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She’s Being Targeted Because She’s a Woman · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Brian. I'm here with Allison, and this is maintaining
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  Speaker 1: frame she's being targeted because she's a woman. Where we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be looking at a Law and Crime Network
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  Speaker 1: video about a well, let's say, a female offender and
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  Speaker 1: some of the insane let's say, elements of this. You'll
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  Speaker 2: All right, this is it.
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  Speaker 1: This is gonna be fun, all right. So we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: play a bit of the let's do the the opening
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  Speaker 1: opening openings, the cold open here and we'll go from there.
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  Speaker 3: So, hey, Christina, can you.
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  Speaker 1: Guys hear that? Okay? Yeah, you should be able to
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  Speaker 1: hear this, okay, all right, sometimes it's singleitches out there's
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  Speaker 1: no audio.
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  Speaker 4: Hey Christina, yeah, okay, you step on the car for me.
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  Speaker 3: Christina Formela could go on trial this year for a
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  Speaker 3: long list of sex crimes involving one of her former students.
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  Speaker 3: But you can't even give me like an idea what
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  Speaker 3: this is about. I look at everything we know about
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  Speaker 3: her case as she prepares for a new court date
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  Speaker 3: in January. Imagine that leeby and this is crime.
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  Speaker 1: Fix all right. So we have set our stage. We
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  Speaker 1: have a female sex offender.
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  Speaker 5: Allegend alleged allegedly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she's being arrested for that, for that
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  Speaker 1: well no, no, we'll let you guys decide on that.
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  Speaker 1: On sure your thoughts are, what's your thoughts are? Let's
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  Speaker 1: skip ahead to the setup. This is after the introduction.
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  Speaker 1: Uh liket go right here, Okay, be.
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  Speaker 3: Right there on your screen. It's been more than nine
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  Speaker 3: months since police in Downers Grove, Illinois, pulled into Christina
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  Speaker 3: Formula's driveway and told her they needed to talk. By
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  Speaker 3: the end of the day in March of twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 3: she was in jail, charged with sex crimes.
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  Speaker 2: Rule, how did that ever happened? H Would you just
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  Speaker 2: notice the framing right off the back.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, well, the the framing is on her as
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  Speaker 1: the protagonist. Oh yeah, yeah sure.
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  Speaker 2: Like we don't start with the the crimes, We don't
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  Speaker 2: start with a statement by the victim, all right, we
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  Speaker 2: just start with her. Oh my god, just out of nowhere,
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  Speaker 2: the police nation attack poor her.
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  Speaker 6: You know, she could could not possibly have known why
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  Speaker 6: she was going to jail, even though even though you know,
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  Speaker 6: the plot thickens as we go through, and.
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  Speaker 2: He definitely knew why. But but we're going to start with, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this just this just blindsided her core delicate, attractive young woman,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in the prime of her her ute, and
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  Speaker 2: she was just blindsided by the horrible, horrible police taking
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  Speaker 2: her away. I'm just saying it starts very sympathetic to her,
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  Speaker 2: considering what she did and the premeditated nature of it.
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  Speaker 1: But let's keep going all right, So let's keep going out.
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  Speaker 1: I still setting it up.
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  Speaker 3: Grove South High School, where Formelo is a special education
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  Speaker 3: teacher and coach.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she was a special education teacher. That's that seems
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  Speaker 1: to be something they gloss over. But I think it's
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  Speaker 1: important because if it's one of her students, then these
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  Speaker 1: aren't just like, it's not just a kid, it's a
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  Speaker 1: kid with special needs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that has a range, though it could also
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  Speaker 2: be somebody else.
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  Speaker 1: I could just beople with learning difficulties and stuff. Sure, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: yeah they are, I would say, at least could you
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  Speaker 1: at least say they're especially vulnerable.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, I would think so, because they're they're probably separated
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  Speaker 7: from the main body of students.
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  Speaker 2: They probably have a closer relationship with her, and she's
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  Speaker 2: helping them with something that you know, like, it's not.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a situation where a student.
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  Speaker 7: Who's very confident necessarily so yeah, she's she's she's in
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  Speaker 7: a position of greater authority than just a regular teacher
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  Speaker 7: with a whole bunch of you know, in a class
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  Speaker 7: full of teenage boys.
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  Speaker 2: Hm, let's keep going, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, let me just check my time code here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're still setting it up.
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  Speaker 3: Headlines for many reasons. First of all, she's very attractive,
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  Speaker 3: so she.
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  Speaker 1: Made headlines in part because she's attractive. This is what
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  Speaker 1: That's what this woman is saying.
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  Speaker 3: She knows it.
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  Speaker 2: That's why she made headlines.
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  Speaker 1: Well a lot. That's one of the reasons. Let me,
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  Speaker 1: let me, let's let's try to be charitable. Let's listen
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  Speaker 1: to this again.
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  Speaker 3: Where for Melo is a special education teacher and coach.
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  Speaker 3: For Mela's case made national headlines for many reasons. First
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  Speaker 3: of all, she's very attractive, and she knows it. Police
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  Speaker 3: said that she told them that people try to get
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  Speaker 3: her into trouble because she's good looking. For Mela had
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  Speaker 3: been married for less than a year when she was
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  Speaker 3: arrested and charged with sexually abusing that male student. She
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  Speaker 3: has a good looking husband, a house, in the suburb.
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  Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, wait where she was arrested and charged. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: let's look at the first of all.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm hoping this is slightly snide the way that they're
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  Speaker 2: approaching this by saying, oh, well, she got arrested. She
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  Speaker 2: says she got arrested because she's good looking.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, I don't This woman who's covering the story
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  Speaker 1: is not putting her like trying to frame her as
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  Speaker 1: a victim or anything. I don't think. But she is
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  Speaker 1: trying to be a little bit sensationalist because she's doing
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  Speaker 1: a news thing. So there's a little bit of this,
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  Speaker 1: like she's putting a little sizzle on it. But I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that I've watched this thing like three times,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think she's siding with her. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: not necessary considering that there are people directly involved with
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  Speaker 1: this case that are going to say some stuff that's
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  Speaker 1: pretty upsetting. So like, I wouldn't worry about the hosts
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  Speaker 1: of the show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not assume this is snob I'm actually making I'm
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  Speaker 2: just making a point about what the the purp the
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  Speaker 2: alleged purpose she's been persecuted for being so attractive.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to see the body cam segment he
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  Speaker 1: gets like pulled over.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure, all right, Well, I was just gonna say
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  Speaker 2: that's that's what happens that you know, people who are
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  Speaker 2: really attractive are more likely to be persecuted. And oh man,
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  Speaker 2: sounds like a freaking narcissist, which incidentally is often who
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  Speaker 2: prays on young and vulnerable people. Narcissists and social paths, well,
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  Speaker 2: social paths no more like narcissists. Especially women like vulnerable
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  Speaker 2: narcissists and convince themselves they're a victim of how attractive
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  Speaker 2: this young person was. I wonder if that will come up,
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  Speaker 2: because I haven't actually watched this whole thing. I've only
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  Speaker 2: engage parts of the scripts.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I'm making a prediction.
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  Speaker 2: I'm making a prediction that she will say that it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't her fault. She was a victim of how attractive
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  Speaker 2: and or a sexually forward and or aggressive the boy was.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just making a prediction. But let's let's find it.
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  Speaker 2: Putting it there, put it on the bingo card.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see here's the here's the body cam footage.
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  Speaker 3: Go back to March sixteenth of twenty twenty five, when
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  Speaker 3: a Downers Grove police officer went to for Mela's home
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  Speaker 3: to pick her up after the teenage boy and his
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  Speaker 3: mom went to police and reported the abuse.
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  Speaker 1: He how you doing foster jav your license on you.
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  Speaker 7: To night?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm raised. I'm sure you're confused, oxplaining.
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  Speaker 4: Thing to your door.
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  Speaker 3: Christina.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Christange, you my favorite. Can you step on the
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  Speaker 4: car for me.
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  Speaker 1: I know your confuse.
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  Speaker 4: Explain everything to you.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have anything on you just you can.
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  Speaker 4: Grab whatever you need.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever I need.
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  Speaker 1: It is going somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: It's bad that I have just a visceral reaction to
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  Speaker 2: women doing this, Like.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: She's yeah, I cannot believe that you would arrest me
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  Speaker 2: for what I did to that boy. That he should
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  Speaker 2: be so grateful for.
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  Speaker 7: God.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's keep all right.
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  Speaker 8: Uh so, yeah, we'll play a little bit more of
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  Speaker 8: this happening because the mother of the boy Formula is
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  Speaker 8: accused of having sex with went to police after the
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  Speaker 8: state attorney said she found text messages between her son
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  Speaker 8: and Formla on his phone.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to give her this all right. It
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  Speaker 2: is YouTube. So the R word is verboten for channels
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  Speaker 2: who don't want to be demonetized and uh and and
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  Speaker 2: throttled by the algorith them. But what this woman did
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  Speaker 2: was not have sex with a fourteen year old boy.
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  Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: He did the R word with the fourteen year old boy.
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  Speaker 2: He's a fourteen year old boy, particularly one who's special needs.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe it's not a intellectual impairment, maybe it's a
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  Speaker 2: learning impairment, but that still means he's more isolated from
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  Speaker 2: the student body, he's more dependent on his teacher. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is this is this is not good. This is
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  Speaker 2: an abusive authority, a real abusive authority, not just I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, a temp teacher in university having a relationship
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  Speaker 2: with the sophomore you know, like you know what I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking about. He likes like a twenty six year old
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  Speaker 2: dude having a relationship with a twenty one year old
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  Speaker 2: woman in university. This is completely freaking different. Or let's
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  Speaker 2: keep going, all right.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a shock at all that the mother reports
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  Speaker 3: it to police, but Christina appears shocked when police approach her.
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  Speaker 3: Now back to the video.
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  Speaker 4: There, I get you can go your thanks.
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  Speaker 1: Her husband is in the passenger side. He doesn't know
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  Speaker 1: anything about this. So he's just like, what is going on?
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  Speaker 4: Can you come with me?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, you stayed there right now there to stay there,
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  Speaker 4: but yes you can come on back here.
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  Speaker 2: Try to shut the car as Oh yeah, yeah, go ahead, that's.
