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Live After Election Day with Anne P. Mitchell, Mitch Jackson, and Guy Kawasaki · Uncensored Objection

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  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I think we have critical mass.
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  SPEAKER_02: My name is Guy Kawasaki.
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  SPEAKER_02: We have two great guests today, N.P.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mitchell and Mitch Jackson.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, these are like, these are my best friend lawyers.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_02: And so my role today, just to be perfectly clear,
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_02: I am the catalyst and they are the reaction.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's going to be 90% them.
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  SPEAKER_02: 10% me, we arrived at that figure because they went through law school,
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  SPEAKER_02: they passed the bar, not in China, they passed the bar in California and Colorado.
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  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, so they're really proud.
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  SPEAKER_02: Practicing lawyers,
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  SPEAKER_02: and my extent of the legal expertise is I went to law school
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  SPEAKER_02: for two weeks and dropped out.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's why it's 45, 45, 10 as the allocation of time, okay?
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm going to pitch you a softball first to start off.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: So as lawyers, as lawyers as opposed to highly opinionated political people,
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_02: Just kind of give us like, you know, okay, so this election happened.
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  SPEAKER_02: So now what happens to some really tactical things like the ballroom,
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_02: Arc de Triomphe, the golf course, the Kennedy Center?
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_02: You know, what happens to those things right now?
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to go for it first, Mitch?
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: Anne, please, ladies first.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure I'm considered a lady at this point with my new nickname, but...
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what I want to say to that is I actually kind of want to harken back
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  SPEAKER_00: to a couple of weeks ago I had on my show one of the lawyers
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  SPEAKER_00: from Democracy Defenders who was actually working on the Kennedy Center case
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  SPEAKER_00: and the Reflecting Pool case and the Ballroom case and the and, and, and, and,
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  SPEAKER_00: right? All of those big cases.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Based on what he said, his name's Josh Cobb, you know, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: already the courts have been stopping it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Other than the ballroom, you know, basically the ballroom was, hey, look what we already did.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the lawsuit had to be, look what they already did.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that made them, the lawyers really get it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for all the other ones, they filed before ground was even broken, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's the first thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm meandering, but The point is the courts are already stopping it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you can be sure that now, I mean, they're just going to get more and more support for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I am extremely hopeful.
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  SPEAKER_00: The ballroom, I mean, that's a real, you know, sticky wicket. I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: What do you think, Mitch?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, what I think is we've got to finish the job, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think with 247 people,
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  SPEAKER_01: Majority in Congress right now and 54 senators majority in the Senate right now,
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  SPEAKER_01: we're in control.
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  SPEAKER_01: What people need to understand is that, and what I've been saying all along,
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  SPEAKER_01: is with the power of the purse, with the power of subpoena and oversight,
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  SPEAKER_01: with the separation of powers, whoever has the majority in Congress calls shots.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what we're going to see moving forward, Guy, with those particular issues,
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  SPEAKER_01: is we're going to see a reasonable, common-sense response.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have clear heads, clear minds,
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  SPEAKER_01: people that can put
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  SPEAKER_01: together
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  SPEAKER_01: articulate
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  SPEAKER_01: sentences And a thought process
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  SPEAKER_01: with a little bit of critical thinking next in to hopefully come
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  SPEAKER_01: to the right decision. So I am so optimistic about moving forward, Guy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so if I just may be a fly in the ointment, you know, well,
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  SPEAKER_02: what about the 500 trees that were cut down at the golf course
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  SPEAKER_02: after they were told not to?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, if that can happen, why can't anything else happen? Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I would like to point out,
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  SPEAKER_00: and my followers here noticed because they saw the transcript and everything,
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  SPEAKER_00: they actually technically followed the judge's order with those trees.
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  SPEAKER_00: Technically. Because they provided notice. Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what they did was they filed notice late on a Friday of a three-day weekend,
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  SPEAKER_00: and that notice was, tomorrow morning we're going to mow down a bunch of trees.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, but now, and that's the case that I refer to as the Lorax case
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  SPEAKER_00: in the transcript when we were talking before the show.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, Mitch, when I send that to you, if you don't already have it,
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  SPEAKER_00: you're going to see. I mean, the judge was...
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  SPEAKER_00: And so she now and all the other judges out there doing, you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: cases against the administration, like Judge Farouk,
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  SPEAKER_00: they basically now know that they have to issue orders with such specificity
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  SPEAKER_00: that this administration can't weasel their way through.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that's also all going to change, I hope at least, come January.
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  SPEAKER_00: So...
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure where your question was, like,
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  SPEAKER_00: what happens next or how did they get away with it,
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  SPEAKER_00: because we can't glue the trees back.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I'm sorry to jump in, but just because I had the transcripts, I felt like I needed to.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you're telling me that if that directive was better draft,
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  SPEAKER_02: those trees might still be here today?
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm saying that if, you know, for decades,
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  SPEAKER_00: the DOJ has essentially followed the,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, the gist of orders.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like they didn't have to—it's kind of like being a parent, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, your kid says, hey mom. That's a
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  SPEAKER_02: bad metaphor.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, but when your mom says, when you ask mom, when I get home from school,
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  SPEAKER_00: can I have a cookie? And your mom says no.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then five minutes after you get home from school,
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  SPEAKER_00: you get a cookie and you say to your mom, well, you said after school,
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  SPEAKER_00: but now it's like five minutes later.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a really bad analogy, but yeah. Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to set up now. So let me jump in here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, come on, Mitch.
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  SPEAKER_01: As someone that's tried cases for 40 years,
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  SPEAKER_01: and the best advice I ever got my first week of practicing law 40 years ago, Mitch,
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  SPEAKER_01: all you have is your reputation in this profession.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's the most important thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think those lawyers are full of shit.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think they violated their ethical obligations to the court.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think they need to be...
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  SPEAKER_01: Held accountable and present themselves on contempt proceedings by the judge.
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  SPEAKER_01: What you do as a trial lawyer and what you need to do is you need to follow
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  SPEAKER_01: the Theme, the rule of law, the music behind the law, and do the right thing.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: This was a fast move.
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  SPEAKER_01: This was a shady move.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was done after hours.
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  SPEAKER_01: Inexcusable.
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  SPEAKER_01: They need to be held accountable.
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  SPEAKER_01: Unfortunately, Guy, like you said, or like Ann said, you can't glue the trees back.
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  SPEAKER_01: But what you can do is you can issue monetary sanctions.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: You can do other things to try to right this wrong.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: But that's the kind of crap that needs to stop.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that with a new majority in Congress,
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  SPEAKER_01: there is oversight and subpoena power to bring these people in to answer, right,
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  SPEAKER_01: under oath. And that's where the difference is right now. Yes.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I want to shift now.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: Not that I have any feelings about this.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: Come out of your shell, Mitch.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: Can I just say, like, you know, the reality is, like,
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  SPEAKER_00: 98% of the lawyers out there make the other 2% of us look really bad.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, that's a joke.
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  SPEAKER_00: But, yeah, no, I agree 100% with Mitch.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, I really— They need to be spanked.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they really have just—
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: maybe Doug Burgum is going to contact the Four Seasons Nursery and, you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: get some trees or something.
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  SPEAKER_02: So next question.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this is kind of a for dummy series.
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  SPEAKER_02: So one of you explain how pardons work.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, can...
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  SPEAKER_02: Can Trump pre-pardon before a crime happens?
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  SPEAKER_02: Can he pre-pardon?
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  SPEAKER_02: Can he pardon himself?
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  SPEAKER_02: Can he pardon everything?
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  SPEAKER_02: Can the state still go after him?
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  SPEAKER_02: The question is, pardon for dummies.
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  SPEAKER_01: Take it, Mitch.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the answer is yes, Guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's what's bothering a lot of people.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we have had some newly elected congresspeople and senators talking
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  SPEAKER_01: about I've had guests
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  SPEAKER_01: on that have talked
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  SPEAKER_01: about the pardons in the past,
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  SPEAKER_01: people that have been found guilty of felonies and have been ordered to pay hundreds
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  SPEAKER_01: of millions of dollars, if not billions of dollars in restitution to victims.
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  SPEAKER_01: When a pardon's issued, That money doesn't have to be paid anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: This hurts our society.
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  SPEAKER_01: It hurts the communities.
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  SPEAKER_01: It hurts the victims.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there needs to be change.
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  SPEAKER_01: And hopefully over the next couple of years, we'll see that change take place.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fill in the blanks, Anne.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just, you know, I mean, the pardon power itself is right in the Constitution,
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  SPEAKER_00: but there are always ways that people, you know, that Congress can either limit or,
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  SPEAKER_00: as Mitch said, oversight.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think the one thing that has never been tested,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I don't really see a path to disallowing it, is a president pardoning himself.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think it won't matter because I think J.D.
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  SPEAKER_00: will pardon him anyway.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, I think this has just been a really big, hard lesson in so many ways.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the whole pardon thing is one of them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure there are smarter people than me working on that right now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wait, just for clarity, did you say you were sure that J.D.
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  SPEAKER_02: would not or would pardon?
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: No, I said would.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure he will pardon Trump.
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  SPEAKER_02: So Trump resigns, J.D.
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  SPEAKER_02: becomes president, J.D.
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  SPEAKER_02: pardons Trump for everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's the plan.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: I can't imagine it wouldn't be the plan.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think, Mitch?
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think about it so much, I wrote a post about it that was probably,
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's my most highly read post on Substack.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm predicting Trump will resign towards the end of 2027.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: And along with that type of approach, what people need to understand,
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking at the comments guy, is things have completely changed Tuesday night,
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: everyone.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: What we're seeing now is we're not going to be seeing a president talking about a third term.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: We're not going to be seeing a president being supported
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: by the Republican Party like he has been in the past. He doesn't have a future.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: He's a lame duck.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot to do with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what people need to understand is when you're answering questions via subpoena
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  SPEAKER_01: under oath, as opposed to the round table luncheons that have been taking place
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  SPEAKER_01: in Congress, it's a completely different situation.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: And for Trump to go through this with his With those that he cares
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  SPEAKER_01: about that he's surrounded himself with over the next year,
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  SPEAKER_01: including family members and friends,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's going to be unlike anything he's ever seen before, felt before,
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  SPEAKER_01: experienced before, and he's not going to be in control.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: And what I'm predicting is going to happen is he will for health reasons
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  SPEAKER_01: or to spend more time with us.
