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CULT MOM LORI VALLOW MURDERS 4, BLAMES “MEDIA, SAYS DEAD CHILDREN “VISIT” HER · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Colt Mom Lorie Valo. Now
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  Speaker 1: that she's not on cross examination, she opens up behind
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  Speaker 1: bars and tells, how should I say this? Her truth?
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  Speaker 1: In other words, her crazy story. She's spinning out. But
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  Speaker 1: oh no, no, not to me. To Nate Eaton from
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  Speaker 1: Eastidaho News dot Com, Nate had the I guess opportunity
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  Speaker 1: would be a way to put it. To sit down
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  Speaker 1: with Colt Mom Laurie Valo behind bars refresher Colt Mom
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  Speaker 1: Laurie Valo, the Devil's hence person, her two children found murdered,
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  Speaker 1: buried in the backyard of her Let's see was it
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  Speaker 1: the fourth or the fifth husband? I think the fifth husband,
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  Speaker 1: the prophet Chad da Bell both doomsday if it's of course,
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  Speaker 1: she's finding everybody to blame but herself. And I believe
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  Speaker 1: she refers to you, Nate Eaton as Judas does she not?
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  Speaker 2: She does? She said at one point she thought I
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  Speaker 2: was Judas.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's kick it off. Laurie Valo being escorted into
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  Speaker 1: the interview room. Now she's not cuffed, which would have
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  Speaker 1: given me, uh pause for concern, But that said, listen
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  Speaker 1: to Coultmom Laurie Valo being ushered into the interview room.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, Laurie, how are you you ready?
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Hi, good to see it. Hey, such a pleasure, have
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  Speaker 2: a seat.
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  Speaker 4: A long time coming?
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  Speaker 2: Huh birthday?
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  Speaker 4: Oh thank you?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, happy birthday, my rear rand. Are you serious? Happy birthday?
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  Speaker 1: She murdered her two children and Chad day Bell's wife, Tammy,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, happy birthday, my rear rand. Are you serious?
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to disarm her. Nancy, I wanted to disarmor
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  Speaker 2: so I did stay. Happy birthday, But then we immediately
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  Speaker 2: moved into questions about Chad. I had been told she
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  Speaker 2: would be tough, so that was a surprise to me.
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  Speaker 2: Nancy I had also been told that one of her
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  Speaker 2: defense attorneys, our advisory attorneys, would be in the room,
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  Speaker 2: and that's who was in the room. But notice she
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  Speaker 2: came in with a packet of documents of files that
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  Speaker 2: she wanted to refer to, but she didn't mention them
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  Speaker 2: one time. She had a notebook there. She she noticed
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  Speaker 2: she's wearing on her fourth finger, Nancy, the wedding ring finger.
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  Speaker 2: She's wearing a hair band to signify that she's still
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  Speaker 2: devoted to Chad day Bell. And then she comes to
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  Speaker 2: shake my hand that I had also been told we
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  Speaker 2: would not be able to touch, and then she was
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  Speaker 2: sitting down ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: Well, obviously you I hate to just throw you into
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  Speaker 1: the stereotypical male gene pool, but hey, do you notice
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  Speaker 1: you're a lucky one because she got her hair done
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  Speaker 1: and put on her jailhouse makeup for you. She's totally
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  Speaker 1: all dolled up for you, all for you, Nate.
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  Speaker 2: She did why well, you know, I don't know. We've
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  Speaker 2: I've waited five six years to ask her some questions,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe she had some questions for me, as I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure we'll talk about throughout the interview. But we didn't
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  Speaker 2: give her hair and makeup. Just to be clear, she
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  Speaker 2: did that herself. She used to be a hairdresser before
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  Speaker 2: she was incarcerated. So from what I understand, they take
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  Speaker 2: their clothing and get them wet and then they're able
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  Speaker 2: to curl their hair with that. I'm not a hair expert,
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  Speaker 2: but she definitely was ready to come in and chat
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  Speaker 2: with me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, I just want to follow up on
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  Speaker 1: what you just said. They take their what their clothing,
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  Speaker 1: and what.
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  Speaker 2: Right if you hold on to like a T shirt
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  Speaker 2: or whatever you have and get it wet you and
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  Speaker 2: then twist it up tight. You can put that in
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  Speaker 2: hair and then twist it. And that's apparently how she
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  Speaker 2: is able to curl her hair.
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  Speaker 1: The things we all learn. And then there's the pen makeup,
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  Speaker 1: which is homemade penitentiary makeup. Okay, you just heard Nate
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  Speaker 1: Eaton in his investigative glory sucking up to Colt Mom
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  Speaker 1: Laurie value. But I get it. Why I start fighting
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  Speaker 1: or fighting with her at the beginning. At least get
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  Speaker 1: some answers out of her before you alienate her. Let's
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  Speaker 1: take a listen to Nate Eaton getting the behind Bars
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  Speaker 1: interview with Colt Mom Laurie Valo.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, you told me years ago Chad was the best
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  Speaker 2: man you've ever met.
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  Speaker 4: Dad is a very kind person. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Is that still true? Yes? So besides his spirituality, what
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  Speaker 2: else attracts you to Chad?
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  Speaker 5: He's a wonderful person. Everyone who knows him knows that
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  Speaker 5: you've never met him, right.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't met him other than we when we were
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  Speaker 2: in Hawaii.
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  Speaker 5: I'm saying you never met him, talk to him, interacted
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  Speaker 5: with him or no.
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  Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I'd like to hear that experience as well.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be a far ranging interview, Nate Eden,
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  Speaker 1: because what I recall of you in Hawaii is seeing
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  Speaker 1: your hand chasing along with the microphone following Colt, Mom
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  Speaker 1: and the prophet Chad Dabll. You know what, the things
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  Speaker 1: that are done in the name of Christ, it's painful
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  Speaker 1: and I am certainly no biblical scholar. And the only
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  Speaker 1: way if I do get into heaven, Nate, is because
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  Speaker 1: the Lord loves the sinner. Okay, I'm just putting it
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  Speaker 1: out there. But the things that have been done in
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  Speaker 1: some twisted and warped interpretation of what Christ said is
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  Speaker 1: just amazing. But you know what, I'm going to leave
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  Speaker 1: that up to Christ and God, whoever she is that said.
