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  Speaker 3: when nothing was there, thrown with anticipation. Yesterday was what
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  Speaker 3: we want out of him. So that's what no matter
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  Speaker 3: who the DBS are, I don't care. I saw Bryce
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  Speaker 3: looking confident, looking charp and that timing that he has
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  Speaker 3: with t Mac is looking like it's there right now.
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  Speaker 3: The Corey Thornton made a hell of a play, But
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  Speaker 3: that was more on Corey Thorton than I thought.
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  Speaker 1: Bryce got to be a great play by Thornton. That's
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  Speaker 1: about the only defensive play I can remember from yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you did have Wheatley stripping Miles Davis to back
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  Speaker 1: up running back who was not making sweet music yesterday
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  Speaker 1: at all.
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  Speaker 2: Bro He was not. If gain stripped is cool? Consider
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  Speaker 2: me Miles Davis, poor Miles Davis man.
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  Speaker 1: He is about ready to get about thirty eight carries
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  Speaker 1: though in the Hall of Fame game.
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  Speaker 2: I have a feeling you.
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  Speaker 3: And I were making Miles Davis jokes yesterday, and Fiddy
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  Speaker 3: had a look on his face like what are these guys?
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  Speaker 1: Don't think Fitty knows it? Does he know who Miles Davis?
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  Speaker 1: Possibly does it?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 3: I brought up Billy Madison because there's a reference to
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  Speaker 3: that movie. I don't think Oh, he definitely didn't. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think he knew what that was either. He definitely
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  Speaker 3: didn't get that one. Even here doing production work, I'm
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  Speaker 3: doing air quotes right now production work. I'll just leave
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  Speaker 3: it at that.
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  Speaker 2: I saw him.
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  Speaker 1: So the XL thing, y'all, what do we say about
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  Speaker 1: the XL thing?
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  Speaker 2: Bone?
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  Speaker 1: He had a really good day Friday by all accounts.
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  Speaker 1: We were out there to see it. Yesterday, had an
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  Speaker 1: amazing diving catch while being interfered with, while being grabbed
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  Speaker 1: and held, fought it off. Dove came up with the
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  Speaker 1: catch our fans out there, do you allow your I
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  Speaker 1: guess the better question is bone? What does it take
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  Speaker 1: before fans allow themselves to feel like shoot? I wonder
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  Speaker 1: if XAL could put it together. The optimistic side of
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  Speaker 1: XL would be, Hey, it took him a while South
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  Speaker 1: Carolina to put together, so could it? Could this be
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  Speaker 1: the third year where he finally puts it together. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to go out of a limbone and say it
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  Speaker 1: is going to take all of us more than a
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  Speaker 1: couple of good He was pretty good in the spring too,
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  Speaker 1: but it's going to take more than just good practices
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  Speaker 1: to make us believe in XL. He had he had
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  Speaker 1: a tow drag swagger on Friday, though.
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  Speaker 3: He did he almost had one yesterday, but he didn't
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  Speaker 3: get it was as soon as we got there look
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  Speaker 3: at Xcel.
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  Speaker 2: I thought he had him in and the ref called
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  Speaker 2: it out.
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  Speaker 1: And then he said afterwards he went up on his
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  Speaker 1: tippy toes to show the ref what he did.
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  Speaker 3: Man, this guy can figure out, you know, the mental
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  Speaker 3: side of the game, the intricacies of playing the position.
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  Speaker 3: The guy's physically a specimen. Man, the guy is you
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  Speaker 3: talk about an all time body. My god, almighty, this
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  Speaker 3: guy's body.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Phitty has done with his production work that
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  Speaker 1: he was doing. A production room seems to have some
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  Speaker 1: weird things. Bone that he went to. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there was a sink in there. Anyway, I digress.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's cry Fitty. I don't know, because we
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  Speaker 1: are a transparent show. First of all, we're not professional.
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  Speaker 1: Most radio shows producer go to the bathroom. They wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: say anything because they're pros. First of all, Bone, we're
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  Speaker 1: not professional. But secondly, we're a transparent show. Fiddy had
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  Speaker 1: a look on his face that I had not seen
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  Speaker 1: before Bone, and he asked for permission for us to
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  Speaker 1: leave in the middle of the sec So you said
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  Speaker 1: you needed three minutes, he went four forty five.
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  Speaker 2: You're curious, was that It's still pretty quick? But I
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  Speaker 2: gotta give it to him, Yeah, considering the damage that
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  Speaker 2: was done. All right, now now you can go there, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Well, all right, let's keep updating what happened, uh for
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  Speaker 1: the Panthers this weekend of Panthers Weekend News and Happenings
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  Speaker 1: seven O four five seven oh nine six ten. If
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  Speaker 1: you want to chime in out there with any thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on any of this stuff that's going on, why don't
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  Speaker 1: we go fitty to Dave Canalis talking about Xcel talking
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  Speaker 1: about the way XCEL has played in camp, and Canalist
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  Speaker 1: did basically say, yeah, this has been happened in all
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  Speaker 1: off season.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, just a great carryover from the spring at this point.
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  Speaker 5: Now x knows the system. That's the cool part is
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  Speaker 5: as we bring free agents, as we bring the rookies in,
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  Speaker 5: you know, they see x and he knows how to
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  Speaker 5: do it all, whether it's UH in the vise game plan,
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  Speaker 5: third downs, nuances in the.
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  Speaker 6: Red zone, all differently, some almost have good but just
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  Speaker 6: matching him with this consistency, he looks fast, he looks powerful.
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  Speaker 6: He's having to break camp so far as we get started,
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  Speaker 6: and I'm excited to see where he engineer.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hope he's gonna give it to you. You can keep
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  Speaker 1: it up, baby, Let's hope he can keep it up.