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  SPEAKER_01: Loving family and maybe out on the golf course.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: He's going to have done his job, Guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: He said, I've done my job, everyone.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've fixed everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he'll walk away with a deal, much like Nixon and Ford,
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  SPEAKER_01: where there would be a blanket pardon.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: JD steps in and then we need to take care of business from that point forward.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's not an improvement.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think it's a situation that we can deal with.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: But things have completely changed.
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  SPEAKER_01: We didn't see martial law being declared on Tuesday.
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  SPEAKER_01: We didn't see armed soldiers
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  SPEAKER_01: at the polling booths like people were saying that we would.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: There's a reason why we didn't see it, and it's to Ann's point.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: The federal judges are stepping up.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: The lawyers are stepping up to protecting democracy.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: And they were doing that before we saw this blue wave.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: Now that we've got this blue wave, we've got this additional support,
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  SPEAKER_01: and we now know, shit, I was out front the other day, yesterday morning,
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  SPEAKER_01: and my neighbor said, I feel like I can fly the American flag out in front
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  SPEAKER_01: of my house again.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a certain amount of validation where we're not alone and we're doing the right thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And because of that, everything changes, guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I can go to South by Southwest again.
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  SPEAKER_02: A very fundamental point
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  SPEAKER_02: that I want you to make clear for everybody is
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  SPEAKER_02: that there are federal pardons,
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: but that doesn't mean that you are not subject to state issues, right?
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_02: You can't just wipe everything off, right?
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, I'm in Colorado,
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  SPEAKER_00: which we had a perfect example of that because Tina Peters, right?
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's why Trump put together, I mean, oh my gosh,
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: he literally had the heads of agencies saying,
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: what can you do agencies to bring the hurt on Colorado?
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: Because he couldn't pardon Tina Peters.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so you're absolutely right.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: You're absolutely right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so next question for dummies is,
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  SPEAKER_02: how does executive privilege work?
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: Is it like, you know, anytime Trump is part of any part of conversation,
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  SPEAKER_02: like where's the beginning and end of executive privilege?
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  SPEAKER_00: I have to ask Mitch.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: Mitch, did you see they're trying to say that the PRA is unconstitutional?
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure that has to do with the Jack Smith 2 report, among other things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a sliding scale in my book.
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  SPEAKER_01: In other words, when you see people being asked questions,
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  SPEAKER_01: whether it's by a reporter or by someone during a congressional hearing,
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: and they assert executive privilege guy, okay?
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: From what I've watched, about 90% of the time, it's not executive privilege.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: But nobody's calling them out on that.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're not under oath, or if they are under oath, there's no contempt proceedings.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: Things that you talk about when you're taking care of governmental business,
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  SPEAKER_01: national business, national security,
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  SPEAKER_01: you're having these conversations with whoever's in charge.
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  SPEAKER_01: There needs to be a balance between what you can talk about freely
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  SPEAKER_01: and openly versus what the general public needs to know.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: What we've seen on the sliding scale is it's gone from where it should be at 90,
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: maybe down to 10.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: In other words, it's just being abused and used in another way where I don't want
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: to answer your question.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: So, if a tech billionaire said to Donald Trump, listen, you know,
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: I'll be at your inauguration, I'll donate a million dollars,
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'll help pay for the ballroom, just like, make all my stuff not have tariffs.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: And then, okay, I'm fantasizing here. Are you, though?
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm sure that never happened.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's say that conversation happened.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: And now, you know...
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Pick a center or Congressman Ro Khanna or somebody or Ty Cobb or anybody.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_02: And they say, all right, we have that.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: And Trump says that's covered by executive privilege.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_02: You cannot present that as evidence because it was me and my tech bro CEO.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: That was a confidential executive privilege covered conversation.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: The answer is what?
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: It depends.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: It depends on what.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: So, Guy, the attorney-client privilege is something where if you were talking to me
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: about something, like a priest, it's like talking to a priest, basically.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: I tell my clients that.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: I can't talk about what we discuss.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: But if you come to me and talk to me about committing a crime,
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: We're admitting a crime or harming a child, you know,
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: doing something that's criminal.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: There are arguments and specific waivers,
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  SPEAKER_01: depending on what state or jurisdiction you're practicing in,
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: where it's not protected by attorney-client privilege, okay?
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  SPEAKER_01: Wait, attorney-client privilege is different from an executive privilege.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well, but it's an example because what I was rolling over into is what you were just describing.
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  SPEAKER_01: What you just described in my mind,
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking three or four or five different laws being broken.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: In other words, you can't bribe the president or the president's family
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: or an administration to get a financial benefit out of that,
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: which would be another way of looking at what you just described.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: So if what you just described can be interpreted as being a crime or a conspiracy
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  SPEAKER_01: to commit a crime or violate a law, the next question is,
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  SPEAKER_01: is that communication protected?
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I was just going to say, like the attorney-client privilege,
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think the executive privilege or Protection would apply in that situation.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: But here's the problem, and Ann can probably shed a light on this.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: Why hasn't that happened so far?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why hasn'T anybody made these people come forward and stand their ground
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  SPEAKER_01: and be held accountable?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a reason, right?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's because of how Congress has been run all this time. Yeah.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: And in fact—oh, Oh, I forget which judge it was now,
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: but the judge just this past week, really, actually,
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: it was Judge Reyes in the Lorax case,
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: and I hope you guys know what I mean by the Lorax case, the golf course case,
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: who she was actually trying to,
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: she's basically piercing a fictional executive privilege in that hearing.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: The way I look at it, and it may or not be actually accurate, but it's useful,
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: is like similar to, you know,
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: people got so up in arms with the Supreme Court's ruling on executive immunity
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: because they thought, and I'm sure this was to the right's advantage
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: that they think this, they thought that it meant he had blanket immunity.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, he doesn't.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: He has immunity.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: A president has immunity for actions that are within the scope of the role
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: of the president. And I look at executive privilege in the same way, you know,
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: as a useful sort of just, you What's the word I want?
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: Example, I guess.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the executive privilege, to the extent that it extends,
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: would be for acts that are within the purview, the role of the president.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Discussions that are official presidential discussions, grift, and crimes,
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: as Mitch say, yeah, it's never within the role of the office of president to commit
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: a crime.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: I realize Trump doesn't understand that, but...
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's a great point.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: And when else would we have been discussing these?
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Since when did all this become issues? Yeah.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like we're talking about the stuff that we never had to talk about before.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_02: All right. So next topic is confirmation for dummies.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_02: So how does confirmation work in January 4th or 3rd or whenever?
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: January 3rd. Yeah.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's going to be very painful for Trump.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you that.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: What do you mean by that?
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if he puts anyone up after January,
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: it's a democratically
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: controlled Congress.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's going to have a really hard time getting anyone confirmed.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: Guy, were you talking about new elected representatives coming in?
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_02: I think even Mikey Johnson doesn't have the balls to appoint a new clerk and,
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: you know, pull that shit.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: But, I mean, I'm talking about going forward, you know,
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: if he wants to put somebody in the Supreme Court or something.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay. Okay.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah. But let me speak to, you know,
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: because I know a lot of people have questions about that whole, well, can Johnson,
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: you know, monkey with it and not seat them and all that.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: And now...
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: I thought this and I saw no one saying it, Mitch.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I went to the people that I consider, you know, you know,
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: very now I'm going to put you in this as well.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: This this group, you know, the lawyers who whose opinions I trust.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: And because I saw no one talking about this, I thought I must be missing something.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: But they all said, no, that's exactly it.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: Even Judge Ludwig said at the end of his essay this, you know,
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: if in the worst case scenario, Johnson, like the clerk wouldn't do it.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: So he fires the clerk.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: He puts a new clerk in and that, you know, who would do his bidding.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: The lawsuits would be filed immediately and writs of mandamus.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: And that's, you know,
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: which is when a court directs a government official, do your job.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah. Yeah.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: Guy had Ty Cobb on his show, and they did a deep dive on that very issue.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I watched the show. I took notes.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Ty covered it in detail.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: Guy answering your question about the confirmation of maybe new U.S.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: Supreme Court justices, right?
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe nominating a new, once we get rid of Pete Hegseth,
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: which is going to happen, who steps in, right?
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: I have a unique I have a different take on all this I haven't heard anybody talk about.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I think this is what's going to happen.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: Trump knows how to read a room.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: Trump doesn't have any incentive to keep doing what he's been doing.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: He's not going to be running in 2028.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: Shit hit the fan.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: He now knows how America feels.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Despite what a lot of people think, people on the inside,
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: people that know him and deal with them think he's He's intelligent
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: as to what he wants to do.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't get there just by being an idiot.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a Trump fan, everybody.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think the guy's a moron, but I'm just sharing what I think is going to happen.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: And what I think is going to happen is he's going to read the room and he's going
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: to take a step back like we've already heard him do.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: I can work with the Democrats.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm here for America's.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: He's going to spin this in a way where for the next two years,
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: if he stays in office, he's going to try to create an environment where he's going
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: to be the one who rolled out new health care for everyone.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: He's going to be the one that rolled it.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm just saying he's going to work with the Democrats and create a situation
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: that minimizes exposure to his family for crimes, both federal and state,
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: that minimizes and Minimizes his life after he leaves office.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: And because of that, when he brings new nominations for Confirmation Guy,
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: he'll be working, I believe,
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: more so with the Democrats than you could have ever imagined.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: Listen to me, than you could have ever imagined to move forward.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: You're not going to hear him call Democrats on you.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: So are you saying that he might actually bring forward...
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: candidates that are appealing
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: to the Democrats?
• 24:03
  You mean like James Comey.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: He's going to have to work with the Democrats to get anything done,
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: especially when you've got, you know,
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: 54 senators and 247 congresspeople in Congress right now.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: Those majorities are historical.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: So he can't get away with the stuff that he's been getting away with in the past, Guy.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: I agree with Mitch 100%.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I think what we each said are basically
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: the whole view of which way it could go.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like either he's going to not work with the Democrats and try to force
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: through some nominations and they will go nowhere.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: And for that reason, what Mitch is saying is probably, you know, a likely scenario.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: He's going to play us.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, let me be paranoid.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: So let's suppose, let's just suppose.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: This is fun.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that he calls up Clarence and he calls up Sam and he says, listen boys.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: I have got the government of Qatar to give you brand new quarter million dollar Winnebago's.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: So I want you guys to resign before the end of the year.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm going to stick two more young conservative judges on the Supreme Court
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_02: before the new Congress is convened.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, it's kind of like, you know, don't be like Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: Get out now so we can pack the court while we can't.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_02: What's wrong with that reasoning?