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  Speaker 1: Your hand was omnipresent in Hawaii, chasing down cult Mom
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  Speaker 1: and the prophet Chad dabil but they would never answer
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  Speaker 1: your questions. You chased them like a doberman, but they
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  Speaker 1: never answered. Do you remember, Oh?
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  Speaker 2: I remember? I remember, Nancy. I was talking with you
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  Speaker 2: about it the very next day after that happened. And
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  Speaker 2: that's why I've wanted to ask all these years. I
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  Speaker 2: did go on to ask her, why didn't you just
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  Speaker 2: tell me where the children were Why didn't you just
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  Speaker 2: tell me? And she said that she was not ready
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  Speaker 2: to talk. Now I knew that Laurie was going to
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  Speaker 2: take me down the rabbit hole of religion, of God,
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  Speaker 2: of Christ is what you were saying. And so that's
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  Speaker 2: why I wanted to get the spirituality questions concerning Chad
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  Speaker 2: out of the way. But notice Nancy, when I said
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  Speaker 2: what else do you like about him? All she could
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  Speaker 2: say is he's a wonderful person. She didn't say he
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  Speaker 2: was handsome, she didn't say, you know, we like to
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  Speaker 2: play games together or go on adventures. That's it. That's
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  Speaker 2: the only quality she could say that she likes in
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  Speaker 2: chat is that he's a wonderful person and that he's
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  Speaker 2: a kind person.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's interesting. I've met your beautiful wife,
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  Speaker 1: and I know that you would have many many things
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  Speaker 1: to say about her as to why you think she
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  Speaker 1: is so incredible. Same thing with my husband, number one,
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  Speaker 1: he's an amazing father. Right of course, whenever I come
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  Speaker 1: home from being out of town, it looks like the
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  Speaker 1: bears have lived there, and I'm like, what happened? He goes, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: they're alive. I might yes, that much is true, but
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  Speaker 1: he's actually a great father. He's funny, he's even keeled,
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  Speaker 1: which is really important for me. And he's super smart.
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  Speaker 1: But the funny part is the thing I like the most.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I could just keep on going. But it's
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  Speaker 1: interesting that all she said was he's a wonderful person.
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what she thinks of him now
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  Speaker 2: because they haven't been able to communicate and a today
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  Speaker 2: haven't spoken had a real conversation in five years, since
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  Speaker 2: the morning that those bodies were found in his yard.
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  Speaker 2: And he called her terrified, and he said they're searching
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  Speaker 2: the house and she said, what the house? And he said, no,
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  Speaker 2: the property is if she knew the police were going
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  Speaker 2: to find her children buried in the backyard, that's the
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  Speaker 2: last time they've had any sort of conversation, Nancy, And
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  Speaker 2: that was back in twenty twenty, she insisted, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if you're gonna play this. Later, she insisted
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  Speaker 2: that both of them will be exonerated. I said, will
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  Speaker 2: that be before he's executed her?
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  Speaker 1: After?
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  Speaker 2: As she said before, Nate. She was very snippy with
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  Speaker 2: that answer, and she promised. I said, we'll follow up
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  Speaker 2: every year on your birthday to see if that exoneration
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  Speaker 2: has happened, and she said it will not be twenty
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  Speaker 2: or thirty years. I can tell you that I will
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  Speaker 2: not be in prison for twenty or thirty years. So
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  Speaker 2: we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace. You mentioned earlier how you
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  Speaker 1: asked her, Hey, why don't you just tell me? In Hawaii?
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  Speaker 1: When I was saying, hey, where are the children? Where
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  Speaker 1: are the children? And I'm about to play her answer
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  Speaker 1: about how she was so traumatized. The truth is she
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  Speaker 1: didn't answer because they were dead and buried. Let's hear
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  Speaker 1: Nate eaton quest question coult mom on the Hawaii let
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  Speaker 1: me say bait and switch.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, can we go back to Hawaii when I first
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  Speaker 2: met you and Chad and.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't meet. You just put a microphone in my face.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now we have met, we have met. You're right,
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  Speaker 2: why didn't you just tell me where the kids were?
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  Speaker 5: Because I was not ready to talk about it at
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  Speaker 5: all at that point. I was just not ready. It
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  Speaker 5: was very traumatic and I was not ready for any
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  Speaker 5: of that.
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  Speaker 2: Are you ready to talk now?
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  Speaker 4: I have talked about it already.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay. She wasn't ready to talk about her children.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm certainly no go by, but if anybody
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  Speaker 1: even says children or daughter or son or twin, I'm
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  Speaker 1: like all over it. In fact, I have to make
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  Speaker 1: myself stop talking about them because really probably nobody else cares,
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  Speaker 1: obviously not as much as I do. So they don't
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  Speaker 1: want to hear all that. To say she was too
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  Speaker 1: traumatized to talk about it. Okay, what is her truth?
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  Speaker 1: That's total bs right, that's when people say, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to tell my truth. There's only one truth. Okay, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't change. Ever, facts can be added to it, but
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  Speaker 1: the truth doesn't change. So when it's all said and done,
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  Speaker 1: what is her story about what happened to her children?
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  Speaker 1: Let's say it out loud, JJ and Tiley. They're dead, tilely,
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  Speaker 1: burned down to nothing but some flesh and fat in
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  Speaker 1: a bucket, singed as what was left of her. JJ
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  Speaker 1: was more hermetically sealed like a mummy, still wearing his
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  Speaker 1: little pajamas he had on, and she said her brother
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  Speaker 1: took him from her apartment. So what is her story
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  Speaker 1: about what happened to JJ and Tyley?
