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High School Teacher Leads Class to CRACK SERIAL MURDER CASE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: One woman, then the next woman, then the next, then
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  Speaker 2: the next, then the next, then the next.
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  Speaker 3: When would it stop?
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  Speaker 2: Why were all of these women murdered and then dumped
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  Speaker 2: by the roadside?
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  Speaker 3: Who would do that?
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  Speaker 2: And it happened over a period of years, What if anything,
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  Speaker 2: do these women have in common? Who is the mastermind?
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  Speaker 2: And is there such a thing as an evil genius
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  Speaker 2: that can murder over and over and over and never
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  Speaker 2: get caught. The sad answer to that, the chilling answer
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  Speaker 2: to that is yes, it happens all the time. What
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  Speaker 2: is the commonality.
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  Speaker 3: I've had so.
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  Speaker 2: Many serial killings. You have to find a commonality. What
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  Speaker 2: links the victims together? Otherwise you're looking for a needle
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  Speaker 2: in a haystack. The only thing they all had red hair.
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  Speaker 2: Let that sink in for a moment. What kind of
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  Speaker 2: commonality is that? How can we stop him the killer?
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  Speaker 2: And oh, yes, statistics say it's a man. And why
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  Speaker 2: dump them by the motorway? Did he want them to
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  Speaker 2: be found? It's like taking out a billboard on Third Avenue.
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  Speaker 2: I killed her and her and her and her and
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  Speaker 2: her and her, clearly murdering with impunity until enter a
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  Speaker 2: high school teacher and his class. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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  Speaker 2: at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven or
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  Speaker 2: First of all, take a listen to student William Bowers
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  Speaker 2: and this is coming from the Murder one oh one podcast.
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  Speaker 3: From Katie Studios.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Is my privilege and honor,
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  Speaker 4: so welcome you to our past conference. My name is
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  Speaker 4: William Bowers and I'm a part of mister Campbell's sociology class.
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  Speaker 5: Many of you or.
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  Speaker 4: Today are asking the same question, why are we here,
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  Speaker 4: Why are we doing this? Why do we even care
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  Speaker 4: about this? Well, it's start was thirty seven years ago
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  Speaker 4: when a man murdered an unknown woman and laid her
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  Speaker 4: body decided anstey. Four years later, five more women said
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  Speaker 4: the same faith those women would be founded along in
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  Speaker 4: the states and the highways. It costs multiple states at
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  Speaker 4: the time of their death. The women were founded with
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  Speaker 4: radish hair. Law enforcement at the time couldn't solve the
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  Speaker 4: murders due to the women never being identified.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that was incredibly well spoken by a student named
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  Speaker 2: William Bowers. And what is the murder one on one podcast,
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  Speaker 2: and who are these students? And who is this teacher?
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  Speaker 2: And William Bowers asks a very good question. He poses
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  Speaker 2: a very good question. He frames it, why does anybody
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  Speaker 2: do anything? But more particularly, why after nearly forty years pass,
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  Speaker 2: does anybody still care about the women, these redheaded victims
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  Speaker 2: murdered and strown by the interstate like trash.
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  Speaker 3: Well, all I.
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  Speaker 2: Can say is PTL, Praise the Lord. Somebody did care.
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  Speaker 2: And joining me right now is one of the students
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  Speaker 2: who worked on this project and the teacher that brought
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  Speaker 2: them together. Joining us from Elizabethtown, Tennessee. Alex Campbell, teacher
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  Speaker 2: at the local high school, host I murder one, author
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  Speaker 2: of ten lessons that will get you fired.
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  Speaker 3: But you must teach immediately. Okay, before I get to.
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  Speaker 2: That, let me deal with this Alex Campbell, your student.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, welcome here, your student. William Bowers framed
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  Speaker 2: the question, why are we doing this?
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  Speaker 3: Why do we even care?
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  Speaker 2: Well? I know why I care because I'm a crime victim,
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  Speaker 2: because I lived with the memory of my murdered fiancee
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  Speaker 2: every day. Why did you care?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah? You know.
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  Speaker 6: True crime is such a popular genre. Obviously, lots of
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  Speaker 6: people are interested in it. I think at the beginning
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  Speaker 6: of the semester of the students thought it would be
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  Speaker 6: kind of need to be fun to see if there
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  Speaker 6: was a serial killer in their state, in their region.
