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Not So Fast Episode 13 · Not So Fast

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Not So Fast with Andrew Perloff and Paul Pabst,
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  Speaker 1: where two longtime friends challenge each other on the biggest
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  Speaker 1: sports stories.
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  Speaker 2: Of the day. Here's Andrew Perloff and Paul Pabst. Not
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  Speaker 2: so fast, my friends.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Not So Fast. I'm Andrew Perloff. He is
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  Speaker 3: Paul Paps. Huge football weekend ahead, but first, Paul, last night.
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  Speaker 4: Last night wasn't even a football game on Thursday Night Football,
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  Speaker 4: Bill's lines.
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  Speaker 5: It felt like an event.
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  Speaker 3: It was incredible. You had the bare-naked ladies singing O
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  Speaker 3: Canada once more.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it was?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah, throwback to the 90s. There's nothing more Bills
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  Speaker 3: than that. You had Bruce Smith in the house. You
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  Speaker 3: had the new Highmark Stadium. Ryan Fitzpatrick doing all sorts
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  Speaker 3: of crazy things. I am so glad the Bills delivered
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  Speaker 3: on the field. I don't want to root one way
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  Speaker 3: or another, but if they'd come out totally flat after
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  Speaker 3: that opening, that would be a disaster.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they really couldn't have played better in the first half.
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  Speaker 5: It felt like... Touchdown, Josh Allen. Touchdown, Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 3: Pass.
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  Speaker 4: He dumped one to Knox just to give him a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of it, but it felt exactly what you
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  Speaker 4: wanted that night. The fireworks beforehand, tables getting broken, Josh
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  Speaker 4: Allen hitting everybody, keeping everybody happy.
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  Speaker 5: Look at this one. Is there a defender in the building?
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  Speaker 3: I was actually yelling at the Lions defensive coordinator Josh
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  Speaker 3: Allen is about to scramble right. He was going to
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  Speaker 3: do it every time. So Aiden Hutchinson would storm down
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  Speaker 3: the middle. Allen would run right around him. They would
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  Speaker 3: blitz like crazy and Allen would get around it. They
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  Speaker 3: had no game plan at all for him.
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  Speaker 4: It felt like Aiden Hutchinson was on an island and
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  Speaker 4: it was just chasing around. And Josh Allen was just
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  Speaker 4: doing it with his legs, giving to his running back.
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  Speaker 2: It was beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, against the blitz, he was 12 for 17, 137 yards,
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  Speaker 3: two TDs. Right now, Paul, in my mind, he's unstoppable.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, to the point where I am thinking about
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  Speaker 3: changing my Super Bowl pick in the AFC to the Bills,
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  Speaker 3: he's that good where he can carry a team. Football
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  Speaker 3: is an ultimate team sport. To me, this is a
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  Speaker 3: one-man team, and usually that does not work. It's working
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  Speaker 3: with him.
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  Speaker 4: He does feel undefendable, and they have a running game
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  Speaker 4: with James Cook. I know the running game is because
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  Speaker 4: of Josh Allen. You've got to contain him. but it
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  Speaker 4: feels like the only negative from last night is the
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  Speaker 4: DJ Moore injury, and it doesn't look like it's that bad,
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  Speaker 4: but it felt like one of those perfect nights where
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  Speaker 4: you reminded the entire world that Josh Allen is the
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  Speaker 4: best player in football?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely the best player in football. I mean, the
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  Speaker 3: one competition is, I guess, Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes,
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  Speaker 3: but right now, Josh Allen is playing better than anybody.
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  Speaker 4: We'll talk a little more about that later, and on
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  Speaker 4: the Lions side of it, it felt like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: there they are going down the field. It felt like
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  Speaker 4: The backup defensive backs were doing nothing. James Cook running
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  Speaker 4: wild here. It did feel like they were two separate teams.
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  Speaker 4: The Bills feel like a Super Bowl favorite. The Lions
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  Speaker 4: feel like a team that can.
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  Speaker 5: Make the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they have some work to do to
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  Speaker 3: make the playoffs. They were not good in the second
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  Speaker 3: half against the Saints. They have injuries everywhere, Paul.
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  Speaker 4: The Lions cut that to a 10-point game with eight
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  Speaker 4: and a half minutes left, and they didn't get a stop.
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  Speaker 5: I wouldn't say they were in it, but they were
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  Speaker 5: in it-ish.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I am not sold on that team
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  Speaker 3: at all. Obviously, everyone knows about their safeties are out
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  Speaker 3: with injuries. Then the O-line got all banged up. I
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  Speaker 3: felt like the Bills sort of let them hang around.
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  Speaker 3: They were up 27-7. They got that field goal at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the half. If the Bills wanted to
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  Speaker 3: go 59 like your Chicago Bears, I think they could have.
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  Speaker 5: Do you have any issues with the Bills going forward?
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  Speaker 3: None whatsoever. In fact, I am so excited about it.
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  Speaker 3: I have some comparisons for Josh Allen in my mind. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: he was so dominant in that first half, I got
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  Speaker 3: to thinking, is anyone ever gonna be able to stop him?
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  Speaker 3: Even in the playoffs where the Bills have struggled, How
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  Speaker 3: about SGA two years ago with Oklahoma City? Could not
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  Speaker 3: be stopped. Oh, you're going NBA? I'm going NBA. How
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  Speaker 3: about Kawhi in 2019 with the Raptors? Barry Bonds in
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  Speaker 3: baseball in 2003 or 2004. Aaron Donald in the Super
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  Speaker 3: Bowl when he said, the Rams are not going to
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  Speaker 3: lose this game. I'm going to single-handedly take down the Bengals.
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  Speaker 3: And he just went ahead and did that. I think
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  Speaker 3: Josh Allen is playing so good right now. Superman is
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  Speaker 3: the analogy for me. I see no... No player who's
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  Speaker 3: doing what he's doing, and not only that, he makes
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  Speaker 3: everything around him easier. James Cook has all these wide
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  Speaker 3: holes because all the defense is watching Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to not so fast you real quick
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  Speaker 4: because Josh Allen has been doing this for the past
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  Speaker 4: six years, and they haven't gotten that close. I will
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  Speaker 4: say I love their running game now compared to five
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  Speaker 4: years ago. We always say this in September. He's the
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  Speaker 4: September VP every year. What would be the thing that
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  Speaker 4: keeps him from the Super Bowl? If he can't, is
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  Speaker 4: it just... Being a bill, like being the bills keeps
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  Speaker 4: them from the Super Bowl. And I'm not trying to
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  Speaker 4: say they're jinxed. I don't like that kind of talk.
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  Speaker 4: But it does feel like they're a team that why
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't you pick them to the Super Bowl?
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  Speaker 5: They have everything.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think this is the same Josh Allen. I
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  Speaker 3: know what you're saying. He obviously won the MVP. He's
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  Speaker 3: been a great player, but what he did at Houston,
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  Speaker 3: specifically in Week 1, the best defense in the entire NFL.
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  Speaker 3: He carved them up. He just wrapped them around his finger,
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  Speaker 3: could do whatever he wanted. He can run without risk
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  Speaker 3: of injury, which Lamar Jackson cannot do. He'll try any
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  Speaker 3: throw out there, Paul, and he usually hits it.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, we're going to talk about helmet stickers in a second.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to talk about Highmark, but I've been saving
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  Speaker 4: this one for a while. Would you say, without a doubt,
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  Speaker 4: Josh Allen is the best football player in the NFL?
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  Speaker 3: Right now, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: If you needed a win in a fourth quarter of
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  Speaker 4: a playoff game where you were down, would you take
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  Speaker 4: Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes?
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  Speaker 3: Current Patrick Mahomes.
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  Speaker 5: Right. Even in his state of his health?