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  Speaker 1: Brian says. Max says he fought off pass interference yes
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  Speaker 1: from a dude named named Robert Rochelle. Yes, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: he was not being covered by Patrick Certain yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: I fully admit it.
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  Speaker 1: The Texters are feisty, by the way, like usually in
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  Speaker 1: the preseason. It seems like, and I know Xcel is
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  Speaker 1: one that's gonna it's it's gonna take way more. Right,
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  Speaker 1: it's the body work he's put out there, it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: take way more. But the Texters bone like bagel guy
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  Speaker 1: chiming in on Bryce Young, you saw shocking. He said
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  Speaker 1: he was running around making plays. He says, it's really
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  Speaker 1: easy to move around to void the rush when you
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  Speaker 1: know the defense can't hit you. Then you have Panther
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  Speaker 1: Steve chiming in bone. Preseason don't mean believe mac Xcel
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  Speaker 1: has to do something in the regular season.
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  Speaker 2: And it's true, it's true, Panther Steve.
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  Speaker 4: No preseason does matter for that guy and his confidence.
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  Speaker 2: It's like me, if I want.
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  Speaker 4: To go out to a bar, if I have no confidence,
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  Speaker 4: nothing's gonna happen. If XL isn't confident in his ability
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  Speaker 4: to make plays, then he's gonna go out there on
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  Speaker 4: Sundays and make plays.
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  Speaker 2: So, no, this stuff does matter. If not, they wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: do it.
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  Speaker 4: If only that matter was the games, then they wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: have training camp, they wouldn't have preseason games, and they
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't practice.
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  Speaker 3: This stuff matters, man, so or it would matter to
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  Speaker 3: Panther Seve if he had free tickets for the preseason games.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'll just say this, And this is also
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  Speaker 1: something too. Unfortunately, for the second straight year, fans can't
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  Speaker 1: be there. When fans can see it for themselves, Bone,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like they get more hyped up about it,
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  Speaker 1: but when they just kind of hear about it secondhand,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of like allows them to be, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to still have that disbelief or whatever. This texture says, Mac,
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  Speaker 1: Are you really trying to sell me that you saw
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  Speaker 1: a different Excel. I don't know what to make of it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just kind of we're just kind of reporting what
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  Speaker 1: happened this weekend. Right, Have I all the sudden Bone
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  Speaker 1: become an Excel convert and believe or No, I would
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  Speaker 1: definitely not say that, but it's better than the alternative.
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  Speaker 1: What's the alternative him playing like crap like it's right? Also,
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  Speaker 1: if he can, that's the way worse he's now. The
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  Speaker 1: expectation for him has now changed when he came in
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  Speaker 1: here as wow, he's drafted in the first round. Is
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  Speaker 1: he going to be a potential number one? What is
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  Speaker 1: XL going to be? Well, obviously, right now t Mac
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  Speaker 1: is here, Coker's here, They drafted Brazl. So if Xcel
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  Speaker 1: Mac could come in and contribute, even as a fourth guy,
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  Speaker 1: and then maybe he has value and gets traded somewhere else,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but right now he's trying to produce
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  Speaker 1: as a third or a fourth guy, no longer a
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  Speaker 1: one war a two. So yeah, it's been a disappointment,
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  Speaker 1: but based off what the expectations are now, I think
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  Speaker 1: we have to look at Excel differently than we did before.
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  Speaker 1: He's he's he is fighting off brazzle too. Man, when
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  Speaker 1: your head coach is on is at that podium like
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  Speaker 1: he was on Friday telling everybody that Tamac can play
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  Speaker 1: more in the slot now because we have razzle on
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  Speaker 1: the outside. Like if you don't hear that and feel
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  Speaker 1: like oh shoot, I mean long before that, he probably said,
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  Speaker 1: oh shoot, you know what I mean, although he said
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  Speaker 1: it is in a Mullen's way.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you know. Shoot, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Fiddy want to get your attention because on Friday it's
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  Speaker 1: sounded like, oh damn, Canal has as plans for a
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  Speaker 1: lot of brazzle on the field.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll see, man b Bob wants to fight me
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  Speaker 3: at a gas station this morning. Oh shoot, man shoot.
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  Speaker 2: We need to.
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  Speaker 3: Point out that we have offered be Bob now at
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  Speaker 3: least four or five times a chance to be in
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  Speaker 3: the roundtable discussions.
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  Speaker 2: Yet be bop uh will not do it.
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  Speaker 3: And we think b Bob's a little bit scared Mac
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  Speaker 3: to be a caller to the station.
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  Speaker 1: Say I'm much better as a smart ass texter. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want to call, So this tough texter Mac won't
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  Speaker 1: call the show. He says he's too busy. Do we
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  Speaker 1: think be Bob's busy? It doesn't appear so he's not.
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  Speaker 1: Based on the barrage of text this morning and every morning,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. All right, let's see, let's talk about
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  Speaker 1: other things. From Camplan wrote freeling sound like it up
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  Speaker 1: and down weekend for Freeling. On Friday, Bone, it seemed
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  Speaker 1: like Jalen Phillips and Pat Jones and the boys were
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  Speaker 1: giving him some work. Yesterday felt way better, right, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't notice really protection problems, and I know Vashtai on
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  Speaker 1: her post camp report was raven about Freeling a couple
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  Speaker 1: of moments he had against Phillips, so it felt like
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  Speaker 1: a bounce back day for the offense. Yesterday felt like
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: a bounce back day for Freeling. You said it earlier,
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  Speaker 1: my man, Corey Thornton more on him later in the show,
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  Speaker 1: made a big play on defense. So it's good point
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  Speaker 1: back by the weekend man. Both sides did stuff this weekend.