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  Speaker 6: But throughout the project what happened was the students thought
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  Speaker 6: less about finding a serial killer and they thought more
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  Speaker 6: about these people as human beings. And so by the
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  Speaker 6: time the end of the semester came around and you
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  Speaker 6: know Will was speaking there at the press conference, the
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  Speaker 6: students really had started taking to calling these six women
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  Speaker 6: their six sisters. They said, we feel like family, and
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  Speaker 6: the cause maybe they were a strange from their family,
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  Speaker 6: their family, can't you know, put the pressure on and
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  Speaker 6: keep the story going. And so they decided that they
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  Speaker 6: wanted to become their family and do that for them.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, I don't say I think anyone could have answered as
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  Speaker 2: eloquently as you just did. Instead of trying to catch
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  Speaker 2: a perceived serial killer, you and your class began identifying
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  Speaker 2: with the victims who.
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  Speaker 3: Have no voice. And isn't it true, mister.
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  Speaker 2: Campbell, that it's also always those that are the weakest
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  Speaker 2: in our society that are most taken advantage of, for instance, women, children.
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  Speaker 2: These voices have gone unheard and unrepresented for nearly forty
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  Speaker 2: years until you started your project. How did you come
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  Speaker 2: up with the idea, Alex Campbell, of creating a podcast
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  Speaker 2: really focusing on them ours?
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  Speaker 3: But did you intend to solve them?
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  Speaker 6: Well, like I said, I don't think the intent was
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  Speaker 6: necessarily to say, hey, we're going to be able to
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  Speaker 6: solve a killer by May. The end of the semester,
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  Speaker 6: the students we had some good talks about, you know,
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  Speaker 6: what we wanted to see come from this, And of
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  Speaker 6: course you don't want to discourage kids. You don't wan
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  Speaker 6: to let them get some ideas that you know they
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  Speaker 6: could never fulfil. That usually leads to frustration for students.
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  Speaker 6: So they said, you know, just keeping people aware, getting
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  Speaker 6: the stories out there, and maybe helping one of these
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  Speaker 6: women get her name back would be enough for them.
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  Speaker 2: So the women were not even identified, Alex, Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So only one of the six women was identified at
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  Speaker 6: the time, and she had been identified in nineteen eighty five,
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  Speaker 6: so it had been over thirty years since any movement
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  Speaker 6: on any of these cases.
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  Speaker 2: Which one was originally identified, Lisa Nichols, So she out
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  Speaker 2: of the six women, was originally identified.
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  Speaker 3: Are there only six women or are there others?
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  Speaker 6: So that's where it gets complicated. If you look at
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  Speaker 6: the Redhead murders, there's usually depends on kind of what
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  Speaker 6: you look at. But twelve to maybe fourteen different murders.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they came up with eleven. I'm curious how
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  Speaker 2: you came up with twelve to fourteen?
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 6: So see that was the thing, is this thing called
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  Speaker 6: the Redhead murders. But nobody had ever said if any
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  Speaker 6: of these murders were related. So what the students did
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  Speaker 6: was they tried to prove, with the help of Scott Barker,
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  Speaker 6: that there were certain ones of these victims that were
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  Speaker 6: related to one suspect.
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  Speaker 2: Hold On, I'm trying to soak in everything you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: You got me drinking from a fire hydrant. What are
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  Speaker 2: we talking about. We're talking about somewhere between six eleven
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  Speaker 2: and fourteen women dead, all under the umbrella of the
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  Speaker 2: Red Head murders, many of them never even identified. It's
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  Speaker 2: like a Potter's grave, so to speak. And you just
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  Speaker 2: heard that teacher joining us from Elizabethton, Tennessee, describing the
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  Speaker 2: launching of his podcast.
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  Speaker 3: With his students.
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  Speaker 2: He mentioned the name Scott Barker, former FBI special agent
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  Speaker 2: that helped the student, Scott Parker, Why did you get involved?
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  Speaker 5: I received a telephone call from a colleague of mine
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  Speaker 5: who is the supervisor of Johnson City. He and our
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  Speaker 5: friends we actually went to the same high school, worked together.
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  Speaker 5: Oddly enough, in such a large outfit, we ended up
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  Speaker 5: in the same office. And he called me and said, Hey,
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  Speaker 5: there's a teacher of Elizabeth in high school that they're
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  Speaker 5: doing a project and they're wanting somebody who has some
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  Speaker 5: knowledge about behavioral analysis come speak to the class and
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  Speaker 5: just give them some ideas, some fresh ideas, things to
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  Speaker 5: look at. And so I drove up. We took about
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  Speaker 5: an hour hour and a half and I just threw
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  Speaker 5: out some ideas, asked them questions, allowed them to ask
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  Speaker 5: me questions. And what I realized early on was they
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  Speaker 5: were really informed, they were really quizzical about how things worked,
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  Speaker 5: and they were anxious to get this case going and
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  Speaker 5: get this profile going. So all I tried to do
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  Speaker 5: is just give them some ideas, point them in the
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  Speaker 5: right direction, and then they did the work.
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  Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace Scott.