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  Speaker 3: Right now, Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 5: I don't believe you believe that.
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  Speaker 3: Did you watch Patrick Mahomes last week?
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  Speaker 5: I did, and I think he's going to inch his
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  Speaker 5: way back.
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  Speaker 4: But I also think we forget sometimes because Josh Allen,
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  Speaker 4: he feels like the kid in high school that was bigger, stronger,
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  Speaker 4: and faster than everybody, and he's dating the prom queen.
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  Speaker 5: He seems unstoppable.
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  Speaker 4: When you watch his games, he's not afraid of contact,
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  Speaker 4: and he never gets hurt. He really is the Superman
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  Speaker 4: of the sport. Mahomes doesn't have that physical running physicality
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  Speaker 4: that Josh Allen has. But I really think that people
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  Speaker 4: take Mahomes for granted. And if you're being honest with yourself,
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  Speaker 4: if we had the NSF lie detector, you get Orlovsky
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  Speaker 4: in here, you get all these people in here that
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  Speaker 4: say Josh Allen's the greatest thing since sliced bread. You
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  Speaker 4: would take Mahomes in the fourth quarter of a playoff
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  Speaker 4: game down seven.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Tom Brady got hurt right at the prime of
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  Speaker 3: his career. Remember, he got hit below the knee. He
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  Speaker 3: came back. It took him a year to get back
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  Speaker 3: to where he should be. So I do not think
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  Speaker 3: you have prime Patrick Mahomes this season. So that's why
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  Speaker 3: I'm going Josh Allen. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: I still don't believe that you believe him, but I
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  Speaker 4: love where you're going.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, that guy, you know, the guy in
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  Speaker 3: high school, the football star. I let him copy my
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  Speaker 3: homework all the time. I know that guy really well.
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  Speaker 3: And Josh Allen, one thing about him, too, there's a
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  Speaker 3: destiny feel. I know that's not an analytic or anything,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm all about the analytics, but it does feel
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  Speaker 3: he is way too good to not win a Super
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  Speaker 3: Bowl at some point.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let's stay with that for a second, because the
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  Speaker 4: pressure on this guy now, he has the coach he wanted,
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  Speaker 4: Joe Brady, former OC. He has a new building. That's
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  Speaker 4: the house that Josh Allen built. They said that 20
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  Speaker 4: times on the broadcast. And he is at 30 years old.
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  Speaker 4: Going to be 31. The math works out that way.
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  Speaker 4: It does feel like the pressure is so out of
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  Speaker 4: hand to not be the Dan Marino of his generation
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  Speaker 4: that something is destined to go wrong, not destined to
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  Speaker 4: go right.
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  Speaker 3: I know exactly what you're saying. And there's a funny
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  Speaker 3: tweet out there. The Bills look so good. Maybe they'll
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  Speaker 3: lose in the championship game and not the divisional round
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  Speaker 3: this year. But that being said, the AFC is a
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  Speaker 3: little weird this year. I think the Chiefs are going
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  Speaker 3: to take some time with Patrick Mahomes coming off the injury.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think the Ravens look good right now, but
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot to be determined there. I want my mulligan, Paul.
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  Speaker 3: I want Josh Allen. I just feel it's like a movie.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a movie in real time.
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  Speaker 4: It's not the weekend yet. If you want to change
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  Speaker 4: your Super Bowl pick, you have half an hour to
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  Speaker 4: think about it. I will say, though, America wants the
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  Speaker 4: Bills to win. They love their fans. They love the tailgate.
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  Speaker 4: I love the outdoor stadium. Highmark looked great last night.
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  Speaker 4: And then we mentioned last night on the broadcast you
• 7:37
  Speaker 4: saw four straight Super Bowls, Jim Kelly and his crew,
• 7:40
  Speaker 4: the most talented.
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  Speaker 5: Losers of all time. Losers in the Super Bowl, not
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  Speaker 5: losers in life.
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  Speaker 4: It does feel like America would absolutely embrace the Lions
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  Speaker 4: as well because they're like the Cubs. But I think
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  Speaker 4: America would embrace, has embraced the Bucs.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Josh Allen, of course, celebrity girlfriend. We need to
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  Speaker 3: give out game stickers.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: And there's so many to give out, obviously, on the
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  Speaker 3: Buffalo side. Paul, you want to get us started?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to go with Bill's running back, James Cook.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he had 1,600 yards last year. He had
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  Speaker 4: two other 1,000-yard seasons before that. This guy is the
• 8:06
  Speaker 4: most unknown star in the NFL. Now, I know James Cook,
• 8:10
  Speaker 4: he gets a lot of his yards because they're focused
• 8:12
  Speaker 4: on Jael Shallon. but 1,600 last year. And last night,
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  Speaker 4: 21 for 135. I do wonder, James Cook, and look
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  Speaker 4: at that helmet sticker.
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  Speaker 3: Is that a flattering picture? It looks like he's falling
• 8:21
  Speaker 3: down for the sticker.
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  Speaker 5: But we are lifting him up with that helmet sticker.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough.
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  Speaker 4: I wonder if James Cook ever gets salty when they
• 8:26
  Speaker 4: get to the goal line and Josh Allen just pounds
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  Speaker 4: it in.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 5: Can I get a couple of those touchdowns?
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  Speaker 3: I'm a James Cook fantasy owner. I get salty. You are?
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  Speaker 3: I was screaming at the TV last night.
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  Speaker 5: Who's your helmet sticker for?
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to stay on the Bills offense. Dalton Kincaid,
• 8:38
  Speaker 3: seven catches, 95 yards, a touchdown. And he had the
• 8:41
  Speaker 3: big catch in week one over Stingley, the best cornerback
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  Speaker 3: in the NFL, arguably. He is playing at an elite level,
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  Speaker 3: former first-round pick out of Utah. There are a lot
• 8:50
  Speaker 3: of good players on Buffalo. I think that he is
• 8:52
  Speaker 3: the transcendent target. People are looking to DJ Moore to
• 8:55
  Speaker 3: be the guy who takes Josh Allen to the next level.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's tight end Dalton Kincaid. And this is
• 8:59
  Speaker 3: now a tight end league, Paul. Everyone's talking about 12
• 9:02
  Speaker 3: personnel and 13 personnel getting more tight ends on the field.
• 9:05
  Speaker 3: Dalton Kincaid stands out to me as maybe the one
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  Speaker 3: go-to weapon. Again, talking about a difference maker in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's Kincaid.
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  Speaker 4: On the touchdown pass he had to Knox in the
• 9:15
  Speaker 4: end zone, his other tight end, Josh Allen's running right.
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  Speaker 4: And like you said, they have to focus on him.
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  Speaker 4: Knox just turns around and goes like this. And Josh goes, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I'll let him have it. Like he was sharing at
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  Speaker 4: the playground.
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  Speaker 3: And he had another two open targets behind him because,
• 9:27
  Speaker 3: and we'll get into Detroit a little more. their defensive
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  Speaker 3: coordinator had no game plan. No. I don't know if
• 9:33
  Speaker 3: they have a defensive coordinator. They have someone in there.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't know his name. Yeah, Kelvin Shepard really
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  Speaker 3: struggled last night. It might be the personnel. They have
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  Speaker 3: a lot of injuries. I love your Aiden Hutchinson. He
• 9:43
  Speaker 3: was sucking wind by the end because he's basically the
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  Speaker 3: only guy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a great night in Buffalo. Felt like
• 9:48
  Speaker 4: a homecoming game. The field was a star. There was
• 9:51
  Speaker 4: tables everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: It was a good night.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: All right, coming up next, which team needs to win
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  Speaker 3: the most in Week two? I'm going to give you
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  Speaker 3: my take next. Not so fast.