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  Speaker 3: Good point by a seven o four Texter talking about
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  Speaker 3: Panther Steve talking about preseason, he says, actually, preseason does
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  Speaker 3: matter for this group because the last couple of years
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  Speaker 3: they didn't play enough and it affected that man of
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  Speaker 3: the regular season. So preseason actually does matter a little
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  Speaker 3: bit to this group right here. It doesn't matter to
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  Speaker 3: some teams, but it matters to what this organization is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: With that said, Bone, how many guys you think they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna bench next s Thursday and can Well, Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: the that's the that's thirty, that's the extra one there.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, but after that, I would like.
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  Speaker 1: To see a little bit more from the starters from
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  Speaker 1: Coach Canalis. Coach Canalis, yesterday Bone was asked about an
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  Speaker 1: interesting topic and something I never would have thought of.
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  Speaker 1: The NFLPA is investigating the Panthers and they want the
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  Speaker 1: videotape of Nick Gorton's injury and practice. They want to
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  Speaker 1: see if this came from too much contact. The first
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  Speaker 1: three practices are an acclamation period. There is not supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be really any contact at all. And yesterday the
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  Speaker 1: Panthers acknowledged this to the media that hey, we are
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  Speaker 1: aware of it, we're co operate. They need tape, we'll
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  Speaker 1: send tape. But of course at the presser, Coach Canalis
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  Speaker 1: was asked about this situation.
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  Speaker 7: Dave the union has asked to yeah, yeah, we take
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  Speaker 7: some guys.
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  Speaker 8: You know, we're aware that they're looking into it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we we have the rules, we have the standards,
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  Speaker 5: We let them know, and I think from there, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's kind of more of a brute question just in
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  Speaker 5: terms of what's happening and what questions might be asked.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, all we can do is really just
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  Speaker 5: lay the lay the ground work out, show the guys
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  Speaker 5: good examples of what it looks like, and then go
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  Speaker 5: from there.
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  Speaker 2: Been through a process like that before where the PA
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  Speaker 2: or maybe the NFL is looking into or something.
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  Speaker 5: You guys, you know, Yeah, we had a couple just
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  Speaker 5: in Seattle, we had a couple of situations where you know,
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  Speaker 5: they were pretty critical of what we were doing in
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  Speaker 5: our practices. We had to adjust, you know, and there
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  Speaker 5: might have been some fines thrown out there and you know,
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  Speaker 5: ota practice or something lost. But you know, I think
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  Speaker 5: that was of early on. Really it was after twenty
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  Speaker 5: eleven sometime when the you know, when the CBA and
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  Speaker 5: they all got together and kind of said, hey, here's
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  Speaker 5: how here's the modes, and we learned, we grew. And
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  Speaker 5: so fortunately for me coming into you know, my first
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  Speaker 5: time being a head coach, in the last couple of years,
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  Speaker 5: I've had history and experience with how to do it
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  Speaker 5: and how to educate the guys by showing great examples of.
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  Speaker 8: What we're looking for.
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  Speaker 2: So there you go.
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  Speaker 1: He he cites his experience with his and I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know this, but Joe Person followed those comments up with
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  Speaker 1: something on Twitter. Three times the Seahawks got in trouble
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  Speaker 1: for doing things that are against the CBA in camp practices,
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  Speaker 1: and the third time three times while Canalis was there
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  Speaker 1: with Carrol. Not blaming Canal, it's kind of blaming Carrol.
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  Speaker 1: Actually the third time bone they lost a fifth round
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  Speaker 1: draft pick. Oh so, but that took That was the
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  Speaker 1: third time that they had been punished for it. So
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  Speaker 1: coach Canalist basically says, when I was in Seattle, I
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  Speaker 1: learned from Pete all the stuff you can't do in practice.
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  Speaker 3: So now we are equipped to do the right things now.
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  Speaker 3: I guess that's what he's saying. Here's my question about
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  Speaker 3: this situation. By the way, one of the media members,
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  Speaker 3: as you said when the show began, said it was
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  Speaker 3: a misstep on a plane.
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  Speaker 2: Get who it was.
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  Speaker 3: But my question is, guys get hurt in camp all
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  Speaker 3: the time. Why why is this one being looked at
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  Speaker 3: with so much attention as opposed to all the other
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  Speaker 3: camp injuries like.
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  Speaker 1: What came on the first day during the acclamation period.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, I guess they're the only one there's I
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  Speaker 1: guess that's what it is, right. It's my own question
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  Speaker 1: there because normally. I don't really think that they take
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  Speaker 1: all these investigations. But I guess they. I guess they
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  Speaker 1: just drew their drew their eye. I guess yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: think maybe there's so little going on, Florio report, Maybe
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  Speaker 1: this stuff happens routinely, and Florio just there's there's not
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  Speaker 1: a ton going on yet. Yeah, and Florio because that's
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  Speaker 1: how it started. Florio got the word of this and
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  Speaker 1: reported it, and then the Panthers ran and said, yes,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna it's going on. We're going to cooperate, but
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  Speaker 1: we'll see. I don't doesn't Dave Canalis seem I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know what, I know what to happen in Seattle,
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  Speaker 1: But he wasn't in charge there. Ultimately, he was a
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  Speaker 1: position coach. Doesn't Dave Canalis sound like a rule follower?
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't he appear to be a rule follower?
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  Speaker 2: Bone?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he's not really gonna be the uh.
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  Speaker 3: I'm guessing Dave Canalis was on time to class all
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  Speaker 3: the time. Definitely.