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, can that happen? Take it, Mitch.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so quickly,
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: it could have happened six months ago when everyone thought
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: that this was going to be a—well, I didn't think this way,
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: but a lot of people thought the Republicans were going to maintain their majority
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: and Trump was going to remain strong, right, and call all the shots.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's not going to happen anymore
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: because what would happen is any Supreme Court justice would realize, number one,
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: that's illegal.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: Number two, they're going to be subject to oversight in front of a new Congress
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: under subpoena, and their life's going to be over as they know it.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what I'm saying, Guy.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: These things that could have happened a year ago, right,
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: even if they were wrong and illegal or unethical,
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: don't have a shot in hell of happening anymore.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: The landscape has changed for the better.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not going to happen.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think, Ann?
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, also, I just happen to think that even if he did try to do that,
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: there are very few actual working days left for this Congress, right?
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: We've got Thanksgiving.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: We've got the, you know, the December break.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: So that even if he tried, the odds of it being able to be pushed through,
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: especially with this Congress,
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: and I'm sure— There are some Republicans who are still in Congress who aren't up
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: yet who are going to read the writing on the wall and not do his bidding.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I believe there would be Republicans who would also perhaps stymie
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: a nomination even if he did try it.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: There are, let me see, I was just looking up.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: There are only 22 working days left
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: for this Senate and 20 for this House.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll see them for two or three of those days.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: Or maybe none of them.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's not clear to me that Mike Johnson could work 22 days,
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: but I guess he's in the house, so it doesn't really matter.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: So now, let's talk about the magic number 67,
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: because now you control both houses,
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_02: but the president still has veto power.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: But with the magic number of 67, you can override the veto.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: So 67 is still greater than 55 or 54 or whatever it is.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: So where are we going to find those 12 or 13 people?
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think we're going to need to.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: But I also think that, again,
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: some of the Republicans will caucus with their new Democrat majority for this stuff.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Mitch,
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: do you actually foresee anything that Congress would pass that Trump would veto?
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what topic would that be?
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: What sort of thing do you think he would actually veto at this point?
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe a pocket veto, but...
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Right. So...
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: That goes back to my earlier comments.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: In other words, what's the upside for him to veto something right now?
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: To piss America off?
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: To make his life worse?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: To bring out more microscopes or magnifying glasses on his family's crypto rift industry?
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: What he needs to do, and I think what he will do,
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's going to back off and work with the Dems.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: And you're going to see meetings.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: And you're going to see things, Guy, that you and I, we talked about.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to piss us off.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't want to see this.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to see the white flag come up.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: I want to see this guy get prosecuted and put in jail and held accountable.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: And the people that enable him, too.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: But no, I see actually the veto process taking place just to set the tone, right?
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: To show that he's got the ability to do so,
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: which then promotes more dialogue between the parties.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: But I think it's to his advantage to get as much stuff done as he can between now
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: and whenever he leaves office for so many different reasons.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to keep my answers short, God, because when you ask lawyers questions,
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: you're going to get long, drawn-out answers.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: So just go like this and we'll wrap it up.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you're the judge.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: Guy's the judge.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_02: Judge Kawasaki.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: Please approach the bench.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_02: So, okay, so next question is tariffs.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_02: What happens to tariffs?
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_02: I thought that was a congressional function, so what happens now?
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think, Mitch? I don't really, I can't prognosticate on that.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: I was just looking at some of the comments.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: What do I think is going to happen on tariffs?
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think that the Supreme Court got it right with the initial set
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: of tariffs being held illegal and unconstitutional.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: That just destroyed our economy and it destroyed the world's economy.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: We're still experiencing tariff issues now.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: Guy, if you're asking after the new Congress comes in,
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: will they try to enact legislation to restrict, tone down, or remove the tariffs?
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: That might be something that Trump would veto.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: To Ann's earlier comment on that particular issue.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: But then it sets up further dialogue for further negotiations
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: on other issues like health care.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, his health care plan guy is only two weeks away.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe with some Democrats – I'm joking.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's with some Democrats in office, in the House and Senate.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: But I think the tariffs are here to stay.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: And if Congress does take action,
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: it's going to take some time in 2027 for us to see the results of that action.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Mitch, why would you say they're here to stay?
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, who in America wants tariffs?
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: Who in America wants Trump?
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: Who in America wants half the policies this guy's initiated?
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: No, what I'm saying is until we get a majority sworn in after January 3rd,
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: they find their footing, they start doing what they're doing.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think what you're hearing a lot of very astute Political experts
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: on America right now talking about is we need Congress to come in and chew gum,
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: prosecute the bad guys, and enact new policies and legislation at the same time.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: We need to fix these problems, right?
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: And that's one of the many, many problems we need to fix.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: All right. So you opened another can of worms for me, which is... Yay!
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_02: Which is...
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: The question that I just can't figure out the answer to.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_02: So now it's January 4th,
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_02: and is the emphasis on legislation
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_02: or investigation.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_02: Now, you could tell me that we have 535 people there.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: We can do both.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: But, you know, do the American people want to see investigation or legislation or both?
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, what's the mix here?
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean...
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, investigation is a finite sort of term, right?
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: There's the Oversight Committee, for example.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: Legislation is so broad.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I imagine, for example, people may know about the Disclose Act,
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: which is to rein in what happened with Citizens United.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I think that there will be both going on,
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: but I'd be curious what you
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_02: mean, like, you know, pretend it's 2028 and there's a Democratic candidate.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_02: Does that candidate say, yeah,
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: I represent the party that freaking cleaned house or I represent the party
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_02: that brought down the price of gas, brought down the— Price of groceries.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: I made immigration rational.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_02: All that is legislation.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: Or I put those assholes in jail.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: What's the platform?
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be both. It's going to be both.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like John Ossoff today talked about enacting legislation
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: to pull back Citizens United,
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: which is one of the biggest problems we have right now.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: And if Listeners don't know what that is.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: Use your AI and find out.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: I wrote a post where there was 10 things that we're going to see changed
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: after there's a new Congress with a new majority.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: I just knew in my gut this was going to happen.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: Of those 10 changes, only one has to do with holding the wrongdoers accountable,
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: and they will be held accountable, Guy.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: You've had friends of yours,
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: and I've watched shows and things that you've been involved
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: with where They've come out and said, we've got our subpoenas ready to go.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: We're locked and loaded.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: This is going to happen.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: But we have, for example, out of those 10 action items,
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: we have nine other things that we want to activate to help America get back
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: on its feet, to help bring down the prices, to help make gas affordable.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: Through the power of the purse and the lack of funding,
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: we can dictate what happens with the Iran War,
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: just like we did with the Vietnam War.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's how the Vietnam War stopped.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: Can I just, I want to point something out that Mitch is saying,
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: that overall,
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: what will happen, and you may have said it just like this, Mitch,
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry that I haven't had a chance to read everything,
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: that we've both been pretty prolific the last few weeks,
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: but I think one of the biggest things people will see is
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: a return to to Congress
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: of the powers vested in Congress and them actually exercising them.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's huge. It's huge.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: And looking over the notes, Guy, relating to what you just asked us, listen,
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: when you look at Schumer, when you look at Hakeem Jeffries,
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: when you look at the conversations they're having with the other side,
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: people need to understand, look, when I'm practicing, look,
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: a prosecutor going after a mass murderer says,
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Would love to have that mass murderer in the room and be able to talk with him
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: or her or them, right?
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: And find out their version of what happened.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: Information comes from conversations, good or bad.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to be best friends with somebody to try to figure out
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: where their head's at, what's driving them.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then you can come back to your caucus and make decisions to make better policies
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: for all Americans, now understanding better what the other side thinks.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the chess game here is a little bit more complicated
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: than what most people are writing about in the comments or writing
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: about on social media.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: Conversation is good.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: But that doesn't mean you're that person's best friend or you believe in their policies.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: And guy in business in Silicon Valley, you know the drill.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: You walk into a room and you know nine out of ten people there can't stand your guts.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: They want to see you lose everything.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: They don't want you to be successful.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, wait.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Wait a minute.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: Guys, that's not true when I walk in a room.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: Not you, but when you walk into that room, I'm just, you know, conversation's good.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I think people need to understand that.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Not to put all their eggs in one basket.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: Just because you see two people talking doesn't mean the person that you elected is
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: a bad person.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, can we analogize, and Mitch, I know you've had this experience, as have I,
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: when you see your lawyer talking with the other side's lawyer out in the hall,
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: that doesn't mean your lawyer is selling out.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: What that usually means is your lawyer is trying to cut the best deal that they can
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: for you because you don't want to rely on the judge.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, we have a judge in California that I appeared before fairly regularly
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: who said right up front to the parties, you know what?
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: You guys need to let your lawyers settle this between them
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: because you do not want me deciding what's going to happen.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: You probably know her guy, LaDoris Cordell.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, it's the same representative.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_02: I've heard my wife say that to two kids of mine.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_02: All right. Next topic.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_02: Impeachment for dummies.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: Do we impeach?
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, is it Hexeth I?
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: Go after the president?
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_02: Do you go after the magic 67 number?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_02: Does it really accomplish anything?
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: You know, what's impeachment for dummies?
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: You want me to jump in?
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: Either way, I mean, I have my thoughts on this particular— Go for it.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: Go for it.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: Go for it, Anne.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: So first of all, a lot of people don't understand that in Congress,
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: impeachment is just half of it.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: Impeachment doesn't mean you're removed.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: Impeachment means it's sort of like the grand jury indicting.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't mean that, you know, you're going to end up in jail, right?
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: So the House impeaches, but the Senate has to convict.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: And that's part of the reason why he's been impeached more than once.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: He was never removed because the Senate wouldn't remove it, convict and remove him.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think that what is possible is
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: that there will be enough move to impeach him
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: that That is when he will resign.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, Mitch, you think he's going to resign at the end of 27.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think that basically he will be given a choice,
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: either resign or be impeached and removed.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: So this is Nixon deja vu.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, but that choice comes from private conversations in the Oval Office. Okay?