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  Speaker 4: OK, Pearl, time for the midday pick me up. And
• 10:02
  Speaker 4: you're an Ivy Leaguer. Here's an Ivy Leaguer for you.
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  Speaker 4: A Harvard guy.
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  Speaker 5: There he is. Ryan Fitzpatrick.
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  Speaker 3: Bingo.
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  Speaker 4: You got to like the form. I mean, that's a
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  Speaker 4: guy who's been there.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Ryan looked right at home last night in Buffalo,
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  Speaker 3: like a fan almost.
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  Speaker 4: How do you think that plays in the Harvard community?
• 10:18
  Speaker 4: Because this is not what they're known for.
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  Speaker 3: I got to be honest, I don't know how Ryan
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: Fitzpatrick got into Harvard. I've talked to him a few times.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen him around. He was at Lake Tahoe with
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: DP Show. He doesn't seem like a Harvard guy.
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  Speaker 4: And they don't give scholarships for football. I think you
• 10:29
  Speaker 4: also have to have grades. I'll defer to you. You
• 10:32
  Speaker 4: played JV at Dartmouth. Did you get in because of
• 10:34
  Speaker 4: your abilities or because of your grades?
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  Speaker 3: That was my jump shot for sure. No, Ryan Fitzpatrick,
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  Speaker 3: I understand he had a huge Wunderlich score, and he
• 10:42
  Speaker 3: is smart, but he's one of those smart guys who
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: sounds dumb sometimes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the beard, I love it. But, you know, no
• 10:47
  Speaker 4: elbow patches for him.
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  Speaker 5: All right, let's get to it.
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  Speaker 4: We love warm takes here on Not So Fast with
• 10:50
  Speaker 4: Paps and Perloff. I'm going to go first on a nice, warm,
• 10:53
  Speaker 4: cozy one, getting into the college football weekend. This LSU
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  Speaker 4: Ole Miss game is nine months in the making. This
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  Speaker 4: is when Lane Kiffin leaves town. I mean, he ran
• 11:01
  Speaker 4: out of town like he had the authorities after him.
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  Speaker 4: Some wanted to. And this has been building and building
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  Speaker 4: and building. It's almost anticlimactic at this point. And now
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  Speaker 4: the thing is, who are you rooting for if you
• 11:11
  Speaker 4: don't have a dog in the fight, LSU at Ole Miss?
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  Speaker 4: I would say if you did a poll, it's probably
• 11:15
  Speaker 4: most people are rooting for Ole Miss for payback. You
• 11:18
  Speaker 4: spurned us. We still have good players. Let's take you down,
• 11:21
  Speaker 4: bring you down a notch. I can make the case, though,
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  Speaker 4: you'd also root for Lane Kiffin because you want to
• 11:26
  Speaker 4: see LSU relevant this year. You want to see LSU
• 11:28
  Speaker 4: in the playoffs. Kiffin is a button pusher. Even if
• 11:31
  Speaker 4: you don't like him, you've got to like the content
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  Speaker 4: he provides.
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  Speaker 3: I know we do.
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  Speaker 5: I would say this. If you don't know who to
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  Speaker 5: root for.
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  Speaker 4: I'm rooting for a second act in this trilogy. I
• 11:39
  Speaker 4: want three, if you could, but you can only get two.
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  Speaker 4: I would like to see the loser of Ole Miss-LSU
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  Speaker 4: make the playoffs. And if I'm concocting the playoffs and
• 11:48
  Speaker 4: they build it later, I make sure Ole Miss versus
• 11:51
  Speaker 4: LSU has a second act.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if it's possible. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 5: ways to go.
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  Speaker 4: But if the loser can get it back together, this
• 11:57
  Speaker 4: is not a bad loss on your resume if you
• 11:59
  Speaker 4: lose this game. If you can get it back together,
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  Speaker 4: maybe LSU-Ole.
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  Speaker 5: Miss part do.
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  Speaker 3: I have some bad news.
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  Speaker 5: I don't like bad news.
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  Speaker 3: That's not happening, Paul. I'll tell you why. LSU's got
• 12:09
  Speaker 3: Texas A & M, who's stacked, Alabama, Texas, at Tennessee,
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: and Mississippi State, who looks dangerous as well. How is
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: LSU— I know that Lane Kiffin looked great against Clemson. That's
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: a bad Clemson team. I think there's trouble ahead for LSU.
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  Speaker 4: But also remember, whoever's putting together the playoff committee, whoever's
• 12:25
  Speaker 4: putting together the playoffs— They are going to build a show,
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  Speaker 4: and they are going to try to work. They worked
• 12:30
  Speaker 4: in Notre Dame every year. They're going to try to
• 12:31
  Speaker 4: work in LSU.
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  Speaker 3: They have to end with two losses there, and I'm
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: not sure Ole Miss is a great team. So we'll see.
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, right now it feels like a top-ten matchup.
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be that at the
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: end of the season.
• 12:43
  Speaker 5: You're papooing my sequel.
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: I know. Listen, you're right that that would be great TV,
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: but I would hope that they're actually looking at results
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: on the field.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go to the NFL. The Chargers host
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: the Raiders and the Rams host the Giants on Monday night.
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: We have back-to-back games at SoFi. I got to tell you, Paul.
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: this better be a good weekend of pro football in L.A.
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: or that town is going to forget they have the NFL.
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: Because the Chargers and the Rams were such duds in
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: Week 1. Now, I know the Rams were in Australia
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: and they flew in too late, but the Chargers had
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: the most disappointing loss of the whole Week 1 against
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: the Cardinals. Now, listen, the Raiders look pretty good. If
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: the Chargers fall to the Raiders... The very few fans
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: that they do have are gone. Right. And the Rams,
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: all the national expectations, they better deliver in a primetime audience. Listen,
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: the Dodgers just clinched ball. USC is in a great
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: position to go 4-0. They play Rutgers. So they're going
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: to go back to USC being the only football team
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: in town. And the Dodgers are going to take all
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: the oxygen out of the air in L.A. So it
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: is now or never for the Chargers and Rams.
• 13:47
  Speaker 4: You're 100% right because L.A. fans are fickle. I mean,
• 13:50
  Speaker 4: there was so much buzz when they got Harbaugh there.
• 13:52
  Speaker 5: It's still there.
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: Mike McDaniel, the offensive coordinator, it's still there. Justin Herbert,
• 13:57
  Speaker 4: it's still there. But the Rams, the Rams were like
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: destiny team where the playoffs are not even a question.
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: It's like, who are they going to play in the
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl? Not if they make it.
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: Well, listen, they should be OK against the Giants. But
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: can you imagine if Cam Scadaboo came to L.A. and
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: ran all over them? Rams fans are just going to
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: go 0-2 and be so upset.
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: And I think they got blindsided by the Miles Garrett
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: knee surgery. I don't think there was any talk in
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: the preseason that he was hurt, hobbled. got injured in
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: some type of activity. And I know it's some type
• 14:24
  Speaker 4: of career cleanup on the knee, but look at the Rams' schedule.
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: It gets a lot tougher.
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, a lot tougher.
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: Even that Arizona game is not a gimme anymore.
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, 0-5 is a possibility. I think they
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: turn it around pretty quickly. The Giants look great against Dallas.
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: The Rams are another level. You know, the whole thing
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: about the flight was they wanted to be ready for
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: week two and not stay in Australia too long. They
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: better show up. Stafford looked old. I'm just going to
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: say that week one looked like his back was cranky.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: You know how it is.
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know how it is. Yeah, I'm the old
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: guy in the room.
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: All right, here we go. My next warm take. Let's
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: go to the Detroit Lions. Now, you would think I
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: wouldn't root for the Lions, but I think you root
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: for stories and sports. And I get worried sometimes for
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: other fan bases. Like, I don't care really about the Lions,
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: but their fan base deserves a one. One title in
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: their lifetime. I grew up a Cubs fan.