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  Speaker 1: We have a text and it says this would be
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: a very Panther way to lose a draft pick, though
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: he would certainly. But there are the new Panthers though
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: y'all all panthers. Yeah, new Panthers. I don't think so.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Baby. Do you see this happening during the match.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: You can see Matt Rulemack losing a draft pick for
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: having some hot dog getting contest.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: M Yeah, I didn't know that we were hot dogs.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't know.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that that would be believable that he
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: wouldn't know the rules during his college, during his summer
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: camp activities.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: I didn't know we were supposed to play laser tag.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't know. You know, We've got a couple of
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: updates here, Boni PSL Smith has volunteered fight Bebop for
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: you because he says I can't stand me, So you
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: got a stand in fighter, and that might be good news.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Because I just saw you sipping coffee out of a straw,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: so that might be good news.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: Why why, man? I know what I would like that?
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: Not that I'm Mike Dyson. I would like to fight
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: you at a gas station. What else was the other
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: thing I wanted to say?
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Here?
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: There was one other one? Then you say a lot
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: oh DVR. Dave is not having any of this positive
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: excel talk. You guys know exactly what the Texter means
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: when he says the preseason doesn't matter, It's not that
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: the preseason doesn't matter to the team and the preseason
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter to the fans in the context of watching
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: XL be good because he's always good during preseason.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: That is not the case. So what what's up the case?
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: Mack? What happened in the first preseason game last year?
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: Dude got in the fight against the Cleveland Browns. We
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: came back on Monday and was saying, Hey, what are
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: you doing? You didn't have the best rookie season. You
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: talked all of this about wanting to become a better player,
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: finished with those plays that cost him potential wins against
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: the Eagles and the like, And the first time back
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: on the field, you got ejected from a preseason game.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Let's not act like this. Dude's been Jerry Rice in August.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I has been the case.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: I have to defend the skeptical fans, though, Finnie, do
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: you are you now believing that Excel is gonna put
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: up fifty catches?
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: No?
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Like I want to believe it, but push comes to shovebone,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: like some guy wants to bet one of us if
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: you love Excel.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: So much.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Bet me one thousand dollars that he has fifty catches
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: this season.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Ain't nobody taking it? Ain't nobody's get crazy. We don't
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: believe in that. But one guy we believed in and
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: will always believe in is the message of Panthers legend
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Sam Mills. Paul domowitch Back has a new book out
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: called Just Give Me a Chance to Fail the Life
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: of NFL Hall of Fame, Whyebacker Sam Mills. We're going
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: to talk to Paul about this book next. Where does
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: the inspirational mindset for Sam Mills? Where did that come from?
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: In his wife? Find out Sports Radio seven WFZ Sports
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Radio ninety two seven WFNZ. It's go time, baby. The
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Panthers are in camp. They'll put the pads on tomorrow.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: We're going to do a live show out there tomorrow
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: and talk to Bryce, coach Canalis, Dan Morgan, among many others.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: So it's a it's time. The great JJ Janson we're
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: going to talk to as well.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Baby. But right now, though, so keep it locked in. Man.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: You want football talk, We are here. We have arrived
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: at football time. But right now, let's talk about one
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: of the all time greats. One of the guys who
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: is still an inspiration to these Panther players. Heck, every
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: time they pick up their jersey, they see the words
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: keep pounding on the inside of that jersey and it
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: inspires them. And those were the words of the great
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Sam Mills as he was coaching the Panthers in three
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: during that Super Bowl season, and as he was a
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: coach on the staff, and it's going to forever be
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: a mantra of the team. He also uttered a great
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: phrase bone as he was trying to get a chance
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: and people were counting him out as being too small
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: in his rise in football. He asked for a chance
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: to fail. And that the title of the book about
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Sam Mills that is a great read, just give Me
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: a Chance to Fail. The Life and the Life of
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: NFL Hall of Fame linebacker Sam Mills. It is written
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: by longtime Philadelphia sportswriter football writer Paul Domowitch, and Paul
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: joins us here to talk about his book, which is
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: just perfect, perfect read for Panther fans right now. Paul,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: thank you for coming on, man. How you doing.
• 19:39
  Speaker 8: I'm doing well. Thanks for having me, guys.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: So when did you win in what was the process
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: of deciding I want to write about Sam Mills. How'd
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: you come up with that? And why did you think
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: his story was so important to tell?
• 19:54
  Speaker 8: Oh, He's always been a guy that's been on my
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: mind because I've been on the Pro Football Hall of
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: Fame election Committee since two thousand and two, which was
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: even before Sam was diagnosed with cancer, and I saw
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: I mean, I covered him in eighty four, in eighty
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: three eighty four in Philadelphia. I knew how, I knew
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: what kind of player he was. But he's always been
• 20:14
  Speaker 8: on my mind because I was trying to get him
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: into the Hall of Fame. And I took a buyout
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: from the in Philadelphia inquir in twenty twenty one, and
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: I knew I wanted to write a book after I
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: was after I retired, and Sam was right at the
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: top of the list of people I wanted to write about.
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: I mean, I enjoy writing about people that are you know,
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: that inspire, you know, subjects that inspire and move people,
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: and Sam is as inspirational as anybody I've ever covered.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Paul In order for the key Pounding Matra to be
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: what it became and what we know of him here
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: with the statue and of course the Saints. Years before that,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: he had a pretty unique journey to even get to
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: the NFL. What was it like for young Sam to
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: even reach the point where he was a Pro Bowl
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: wineback with the Saints.
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean not easy obviously, Guys, you know, he
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: was a five to nine linebacker, always told he was
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: too you know, I mean, nobody would believe their eyes.