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, it's somewhat offensive, Nancy. She says that in so
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  Speaker 2: many words putting the pieces together, that Tyley accidentally killed
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  Speaker 2: JJ and then felt so bad about it that she
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  Speaker 2: then took her own life, and that Alex, her brother,
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  Speaker 2: then didn't want Laurie to be so tra traumatized, so
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  Speaker 2: he took care of the bodies. Now, besides being offensive
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  Speaker 2: to her daughter, blaming this all on her daughter, it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense. The timeline doesn't make sense. JJ died first,
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  Speaker 2: or excuse me, Tyley died first. Tiley disappeared first two
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  Speaker 2: or three weeks before JJ. So if she died first,
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  Speaker 2: how did she then kill JJ. Laurie argued and said,
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  Speaker 2: that's not the timeline. Well, that's the evidence. That's all
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  Speaker 2: what the evidence showed, with cell phone pings and photographs
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  Speaker 2: and Alex Cox staying busy. So it doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to say she's making it up as
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  Speaker 2: she goes, because this is a series of events that
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  Speaker 2: she had relayed to people a few years ago. But
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  Speaker 2: she seems to become more and more entrenched that this
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  Speaker 2: is what happened. As for the death of her four thousand.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, question, Nate Ayton for those just joining us, could
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  Speaker 1: you slowly explain again? And it has changed a little
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  Speaker 1: bit her version of what really happened to JJ and Tyly.
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  Speaker 2: Tyly accidentally killed JJ, Laurie believes, or says she then
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  Speaker 2: Tyley then felt so bad about it she took her
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  Speaker 2: own life and then to Laurie from all of this tragedy,
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  Speaker 2: Her brother Alex disposed of the bodies and told Laurie
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  Speaker 2: they're in a safe place, and then Laurie learned about
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  Speaker 2: their conditions when she went to trial. She claims she
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  Speaker 2: didn't know how bad the bodies were. I mean again,
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  Speaker 2: it just is so incredibly offensive to blame your daughter
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  Speaker 2: who was killed as you described in such honest terms. There,
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  Speaker 2: that is what she says happened. Now, how did Charles
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  Speaker 2: Valo die Well, she says it was self defense and
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  Speaker 2: a family tragedy. How did Tammy da Bell die in
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  Speaker 2: natural causes? She said, even though the coroner who did
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  Speaker 2: originally say natural causes came back a medical examiner and
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  Speaker 2: said no, she was asphyxiated. There was bruises on her
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  Speaker 2: arms like she had been held down, and they said
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  Speaker 2: that she died in her own bed. So it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: make sense a Nancy, But that's the story that Laurie's telling.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of Nate Eton with Caultmam
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  Speaker 1: Laurie Vala behind bars.
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  Speaker 2: But you still love him absolutely, and you've said you'll
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  Speaker 2: be exonerated.
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  Speaker 4: And he will too, absolutely?
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  Speaker 2: Will Will that be before he's executed?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Nate, before he's executed. But you're well aware.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I know that you are lds as well
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  Speaker 5: as I am, right, and you're well aware that the
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  Speaker 5: three n fights in third twenty eight were given the
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  Speaker 5: death penalty seven times. They were arrested after Jesus personally
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  Speaker 5: translated them. Okay, they were given they were arrested, convicted
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  Speaker 5: and given the death penalty seven times.
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  Speaker 4: And where are they today?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: They're still wandering the earth.
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  Speaker 5: They didn't get executed, so they didn't get the death penalty.
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  Speaker 5: And there's two hundred and twenty people in this country
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  Speaker 5: who have been on death row and have been exonerated
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  Speaker 5: and gone home.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what is she talking about?
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  Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. I don't know, Nancy, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. She says that that she and I share
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  Speaker 2: a faith. I do not share that faith with her.
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  Speaker 2: I do not share those beliefs with her. I have
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  Speaker 2: never heard of what she's talking about. As you can tell,
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  Speaker 2: she is obsessed with religion. She was diagnosed by six
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  Speaker 2: or seven psychiatrists with a religious delusion disorder that she believes,
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  Speaker 2: or at least says, she believes that her and Chads
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  Speaker 2: are these gods and goddesses and that they have an
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  Speaker 2: assignment from God to gather. And at one point in
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  Speaker 2: the interview she tried to and we may get there,
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  Speaker 2: but she tried to tell me that I was comparable
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  Speaker 2: to the movie Evan Almighty, who a reporter who turns
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  Speaker 2: into a politician who is then told by God to
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  Speaker 2: gather people and build an arc. And so he builds
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  Speaker 2: an arc kind of like Noah. He gathers the animal
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  Speaker 2: and sells And Laurie tells me, you need to get
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  Speaker 2: on the boat, Nate, you need to get on the boat,
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  Speaker 2: and that way I can teach you. So she sees
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  Speaker 2: herself as a god, a goddess, someone who's designed to
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  Speaker 2: gather and get followers.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Convinced that Dave Bail the prophet will not be
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  Speaker 1: executed and that they will both be exonerated. She seems
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  Speaker 1: to think in the near future, but you know, nay eaton.
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  Speaker 1: I often use this saying when you don't know a horse.
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  Speaker 1: Look at her track record. She also said the end
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  Speaker 1: of the world was coming, and that a certain number
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and eighteen thousand I believe it was people.
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  Speaker 2: One hundred and forty five hundred and forty.
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  Speaker 1: Fourth thank you, were the only ones that would go
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  Speaker 1: to eternity in heaven. Of course she was going to
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  Speaker 1: be one, and that she would be leading them to heaven.
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  Speaker 1: Now hasn't that date come and gone?
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  Speaker 2: It was July twentieth of twenty twenty. That was the
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  Speaker 2: original date that Chad said. I asked her about that
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  Speaker 2: or about you know, she Nancy. I know on good
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  Speaker 2: authority that she repeatedly said during her trial in Idaho
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  Speaker 2: that the Lord would come before the end of her
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  Speaker 2: trial and free her. People have told me that in
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  Speaker 2: the know, and so I asked her about that, and
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  Speaker 2: she said, I never set a date. We've never set
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  Speaker 2: a date. And then she said the Lord's timing, and
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  Speaker 2: the Lord's timing one day is one thousand years, so
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  Speaker 2: when you say soon, it's relative. So the issue with
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  Speaker 2: Laurie Valo day Bell is that even if you believe
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  Speaker 2: she's telling you a straight out fact, you have to
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  Speaker 2: question it because a lot of times it is not
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  Speaker 2: a fact. So she denied that she ever gave a date,
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  Speaker 2: But we have court documents that say Chad Dave Bell
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  Speaker 2: and she were saying the world was going to end
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  Speaker 2: in July of twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: You know who. I think very often we not us,
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  Speaker 1: but gets lost in the sauce, and that's Tammy Day Bell.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's because we gravitate toward the children victims.