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: I got my one.
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: So here's my thing. If you're a Lions fan and
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: I offer this contract to you, I don't have the
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: authority to do so from the big man upstairs. But
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: I can guarantee you the Lions win a Super Bowl
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: this year or next year. But let's say it's this year.
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: But you have to sign a piece of paper. And
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: when you sign that piece of paper, you get your
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: guaranteed Super Bowl this year with your Lions, but you
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: never win again in your lifetime.
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: You just middle about. And it's happened before.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: Again, if you were a fan of a Chicago team
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: and you love the 85 Bears, they haven't been back.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, 06, they were kind of back. But if
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: you were a Lions fan, and let's say you're 50
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: years old or older, when you sign a contract that says,
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: I would do this. I don't think Bills fans would
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: because I think they believe Josh Allen could get it done.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: But I think if you said to a Lions fan,
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: here's a contract, one title, one time, that's it, it's over,
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: they would sign.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: I'm going to speak as an Eagles fan. The first
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl is so sweet. The rest is gravy. So
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: when the Eagles beat the Patriots in Minnesota, you and
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: I were standing there together. I cried, as you recall. Yes.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: That's all I needed. I was with you. That's all
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: I needed. I was fine. One Super Bowl is all
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: you need. I think any Lions fan should take this deal. Right.
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: It's like Neil Armstrong. He didn't get back to the
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: moon and say, hey, man, I want to get back
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: up there. He said, I'm fine. You just need one.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: Cubs fans know this. I think Cleveland Guardians, old Indians
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: fans would know this. Detroit Lions fans sure know this.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: And I think Buffalo... all the pain that they've had,
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: they may sign this contract.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, Detroit, you're going back to 57. 57. They
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: would do anything to win, and it'd be so sweet.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: In fact, the whole country would love it. I think
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: a one-time Super Bowl championship is fine. That's all you need.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: There's no Chiefs. There's no Steelers from the 70s coming anymore. Yeah,
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: I don't need a dynasty. I need the one. Yeah,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: let's put up a poll. Okay. All right, my next
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: warm take back to the NFL. Dallas Cowboys. There are
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: a lot of must-win teams, but if the Cowboys go
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: 0-2 after this offseason, it is going to be the
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: disaster of all disasters. They host their rival, the Washington Commanders.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: If they lose, I think Jerry Jones goes bananas. I
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: think that he tries to make a big trade, tries
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: to get Max Crosby to Dallas or something, gives up resources.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: I think George Pickens starts to get a little antsy.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: You know, he has a contract situation. I think everything
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: starts to go wrong. Dak, people are going to wonder,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: is Dak overrated? And then Brian Schottenheimer. Or people are
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: going to think maybe Schottenheimer's not the right coach. You know,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: he only won seven games last year, Paul, and he
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: was sort of a hot coaching guy. Everyone liked Schottenheimer.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: If he goes 0-2 in Dallas, I think his seat
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: already gets to be warm. This is a massive, massive game.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: I think everyone's taking Washington way too lightly. No one's
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: talking about the commanders, but they still have Jaden Daniels
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: and Healthy. If Dallas does not show up and their
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: defense cannot stop the run against Washington, it's a total disaster. Yeah,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: I think this is more of a pick-em game than
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: a real, like, not a favorite in this game. And
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: I think the level of freak-outs with Dallas would be
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: the media would freak out, of course. Jerry Jones, because
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: he goes on a radio station every week. He's not
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: like other owners that just don't talk. And then I
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: think the blame would go to the defensive coordinator and say, like,
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: you've got all these new toys. You've got all these
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: new things to play with. Schottenheimer would have to eat it.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: But he's got this season. And I think it's going
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: to be, you have to be a little bit patient
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: with Dallas and let the new guys, Caleb Downs, Rashawn.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: Gary, play out.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: But people will not be patient. I'm saying you should be.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: They won't.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: That is the one given all sports. People will not
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: be patient. You know, new defensive coordinator Christian Parker from
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Vic Fangio in Philly. Yep. I think he's only 30,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: so you're right. They should give him time, but that's
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: not how this works.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: All right, a couple more games to chop up this
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: weekend that we think are extra saucy here in Not
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: So Fast. Vikings at Bears. Everyone is gushing over the Bears' offense.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: They're going to score 100 points a game. Carson Wentz,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: he should... That was a one-timer. He's not going to
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: do anything against the Bears offense. This is a not-so-fast,
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: scary game for the Bears.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. This is such a great matchup on
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: the coaching standpoint. The Vikings have Brian Flores, who blitzed
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Jordan Love into the bleachers, basically, last week in Green Bay.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: They're going to come after Caleb Williams. I pulled up
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: the numbers, Paul. Caleb Williams has an 88.1 passer rating
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: against Brian Flores in four games. He's 1-1. It's a
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: hard assignment. Forget 59 points against Carolina. I think Caleb
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Williams just wants to play okay against a defense that
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: was very good last week.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: I think I was a little surprised by that because
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: I would have thought that Caleb Williams, who's a born scrambler,
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: not runner, but scrambler, would do well against the Blitz
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: because he knows how to get away from it even
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: for a few seconds.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but Brian Flores is totally, he fools you. He'll
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: blitz heavy one game, then he won't blitz the next.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: He's a great defensive coach. Probably should be a head coach.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: And meanwhile, on the other side, I didn't think the Bears'
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: defense looked good last week. Oh, they didn't. And Carson
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Wentz looked pretty good in the fourth quarter. I'm a
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: little worried. you know I I am sort of a
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: fan of Carson Wentz going back to Philly I don't
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: know what quarterback.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: We're getting yeah I think the Bears defense could make
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Carson Wentz look like North Dakota State Carson Wentz yeah
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: they have that ability one more game real quick Jags
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: at Broncos, still people, a lot of people talk about
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: the Broncos, still not the Jags.
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: How do you feel about this one?
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, I picked the Broncos to win the Super Bowl,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: so they need to show up, but I got to
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: be honest, the Jags make me so nervous. They look
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: so good against Cleveland, but it was against Cleveland. So
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: do we know that Trevor Lawrence is going to be
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: dominant in this game? I think it's a much harder assignment.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the Jags need a nice national TV win. Trevor Lawrence,
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: he needs one of those. This game, not on national TV.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: A lot of people will see it, the 4-0-5 Eastern window,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: but The Jags need a national TV Monday night, Thursday night,
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Sunday night win to make people, force people to.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: Talk about them.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: I want to claim a guy, Parker Washington, wide receiver Jacksonville.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: He is hard to stop. Big, big fan.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: Of course you called him.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: All right, coming up next, NBC Sports' Joshua Perry, their
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: college football analyst, gets you set for the entire college
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: football weekend.
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: LSU, Ole Miss, and much, much more. Stick around. Not
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: so fast.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Be right back. Welcome back. Not so fast. Perloff and Pabst,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: huge college football weekend ahead. We got Western Kentucky at Indiana,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Michigan State at Notre Dame on Peacock at NBC. We
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: are so fired up, Paul. I know you are just
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: ready to hit the couch. Start with Big Ten College
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Countdown on NBC, of course, with Joshua Perry. Joshua, how
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: you doing? You look like you could still hit somebody.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: How you feeling?
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Feeling pretty good. I know I look like I might
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: be able to hit somebody. I don't know how it
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: would go if I stepped between the lines. I'm a soft,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: older guy right now, so I like where I'm at.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but let's not kid each other. You played linebacker
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: at Ohio State. We played in the band.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: I was an archer.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: You could kill both of us. All right, let's get
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: right to it. We're going to talk about the Big
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Ten in a second. But LSU and Ole Miss. Lane
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Kiffin may be playing games this week with the status
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: of his quarterback, Sam Levitt. If you were on Ole Miss,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: you played defense. Are you preparing for a quarterback or
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: an offensive system?