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  Speaker 1: What you're gonna try and hit him, I mean escape withdraw.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say we should probably do a brief
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  Speaker 2: update at some point about that situation. We could, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: considering how much crap I got in comments over it.
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  Speaker 1: You'll keep getting crap regardless. But okay, okay, story back
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  Speaker 1: up here.
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  Speaker 4: So we do have an investigation going on. We have
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  Speaker 4: to talk to you about it.
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  Speaker 1: At the police department.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, do there. It's not my investigation. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: the full details, but you have to bring you there though. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: So I get to pitching handcuffs and bring it to
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  Speaker 4: the police department. Just yes, unfortunately, yes, I'm willing to
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  Speaker 4: go with it.
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  Speaker 8: I get it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Unfortunately, we have to do it that way to
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  Speaker 4: do you a favor.
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  Speaker 1: Just take this off there.
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  Speaker 2: So, hm, you're so polite. Yeah, it's like they're so gracious.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, I I'm sorry, but you will have to
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  Speaker 2: be escorted with by handcuffs.
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  Speaker 1: Well I'll give her this much. She is complying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 4: So there you go, yeah, as you of course, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's not like I said that. My investigation obviously, we
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  Speaker 4: pray here for a reason to go ahead and turn
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  Speaker 4: her off for me. So right now being detained and
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  Speaker 4: there is that needs to talk to you at the
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  Speaker 4: police department.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So where's.
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  Speaker 1: Parking a lot Batman you need when you need him?
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  Speaker 2: It would be great parking a lot Batman just popped
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  Speaker 2: out of that bush over there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was saying that she's really putting it on,
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  Speaker 2: and it's got that quality if you know that she's
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  Speaker 2: putting it on this this Innocents Act. And also the
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  Speaker 2: fact that they came right out and arrested her like this,
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  Speaker 2: the evidence must be pretty pretty strong.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the woman talking that was Doon this report, the
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  Speaker 1: host of this of this video, said that it was
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  Speaker 1: the child's mother who found text messages and contacted police.
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  Speaker 1: So they have the text messages, which we're going to
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  Speaker 1: see later on in this video, and the I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: betting that the cops that came to get her probably
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  Speaker 1: don't know all the details because it's an investigation. They
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  Speaker 1: needed to get her, but they're probably like, let's keep
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  Speaker 1: this comp you know, confidential for the most part, right,
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  Speaker 1: So they probably legit don't know what she's in for.
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  Speaker 1: They just like go get her, you know, And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe they did, but I mean that's that's
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  Speaker 1: what I would think, So all right, anyway, so yeah
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  Speaker 1: they are let's just keep going.
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  Speaker 4: So we'll let it to your husband. No, he can
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  Speaker 4: just come to the placetarmer as well if he wants
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  Speaker 4: to wait for you there.
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  Speaker 1: I muted it because he probably said his name or
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  Speaker 1: some address or something that would docs you know, in
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  Speaker 1: a sense involved.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm like, you had a lot of questions.
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  Speaker 2: You're so scared.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's scared, she said, So.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's scared for you, is it? Well, I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: you are scared because you've been found out. I'm so
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  Speaker 2: scared of the consequences that I have amply deserved. I'm
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  Speaker 2: so squared of them. The reason. Okay, I shouldn't be.
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  Speaker 2: This is really dark. I apologize, guys, but this is
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  Speaker 2: this is the most low energy effort at damseling I've
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  Speaker 2: ever seen. It's like, you know what I mean, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: It's like she's not making much of an effort. I
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  Speaker 2: cannot really give her over a three out of ten
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  Speaker 2: for this damseling. She just needs to I think she
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  Speaker 2: needs to step it up. There needs to be more
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  Speaker 2: falling over, fainting, crying, gnawing of ankles, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Just just kick it up and notch anyway,
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  Speaker 2: don't because I don't want these police to have a
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  Speaker 2: worse day. But Lea, just keep.
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  Speaker 1: Going, all right.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing else on your pocket right now or anything else.
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  Speaker 4: It's your phone, yeah, okay, okay, sitting back in this
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  Speaker 4: car on the other side. Once you get to the
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  Speaker 4: police department, you'll talk to the detective. In the hostline, efants, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But you can't even give me like an idea what.
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  Speaker 7: This is about that right now?
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: I wish I could tell you more. Is he coming
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  Speaker 4: with me?
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  Speaker 1: We'll let him know right now. And now we wait.
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  Speaker 1: I have a rumble rant from Nova Fan twenty one
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  Speaker 1: gives the dollar and says, as the saying goes, it's
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  Speaker 1: afraid thank you, all right, So he sort of sits
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  Speaker 1: there and stews, I'm gonna move on to the next bait.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get into the actual text messages. So
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  Speaker 1: what is the deal?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the deal. Why is this woman arrested?
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  Speaker 1: Why is the deal here?
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  Speaker 2: Why did the police nation attack?
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I'm.
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  Speaker 4: So lost right now, I'm talking about prost right now,
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  Speaker 4: You're main thing, investigation.
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  Speaker 3: Bring once you get your police drove FORMLA to the
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  Speaker 3: police station. Detectives questioned her there. And remember I told
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  Speaker 3: you this all started when that teenage boy's mom saw
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  Speaker 3: text messages between her son and Formla. The state attorney said.
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  Speaker 3: The woman was setting up her son's new iPhone when
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  Speaker 3: she found the tawdry texts between the two of them.
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  Speaker 3: One was between her son and an unknown number.
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  Speaker 1: The prosecutor all right, so now they're going to get
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  Speaker 1: into the text messages. Okay, yeah, all right, this this
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  Speaker 1: is this is a little bit sensitive and it's it's
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  Speaker 1: very lascivious. Is that the word I want? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Peter said that the woman's son wrote in one of
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  Speaker 3: the texts, I love you so so much, mama, and
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  Speaker 3: the unknown number texted back, I love you so much baby.
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  Speaker 3: Even though this morning was short, it was perfect. The
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  Speaker 3: teen messaged back, I know, baby, it was perfect, baby,
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  Speaker 3: so perfect. The unknown number then texted back, I love
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  Speaker 3: having sex with you, and the teen responded, I know, baby,
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  Speaker 3: I love it so much. It feels so good, it's
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  Speaker 3: so passionate, it's so intimate, it's so perfect. Now I
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  Speaker 3: can only imagine what that mother was thinking when she
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  Speaker 3: read these text messages. So mom is likely livid and
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  Speaker 3: she marches her son down to the down livid.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, hmm yeah, she marches her son down
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: to the down as Grove PD. I don't know if
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the sun is in trouble too. I'm not really sure
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: about that because the mom might he might be in
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: trouble with her. I don't know, but let's keep going.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: There's more mm hmm.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: P for Mela's detention from March to twenty twenty five stated,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: according to the teen, he and defendant had developed feelings
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: for each other. The teen said that one morning in
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: December twenty twenty three, before school, he had met up
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: with the defendant in her classroom. The teen said that
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: defendant had closed her door, which automatically locked, that they
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: had started kissing, that he had grabbed her butt and
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: she had grabbed his private parts over the clothes, that
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: she had removed his pants and underwear, that they had
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: removed her leggings and that they had engaged in sexual
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: intercourse while standing up as police drove Christmas.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: All that escalated. Yeah, right, you have a bunch of
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: kids that you're supposed to be taking care of and
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: then you do this.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: All right, all right, the police department. You can kind
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: of see the wheels turning in her head. What could
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: this be about? And why am I in handcuffs in
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: the back of the car.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: She knows why she's there.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: She will become important later. Prosecutors say. Christina Formela denied
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: having sex with the teenage boy when detectives interviewed her,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: and they said that she claimed that everyone comes after
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: her because she's good looking. The state's attorney said that
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Formela also told them that she just cared too much
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: about this teenage boy when detectives confronted for Mela about
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: notes she had written in her iPhone.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: All right, so this is her, She's trying to make
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: her defense. She I just care so much. I care
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: so much. I'm not laughing at the situation. I just,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: you know, I kind of want to make a joke
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: about it, but I'm not going to. But this is
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: her her.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: What you can make a joke at her expense.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Well, it wouldn't really be at anyone's expense to be
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: laughing at the situation. But but I'm not gonna do
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: It's okay, so let's let's see what. Let's keep going here.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Prosecutors said she claimed they were an outlet for her
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: anxiety brought on by this teenage boy. Now here's one
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: of the passages. The detectives said they found in Formala's
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Well wait.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, wait wait wait, was I just vindicated
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: my prediction.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Let's let's go back.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Consecutor said she claimed they were an outlet for her.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: The message is, I think, is what they're saying. We're
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: outlet for her anxiety. Okay, let's keep going for.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Mela about notes she had written in her iPhone.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Notes she wrote in her iPhone. That's what it was,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: that's what and she's saying they were ways of dealing
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: with her anxiety.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Prosecutors anxiety they were an outlet for her anxiety brought
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: on by this teenage boy. Now here's one of the passages.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Also, she's basically an adolescence, right, she was afraid of
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: the boy. Therefore, how could she possibly be responsible for
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: aping him. I can't do the hard ared, bye, guys,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: but I'll let you guys. Just didn't just add in
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: the hard R.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: So I actually had an argument on Twitter with a
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: feminist about just this thing, and she had watched adolescents
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: and I had shown some of the statistics around sexual
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: abuse of boys by women, and she said, well, I
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: watched adolescents. Therefore I don't see how a boy could
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: be raped by an adult woman. They women are afraid
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: of boys.