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  Speaker 1: All right, but Tammy Day Bell was brutally murdered, coldly
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  Speaker 1: murdered in her sleep. What exactly did the medical examiner
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  Speaker 1: say happened to Tammy Daymail?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the first the coroner, who is an elected official,
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  Speaker 2: and in Idaho, when you're a coroner, you don't have
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  Speaker 2: to have any training. I could run for a corner
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  Speaker 2: and be elected. And the corner was brand new in
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  Speaker 2: her office and responded to the scene, and Chad was upset.
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  Speaker 2: The children were crying, and so the coroner said ruled
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  Speaker 2: it originally as natural causes. Tammy died on a Tuesday
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  Speaker 2: or on a Saturday, and she was buried. Funeral was Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he they they and transported to another state
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  Speaker 2: to Burrier. Chad was in a rush to get the
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  Speaker 2: funeral done, even though family members were coming from out
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  Speaker 2: of town. And then three weeks later, you know, Nancy hurt,
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  Speaker 2: Laurie and Chatter married in Hawaii. Then they exhumed Tammy's
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: body after all of the children were reported missing and
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: all of these things you know, were coming up mysterious,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: and the medical examiner then changed the cause of death
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: from natural causes to as phixie. Of course, Laurie was
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: obsessed with the fact that it was originally ruled natural causes,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: and then once Laurie and Chad were under investigation, suddenly
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: they had to change it to get her on something,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: to get her and Chad arrest them on something. So
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: she says it was natural causes. But that night that
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Dave Bell died, Cox's phone was parked or pinned at
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: a church right by Chad's house for an hour or so,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: during the hour that they believe Tammy died, so it's
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: quite possible Chad day Bell picked him up, took him
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: to the house. They both killed her. It's a two
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: person job. One person holds Tammy down, the other smothers
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: her or asphyxiates her, and then Alex Cox left the
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: house and drove away, or at least his phone was
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: on the move. It'd be great to ask Alex Cox
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: all of these questions. But he died the day after
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Tammy Dave Bell was a zoomed. I asked Laurie if
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: she and Chad had anything to do with his death,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: and she said no, it was a surprise to them
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: and that death was ruled a heart issue. But there's
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of questions.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well so is Tammy Day Bells. Tammy Day Bells
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: rual natural causes too, And you know what, I know
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna like it, and I don't like saying it,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: but it's the truth that got screwed up. And I'm
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: speaking mildly. Don't make excuses for the coroner calling it
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: natural causes. The coroner did not do his job, and
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: that has fed in to call my Lori Valo's theory
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: that this was all a setup. That's on the corner.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I don't care if he was new, I don't care.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: There's no excuse, and it has caused a lot of problems.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: You know about the Ellen Greenberg case, right, the corner
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: change is really from homicide to suicide. See how many
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: problems that's caused. And it's still going on now fourteen
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: years later because of a bad cod cause of death ruling.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: So you know, I don't have any tolerance for screwing
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: up your job and causing a lot of pain and
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: a heartache for years to come and we're still hearing
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: about it right now. That screw up by the coroner
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: that said Tammy day Bell was as healthy as a horse.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: She just ran in a marathon for Pete's sake. And
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: there's so many things that alluded to her death, like
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Chad Dave Bell being clairvoyant and having a vision that
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Tammy was going to die a SBS. It's just like
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: oj Simpson and Scott Peterson being clairvoyant. No, they killed,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: they killed He killed Nicole Brown Simpson did, and Scott
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Peterson murdered Lacy Peterson and said Dave Bell was not clairvoyant.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: He murdered Timmy day Bell. He even sent her on
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: an hours and hours long trek to visit relatives and
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: friends for the last time because he knew he was
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: going to kill her. Total BS, isn't it true? Nate
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Eaton that while Tammy day Bell was still living before
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: her untimely asphyxiation death. That Calman Laurie Valle went online
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and ordered her calt mom's wedding dress, Chad day Bell's
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: groom outfit, and even got a ring online to Mary
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Chad day Bell in Hawaii before Tammy was murdered, and
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: then shortly thereafter, lo and behold Tammy's dead, right, So
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: she's clairvoyant too, and you're all clairvoyant.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: She ordered it on her dead husband's Amazon account, Charles
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Valow's Amazon account, and had it shifted to Idaho, where
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Laurie was living. Don't forget, Nancy, that ten days before
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Tammy died, she returned home from an evening out with
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: some ladies, got out of the car and there was
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: a gunman in her driveway, pointed pointing a large semi
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: automatic rifle at her. Tammy at the time thought it
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: was a paintball gun because the person was firing and
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: it was giving a whosh noise and nothing came out.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Tammy screamed, the gunman run away, ran away, and then
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: they ended up calling nine one one. And at the
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: time this was a very rural Idaho Nancy, I mean,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: this is the middle of nowhere. Stuff like this does
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: not happen. We learned during the trial that alex Cox
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: or his phone at least was stationed at a place
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: near tammy Day Bell's home, and that he had been
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: by ammunition and been to a firing range and had
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: all these weapons in his garage. And tammy Day Bell
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: did not park in the place she normally parked. She
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: parked in the other driveway, and so it's likely he
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: had to run across the lawn as he was running
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: that gun. There's pins inside that gun that got jostled,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: and thus it didn't cause it to fire. Had she
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: parked where she normally parked, she could have been shot
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: to death in her driveway, with whether the gunman being
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: you know, just feet away from her. But it didn't happen.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: So when that didn't happen, Chad Day Bell, alex coxlri
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Valo had to come up with another plan to get
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: rid of tammy Day Bell. And ten days later, as
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: you mentioned, she was healthy, she'd been to zumba classes,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: she had been moving heavy boxes of books around the school,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: she was a librarian. Everything was fine, everything was fine,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: and then she dies in her sleep.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Here is a portion of Nate eton Easodaho News dot
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: COM's interview the exclusive interview with coltmom Laurie Valo, where
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: she tries to defend the prophet Chad Davel blaming her
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: for the murders at trial.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Listen, So you think Chad they had to come up
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: with a defense just to have one in court. You
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: don't think he really believed or blamed all of this.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: On you and Alex absolutely, And I know that for
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: a fact because John Pryor came and told me that
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: prior to trial.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: He did.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: He said, this is going to be our defense.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: He said, I'm going to blame you, and Chad doesn't
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: want me to and I want you he wants you
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: to know that. And this is the kind of stuff
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: that goes on behind the scenes that nobody sees.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: That nobody knows what's going on.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: There's so much stuff going on that you wouldn't even
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: believe all the things that go on.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: So is that supposed to be a good thing for
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Chad Dabel? Does that make him a better person? Because he,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: according to coltmom, lied in court and blamed her while
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: secretly he didn't want to because it wasn't true. Whatever
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: happened to the truth. So does that somehow mollify her
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: that her husband lied and blamed her in court but
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: didn't want.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: To Well, that's I guess, So I guess that brings
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: her comfort. This is the woman that was so upset
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: that things were not going her way that she became
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: her own attorney in Arizona for two trials, her fourth
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: husband and the attempted murder of her nephew former nephew.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: And we saw how that turned out. The jury came
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: back on both of those cases in less than an hour,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: having a verdict. So you know, she lives in her
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: own little world, Nancy. She does her own thing, and
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: she's convinced herself that is the truth, or at least
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: that's what she is saying publicly, that her husband still
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: loves her, still stands by her. She became so upset
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget when her attorneys during closing arguments in
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Idaho called Chad da Bell's books stupid to the jury.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: They said she got caught up in a guy who
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: wrote a bunch of stupid books. Laurie became so upset
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: she started to cry. She refused to talk to her attorney.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: She said how dare you call my husband's books stupid?