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: Where you've got Democratic leaders meeting with Trump and his circle of trust
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: to discuss this is what's going to happen next if you don't play ball with us.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: See, that's why when I talk about these discussions,
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: there's an endgame when you have these discussions.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: And what's going to happen is if impeachment does take place,
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: it's a slam dunk in the House with 200 and, what did I say, 230?
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: 47?
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever it is. There's such a majority in the House.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: Impeachment can take place.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: It happens in a separate session, everybody,
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: where you've got a group of people that evaluate the evidence.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: They make a recommendation.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: They bring it to the House floor, and then there's a vote.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: And with a majority vote, it then goes to the Senate.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: In this case, there's another way,
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: and they can actually skip that House internal session and go straight to the floor
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: with a motion.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: And with this type of majority, they can bring it to the Senate.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I didn't.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even know that.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: And so that can happen very easily.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: But the next question is, you know, will the impeachment, will there be a conviction?
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: And there hasn't been in the last two.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: If there's not a conviction after January 6th, everyone,
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: to think that there's going to be a conviction now based
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: upon what we know right now is being somewhat optimistic.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: I do think, Guy, that if through congressional oversight over the next six, eight,
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: ten months, New information comes up.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: We get the rest of the Epstein files.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: We find out decisions made on the Iran war were not above board and based
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: upon a lack of information or no information at all.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: And we see these types of things come up that really add meat to an impeachment allegation.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: Then I could totally see that happening.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: But as of right now, it's not going to be successful in the Senate.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: However, in the comments, everybody wants retribution.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody wants a piece of this guy.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: I totally appreciate that.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't say that the people listening to this are a random sample.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: These are the people I listen to, guys.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so that's Donald, our stable genius.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_02: What about Pete Heggs?
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to happen quickly.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah. And conviction or just impeachment?
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: He'll resign.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: He'll resign.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah. I think it will.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah. I mean, I think we're going to see a whole lot of Nixon moments here, right?
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: That you won't, you know, you won't have whomever to kick around anymore.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm really proud of everything I did, but, you know, I'm, I'm,
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: this is what it's going to look like for the both of them.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really proud of the work.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: We did great work, but I'm, but I've taken a job in the private sector.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_02: So many of these people are going to spend so much more time with their families.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so happy about that.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a family values guy.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: Family in Argentina.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_02: Somebody in the comments, you should look up on Calci,
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_02: what are the betting odds on Trump resigning in 2027?
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: That would be an interesting number.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so we did impeachment now.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_02: Talk to me about the Department of Justice.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_02: So...
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_02: When the hell do we see the Epstein files?
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Katie Fang is my – besides the two of you,
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: Katie Fang is my third lawyer hero.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: So what happens with the Epstein files beginning on January 4th?
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_02: Can we get Katie Fang on your show, Guy?
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: Can we get her on the show?
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: Is there somebody in the comments that can make a call, text a message?
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I would – I feel the same way.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: She's my hero.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: If somebody could get me Katie Fang or Heather Cox Richardson, I swear to God,
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_02: I will buy them a Macintosh.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: You'll probably get a really sweet discount for that.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: We'll put this out.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: Anybody who can deliver Katie Fang or Heather Cox Richardson, I will buy you an iPhone dual.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: How's that? Did I just break the law?
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: No. Of course not.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: Not with two lawyers.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: I've got an attorney card.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: What I want to say is that, so as my followers know,
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: and please forgive my potty mouth, which guy I know, you know,
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_00: you've known me for over 30 years.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: I really rarely say bad words, but right now,
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: Let me put it this way. I am so looking forward to the DOJ starting
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: to again stand for Department
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: of Justice instead of dicks overthrowing justice.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: And that's, you know, that's the thing, you know. Okay. Yeah.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: So that's, you know.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_02: What an embarrassment.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_02: What an embarrassment to the legal profession.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_02: Dix is the strongest word you got in your vocabulary.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Well, unless democracy bitch trumps it. I don't know.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: Which one do you think is? Okay.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, also, Guy, as you know, I was in the Army.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_00: I was a truck driver.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's not that it's the strongest one in my vocabulary, for sure.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's the strongest one I'll use.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know what's interesting,
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: taking all the different adjectives and verbs into consideration is, Guy,
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: one of the things I've always enjoyed as a lawyer is, you know,
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: the lawyers that I've met are some of the most amazing people I've ever met
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: in my life, really.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: People get into the profession to try to make the world a better place, generally speaking.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: And the Department of Justice right now is just such an embarrassment
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: on so many different levels. It's sad. It's pathetic.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: It keeps me up at night.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: You start indicting people for, you know,
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: posting pictures of seashells or sticking Olympic athletes' hands
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: in the Lincoln Memorial Pool soon to be released.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: Don't forget the sandwich as a deadly weapon.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the sandwich is a deadly weapon.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: we have so many more important real issues that need to be investigated and prosecuted.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: And without, you know, relitigating all the different issues, it's a complete embarrassment.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I think what's going to happen, though,
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: is you had Ro Khanna on your show last week, or this week, great show,
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: on Election Day, right?
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Election Day.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_01: And...
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: They're ruling out a new bill,
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_01: a new law to put some teeth into what he rolled out earlier to order the Department
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: of Justice to produce all documents.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I think with the new Congress, you're going to see that happen,
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: especially because of oversight and subpoena power.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly. I was just going to say, because now they can really...
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, did I interrupt you? I was just... No, no, no.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, anything goes on this show.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_00: I would also say, and I may take flack for this, but again,
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: reading the transcripts and my followers who had the transcripts, you know,
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: they know.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: Some of the lawyers at the DOJ, I actually really feel for them.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know, maybe they couldn't leave because they have a family to support.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_00: But like, you know, one of the most recent transcripts, even the judge was saying,
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: you know, Mr. DOJ.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: He actually came forward and disclosed some stuff to the judge that was not good for the DOJ.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they are really the ones who are still trying to be ethical but not lose their income.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: I feel for them.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, but what about the other ones who have bought into it?
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_00: The other ones are just terrible.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, is there the My Lai Massacre defense, which is,
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: I was just listening to Uncle Todd, and Uncle Todd told me to do this.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_02: How far does that go?
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't work that way because we're under state bar and federal rules
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: of professional conduct.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: There are certain things we have an obligation to do as lawyers,
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_01: despite what our client tells us, despite what a judge tells us.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: And we're seeing that being violated over and over.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: Here's what you're going to see with the DOJ and Todd Blanche.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: What's going to come back to slap all of these knuckleheads in the face is Yeah, go ahead.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: So kind. I've used it in court in front of a jury. It works.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's $1.776 billion slush fund that they cooked up.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: The federal judge in Florida that handled this, this was a conspiracy on the court,
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: resulting everyone in this judge overseeing the case,
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: referring the lawyers to To their state bars for disciplinary overview
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: and possible action
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: and compensating literally hundreds of convicted felons relating
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: to January 6th to pay these people,
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: which was nothing more than paying people to support Trump.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: That slush fund is what's going to be the backbone
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: of any impeachment proceedings guy against Blanche and other trial lawyers
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: in his department.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't wait to write about it and talk about it and have you and Ann on my show
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: to really say, did you see what happened yesterday?
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: It was a beautiful thing.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, I just have to because I love this.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_00: This is the Trump v. IRS case.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: And what some people may not know,
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: and you're going to love it, is first of all, Trump filed.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_00: After he filed the case, he ultimately...
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_00: Mitch,
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_00: in all of your 40 years of practice,
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: have you ever seen a plaintiff file or dismiss their own case with prejudice,
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_00: which means they can't bring it again?
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: Only if there's a settlement.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: If there's a settlement, yes, right?
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_01: And in this case, Anne, I think what you're getting at is this whole
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_01: The whole apparatus of the lawsuit in the first place was a cover-up
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: for this settlement, which, by the way, I didn't mention earlier.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: What in the world does giving immunity to Trump and his family for IRS protection
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: and IRS audits, what in the world does that have to do with this settlement?
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't have anything.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't have anything.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, Guy, there's more to that story, too.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: There's a reason why they're trying to cover all of that up.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: So to answer your question, if through the new Congress investigation is done
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: that finds the Trump violated tax laws with these buildings that were refinanced,
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was in Chicago, you're going to see more grounds for impeachment
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_01: and or motivation for him to resign in the future.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: We've got this, you guys.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: We've got this.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: This might also be a case, you know,
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: against Blanche because—so the DOJ was supposed
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: to defend the IRS in that case.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: They never filed a single— Answer?
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: Motion?
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing. Nothing.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_00: But also— It turned out that the rank
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: and file IRS employees put together
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: a 25-page document for the DOJ to defend this lawsuit.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's insanity.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: I have to say, Guy, before your next question, real quick,
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: that's part of what got under my skin is there's this settlement, not for $100,
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: $1,000, you know, for almost $2 billion on a case
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: that That the other side didn't even file an answer or a motion to dismiss on.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't do any discovery.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: That, Anne, I've never seen in my 40-year career.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: And just one last point, just because this is what also got under my skin.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_00: This case is just so incredible.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_00: That quote-unquote settlement that Blanche trotted out,
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_00: that supposedly was endorsed by the court,
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_00: Came at least 24 hours after the case was dismissed.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_00: And in the dismissal order, the judge made a big point
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: of saying there is no settlement in this case.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_00: They literally lied and took the caption from the court and just pasted it onto this settlement.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_00: So... Okay, I'm over.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm done.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, one of the questions that I have,
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_02: and this is going to date how old I am, but why is there no, like,
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_02: leaks in the Epstein files?
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_02: You know, where is Daniel Ellsberg of 2026?
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's thousands of people in the Department of Justice and the FBI.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_02: How come somebody hasn't leaked that?