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  Speaker 3: Marker at Alix Campbell.
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  Speaker 2: I can remember the first time anyone truly read out
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  Speaker 2: loud Shakespeare. To me, it was Professor Kenneth Hammond at
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  Speaker 2: Mercer University. When he did that the way he said it,
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  Speaker 2: I knew I had to major in Shakespeare in literature.
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  Speaker 2: It was just like that. It changed my life. Do
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  Speaker 2: either of you realize how much you have changed not
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  Speaker 2: only the students' lives, the lives of these victims families.
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  Speaker 6: Well, maybe I don't write because I've really never been
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  Speaker 6: in their situation. Here's one thing a lot of people
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  Speaker 6: ask me. They say, well, did any of your students
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  Speaker 6: really get turned on to detective work or criminal justice?
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  Speaker 6: Did they become lawyers or you know, do they want
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  Speaker 6: to go into law enforcement? And as far as I know,
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  Speaker 6: none have. But to me, like that makes me feel
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  Speaker 6: good because what I want the students to understand is
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  Speaker 6: that it doesn't matter who you are. It doesn't matter
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  Speaker 6: if you're a professional, if you have more training than
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  Speaker 6: anybody any one of us in society, when we see
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  Speaker 6: a wrong, we can use the skills, the knowledge is
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  Speaker 6: the energy that we have to try to bring justice,
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  Speaker 6: whether you're an expert or not. And so the fact
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  Speaker 6: that they're able to take that with them into their lives.
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  Speaker 6: No matter which you know, job or career they go
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  Speaker 6: into that. That's the thing that I think they took
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  Speaker 6: with them and hopefully, no matter what they see, they're
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  Speaker 6: going to make the world a better place.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get down to the facts of the Redhead murders.
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  Speaker 2: Take a listen again to student William Bowers.
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  Speaker 7: We spent months learning about the Red Headed murders into
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  Speaker 7: what a serial killer is. We looked into the lives
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  Speaker 7: of some of the most infamous serial killers like Ted
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  Speaker 7: Bundy and Richard Chase. With the information providing and what
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  Speaker 7: we have learned, we were able to create an m
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  Speaker 7: a signatude and the profile for the murderer.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, you're hearing the student William Bowers on Murder one
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  Speaker 2: oh one podcast from KATI Studios. A serial killer stalking
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  Speaker 2: an entire region, a swath of land, leaving his victims
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  Speaker 2: along the interstate.
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  Speaker 3: What many people?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've heard of Ted Bundy, We've heard of Bill Gacy,
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  Speaker 2: We've heard of so many serial killers. But who had
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  Speaker 2: ever heard of the Redhead murders until now? And this
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  Speaker 2: high school teacher and his class. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 2: Dave matt Crime Online.
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  Speaker 3: What are the.
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  Speaker 8: Redhead Murders thirteen redheaded women are killed by a suspect
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  Speaker 8: this serial killer during a fourteen year period. The theme
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  Speaker 8: of red haired victims whose bodies were discarded along major
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  Speaker 8: highways led the crime spree to be called the Redhead Murders.
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  Speaker 8: The murders are believed to be related to several states,
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  Speaker 8: including Tennessee, Arkansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia, and
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  Speaker 8: some of the facts leave many wondering about what we
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  Speaker 8: just don't know. The killing spree could have lasted longer
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  Speaker 8: than fourteen years. No one is sure is there more
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  Speaker 8: than one killer. Officials aren't sure how many victims have
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  Speaker 8: there been, five, fourteen or more? Again, the answer is
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  Speaker 8: no one knows.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me right now, Perry Kira Monte, senior reporter at
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  Speaker 2: The Messenger, Perry, tell me about the murders.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's really an astounding case, and I
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  Speaker 5: too had not heard of it until I was reported
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  Speaker 5: on Alex's class and their discovery. There were numerous women
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  Speaker 5: between the sound of their bodies. Believe in the early
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  Speaker 5: eighties to nineteen ninety two. Many of them were were
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  Speaker 5: Their investigations went nowhere. They were They were all all
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  Speaker 5: of them were cold cases. Many of them were estranged
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  Speaker 5: from their family and do and also they were found
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  Speaker 5: in other parts of the region that they weren't from,
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  Speaker 5: so it was kind of hard to track down family
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  Speaker 5: and and and more build more of an idea on
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  Speaker 5: the victims. And you know, if these were a multitude
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  Speaker 5: of cases that had never got solved until Alex's class
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  Speaker 5: kind of kind of made headway and then and for
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  Speaker 5: lack of a better term, crack the case.
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  Speaker 2: Alex Campbell, the teacher who led this project, Alex, were
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  Speaker 2: the women.
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  Speaker 6: Nude somewhere and some weren't.
