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Legacy Planning for Women Over 50 · Chatting with The Experts with Paula Okonneh

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Hello, hello, hello everyone, and welcome to yet another episode of Chatting
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with the Experts where I call the hosts speak with women from Africa, from
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the Caribbean, and in the diaspora.
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And these women are successful entrepreneurs and professionals.
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They share with me the mission of educating, empowering,
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and inspiring women globally.
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Today, our topic's very interesting.
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It's called The Power of the Pivot, Encore Reinvention Strategies for
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Women 50+, redefining the next chapter.
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My guest, who will be joining me in a few minutes says, gone are
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the days when turning 50 meant settling into retirement planning.
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She says, today's women over 50 are launching businesses,
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changing careers, and creating the most fulfilling chapters yet.
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She is a strategist, a speaker, and author specializing in business,
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career and life reinvention
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for women 50+.
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She's the
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author of the Encore Playbook and Methodology.
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She has helped hundreds, I almost said thousands, hundreds of women,
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transformed the second acts into the most successful chapters yet, and she
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combines practical strategy with authentic leadership instincts, empowering women
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to leverage their wisdom, resilience, and experience to build lasting
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impact and generational legacies.
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Please help me welcome to Chatting with the Experts.
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Ms Paula Washington.
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Hey, hey, hey, hey.
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Hello Paula.
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It's so nice to be on a show with you.
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Another Paula.
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It's so cool.
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Your Paula, I know, right?
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Your Paula O and Paula W. Thank you so much for having me
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. Absolutely, absolutely.
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It was thrilling when we met and I realized when we were introducing someone
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said, you know, her name is Paula too, and it's like, yes, at long last
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we can have double Paula power, right?
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Absolutely.
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Y'all better watch out.
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Coming for you today.
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Coming for you today.
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Well, I know that you said gone are the days when 10 and 50 months settling
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into retirement, you know, absolutely.
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And you know, just, you know, settling for, oh, I'm 50 and my
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years on earth are over, or my years of being fulfilling over.
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You say, that doesn't happen, or that shouldn't happen anymore.
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Let's talk about that.
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Well, you know, in my own personal journey in twenties and thirties, discovering
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who I was and experiencing downsizing and various other things that have
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happened in life and in my personal life as well, going through divorce and
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all of that at one time, I realized, wait a minute, there's gotta be more
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than life than the script I was given.
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Go to college, get married, work 30 years and retire.
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And when your life plan falls apart based on what was given to you, you
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have to kind of reinvent that and figure out, okay, what's next for me?
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So as I move forward in my career in corporate training and leadership
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development and things of that nature, I realized, wait a minute.
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I don't want what everybody said I have to have.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I need to really pivot and use the talents and the gifts that God
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gave me to manage my own time, manage my own schedule, and move forward.
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And so being forced to step up into a new realm, I created a formula called
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decade mapping where you actually map out the decades what you wanna see, where
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you are realistically, where you wanna be, and what will it take to maintain
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that lifestyle or to get to that place.
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And I realized, wow, in my fifties well, my daughter would be gone.
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I'd be an empty nester.
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Yay.
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And I would be in control of my life.
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However, along the way life happens, I was caregiving for my parents
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long-term caregiver would help my mom with my dad, and then my mom
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and my grandparents and so forth.
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And all of those in what you would call disruptions or interruptions caused
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me to look at everything differently.
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And it's not that it's over at 50, it's just beginning.
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And the number 50 means jubilee.
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So that is celebrating.
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Okay?
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So if you're in the midst of any of those situations or you're on your
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way to empty nesting, let's get planted, let's get going because
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the best really is yet to come.
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But every decade I realized.
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I was more energetic, more enthusiastic, and I was clear on who I was and
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what I wanted to do and that those roles that I had to play throughout
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life, now I dictate what's next.
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Not everyone else in every situation, in every circumstance or a job or this, or
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fear or anxiety or all of those things that chase us our whole life make us think
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we're less than or we missed the boat.
