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Sodomy, Stings and Subterfuge: Uncovering the Truth Behind Adam's Story · Murders to Music: Crime Scene to Music Scene (Streamline Events and Entertainment)

• 0:23
  Speaker 1: Well, hello and welcome back to the Murders to Music podcast.
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: My name is Aaron, I'm your host and thank you for coming back for another week.
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: So this week I want to tell you a story that is a little bit entertaining, a little bit unbelievable, a little bit disgusting, but I'm not going to go too far into that, so don't turn this off.
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: And at the end there's a twist that you absolutely could never imagine.
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: This is something I only dealt with once in my career and it's something that, at the end, was a very gratifying resolution, and I think you'll see that here as we tell the story.
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: So it's 2014.
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: Patrol officers had been, for a period of a month or two, had been responding to a specific address just on the outskirts of our city limits, and it's important for me to say when I say outskirts, I don't mean that it's rural, I mean that it's in a busy part of town with lots of apartments and houses and residential, but it's right on the line between our city and the city of Portland.
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: So for weeks they had been responding to a domestic violence complaint multiple complaints made by the same person that he was getting abused and beat up at his house.
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: Each time, patrol would go out there.
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: They would listen to the story and then determine and document in their reports and in their call that there was no crime committed.
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: Yet he continued to call and make reports and allegations against his partner.
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: So this eventually the squeaky wheel gets the grease, as you all know.
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: So this eventually makes its way back to the detective unit and they need to do some more follow-up.
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: You see, patrol does a great job of getting out and getting the initial information that is known at the time.
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: Sometimes not all the information is given.
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: Sometimes there's stuff underneath the surface that really needs to be explored.
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: In a domestic violence situation, the three things you're looking for is who is the primary physical aggressor?
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: Who is the primary physical aggressor?
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: What are the likelihood of further assaults or injury if there's no action taken tonight?
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: And what is the history of domestic violence?
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: Look like what is the historical story of domestic violence and that is how you determine.
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: You look at those three things and you determine who your primary physical aggressor is and that is how you decide who gets to go to jail.
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: And it's not always obvious, for example, in a situation where you show up at the call and the husband has a broken nose and the wife has hit him across the face with a glass ashtray.
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: Now when you see that you may be thinking, okay, the wife needs to go.
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: But once you do that interview and you step in and you ask just a few questions, it's obvious to you that the wife has been getting beat up for months or years.
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: She knows that when he gets that look in his eye and comes towards her, she is about to get beaten.
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: It's been documented, she's told her friends, she's taken pictures.
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: She has tried to get out of the relationship but he won't let her go.
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: She's trapped and on today he had that look in his eye.
• 3:59
  Speaker 1: He came at her in the middle of an argument.
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: She knew what was about to occur and she grabbed the first thing she could, which was an of an argument.
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: She knew what was about to occur and she grabbed the first thing she could, which was an ashtray.
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: She smacked him across the face with it.
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: It ended the fight and ultimately she broke his nose.
• 4:13
  Speaker 1: So who goes to jail there?
• 4:15
  Speaker 1: You know you have to look at those three key indicators and determine what is.
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: Who's the primary physical aggressor today.
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: What is the likelihood that, if no action is taken today that there may be future injuries or assaults, and what does the history of domestic violence look like?
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: And in this case, I would say that she may be justified in smacking him with the glass ashtray because of the prior assaults and the historical information.
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: I tell you all of this because we have to take domestic violence seriously and we have to look at this ongoing complaint back to 2014.
• 4:54
  Speaker 1: We have to go to this ongoing complaint and make sure that we're not missing something that's under the surface.
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: So I reach out to the victim in this case that keeps making the reports and I'm like hey, his name's, we're going to call him Adam.
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: So I reach out to Adam and I say, hey, my name is Aaron, I'm a detective and I want to look into your story a little bit.
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: Can you come down and meet with me?
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: He says sure.
• 5:19
  Speaker 1: So he comes down to the police department and when I step out into the lobby to meet him, this is what I want you to picture.
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: He's about 5'11", 250 to 260 pounds.
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: He's stocky, he's 34 years old.
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: He isn't real fat, he's just a thick guy.