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: Mm hmmm.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Because of adolescence. So literally, adolescence has become an excuse
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: for women sexually assaulting boys because boys make them afraid.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: That's what. So this this boy is causing her anxiety.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: That's why she has these notes, these presumably very explicit
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: notes in her iPhone. But do you see how she's
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: moving it so that, yeah, he's the he's the potential threat.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I really.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: This is one of the things that discussed me most
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: so female criminals is they, at least male criminals sort
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: of own it to a degree. They don't start this
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: whole rigmar role about how they're threatened by their victims,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: but female criminals do. And it's despicable. Okay, all right,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: found in.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: For Mella's phone. I'm not upset, I'm not mad, I'm
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: not any of that. I've just lost interest. I went
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: back and screenshotted every single time that I said we
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: should break up until after the wedding and after you graduated,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: and every single effing time you can what convinced me
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: it would be fine.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so she says, I went back and screen tryed
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: to every single So this is like a note to
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: the boy, I think, And I said that we should
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: break up until after the wedding and after you graduated,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and every single effing time you came back and convinced
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: me it would be fine. So now she's basically saying
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: that this guy, this boy is like in the driver's seat, essentially,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: like he's got control over the relationship. That's what it
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: seems like.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's she's playing the victims as you do if
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: you're a female predator. Why not people will buy it.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're doing this to me, right, and yeah kind
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: of gross, Like wait until you graduate and after the wedding,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: like her wedding. Maybe I don't know, but she's already married.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: She's married. Yeah she got married, Yeah, she got married
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: after this, These are old text messages.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, started grooming him.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Before she got married, Yes, when he.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Was for she got married. So she was having sex
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: with this kid, raping this kid in the lead up
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: to her marriage and then after and then apparently what
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: happened was, of course she lost interest, right, you know,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: maybe he was moving from that perfect you know, porpoise
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: fourteen with no actual like strong masculine features, and now
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: he's moving into sixteen, getting a little old for her,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: no doubt, a little old. You know. She can't handle that.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: So she lost interest. And of course he thought because
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: she said this was some kind of love affair. I
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: think she said that she fell in love with him.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: She probably said that to him too, So he's like, well,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: why aren't we still going? God, this is sick. Yeah,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: because you got old kid. She hadn't interested in you anymore.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: You turned sixteen, you got old.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Good lord, Okay, every single breakup, only for you to
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: end things saying you couldn't get over it. You ruined us.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: I warned you we should have never started dating a long, long,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: long effing time ago, and you gas lit me and
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: convinced me it was fine every single time, because that's.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Who you are. What the fuck is this here? Nonsense? Okay,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to find a logical through line.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: She's blaming him for the situation. She's saying that he
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: did this to her, this teenage boy gas lit her
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and he was controlling.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: But but here, I initiated every single breakup only for
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: you to end things saying you couldn't get over it. What.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I guess broke the broke, like ended the
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: breakup or canceled the breakup.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: And no end things would be the relationship. So she's
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: saying she initiated every single breakup only for you to
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: end things saying you couldn't get over it. Oh you
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: mean maybe she said she saying that he would end
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: the breakup.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, maybe that's where my confusion is. This just
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: sounds like a whole bunch of narcissistic ranting. Let's be honest,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: we will never ever be again a d together again.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not a second.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Chance, a second choice.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: A second choice. What I'm not a second choice?
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm you'll ever have he's still reading that.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I can just play it, okay.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: All right, second choice. I'm the best thing you'll ever have,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: even with all of my mistakes, you once again waited
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: and strung me along until it was convenient for you.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: It broke me leat Wait wait, wait, how is he
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: stringing her along? If she's breaking up? Do you see
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: how she's contradicting yourself over and over again? And this
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: fucking narcissistic spiel. Right, I'm the best thing you'll ever have,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: even with all my mistakes, you once again waited and
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: strung me along until it was convenient for you. He's sixteen.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: But what do you think he's doing? Like what he's
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: blowing you off for his stable of holsteam models, Like.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: He's begging, he'sing you. He's spinning plates, Allison, He's spinning plates,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and she's just not one of those plates.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not willing to be one of those plates.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: And he could Could you imagine this in like the
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Lolita book, Like if Humperdink said something like this, Just
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: what a bunch of gas lighting bullshit? Okay, keep going,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: all right?
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: It changed me. I'm not sad. I'm effing mad that
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: I let a sixteen year old f word with me
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: like that. And I made a promise to myself that
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I will never let any guy f word with me
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: like that again.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait a second, Wait a second. This is a
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: screed from a woman who's having sex with the special
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: needs groom to special needs child from fourteen to sixteen,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: had a relationship from fourteen to sixteen, subsequently got married,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: presumably to a man who's of age one would. Yeah,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: and she's the one thing you are screwing with me.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: You're stringing me along a right, like she's the one
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: saying all this. I think she's an unreliable.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Narrator to herself, Like these are her messages to this kid.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's obviously the one I think that's engaged
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: in gaslighting.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that we
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: cannot rely upon this woman's account of the events that
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: preceded that prior to her arrest. I don't think she's reliable,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: reliable witness to the events that she was part of. Okay,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: let's all right.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Unbelievably section in formula so called memoir entitled Manifestations that
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: read the teen is going to reach out me soon
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: and try to fix things between us. In the meantime,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I'm going to live my best life, knowing he's not
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: the person I thought he was and that he is
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: beneath me.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Oh god.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: So she's already like what what is it like? Uh,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: waiting to exhale like these movies where the woman breaks
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: up with the guy and frees herself from from an
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: underage boy by the way, all right, yeah, from.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Her underage victim. Like, I mean, this is this is
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: a new level. This is a new level of predatory. Uh.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I know it's not epiphilia, predatory sexual behavior towards underage children.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Like this is because she's she's cast him in this
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: this eat Eat Love prey freaking psychodrama in her head.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: But I like how she's manifesting things, right, She's she's
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: doing them. This is what this is. This is this
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: is a this is a note of manifestation.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, a memoir called manifestations.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: So all right, yeah, but she's trying to say that
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: this is what she wants to have happen, and that's
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: that's what the manifestation thing is. Like you sometimes all
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: these single women and they're like, I'm manifesting so hard,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: when is it going to happen for me? And manifesting
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: is just thinking, Oh, this is what I want. This
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: is what I want.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: You make it.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Not even there are hoping wishing upon this, not even
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: wishing upon a star, just wishing in their own heads, like, Oh,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I really want this to happen, And because I really
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: want it to happen, it's going to happen. And in
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: this case, he's she is manifesting that he comes back
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: to her. This poor kid's trying to drag his life
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: away from this woman, and she is casting it as
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: some kind of horrible thing that he's doing to her. Oh,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: of course, she would write, she's a predator. Let's go continue.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Police said they found another note in Formula's phone from
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: November twenty twenty four that read, the teen and I
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: will connect again soon in a positive way.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: We will both get the.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Closure we need in order to move on in a
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: healthy way. We will be able to be a part
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: of each other's lives forever. We will be in each
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: other's lives forever. We will be able to love each
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: other while also living our own lives. As detectives question.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Well, she's got a date other teens, he's getting a
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: little old. Well, it's not me, it's you. I need
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: to find myself another fourteen year old you've aged out? Sorry?
• 32:40
  Speaker 9: No, all right, next going to jail.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I'm plete, sir, you have down there. I'm sure you
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: don't want to tissue or something. Sean, you grab much
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: bag on there? Can you get like a why?
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: What?
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Well? I love the lizard eyes right now here? You
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: see that like doing the side eye? Is this working? Goddamn?
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Do we have any of those emsis bags?
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: Like going around the spot?
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: I becure there was something better than Christina Fermella says
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: she fears that she may throw up. She's been interviewed
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: by police, and according to the records that I mentioned,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: it did not go well for her. As she sits
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: in the back of the transport vehicle, the gravity of
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: this situation hits her.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: She's just crying for herself. Is there something she does
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: or she she just freaking cry?
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: Uh?
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she cries for a while. Basically, it's she's realizing
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: her life is over. So I think there's see I
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: will there's more after this. I think that we're gonna
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: get to something else.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: What What the fuck are the consequences of my actions?
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't see that coming. I just raped a kid.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: What the hell? Why am I persecuted? Something's coming, something's happening.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Because she's getting her bag.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Here, you go.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Tell him we're here if you need all right, super
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: polite police.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, gets comfortable for the ride to the jail, and
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: it seems to take a while. Eventually she calms down
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: and stops crying, and the next day a judge allowed
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: her to be released over the objections of prosecutors, but
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: she was ordered to not have any contact with the victim.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: For melo.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Jeez, m m, that's quite the So she went free
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: on bail, but she can't have contact with the victim.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Did they even stop her from going to work?