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Guy, you haven't been paying attention.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we have TESS, which is the dedicated search engine
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: for taking Epstein survivors seriously,
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: which also cross-references the Panama Papers and the ICIJ
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: and puts everything all together.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, there are, I guess maybe it's a different type of leak
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: because you're asking where are the Daniel Ellsbergs,
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: but what we actually have are the Randall Scotts who created tests
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_00: and the dedicated journalists like Zev Shalev who are using tests
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_00: to actually disclose these things that they don't want disclosed.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: Along those lines, and Marianne McGee, thank you.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: What a nice comment she just shared, you guys. That's wonderful.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_01: Appreciate you being here.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: There's another component to all this, Guy.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_01: Things are happening, but they're not being discussed in the major news outlets.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right now, you've got far right-wing corporate control over 80%
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: of the major news networks, and they're dictating what's discussed
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: on the evening news. They're dictating what's discussed on these talk shows.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_01: And when something does come out, it's being buried. It's being hidden.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's not being shared with the American people.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's probably another reason and answer to your question.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'll bet that's going to change after January, too,
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_00: because so many of the major news outlets are just, like, terrified.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: They're intimidated, which is exactly what Trump wanted.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_02: And that ends with the new Congress.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think, Mitch?
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I just think it's going to be a different atmosphere.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think there's going to be a different atmosphere for all
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_01: the reasons we've already discussed.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_01: But I also feel like with the power of the purse and the power
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: of oversight right now, Guy,
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_01: what's happening is you've got a lot of conspiratorial agreements taking place
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: in the news industries, in the bureau industries,
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: in the – Production industries that are benefiting people supported
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_01: by governmental decisions that arguably violate certain state and federal laws.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_01: It hasn't been investigated, all right?
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: Mike Johnson has been too busy, down on his knees, along with every other MAGA Republican.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_01: Let me finish kissing Trump's ring, okay?
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: Wait a minute, even there.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_01: And that's going to change.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_02: Let's be anatomically correct here, all right?
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I think he will.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_01: And what's going to happen, though, is these deals, these arrangements,
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: these antitrust issues, these monopoly issues, they're going to be investigated,
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: Guy. And when that becomes investigated, the channels of distribution,
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_01: what did John Mayer, didn't he write a song, you know,
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: something about who controls the news, controls the message, something like that?
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: Waiting on the people or waiting on the news.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody in the comments.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so what's going to happen is once that change and those monopolies cease
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: and Citizens United is reduced or eliminated,
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: you're going to see more transparent information.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: But that's way down the line.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's not going to happen soon. All right.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_00: Guy, I just need to point something out. Go for it then.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_00: You may have created a monster here because we're getting requests in the chat
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: to make the three of us a regular show.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_02: After this hour, I'm all tapped out.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_02: This is as much knowledge as I have of legal and political issues.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_02: So I shot my load today.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_02: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_02: that the Case Church Amendment effectively ended the Vietnam War
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_02: or America's involvement because it cut off the financing of the Vietnam War
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_02: and Cambodia.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_02: So is there such a resolution that could happen in the next Congress
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_02: that cuts off spending and we're out of the Iran War?
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I would say absolutely, but not that clear cut.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_01: In other words, if you don't have the finance to support a war, a battle,
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_01: you can't participate in one to the level that you desire to do so.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, this all comes down to money.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Hegseth and the Pentagon have asked for, what, over $1 trillion in new funding, right?
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_01: If they don't get that or it gets cut back, what happens, guys, is there's negotiations.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_01: We'll provide you with X amount of money, but in return, this is what we need to see happen.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_01: And that's how you pull back and start to take things back to where we had
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_01: when Obama was president and reached a deal with Iran that had the Strait
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_01: of Hormuz opened up and kept Iran from having a nuclear bomb.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we'll get back to that point someday.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_02: All right. Come on, Anne.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_02: I know you've got something to add here.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I just...
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_00: All I want to say really to that is because, you know,
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_00: you both are much more versed in this particular thing than am I.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, I just want to say that pretty much anything can happen.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_00: The question is, will it? Right.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, so people have to understand that Congress has the power of the purse.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_00: But there are other considerations and things that you might not see or think
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_00: about or even agree with.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not just an automatic slam dunk that it's just going to be ended day one.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_02: Speaking of wars, we have a domestic war and it's head by something called ICE.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_02: So what happens to ICE?
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_02: Does it keep going on?
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_02: Will they be unmasked?
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_02: Will they be wearing body cameras that are actually turned on?
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_02: Are individual ICE agents going to face civil and criminal prosecution?
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_02: What happens to ICE in this brave new world?
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_01: I have written a dozen articles about this guy. Oh, good.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and Ann, jump in.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'll just keep it real quick.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I see change happening with this new Congress because that's what the people want.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's why they were elected.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I see through the power of the purse once again,
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_01: and we don't want to minimize the power of the purse,
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: you're going to see funding be reduced and or threatened to be reduced
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_01: unless certain changes take place.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_01: One of those changes has to do with masks.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I've written about this.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's complete bullshit that these people are masked up like they're going down
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_01: the main street of Fallujah, attacking the bad guys,
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: riding on the sides of these trucks when they're picking up someone standing
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_01: on the corner in front of Home Depot that's just trying to put food on the table
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: for his family or her family at night.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: And that needs to change.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_01: I understand protecting your identity if you're doing a raid on a cartel boss's compound.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_01: I understand protecting You know,
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_01: protecting your identity if something like that's coming along.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_01: But what we're seeing 99% of the time, it's not American.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's not what we're all about.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_01: This is happening to intimidate everyday Americans.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's happening to intimidate people from stepping up and taking on this administration.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_01: Part of it has to do with immigration control.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_01: The majority of what we're seeing, especially, Guy,
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_01: because it's happening in democratic states, in democratic cities,
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_01: is to try to make a point.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_01: And yes, that's all going to change.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to take time.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's not going to change as much as we want it to change, okay?
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_01: But we're on the right path as of Tuesday night.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_01: What did I miss, Anne?
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think you missed a darn thing, Mitch.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_01: I know guys got a lot of questions.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, let's say my name is Baba and I'm your random ICE agent in, you know,
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, Texas or Minnesota, maybe not Texas anymore.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_02: So am I...
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_02: Am I all of a sudden worried like, oh my God, should I be working for ICE?
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_02: Should I be conducting these raids?
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_01: Or is it business as usual right now? You should be. You should be.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because here's the way it works, everybody.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I've handled cases against police departments.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_01: I've sued cities and counties.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_01: One of my awards had to do with a lawsuit I brought against three police officers
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_01: on a wrongful death case.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_01: Should have never happened.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_01: The way this works is there are state and federal laws.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: And when you have an officer under color of title,
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_01: Under the pretext of doing their job, in fact,
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_01: exceeding that and punching people in the face and breaking the laws
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_01: and not following the Constitution with illegal entries
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_01: and using illegal search warrants and doing the things that we've been watching
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_01: for the last two years, which is just driving me crazy, laws are being broken.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_01: Each state and the federal government has different remedies available to victims of these laws.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_01: Now, there's what's called governmental immunity.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_01: And what that means is if an officer is doing something that's normal and reasonable
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_01: within his or her scope and course of performing their duties,
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_01: you're not going to be able to find them liable.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_01: But if they're acting outside of that scope with the right lawyer,
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_01: with the right team, with the right juries, you're going to get results.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so I would encourage everyone that if you know someone that's a victim
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_01: or you are a victim, Hire a reputable law firm
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_01: in your state that's had experience handling these cases,
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_01: just like what we've been watching in the federal courts with the voter rolls
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_01: and with everything else that Ann and I have talked about tonight.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_01: Trump is losing these cases in court.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_01: The American people are winning over and over and over.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_01: But Ann, the frustration I see from everybody, and Guy,
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_01: we talked about this a couple months ago, this takes time.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_01: This doesn't happen overnight.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_01: People need to understand when you see something happening,
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_01: give our democracy,
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_01: give our legal system a chance to fix it.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_01: There's due process.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_01: And you'd want that due process protecting you if you were accused of doing something wrong.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so there's a process, right?
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_01: But what I'm seeing is the federal judges are holding court.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_01: They're protecting that red line at the federal level and trial lawyers
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_01: across the country are up to this point,
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_01: have been doing a damn good job of doing the same thing. And guess what?
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because of this new Congress, the gloves are off.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_01: Guy, you're a hockey fan.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you right now, the trial lawyers across the country are going
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_01: to be dropping gloves and throwing punches unlike anything you've ever seen before.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_01: And you're going to go
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_01: back to law school. You think it's too late? No, it's never too late.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think you'd make a hell of a good lawyer.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_01: Someone in the comments mentioned Mark Elias and Norm Iason.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_01: They, along with Katie Fang and a bunch of others,
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_01: are just doing such a good job of educating the consumer as to what's going on.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then they go into court and drop gloves and kick ass.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, Katie is just – she is a true American hero.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, did you – have you – Have you seen any of the hearings or any of the transcripts?
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_00: No, I've read a few transcripts.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_00: She is a badass.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_01: We need to get her on the show for Guy.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
• 1:03:55
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm ready. I'm ready.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_02: I'll go buy a duel today for whoever delivers her.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_02: All right. So let's go on to elections.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_02: Now,
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_02: It dawned on me today that in the state of Alaska,
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_02: that Mary is ahead by a few hundred votes or something.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_02: And in a rank choice state,
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_02: it could be that the people who voted for Dan Sullivan Jr.,
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_02: They made Dan Sullivan the other one, the second choice or something like that.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_02: There could easily be a situation where with ranked choice,
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_02: Mary loses that race
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_02: because the votes go to Dan Sullivan.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_02: Right? That's possible.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, if it goes to a ranked choice situation.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay. But the state's set up to handle that. Yeah. Yeah, okay.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's a real possibility because she's ahead right now, as when I checked.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_02: Just a tiny bit.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and so if some of those votes for Dan Sullivan Jr.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_02: go to Dan Sullivan, it's aloha oi, right?
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's basically whoever set this up and was behind this, they basically just screwed themselves.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_02: So now, based on this, you know,
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_02: I thought I was a supporter of ranked choice until I did the math this morning.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_02: So are you pro or con on ranked choice voting?
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_00: I have no opinion on it.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know enough about it.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_01: And listen, here's the thing, though.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_01: I will tell you that.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_01: Alaska is set up internally to deal with these types of issues,
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_01: and it's not the first time they've had the same last name on a ballot.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_01: There was another Sullivan of all last names, I think, back in 2013.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_01: You've heard about Judge Carter here in federal court in Santa Ana handling
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_01: the 20,000 names that That Trump asked the state of California to filter out,
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_01: et cetera, right?
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_01: I've tried cases in front of Carter when he was a state court judge before he became
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_01: a federal judge. He's a Vietnam vet.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_01: He's a decorated Vietnam vet.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_01: Just one of these guys where you just don't mess around with them.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_01: He's a straight shooter, right?