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No, we didn't miss the boat.
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We getting ready to steer the ship so.
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This is where we are.
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And so at 50, when I turned 50, it was very liberating for me.
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And then what happened?
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Then I got sick and the doctor mentioned, oh no.
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Yeah.
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And the doctor said to me, it had nothing to do with how you
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cared for yourself or anything.
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It was the culmination of what you've lived.
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So now let's go to the next stage of that and shift.
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So I did a natural process for healing for cancer and all.
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Took a, got another degree and reestablished my businesses in a
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whole different way and my life, and I found the greatest joy.
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And so now in my sixties, I look back at my fifties and I was
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like, wow, people really need to know the best is yet to come.
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And things do work out.
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May not be the way you expect.
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May not even be the way you want, but when you get on the other side of
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through, you're gonna see how you grow.
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You're gonna see the opportunities, and you're gonna know how to leverage the
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best part of you to monetize that for your next opportunity because you are actually
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now holding the pen to your own story.
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I love it because what I'm hearing from you is that life begins at 50.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes it does.
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And no matter what it throws, guess what?
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You know how to catch that ball now.
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Before it was a little rough, I'm trying to figure it out.
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In your fifties, it's like, I don't care.
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You know, whatever you do.
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And in your sixties, it's like, hmm.
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And you just keep looking in different directions because everything is
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not as urgent and as important as it was at that time because you
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didn't know where you were going.
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Now we cannot actually write down everything that's
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going to happen, but we can.
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We have the wisdom now to know the natural things that will happen
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and be prepared for those things.
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We also have the wisdom now to leverage what we know and who we are
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to show up and be the best person in the room to build those authentic
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connections and relationships where we trust others and they trust us.
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And number one, we trust ourselves.
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One of the things that I've found in coaching and working with women
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and providing, you know, different strategies and pathways for them is
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they lose trust and confidence in themselves because of the hits of life.
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Life can hit you to a degree like you wondering, wait, I don't know which way
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to go, and you're standing around, looking around like, huh, you know, and because of
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that, sometimes you don't wanna try again.
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Sometimes you don't wanna get back up again.
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And sometimes, you know, your faith gets shaken.
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You're like, God, really?
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Are you there?
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Did you walk away?
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Or, what's happening here?
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And it's just right helping you to recognize who you really are inside and
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the resilience and the power you have.
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And so when we are talking about pivoting, that's being able to move on a dime.
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And the reason we can move on a dime now because we have the wisdom
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and the hard-earned experience.
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This did not come.
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You're not gonna get it in your twenties.
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You're not gonna get it in your thirties.
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It's not gonna happen until you get to the other side where you are
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looking at what's in front of you.
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Mm-hmm.
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The years in front of you are less than the years behind you, but
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they are the most significant, they are the most powerful.
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They are the legacy years that the experience is phenomenal and only
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you are the one that can determine if that's the direction you wanna go.
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I love that.
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You know, you said something next.
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Really jumped out at me that we have to realize that the years ahead of
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us are less than the years behind us.
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But what I hear from that too is that, and the years behind us, you know, we've had
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experiences that can help us, you know.
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Exactly.
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Because many times, you know, people look, oh my gosh, I don't, I'm in
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my sixties or seventies and yeah.
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You know, statistically we don't have that many years ahead of us, but you
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can look behind and take what you learned behind and use that to prep
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up what's you experiencing right now?
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What's ahead of you.
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Exactly.
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Do you know the world?
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Exactly, because, you know, Forbes has a article that the majority
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of entrepreneurs start in their fifties and sixties for women because
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why we are no longer caregiving.
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We're no longer you know, parenting, we're out of the roles that confined
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us into a particular pathway.
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Mm-hmm.
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Those roles don't define who we are in the future, but they help shape the
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expertise, the natural talent we have, and our brilliance of intelligence to take
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that, package it and move forward with it.