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: He's wearing a gray Army windbreaker that's got the black.
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: It's a gray and it's got the black V down the front and the back.
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: You see him running in it if you've ever been around a military base.
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: Underneath that he's wearing a white T-shirt.
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: Under the white T-shirt I can see a bunch of chest hair coming out.
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: Over the top of the shirt he's wearing blue jeans.
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: I notice that they're tight.
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: They look like they might be a size too small.
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: He probably had to squeeze into them that day, but he's wearing these tight blue jeans and I bring him back into the interview room.
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: In the interview room I start to talk to him and I ask him I'm like, hey, man, I said you know I've been reading your reports and it looks like you've made several of them.
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: The police have come out a bunch, but no arrests.
• 6:22
  Speaker 1: Several of them, the police have come out a bunch, but no arrest had been made.
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: I just want to see if there's something more than meets the eye here.
• 6:27
  Speaker 1: Can you tell me the story?
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: Tell me the story, bro.
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: So he starts into it and he says you know, aaron?
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: He says I'm a homosexual male and I meet guys online.
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: I meet them on different apps and I invite them to my house and sometimes end up living with me and you know, they're my partner and they're my roommate, kind of.
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: He said and in this case the guy living with me now, that's how I met him.
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: He's younger than me, aaron.
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: He's 18 right now.
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: But he explained, adam told me that he says, you know, I personally like guys that are a little bit younger 17 to 19.
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: That's kind of the age range that I'm liking, 19.
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: That's kind of the age range that I'm liking.
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: He says, and that's where I like to spend my time with those aged guys.
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: He said so I bring this guy in.
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: He says, and then Aaron, he says you know, things just get out of hand.
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: He said he is sodomizing me and I keep telling the police and nothing's getting done.
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: And immediately I mean my eyes perk up, my ears perk up because a sodomy is a crime.
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: So I'm like Adam, tell me more, what's going on?
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: Man, he's like well, there, and he says you know, I was bent over the couch one day and I'm like watching TV.
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: But I'm bent over the back of the couch.
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: You know, I got like my forearms on the top of the cushion.
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: He says, and you know, my butt is kind of to the room.
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: He says.
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden he comes up behind me with a golf club and he sticks it right in my butt.
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: And I'm like he sticks it in your butt.
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: I'm like how did that work?
• 7:54
  Speaker 1: He's like, well, he stuck it in my butt.
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: He says and it you know?
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: Um, he says that it pushed fabric up inside my butthole.
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: And I'm like fabric, are you wearing underwear?
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: What are you wearing?
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: He's like, well, no, I'm wearing jeans.
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, what kind of jeans?
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: He's like well, these jeans that I'm wearing today, these, these jeans.
• 8:13
  Speaker 1: And I noticed when he came in, those jeans look like they're too small.
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: So the ounce of common sense that I have makes me question this a little bit, because I can't see or understand how the golf club can push the fabric inside of his butt.
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, let's just start there's a distance between the outside of the butt cheek and the inside of the butt crack, and I know this because I'm a human being and it's just not making sense.
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: So I'm like Adam, tell me more, explain to me what's going on.
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: He's like, well, he says he did it and he stuck it up there and it hurt and it pushed, you know, like an inch or two up inside.
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like all right.
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: I said so.
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: Has there been any other times?
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: He's like, well, yeah, he said one time I was laying on the bed face down, my legs, kind of in a figure four position, and he came in in the golf club he shoved it right up the leg of my boxer shorts and it went right inside.
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: He says and this time it was just the handle went inside.
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: And he says it hurt.
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: And I'm like how far did it go?
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: And oh, probably an inch or two.
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: And I'm like all right.
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: I said, and this was the handle end that went in, or the club end, what end?
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: He's like, no, he says it's just a normal golf club.
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: He said the handle end went in.
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like all right, cool.
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: Any other times he's like, yeah, there was a time that I was rolled over on my back and I'm trying to touch my knees to my shoulders and so I'm kind of like on my back facing up, my legs are up in the air.
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: He said.
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: And he came in and bloop right inside and it went inside.
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: Push fabric up inside.
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, were you wearing your jeans again?
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wearing my jeans again.