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't even look at the attorney. And when they finally
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: threw a little bit of shade at Chad, they finally
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: went after him, just a tiny bit. She was not
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: happy with that. Yet in Chad's trial they threw her
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: and Alex under the bus in what way didn't matter
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: because they were guilty on all accounts. They said that
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Laurie got caught up or had that Chad got caught
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: up with Lourie, that she was the instigator in this,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: that Alex did all the dirty work, and that Chad
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: just was living his life and you know, had an
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: affair with a woman and he didn't know these people
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: were dying, and Tammy died naturally. Amy just you know,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: may have had a heart issue, or may have may
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: have never been to the doctor, or I mean, all
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: sorts of defenses that at the end of the day
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: didn't matter because the jury came back with inverting.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Nate Ayton, you do know
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: that asphyxiation, in my opinion, is one of the easiest
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: CODs to prove, the easiest. Uh you will have burst
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: PARTICII in the eyeballs, where the blood make it's cut
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: off from here up and the vessels explode in the eyes.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: You'll have sometimes bruising, bruising or reddening around the mouth.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: There's very often marks on the throat. It's really easy
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: in most cases to determine if someone has been asphyxiated suffocated,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: and there's many modes of asphyxiation. It can be a
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: ligature or manual strangulation. It could be suffocation by a pillow.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: For instance. I had one case where a woman had
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: a one of those transparent laundry bags that they put
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: over your clothes at the dry cleaner put over her
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: head and she was asphyxiated that way. How do I
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: know that? Because tiny particles of the plastic bag were
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: still up in her nose and on her mouth where
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: she tried to breathe through it. So you can be
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: asphyxiated in many ways, but the telltale signs are always there.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: So there's really no question in my mind about how
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Tammy Dabel was murdered. Speaking of his as the lawyer said,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: stupid books, they're all freaky. One foot in the grave
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: martial law. Doug's dilemma escaped to Zion, the Keys of
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the Kingdom, reclaiming liberty, the renewed Earth. What happened to
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: the earth was it destroyed, evading Babylon, The Rise of Zion,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Days of Fury, the Great Gathering. I guess that's the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: one hundred and forty four thousand, the exclusive ones that
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: get to go to Heaven. You know, that's a completely
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: different story that I heard in the New Testament. Of course, again,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I'm no biblical scholar, but I got hope for the
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: New Testament that even losers like me and Paul aka
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Saul and all of the disciples who were just basically
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: day laborers, if they're going to get to go, why
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: do you have to be one of the one hundred
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and forty four thousand elite. I mean, I don't get it.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: But his books are way out there.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't the best selling our author, Nancy. They
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: said in court that at most he was making maybe
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars a year from selling these books. I asked, Laurie,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: how did you go to Hawaii and stay in this
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: million dollar condo These million dollar condo complex is very
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: beautiful gated community. Who paid for that? And she said
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Chad dave Bell paid for it. I said, Chad Dabell
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: made thirty thousand dollars a year and the only way
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: that he could pay for it was Tammy day Bell's
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: life insurance money. And the day after Tammy died on
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: a Saturday, the Monday first thing, he's at the school
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: district asking how to cash out on his wife's life
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: insurance policy. They conveniently, they had upped to the maximum
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: amount a month earlier, and he was able to get
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: the four hundred thousand dollars from her life insurance policy.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: So it doesn't make sense. Laurie dave Bell claims that
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: she and Tammy were friends and that Chad's okay with it,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: that Tammy comes and visits her in jail and that
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: you know, all is.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Well, Tammy, I mean Tammy visits her in jail dead.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Tammy, Yeah, comes in Caesar, that JJ and Tyley visit
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: her daily, that they're healthy and fine, and that you know,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: they're okay with what she's done and they have no
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: issue with her. That it's just us on the outside
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: that don't really see she's done.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: So they say that she did.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I guess what she says that she didn't do anything,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: but what's happened with her, the fact that she's in
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: jail and all of that. She says that they're fine
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: with it, that they love her.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Now Here is called Montmory Valo talking about a million
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: dollar expert witness.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: We got this expert. We paid them a million dollars
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: to say the opposite of whatever.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Your expert's going to say.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: Like, what do you mean they paid them? The state
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: paid an expert a million dollars retainer to say whatever,
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: the opposite of what our state in Idaho was what
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: our witness is going to say. And the attorneys told
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: me this, and I'm like, are you kidding?
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Like you didn't have any witnesses?