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: I mean they look at film. You know, I'm talking
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: college coaches, Division one coaches that ignored him even though
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: they could look at the film and see him dominate
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: in high school. NFL scouts and coaches when he got
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: to the you know when he when he was when
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: he went undrafted in nineteen eighty one. I mean, they
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: just refused to believe that he could play. I mean,
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: even Jim Mora, who ended up bringing him to New
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: Orleans and ultimately presenting him in the Hall of Fame
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: and calling them the you know, the best player he's
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: ever coached, which includes Peyton Manning, even he didn't, you know,
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: felt the guy needed to be cut originally until he
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: was convinced otherwise. So you know, I mean, Sam's attitude
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: was just just give me a chance to fail, Just
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: give me a fair opportunity. You know, he didn't get
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: one in Cleveland when they cut him, even though he
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: had a outstanding camp. He didn't get one in Toronto.
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: You know, the the United States Football League came along
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: just at the right time. I mean, otherwise Sam would
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: have gotten into high school teaching and coaching and we
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: never would have heard from him. Uh. And the stars were,
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: you know, the flame that got him noticed and got
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: him attention and allowed him to show what he could do.
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: And and you know the rest is history, guys, including
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: his three great years with the Panthers.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: You and and you talk, you talk in the book
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: about the amount like Bill Pollian was a guy that
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: you talk about in the book. Initially coming out of
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the draft, he thought he was too small. Of course,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: eventually he saw the light and signed him here in Carolina.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he was doubted all along, but the size
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: of his heart was immense. Uh. Let's talk about the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Saint Cheers first, even though Panther fans are probably like,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: get to the Panthers stuff, dang it. But let's talk
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: about the Saint Chiers because man, he spent so much
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: time there and that linebacking corps like they were I know,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: they couldn't win a playoff game, but my god, that
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: those linebackers were stacked. Talk about his time in New
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Orleans because you know, even though we love him here
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: in Carolina, man, that was the story though. That was
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: a big part of his story.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know he went there. Ricky Jackson was the
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: only one of those linebackers there at the time, the
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: Dome patrol.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: They added Pat Swilling and Von Johnson. Von Johnson came
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: with Sam from the USFL and they became, in my belief,
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: the best linebacking corps in the history of the league.
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: I mean they were just but Sam was the leader
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: of that group. I mean he was. I mean Vick
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: Fanjo who coached the linebackers for Jim for nine years there,
• 23:45
  Speaker 8: you know, said he was the you know, he was
• 23:47
  Speaker 8: the physical, the spiritual, the schematic leader of that that
• 23:50
  Speaker 8: that linebacker crew. I mean, he just they followed his lead.
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: He told him where that what was coming. I mean,
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: he was so smart, such a voracious film watcher that
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: he you know, he never was fooled and he was
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: able to share that with his defense. The unfortunate part
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: in the New Orleans guys is they just never had
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: a very good offense, and that's that would always be
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: their downfall in those four playoff losses. Uh, you know,
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: they they just Jim Morris was a great coach to
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: a degree, but he just he believed you could win
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: with a great defense. And in there, in there they
• 24:25
  Speaker 8: also had a Hall of Fame kicker and Morton Anderson
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: that that would be enough, and it never was. I
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: mean it would it would get them to a point,
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: it would get them to the playoffs, but they never
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: won a playoff game under Jim in New Orleans, and
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: and that was I think that hurt. That hurts Sam
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: as far as how long it took him to get
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: One one one, dang.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: The book is just give Me a Chance to Fail,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: The Life of NFL Hall of Fame Whybacker Sam Mills.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: The author, Paul Domowitch with us. It is available tomorrow.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Panther fans, and make sure you order Paul's book. You
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: can tell you put a lot of heart into him.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: What's like say, I put a lot of heart in
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: this stuff. Paul's heart is in this book.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Paul.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: We know the inspirational guy that Sam Mills became and
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: still is today. But in your research of Sam's life
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: leading up to his football career, where do you think
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: that inspirational mindset, that big heart, where did it come from?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: In his upbringing?
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: I think his mom was a big influence on him.
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: You know, she looked I mean she he probably was,
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: she had five twelve children. But I you know, from
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: talking to his other siblings, I think Sam was the favorite. Uh.
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: She loved him, and I think she was a giving person.
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: Uh and and and a woman of faith. And I
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: think a lot of that uh uh you know was
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: inherited by Sam. And you know, and I think that
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: the struggles he endured during his career early on as
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: a you know, growing up and then you know, in
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: high school and in college, I think a lot of
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: that helped shape him for what was to come.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the years here in Charlotte. They were
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: only three years, but it was enough to get him
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: honored with a statue. That's how much Jerry Richardson, that
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: how much everybody with the organization thought of him. I
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: guess at that point there were probably there were probably
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: people thinking he's too old. You know, maybe that became
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: maybe they proved hey at this size I can play,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: but I think at that point maybe people were still
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: surprised to see that defense that he played with in
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: that ninety six season, the second Panther season ever, that
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: was a special season here for Panther fans.
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, making it all the way to the
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: NFC Championship game in the second season of your existence.
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: You know, Sam was I mean, he was thirty five
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: going on thirty six when they signed him, thirty seven
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: in that ninety six season, and as the first team
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: All Pro that year. I mean, that's just like boggles
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: the mind. Aside from quarterbacks, I don't know that there's
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: been very many other players that have been that old
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: and been first team All Pros. But I mean, he
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: was just such an important part of that defense. You know,
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: one of the most telling interviews I did was with
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: Kevin Steele, who was the inside linebackers coach on that team.
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: You know, Kevin came from the college game. Don Capers
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: had hired him, and you know, he had never coached
• 27:23
  Speaker 8: in the pros and he said he learned more about
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: coaching from Sam uh in those first two years than
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: from any of the coaches on the staff, including Tom.
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: I mean, and having a guy like that to rely
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: on just made made Kevin that much better a coach.