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I'm preparing for the offensive system more than the quarterback,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: but I think he makes the thing go. The interesting
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: thing about Leavitt is I think he's been more successful
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: when he can scramble, when he can use his legs,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: and if you keep him in the pocket. So the
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: idea there is to rely on the fact that he
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: might not be super efficient if he can throw from
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: the pocket. And if you have the opportunity to hit
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: him outside of the pocket, you've got to get your
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: licks in. But it's been his legs that have been
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: driving the offense so far this year for LSU.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Joshua, obviously you're a little biased here as an Ohio
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: State alum, but Ohio State loses a close game to Texas,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: falls to number six in the AP ranking. Do they
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: deserve to fall over teams like Miami, who beats up
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: on nobody? So a bunch of teams that won easy
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: games advanced past them. Do you think the committee down
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: the road would penalize Ohio State for this loss?
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I think the committee sees it differently than AP voters.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think they should be penalized.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Listen, they led for, I mean, most of the game,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the whole game basically really took it to Texas in
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the first half. And to go down, regardless of the outcome,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: on the road early in the year, lose by a point,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: those might be the best two teams that we just
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: saw down there. So if you put Texas at one,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think Ohio State can be too far behind.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: But the reality of the situation is.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: AP voters kind of have that whole mentality where if
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: you lose you have to drop and it's probably got
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: to be behind some teams that haven't lost yet I
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: get it.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: I dislike it Ohio State's got a ton of talent
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: their wide receiver Jeremiah Smith he feels like he's been
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: a pro since he was 17 years old is he
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: you've seen a lot of players you played against a
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: lot of players physical talent pro prospect is he the
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: best you've ever seen.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, he is.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: He's of another world, and it's everything that he does
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: in his game. He's got great physicality, obviously. The size
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: is ridiculous. What he can do catching the ball, whether
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: it's combat catches, whether it's a one-handed catch. You saw
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: a couple of uncharacteristic drops from him, but typically that's
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: not stuff that you get. And he's one of the
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: hardest workers. You talk to anybody around that program. I've
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: seen it firsthand. The guy grinds and he doesn't really
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: talk a lot. He just does the work. So I'm
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: excited to see how he finishes this year. If you
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: ask me, that is the Heisman Trophy winner. I mean,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: we saw what he did against Texas. I don't need
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: all the campaigning. I don't need people sending out PR packages.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Who is the best player in college football? It's Jeremiah Smith.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know. There's another receiver down in Miami, Malachi Toney.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Do you think that you can have two receivers at
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: the top of the boat? That'd be awesome.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's a reality there.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Now Malachi is going to have the same thing that
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I think Julian and Jeremiah had. He's got a really
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: good quarterback in Darian Mensah, so it kind of splits
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: about there. Malachi Toney is a different player, smaller in size,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: but they use him in different roles in that offense,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: which is phenomenal. But if you have to ask me
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: to rank them, it's Jeremiah and then it's a gap
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and then it's everybody else playing wide receiver in college football.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: All right, Joshua, we had a discussion earlier today about
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: the Georgia depth chart from 2021. We were wondering how
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: James Cook, the Bills running back, was not a starter.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Then we got into great college depth charts. Then we
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: pulled up your depth chart from 2015 Ohio State.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: Silly.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: I have seven first rounders on your defense. You were
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: a fourth round pick and you were the 11th player
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: drafted from your team. Is this the best defensive depth
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: chart in college football history in your mind or where
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: do you stack up?
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, it might have been, I know Saban had
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: some really good ones. Kirby had a hell of a
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: run over the last few years. I played with some
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: studs and the wild thing in 2014, we won the championship.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I led the team in tackles and nobody was talking
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: about me because they're talking about Joey Bosa. And they're
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: talking about Darren Lee, who was a young guy who
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: hit the scene that year. And Ray Paul McMillan was
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: a freshman. You know, you had Eli Apple and a
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of guys who ended up being freshmen. Really
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: good players. So we had talent. We had competition. And
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I think that's lacking a little bit right now with
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the way that the talent's flattened out because of the
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: transfer portal. But every day it was a fight. And
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Urban would tell us, I'm recruiting the next guy to
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: take your job.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: So don't let it happen.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: So, Joshua, let's talk about Indiana football. I think you're
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: in Bloomington right now as we speak for your show.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Not a lot of coverage of Indiana, even though they're
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: the defending national title holders. They're playing some games where
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: you don't know what Howard means. You don't know what
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: the Western Kentucky team means. But when you look at
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: this team with their new quarterback, do you see any
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: drop-off or is it a little early to tell?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I think it's early to tell. Offensively, I feel pretty
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: good about where they're at. Josh Hoover's biggest concern was,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: will he turn the football over? But I think the
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Kurt Cignetti offense is one that is quarterback friendly. They
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: give easy access throws off of RPOs. They want to
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: run the football and they'll take the shots down the field.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: And by the way, Charlie Becker, really good wide receiver
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: to throw shots to. Nick Marsh is another one that
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: they can throw some shots down the field to as well.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: My question becomes about their defense.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: And it centers around a guy who is like five
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: foot nine at cornerback who might have been the most
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: important player in their program in D'Angelo Pons.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: He's gone.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: But what he allowed them to do last year was
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: he would take away half the field. They could get
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: a little bit more exotic in the coverage and they
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: could let the guys up front eat. And I'm not
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: sure that they've replaced that. So I'm curious how their
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: defense adapts as they get in a big template.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Oregon loses to Oklahoma State, a team that a lot
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: of us had going all the way. What's the fallout
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: from that loss? Are we giving up on the Ducks?
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Man, it's so hard because what we saw was not
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: pretty at all. And frankly, the game shouldn't have been
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: that close because Oregon caught some breaks in terms of
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: some turnovers that were kind of crazy there and turned
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: them into points. I thought they would be better on
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: both lines of scrimmage. They got owned on the line
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: of scrimmage against Oklahoma State. Dante Moore, he was OK,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't the number two overall pick in the
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: draft that we thought he could have been last year.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: What about the rest of the talent on the defense?
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: A lot of guys came back and it's not showing
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: up right now. So it's too early in the season
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: to count anybody out. I played for a team that
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: took a very ugly loss early in the year to
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: a team we had no business losing to. And we
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: ended up winning it all. But this Oregon thing doesn't
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: feel quite right right now. So they need to get
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: back to work.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: All right, Josh, we're going to get you out of
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: here in a minute. You probably had to go get
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: a lift in or something like that. You tough guys.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: This is a thing called such thing as a dumb question.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: You played for the Chargers and the pros. I did
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: some research. You played a game with the powder blue
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: throwback Chargers jerseys, which.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: Are the ultimate.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: Do football players play better when they think they look
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: good in a uniform and vice versa? If you get
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: a bad uniform on a wonky team, do you feel
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: not so great as a player?
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, we got to talk about this. Prime talks
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: about it, right? You look good. You play good. You
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: play good. You get paid good. So there's something to it.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Everybody wants to have the cool uniforms. We liked wearing
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: the alternates in college. Certainly loved the powder blues when
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I was playing for the Chargers. And then guys will
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: tell you there's a thing called field swag. You know,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: when guys have the sleeves on, they've got the towel
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: hanging out. You know, the two mouth guards, which I
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: think is really insane, but the guys like doing it.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: They feel like they play better.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Now, for me personally, I was a guy who wore
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: a neck roll in college, and I had the Mueller.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Black sleeves on, and I used to tape my fingers.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: So there wasn't a lot to the field swag, but
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys need to get in that right
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: mentality to be able to play well.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Joshua, why are you encouraging him? All he does is
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: talk about uniforms all day long. Now you're saying it
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: actually affects your play?