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: We did, Yeah, in the build up we did.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Again, Nancy, there's another thing that doesn't.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Build sense, But that million dollar witness didn't come to trial.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, And there was no there
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: was never a million dollar witness on a retainer that
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: the prosecution had some mental health experts who know about
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: religious delusions on standby in case Laurie used that as
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: a defense, but it wasn't going to be a million dollars.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: And this was in response to a question I asked
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: is to why didn't you put on a defense. She
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: said that if she would have, the state had set
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: this all up, that there was this narrative and that
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: they would have, you know, paid people to testify against her. Again,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense, and so I said, well, you
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: didn't call any witnesses at any of your trials. We
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: never heard from one witness. She never took the stand.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Laurie never did, even when she was representing herself. And
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I think it's because Laurie likes to be in control.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Laurie does not want to see control to anybody. And
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: even in this interview, Nancy repeatedly she tried to talk
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: over me. She dodged the question. You can see when
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: she walked in, she shook my hand with both hands,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: you know, a power handshake, and then she sat down
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: and I wished her happy birthday and immediately moved to Chad,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: and she pivoted back to, yeah, it is my birthday.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: How well do you think I am? The ladies in
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: here think I'm twenty five, but I'm really you know,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: she tries to control everything. Had she taken the stand,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: she would not have been in control. When the prosecution
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: asked her questions, so she never did. So this is
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: a way for her to kind of share her version
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: of events. And I don't know if we're going to
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: get there, Nancy, but she says she's every day she
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: sits in her cell writing books of scripture that will
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: one day be public and we will all read them
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: as scripture. I'll send you a copy.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, Actually I would love to read. What she says
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: is the truth. Of course it all belies. And speaking
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: of a scapegoat, she has blamed her own daughter Tilely
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: for Tilie's death and JJ's death. She blames natural causes
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: and a conspiracy cover up for Tammy Dabell's murder. But
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: now she's blaming not only the judicial system but the media.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: And I guess that's you, Nate.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Listen, you said that this has all been a family tragedy. Yes,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: and it has been a huge tragedy. Absolutely, four jurys
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: have said you and Chad and Alex caused the tragedy.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the judicial system.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: But how do you argue with that if all of
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: this evidence came out that showed you know that, you check.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: The only evidence that ever came out is the evidence
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: state wanted to put forth. They manipulate the evidence to
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: make it look however they want.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: And guess who helps them. The media helped.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: How do you feel knowing it's all your fault. I
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: guess it's your fault. She was convicted in your fault
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: that at least three people, excuse me, four people are
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: dead well shell.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: After she was arrested in Hawaii, I know on good authority,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: she they transferred her back to Idaho on a plane.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: She was on the very back road of the plane.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: She was handcuffed. They had her in normal clothes so
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: that she wouldn't stick out. She was surrounded by officers
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: who were in normal clothes. Looked like an average person.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: But people were quickly spread on the plane that Lori
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Valoda Bell was on that flight. Remember her kids were
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: still missing. We didn't know anything that we know now,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: just that her kids were missing and she wasn't talking.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: People started to walk toward the back of the plane
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: with their phones and kind of take photos of her,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: and Laurie said to one of the officers, all of
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: this is because of Nate Eaton, because of that moment
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: in Hawaii when I shoved that microphone in her face.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: This has been a narrative. She talks about narratives. This
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: has been her narrative that she has said that it's
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: the media's fault. Yet yet she has communicated with me
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: for five years, was willing to sit down to do
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: a Jelhouse interview. So it's like she says she hates
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: the media, Nancy, but every time she sees a camera
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: she has hair and makeup on and turns and smiles
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: and seems to enjoy it.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Speaking of the narrative, here's her as you call it narrative.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I call it a lie about what happened to Tylie
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: and JJ.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: What's false about oh my gosh everything?
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Your children were found dead in Chad's backyard. That's not wrong.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: That's Higley was chopped up and burned. That's not wrong.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: No, that's all mixed up.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: That was nice. I saw photos of JJ wrapped in
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: plastic and duct tape. That wasn't wrong.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: Okay, I understand what you're saying of those facts. Those
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: facts in and of themselves are wrapped around a whole
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: lot of untruth.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Okay. That sounds like Bayes because she never does say
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: what is quote wrong with those facts? But there's more
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: about the narrative.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Listen, So, if Tyler killed JJ and then felt bad
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: and committed suicide, how did she die first? She didn't,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: She shouldn't.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: That's part of their whole fake narrative. That's part that's
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: part of everything that they were doing. So I don't
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: really want to get into all of those details with you,
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: because you obviously are very set in your mind.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: I'm not here to change people's minds. I want you to.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Change my mind. I'd love to hear any evidence or
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: facts you have that might make me think, you know what.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: They haven't wrong. But they haven't wrong. But I haven't
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: heard anything otherwise.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: That's because you've been pushing this narrative for five and
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: a half years. You're not telling me that your mind
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: is not set on what it is already.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: That is a story that is old. Is time. When
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: you confront someone with their lies, they can't answer. That's
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: why people don't take the stand. Did you see her
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: becoming combative and defensive if there was an innocent explanation.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: There's no innocent explanation. But if there was an explanation
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: that exonerated her and or debil she would say, look,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: this is what happened. Right, but she can't because what
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: happened is they murdered two children, they murdered a woman
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: in her sleep, and they shot down an unarmed man.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: And I am not convinced that Joseph Ryan died of
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: natural causes. His body was already decomposing when he was
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: found dead, and then he was immediately cremated at her insistence.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not convinced Ryan died of a natural death, but
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: that's another can of worms. Describe what you were thinking
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: when she was refusing to give an answer.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't to be honest, expecting her to be
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: honest with me. It would have been shocking if she said,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: you're right, you know, this is what happened, or even
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: as you said, give some sort of sentence idea that
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: might plausibly make sense, but it doesn't make sense. It
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense, and she, you know, has convinced
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: herself that it's not making sense, and that she is
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: the one that knows better than everybody. What's interesting, Nancy is,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: during this interview, we told her we would air it unedited,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: we weren't going to take any breaks, and it was
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: forty minutes. She wanted two hours. She wanted one hour
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: on one day and one hour the next. That jail said,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: you get forty minutes. She said, well, we'll try to
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: get it all in. She had a lit dividems she
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: wanted to talk about. So we're about fifteen minutes into
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the interview and her paralegal arrived late, and so we
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: did need to pause while the paralegal came in the
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: room and got situated, but we kept our cameras rolling
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: and we were in the middle of a heated exchange
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: when I said, do we need to pause for a moment,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: And the paralegal came in and Laurie instantly dropped her
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: guard and asked if I had a good time in
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Hawaii when I saw her, And I said, why did
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: we didn't even go on the beach? She goes, why,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: I said, we were too busy chasing you. She goes,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I went to the beach, you chased me on the beach.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: It was as if she didn't care, and she saw
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: this more as a show. And then once her paralegal
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: was situated and ready, the conversation went from here to
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: here again. She jumped right back into that you know,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: heated moment. So I don't know if it's acting. I
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: don't know, if it's her putting on a show. I
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's really her her convictions deep down,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: but you know she she's She's one that I won't forget.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Obviously, now we hear called mom Laurie Valo comparing herself
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: to biblical heroes.