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You know, now we are the chairwoman.
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We actually need to get an Oscar for our own performance.
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Yeah, I love it.
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If you make it to this stage in life, baby, you have been through some things
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and you have done some stuff, okay?
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Mm-hmm.
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And so in my on work framework, I have six pillars of reinvention.
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I have exit with intention, okay?
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So, you know, we're gonna go through transitions in life.
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And because those things are gonna happen.
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Okay, let's look at what's the next transition you wanna go through.
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Whether you wanna leave the job or you're moving to another city, or
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you're whatever it is in relationships.
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Let's outline that.
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Strategize about the best options available and put a timeline
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and a communication plan, and who's gonna be affected by that.
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Then next we go to navigate the new.
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This is charting with clarity in uncertain terms.
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In other words, after the crazy and the chaos is over and that
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we created, I happen to have been the fire in the frying pan.
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And then after cut out realize, hold up, I need to change.
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Okay.
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Because everybody else is not moving and not changes after we've owned all
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of us, and we look and the dust settles.
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Now we're moving forward into a new territory we've never been.
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You've never been 50, you've never been 60, 70, 80, 90, whatever.
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Yep.
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But the good thing about it's you've got all of those years behind you.
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So we're not come trying to recreate the past.
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We are trying to leverage that for our future.
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And the only way we can do that is through C is the commitment,
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communication, and connection.
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In order to move forward in anything in life, you have to be committed.
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You've gotta be committed to yourself and to the goals and objectives that
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you have set forth and committed to the values that you have in your life,
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your shared vision and core values in order to communicate that properly,
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to connect with other individuals.
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Because we are not an island by ourself.
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We are our best when we're with others, where we can share who we
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are and bring out the brilliance in who they are and vice versa.
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And we are building those solid, authentic relationships.
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And as we get older, we really know how to tap into that and we really
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know how to leverage those things.
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It's more important, relationships become more important because people are here
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today and may not be here tomorrow.
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So in my sixties, I'm looking at, you know, when I had all these family
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members pass away five years ago and they were all in their nineties and you
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know, from 89 to 97 and I said, hold up.
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What am I gonna do with my time left?
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You know, I may have 30, 40 years left.
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Okay?
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That's the best years in front of me because I'm free to be me and enjoy that.
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So then there's the opportunity, there's the oh, in Encore, creating,
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seizing, and aligning your opportunities around the the strategy that you
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develop that you want to see in the next decade, and then back into that.
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So we have the next decade.
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For me it's 70.
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Okay?
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So now from 60 to 70, I have something I need to do every
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year to get to where I wanna be.
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If you're 40, if you're 50, you're gonna back into it.
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And that keeps you focused and it keeps you on track.
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And then you are constantly assessing and then you celebrate your wins and celebrate
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all the milestones along the way.
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You learn and you adapt.
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And we accept, just accept what is.
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Every opportunity, we're gonna season and line it.
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Some may work, some may not.
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But at this stage we have the option of what risks we will
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take and what risks we want.
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Yes.
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And then we, yes, and then we look for relevances in the R,
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setting resonant progressive goals.
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Don't go coming up with all these lofty ideas that you cannot do.
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Can we just be realistic here?
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Let's be relevant of what's happening in your life today.
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What's happening in the world today?
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If it's a business or a career, you're moving forward to, what are the resonant,
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progressive goals that you can lend your time, energy, and talent to,
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that you are looking to get paid for?
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Yes.
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You know, it's time to get paid the value of what you are worth
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and who you are, and that's only gonna happen if you have a plan.
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Let's align that plan and then move towards it progressively.
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So then E is the last letter in the Encore, and that's for
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excellence, your personal trademark.
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Each one of us have a standard of excellence, that we are the go-to person.
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Like Ms. Paula O is the go-to person for this podcast, TV show, all that she does.
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She's the woman that has evolved in her reinvent and everybody
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wants to be on her show.