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Bring back the neck roll, Joshua.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, the neck roll, I feel like we've lost a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: little bit in football. And, you know, we can see it.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: The tackling's not as good. And it's because linebackers stopped
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: wearing neck rolls. We absolutely should bring them back.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: And the other thing we've got to get rid of,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: we need pants that go down to the knee. We
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: need knee pads. We need hip pads. We need neck rolls.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: We're going to need the bar face mask. Let's get
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: it going, Josh.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: The biker shorts. It's what the guys like wearing right now.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: They want to wear the short shorts, which is fine
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: with me. We definitely need the face mask that has
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: the little ring in the front.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, bullnose.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: That's how you knew a guy had no regard for
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: his own body, if he wore one of those.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Joshua, thanks so much. We'll see you this weekend on NBC.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys. Thank you.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh. I can't believe a former NFL player
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: is actually... telling you, Paul, that uniforms matter.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he doesn't know I played in the band and
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: was an archer.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: He probably thinks I played a little football. But you
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: know what? Uniforms matter.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: There's a great point you brought up about different units
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: in college football. You go back to like Georgia football
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: with that running back unit, Sonny Michelle, Nick Chubb. And,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: you know, Sonny Michelle has to come off the bench.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: I go back to that early 2000s University of Miami team.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: Frank Gore, Jared Payton, Najee Davenport, Willis McGahee. I mean,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: half those guys were coming off the bench.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. The whole defense. You had Ed Reed
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: and Sean Taylor in the same defensive backfield.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Philma, Phillip Buchanan, Entrel Roll. I mean, it just goes
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: on and on and on.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: I know. We better stop. We need to get to
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: a break. All right, coming up next, Dan weighs in
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: on the Lions. Is it possible that Dan Campbell's in trouble?
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: That's next. Not so fast.
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: Ben Johnson, yes, great play caller, but I think we
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: may have overrated a little bit his departure considering the
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: numbers they put up last year. Third down, that's the
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: money down, and that's a big, big difference. And we're
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: seeing that with Caleb Williams, at least so far, putting
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: up the 59 points. And there's no reason to think
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: that they won't be one of the highest scoring teams.
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: The issue is going to be, and this happens with
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: a lot of teams, including Buffalo, can you be middle
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: of the pack?
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Back on Not So Fast, Pabst and Perloff, this is
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: the Clip Joint. That was Dan Patrick earlier today on
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: the Dan Patrick, talking about the Detroit Lions and how
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: they've progressed since they were this close to the Super
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Bowl in the NFC title game. And they lost a
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: couple years ago the offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson. They lost
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Aaron Glenn, the defensive coordinator. I don't think that's a problem.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: I don't think Dan thinks that's a problem. I think
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: he's saying, If this defense could ever stay healthy for
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: an entire season and a playoff run, they should be
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: just fine with that offense.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: I totally agree. The defense is obviously the problem last night.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: But let me ask you this. Ben Johnson leads for Chicago.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: All of a sudden, the Bears have probably the best
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: running game in the league. I don't think the Lions
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: are the same running team. Last night, they only ran for,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: I think, 66 yards versus Buffalo. They were trailing. But
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: can they run the way they used to? And the
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: reason I ask about that is can they protect their
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: defense by... getting first downs on the ground. I'm not
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: so sure.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: And two years ago when they were really hitting it,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: they had David Montgomery, the thunder and lightning.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Yes, that worries me a lot.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Now they can't afford to spend any money in their
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: backfield because Jameer Gibbs got all the money for the backfield.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: So they have a bunch of, you know, nobodies in
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: their backfield and he has no help.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: That's a huge problem. I worry he's going to kind
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: of wear down through the season. And he was their
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: best receiver last night for a chunk, too. He caught
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: that touchdown. I love Jameer Gibbs, but I want to
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: protect him.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Let's say, for instance, the Lions have a subpar season
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: and don't make the playoffs. Is Dan Campbell ever on
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: a hot seat? He feels perpetually on a cold seat
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: because they love him.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Well, he has an excuse with all the injuries. So
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: are they going to be 7-10 with half the roster
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: on the IR? Or are they going to just disappoint?
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: What situation are we talking about?
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: Well, I guess what I'm saying is the national media
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: thinks he's awesome. He gives all those press conference quotes.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know sometimes if the local fans are in
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: sync with the national media.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: But think of this franchise. They have not had a
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: great coaching history. I go back to Wayne Fonts. They
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: have never liked their coach. Dan Campbell is a step
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: up from everyone they had before him. So I kind
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: of agree. I think he's safe, even if they have
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: a losing record. But if they're healthy, they're not going
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: to have a losing record.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, Lions head coach Dan Campbell, not the best night
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: last night because he faced Josh Allen. And, you know,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: here he is after the game talking about facing Superman.
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: That quarterback makes things very difficult, you know. If you
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: don't keep him in the pocket, keep him contained, man,
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: he can hurt you. And he did that on multiple times,
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: you know, on multiple occasions. We've got to clean up
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: a lot of things on defense right now, particularly in
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: the back end.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: And.
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: And then offensively, you play an opponent as potent as this,
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: we don't have the luxury of spitting and sputtering early.
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: That's the thing. You don't have that luxury. And we
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: knew that coming into this game.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: You know what? They look confused on defense. There were
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: so many open guys. The Palmer touchdown, there wasn't anyone
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: within 20 yards of him. I think that's partly Josh Allen.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I think it's also partly injuries. Inexperience. Inexperience, right. Their
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: two safeties are out. I think Dan Campbell's in a
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: tough spot defensively. But I get back to the other
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: topic from earlier. Josh Allen is totally unstoppable right now.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: So if the Houston Texans cannot stop Josh Allen, I
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: don't think the Detroit Lions had a prayer.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, look at these rollouts. There's no one even close.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: You said it earlier.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Aiden Hutchinson seems like a one-man team, like one of
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: those high schools where there's one star and a bunch
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: of little guys. He was huffing and puffing out there,
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: but they don't have the luxury of giving Aiden Hutchinson
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: any rest.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: And I think Josh Allen's the only quarterback where defenders actually—
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: make a choice. Do I really want to hit this guy?
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: He's like Ben Roethlisberger with running ability.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: And then you get James Cook. Forget it. It's an
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: impossible situation. I don't know what Dan Campbell could have
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: said in that situation, but they obviously had no answers.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: And I kind of blame Calvin Shepard, the defensive coordinator.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: I will counter that by saying nobody could stop him.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: I do look at Chris Jones and the guys on
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: the Chiefs and say, they've got to experience enough defense
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: with enough playmakers to to chase him around and get
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: him out of the pocket how they want. So I
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: think that's a defense that can not control him, but
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: semi-control him.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: He has torched that defense in the playoffs. Remember the
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: 13-second game? Josh Allen did whatever he wanted.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: Look at number 98 for the Lions, by the way.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: He looked like me running around out there. He looked
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: like he was dizzy.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: I'm getting a little theme here that you're trying to
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: sell the Chiefs as still the team to beat in
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: the AFC. We'll get into it.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: We love recency bias.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: We love it. New Highmark Stadium was awesome last night,
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: and Joe Brady, the Bills coach, tried a new field
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: goal strategy, and he explained why.
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: Anytime you can have a black screen, you know, it
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: makes it a little easier. Whatever you have to do,
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: you have to do the same for the opponent, right?
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: And you put something on the screen, you see the
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: yellow post, it can be a potential of a distraction. And,
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: you know, so... whatever we need to be able to
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: help our kicking game, that's what they're going to kind
• 35:38
  Speaker 8: of do. We have to do the same for them
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: as well.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: So this seems like a new or maybe new-ish directive
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: from the NFL. Whatever's on one jumbotron behind the goalpost
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: has to be on the other. I would like it
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: to be the other way. Imagine that the home team
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: got to put whatever they want on the jumbotron, like
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Chris Farley doing the Chippendales dance or something like that.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: To try to distract your opponent. And then nice, clean,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: black screen so your kicker can focus.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: I think teams do do that. I think they do
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: try to use... Yeah, wait, is there a new rule?