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_01: He tells you to do something, you do it.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I had a feeling I knew how he would rule on this, which was the right ruling.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_01: Said basically, California's set up already
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_01: We don't
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_01: need this dog and pony show,
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_01: which is all this really was in the first place.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_01: It went up on appeal and then it went up to the United States Supreme Court
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_01: and rejected without any hearing whatsoever.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_01: States are set up to handle elections.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_01: The federal government needs to take a step back.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_01: And why haven't we been dealing with these issues before?
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_01: How come that all of a sudden this became a problem? Right?
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's because of the players.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's because of the guy in the Oval Office.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's because of the enablers around him.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, it's just so disappointing to see.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_01: Take a deep breath here.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_02: I also...
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_02: Correct me if I'm wrong again,
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_02: but it seems to me that with the flipping
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_02: to Democratic governors and the flipping
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_02: to Democratic state legislatures,
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_02: there's a real possibility—I I forget the name of the law, but the law is that,
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_02: you know, whoever wins the popular votes gets all the electoral votes as opposed
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_02: to how the electoral college works now.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_02: So is it a real possibility that the electoral college system as we know it goes away?
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_02: And is that a good thing?
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_01: I saw that.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_02: Did you know anything about that, Anne?
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_00: I did not. But what I did...
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_00: I do know, at least I think I know,
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_00: is that in order for the Electoral College to go away,
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_00: it would require a constitutional amendment. Right?
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's in the Constitution, right?
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so what Guy's talking about is, and I just read it for the first time, Guy, yesterday.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm learning, too.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_01: This is stuff that we learned in law school.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_00: Look at the fact.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_00: Let me just point out, you've got two lawyers here who are willing to say, I don't know.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_01: But that's kind of historical.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_00: No, it isn't, though.
• 1:08:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually not.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_01: Most lawyers will tell you what they don't know is that they do know it.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, Guy, I read about that yesterday, too.
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_01: And something about if there's enough—is it just Congress?
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, is it just the House or is it the Senate?
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_01: But if there's enough people who are elected, then you can bypass the Electoral College.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right? And I'm going to do a post on that next week when I have a chance
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_01: because I think it's a very interesting scenario that if it's true and accurate
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_01: and if the Democrats continue to Implement and do what they are telling us they want
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_01: to do to make America better as far as prices and living conditions.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm curious to see what will happen.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think something like 22 states have already approved this.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, you need a minimum.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_02: I forget the minimum number.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_02: But once you get the minimum number, then...
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_02: Those states can deliver enough electoral college whatever
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_02: to elect the president
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_02: as opposed to the current system.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's interesting.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'll do a post on it.
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_01: Even more important than that, though, is not what could be done like that,
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_01: but let's just make sure the people we elected do their job.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, let's focus on the balls right in front of us right now, Guy.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, I think it would be great if all Americans did everything they could
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_01: to empower and encourage and support our elected officials
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_01: to help every single American person,
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_01: regardless if you're in a red state or a blue state.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_01: And with that come new ideas and with that comes new blood, right?
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_01: Get some new blood in here with some new ideas.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it was so encouraging to see Gen Y and Gen Z step up and really make
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_01: a difference in this, especially in Texas.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_00: That was amazing. Yeah, that is.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_01: That was amazing.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's truly amazing.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_01: It made me proud to be an American again.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_02: And you know what?
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_02: Elon is moving east and he can just keep going, you know, go next to Florida,
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_02: go next to St. Petersburg, you know, problem solved.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_02: Problem solved.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_01: Check it off the list.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_02: The Supreme Court.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_02: The Supreme Court, I'd like you two to opine on lifetime appointments, you know,
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_02: the number of justices, you know, what's going on at the Supreme Court here?
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_02: Well, how do we, is reformation necessary and how would you do it?
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah. I do not have an educated opinion on that.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_01: I have an opinion.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_01: I have an opinion and I don't know if it's educated, but I did write a blog post about it.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_01: All right. And so here's what I was thinking, Guy, is I think we need to go with,
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_01: you can go up to 18 justices, believe it or not.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_01: And each president, hear me out for a second.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_01: Hear me out.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_01: And each president gets to a point, they're rotating.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_01: They're not on a lifetime deal. And they're rotating.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_01: And each president during his or her term gets to appoint up to two justices
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_01: during their term and no more.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_01: And the justices that are on the court that are weeded out,
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_01: they're retired eventually, are available to come back if a spot opens up.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_01: But we don't have enough justices while we're making this transition.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_01: But by doing this process, and I really broke it down,
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think Ty Cobb that you had on, former special counsel for the White House,
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_01: who's now with us as far as taking on Trump,
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_01: actually mentioned maybe 12 justices instead of nine.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_01: But there's a process where you can have them there for a set period of time.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_01: There are consequences to becoming president.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_01: And with that comes the right and ability to appoint one or two justices
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_01: during your term, assuming they're needed.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then they're weeded out and rotated.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_01: I have no problem with that.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've been around enough.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_01: Look, I've been around enough judges in my life, friends from law school.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_01: I've been asked to sit twice as a judge.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to do it.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was a judge pro tem for a couple of years, guy,
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_01: where you throw the robe on and go in on Friday and I didn't enjoy doing it.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_01: I will tell everybody here, judges are human beings, just like you, just like me,
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_01: just like everybody in the comments. Nobody's perfect.
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody has a bias.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_01: You had Ty Cobb on, and you were talking about John Roberts,
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_01: and he said he was one of the top five most brilliant people he's ever met
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_01: in his life.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I think what people don't understand is that there's a lot of gray area
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_01: in the law, both old cases and new cases that are subject to interpretation.
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_01: Just because a judge rules in a way that you don't agree with doesn't mean it's
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_01: an illegal or wrong ruling.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a different ruling.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why elections have consequences, right?
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_01: A hundred percent.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_01: So yes, Guy, I think we need to have some type of rotating door
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_01: so that we can hold justices
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_01: that take Motorhomes and jet flights and fishing trips
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_01: to Alaska accountable when they're not in office anymore.
• 1:13:44
  SPEAKER_01: And the other ones can study the law and write the opinions
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_01: that the American people are counting on.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_02: All right. So you uttered a phrase where you said that justices are human beings.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_02: So you're a Supreme Court justice.
• 1:13:59
  SPEAKER_02: You wake up on Wednesday.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_02: And do you read the tea leaves?
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_02: You say, you know, well, maybe I ought to cool it on some of these opinions or something.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_02: Or is it, you know, I'm a Supreme Court justice.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_02: I have life appointment.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_02: I have the power of God.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just going to do whatever the fuck I want to do.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, do they read the tea leaves too?
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_00: They shouldn't.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's the point of being a Supreme Court justice and being, you know,
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_00: isolated the way that they technically are.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they are supposed to interpret the Constitution and they interpret it
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_00: through the lens of whatever they're, you know,
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_00: whether they're conservative or liberal or what have you.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_00: But as Mitch said, none of the interpretations are wrong.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's just a different interpretation.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know,
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_00: if they are waking up and being swayed by the election,
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_00: then they have no business being on the Supreme Court.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_01: I agree with what Ann just said, except I would overturn the Dobbs case.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't say something shouldn't be overturned.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_00: No, because I've got attitudes.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because I just want to overturn the Dobbs case, not because of what the law is.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I'll never be a Supreme Court justice.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_01: But, Guy, with the revolving justices,
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_01: imagine being able to bring them back in after they serve their term and ask them
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_01: under oath why they lied to Congress about whether or not they would overturn Roe v.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_01: Wade and listen to what they have to say under oath.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_01: There needs to be consequences to these people misleading the Absolutely.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_01: In order to get their nomination completed and for them to become appointed.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_01: I have a big problem with that.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, absolutely.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, during confirmation, of course, you know, what they would say is,
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_00: well, once, you know, the way the case came up was different
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_00: than I anticipated it coming up when I said I wouldn't overturn it.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they're different arguments or whatever.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_02: So you're basically saying they're full of shit.
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying that.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I heard.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so now let's get past the Supreme Court.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_02: Let us go to Congress and explain to Guy the Dummy,
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_02: how does a subpoena work?
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_02: What if you don't show up? Well, what is open testimony?
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_02: What is sworn testimony?
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_02: What are all these things?
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_02: Or is it just an excuse to get together and have Big Macs and French fries in private?
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_02: What does this investigation and subpoenas and all that stuff mean?
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I am sure that, you know,
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_00: each of us has a lot of experience with subpoenas in private practice.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_00: But Mitch, I'm not actually all that familiar with if it's different for Congress,
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_00: like the consequences.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know?
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_01: A little bit. I mean, look, a subpoena is a lawyer, trial lawyer's best friend.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_01: It requires someone to jump and ask how high would you serve it on them.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's the controlling document.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_01: Other than a good court order from a judge signed. Right.
• 1:17:25
  SPEAKER_01: So what happens in Congress is right now they're having pizza parties, guys, just mentioned.
• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_01: People are coming in, they're back slapping, they're having fun.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to see you Friday night at the dinner party.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's not under oath.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's behind closed doors oftentimes.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a complete to your term circle jerk.
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_01: What we need to see happen is subpoenas that are issued require the recipient
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_01: of that subpoena to come in and testify under oath.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_01: It could be served by a marshal physically and or it could be negotiated
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_01: between counsel, which is usually how it's done.
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_01: I reach out to your lawyer guy.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_01: We pick a date and time where you're in town and you can come in and testify, right?
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're not cooperative, then we can serve you with a subpoena.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_01: You have to come in. You're under oath.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_01: There are consequences to your answers.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_01: You're required to respond and answer questions unlike what we've been watching
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_01: with Pam Bondi, you know, talking back.
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_01: Kash Patel with his little checkbook talking back to the Congress people
• 1:18:23
  SPEAKER_01: and everyone else in that line of familiar suspects.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_01: If you truthfully and honestly answer the testimony correctly,
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_01: what you get from a subpoena is you get new information,
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_01: you get new documents that you subpoena,
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_01: new names of other people that you bring in.
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a chess game.
• 1:18:41
  SPEAKER_01: And you plan out a strategy so that you can find out all the answers to the questions.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Ann mentions a name, but she's not really sure what that person's going to say.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_01: We bring that person in under subpoena and ask them.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Your name comes up, Guy.