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, any other times?
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think so I think that's it Like, all right, cool.
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: So as we talk, we continue getting, I continue to get the history from him and I'm like Adam, I said I'm just not understanding how this occurred.
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: Can you show me?
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: Like, demonstrate for me?
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: And he's like, well, yeah, no problem.
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: So he stood up and he bent over the table in the interview room and he stuck his butt up in the air.
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: He's like, well, this is how I was standing the first time.
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, I said so.
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: Then what happened?
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: He said, well, he came in and went right inside.
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I got it.
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: So, and I'm doing all of this because I know the room's being recorded and I want this stuff on video because his story is not making any sense.
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: You know, when you talk to people, enough, you can tell when they're MSU, they're making shit up as they go.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: Or you can talk to somebody and know, okay, this guy really knows what they're talking about.
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: You ever worked with a coworker and you're like you don't understand something.
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: Maybe they do.
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: And you're like, hey, why is this done this way?
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: And then they give you some long explanation and you're like none of that makes sense, but whatever.
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: So you know they just want to talk because they've been doing it long enough and they think they should know.
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: But they really don't know.
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: And your judgment and skills and you know training experience says this guy doesn't know what hell he's talking about.
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: But I'll just let him talk.
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: That's how this interview is going.
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: You can tell that each time I ask a question there's just more MSU.
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: So I'm like all right, I said well, show me the time when you were in a figure four.
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: So he lays down on the floor and he puts his left knee up, his right leg is straight, so he looks like a the floor and he puts his left knee up, his right leg is straight, so he looks like a number four and he kind of puts his butt up in the air a little bit.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: He's like I was laying, just like this, and he came in and he right up the pant leg Bloop and I'm like whoa man, that must have been terrible.
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: He's like it was.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like all right, he said well, and he just he was already on the floor, so he rolled over and he rolled onto his back and he put his knees to his shoulders.
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: He's like I was like this.
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: But I was wearing jeans and there it was.
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: You know, he just right in and it pushed fabric in.
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: Well, as he's demonstrating this wearing the same jeans, I see that there's no way these tight fabrics stretched across his bulbous butt is going to allow the fabric to push inside.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: Nothing makes sense about that.
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: So, you know, I'm like all right.
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: So I'm listening to a story.
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: I'm questioning a little bit of the facts here, but I'm not ready to confront him because he's given me some other people to talk to.
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: He's given me the name of his partner, boyfriend, who he's calling the suspect.
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: He's given me some friends and have been around and watched and seen some of this stuff happen.
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: So I'm like you know what, adam, thank you so much for your time.
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: I really look forward to talking to you again and I'm going to interview some of these other people and I'll get back to you.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: So I let Adam go.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: When I came out of the interview room, unbeknownst to me, there was an audience of people standing around watching this and they're wondering why he's been over the table, why he's on the floor, why he's in a figure four, why he's making these motions with his right hand, that it's bloop and he keeps doing this and they just don't understand what the interview is about, but they finding it entertaining.
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: So Adam goes away and then I have to conduct the investigation.
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: So I dig and I probe deep into this investigation and upon my probing I find that when I interview the suspect he's like yeah, I met the dude online and uh, you know, he wants me, he allowed me to live there and we have sex.
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: And you know, I'm usually the top, he's usually the bottom and I'm like okay, I don't know why that's important to me, but thanks for sharing.
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: And he says uh, you know.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: He says I don't know what he's talking about with the golf club.
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: He's like we have golf clubs.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: He says I kind of like, play, hit him with it one day.
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: He's like but I wasn't assaulting him and I surely didn't sodomize him like.
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: He's saying he said so I really don't know what he's talking about.
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: And he says you know, he's kind of mad at me because he wants me to leave, move out of his house.