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: I think he was making a choice.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: He just said, Joe Brady, that we have to do
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: whatever for the other team. It goes back to that
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: story from the summer that you talked about. Did Belichick
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: and the Patriots, of course Belichick and the Patriots, have
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: like pink things on the side who just lightly distract
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: the kickers.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I like the NBA when they're all
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: doing this thing in the crowd. New Highmark, by the way,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: it feels like the perfect football stadium. I was a
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: little critical of them not putting a dome, but they
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: nailed it last night.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: It's a fun place. You got the old building in
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: the distance. You had the sun going down and all
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: the celebrities there.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: It was really cool. All right, next up.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, here we go. C.D.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: Lamb, he knows what it's like being a Cowboy, a
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: focal point. And he talked about how whatever happens in
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: game one or two, the media will overreact with the Cowboys.
• 36:46
  Speaker 9: I knew that my year two. Everything is an overreaction
• 36:52
  Speaker 9: when it comes to a star. Everything that we do
• 36:56
  Speaker 9: is going to be, again, we look at it on
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: a magnifying glass.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: It's just.
• 37:04
  Speaker 9: Just make sure that you're putting the best stuff out
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: because the camera's always on you, no matter what.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know what he's talking about. I just fired
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Brian Schottenheimer if they're open to it.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: Of course he's right. Of course we overreact to the Cowboys.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: It would be fun one year to overreact to them winning.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: It would be so refreshing. I'm not a Cowboys fan,
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: but I'm not a Cowboys hater in either way. But
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: I'm getting to the point where you hear the same
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: story year after year. We're going back to the 90s
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: since they've been a real contender for a Super Bowl. 90s, that's...
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: It's like before social media.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Well, remember with Mike McCarthy, they were in 12-5 three
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: years in a row. The problem was the playoffs.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: The problem is the playoffs, and they never advance deep
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: in the playoffs or make you think that they're going
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: to advance deep in the playoffs. I almost want the
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Cowboys to win. It's like Susan Lucci finally winning the whatever,
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: the Tony. I just want to see a new story
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: with the Cowboys. I want to see them roll through
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: some people. just to see that overreaction rather than everything's
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: going poorly overreacted.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm not sure that's what I want to
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: hear from CeeDee Lamb. He seems a little too laid
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: back at times, maybe not aggressive enough. I want to
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: hear him say, we're not going to accept 0-2. We're
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: not going to accept last week's loss. Instead, he's like, wow,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: you guys are overreacting. You know what? If they had won,
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: he could say that.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: But, Pearl, you know one of my favorite things in yours?
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: When you're lethargic and you're losing, you don't care.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: But if you're lethargic, then you're cool like Joe Montana.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Joe Montana.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: But everyone thought Joe Montana's cool and calculated. But then
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: you have a guy like Jay Cutler who looked like
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: he wanted to be elsewhere.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: He doesn't care. He'd be cool if they were winning.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the problem with CeeDee Lamb. Remember that playoff
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: loss where he dropped a pass and he looked ejected?
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: He's got to lift it up a little bit.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: Got to pump it up.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: It's NFL football, Paul.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: It is NFL football. Not so fast.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Paps and Perloff, every week we get you ready for
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: the college football weekend with a little getting the Heisman.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Here we go, Perl.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Look at that guy. Losing a little on the top,
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: the Heisman Trophy this year.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: But here we go. This is a big Heisman weekend.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: And for your guy, who you love, Trinidad Chambliss, he
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: was one of your picks for the Heisman. The Ole
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Miss quarterback, this is the kind of game where you
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: get to make a statement.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: National TV versus LSU.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: There he is.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: He's now sixth. This is the perfect opportunity. The entire
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: world's going to watch this. People who don't like college
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: football are going to tune into LSU Ole Miss.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: This is his night.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Now, a long way to go, but this is how
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: you secure the invitation to New York night.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely. I mean, he's breaking Heisman by peaking in
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: September if he wins. You've got to peak later on.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Fair point.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: But he's obviously outstanding. And not only that, he is
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: playing to be an NFL possible first-round pick despite his size.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: A lot on the line here. And LSU's defense looks
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: salty against him.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: He's also very root-for-able because he's the spurned quarterback of
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Lane Kiffin.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: And Sam Levitt on the other side, too. I don't
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: think he's played great so far, but he could get
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: in the Heisman. I got a game for you for
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: the Heisman, though, Paul. SMU at Louisville. We haven't talked
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: much about SMU. They didn't look good week one against
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Florida State. But they have a quarterback, Kevin Jennings, who
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: has great numbers. Really, really good college quarterback. If SMU
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: goes on a run, he's a possible Heisman. And you
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: know I love Lincoln Kienholz.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's your guy.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: That's my guy. Everyone's catching up to him. I heard
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Mel Kiper gushing about him the other day. Big guy,
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: strong arm, can run. So I think the SMU-Louisville game, 330,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: ESPN 2 doesn't even get major ESPN. Wow. But some
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Heisman consideration for it.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: You know the Heismanments as well as anybody, as do I.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: If you're an LSU, you can get your guy in
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: the Heisman. If you're Alabama, no problem. If you're Louisville
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: or SMU, you need to run the table. Then your
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: guy gets invited to do it.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Tyler Shuck was great, and he didn't get even
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: a sniff. There are a lot of great Louisville quarterbacks.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Teddy Bridgewater didn't get the invite. SMU hasn't been good
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: for a long time. We don't really know about SMU
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: because they disappeared for a long time, but Kevin Jennings
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: doesn't get a lot of buzz.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson did bring home the hardware. All right, coming
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: up next, conservative criticism.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, and.
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  Speaker 5: Keep it friendly.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: And I want a couple bets, Perloff. Keep it friendly
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: bets and the feel good.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Stick around.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: This is Not So Fast.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: Paul Papps, Andrew Perloff here for Not So Fast on
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: NBC Sports Now and Peacock. Now let's get to the
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: pub and grub of the week, Perloff. And I can
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: tell you're hungry by that look in your face.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: We're going to go down the big game, LSU and
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: Ole Miss. Oxford, Mississippi.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: I've been there a long time ago. Great food town.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: I used to go to a place called the Hoka.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: No longer there, unfortunately. We're going to the Blind Pig Pub.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Your thoughts early.
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  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, is it on the square?
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: It's just off the square.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Great question.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: I like where your head's at, Pearl. So it's walking
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: us to a lot of other good choices. The Blind
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Pig Pub. Lots of drinks, lots of food. I hear
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: there's a pool table. Good amount of TVs. Very friendly.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: Not divy, but a divy adjacent.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm feeling like this is a good food place.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: It is a good food place.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Pork products, obviously.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: Lots of pork products.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Now, their hammer sandwich, they call it the Crosby Killer. Turkey, ham,
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: ribeye steak, bacon, Swiss, cheddar, tomato, peppers, chips, lettuce, honey, mustard,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: all on one hoagie for the low, low price of
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: I don't care what it costs.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Wait, is this some sort of magical hoagie? How do
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: you fit all that into one hoagie? Let me see that.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: There's like Eight things. There's like 12 things on one hoagie.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: What a great place. Blind Pig Pub, Oxford, Mississippi. Send
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: yours for Pub and Grub of the Week. But make
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: sure you go watch games, eat food, and drink something.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Welcome back. Not so fast. Furlough Paps. NBC Sports Now. Peacock,
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: you know, we talk football and we talk food, Paul.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we did the Lord's work there. That's going to
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: get us the Emmy. Previewing Oxford, Mississippi food choices.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: Blind Pig.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Check it out. By the way, lots of choices. I've
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: never been to Oxford, I have to admit. We've got
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: to call Lane and get you down there. The Grove? Oh,
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: that would be awesome. All right, let's look ahead. Monday's
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: headline today, Paul. What are we going to be talking
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: about Monday morning?