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I assume she got fired.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I hope.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think they actually go into that.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: So yeah, you never know. I mean she might still
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: be working there, who knows.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, yeah, I think that her trial is like
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: this month, so let's keep going.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: We'll see if she even gets any time to.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Be in shambles. Then came a hearing in June of
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, where prosecutors announced a grand jury indictment
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: charging her with more than fifty new felonies, including sexual assault,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: grooming and indecent solicitation of a child, and the sexual encounters,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: according to prosecutors, were not a one time thing, and
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: they claimed the grooming started when that boy was fourteen.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Assistant State's Attorney Jacqueline mc andrew said during the hearing
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: they had sex so many times that the teen was
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: able to describe the marks on the defendant's right butt cheek,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: on her chest, and in the middle of her back.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: And again the defense attaches to its response this arrest
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: card and says, well, the police didn't note any tattoos,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: and here the boy says, well, she does have a tattoo.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: So yeah, they had a lot of sex frequently. But
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: we're going to get into we're going to keep there's
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: a little bit more left on this timecode. I just
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: want to make sure that we don't miss anything. Fourteen
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: thirty six. Yeah, it's like twenty seconds.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Andrew said during the hearing that there were at least
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: forty five sexual encounters, some at the school and some
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: at Formula's home. The text messages are laid out in
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: the petition and I'm not going to rehash them. I
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: know your honor has had an opportunity to review those,
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: but there are text messages dated November six of twenty
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: twenty three at eight forty five pm on a Monday,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: and in those text messages they discussed the fact that
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: a teacher almost walked in on them.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Mick, uh yeah, so lovely. Yeah, well fifteen seconds. Hold on,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: there's a little bit more.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Andrew continued. This defendant continued to abuse the teenage boy
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: despite the fact that in the midst of this, apparently
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: the defendant's own neighbor had gotten caught doing the exact
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: same thing she was doing, which was sexually abusing a
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: high school student. And there are text messages between the
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: defendant and the boy did in November fourth of twenty
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: twenty three.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: So the defendant, the woman has a neighbor who was
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: doing the exact same thing, like another female I assume teacher.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Well, uh, we don't know that.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Well, this is what these are the This is like
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: one of the notes.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Well, it's amazing that you could you could have like
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: two women and one neighbor, or potentially two women.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well yeah, we don't know for sure, but I
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: think I think so.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Anyway, Yeah, she talks about how she's scared because she
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: just learned that her neighbor had gotten caught, so she
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: knew what she was doing was wrong, but none of
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: these close calls deterred her.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Mick Andrew, all right, there's more of this stuff, but
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: we can like move on to something else less you
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: want to get through the rest of these the fifteen
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: thirty three, I mean, there is a little bit more
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: in this one. Hold on, let's play the rest of this.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Said, so, the fact that the defendant coached on Thursdays
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean that they didn't have sex, because she abused
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: him during school hours, not after school, during the school day,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: and it was confirmed by police that Thursdays were block
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: days at Downers Grove South, so that corroborates the teen's statement.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: And again that explains why this defendant selected Thursdays to
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: be the day that she lured the teen into her
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: home to sexually abuse him. And again, she did this
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: even after one of her neighbors had seen the teen
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: walking through the defendant's backyard and had confronted the defendant
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: about it. This was even after the defendant's own husband
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: unexpectedly arrived home one Thursday morning. That didn't stop the defendant. Now,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: during the hearing, Prosecutors were asking that Christina Formela be
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: detained in jail until her trial, but the judge denied
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: the request, instead placing strict restrictions on FORMLA like GPS monitoring,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: limiting where she could travel, and monitoring her electronic devices.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Last year, Christina Formela's family issued the following I.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Need to stop it. Yeah, so uh there you go
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: already starting with the female sentencing disaccount.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Mm hm, I'm just gonna go home.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: What I'm just gonna quickly see if this is something
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: that is like a h I'm just gonna see if
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: this is a situation where she did get indeed get
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: a sentencing discount unbelievable and I know that this is
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: this is the We're about to get to the cherry
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: on the ship sit ship Sunday. Okay, So a man
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: charged with the same pattern of conduct get bail, but
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: in practice, men in comparable teachers student cases are more
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: likely to be detained or face higher stricter bond condition
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: than she has. What happened in her case, prosecutors asked
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: that she be detained pre trial. The judge instead allowed
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: release with conditions like GPS monitoring and restrictions on contact
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: with miners and movement. Wow, you know at least they
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: did that. Huh, guys. She has remained out on bond
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: while the case moves through courts. How similar mail cases
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: are usually handled, and many male teachers student cases with
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: repeated assaults or grooming. Judges often set significant cash bonds
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: and sometimes grant prosecution requests for detention, citing danger to
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: the community or risk of reoffending. Even with when bail
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: is granted, conditions for male defendants are often stricter and
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: amounts higher, especially where there are numerous courts. Clear grooming,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: and multiple locations school at home, all features present present
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: in this case. So while it is not impossible that
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: a man in her shoes would also get bail, there
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: is a strong defensible argument that a man, a male
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: teacher with fifty plus felony counts for repeated abuse of
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: a teen would face a tougher pre trial detention decision
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: than she has so far. Is anybody surprised here? I
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: mean you could you could knock me over with a
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: feather of how not surprised I am? That is? She
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: is getting the absolute kid glove treatment. I mean, I
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: don't know how much better she could be treated the
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: police revenge. Oh yeah, I guess you're right. It could
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: be worse. It could be worse. And then and then
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: what's really galling about all this is feminists will look
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: at a like a case like brock Turner, right, and
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: they'll be like, oh my god, that's what men get
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: when men are never held to I'm like, brock Turner
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: got a sentence that a woman would get. In fact,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: he didn't even get a sentence that a woman would get,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: because if he had been a woman doing exactly the
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: same things, the case probably would never have gone to trial,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: and in fact, he likely would have a very upstanding
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: feminist comedian career. Because there is a female brock Turner.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: It's Amy Schumer, and in her stand up routines she
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: describes almost exactly what brock what happened with the brock
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Turner incident, and apparently to great laughs, and actually her
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: situation was even more sexually exploitedive, so you know, that's
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: that's how it goes. But they use that as evidence
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: that women are more orn. Men get off, they get
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: off scot free. So when a man gets a gets
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: a sentence that a woman would get, there that's evidence
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: of patriarchy. Astounding, isn't it all right? Let's keep going?
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: All right, let me just check make sure I'm on
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: the Yeah, this, this is the next time.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Thing support of her. The public shaming of women accused
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: of sexual misconduct reflects, d do you think you need
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: to go?
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: No, this is this is the this is the money
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: shot right here.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're at this is.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: This is the money shot. This is the big the
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: big argument.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you put it on, all right.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: He issued the following statement and support of her. The
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: public shaming of women accused of sexual misconduct reflects deeply
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: embedded patterns of misogyny that have persisted across generations. Christina
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: has become the latest target of this troubling phenomenon, subjected
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: to relentless personal attacks and sexist scrutiny that ignore the
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: legal process entirely. Major platforms have chosen character assassination overdue process,
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: deploying this same misogynistic playbook used against countless women before her.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Who've also sexually abused minors. This is one hell of
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: an astounding statement to make, isn't it like? It's just
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: like they're like, yeah, we reject reality and substitute our own.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: What exactly how has she been publicly shamed and why
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: shouldn't she be publicly shamed? That's the other question.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Well the yeah, so, I mean, like they said early on,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: like heard this story made the headlines, and it's I
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: mean a lot of these stories of teachers raping their
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: students make they at least they become news. So like
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: you know, you'll find a lot of them in the
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: daily mail and stuff. We cover them all the time
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: on the New show. So this family is just coping.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: They're just like, oh, this must be sexism somehow, So
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: that's what they're trying to deploy, deploy the sexist allegations.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: But I mean circle the wagons.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is even it isn't even alleged with
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: this much evidence.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Uh well, I mean because there hasn't been you know,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: like a conviction yet. It's just like it's still being
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: it's still going through the process. But I mean it
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: doesn't look good for her, you know, it doesn't look.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: But anyway, well, I mean she's a female sexu defender.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe she'll do like the three three months community time
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: at the end. Yeah, you don't have to register as
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: a sex offender and she can do her community time
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: and like a you know, like a boys swimming club.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: There you go, that's exactly the kind of justice that
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: she needs. And then she should get a bouquet of
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: flowers and a lifetime supply to I don't know, valetides chocolate.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: That's how we should treat our female sexual predators. Anything
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: less is patriarchy. Okay, ye, all right before her.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: The double standard is stark and undeniable. When men face accusations,
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: we discuss evidence and procedure. When women face accusations, we
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: attack their character, their choices, and their worth as human beings.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: This isn't justice, It's just persecution disguised as accountability.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Why I need Twilight Home Twilight Zone music for that?
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Because this is like the inverse of reality? Are you
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: kidding me? Like went brock Turner? Did we Did we
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: discuss evidence of procedure or was there just like a
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: mob of people standing around outside of his place?
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Me too didn't happen?
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: No, me too didn't. It was all men. It was
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: men doing that. We were all So many women lost
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: their jobs over me too because men.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were discussing evidence and procedure and due process
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: with all of those men accused right, that's that, you guys.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: You guys didn't We didn't just see we didn't see that.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: That didn't happen. What actually happened was a whole bunch
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: of women were being accused and their character was dragged
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: through mine, and they lost their jobs in their careers.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember when Harriet Weinstein was under investigation and
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: accused of about a bunch of stuff.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah remember Roberta.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, Wilhelmina krass Cosby, Yeah, all those allegations her
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: and all.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: The women who basically were accused of just being slightly awkward.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: We attacked their character, their choices, and their worth. Okay,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: but here's the thing they're saying. When women face accusations,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: specifically this woman, we attacked their character, their choices, and
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: their worth as human beings. Okay, now it's looking pretty
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: bad for her, So I would say that she has
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: really shitty character. Her choices, I don't even want to
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: call them subpar. They are predatory and monstrous. And her
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: worth I don't know. I don't find the worst of
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: people who sexually prey on miners like fourteen year olds.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I don't find their worth to be very high, like
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: they're trying to make they're trying to make this wrong.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Are we supposed to Are we supposed to regard her
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: as having a superlative character, as seeing her choices as excellent,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: and that her worth has been enhanced by her raping
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: a fourteen year old boy, raping and grooming a fourteen
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: year old boy. Are we supposed to Are we supposed
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: to say, Oh, it's horrible to judge her character, her choices,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: and her worth right here, that's what they're saying. They're saying,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: how dare you? How dare who are you? And they
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: don't actually say anything like she didn't do it and
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: we stand by her. No. And this is the thing,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: this is what guilty people do often, and this is
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: why people can't tell the difference Often between somebody who's
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: guilty and innocent. Innocent people will attack the accusation, but
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: that makes them seem guilty to other people. So somebody
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: who's innocent will say I didn't do that, and people
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: will think, wow, that's obvious evidence that their guilt. This's
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: freaking weird the way the human mind works. But if
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: the person attacks the accusation, they seem less guilty, less defensive.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: That's what they're doing here, But notice where they're noticing
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: all of this statement? What isn't in this statement she's innocent?
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure was there anything saying she didn't do
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: these things? Was there a single statement in here this
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: was like, she didn't do it, she's innocent, we stand
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: by her, and we wait for her exoneration. Was that
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: in the statement anywhere?
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Did you go back a little bit, maybe see a
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: little bit to where.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: To the beginning of the statement. Let's the other part
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: of the statement. I want to just double check the
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: public shaming of women accused of sexually Okay, maybe this
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: is just a segment of the statement.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Shame women who engage in sexual misconduct though.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Like, yes, okay, all right, Yes.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Women shouldn't be shamed for anything.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: Ever.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, we should shame women for rape, we should shame
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: them for grooming children, we should shame them for sexual abuse.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: And the other thing that I would like people to
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: shame women for is for repeatedly and falsely pretending that
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: sexual abuse and sexual crimes are a male only problem.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Now I'm alone in shaming women for that, but it'd
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: be nice if people would start doing that as well.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: But yes, we should be shaming this woman. If she
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: did this, which it's looking very strongly like she did.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: She hasn't. I don't know if she's entered a plea yet.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Let me just check.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Did she has pled? Not guilty, but we got to
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: get to the end of that.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's go then, all right.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: So next they're eighteen. I want to get after this
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: because there's something else.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: And they're worth as human beings. This isn't justice, it's
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: gender based persecution disguised as accountability. The spokesperson for Formla's
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: family painted for Mela as a victim, saying she's not
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: being covered and accused the media of stalking and hunting her.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: She's tracked, surveiled, photographed, and followed everywhere she goes. So
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: called content creators have crossed state lines to stare at
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: her in court. And more disturbingly, what chroached her directly.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Crossing state lines? Oh no, it was one of them,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse. Did he go with a fully automatic camera
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: to take pictures of her?