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: I mean, he talked about a time when he forgot
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: he was supposed to be he was the guy that
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: called in the plays and he forgot. He just completely
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: blew a call once forgot it, and Sam just, you know,
• 27:51
  Speaker 8: unfazed on the field, just looks at him, realizes that
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: he forgot it, just turns around and calls the play
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: that he expected Vic Fangio to call anyway, and it
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: was the right call. They made a stop on the play.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: That's tremendous. Paul.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: How much impact when he was coaching did he have
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: on current Panthers GM Dan Morgan.
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: Well, as Dan points out in the book, a lot.
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: I mean, they became close friends even though that you know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: the funny thing is Dan was the first round pick,
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: you know, who didn't need to make people believe he
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: and you give him a chance to fail. Like Sam.
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: Sam's an undrafted player who had to go through a
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: spring league to get into the NFL, and yet they bonded.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: That was the kind of the beauty of Sam as
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: a coach. He could he could relate to players that
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: were you know, high pedigree and also the players like
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: himself coming out that were undrafted.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: You know, I thought one of the best interviews, one
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: of one of my favorite interviews in the book is
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: he is the one he did? Is I the one
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: I did with Steve Smith?
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was great stuff.
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: I mean, Steve Smith's a wide receiver on that team.
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: You know, Sam's the linebacker coach. And Sam realized that,
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: you know, Richard Williamson, the wide receiver coach, was kind
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: of being hard on on Steve, and Steve was not
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: reacting well to it. He wasn't getting on the field
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: as a wide receiver as a rookie. And Sam kind
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: of took him under his wing and and helped him
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: deal with the adversity early on. And Steve never forgot that.
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: I mean, his interview with me was I was touched.
• 29:29
  Speaker 8: I mean it was when I when we got done
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: and he told me the story about you know, his
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: son dying Arab being born, Sam dying the day before
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: his son was born. Uh. And you know he still
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: remembers that every year, you know, every year he celebrates
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: his son's birthday, he remembers Sam's death is just amazing.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: No, that's a tremendous part of the book, no doubt
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: about it. Panther fans, It's it's a read you're going
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: to love. It is just give me a chance to fail.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: It's the life of NFL Hall of Fame linebacker Sam Mills,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: and it's written by UH sports writer.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Pointing watching Louke Keikley go in have this book right there.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: You can celebrate both guys one hundred percent. I also
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: have to bring this up to you. One of the
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: parts of the book that that cracked.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Me up is that Sam when he was done his
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: playing career here in Carolina and retires, and of course
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: he did it with an announcement after his last game.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: He didn't want a fanfare. Of course that's the way
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: he was right. But he's trying to decide what do
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I do with my life now? And I guess it
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: was between like staying in football and the way you
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: write it is. Jerry Richardson told him, you name the job,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: you want the building, you're gonna get it. But it
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: was between that and insurance salesman. What was what the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: It sounded like his own family had to tell him,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: you because you can't sell insurance.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Why what was up with that? Do you know why
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: that was a possibility for him?
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: You know, I got to believe that he you know, somehow,
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: or there was an insurance man that he liked or
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: had an effect on him. He thought it might be
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: a job he'd like. But yeah, his own family. Same
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: thing with being that, you know, when he when he
• 30:58
  Speaker 8: was with the Saints, he worked in the in Tom
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: Benson's car dealerships, and he thought that might be a
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: future for him and his own family was. One of
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: his sons had a hilarious story about you know that
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: if Sam ever became a car salesman, he said, my
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: dad would my dad would probably tell the guy, hey,
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: you can go down the street and get this car
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: for one thousand dollars.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Cheap, too nice, too nice to do exactly.
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: And it was the same thing with he'd definitely picked
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: the right profession when he decided to get into coaching.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: My god, you talk about you know, Morgan and Smith
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: and how he impacted them, and then you had to
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: keep pounding. Moment in three when he has the cancer,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, what an impact he may I think he
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: had made the right choice.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: What do you think Sam would say today if he
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: was around, and he was in the Pro Football Hall
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: of Fame, but also that the key pounding speech would resonate,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: you know, twenty plus years later like it is.
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, he'd be very humble, I'm sure, you know.
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: I mean one of the interview that I'll never forget
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: is the one I did with him seven months before
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: he guys, where he said how blessed he was. You know,
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: I'm standing there thinking to myself, you're dying at forty three,
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: you were you know, you were diagnosed with cancer. How
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: can you feel blessed right now? I'd be I'd be
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: wallowing and self pity. And this guy was just I mean,
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: that was that was Sam, as you guys know from
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: how he was as a player and coach when he
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: was alive. There that you know, he just never there
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: was never a negative thought that ran through his body. Uh.
• 32:27
  Speaker 8: And I think that's the you know, he would he
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: would look back on all this and and just be
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: honored and humble at everything that's happened to him as
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: far as you know, how he's how he's remembered down
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: there twenty plus years after his death, you know, in
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: the Hall of Fame, in his last year of eligibility.
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's just he would be he would he
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: would tell you he feels blessed.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome, he deserves.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: We have a lot of Texters, Paul, that are going
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: to buy the book, which is a testament to the
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: work that you've done. And also it's really something, Matt,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: that a lot of our Texters are buying a book.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: So this is really it's really a lot of work
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: you've done here, Paul. Yeah, check it out.
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: Tell them if any of them are going to Canton
• 33:13
  Speaker 8: for Keikley's induction, I'll be out there signing books. I know,
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: make sure they come buy and say hello.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: So any other specifics you want to give, I mean
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I assume Amazon and anywhere you can buy books. Any
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: other specifics you want to give on this.
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm going to be down there at some point,
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: probably in September for a book sign at least one
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: book signing, so I hope people will come out and say.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Hello, awesome.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: All right, great work, Paul, Thanks for thanks for joining
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: us to talk about good luck with it man.
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: Thanks for having me on to talk about it. Guys.