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  Speaker 3: How many were nude?
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  Speaker 6: So that's also a thing too. If women completely like
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  Speaker 6: not even socks, then it appears maybe two or three.
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  Speaker 3: How about partially Yeah, so there were probably four or
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  Speaker 3: five Okay, gotcha that might have been there.
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  Speaker 2: To Scott Barker joining me fromer FBI special agent who
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  Speaker 2: worked on cracking this serial murdered case, obviously you know
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  Speaker 2: where I'm going, Scott Barker. I'm going toward motive so
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  Speaker 2: I can hopefully get to the perp. If any are
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  Speaker 2: nude are partially nude, that tells me that there's very
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  Speaker 2: likely a sex motive.
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  Speaker 3: Agree disagree.
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  Speaker 5: Agree.
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  Speaker 3: So this is not.
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  Speaker 2: Someone walking around the mall and he happens to see
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  Speaker 2: a redheaded person and go I hate redheads and murders them.
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  Speaker 2: This is someone who has a sex proclivity to rape
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  Speaker 2: and is picking easy targets hitchhikers and or women he can.
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  Speaker 3: Get off alone.
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  Speaker 2: And the fact that they are along the motorway, Scott
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  Speaker 2: Barker tells me, this guy travels, and of course it's
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  Speaker 2: a guy.
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  Speaker 3: I meanatistically, of.
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  Speaker 2: Course it's a guy the motorway, Scott Barker, the motorway
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  Speaker 2: where the bodies are disposed.
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  Speaker 3: It's like he pushes them out of the car.
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  Speaker 5: Dead, Yes, ma'am, the correct. And obviously that leads you
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  Speaker 5: to believe, what's the type of person that travels the
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  Speaker 5: motorway on a frequent occasion. And obviously your first thought is,
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  Speaker 5: using common sense, that your offender is probably.
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  Speaker 2: A trucker exactly, a trucker or someone that travels like
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  Speaker 2: a traveling salesman. To put, I don't have a better
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  Speaker 2: word to describe that, but yes, a trucker or a
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  Speaker 2: traveling salesperson, a person that travels not by air but
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  Speaker 2: by vehicle that route. That's who I'm looking for. Also,
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  Speaker 2: we know, do we not, Scott Barker, that typically serial
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  Speaker 2: killers strike within their own race, agree or disagree, agree,
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  Speaker 2: And of course there are some exceptions to that, like
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  Speaker 2: the DC snipers.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great.
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  Speaker 2: Exception, But generally, statistics heavily support the theory that serial
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  Speaker 2: killers kill within their own race. Why I'm not a shrink,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I know statistics.
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  Speaker 3: So now, now that we know that there are.
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  Speaker 2: Six to fourteen women redheads scattered New to partially New
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  Speaker 2: for the most part along this area, we can deduce
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  Speaker 2: we've got a white male old enough to drive, not
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  Speaker 2: too old to drive, that knows this stretch of roadway
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  Speaker 2: that is very likely a trucker or a traveling salesperson
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  Speaker 2: who was sexually active during this period of time. Yes, no,
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  Speaker 2: Scott Barker. Yes, let me ask you this, Scott, What
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  Speaker 2: were the cod's cause of deaths on these women? Or
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  Speaker 2: can you tell after that much time has passed.
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  Speaker 5: I think most of them were strangulation. There might have
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  Speaker 5: been one that was bunt force trauma, but the majority
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  Speaker 5: of them were strangulation.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Bethany Marshall, I'm sure she's eight. Just to
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  Speaker 2: put it mildly to jump in. Doctor Bethany Marshall renounces
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  Speaker 2: likeo analyst joining us out of the la jurisdiction at
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  Speaker 2: dr Bethany marshall dot com. She's also appearing in the
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  Speaker 2: new season of Paris in Love on Peacock Dodtor Bethany
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  Speaker 2: jump in the first well.
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  Speaker 9: I think one of the reasons that these women were
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  Speaker 9: strewn along the roadway may have been not because he
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  Speaker 9: was a truck or a traveling salesman. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 9: a great likelihood, but then he put so much energy
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  Speaker 9: into hunting for certain types of victims, certain profiling of victims,
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  Speaker 9: their victim types, that he was just on the move
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  Speaker 9: all the time, more like somebody who may be living
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  Speaker 9: a subsidized lifestyle, maybe somebody who didn't even work. I
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  Speaker 9: think one of the reasons these serial killers go underground
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  Speaker 9: for long periods of time and then they pop up
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  Speaker 9: and kill somebody is because their sexual fantasy life is
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  Speaker 9: so vivid that they live within that world, looking at
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  Speaker 9: pornography and looking at you know, fantasizing about things, until
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  Speaker 9: eventually they can't take it anymore, and then they go
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  Speaker 9: out and offend. I think the reason for the strangulation
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  Speaker 9: is that this perpetrator wanted to see the fear in
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  Speaker 9: the women's eyes. Likely he committed the sex act while
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  Speaker 9: he was strangling them.