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Why?
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Yes.
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Because she's mastered who she is, and she is proud of it.
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And so, we have to get to that place in ourselves.
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Yeah.
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And it's a journey and it's fun.
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It has highs and lows, but we know how to overcome.
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We know that, you know, sometimes it may be a little cloudy or maybe
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have some shadows, but we can see the North Star through that
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because we've already been there.
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Yeah, I love your Encore framework.
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Oh my gosh.
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I was looking at it and writing it down and saying, woo hoo.
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Not loud enough for you all to hear you in the audience, but for me to
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internalize it and say, this is great.
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Exit with intention.
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Navigate the new.
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Commitment, communication, connections, opportunities, creating seasons.
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Relevant, that's very important.
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Setting resonate, and realistic goal.
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Excellence- your personal trademark, oh my God, did I get them all?
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You got them all and you got them perfectly.
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That is wonderful.
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Yes.
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I'm gonna put this up.
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Paste it on my mirror in my bathroom and look at it every day because, you
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know, as you rightfully said, as you hit your sixties, where I am in that
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same, on that same floor with you.
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Mm-hmm.
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You realize that, yeah, some things you did, but not quite, you know?
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Mm-hmm.
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Learn from it.
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It's time to move on.
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Exactly.
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And so that exit with intention is important because it is not just exiting,
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but making sure that you've got a plan, which is what you're talking about.
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Yes.
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And one of the things that people, what I've learned to do is take the business
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strategies and align them with life.
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Mm-hmm.
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Because they work.
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Mm-hmm.
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In business, we always have an exit strategy.
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Yes.
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When we're doing risk management and stuff, any plan, any program, anything we
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are gonna create, we have a exit strategy.
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Why not in life?
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As we were growing up from home to elementary school, we
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had orientation elementary to middle, high school, college.
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You go on your jobs, they give your orientation, but
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there is no playbook for life.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, now in my Encore years, which are my best years, and if you look
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at so many women who have been extremely successful in their sixties and seventies,
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which I put in my book and eighties and so forth, it's because of the culmination
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of the wisdom and expertise that they have learned over the years, and now they're
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the most powerful they've ever been.
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They're the most secure in who they are.
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They are the most confident and courageous because they know how to stand.
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See, if you've never been through nothing, you don't know what to do.
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You gonna fall apart at everything.
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You know, most everybody's so weakened now.
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Let me not get on that train anyhow, but you know.
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You have to have adversity.
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It's gonna happen.
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Yes.
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You're gonna go through.
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You're gonna go through.
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The most challenging thing is I've experienced, I've found not only just
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my own health challenges, but just caregiving and caregiving for the persons
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that have brought you in the earth and now you are looking at them slowly
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slipping away in whatever capacity it is.
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That whole realm changes you for life.
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It does.
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I mean, once you finish that caregiving role, you are never
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the same human being after that.
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And when you finish that caregiving role, you are the best human being you ever was.
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Because for me it helped me look at my mortality and like,
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okay, God, you know what?
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What's your plan this time?
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'cause I know what I did.
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So let's look at what you really wanna do.
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You gotta have faith.
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I mean, the only two people got real faith are the entrepreneurs
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and those who have been ill.
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Because you gotta believe God for everything.
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Okay.
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And I'm not saying
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other two people,
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because entrepreneurs believe God for what?
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Everything.
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Okay.
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Every penny.
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Every penny.
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Every day when the phone is ringing.
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All of these things.
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And then when you're ill.
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Yes.
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That's so true.
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And especially people who are terminally ill.
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Yes.
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And God wakes 'em up every day.
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Come on now.
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Yes.
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You know, and they're not on a machine or something like that.
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Yes.
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You know, and then those who are caring for those who are ill, not just the
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family members, which is huge and I talk about that in my book, but the
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hospice, the nurses, the doctors, everyone that comes in contact with
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the individual that needs care.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know, they have a personal life as well.