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: They're essentially reporting on this case, which is probably being
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: like the proceedings are public.
• 53:22
  Speaker 10: Remember this, this is her, but this is her defense attorney,
• 53:27
  Speaker 10: this is the representative. I think, okay, spokesperson for the family,
• 53:32
  Speaker 10: but they have like they have to they I think
• 53:35
  Speaker 10: that they got somebody to do whatever they could to
• 53:38
  Speaker 10: like paint her in as good a light as possible,
• 53:41
  Speaker 10: and this is all they have.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: This is not Stocking. Going to a public courtroom to
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: watch the proceedings and then going up to her afterwards
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: and talking to her is not Stocking. They've even followed
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: her into church. She goes to church. Oh boy, I
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: love that.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: That's nice touch guys, touching on that they follow her
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: to church where she was feeding the homeless. You should
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: like play that up, you know, like but saying she's
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: like the soup kitchen and there are people harassing her
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: when she's trying to like serve the community. You should
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: like really lean into all that, Like what else, what
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: else could she do?
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: So you don't have to produce her Why she's like
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: adopting puppies and there are people and they won't leave
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: her alone when she's just trying to take care of
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: like puppies. There was a dog that was hit by
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: a car and she brought it home.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: And.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: She's being stalked by the paparazzi. I'm just curious why
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: these people are just okay with this, like that her
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: church this is yeah, fine, no, that's okay. They don't
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: have a problem with her like just going to church.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Just they're just fine with it. I mean, I guess
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: they're waiting for umption. But here's the thing with the
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: statement from her family. In their statement, they emphasize that
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Christina is presumed innocent and her case will be decided
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: in a courtroom, not on a social media platform, and
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: demand fairness and respect for due process, saying that she's
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: presumed innocent. Right, that is deflecting. This is what liars do.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: They don't actually ever say, like if you say to you,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: if you ask to direct them, they try to reframe
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: what you're saying and answer a different question, which is
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: exactly what her family spokesperson is doing. Here is Christina innocent,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Christina is presumed innocent, and their case will be decided
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: in a courtroom. Like that's like, that doesn't sound really good.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: It sounds like it's a bunch of people who don't
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: think she did anything wrong except she did according to
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: the law. But you know the law is wrong. She's
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: really okay, I mean, fifty US counts of grooming and
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: sexually abusing a minor. What does that matter, especially one
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: of some miners a boy? I mean, after all, there's
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: some meriden somewhere who's saying I was Why didn't I
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: have teachers like that when I was his age? Which
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: means that it can't possibly be illegal, right, Like this
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: is this is something that she should just get a
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: free pass on it, because there are adult men who
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: fantasize about just this scenario, you know, and and just
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: forget about the all the women who sent love letters
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: to uh Wade Wilson and other uh serial killers and
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: rapists of women. Forget those women sending those love letters
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: to those types of criminals. That that doesn't mean that
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: women should be free, you know, it should be free
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: to actually have sexual engage in sexual crimes against women.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Oh god, I'm I'm I'm getting more and more into
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: this insane logic, and I need to just extract myself.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Okay, all right, I gotta read this rumble rant. Okay,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: So Noba thing gave us a earlier and he says, feminists,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: we need to stop slendering women. Me not doing what
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: that to women is why female predators are a thing. Yeah,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: somebody in the vertical chat said something I want to
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: read too. Logan Blackwood said, duty to society instead of
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: sexual freedom is considered old fashioned, but actually it's what
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: keeps insane degeneracy at what bay. I think women would
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: do away with all sexual ethics, age of consent, abortion restrictions,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: et cetera, as long as it gave them absolute freedom.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Oddly they wouldn't apply this liberalism to men's choices.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course not.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, because liberation this is the thing, This is like
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: the end What is the end point of female liberation?
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: We're like moving towards it and things are not getting better.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: So especially when there's no duties at all even discussed. Yeah,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: make a joke about that, because I said duty all right,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: what happens when.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: We liberate women and they hold up half the sky,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: So it happens when half the sky falls? I mean,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: this is what I want to ask those people who
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: are like chanting women hold ups half the sky, and
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: I'll just say, well, what happens if they drop it.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Away?
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: Walk away or abort it? Okay, let's keep going, all right.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: They followed her into church, violating the sanctity of worship
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: and terrorizing her family. This isn't journalism or accountability. It's
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: predatory behavior masquerading as public interest. When content creation becomes stalking,
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: We've crossed every ethical line that separates legitimate reporting from harassment.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Is very strange. Well, that that everybody's after this woman
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: like that's.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: She's being preyed on by predators. Oh, man, I wonder
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: if she knows what that's like. This is just like
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: I said, this is just like a pathetic attempt at
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: defending her, and it's just like falling apart, like it
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: has nothing on it.
• 58:56
  Speaker 10: Okay, keep going, Oh this.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: Is Christina has been splintered into internet caricatures. Predator, unfaithful wife, hypocrite.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: But wait, wait, wait.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Wait are none of those true?
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Are none of those true? Like I would say, yeah,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: we should wait for the trial. But look at the evidence, right,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: look at the text, even on her own phone. And
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: if there wasn't like a strong evidence that the police
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: probably wouldn't have arrested her. Okay, this is They don't
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: do it for nothing.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: The boy knows more details about her body than the
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: investigators did. Like he could he could tell you what
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: her ass cheek looks like because he's seen it so
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: many times. Sorry, that's just like I mean, I'm just
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: letting you know he knows has a tattoo where other
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: people did not know, which gives you an idea where
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: it might be.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm, I'm just And the thing is that they
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: don't like the damage that this does. You know, doesn't
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: show up for like years, but it is considerable. Like
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: if you look at the statistics, he's got an increased
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: likelihood of drug abuse, dropping out of school, suicide, ending
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: up homeless, having sexual difficulties, and in a very very
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: small number of cases, an increased likelihood of going on
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: to become an abuser of adult women. Like people don't
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: care about the other ones, but maybe they'll care about
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: that one. Right, So this is not insignificant. This is
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: this is a city. We protect kids from this situation
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: for a reason. All right, let's keep going.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: All right, let me just look at my time cardes again.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: So eight eighteen, it was a little bit more thirty.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: Seconds videos a month and racking up millions of views.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: The goal isn't truth, it's virality. Now trolls have turned
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: on Christina's friends, stalking them over pregnancies, publishing the address
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: of a wedding she was invited to, and encouraging strangers
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: to show up or targeting them simply for refusing to
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: denounce her. The intent is clear public pressure, social shaming,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: and isolation by mob demand, a coordinated campaign of bullying
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: that has nothing to do with justice.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, well do you want to know what? Do you
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: want to know what? Men accused of similar crimes they
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: get mob justice, they get.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I know why that guy, it was a man, he
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be going to a wedding to get harassed.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: No, he wouldn't be going to the wedding. He wouldn't
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: be going. Yeah, it's entirely possible, even a whole I
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: remember there was one mob that essentially sodomized a man
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: accused of a similar crime with a with a branch,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: and I think you might have killed them. Then there
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: was another kid in the UK. He was accused of something,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: falsely accused and he had the ever living crap beat
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: out of him by a mob. No, I think that
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: she can count herself lucky. And the fact that she's
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: comparing this to the situation for men is particularly egregious.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: First of all, I don't this is like, is this
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: actually happening or is this just what's alleged.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: This is what's alleged. These are claims made by her,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Like I said the spokesperson for the family, Well, we
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: don't know this is happening, but it doesn't matter because
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: it's all like very mild. Oh, there are people harassing her.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: So what, you raped a boy for like years, so
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: you're lucky. And they're probably doing that because a part
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: of them, I think if it's if it's happening, it's
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: possible that one of the reasons why they're doing it
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: because they are afraid that she's actually not gonna see
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: the justice that she deserves and so like, well let's
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: make her life at living hell.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So and the fact that you know, nobody around
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: her is taking still pretty mild and yeah, I just
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: want to say alleged. But you know, the evidence is
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: not looking good for her, which is what people are
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: responding to. And the fact that the judge, like the
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: thing is that if she was a man, she would
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: be in jail, and this would be a mood point, right,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: she'd be in jail or have a bail or have
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: house arrest. She wouldn't be going to church. She wouldn't
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: be going to friends' weddings. Do those friends are there
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: any Like? Uh, are there any kids there? I mean,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: is she even allowed to do that? I thought she
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: had to stay away from miners? Like what the is?
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Are there no miners at that church? What is she
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: doing at church? Okay? Wait a say, I just realized
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: something she is supposed to take stay away from minors?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Are there no miners at that church? Are there no
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: miners at that wedding? Like? Think about it?