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: He says but I paid some rent, I have my address there, I have my clothes and belongings there and as far as I'm concerned it's my house too and I'm like all right, I get that.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: So we have this conversation and this guy goes away.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: At the end of this and to this point in the investigation, I believe the suspect more than I do the victim.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: I believe the suspect more than I do the victim.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: Adam has less credibility with me than the other guy.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: So I'm thinking about this.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: Adam is 250, 260, 34 years old.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: The victim is barely 18, 110 pounds, soaking, wet, asian, filipino descent and super, super skinny.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Adam outweighs him twice and it's weird to me that Adam couldn't defend himself against some potentially unlawful or sexual act that the 18-year-old is trying to perpetrate a pontium.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: That didn't make sense to me.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: In my experience, training and experience, it's victims will put up a fight sometimes, especially if they're over twice the size and males.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: So I call Adam and I'm like Adam.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: I said hey, I'm ready to talk again.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Can you please bring the golf club with you so I can see it and we can seize that as evidence.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: He's like yeah, no problem.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: So Adam comes down to the police department.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: He walks in, he's wearing the same jeans and he's got this golf club and it's your standard steel shaft golf club long shaft, short rubber handle.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: On the end.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: The rubber handle is tacky and sticky.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: It's kind of that kind that looks like it's wound, you know, like there's a one inch band that's just wound over and over and over again all the way out to the tip.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: It gets larger in diameter, you know, as it goes from the middle portion of the shaft and as it extends out towards the end of the handle it gets larger diameter so it fits your hand better.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: But it's very tacky and sticky.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: So he shows this to me.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: He's like this is the golf club.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: I go all right, thanks.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Can I keep it as evidence?
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: So I set it aside and I'm talking to Adam and I said well, adam.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: I said you know, uh, can you go back through the series of events for me?
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: So Adam goes back through it.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: I have him demonstrate again.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: The story hasn't changed much.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: But at the end of that I'm like well, adam.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: I said I got some issues with your story, man.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: I said and I'm hoping you can help me he's like well, what is that?
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I said here's the deal.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: I he's like well, what is that?
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I said here's the deal.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I said let me just lay it out for you.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I said, first of all.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: On the first occasion you said you're wearing jeans.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: I said those jeans that you're wearing are super tight.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: They actually look too small, I said.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: And the fact that you're saying that you're bent over the couch, which would stretch the material tight, and he shoves this and it penetrates into your butt hole, like inside of you an inch or two, and pushes fabric inside, I said I just don't see how that's physically possible.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: He's like well, it happened, it happened.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: I mean it just happened.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I'm like all right, cool, I said.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: And then, adam, I said I noticed you're a hairy dude, right?
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: He's like oh yeah, lots of body hair.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: I said your chest is hairy.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I can see that your back is hairy.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: In fact your back hair comes up and kind of connects with your neck and your head hair.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I'm fairly hairy.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Your arms are hairy, yeah, I said is your whole body hairy?
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: He's like oh yeah, whole body's hairy.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: All right, I said Adam.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I said do you ever shave like manscape?
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: And he's like well, what do you mean?
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I found it hard to believe.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: He didn't know what I meant, but I explained.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I said, adam, do you ever shave like your butt in?
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: You know, like the valley the crack.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: And he's like, well, I did once.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: He says, but my boyfriend thought it was weird.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: In my mind I'm like that's what your boyfriend thought was weird, but whatever, I'm not judging.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: So he says no, I don't, I don't shave that.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I said well, adam.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I said you know it's tough for me to believe.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Now we're going to talk about that time when you were on your back and the figure on your belly figure four right up the pat leg.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I said it's hard for me to believe that he takes this golf club and randomly, without aiming it, shoves it up the leg of your shorts and it happens to find its way right to your butt and then inserts inside of you.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I said this is pretty gross to think about.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I said but the other thing that gets me is this handle is rubber and sticky for a reason.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I said and if you are hairy?
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I said, adam, rate yourself, rate your body.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Let's say your chest is a 10 on a scale of one to 10 for hairiness.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: What would you rate your butt?
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: He's like, well, it's an eight or a 10.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, got it.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I said so the fact that it goes up the legs of the shorts hits all the hair.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: It goes up the legs of the shorts, hits all the hair.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Just the coefficient of friction alone would be pulling that hair and making you go the other way, I said, because it's going to hurt, you know, when you start pulling that hair, I said.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: And then, adam, I said anal sex between two consenting adults at times is challenging at best, I said.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: And to think that every single time he randomly just shoves this thing up there and it finds its mark, I said he'd have to have the precision aim of a military sniper to get it in there every single time.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like and this guy doesn't have any military experience, does he?