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And they're pouring out of their heart to give to help you.
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Yes.
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That individual live you are pouring out of every fiber of your being
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to keep the ship going to the degree sometimes you don't even
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remember all about your own ship.
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Yeah.
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So I remember I forgot to pay my own bills.
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Okay.
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Because I was taking care of everything else.
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I didn't even know what was going on.
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One of my cousins called me on the phone.
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He said, Paula, whatcha doing?
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I said, I thought I'm doing all the estate stuff and this
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and that and the other thing.
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Oh, you're the POA?
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I said, yes.
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He said, well, did you take care of yourself?
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Thanks for reminding me.
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He said, well, you finish all of that, gimme a call back, and I wanna make
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sure you get your stuff together.
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And that was such a great conversation because all of us at that time were
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losing our last parent, and it was just so nice to laugh, you know?
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Yes.
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Someone that understood it.
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Understood.
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Yes.
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Because during that season, you need the support.
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And I talk about the fact it's not just the financials.
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That's a given.
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I mean, my father designated me as POA and end of life decisions at 35.
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He said it over dinner that they went on a cruise.
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Okay.
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So it was like I had a full list together.
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Okay.
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Who knew in the next couple of years, we were gonna have to take care of him.
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So I'm just saying that those things in life, they take every bit of who
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you thought you were out and you learn, not only do you understand
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your own resilience and who you really are, but there's a beauty that comes
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through you that you never experienced.
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And there's joy.
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And so the more mature we get, the better We become like fine wine, you
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know, like a beautiful little flower that buds through the ground and it
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took all that time to burst through.
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And then you see those little leaves and then it grows up into a big,
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beautiful bush of roses or a tree, or, you know, and all those things.
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Nature has a way of just showing us evolution of who we are.
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Yeah.
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Ooh.
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Yeah, you are so right.
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Especially, you know, when you talk about, you know, I have become an
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avid gardener, but not for flowers.
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I wish I could say.
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And in addition to that too, you know, like planting edible...
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Things but I'm not there yet.
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We'll get there.
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Mm-hmm.
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But what you said is so true.
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You know, you put something in the ground and you don't know all the
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workload's going on, and then it emerges as a beautiful flower and
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you're like, wow, look at that.
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Mm-hmm.
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And that's the same thing with life.
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And that's the same thing as you said at this stage of life.
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All those ups and down adversities, you know, the good times and not
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so good times are all enabling you to blossom into, for the most part,
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into this wonderfully poised 50+ year old woman with a lot of experience.
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Mm-hmm.
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A lot of, you know, gifts that you can share with others so much more than,
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you know, sometimes we even think.
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Mm-hmm.
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'cause you know, you talked about my podcast, it's taken me like
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13 years to get to where I am.
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I started in 2012 not really knowing what I was doing.
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Exactly.
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That about the calling, you know, and here we are.
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Yes.
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And look at how you know, that's another thing people think,
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oh you're overnight wonder.
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No, you are not.
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You in the background over the years making it happen, you
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are learning new technologies.
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Yes.
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You're going through the highs and lows of the industry.
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You're going through competitors, you're going through so many different things.
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In the background is where everything is built because when you think about
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a rose and it comes through and it's a tea rose and it's colds real tight,
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then it starts to open and open and open, and then that aroma comes out.
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And then wherever that rose is, you smell that aroma.
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So just as a woman, just as you starting a podcast in 2012, the
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aroma, the work speaks for itself.
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And so you have a catalog of work that speaks for itself.
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So now you don't have to talk.
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Like you see the pink roses behind me.
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They're just sitting there smelling.
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They just smelling good and looking good...
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and looking good
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And looking good, being fine and foxy any way they wanna be today.
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You know, I put a little stuff in there to help them stay perky but bottom line,
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at the end of the day, this is who we are.
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Amen.
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Amen.
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Amen.