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: What is like that?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Are no kids?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 7: No?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Not likely? But I think that she's not. From what
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: I remember when we watched. So far, she's only prevent
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: she's only restricted from from contact with the victim.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: No, not no, no, no, she's also restricted from content.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Let me just double check.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, double check was But at least at this point
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: in the video, this woman's giving us the recap. The
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: judge ruled that she could not have contact with the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: miner and that she was gonna have a GPS tracker
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: on her. So she probably doesn't go anywhere. And this
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: could just be like, you know, drama that they're constructing, Yeah,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: the entire victimhood. But I think it's I think if
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: I remember correctly. It wasn't that she couldn't be around
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: any children. It was just that she couldn't be around
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: that child.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Okay. So in their statement they emphasize okay, no wait wait, yes,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: her release conditions explicitly bar her from contact with minors.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: She judges ordered that she have no contact with the
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: alleged victim or anyone over eight and she just stay
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: under eighteen? Sorry under okay, So she's not supposed to
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: have contact with miners. Why is she at a church? Now?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: I guess it's plausible that the wedding has no miners
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: at it, But is it plausible that a church has
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: no kids? Like this is? Why is she going to
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: places where there are likely to be children? This is
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: the question I have, right why is she there in
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: the first place? And in fact, if you are a
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: contact producer who is allegedly stalking this woman, make sure
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: she's not going anywhere with miners, and be sure to
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: if she is, get a photo and send that to
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: to the you know, the parties involved in making sure
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: she doesn't violate her bond conditions or her bail conditions
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: like this. This is like if she is going to
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: churches and she's going to wedding, is just she know beforehand?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Is she able to control whether or not minors are
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: at these events? Because it sounds like she shouldn't be
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: going to them if she can't make sure there are
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: no miners there. You see what I'm saying, Brian m
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: h And I really have a strong doubt that the
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: church has no kids in it, and I'm not as
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: strong a doubt the wedding has no kids in it,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: or that somebody didn't bring their kids, or how would
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: she be able to control this? And Okay, maybe she
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be going to these events. Have you considered that
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: family of the accused that maybe she and maybe you
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have put out this statement indicating that she's going
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: to events that likely have miners at them when she's
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: not allowed around miners. Okay, mm hmm, all right, Uh, okay,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: keep going.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: This is grandizing listening for fairness, we are asking you
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: to respect due process like any person accused of a crime.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: Christina is presumed innocent.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Not even respecting your bail conditions.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: Room not on a social media platform. Reckless speculation, misinformation,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: and theatrical coverage do nothing to serve justice and set
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: hard won respect for women back decades.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: What for how do we get to women all of
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: a suddend?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: If you if you don't leave her alone, you're you're
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: going to take away.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Damage.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: That escalated very quickly. Guys.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how we got there.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: No, I don't know either, Okay, Okay.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: That has pleaded not guilty to all of the charges
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: that she faces. She's expected back in court in January,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: as prosecutors are working to get all of the discovery
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: turned over to her defense attorneys. It's not clear how
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: this case will be resolved at this point, whether it
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: will be through a trial or possibly a plea deal
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: of some sort.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 9: And that's so that's.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: The that's basically the end of it. That's the whole
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: that's the whole thing. So we don't know that's where
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: there's supposed to be something this month. I guess we'll
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: find out more when we find out more.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Right, that is uh, that is astounding, folks.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Yep, it is all right, wye.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: It kind of wild, kind of kind of crazy, just
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: but the just the the sheer audacity mm hmm, the
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: sheer audacity to claim this is astounding. All right, So
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: let's look at okay counterpoints? Let's counterpoints to this. Public
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: shaming of women is misogyny. The public shaming of women
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: accused of sexual misconducts reflects deeply embedded patterns of misogyny
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: that have persisted across generations. This is a case of
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: an adult teacher and a fourteen to sixteen year old
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: boy with alleged grooming, fifty plus encounters and a clear
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: power imbalance. Calling scrutiny misogyny erases the boy as a victim.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Would we call public outrage miss injury if a male
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: teacher were accused of doing this to a fourteen year
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: old girl? Or would we view coverage as basic protection
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: of children? And when we also actually be asking questions
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: why that man is gallivanting around weddings and church where
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: there are high probabilities of miners that he is not
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: legally supposed to be anywhere near? And would somebody who
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: is a spokesperson for that man describe him doing so?
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Let's these are just thought experiments for the viewer. I'll
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: leave it up to you. Guys, you think we we'd
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: be okay with that? Christina has become the latest target.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: This is again quoting their pr statement Christina has become
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: the latest target of this troubling phenomenon, subjected to relentless
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: personal attacks and sexist scrutiny that ignore the legal process entirely.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: So apparently women who are accused of sexual crimes against
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: miners are being subject to unfair scrutiny. She's not a
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: target in the abstract, then this is the thing Like this,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: the the misogyny nation didn't just suddenly come out of
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: nowhere and target her. She is a name defendant in
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: a criminal case, indicted on more than fifty felonies, including
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: sexual assault, grooming, and indecent solicitation. And believe me, she
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be charged if they didn't have good evidence. The boy, meanwhile,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: is not giving a name, a voice, or public advocate
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: or a public advocate. In this statement, the only relentless
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: focus the acknowledge is on the adult woman, not the
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: minor male victim. But he just disappears. And also, again
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: they didn't say she is innocent, They said she is
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: presumed innocent. That's weasel wording. That is, basically, when you're
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: being asked a direct question, you reframe it into another question.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: You can't answer that question, you reframe it in another question,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: and then you answer that one. It's classic. It's a
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: classic liar's tactic and also classic politicians tactic. I'll leave
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: it up as an exercise of the viewer. How much
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: those two overlap. Rubble standard is stark and undeniable. The
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: double standard is stark and undemiable. When men face the accusations,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: we discuss evidence and procedure. When women face accusations, we
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: attack their character, their choices, and their worthless human beings.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: This isn't justice, it's gender based prosecution disguised as accountability.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: What okay? So, guys, we are to believe that men
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: are less likely to be shamed if they are portray
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: if they end up being charged with fifty felonies, fifty
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: sexual abusive felonies, They're less likely to be hounded, less
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: likely to have their character assassinated, less likely to be
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: publicly shamed, less likely to be stoked right, less likely
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: to lose their career and their social standing. That's what
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: they ask us to believe. In reality, male defendants and
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: sex cases are often publicly destroyed on accusation alone, not
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: even an arrest, not even on evidence. Just some woman
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: somewhere said it treated as predators before trial. Female defendants
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: routinely get humanizing coverage about their attractiveness, marriages, charmed lives,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: and emotional turmoil, as this very segment does. Now, I know, Brian,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: you say that they weren't. They're just sensationalizing it. But
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: the truth is they started with this something that you
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: might sympathize with, which is the police coming out of
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: nowhere and putting her into a car. That's if you
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: start with her. People tend to sympathize with her. And
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: of course they can't start necessarily with the boy because
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: he's a miner, and I hope he's being protected somewhat. Yeah,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: maybe they're comparing the treat people's treatment of her to
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: their treatment of him. It's like, well, how come he
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: gets protection? Why doesn't our daughter get protection? Oh? Good lord.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: The statement inverts the live double standard. Male offenders are
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: rarely framed as tragic figures who's worth as human beings
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: we must protect from the mob. Well, female offenders frequently are.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: So She's basically the thing is that she's appealing to
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: a double standard that doesn't exist in order to monopolize
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: to use a double standard that does exist, which is
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: people will think, oh wait, maybe we should care about
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: this woman. She's being victimized. This is a case of
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: a woman being victimized, you know, and that means we
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: need to we need to circle the wagons and protect her.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: And we don't have the same attitude towards men and this.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: It's certainly not in a situation like this. Content creators
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: stalking and hunting her. She's tracked, surveiled, photographed, and followed
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: everywhere she goes. So called content creators have cross state
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: lines to stare at her in court, and more disturbingly,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: to approach her directly. They've even followed her into church,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: where she shouldn't be in the first place. This isn't
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: journalism or accountability. It's predatory behavior masquerading as public interest.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: I think that is actually of the public interest that
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: she's going places where there are very likely to be minors.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: Or is that bail conditioned just a suggestion, not a condition.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: They use the word predatory for people in pews and
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: in the galley, but never for the adult alleged to
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: be sexually exploiting a high school boy. The language of
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: victimhood is reassigned from the child to the accused adult.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: So that's what they do to make the predator the victim.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: You can concede that there may be unethical behaviors by
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: some creators, but we have to stress that it does
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: not convert the defendant into the primary victim, nor erase
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: the alleged harm to the boy. The fact that they're
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: trying to convert her into the victim has to say volumes.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: Not only are they not answering the question is she innocent,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: they're deflecting from it. They are pretending that she's They're
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: making her out to be a victim of a circumstance
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: that doesn't relate to what she's charged with. Right, So
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: it's like she's they're deflecting the victimhood away from what
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: she did too. Internet caricatures. Christina has become splintered into
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: Internet cricatures predator, unfaithful wife, hypocrite. Note how predator is
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: labeled a cricature even though the underlying allegations precisely fit
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: predator behavior. A teacher, a special ed student, grooming from
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: age fourteen, dozens of encounters in school, at home, and
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: at home. The fact that people make viral content does
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: not change whether the behavior described in court documents is abusive.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: Popularity of commentary is irrelevant to whether boys can be victims.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: All right, So they're looking at the evidence in the
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: court documents and they're saying this is evidence of her
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: being predatory. And then they're saying, well, that's just an
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: internet curricature, o misogyny. We are not asking for sympthy
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: we're not asking for sympathy. We're asking for fairness. We're
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: asking you to respect due process, like any person accused
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: of a crime. Christina is presumed innocent in her case
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: will be decided in a courtroom, not on a social
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: media platform. Presumption of innocence and due process are crucial.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: But they never demand equal empathy or privacy for the
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: boy who's explicit texts and intimate details are read on air.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: So they're saying, oh, this is all sellacious and we're
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: dragging her through the mud. What about the boy. All
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: of this is intimate stuff that he went through too,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: But that's not even a concern. Of course, they're not
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: gonna I mean honestly, like they're just going to cape
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: for her. But we're here to point out the hypocrisy.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: Yeh.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: Male victims and male defendants are rarely granted. This nuanced
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: respectives dignity and the court's decide treatment. Men's reputations in
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: personhood are routinely sacrificed for public theater in a way
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: this family finds unacceptable when they accused as a woman. Right,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: and this is not too because this public theater, All right,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: this is not the worst of it. This is just
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: people asking her, like going up to her and saying
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: I'd like to do an interview or maybe going to
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: her church, which is another public place where she probably
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be at, and just observing and incidentally, why they
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: aren't reporting the fact that she's going to places where
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: miners likely are like this, does the like again? Is
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: her bail conditions just bail suggestions or does this actually matter?
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: Is there a police person going to be looking at
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: this and saying, hey, wait a second, why are you
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: at weddings? Are you able to control whether or not
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: someone brings a minor? Why are you at the church?
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: Are you able to control whether or not someone brings
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: the minor? Does this matter? Like this is part of
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: her bail condition? Does no one care at this point?
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: Was it just was it just like oh wow, we're
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: just checking a box. Uh, well, go ahead, go go go,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: go to parties, go to parties for little kids. That's fine,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: It's it's just a formality. Is that what this is
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: for her? But anyway, it's like, it's more than men
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: are interviewed, more than men, uh experienced, people going into
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: the courtroom and watching the proceedings, more than men experience,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: people having opinions on the evidence that's being presented in
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: court documents when they're accused of something. It's men who
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: are innocent, totally innocent based on evidence, still being accused
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: and rail wrote it even if when after they're found innocent,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: it's men being stocked, beaten, sodomized, like experiencing horrific assaults.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: It's men experiencing losses of their career, of their entire reputation,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: of their entire social sphere. This woman is not experiencing
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: anything comparable at all, And considering the absolute depth of
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: her depravity, that's astounding. That is a testament to how
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: much we protect women. I mean alleged depravity.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: Anyway, what I'm just I'm good. Oh that's what those
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: are my final words? Guys, You guys wanna maybe saying
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: in a super Child, Feed the Badger dot com slash
• 1:20:53
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• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: raged enough?