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Well, no, I'm like, all right, I didn't think so.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I said so.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: These are the things that caused me some concern, I said and we get to the next one and your pants are on.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I said it's the same concern, adam, I said so why don't we talk about what really happened?
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: You know, is this a situation where he hit you with it?
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: You know, he told me that he hit you with it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Is that what you're talking about or what's going on?
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Help me understand this dilemma that I'm having, adam, and ultimately he's like you know what he says okay, none of this stuff really happened.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, he hit me with it, we were playing, but he never stuck it inside and I made it all up because I want him out.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: He says I let him move in and he won't move out.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: And he says it's his house and I figure, if I get him arrested, then that'll be enough reason to get him out of the house and I don't have to worry about him anymore.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like totally get it, dude, I totally understand.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like well, you know, adam, I says the issue that I have is that it's illegal for you to make this up and you're under arrest.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: So I arrested him for filing a false police report and I don't think it's fair that he is allowed to discredit domestic violence victims and use that to his advantage to play the system.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: So after a thorough investigation and a full confession, adam got to go off to jail for filing a false report.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Confession Adam got to go off to jail for filing a false report.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: That is where I thought my interactions with Adam would be done.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I submit the paperwork to the court.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: It's a false report.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Claim Life is good.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I have the videos, I have the interviews, I have the evidence, I have the confession.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I'm moving on with life.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: So during the investigative process, I reached out to Adam on Facebook and I used a fake account that I use for my criminal investigations.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: The name is Darren Wall and that was my undercover name when I worked undercover in Alaska, and that was my undercover name when I worked undercover in Alaska.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: The picture is that of a 13-year-old boy blonde hair, nondescript, and that's what I use.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: When I went to look at Adam's profile on Facebook, it was locked so I needed to send a friend request.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: So during the investigation process between the first and the second interview, I sent him the request.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: He accepted and now I can see who all of his friends are on Facebook.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Now the arrest has been made, adam is in jail and I am at home laying in bed getting ready to go to sleep at about 11 o'clock at night.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: This is where the twist is.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I get a ding on my phone and I've got a Facebook message.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: So I grab the phone, I look and it's Adam and he says, hey, what's going on?
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: And I'm like my gosh, he figured out that it's me.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: So I respond.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, not much laying in bed.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: He's like oh, do you want to talk?
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, sorry, I got to get up for school in the morning.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Is this Adam, my buddy from English?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: He responds no, this is not that Adam.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: He says, but we can still talk.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, and he said sorry, I'm a 13 year old boy.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I'm a 13 year old and I got to get up for school in the morning.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: And he's like well, it's okay, I won't keep you long, but let's talk.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: And you know I like to play video games.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Do you like to play video games?
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: To which I respond I love video games.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Do you like to play video games?
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: To which I respond I love video games.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: He says, well, I also teach karate.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, that's cool.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And he's like have you ever rolled around with guys and been on the floor and rolled with them?
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, nah, never done that.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: He's like, well, would you ever roll around with a guy?
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Because sometimes you get close to like their private parts?
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess, if we're just doing karate, that's okay.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, we're just doing karate, that's cool.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I do that Sometimes.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I got to rub up against people and in the next 10 minutes, this conversation, based on his commentary, takes a very deviant and dark turn.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Within 15 minutes he is telling me everything that he wants to do to me sexually, everything that he wants me to do to him sexually.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: It not much will shock my conscience when it comes to sex.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: And this shocked my conscience to the point where he was asking detailed questions about my experiences and I said I have none because I'm a 13 year old boy.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: He says well, can I come see you?
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: And I said well, I'm staying at my grandma's house and you know she doesn't let visitors come over.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: He's like well, what if you sneak out?
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Where's it at?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: And I'm like ah, it's in this town.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: And he's like well, I live in that town too and I can come get you.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: You can sneak out and I'll have you back before morning.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: And I'm like I'm scared to, what if I get caught?