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  Speaker 2: Why.
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  Speaker 9: Because psychopaths like to inflict pain and harm. This helps
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  Speaker 9: them to get sexually aroused. So it's no coincidence that
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  Speaker 9: the victims are murdered, strangled, and sex attacked because that's
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  Speaker 9: all of their this is their part of their sexual deviancy.
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  Speaker 9: That's the only way that they can, you know, achieve
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  Speaker 9: orgasm for lack of a better word, is to commit
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  Speaker 9: this kind of offense. And often often the semen is
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  Speaker 9: not even on the body. Sometimes it's in the area
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  Speaker 9: somewhere because they have they're so worked up, they're walking around,
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  Speaker 9: they're they're you know, they're they're not even on the
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  Speaker 9: victim at some point. They're just angry and agitated and
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  Speaker 9: really ambulating.
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  Speaker 2: I've learned that, and let me go to Kara Porter
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  Speaker 2: joining us out of Utah, attorney and co founder of
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  Speaker 2: the Cold Case Coalition. You can find Kara at coldcasehelp
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  Speaker 2: dot com. Kara, in my experience prosecuting, investigating, and covering
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  Speaker 2: serial killers, I believe we can learn possibly the most
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  Speaker 2: from the first victim before the killer holmes his or
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  Speaker 2: her rarely skills. So I would like to look at
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  Speaker 2: the first victim, Karen, do you agree with that assessment
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  Speaker 2: or not?
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  Speaker 9: I do.
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  Speaker 10: I think sometimes that's why it's especially frustrating if one
• 20:42
  Speaker 10: cannot figure out who the first victim is. You know,
• 20:45
  Speaker 10: if someone is still unidentified, and here there were several
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: states where these bodies were found. What if there is
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: an earlier victim that hasn't been brought to someone's attention.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking right now of Rex Huerman, the Long
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Island serial killer. Many people believe he is also the
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: mannerable Butcher. The butcher would dismember his victims at some point.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: It's hypothesized that the butcher realized he didn't have to
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: go to that extreme, so he just started bearing them
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: along Gilgo Beach. So we learn a lot from the
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: arc of the MOA motus operandi, method of operation of
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the serial killer.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Does it change? Is it flat?
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Let's look with that in mind at the first victim
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: that we know of, and can't really tell if that's correct,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: but this is so we think maybe the first victim Listen.
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  Speaker 8: Nineteen eighty three, The first victim was an unidentified white woman.
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: Her body was found naked near the city of Littleton
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: in West Virginia. Her hair more auburn than red. Her
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: cause of death not known, but police say she was
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: likely suffocated. A suspect was named after reports were made
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: of a white man approximately five foot six inches tall,
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: was seen near where the body was found.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: He was never identified, of course, he wasn't a white guy.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Maybe five six probably identified by a motorist. You're going
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: to figure out how tall he was as you fly
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: by at sixty mph. No, uh huh, but as we
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: do do this was Scott Barker, former FBI agent. Serial
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: killers typically kill within their race, so we knew. We
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: know it's a man. Oh we know it's a white man.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: We kind of already knew that. What do we learn
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: as the bodies continue to pop up, being picked up
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: along the motorway like trash.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Listen.
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  Speaker 8: The body of a female wrapped in a blanket is
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: found off I seventeen near Juliko on New Year's Day
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  Speaker 8: nineteen eighty five. Ninety days and four miles south of Jalico,
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: another female is found, This time it's the skeletonized partial
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: remains of a young girl found in April of nineteen
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: eighty five. Officials believe she's been dead between one and
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: four years. She was found by a passer. By thirty
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: four years after her remains were found, a reconstruction of
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: her face is done by the National Center for Missing
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: and Exploited Children, proving she hasn't been forgotten. Then August thirty,
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: twenty twenty two, the unidentified remains found in nineteen eighty
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: five are finally identified after Orthroom Laboratories locates possible family
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: members in Indiana. She's identified as fifteen year old Tracy
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: Sue Walker of La Fayelle, Indiana. Her mother says she
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: disappeared in nineteen seventy eight after she was last seen
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: at Tippecanoe Mall with a friend. Tracy Walker had red hair.