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: I hate to say, but I'm going to lead with
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: the negative.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: If the Chargers go 0-2 and the Chargers lose to
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: the Raiders, it's disaster time because of the schedule after that.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: If the Chargers go 0-2, the shine will be off
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: Jim Harbaugh, their offensive coordinator, their quarterback.
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: Everyone will bail, like you said earlier in the show.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: If this happens.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: It sets up a season where not only don't make
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: the playoffs, you could be, look at the upcoming schedule.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: It's absolutely brutal. And the easy game, the easy game
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: is the Jets, and they're getting better.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of debate
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: about Justin Herbert. Is he really the elite quarterback we
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: think he is? He sure didn't look it in week one.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: These are some really, really challenging defenses. At Seattle, it's
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: going to make any quarterback look bad, so they've got
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: to figure it out quickly. Okay, I'm going to stay
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: in the AFC West for my headline. Kansas City Chiefs
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: play on Sunday night against the Colts. The Colts did
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: not look good against Baltimore. I think Kansas City has
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: a new model, Paul, and I'm so excited about this.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Andy Reid is going to keep running the football. Ken Walker,
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker IV, is going to have another big game.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: I think we're going to come out of Sunday night thinking, oh,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Casey's back in the Super Bowl mix. They're a very
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: different team. I don't think they're going to use a
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: lot of Mahomes. I think they're going to play conservative
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: football and win with defense and running, which is very unusual.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: This is fantastic for Ken Walker. Let him carry the ball.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Let Mahomes throw it 20 times and get home safely.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: I'm totally with you.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Mahomes has never had a running back
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: or really any kind of skill player like that who
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: can chew the clock up. I'm really excited about KC
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: because Andy Reid, you know, he always passes the ball.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter who his running back is. Now he's
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: being forced to try a different style and it's working.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: All right, Perloff, let's do a little keep it friendly here.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: A couple side bets, a little keep it friendly, a
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: little college, a little pro. Actual money trading hands. We
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: usually do 20 a game unless you want to call
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: it differently. Let's start with the hammer. LSU, Ole Miss,
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: LSU giving three. I'm going to let you pick on
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: this one.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: I'll take the other side.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: All the emotion, of course, points to Ole Miss, and
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: that's why I like LSU big time. I think they're
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: a more talented roster. They won the transfer portal. Ole
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Miss is a great story. That doesn't win football games, Paul.
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: It doesn't.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: I think LSU, just like they did against Clemson, is
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: really hungry. I think they're using all this negative attention
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: as bulletin board material, and they come out strong. I
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: like Ole Miss. I like the food at Ole Miss,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: and I'm going to take them outright. I don't need
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: the points. Bengals at Texans. Texans given two and a half.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: What a fantastic game this is. Okay, Joe Burrow, tell
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: me about his back. This does not sound good, Paul.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: When I heard that his back hurt, my back started
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: to hurt. I'm not even a Bengals fan.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: And what's the one team you don't want to play
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: when your back hurts? It's the Houston Texans who are
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: going to be extra salty after losing the Bills, a
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: game they should have won. I think Houston's defense is
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: the story of this game. I'm taking the Texans to cover.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: I will begrudgingly back into the, no pun intended, the Bengals.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: Jaguars at Broncos. Broncos giving two and a half. Nobody
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: talking about the Jags.
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: I'll go first. I'm going to take the Jags, and
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: I'll give you six points.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Ooh, I'm not taking that bet, Paul.
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: Really?
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Well, if you give me six, maybe. I don't think
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: the Broncos have figured out their play-calling situation. Davis Webb
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: stepped in in week one. They could barely get the
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: play in on time. I do not see a massive
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: improvement there. I'm with you. The Jags will finally get
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: some attention.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: All right, last one. Steelers, Pats. Pats giving five and
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: a half. I'm going to let you pick.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, Pats have had 10 days off. I think the
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Pats are angry after how they lost the opener.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Big line. Yeah, five and a half is a lot,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: but Aaron Rodgers did not look good against Atlanta. He
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: looked fine. I really like New England to bounce back.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: That's one of my big bounce back teams because they're
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: going to be there. I think what we saw in
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: week one was an anomaly. Drake May plays much better,
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: and they get a big win.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'll take the Steelers to cover but not win.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: All right, moving on to constructive criticism here on Not
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: So Fast.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: You tell us what you think. We tell you what
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: we think. Here we go. Constructive criticism.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: First one.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: We'll run through these. Feels like a homecoming game start.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: Sticking with your pick from Dustin in South Dakota. Well snarked, Dustin.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: He's asking if I'm sticking with my Lions pick to
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: be in and win the Super Bowl.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sticking. I'm not bailing.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: You don't bail after week one or week two.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Week four, maybe.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: Next one.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Got a lot of injuries, Paul. It's not your fault.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: There are a lot of injuries.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: Oh, this is great.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: I saw this came out. Old Spice has a new display,
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: the Legends Edition, the Classic Edition. Walter Payton soap, body spray.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: I'm going to buy all of it. It's called the
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Stiff Arm Collection. I couldn't believe it. I'm leaving the show,
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: driving to whatever store, and buying as much of the
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: display I can.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Okay, I love it, and I know you love Walter Payton,
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: but why isn't Caleb Williams doing this promo? Why are
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: they still doing Walter Payton promos?
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: Be very careful here. It sounds like you're saying something
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: negative about Walter Payton. My mind's going to just.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: But that's fantastic. That's pretty cool. All right, last one.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Constructor criticism. Are we done with that? I'm curious how
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: you all feel about this debate. Nothing will equal... Even
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: all games are played in a dome. DP's opinion that
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: bad weather is bad for a playoff game really bums
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: me out. This guy, Don, says... Outdoor football is his thing.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Look.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: That's your thing, too, sometimes.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're fighting the good fight here, but the domes
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: are coming or the glass tops or whatever you want
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: to call them.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Well, for me, this gets down to Josh Allen. I
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: want to see Josh Allen now at some point in
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: his career win. I think weather is one of the
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: things that could keep him from doing that. So I'm down.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: I want to see in January good football. I kind
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: of understand the dome argument.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: Okay, it's time for the feel-good as we wrap up
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: a great week on Not So Fast. Thanks to all
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: the team here getting a good week.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: Here we go, the feel-good.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: Pearl, I'm taking you down to Florence, Alabama, University of
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: Northern Alabama, my Lions. They unveiled their new on-campus stadium,
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: Saturday versus Alcorn State. The fans will be out. I
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: call them the Purple Rain, the fans.
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: I don't know if they do.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: The tailgate area is called the Pines. This place looks great.
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: And here at Not So Fast, we celebrate programs that
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: are growing and building.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: UNA, we love it. If you're in Florence, Alabama, hit
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: up 4th Street Barbecue. That's what I'm told.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, man, Alabama Barbecue. Good reputation, Paul.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. No doubt.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: White barbecue sauce. Always check that out at Alabama. But
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: that's cool to see a team up and coming, brand
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: new building. Not Highmark, but it's very, very cool.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: I'm going to see that score on Saturday. Oh, the
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Purple Rain. That's the one Paul gave a name to.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: That's Not So Fast for the week.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: I'm Pabst. He's Perloff.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: Tune in Monday for the recap of the entire NFL
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: season on the Dan Patrick Show. And right afterwards, Not
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: So Fast from noon Eastern daytime.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: That's it.