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: Listen, So in twenty seventeen, I was told by the
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: Lord that I was going to become like Job and
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: lose everything. Will I do this job if I lose everything?
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Really? Okay, correct me if I'm wrong. But in the end,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: didn't Job get everything and more given to him by
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: the Lord? Isn't that the way that turned out?
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I think what That's what Laurie thinks might
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: be happening, or at least that's what she says will happen.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: This is another thing that this happened in twenty seventeen,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: she says. Her family, members, her friends, none of them
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: are call her ever telling anybody this that this was
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: going to happen. She told me during the interview that
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: she died during childbirth. She her family and friends say,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: we've never heard that story where you would think if
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: someone died delivering a baby Nancy, people would know about
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: it and then came back to life, you and everybody
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: would know it was a very traumatic childbirth, you know,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: near fatal. She never told anybody about this, but now
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: she's starting to tell these stories that she says happened
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: to her, and their news to many people and more.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Well, listen, and nobody was asking me what's happening. Nobody asked.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: I tried top Well, would you have listened? Then you
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: have to absolutely, I wish you. You need to be
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: on the boat, Nate. Are you on the boat yet?
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: Because when you're on the boat, Nate, I am going
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: to be happy to share all this stuff with you
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: because miracles are on the way. I want to miracles are.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: On the way, and when you're on the boat.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: That's why I sent you that that last message. Well,
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: I sent you the last message saying when you're on
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: the boat, you'll be ready night.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Are you on the boat?
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: What?
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: But this is the Noah's arcs well comparable to Noah's Ark.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Nancy again she thinks that that movie Evan Almighty, the
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: reporter who becomes Noah, that I'm somehow that guy, and
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: that I need to get on the boat. The arc
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: because the world's going to end. And once I'm on
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: the boat, Laurie can teach me of her ways. Once
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: we shared this interview, I had many people who wrote
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: me and said, Nate, do not get on that boat.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Do not go anywhere near that boat. So Nancy, if
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: you see me building an arc, please come and save me.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Please don't get on the boat. Do not get on
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: the boat. You know how to swim right, swim first. Okay,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: there's more, And this is a really interesting moment in
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: your interview with Colt. Mom, Laurie Valo. Listen, you say,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Jesus is your friend.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: Absolutely?
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Does he support cheating on your spouse?
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: We weren't cheating.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Does he support killing your husband?
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: I didn't kill anybody ever.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Killing your kids.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: I didn't kill anybody killing your boyfriend's wife.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: Okay, was I in Hawaii when Tammy died? How did
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: I kill her? Are you going to explain that to
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: the world now?
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Man, If she's crazy, she's crazy like a fuck. She
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: knows those facts backwards and forwards and can whip them
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: out in her defense. But you did get her very
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: discombobulated when you accused her of cheating. And how would
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: christ feel about that. I'm not going to even bring
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: up the woman at the well to you right now,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: but that said that really put a stick up her
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: rear end.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she says we weren't cheating. In fact, she says
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: that she was with Tammy and Chad a few times together,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: all three of them. Yet close friends have told me
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: that Tammy and Laurie never met. So again, we have
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: a false comparison here. But Laurie said she didn't kill anyone,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: didn't cheat. I mean, you could list the ten commandments, Nancy,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: and I think Laurie's broken most of them. If she's
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: true to her faith. You go down that list, and
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: most of them have been broken by her. And I'm
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: not one to judge, like you said, you're not judging.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: But she she oh, I'm totally judging. I don't have
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: a leg to stand on, of course, but I am
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: totally She killed them. I know she killed them, the children.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: She had a hand in that, and a hand in
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: the murder of Tammy Daybell, and a hand in the
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: matter of Valo, her husband, Charles Valo. Yeah, I'm calling
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: it right.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: And it came out during trial Nancy that Laurie would
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: tell her friends she would. She would take her hand
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: if something were to happen, and she'd say, doesn't count
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: for me, doesn't apply to me having an affair. Why
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: don't you just divorce Charles and Mary Chad? Nope, doesn't
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: count for me, as if she had already been exalted.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: She was living this higher law, this bigger purpose, and
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: so that's how everything could be justified it. Oh, doesn't
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: doesn't doesn't count for her. It counts for all of us,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: but not for her.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, night, Ayton, could you explain something. What does this mean?
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's just something she would do. She would
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: she would tap, tap her hand or tap her counter
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: and say, doesn't count for me. She that was just
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: one thing she'd do, just tap twice. I don't know
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: what it means. But there were her friends who testified
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: that she would slap her hand and say it doesn't
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: count for me.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: And there's more about her cult, Mam Laurie Valle, using
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: her children's money after they're dead.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Using your kid's money while they're dead.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, all that is messed up to.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: How did you run that unit in Hawaii?