• 1:18:55
  SPEAKER_01: We bring you in and find out what you know.
• 1:18:57
  SPEAKER_01: And between the three of you, we put those pieces of the puzzle together.
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_01: If somebody refuses a subpoena or refuses to answer, they can be found in contempt of Congress.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_01: If I'm not mistaken, everyone,
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_01: I believe Steve Bannon was found in contempt of Congress and went to jail
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_01: until Trump Pardoned him or brought him out, whatever happened.
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_01: And there's another knucklehead that was with the Trump administration.
• 1:19:24
  SPEAKER_01: The economist.
• 1:19:25
  SPEAKER_01: The economist who went through the same thing and played hardball and, you know, whatever.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_01: So in today's world, though, what happens is there are consequences.
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_01: The consequences can be fines.
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_01: There are regulatory fines that can be imposed, daily fines.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_01: You can be actually imprisoned.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_01: You could be referred out to criminal prosecution with the Department of Justice,
• 1:19:49
  SPEAKER_01: which right now is a complete waste of time, right?
• 1:19:52
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a really big deal.
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why when I predict that Trump may very well resign towards the end
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_01: of 2027, if everything happens the way I think it's going to,
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_01: it's going to be because of the power of subpoenas.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's unlike anything anybody's ever been through before.
• 1:20:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's a nightmare if you've done something wrong.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_02: But can't you take Take the Fifth Amendment 200 times?
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_00: I was just going to go to that.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know, Mitch, if you know, but my understanding, and it's been a while,
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_00: is that in regular practice, you know, if you are under criminal subpoena,
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_00: you can take the fifth and that's just, that's that.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_00: But if it's a civil subpoena and you take the fifth,
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_00: then the judge can draw an inference of what you would have said.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Do I still have that right, Mitch?
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure, but I think so.
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Peter Navarro was mentioned in the comments.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's who we were thinking of, Guy.
• 1:20:50
  SPEAKER_01: Peter Navarro.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Because I just don't
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_00: know if that's the same way with, you know,
• 1:20:55
  SPEAKER_00: if there's an inference that can be drawn under a, you know,
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_00: if someone takes the Fifth under a congressional subpoena. I don't know.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think you may be correct, Anne.
• 1:21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Before taking it that step, yes, Guy,
• 1:21:08
  SPEAKER_01: you can assert your Fifth Amendment rights when you're under oath.
• 1:21:13
  SPEAKER_01: In a non-criminal type of oversight hearing with Congress.
• 1:21:17
  SPEAKER_01: But then when you do so, there can be consequences depending on who's running
• 1:21:23
  SPEAKER_01: the Department of Justice or if it's in state court and it's prosecuting cases.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_02: What is the distinction between criminal and non-criminal?
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, why would you haul somebody's ass in there if it wasn't criminal?
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_01: So look at Jim Jordan, whose name came up in the comments, okay?
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_01: He was properly subpoenaed, and he refused to show up,
• 1:21:47
  SPEAKER_01: and nothing ever happened because of the people that are in charge, okay?
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_01: If Jim Jordan was subpoenaed for a civil—in other words,
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_01: we think you improperly created this new regulation
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_01: on cryptocurrency— We're not saying you broke the law,
• 1:22:03
  SPEAKER_01: but we're saying you didn't go through all the steps required under the statute.
• 1:22:07
  SPEAKER_01: That would be a civil subpoena and hearing to figure out if, in fact,
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_01: the civil statutes were followed.
• 1:22:14
  SPEAKER_01: If someone like Jim Jordan was found to have covered up the sexual abuse cases
• 1:22:20
  SPEAKER_01: at Ohio State and he knew about them and he didn't do something about them
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_01: or he participated in them, Then he might be brought
• 1:22:27
  SPEAKER_01: in under a criminal investigation relating to sexual abuse,
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_01: and he's subject to a criminal subpoena issued in a criminal investigation.
• 1:22:37
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so what
• 1:22:40
  SPEAKER_02: if someone is subpoenaed CEO of a tech company...
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_02: They ask him in the hearing, you know,
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_02: did you ever have any discussions with members of the Department of Commerce
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_02: or the Trump administration about making donations in exchange for exemption
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_02: from tariffs? Is that civil?
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_02: Is it criminal?
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_02: And if it's criminal, can you take the fifth on that?
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_00: I would say that it's civil,
• 1:23:04
  SPEAKER_00: but with the potential to reveal criminal action so that that person would take
• 1:23:09
  SPEAKER_00: the fifth.
• 1:23:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:23:11
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 1:23:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, but can you imagine a CEO of one of these big, you know,
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_02: tech companies taking the fifth?
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yes, you can.
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, well, don't forget, Guy, they don't go in there on their own.
• 1:23:27
  SPEAKER_00: Their lawyers aren't going to let them go in unprepared.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_00: They have their lawyers sitting right next to them.
• 1:23:33
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, absolutely.
• 1:23:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think they would take into consideration, Guy, shareholder wealth.
• 1:23:40
  SPEAKER_01: What regulations are dictating?
• 1:23:42
  SPEAKER_01: Who's controlling their AI company?
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_01: And what's going to happen with any governmental contracts on who's going to supply
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_01: the AI for the never-ending Iran war?
• 1:23:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's just a lot of issues with how people respond to questions.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_02: So if you were a tech bro billionaire, would you be lawyering up right now?
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_02: Would you be saying, nah, they're not going to go after me?
• 1:24:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just a tech guy.
• 1:24:07
  SPEAKER_01: I would be always surrounding myself with experienced,
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_01: effective legal counsel to help explain
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_01: to the other side exactly what misunderstandings they have with what I'm doing.
• 1:24:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, tech billionaires all have lawyers.
• 1:24:24
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't get to be tech billionaires without having good lawyers.
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but they're not necessarily surrounded by criminal lawyers, right? Yeah.
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like there's some companies out there who are not going to mention their names.
• 1:24:39
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm totally kidding.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm totally kidding.
• 1:24:43
  SPEAKER_01: Guys, it's very important right now.
• 1:24:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm getting at is for me looking at what happened on Tuesday night,
• 1:24:49
  SPEAKER_01: I know for a fact there's going to be consequences, right?
• 1:24:53
  SPEAKER_01: Whether it's with politicians, whether it's with corporate CEOs,
• 1:24:57
  SPEAKER_01: whether it's with stopping the Iran war,
• 1:24:59
  SPEAKER_01: whether it's with putting more food on our table,
• 1:25:01
  SPEAKER_01: whether it's with saving our environment, which is a big thing with me. Right.
• 1:25:06
  SPEAKER_01: All the environmental regulations that are being stripped.
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so with all of these issues,
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_01: you're going to see the people on the other side of the argument
• 1:25:13
  SPEAKER_01: that were supporting the Trump administration and doing their bidding
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_01: and taking their money and plowing down,
• 1:25:19
  SPEAKER_01: Native American artifacts to build this wall, which I just read about yesterday.
• 1:25:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're going to be lawyering up big time because they're gonna be pulled
• 1:25:28
  SPEAKER_01: in front of Congress and or smaller regulatory agencies in answering questions.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_01: If those questions result in answers that warrant full congressional oversight
• 1:25:41
  SPEAKER_01: then that's what we're gonna see.
• 1:25:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm all in on this and I'm glad it's happening and I think more
• 1:25:45
  SPEAKER_01: and more people will start to figure out why what just happened is so damn important
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_01: for our democracy.
• 1:25:53
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:25:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not running for office, John.
• 1:25:58
  SPEAKER_02: I am at the limit of my legal and political expertise.
• 1:26:02
  SPEAKER_02: I have just three more questions for you, okay?
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_02: And let us say that I call this section
• 1:26:11
  SPEAKER_02: the Fantasy Magic Wand Draft. Okay.
• 1:26:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:26:17
  SPEAKER_02: So if you had a fantasy magical wand
• 1:26:22
  SPEAKER_02: and you could pick a new Supreme Court justice,
• 1:26:27
  SPEAKER_02: who would you pick?
• 1:26:31
  SPEAKER_02: Mitch Jackson.
• 1:26:33
  SPEAKER_01: Mitch Jackson's paddleboarding.
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_01: Paddleboarding and running.
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I want to do. Wow.
• 1:26:39
  SPEAKER_01: How about Jack Smith?
• 1:26:41
  SPEAKER_01: For Supreme Court Justice.
• 1:26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, that guy could do anything.
• 1:26:44
  SPEAKER_01: I would like to see him be Attorney General.
• 1:26:47
  SPEAKER_01: I could see him being a Supreme Court Justice.
• 1:26:50
  SPEAKER_01: That would be my first name. I'd toss out.
• 1:26:52
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think, Anne?
• 1:26:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'd say James Bosberg.
• 1:26:55
  SPEAKER_00: He has been incredible.
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_00: An incredible judge since last January.
• 1:27:01
  SPEAKER_00: He's been amazing.
• 1:27:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:27:04
  SPEAKER_01: How about you, Guy?
• 1:27:05
  SPEAKER_00: How about you? Yeah, how about you?
• 1:27:07
  SPEAKER_02: Is there someone on your list?
• 1:27:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:27:10
  SPEAKER_02: Well, okay, so you're stealing my thunder
• 1:27:13
  SPEAKER_02: because the next magical fantasy draft question was,
• 1:27:18
  SPEAKER_02: who do you want to be Attorney General?
• 1:27:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I would have said Jack Smith, so he can't be in two places at once.
• 1:27:27
  SPEAKER_00: But you could still say that.
• 1:27:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, all right. So, okay, any change if the question is Attorney General?
• 1:27:35
  SPEAKER_01: I would have to give some thought to that.
• 1:27:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's a really good question.
• 1:27:40
  SPEAKER_00: My buddy Ty Cobb
• 1:27:43
  SPEAKER_00: or maybe James Comey just because that would be such a big in-your-face.
• 1:27:49
  SPEAKER_00: James Comey, Attorney General. I don't know.
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_00: I really don't know, but it sure would be a big, you know.
• 1:27:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'd like to see?
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'd like to see based upon what happened Tuesday night is I would like
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_01: to see there are a lot of very well-qualified women
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_01: who are extremely talented jurists who Frankly,
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think we do a better job than any man as attorney general or on the Supreme Court.
• 1:28:14
  SPEAKER_01: Kamala Harris for attorney general?