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: Take care there you.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Go, Paul Domowitch, give me a chance, Just give me
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: a chance to fail. The book about Sam Mills, there's
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: an interesting part in their two Bone and they quote
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Charlie Dayton. I know a guy you know as well,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: the original p R Maven, thirsty gree guy.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Team of historian there for a while as well. He did.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: But he's in there talking about how when the Panthers
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: came here, and this the Panthers came here, what six
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: years before I got here, that there was skepticism that
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: you know, they this city would embrace the NFL totally.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: And Charlie Dayton talks about they love their college basketball,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: their college football, and their NASCAR. And I read that
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: and the ninety six team. Paul Donald Witch writes that
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: ninety six team, they realized, oh, this city's hooked this city.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: That team hooked this team, this city. But I think
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: about where we're at now, and we're sitting here having
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: a knockdown, drag out argument among Panther fans right now
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: text line and us about a guy's performance in training
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: camp practices.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: It's like, I think we have become an NFL city. Yeah,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: we're established now.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I mean to the point where there's nothing else that
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: competes with the Panthers, right, I mean college football's not
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: close to it the Hornet like it is it is Nascar?
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? Like? What a difference bone?
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: What you know thirty years makes nothing involves the year
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: round emotion White the Panthers do like we all time.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: We'll have Duke Carolina stuff that gets emotional. But in
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: terms of year round interest level, for the majority of
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: the audience, it's the Panthers. What's cool about this book
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: back is it's not just a random dude that saw
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: a subject and said, I want to write about Sam Mills.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: He said when the interview started he's wanted to do
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: it for a long time. And there he's talking about
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: talking to Sam Mills seven months before he died, so
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: he's known Sam. This is a laborer of love. This
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: is not some author that said, oh this is a
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: good subject. No, this means a lot.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: The point big time Paul was there in Philly when
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: he was with the Stars. Yes, win championships in Philly. Also,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: he's from Jersey, not too far from the Philly area too.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I mean he would play on concrete fields growing up
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: like he grew up in a tough neighborhood and there
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: he would be playing, playing on concrete essentially, you know,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: so tackling.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Check it out. He's a beat. He was a beast.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Just give me a chance to fail wherever books are
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: sold when we come back. Who are the guys on
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: the Panthers that you believe in more than most fans?
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Sports RADIOZ. That is Pat Jones.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: He got emotional on Friday talking about returning from injury
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: and seeing Nick Gorton go down. At the same time
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: he talked Bone about getting on the field for his
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: first practice since the back injury last year, and he
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: started to tear up. And that right there is very fascinating.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: He would come the game. He would show up on
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: game day injured out for the season and work out
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: for like two to three hours, and then when he
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: was done with that, he go pump up Nick Gordon.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: So now the roles are reversed and Nick is is
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: is hurt. But I start bony this topic with the
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: submission of Pat Jones. I feel like Pat Jones is
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: a guy. And that's what this question is about. Who's
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: wagons are you driving here with the Panthers? What players?
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Everybody seems to have a player or two bone that
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: they believe in more than maybe most of the fans
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: do that. You're always trying to tell your buddy, I'm
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: telling you, this guy get ball, he needs more snaps,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: or hey, you need to watch him. He's gonna have
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: a hell of a season. And Pat Jones is one
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: of those guys. For me, I feel like, because we
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: only saw him for four games, I feel like a
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: lot of Panther fans really don't know what to think
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: from him. He had seven sacks year before in Minnesota,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: and I thought he was starting to finally hit his
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: stride bone before the back injury. So I will submit.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you've got some answers to this question, so
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: do the fans. But I would submit him as a
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: guy that I believe he's going to outperform expectations this year.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's this is also like Pat Jones now,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: opportunities there, and I think opportunities there back for a guy.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I had to call Mitch please see I did there.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Mitch said, I got you mellow hater on the text line.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Brought him up as well, Mello hater. By the way,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I want to change your name there. Things have changed,
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: so he hates Mellow, but he loves Mitchell Evans. Maybe
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Mitchell Lovery. I'm buying stock Mac, and I'm not selling
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: it in Mitchell Evans. He came into the league as
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: a freakisch athlete. I think there's opportunity there. I tried
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: this with j T. Sanders a year ago. It didn't
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: work out. I'm going to say that Mitchell Evans becomes
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: what we thought j T. Sanders was going to be
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: for this offense. I'm big on Mitchell Evans and may
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: take a little bit of time, but I think as
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: a red zone threat. As the season goes along, I
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: think we're going to see more and more Big Mitch
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: out there. Mitchell Palooza is happening.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Canalis was was raving about him the other day and
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: the strides that he is making.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I think that's a good one too.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Maybe they Mac, maybe they've avoided adding a tight end
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: because they have a little faith in their process, and
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: maybe they think Mitchell Evans can be one of those
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: high level Notre Dame tight ends.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah I don't. I mean, I listen. I think he's
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I think he could be a nice player in this league.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I'm the Sanders thing. He's on his own. He's got
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: to go do it, and he's got to prove it.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I've turned a little more skeptical, although I will acknowledge
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the injuries were a part of it last year. But yeah,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I was with you on the Sanders thing. M Dog,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: says Mitch. Mitch Evans reminds me of Jeff King. That
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: might insult you, though, Bon and you may not like that.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I think you're driving to Mitch Wagon. I think we
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: might want a little higher level than Jeff King. Can
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: he even be Mcca? Could he even be a cole
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: comet at a Notre dame? Can he be I'm not
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: even talking about the higher end. I'm just talking about
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: can he be a guy like that? Someone that that
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: is be not a factor?
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: It'd be nice.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: I'd be co I wonder if I'll have a get
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: released Bile the Bears. Could he up on this roster?