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  Speaker 2: Joining Me Right Now is one of the students who
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: worked on Murder one one, hoping to just simply identify
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: one or two of the victims, never imagining they a
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: group of high school students led by their teacher, Alice Campbell,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: could crack a case. Joining Me Right Now Marley Mathena
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: from a lie Bethton, Tennessee. Marley, you're a high school scene.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: You're right, Yes, ma'am. What went through your mind when
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: you learned that one of the victims is a fifteen
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: year old little girl who was just at the mall
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: with a friend.
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  Speaker 11: It's really terrifying, honestly, and I think that's part of
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: why I have been so passionate about this case, because
• 24:24
  Speaker 11: it could very well happen to me, my best friend,
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: my mom, my cousin. So I just want to advocate
• 24:31
  Speaker 11: for women like that. And I know that if it
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: was me or anyone that I was relatedship, I would
• 24:35
  Speaker 11: want to say for them.
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  Speaker 2: When you were working on this murder one I one
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: podcast with your high school teacher, when you went into it,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: what was your expectation?
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: What did you think was going to happen?
• 24:49
  Speaker 11: I thought that we would be able to dive deep
• 24:52
  Speaker 11: into all the evidence and put all the facts out there.
• 24:55
  Speaker 11: And my goal was really just to bring awareness to
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: it again and maybe other people would see and professionals
• 25:03
  Speaker 11: could help them. I never in a million years dreamed
• 25:06
  Speaker 11: that I would be the one that got to uncover
• 25:08
  Speaker 11: all of this evidence and make some need advancement.
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  Speaker 3: I got a question, Marillie, what do you want to
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: be when you grow up?
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: I think I want to be something in the medical field.
• 25:16
  Speaker 11: I'm not really sure yet.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Man, you are so smart and so articulate. I've seen
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: your picture pretty good looking, thank you.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Kind of beautiful too. Man.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: You could do anything. And I'm just thinking of you
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: with your group and mister Campbell working on this. Is
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Scott Barker working on this. And you find out that
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: one of the victims is a teen girl just like you.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Her crime she went to the mall and she ends
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: up murdered on the side of the interstate. Doctor Michelle
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Dupre joining US forensic pathologist, medical examiner, former detective with
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Lesion County Sheriff's Department, author of Money, Mischief, Murder, the
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Murdoch's Saga, but more important for my purposes the author
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: she literally wrote the book Homicide Investigation Field Guide, Doctor
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: dupri If you have red hair and you're murdered, will
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: your hair change over time?
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Does it decompose or does it stay red?
• 26:21
  Speaker 12: Nan, It'll pretty much stay the same color. Certainly everything
• 26:24
  Speaker 12: will decompose over time, but the color is going to
• 26:26
  Speaker 12: remain the same.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Now, how after people pass away, does their hair keep growing?
• 26:31
  Speaker 12: No, that's that's a myth. What happens is your skin
• 26:34
  Speaker 12: with draws and it makes it look like your hair
• 26:36
  Speaker 12: grows the same thing with your nails. They don't grow
• 26:39
  Speaker 12: after death.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Doctor Michelle Dupree joining US out of Columbia, South Carolina.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: With a case like this, how do you determine cause
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: of death? Since many of the victims are skeletonized and
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: unless a neck bone or the hyoid bone broken, there's
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: no tissue to see bruises.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: How do you figure it out?
• 27:00
  Speaker 12: You know, Nancy, that is a very difficult situation. A
• 27:03
  Speaker 12: lot of times we can look at the bones and
• 27:06
  Speaker 12: see if there are any injuries, any sharp corse injuries,
• 27:08
  Speaker 12: any gunshot, wos, anything like that. We can also take
• 27:12
  Speaker 12: the soil from beneath where the victims are found and
• 27:15
  Speaker 12: analyze that soil to see if there's any toxicology that
• 27:19
  Speaker 12: may be relevant. But you're right, it's very difficult when
• 27:22
  Speaker 12: there is no real body to examine other than bones.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Alex Campbell, the teacher at Elizabethton High School, host Murder
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: one one and author of ten lessons that will get
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: you fired, but you must teach immediately.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I had to find out what those ten lessons are,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: but that after this Alice Campbell, when did it become
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: clear to you without any doubt that there was in
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: fact a serial killer.
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So one of the things that Scott Barker told
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: us was that if you wanted to show that more
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: than one of these victims was related to one perpetrator,
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: was that you had to have the same signature in
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: the same timeframe and in the same geographic area. And
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: so that's the work that the students did several years ago.
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: And once we found that six of those women pretty
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: much shared all of those things, that's when we became
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: convinced that there actually was a serial killer that was
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: responsible for several of the Redhead murders.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Scott Barker, You're absolutely correct, same mo, motorcyperandi, same time frame,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: and same geographic area. And then of course you come
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: up with a nut like Ted Bundy who goes across
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: the entire country and changes his MOO. But I think
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I generally agree with you, samem same time frame, same
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: geographic area, and of course Bunny change not only moved,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: but moved a great deal, but also changed his MO.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: So of course there is an exception to every rule.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: But Scott Barker, these women fit your criteria to a
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: t and you're right, and you're right.