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Well, before we join the rest.
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I mean, we invite people to join us and ask you question.
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You mentioned at the beginning of our conversation decade mapping.
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Yes.
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Let's talk about that.
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I mean, that's so interesting.
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Decade mapping.
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Yes.
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It's not a term I've heard in the, you know, before.
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So can you talk a little bit about that?
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Yes.
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I created
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a decade map from the
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ages 20 to 90.
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And I did that, you know, as I was going through my journeys in my
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thirties and forties and so forth, and a lot of the leadership development
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and all the training I created, I would also use it in my afterschool
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programs for entrepreneurs young women.
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And they enjoyed it because now they had to map where they wanted to be.
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Mm-hmm.
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I was mapping where I came from and what I need to happen now because
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I'm in the midst of the crazy, okay.
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I'm in the midst of life.
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And so the decade mapping is actually I have all the categories of life, personal,
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professional occupational, which is different from professional because you go
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from either a career in a work environment into an entrepreneurial experience,
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a passion project or something.
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A lot of women wanna be on boards.
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They want to set up nonprofits and things of that nature.
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Then you go into the financial aid of it, and then you're
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also looking at the social.
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So now we're have a whole life of your own corporation, if you will, . And
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then, so at the time that I created it, I did it till 90 because I had
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the research, I had the relationships, and I was interviewing people in their
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nineties, you know, I can extend it to a hundred, but I'm leaving it where it is.
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And then every decade you have put in there at least one or two things you want.
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Then when you get to the legacy side of your life, you're looking at what do you
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want to leave as you go and as you grow, because we leave a legacy every day,
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a smile, a hug a kind word, whatever.
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That's a legacy to another human being.
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But what do you want the next generation in your lineage not
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to have to start over and do?
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Not just economically, but what are you gonna leave behind?
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So if at 90 you're ready, you're saying, I've set up this, I've set up that.
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I've set up that.
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Now how are we gonna get there?
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Well, wherever you are currently, we're gonna back into it.
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So every year, within the decade you're in, you are going
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towards that ultimate goal.
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And the short term goals in between.
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And so now when you have 10 years to acquire or aspire to where you really
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wanna be, that takes the pressure off.
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Because what I realized is three, five year plans doesn't
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work because guess what?
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You have a life happening.
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You have someone ill in your family.
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All these women and men that have been laid off 300,000
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people have been laid off.
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Women have been laid off.
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Okay?
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They ain't no three, five year plan for that.
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No.
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You know what I'm saying?
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No.
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There's nothing for that.
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The company could go bankrupt and then your pension of 401k is gone.
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What?
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Mm-hmm.
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So within 10 years, you can rebound, recoup, reclaim, reignite, restart,
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whatever re look needs to be.
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But reinvention is always there.
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Mm.
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Because I always know where I wanna show up and what I wanna show up and be,
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and I wanna be the best version of me.
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This is so good.
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This is so good.
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The decade mapping, is that in your book?
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Yes, it's in my book.
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I have a whole course, the Power of Decades, and it's been in my book,
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it's been in my catalog for oh many, even over 20 years because it's
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evolved as I evolved, you know, so.
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And that's a beautiful thing about it.
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I love the whole decade mapping that kept me on track, kept
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me focused, and gave me hope.
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You know, loss is with hope and grief is no hope.
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And so during the losses of life where I had to grieve for things I had
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hope because I saw where I was going.
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I remember one time my father was in the hospital, everybody
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was upset and crazy and all that.
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And I was like, well, the sickness is on to death, he's not dying.
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Okay, we just gonna have to walk through this.
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So I have a tear down one eye and I'm writing a business plan in
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another for women's foundation.
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Here we go.
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And I ran that organization for over 12 years.
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I've had clients in corporate wanting to exit out one in particular and
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she wanted to exit in 18 months and she said, I wanna set up my business.
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My husband's setting up another business and we wanna do this, this, and this.