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: There's there was talking about the Panthers trade for him
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: during the offseason as well. Let's see here, Bow, We've
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: got a text that says I am pounding the table
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: for Corey Thornton. That is from good Nugget. He's another
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: one of my wagon guys, man that I have believed
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: in since I saw them in training camp last year.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: We saw him make a big play yesterday Bone when
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: no other DBS appeared to make plays with Horn and
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Mike jack out. It needs to be said, but I
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: think he's a dog man. I think he's big. I
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: think he's physical. He's got inside outside versatility too, that
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Canal has talked about this week. So he's definitely those guys.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Texter says, I love the way you guys are hyping
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: up players, and you just admitted you had been hyping
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: up Jatavian Sanders. This is basically, who are Mac and
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Bone giving the kiss of debt. I'm going to be right,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Mac Mac. I'm bigger on the importance of the role
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: of David Moore that some people are because I think
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: with him it's not all about production and they need
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: a vet in that room. Look how even t Mac
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: and Coker they're they're gonna be great. They're young, Brazil young,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: we get young. You kind of see why David Moore
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: mak He's coming back all jokes aside, because he knows
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the offense. Also, they need someone in the room that's
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: been there, done that, and I think that's where David
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Moore becomes the most important. It's not always necessarily numbers.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: He's like the NBA guy end of the bench that
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: we don't donas. Yeah, he's on wide receiver that his
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: experience does help these young guys out a lot.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: That's important.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, you definitely could see it's it's a
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: de facto coach in a way. He made a play downfield,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: by the way yesterday as well when we were every
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: dang receiver seemed to make a play and Bryce was
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: throwing many of the passes. I will, I will, I
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: will continue to say Bone that I believe, because the
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: whole topic is that who you think is better than
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: most of your fellow Panther fans think. I don't think
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Nick Scott was horrible last year. I don't think it's
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: the worst thing in the world if we have to
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: start Nick Scott now. Do I want to improve that
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: position Bone, whether it's Ransom or Wheatly over time, Yes,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: But I think there was an extreme difference between his
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four in Carolina, which I thought was pretty dreadful,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: and last year, where I thought he was pretty solid.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: You could just look at it Bone in some of
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: these numbers. He had three stops in three hundred twenty
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: four snaps in twenty twenty four. He had twenty two
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: stops last year in one thousand plus snaps, but had
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: way more stops last year. His PFF grades too sixty
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: two overall last year fifty two the year before. His
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: run defense went up from a forty eight to a
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: sixty eight. His coverage every grade went up on PFF
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: last year. So I know this is going to generate
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: angry texts. But the whole question was who do you
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: think is better than a lot of fames think he is.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: I think he becomes a scapegoat more than the problem
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: at times fans twenty twenty fans need someone to blame.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: They see a play happen and they just automatically blame him,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: and it's not always off.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: It was like Captain Munterland.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Captain Munterland, like fans, I think thought like he sucked
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: his whole career because of a couple of rough moments
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: he had maybe early in his career with the Panthers.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: But I thought he's a pretty all all told. I
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: thought he ended up being a pretty good nickelback. Now
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: with that said, if Wheatley wants to take his starting job.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I ain't gonna I ain't gonna you know, yeah, I
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: ain't gonna argue about it.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: We lee he's got some long arms. Man. We were
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: watching him yesterday from the end zone side. Yeah, I
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: get long.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: I thin he's stid, but man, his arms are You
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: could see where his play on the ball with those
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: arms on the mac. We mentioned this guy last week
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: under the radar, guy not saying people are down on him.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: With a guy to watch for doing a stock thing.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: I think Aaron Hall is a guy defensive end out
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: of Duke. Might be practice squad to start, We'll see,
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: but I think Aaron Hall has a chance at some
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: point to be impactful as a young edge.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I definitely want to see because there's an opportunity there. Man,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: with the injuries, the injury to Wharton, you know there's
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: an opportunity there in the middle of the defense. Who
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: else or Texter's saying? We got a guy saying XL.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I believe Xcel is going to prove a bunch of
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: haters wrong. Another Texter, Bryce psl Smith. Bryce is gonna
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: ball out this year. I'm calling it big pain. Keep
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: an eye on this JJ Janssen. Fella been on him
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: since the turn of the century.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: It's young buck. This young buck.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: JJ Janssen may make something out of himself in this league,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Man Mack.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: What about Trevin Wallace now that Devin Woyd is there,
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: and how he can sort of play maybe a secondary
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: linebacker role. Yeah, it's guy's a post having to lead
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: the operation. I mean last year he and he actually
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: played better when he put the green dot on. But like, yeah,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: this is gonna this is gonna help a lot having
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Devin Lloyd next to him, and we'll see He's still
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: got a lot to prove.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: It's got to stay health.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: But I definitely could see the case being made that
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Trevin Willas will play his best football.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Texas says, how do we not talk about Devonte Smith
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: beyond this roster? No, sir, that is not the Devonte
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Smith from the Eagles. That is a corner Devonte Smith.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: That is not the pass catcher from Philadelphia. That is
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: a different guy.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: How do you know this guy's not just maybe a
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: big Notre Dame fan that's trying to back that version
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: of Devonte Smith. Isaiah Simmons getting a little love. Yeah,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I think he's going to tear it up on special teams.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: You know were also going to tear it up on
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: special teams. I forgot we brought him back till I
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: saw him yesterday. Bone Felipe Franks is about ready to
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: wreck some shots on coverage. He was the app in
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: yesterday too. He had the passion he plays with. That
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: is a great Special Teams edition. We got some ransom
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: love from Kenny the Jet. Yeah, I love it. Man
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: unsung guys. We'll see who's right. We'll see if we're
• 45:48
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• 45:50
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