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  Speaker 5: There are some killers will change the MO because obviously
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: they're the smartest person in the room, and they think
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: not changing the MO they can do that. But in
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: this case I felt like that if they wanted to
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: narrow it down, just because of what I was finding
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: out about the cases, that they were all in the
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: same general area, they were being dune along the side
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: of the road, that probably most of those things were
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: going to be the same. To focus on those things
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: that maybe they could identify one individuals is committing all
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: these crimes.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: You know, Scott Barker, I think on that last next
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: to lastn as, you're half right and half wrong. I
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: could be totally wrong, but you said the serial killer
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: thinks he is the smartest one in the room. You're
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: so right about that. Think they're going to out smart everybody.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Very often they do. But I also think there's a
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: component of a killer, especially a serial killer, that acts
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: on animal instinct like Bundy there at the end, I mean,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: he was clubbing people dead, no elaborate plan, just break
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  Speaker 2: in and kill. I think at some point they begin
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: to act like an animal they have to kill.
• 30:04
  Speaker 9: Were you, Nancy?
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: I know that's doctor Bethany.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Can I at least finish my sense before you correct me,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: and then you're.
• 30:10
  Speaker 12: Going to be right.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm get an idiot, But they start just
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: acting out of this insane desire to kill or to
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: rape or to cause pain, and they get to where
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: they throw all their planning out in the window and
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: they're previously used in MO and they just start killing
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and biting and naming doctor Bethany.
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  Speaker 9: Well to dovetail with what you're saying, because you're absolutely right.
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: Their deviant patterns increase and become more intense over time,
• 30:41
  Speaker 9: because if you think of this as a part of
• 30:43
  Speaker 9: a sexual arousal pattern, sexuality and inflicting cruelty going hand
• 30:48
  Speaker 9: in hand. They have to inflict increasing amounts of cruelty
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: in order to enhance their sexual arousal. So over time
• 30:56
  Speaker 9: they become emboldened, they get more ideas, they look at
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: pronography that stimulates them more, and so it's really increased
• 31:03
  Speaker 9: debancy as well as what we're seeing.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: So I guess, Scott Barker, what you said is absolutely correct.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: But I do.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Think that there is some kind of a distorted instinct.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I think it's what suits them at the moment, what maneuver,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: what ploy will get their victim. But apparently this guy
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: stuck with his m O Scott Barker, because all these
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: women were found on the side of the interstate.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Guys, what more do we know?
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Listen to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Crime Online
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Dave Mack.
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: In the United States of America, it seems like every
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: state claims to be a part of the Bible Belt.
• 32:01
  Speaker 8: But if you're looking for the buckle of the Bible Belt,
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: you'll most likely be talking about an area that includes Tennessee, Arkansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, Pennsylvania.
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: In West Virginia and these days, during a period of
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: about fourteen years, a serial killer.
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: Was on the loose.
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: This killer had a special affinity for redheads, as all
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: of his victims were women with red or strawberry blond hair.
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: Their bodies dumped along major highways in the states that
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: make up the so called Bible Belt.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, So which one is it?
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Alex Campbell the redhead murders of the Bible Belt murners.
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: Yes, it's both. Like we said, those twelve to fourteen
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: murders are all considered the Redhead Murders. What the students
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: wanted to do with naming the serial killer of the
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: Bible Belt strangler was to separate those women out that
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: could be linked to one killer and show that we
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: actually did have a serial killer targeting multiple women during
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: this time period.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Guys teacher Alex Campbell challenge his students to see the
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: work of the Red Head Murders was attributed to one man.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: They bring in former FBI agent that helped teach them,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Scott Barker. Marley Mathena, a high school student in this group,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: tell me, after you realize the women were in these
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: six women were in fact connected, the moment that you,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: along with the other students realized you may be able
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: to crack the case, it was incredible.
• 33:37
  Speaker 11: We did one presentation to a sheriff and a district
• 33:40
  Speaker 11: attorney and it was just me and my partner Riley,
• 33:44
  Speaker 11: and just them, and the feedback that they gave us
• 33:47
  Speaker 11: was absolutely incredible. And just the fact that I was
• 33:50
  Speaker 11: talking to law enforcement officials and getting them all rolling
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: is just absolutely surreal, and it was incredible to say
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: that I've been a part in bringing it in justice.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: To Alex Campbell, the teacher that spearheaded this, that created this.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: He teaches at Elizabethton High School, Host.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Of Murder one one.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: At what moment did you realize you were going to
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: crack this case?