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So we put it all together.
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Long story short, her division got cut.
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She was able to take that actual plan and negotiate the best deals she could
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'cause she was a C-suite executive.
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And then when she exited, a family member got ill and she had the caregiver,
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but she was in position because why?
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She had a plan.
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Someone else would've been, oh I'm not gonna do what I wanna
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do, and no, she had a plan.
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Okay, so I'm not gonna do that now a hundred percent, but I can work
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on it in the background, which I call it playing with your toys.
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It makes you happy.
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Love.
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Yes.
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Playing with your toys.
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Play with your toys.
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Yeah.
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Go in the room.
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Play with your toys.
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I don't care if it's Jacks.
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Whatever you like to do, double touch.
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I don't care.
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Call it playing with your toys because why?
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Now I know I'm going to do this once I get through this.
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And as I go through this, I'll have more freedom as I go along.
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I told a client the other day, she's parent with small children and she
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is like, I'm so exhausted, I'm gonna get, I said, listen, the older they
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get, the more freedom you have and the more economic responsibility you have.
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However...
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Absolutely.
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You'll have more energy to create something along the way
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in the background just for you.
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So how does that make you feel?
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Oh, it's not so bad.
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I'm like, yeah, not so bad.
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So,
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mm-hmm.
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Loving it.
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Loving it.
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Well, we need to have time for the audience, who I'm sure
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are waiting to talk with you.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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To ask you more questions like on some of the biggest mistakes that women make
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when trying to reinvent themselves.
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I think that's a great, great question.
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Audience, if you haven't thought about asking that question to
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Paula, that Paula, Paula W.
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Haha, looking forward to chatting with all of you.
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It's gonna be so exciting.
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Exactly.
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So where can you be found online?
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Because anyone who hasn't been in the audience and is watching this later on.
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We want to just get in touch with you and people find online.
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Okay.
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You could.
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Mm-hmm.
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You could go to my website, paulawashington.com.
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You can go LinkedIn at Paula Washington MBA.
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And also I just lost a YouTube channel called the Encore Playbook.
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So that's at Paula Washington.
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And so you can find me online.
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You can set up a free discovery call.
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I'll be glad to have a chat with you.
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Absolutely.
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Are you on Instagram or Facebook and those?
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I'm on Instagram at, I'm Paula Washington and I am on Facebook,
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but I don't remember what it is.
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Don't worry.
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Don't worry, we'll find you.
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Yeah.
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So, all of those, you'll find me, and it's so funny sometimes people
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put my name in and Paula Washington, Denzel Washington's wife comes up.
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It's real.
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And then I'm down there on the bottom underneath, so it's really
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funny that a lot on YouTube.
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So it's real funny.
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But you'll find me, paulawashington.com has all my information and my LinkedIn is
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very active, so you'll be able to find me.
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Absolutely.
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And for those of you who are watching this later on, you've
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just heard the other Paula.
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We are amazing, but she is the other amazing Paula and if you'd like to be
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a guest on the show just like she has been, reach out to me on my website,
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which is chattingwiththeexperts.com.
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I'm also on LinkedIn, very active on LinkedIn as Paula Okonneh.
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I have a page there as well, Chatting with the Experts.
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I am on IG.
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My handle there is at chat_experts_podcast.
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I'm glad I get it right now.
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I didn't at first.
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I'm also on Facebook as Paula Okonneh and I too have a YouTube channel that ask for
32:52
you to subscribe because I've got amazing, amazing, amazing women who have shared
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their expertise on my YouTube channel, you get an opportunity to see them.
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And so now we open up the floor to all who joined us.
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And any question that I haven't answered or I haven't asked, not answered,
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the other Paula is answering them.
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Please feel free to ask.
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Thank you, Paula, for saying yes to being a guest on Chatting with the Experts.
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I enjoyed every minute of it.
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I did too.
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And thank you so much for having me.
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This has been a blast.
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All right.