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Well, you won't get caught.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like well, not today.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: So by this time we've spoken for an hour and we've exchanged several hundred messages back and forth.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: So my plan is I'm going to take those messages and have them transcribed.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: So the next day I take them into the office and I have them transcribed.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: And the lady who did the transcription had been with the police department for 20 or 25 years at that point, and she's been working on this for a couple hours.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: And I come in and she pulls her glasses down and pushes back from her computer and she's like Aaron.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: She's like this is a dirty conversation.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, I know Right.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Uh, what's important about that is this lady has transcribed hundreds or thousands of interviews and has read and written everything that you can imagine.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: That's her job, and this one stood out is how disgusting it was.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: And so she's like Aaron.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: She's like you're dirty here.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I know.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: He says you know he was bringing it there and I let him go.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: She's like man, okay, so that day he hits me up again he's like, hey, can you come out?
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Can you hang out?
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Can I pick you up?
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Can we go skateboarding?
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Can we roll around?
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Can we do karate?
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Can we play games?
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Can I get you some food?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: And I'm like I can.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I'm, you know, I'm doing schoolwork, whatever.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: So during the conversation he tells me that he's 35 years old or something like that.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: And, uh, that my plan is the next day I want to arrest him for this.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: He's already committed crimes of, uh, sexual exploitation of a minor and just a bunch of different sex crimes, luring children, et cetera.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: So the next day, uh, he wakes up first thing in the morning and hits me up first thing and he says, hey, can we hook up today?
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, we probably can.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I said, you know, I'll do around lunchtime, let's do it.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: He's like, okay.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: So all morning he talks to me and I put an arrest team together, I put a surveillance team for outside, I put an arrest team inside and we're going to meet at this McDonald's.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: So the time comes and he's texting me.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: He says I am 15 minutes out, I'm five minutes out, I'm three minutes away.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I'm driving a green Pontiac Grand Am.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I'm two minutes out, I'm pulling in the parking lot and, sure enough, the surveillance team says, hey, we got a green Pontiac Grand Am pulling into the parking lot and I'm like, all right, he's here.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I said and I text him.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I said, well, I said I'm in the bathroom, come inside and meet me.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: And he circles the parking lot and gets into the drive-thru.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: And the surveillance team is like, all right, car got into the drive-thru.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: And then he's asking me he's like well, come out of the drive-thru door.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I'm in the drive-thru and I'm like I can't.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I said I'm in the bathroom, just come in and meet me, okay.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: So he circles after getting his Coke at the drive-thru and he comes inside and he waddles his way in.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I'm in the bathroom and my other detective is sitting in the lobby and he's going to come into the bathroom and that's where we're going to arrest him.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I want to put him in a place where it's a confined space.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: So if a fight does break out, he's got another barrier, the door he's got to get through and we can arrest him.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: We can fight in a smaller space.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: That was my thought.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: So when he comes in he sees another boy about 15 years old sitting at a table alone and he goes up to that boy and he asks him hey, are you Darren?
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: And the boy's like confused.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: He's like what?
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: And my partner said, hey, you know, he's talking to another kid.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: We need to take him out here.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: So I come out of the bathroom and he looks up and he sees me and my partner's behind him and all of a sudden he's frozen, like his emotions just went into a complete McFlurry.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: He didn't know what to do, he didn't know where to look, he didn't know what was happening and he's like, oh my God, why are you here?
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: And I said, adam, what's going on, man, why are you here?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: He's like I'm just here to get some food.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, all right.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I said well, I said, adam, I'm Darren and I'm the one you've been talking to.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: He's like I don't know what you're talking about.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I said, adam, you do and you're under arrest.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: So I arrested him and we take him outside, we transport him back to the office and his cars.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: We secured his vehicle and his cars.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: We secured his vehicle and one of the things that I had asked him to bring.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: He asked me if I would perform oral sex and I said, well, I've never done it before.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it's going to taste like.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not really, I'm scared.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: He's like well, I can bring you flavored condoms.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm like okay, do that, bring flavored condoms.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I said, also, I need some alcohol because I want to drink a little bit before we do this to loosen me up.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: He's like, okay, and I said and I love action figures, can you bring me an action figure?