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 8: Do you?
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: Would you like to cap that off? Brian?
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: Mm no, I mean I I've already dead my piece,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: and uh I watched this video like three times, so
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of like you ed reached out on that. Yeah,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: I've seen what there is.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: You're in a in a post rage.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I am. Yeah, I experiencing the fatigue of rage,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: rage fatigue, I guess.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: Oh man, but this is like, that is one hell
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: of a statement. Guys. Mm hmm, that's one hell of
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: a statement. Yeah, she should have presumption of innocence, although
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: considering the evidence, good luck, that's all I can say. Yeah,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: maybe your your your your hand is in the cookie jar,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: so to speak. You were caught red handed. And again
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: even her family doesn't say she's innocent and we await
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: her exoneration on trial, they said she is presumed innocent.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: That is such mealy mouthed like, it's just it's.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: All they have.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: It's all they have.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Uh. It's either that or they just say, you know what,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah she did it. It's fucked up. I guess they
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: could have done that.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: You could have done that. They could have just been like, yeah,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: this is she's I don't know what happened, but she's
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: a disgusting creature.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah. They could have just condemned her, but she.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: Could have just condemned her. And maybe maybe the church
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: that she's apparently going to might want to reconsider the fact, like,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: do you not take it seriously that somebody at your
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: church is a potential child sex predator? Because that is
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: that just? Is it just okay? Because it's a woman
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: and these these people who are inviting her to their weddings?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Is that just okay? Do you somehow make sure that
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: she's not around children at this wedding? Like, oh, well,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be brain bringing like this, uh, this woman
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: who's uh been charged with fifty counts of uh sexual
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: predation on a minor. You might want to, you know,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: leave little Becky and Timmy at home for this one.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: Do they do that? Oh? Good lord? This woman shouldn't
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: be wandering around.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well she might not be soon, like I said,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: So okay, we'll see what the what the verdict is.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Richard Bierre says, do I need to find
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: you some more brave bro shite or Briar and Claire.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: Why to induce aingergues us.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: Uh, I don't know. I'm just kind of numb to them.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm you're comfortably number.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: No, not comfortably numb, uncomfortably numb, but nomb Nonetheless, I
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: just I don't know. They don't have any new material,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: and I can only get so angry about the same stuff.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: So you gotta find something worse, Richard. You gotta plumb
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: the depths of female dating strategy and find the I
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: don't know if it gets much worse sticky witches that
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: you can, Yeah, get some more sticky witches. Okay, all right,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: So i'm does did anyone send a super chow? Doesn't know.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: If there's any let me poke the bulls.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: No, doesn't look like it. Okay, So yeah, all right.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: Once again, if you have a comment anytime after the
• 1:25:08
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• 1:25:11
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• 1:25:16
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• 1:25:19
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• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: just the tip. Oh wait, wait, I wanted to do
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: an update on that. That the situation, the ice situation,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: the Ice show.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes, right, right, yes, do you want to give
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: me a link or something.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: I've sent you the link.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: It's I know, I know, I'm gonna grab it, hold
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: on a second home, getting sure it's loaded up.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: So I've been sort of I don't want to say
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: rake to the coals, but I've been challenged on my
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: position on the the Ice shooting. So the situation was,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: there was a woman who was in a car who
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: was blocking ICE agents from going to do their job.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: And one of the ICE agents stood in front of
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: the car or was walking in front of the car.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: Another one had his arm in the door, and then
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: she decided to floor it and hit one of the
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: agents while the other one, to my eye, was actually
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: possibly being dragged or holding it doesn't matter. Once his
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: arm was in the cab. It has actually a lethal
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: force situation. Now, some people said on both sides, they
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: got upset with me. Some said that if civilians approached
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: your car and put your arm in and you took off,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: you should have every right to do that because you
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: know they might be doing a carjacking. But my point
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: in saying that putting your arm someone's arm in your
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: car and then you taking off is a lethal situation?
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: Is not that you know, you can't do that if
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: somebody's threatening you, because if they're threatening you, they've already
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: escalated the situation to something potentially lethal. But let's say
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: you have a woman who calls over an X and
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: he's just leaning on her car to talk to her,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: and then she decides to floor it while his arm
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: is in the car. That is a lethal escalation. That's
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: my point. Just the action is a lethal escalation, divorced
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: from anything else. Now, you might be right to do
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: it if you're at fear for your life, and that
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: doesn't include people who are allowed to carry firearms and
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: detain you like police. Okay, but if you're in fear
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: for your life, sure you can escalate in that way, right,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: But if you're not, that'sn't lethal escalation, it's potentially lethal.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: That was my point. And then another person was really
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: upset with me because apparently these ice agents are just
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: evil or something. Yes, yes, I think that's basically the framework,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: and she was afraid for her life.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: They were they were grown under underneath fangorn forest, and
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: they grew in pods and they were torn free from
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: the you know, from the muck of the underworld, and
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: then they were trained by saramon in Eisngar to be
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: crossbred with u orcs and human men and then perfected
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: as fighting ice agents. So, yes, that's that's what I
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: remember correctly, that's that's where they come from. I don't
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: if you guys know that, but they're they're made just
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: for one purpose, and that is to destroy uh immigrants
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: and people tell her and women.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so they're just evil and we can't have
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: any sympathy for any situation. And guys hit the like
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: by the way, that that's I think that helps the channel.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe it doesn't because we're in a
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: black category, but whatever, hit the like, and I just
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: wanted to say that we're not allowed to actually sympathize
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: with the situation they were put in. Yes, they probably
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have walked in front of the car, although behind
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: would have been just as bad, nor should he have
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: put his hand in the car. Ice agents aren't usually
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: involved in routine traffic stops, so they don't necessarily have
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: the same procedures as cops. Right. So the fact is
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: that the more you increase the aggression on towards them,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: and the more you have them deal with stuff like this,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: the more you're gonna get situations where tension boils over
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: into lethal force. So anyway, but this is interesting because
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: this is the newest update about the guy who was
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: hit by the car, and it looks like he was
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: hit by the car. Guys, so that sound of the
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: car crunching into him, it actually did hit him. So
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: at least according to the DHS. Maybe you'll say that
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: they're liars or something.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: He suffered internal bleeding, but yeah, they're probably the Department.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: Of Homeland Security my old enemy, my old nemesis.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, keep going, well, I mean it just says ICE
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: agents struck by Renee Goods vehicle suffered internal bleeding to torso.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: DHS says Mayor Jacob Frey had compared ICE agent's injuries
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: to closing a refrigerator door with his hips. Yeah, if
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: you had the Hulk closed the door. I guess a
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: federal agent who fatally shot Renee Nicole good in Minneapolis
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: last week suffered internal bleeding to his torso when he
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: was struck by her vehicle. Department of Homeland Security Assistant
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: Secretary Tricia McLaughlin confirmed to Fox on Wednesday. The extent
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: of the bleeding to US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Ross was not immediately clear. Homeland Security Secretary Christy
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: Nome had previously said the agent was treated at a
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: hospital following the incident on January seventh, before being released
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: later that same day. The health update comes after Minneapolis
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: Mayor Jacob Fray previously downplayed the agent's injuries. Uh So, yeah,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: let me see. I mean, they're just kind of like
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: recapping how we got here. There's nothing else about his condition.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: I guess I assume that he's recovering. But yeah, so
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: that basically he suffered internal bleeding as a result. So
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: there you go.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: Well, which is not I honestly, I'm not suprised.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: Could just be a bruise, I know. But the point
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: is it doesn't matter. His life. His life was not.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: He wasn't safe, Okay, that's what matters. Like if somebody
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: hits you with a brick and you shoot them and
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: they die and the brick doesn't kill you, you still
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: did the right thing because it could have killed you.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: There's no way of knowing. Like everybody's playing like Monday
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: night quarterbacking and ship. Yeah, that's the truth is, Yeah,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: you're not there. You don't know, Like, there's definitely risks.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: Anytime somebody hits you with anything, there's there's a there's
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: always a risk. That's why assault is against the law.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And so the point is that that was
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: a lethal situation that she chose to put everybody in.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: These you know, actions have consequences exactly, all right, So
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: what they were saying that he what were they saying
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: that it was just a bruise?