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: I think whenever they identified the killer of Tina Farmer
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: and we were able to have a suspect that we
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: could look at. And what we did was we took
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: the profile the students created and then we said does
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: he fit the profile? He fit every single characteristic in
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: that profile, and I think that's when the students realized
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: he is going to be the person who is most
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: likely responsible for several of these murders and is the
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: Bible belt strangler we've been looking for.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Tell me what those criteria were? What criteria did he meet?
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so there was actually seventeen different ones that they
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: created with a rationale, and it was things like, of course,
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: the job and he was indeed a trucker, but they
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: also identified his race, his marital status. They said he
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: probably would be married or have long term relationships, He
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: would probably have a family, he would be able to
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: keep a stable job. That whenever people heard about this,
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: they would say, Oh, it can't be him. He's such
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: a nice guy. So all those type of things, and
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: when we really started looking into it, he fit every
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: single one of those.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about how you pieced it all together. What
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: went through your mind Alex Campbell when you realized you
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: had identified the killer?
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: You know, it's one of those things where you think,
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: if I could ever get an answer to this question,
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: I would be so happy, I would be satisfied. But
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: the truth is, every time we get an answer in
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: one of these cases, we realized we have like fifty
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: more questions that need to be answered. So I got
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: to tell you I was hoping for like this feeling
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: of satisfaction, but the reality is I just realized we
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: had more and more work to do.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: To you, Scott Barker, what it through your mind when
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: you realized that you guys had absolutely identified the redheaded
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: serial killer Jerry John's Quite.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: Frankly, I was shocked. I never thought it would get
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: to that point. Again, as I said previously, I thought
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: they would do a report presented to a class and
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: that would probably be the end of it. I never
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: realized it would go this far. And when and when
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: mister Campbell sent me your profile originally to look at it,
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: I went, wow, this is pretty good, and so they're
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: coming up with these things that we had talked about
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: in class, making the suggestions on where to look, and
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden they come up with this profile.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: And then I remember when mister Campbell called me and said, hey,
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: they've identified a victim, and we started talking about other victims,
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: the route that would have been taken by this trucker,
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: and then we realized that, hey, this guy probably is
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: responsible for some of these homicides.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: In the end, did DNA play a role Marley and
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Mathena and identify the defendant Jerry John's.
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: Yes, ma'am, I think it did. There were multiple T
• 37:05
  Speaker 11: shirts and things that he used to strangle the women,
• 37:08
  Speaker 11: and his DNA was left behind on some of those.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Amazing that after all of this, Kara Porter joining me
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: co f out of the cold case coalition, these high
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: school students and this high school teacher, this FBI agent
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: managed to solve a cold case.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: It's astounding, Kara.
• 37:29
  Speaker 10: You know, it's a wonderful example of how people who
• 37:35
  Speaker 10: have that have the passion and take the time to
• 37:38
  Speaker 10: do a deep dive can really supplement limited law enforcement resources.
• 37:44
  Speaker 10: And what these students did was just fantastic. And I
• 37:48
  Speaker 10: would love to see it replicated all over the country.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I agree with you completely, Kara Porter, except for one thing.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Supplement my rear end. They cracked the case. It's an
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: amazing I agree with you, Kia. You know I mentioned
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Professor Hammond from Mercer Undergrad. When I first heard him
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: read and then explain a passage of Shakespeare, I knew
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: that's what I had to study. After that, my fiancee
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: was murdered, I left any hopes of teaching in a
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: classroom far behind and went to law school. I had
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: no idea whether I could pull it off or not.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: And then another professor changed my life. His name was
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Sean Felony Murder Watson. Not only did he have any
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: very heavy Irish brogue, but he talked about.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Felony murder all the time.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: And as I sat there listening to Professor Watson speak,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: somehow I knew inside that I was at least going
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: to try to become a felony prosecutor. Ales Campbell, you
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: may never know how you affected these students.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Maybe I probably won't.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: You're right. One of the things that teaching is, you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: you can plan what you want the students to learn.
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: What you're going to teach, but in reality, when you
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: give them a hands on, authentic learning experience, you can
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: never really know what the student's going to take from it.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: But you know, the one thing I wanted to take
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: is like, there's problems in the world that need to
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: be solved and it's time for people to step up
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: and do it, whether they're the expert or not. And
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: I think they got it and to care about fellow people.
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: That's what it comes down to.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Whether they're the expert or not. Marley and Methina certainly
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: know homicide investigator. She's not a crime lab analyst, she's
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: not CSI, but she and some other high school students cared,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: and they cared deeply and they have the case of.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: The Redhead serial killer.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Thank you to Scott Barker, Alex Campbell, Marley Mathena and
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: the other students who finally got justice.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Goodbye friends,