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, no problem.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: So Adam shows up, doesn't have any of that stuff on him.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: So we arrest him, take him back to the office and I interview him and he admits to having these conversations, but he says, just like every other pedophile, hey, I only did it because I wanted to warn him of the dangers of talking to people online.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Uh, he says, so, I didn't mean anything that I was going to say.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: And I was like, well, why did you come here?
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: He's like, well, I came here just to meet him.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: And and, uh, tell him, you know, bring him back to his grandma and tell his grandma what he was doing, so he wouldn't get, you know, himself in a dangerous situation with a pedophile.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, bet, he already did that.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: So we have this conversation.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Ultimately, I arrest Adam again, this time for the sex crimes against a child.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: We ultimately serve a search warrant on his car and, lo and behold, there is a bag on the floorboard.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: In that bag is some wine coolers, some flavored condoms and some action figures.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: That is prima facie evidence that bad stuff was about to occur.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: So we submit all of this to the DA.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: He ends up taking a plea and during the plea deal he gets three years.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: So life is good.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: He spends his three years.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: When he gets out of jail after three years, that is when he wants to get his property back and he files a complaint against me that I stole $20 out of his property doing.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I obviously didn't steal it and he's just simply trying to deflect the focus of an attention off of him and get me into trouble.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: So he's out of jail, he's doing his thing.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: It's 2018, 2019 at this point and that's his story right, and I think it's going to end there, but it doesn't.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: He's like the Energizer bunny that just keeps going and going and going.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: So he files a report that he was scammed out of a thousand dollars and he actually takes it to the news.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Ktu, you or whoever.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Channel 2 did a episode on him where he met a guy online and the guy asked him to cash some checks and when he cashed the checks for the guy, the checks bounced and, as a result, adam was out a thousand dollars.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: So he explains his story online in the same whiny voice, in the same pathetic appearance that he has.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: He's a victim the whole world owes him.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: In fact, in the news clip, he's actually wearing the same army jacket with the black V that he was wearing on the first interview with me.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: So he talks about this and, as the news crew is telling the story, they flash up an image of the suspect's Facebook profile.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: It is about an 18-year-old, 100-pound Filipino male doing a fish face smile, sticking his hard, tight little pointed tongue out of his mouth right at the camera with a goofy look on his face.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: There is no doubt in my mind that is another homosexual partner that Adam got into some deal with and when shit went south, he filed the same type of complaint that he filed with me three years earlier.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: It's still not over for Adam.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Within a year, in 2019, he's back on the news again.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Washington County has him indicted for 19 charges of child sex abuse and luring a child with online social media apps.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: They got him again.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: He did not learn his first time.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Then, in the news article, it says that Washington County, clackamas County, multnomah County and Clark County all have him for similar charges Absolutely astonishing.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: So Adam is still in jail jail, to the best of my knowledge, for these 19 counts of child sex abuse.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: In my case, because of the system we have and the plea deals, he was charged with a lot of crimes and they pled it down to one charge of luring a child is what he got sentenced for in my case, because the system fell through and did not hold him accountable for everything that he had done.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: He was allowed to get out of jail three years later and continue to violate the children of our community.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: So on one side, I enjoyed working the case with him.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Rule number six of law enforcement is to find entertainment value in stuff that you do.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I found it entertaining to talk to him, to interact with him, to pretend to be the 13-year-old.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Ultimately, knowing I was going to get to arrest him again.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I had to be careful not to lead him.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I had to let him start all the conversations about sex and ultimately he knew I was a 13-year-old boy and he was willing to come and have sex with me based on the evidence of the condoms, the alcohol and the action figures Wasn't enough, he got out and did it again.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: That's why we do our job.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: So that is just the first and only time I had a catch a predator at a moment, and it literally just fell into my lap by a guy who couldn't stay away from me.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think that I'm his favorite person.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: In fact, I think he probably hates me, and that's okay because the feeling's mutual.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: So that's what I know about Adam, that's what I know about catching a predator, and that's all I got for this episode.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: So until next time.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Come back and check us out.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: We got a long list of interviews coming up with cops, with non-cops, with cancer survivors Everybody that's got something going on in their world that you can relate to.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Today was more entertaining than educational.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: But that's the world we live in, guys.
• 36:14
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• 36:15
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• 36:22
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