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: Well, no, I mean, internal bleeding could be a bruise,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: because that's what a bruce technically is. But the point
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: is it just says internal bleeding to Torso. So we
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: don't know the extent of it, but it could be
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: something minor. But it might not be I don't know.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: Like I said, we haven't heard anything about his condition.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: But it's kind of irrelevant, as I was saying, because
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: it could have been serious, it could have been nothing,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: but there's just no way of knowing, you know.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the point is that this would probably
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: have been a substantial hit.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: If he hadn't shot her, Yeah, or I mean or
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: to the other guy. I mean, who knows.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: Again, you know, I'm just determining what this means exactly,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: m So, internal bleeding in the torso, in the torso,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: that probably is not a bruise here. Internal bleeding to
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: the torso means the craft caused bleeding inside the agent's
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: chest or or abdominal category, not an external cut.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: Or bruise he did double over for.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: Trauma like being hit by a vehicle. Internal bleeding in
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: the torso usually comes from damaged organs or blood vessels,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: for example livers, plain lungs, or major vessels blood collecting
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: inside the chest or abdomen. This type of bleeding can
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: be life threatening, even if the person looks okay from
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: the outside, because significant blood loss or pressure on organs
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: can lead to shock, breathing problems, or organ failure if
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: not treated quickly. So, no, this wasn't a bruise at
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: least based on this terminology. It means that she hit
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: him hard enough that something inside his abdomen his body
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: cavity started bleeding, maybe a ruptured blood vessel or maybe
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: a ruptured organ. So this is not small and honestly,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know why you wouldn't realize that considering the
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: sound of the thump like that was pretty substantial. And
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: yet I still think that, and we won't know for
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: sure until we if we ever get testimony. I think
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: it probably was his partner or his colleague being in
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: a situation where he might be dragged. That might have
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: been what he was responding to, right, because he managed
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: to take to do the shots after he got thumped. Yeah,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: but the colleague was still attached to the car even
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: prior to the first shot. Sure it was the first
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: shot I watched this. I'm pretty sure it's the first
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: shot where he finally gets free of the car and
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: recoils back, which suggests there was something pulling his arm
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: or holding his arm, and not saying it was her,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: not saying it wasn't her. It could have been he
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: caught his sleeve on something in her car, right, But
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: you see that agent being pulled forward or running forward whatever,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: and then the shot fires and then suddenly he's released
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: and his arm goes back, it recoils, So, I mean,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: who knows. It will have to wait until more testimony
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: comes out before we can find out what exactly happened.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: Although what's clear one her moving with his arm in
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: the car and she was stopped. She had backed up,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: and then he went in put his arm in the car,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: which he shouldn't have done because that's not procedure. But
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: that's you know, that is an issue of procedure. Okay,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: it doesn't change the fact that the moment his arm
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: was in the car and she accelerates forward that it's
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: textbook case lethal escalation. And then we also have the
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: fact that she hit the other officer hard enough to
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: cause internal bleeding. So it's not looking good for the
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: charge of complete innocence. And yes, this is really unfortunate.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: It's really unfortunate that people are in this state where
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: they think they're engaging in a holy war against patriarchy,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: trying to stop ICE from doing its job. What do
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: you think ICE was doing under Obama? Right, Like the
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: same thing.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: Except but Obama's a good guy that does good things
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: and believes the right stuff, and Trump is not those.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: He believes the bad things and the bad stuff, so
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: we have to oppose him. Allison, It's very simple. You
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: just don't get it because you believe also the bad
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: stuff or some bad stuff. So yeah, you gotta believe
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: the good stuff. This is what adult intellectual people do.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but these guys you also realize anybody who's they
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: would have been doing this job under Obama, probably a
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: lot of them, right, and they don't care, Like the
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: people who are doing this don't care. These are just
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: guys doing a job, right, a job that they have
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: been trained to do, Like that's what it is. So
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: you might not like the person who's in charge now,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: but this is a job that they've been doing, probably
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: well before Trump came in, maybe even while Obama was in.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: So it's like, there you are targeting people who they're
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: not or kai torn from the earth. They're just dudes
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: doing a job, okay, and they It's just frustrating because
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: it seems like people are just looking for a holy
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: crusade against patriarchy and they're finding it in guys who
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: are just trying to do a job. Okay. All right, So,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: and I did want to push back on one thing
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: that you said, Brian. I know that there's been a
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: long history of extremists on the left to engage in
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: bombing and all kinds of other stuff, but this seems
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: to be more just the radicalization of much more average people,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: see what I'm saying, and more of them. And I
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: think it's because we've had now generations of people told
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: that our society is a horrible patriarchy and that now
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: they're in some kind of existential fight against it because
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: they're trying to find parts of patriarchy to go out
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: and destroy. Anyway, that's a that's my thought. Did you
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: wanna did you want to comment on that?
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: Oh? I mean that, Yeah, you're just saying that we've
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: essentially radicalized more people. Yeah, and I would say, yes,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: of course. I don't think you're even pushing back. I
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: think you're just co signing what I'm saying. It's basically
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: just it's ubiquitous. Like this is why I say the
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: problem is that you don't understand is that these people
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: they just believe in the good things because they were
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: told in school, on TV everywhere that these are the
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: good things that good people believe and agree with, and
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: if you don't agree with those things, then you must
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: believe the bad things. That's what the programming does. It's
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: very simple, even though it makes no sense. And yes,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: you have like an entire generation or multiple generations of people,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: especially women, captured by this. It's what the Simon and
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: Simone Malcolm referred to it as the urban monoculture. If
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: think it's something that comes out of living in like
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: a big city, and that means you're like plugged into
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: everything all the time and you're getting like publicly educated.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: But that might be true. I didn't really look into
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter to me. It's just, yeah, I
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: mean like the sort of it's the liberal world order.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: And I know that the word liberal is triggering because
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: people are like, well, hey, wait, I don't think there's
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: anything wrong with that. That's the problem. You haven't observed
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: whether or not there are parts of this ideology which
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: are the problem, like part of the problem. It's this like,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: but liberalism means good things. Yeah, you get it. That's
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: why these people are justified in acting the way that
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: they do, because they are completely captured by this idea
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: that they are the good people who believe the good things,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: which is what liberalism tells them. Right, And yeah, they
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: end up working with leftists as useful idiots because leftists
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: who are just chasing after power and they're willing to
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: use whatever language they have to to get it, like
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: basically calling everyone who is in part of their club
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: and extremists or far right or something. They basically absorb
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: or use the liberals who are just like, well, we're
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: just the good people, and so they become useful, That's
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And centrists. Centrists are no better because
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: they're the ones that are trying to avoid all of it.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: They're like, well, look, I condemned both sides, but I
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: dare not disagree with the people who will kill me,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: like the people who have assassinated Charlie Kirk. So I'm
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: just gonna stay out of it. Guess what, you're helping them.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. We have to at some
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: point start asking ourselves, regardless of where that places you,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: what do you believe in and then stand by that
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: no matter what, because these people will forever keep doing
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: more and more radical shit under the flag of I
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: believe the good things because I'm a good person, and
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: they have no humility, they have no ability to say
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm not a good person, maybe I can be
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: a piece of shit, maybe I don't always know what
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about, maybe I'm wrong about something. But they
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: can't do that because that means that they no longer
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: believe the good things. So this is why we have to, like, no,
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: I'm serious. This is where we have to wrestle with, Like, yeah,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: it is a real thing that we have to confront
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: that starts with our own humility. Like in here we
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: have to say where am I limited? Where? And what
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: areas am I? You know, like could I be wrong?
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: And then you start from there. But these people can't
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: do that. And I think this is especially true of
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: women because we have protected them from the consequences of
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: their own ideas for a long time. So, like, I
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: saw this thing that was kind of interesting this guy.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: It was an anecdotal thing, but it made me think.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: He said that all women believe that they're going to heaven,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: like they just believe, like they if they believe in heaven,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: they believe they're just going. And if you ask them,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: why do you think you're going in heaven, they'll be like, well,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: because I'm a good person, and they and but the
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: thing is, it's interesting because men don't think that. When
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: you ask men, they'll be like, well, I hope so
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: if they even believe in it, right, or they say
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: well I don't know, or you know, I'm working on it.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: Like there's this humility presumed that men have work to
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: do to become better people, Like there's something that they're
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: trying to get to. They're like, I want to I
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: want to be a better person. I'm moving towards this thing.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: Women think they're already there by default, and it's because
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: they've been told their whole life that they are. And
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: that's like the and it's I have some sympathy because
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: it means that when they have suffering, they're not going
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: to be prepared to handle it, you know. So yeah,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: that's there.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: Is this attitude and I've seen it a lot in
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: feminist writing that women are moral by virtue simply existing.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's fine.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: That that that is a problem. And I think that
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: you know we were talking about in the discord. By
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: the way, if you're in didn't join these conversations, Badger
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: Nation don online can have some interesting conversations about all
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: of this kind of stuff. I was saying in the discord,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: like they were talking about this some tweet where someone
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: was just give me a moment, unless it was Robbie Starbucking.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: He said, in less than one year, democrats got a
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: subset of left left wing women to to support or defend.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know this trend.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: It's like one of those you know, cartel gangs, very
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: very violent.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: MS thirteen, communism, running over law enforcement, Antifa, Maduro Maduro Hamma, Yeah,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: Sharia law, assassinations and sex changes for kids. Evil but
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: impressive psychological operation. And what my response to that was
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: women like these narratives because it may makes them feel
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: like they're right, Okay, that supports their belief that they're
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: morally superior. So this is what I'm seeing. They have
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: all these narratives that they're pushing because they believe it
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: explains why they should be listened to and not men.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: Because if they if you can just pursue these utopian
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: ideas and just protect the people who are vulnerable, somehow
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: the world will be better. And it's just the fault
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: of men. It's the fault of those ice agents enforcing
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: immigration law. It's the fault of police, you know, enforcing
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: doing doing stops, you know, enforcing you know, public laws.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: It's the fault of men enforcing standards. That's why we
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: don't have a utopia. So they get behind all of
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: these things that are framed as the underdog having standards
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: enforced on them, and and it's proof that they're right
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: that if they we've just got rid of those standards
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: that men do. The world would be a better place,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: you know, and and it creates the existential battle against
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: the forces of patriarchy. But there's some like deeper stuff.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I should get into it, because
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: it's there is some reasons why women do this that
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: have to do with psychology and insecurity. But that's what
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: creates the appetite for these narratives, and for generations, girls
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: have been raised to be holy warriors against patriarchy. And
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: now the advertising copy has metastasized into this. So now
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: we have mobs of people trying to find places where
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: they can fight patriarchy, which just happens to be you know,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: jobs that are mostly done by men, and it's a
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: job that the the actions in the job as something
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: men also mostly do, like enforcing meritocracy, enforcing laws, and
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: so what happens when you train generations of people to
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: regard the system and this is something I said eight
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: years ago that they're part of to be illegitimate because
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: it's men oppressing women for their own benefit. It's the
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: final boss of dehumanizing narratives, and it's aimed directly at
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: the system. That manufactured it to everybody's all of these mobs,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: all of these radicalized normal people are looking for patriarchy
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: to fight because we've been they've been said for generations
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: now that that is the great evil and it exists everywhere.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: So they're trying to find it in their fellow man.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: And also at this point, they don't have any identity
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: left because you can't be a man that's a pressing women.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: You can't be a woman that's being oppressed by men.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: So you're just basically a holy warrior, a servant of
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: the fight against patriarchy. And that's my interpretation of what's
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: going on. Anyway, I'll leave it off at that, all right, okay,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: all right. Yeah, Mia is on the job. She has
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: a job and she's doing it. I'm not sure what
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: her job is.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: She is the Knight is just she has vengeance. But
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: for I got a super chat from Senior Sticks. Thank
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: you Senior Sticks for two dollars, and he says, isn't
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: it time for dystopian standards in twenty twenty six?
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's time to embrace the dystopia. Guys.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: We're just I just I think that people who are
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: accustomed to certain comforts will suffer the most.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't even got into what's happening in the
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: silver market. Oh man, Okay, I can't say anything. I can't.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not all I can't because that'll be another three hours. No,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: all right, I'm just saying there's crazy stuff going on
• 1:48:51
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• 1:48:54
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  Speaker 1: No.
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