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: That's what Chad rented it.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't have any money until Tommy died.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: Chad rented it with his own money. Chad was an
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: author and a publisher and had his own company.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: So that's what I'm saying. Year, No, but you're getting
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: up facts that you don't. You're giving up whatever the
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: state put up.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: What is she saying? Did you see her look away
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: when you confronted her.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: She was looking at her investigator who was sitting right here,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: the defense investigator, who she repeatedly looked at. Now, he
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: was not prompting her. I think she just does that
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: as a kind of a secure already banger for reassurance.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: But night, Chad day night. People do that when they're
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: lying or when they're trying to think out what to say.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Like I'm looking at you right now. If you asked
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: me a question and I don't like the truth, I
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: go and I have to think up an answer. That's
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: what she's doing. She's looking away from the question.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's true. And that was a question that
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: she couldn't answer because Chad didn't have money. You know
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: who supported that family, Tammy as a school librarian, making
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: twelve dollars an hour. I don't remember the exact amount,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: but it was not a lot of money part time,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: and Chad's writing these books that nobody's buying. Suddenly Charles
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Valo is shot and they think they're getting a million dollars.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: They didn't. But then Tammy Dabel dies and they've got
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: half a million dollars almost coming into them. And then
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: they're getting money from Tyley and from JJ's death. She
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: continued to collect on those things, on those moneies long
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: after her kids had died, so money became a big
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: part of this trial. She says that the state eight
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: presented evidence, crafted a narrative, and that only their version
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: of events went out. When I asked why didn't you
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: present a defense? Why didn't you present evidence? She couldn't answer.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Now you asked her about Chad Dave Bail as a
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: prophet and their predictions of the end of time.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Listen, when you were on trial in Idaho, didn't you
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: say that Jesus was going to be back before the
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: end of that trial?
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Okay? Who said I said that?
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I'm asking you. Did you say, absolutely not?
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: I have never, Chad has never.
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: We've never given a date or a time the prophet
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: July twentieth. Somebody made that up and put it on there.
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: I have never said it. Chad has never said it.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: We've never had a date.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody made it up, all right, her and day Bail.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: They made it up. Okay, there's more. Listen.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: There's always a Judas. And I almost used to think
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: of you.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: As the Judas me.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Was I in the dark list?
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: No?
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: But this is what I'm saying, there's a Judas. People
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: think that Judas is a villain. Judas is not a villain.
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: You know what Judas was.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: Judas was a vessel. Judas was a.
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: Vessel for God's plan to come to fluition. And he
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: told me the other day, it's coming to full fluition God.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, Judas is the villain. Okay, if he's forgiven,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: that's not my doing. But that said, how does it
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: feel to be called Judas? Of all things Judas?
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: What was interesting is right after that, I said, was
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I on the dark list? And she quickly said no
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: to me, she acknowledged there was a list of dark
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: and light, which she had previously denied her in chat
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: had that list of whose light and who's dark? And
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: if you were on the dark list, toward the bottom
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: you became a zombie. And the way to get rid
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: of zombies is to kill them. The only people that
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: we know of who were zombies happened to be related
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: to Chad and Laurie and needed to be disposed of
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: because they thought that there was a financial reason. But
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: you know, she's Joe, I'm Judas.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: All the zombies just happened to have life insurance policies.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Right right, yeah, you know she I asked her when
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: we wrapped up, do you have any regrets about all
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: of this? And she paused and said, that's a good question.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: And in my mind I was wondering, was she Was
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: she wondering in her mind I regret that we didn't
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: hide it better, that we didn't do this or this?
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Or was she wondering I regret that this all happened period.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but I think it was
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: the first way. If she could redo it again, they
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: would have been more careful with their cell phone evidence.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: They would have you know, took taken off the cloud,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: turned off their iCloud, things like that. I think those
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: are the regrets she has, rather than the fact that
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: these beautiful people were.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Killed and more dragging God into it.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Why did I tell all this to the police, So
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: why didn't you tell them all this when you arrested,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Explain this to them. You know, God's told me to
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: do this. Give your defense.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: Really, what happened to people and they say God tell
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: them to do something, they lock them up. Well I'm
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: locked up.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Well night Eton the exclusive interview with Caltmam Laurie Valo
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: from behind Mars. When you walked out of that room,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: what were your thoughts?
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: It was mentally exhausting. I'll tell you that I had
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: to wrap up. They gave me a wrap up, They
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: said we need to finish, so I wasn't. I had
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: fifteen note cards there that I didn't get through at all.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: But then again, Nancy, I wonder if she really if
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I would have gotten much more from her that what
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: you've played today is kind of how all of the
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: conversation went. It was exhausting, it was interesting. It was
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: one that I don't forget. I will say I haven't
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: heard from Lurie since the interview, so maybe she wasn't
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: happy with how it turned out. Maybe her tablet broke.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but we'll see if she contacts me
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: in the future.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Well, are you sorry? Do you want to hear from her?
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if i'd interview her again.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: I think if I were to interview her again, I
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: would talk with the Victimsry Woodcock, the victims of Tammy
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Day Bell, their family members. I would ask them what
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: questions they want me to ask her, because she's never
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: communicated with them, they haven't had a chance to talk
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: to her, and I would go to the jail with
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: those questions. I would say, Kay Woodcock wants to know
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: why you didn't just give JJ to her. Had they
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: given JJ to Kay and Larry, we might not have
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: known about any of this. Tammy Day Bell would have
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: been buried, it would have been natural causes. Charles Valo
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: would have been shot. Then Alex Cox died the shooter.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: That case likely would have been closed. Tyler could have
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: been reported as a runaway as an adult and they
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: maybe never would have found her, and Chad and Laurie
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: could have gone and lived their lives. Now how long
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: until they run out of money? And who becomes the
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: next victim? That would have been the question.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Last question, Natyen, did you detect any remorse at all
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: from Coltman Laurie Vale?
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: No, Nope, Nope, Maybe maybe remorse that she got caught,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of remorse that she's in jail
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: in this in Maricopa County in Arizona. She looks forward
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: to coming back to Idaho to serving her prison sentence.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: She'll be sentenced later in July. She's preparing her statement
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: that she plans to read and if it's anything like
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: the ones she gave in Idaho, it will be Jesus
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: is my friend, Jesus loves me, things like that, and
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: then they'll transfer her back to Idaho, where, according to her,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: she'll be exonerated soon. But according to the rest of us,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: she'll die. She'll die behind bars in prison.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfold. Nate Dan, thank you so
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: much for not just today, but for everything you did
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: to help uncover the truth about what happened to JJ
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: and Tyley and Tammy and Charles Valow. Thank you, and
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: good night, friend,