• 1:28:16
  SPEAKER_01: I would like to see any number of qualified jurists who are female take that position next.
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think that would be the right message for our country.
• 1:28:25
  SPEAKER_02: Mitch, name names.
• 1:28:27
  SPEAKER_02: That's a bullshit answer.
• 1:28:29
  SPEAKER_01: Kamala Harris. You're talking to a lawyer, guy.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's what you're going to get from me, my friend.
• 1:28:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know. I'd have to think about it. Seriously.
• 1:28:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's
• 1:28:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'd definitely think about it.
• 1:28:40
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, this is the last question.
• 1:28:43
  SPEAKER_02: And this is a trick question.
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm warning you right now.
• 1:28:47
  SPEAKER_00: They all are. Lawyers look at all questions as true.
• 1:28:50
  SPEAKER_02: This is your magical wand fantasy draft,
• 1:28:54
  SPEAKER_02: and you could pick the person to be the house minority leader.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_02: Who would you pick?
• 1:29:03
  SPEAKER_00: You mean like actually in January?
• 1:29:05
  SPEAKER_00: You're talking about this coming year?
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean if God asked you, Ann,
• 1:29:11
  SPEAKER_02: tell me who you want to be the House Minority Leader in the new Congress.
• 1:29:19
  SPEAKER_02: And this is a trick question because you might want to pick a bozo or you might want
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_02: to pick somebody good.
• 1:29:26
  SPEAKER_02: That's the tricky part.
• 1:29:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I need names here.
• 1:29:29
  SPEAKER_02: I would say, if you ask me, I'll go on the record first.
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_02: If I was given this ability, I'd say,
• 1:29:35
  SPEAKER_02: I want Jim Jordan to be the GOP in the House Minority Leader.
• 1:29:41
  SPEAKER_02: Because?
• 1:29:42
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 1:29:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's obvious why. All right.
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_02: So anyway.
• 1:29:48
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:29:49
  SPEAKER_02: So who would you say?
• 1:29:52
  SPEAKER_01: I really don't know.
• 1:29:55
  SPEAKER_01: We have to finish strong, and I just don't— Yeah, we cannot finish with— I don't know.
• 1:30:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, geez, I just don't have any respect for almost any of those— Exactly.
• 1:30:05
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, guys, like, I just— I can't think of a single person.
• 1:30:11
  SPEAKER_01: Why Jim Jordan, though? You brought Jim Jordan. Why Jim Jordan?
• 1:30:14
  SPEAKER_01: Are you joking?
• 1:30:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, look, these are mitch or I even have an opinion.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_00: At least you have a considered opinion.
• 1:30:21
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so I blew this question.
• 1:30:23
  SPEAKER_02: What I'm trying to say is you could purposely pick someone who would do a lousy job.
• 1:30:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but he's so damn annoying.
• 1:30:34
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to hear his voice.
• 1:30:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to listen to him, you know, listen to him answer the question,
• 1:30:39
  SPEAKER_01: how many times did you talk to Donald Trump on January 6th?
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_01: And listening to him rambling, I felt like, you know, you've got to be kidding me.
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't want these people in my life anymore, Guy.
• 1:30:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that is a good answer.
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_01: I will explain.
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_02: I will take that answer. All right. So, okay.
• 1:30:56
  SPEAKER_02: So now we cannot end on that.
• 1:30:59
  SPEAKER_02: So somebody just suggested Vivek.
• 1:31:03
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah.
• 1:31:06
  SPEAKER_02: Same answer. All right. All right.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_02: So.
• 1:31:09
  SPEAKER_02: I got to end on a more positive question,
• 1:31:10
  SPEAKER_02: and the positive question is for the 397 people who are listening,
• 1:31:16
  SPEAKER_02: if you could just say, you know, what could any of us do to preserve democracy,
• 1:31:23
  SPEAKER_02: make America great again, make America gracious again, make America green again,
• 1:31:28
  SPEAKER_02: make America generous again?
• 1:31:30
  SPEAKER_02: What can we do as individuals?
• 1:31:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think the thing that I would have said is what actually happened.
• 1:31:43
  SPEAKER_00: They turned out and voted and showed up.
• 1:31:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I would say keep showing up.
• 1:31:49
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't end with your one vote.
• 1:31:51
  SPEAKER_00: It begins with your one vote.
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_00: And you need to make sure you are dialoguing with your representatives,
• 1:31:57
  SPEAKER_00: letting them know Why you voted for them and reminding them that you voted for them.
• 1:32:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's why they're there.
• 1:32:04
  SPEAKER_00: And this is what you want.
• 1:32:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I will use as an example the conversation that Zev and Lev and I had,
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_00: it was only just yesterday, you know, about dealing with Citizens United.
• 1:32:19
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, there's actually the Disclose Act.
• 1:32:22
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't read it yet.
• 1:32:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you have, Mitch or Guy,
• 1:32:26
  SPEAKER_00: but that is Out there right now as a bill to deal with Citizens United,
• 1:32:31
  SPEAKER_00: call your representatives and tell them you want them to push this through.
• 1:32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay. Very important.
• 1:32:39
  SPEAKER_01: What a great final question, Guy.
• 1:32:41
  SPEAKER_01: This is a much better final question.
• 1:32:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, much better.
• 1:32:44
  SPEAKER_01: So what can I say?
• 1:32:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to edit the transcript.
• 1:32:49
  SPEAKER_01: This is like from the heart, and it is,
• 1:32:51
  SPEAKER_01: I want everyone to realize that you have not been alone.
• 1:32:57
  SPEAKER_01: Over the last couple of years, you weren't an outlier.
• 1:33:01
  SPEAKER_01: What you were thinking was spot on.
• 1:33:03
  SPEAKER_01: And America showed up and agreed with you and verified
• 1:33:09
  SPEAKER_01: that you weren't missing something,
• 1:33:12
  SPEAKER_01: that you do believe in democracy and you do believe in what this country is all
• 1:33:16
  SPEAKER_01: about. So with all of that in mind, I think if you have the time,
• 1:33:21
  SPEAKER_01: This is a great opportunity to start getting involved in local community politics
• 1:33:27
  SPEAKER_01: at the grassroots level.
• 1:33:29
  SPEAKER_01: This is where it starts.
• 1:33:31
  SPEAKER_01: And everybody that you see on television, everybody that won on Tuesday night,
• 1:33:36
  SPEAKER_01: most of them started at the grassroots local community level, right?
• 1:33:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so get involved, get involved and learn about the issues and spend as much time
• 1:33:47
  SPEAKER_01: as you do watching reality television at night.
• 1:33:51
  SPEAKER_01: Seriously, with learning, getting better answers to every question that Ann
• 1:33:57
  SPEAKER_01: and I were asked by Guy and we answered,
• 1:34:00
  SPEAKER_01: spend a few minutes and get better answers using, you know,
• 1:34:04
  SPEAKER_01: any of your favorite services and get involved and don't be afraid to stand tall.
• 1:34:10
  SPEAKER_01: Don't be afraid to be loud and don't be afraid.
• 1:34:13
  SPEAKER_01: To empower others, lead with kindness and empathy, and try to do the right thing.
• 1:34:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I think if we do that as Americans,
• 1:34:20
  SPEAKER_01: the country will be a better place and the world would be a greater place.
• 1:34:24
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what I would like to see happen.
• 1:34:26
  SPEAKER_00: Can I just say that the world literally breathes
• 1:34:31
  SPEAKER_00: a collective sigh of relief
• 1:34:34
  SPEAKER_00: on Tuesday and also Got a little bit
• 1:34:37
  SPEAKER_00: of faith back in America because they saw
• 1:34:41
  SPEAKER_00: the American people are not putting up with it.
• 1:34:47
  SPEAKER_02: Have any of you ever been to a Commonwealth Club
• 1:34:51
  SPEAKER_02: or either seen or heard
• 1:34:55
  SPEAKER_02: a Commonwealth Club of San Francisco event?
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was a member when I was in the Bay Area.
• 1:35:03
  SPEAKER_02: If my failing memory is correct, I think that at the end,
• 1:35:09
  SPEAKER_02: they bang a drum or they do something, right?
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_02: There's something like that.
• 1:35:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember, but I think I know where you're going.
• 1:35:18
  SPEAKER_02: So, on the Guy Kawasaki shows,
• 1:35:23
  SPEAKER_02: we hit this Sound bowl.
• 1:35:26
  SPEAKER_02: So I am going to hit this and we are going to end.
• 1:35:29
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you very much, Mitch and Ann.
• 1:35:31
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you all of you people for being here.
• 1:35:34
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, wait. Before you gong us out, my followers, thank you for being here.
• 1:35:41
  SPEAKER_00: And these two guys here, they're amazing.
• 1:35:44
  SPEAKER_00: If you're not following them, please do so.
• 1:35:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, thanks, Ann. Right back at you. We'll be right back to action.
• 1:35:51
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:35:59
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, that was fun.
• 1:36:02
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Guy. I really appreciate it.
• 1:36:03
  SPEAKER_01: Anne, it's great to see you.
• 1:36:04
  SPEAKER_00: Great to see you as well. All right.
• 1:36:07
  SPEAKER_00: Bye, everybody. Bye.
• 1:36:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going surfing.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_01: Let's see.
• 1:36:16
  SPEAKER_01: Enjoy the waves, Guy.
• 1:36:18
  SPEAKER_01: We're still live. All right. See you later. Bye-bye.
• 1:36:21
  SPEAKER_02: I like to read the chat comments.
• 1:36:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we had a lot of good questions, didn't we? Yeah.
• 1:36:27
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of good comments.
• 1:36:28
  SPEAKER_01: On your question on the minority house leader, though, we had a lot of Democrats being named.
• 1:36:34
  SPEAKER_01: We need to get up to speed on which house these people are in.
• 1:36:37
  SPEAKER_01: But hey, listen, we're going to make America, we're going to make things better.
• 1:36:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I really appreciate all you're doing, Guy.
• 1:36:44
  SPEAKER_01: I got to take off.
• 1:36:45
  SPEAKER_02: That wasn't my best question ever as a podcaster.
• 1:36:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you asked a lot of good ones. All right. Take care. Thank you. Bye.
• 1:36:53
  SPEAKER_02: Bye.
• 1:37:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just sitting here watching comments for a while.