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Counting Clayton’s Roses with Nick Viall · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with IR Radio. Hey, guys, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Today obviously big day premiere of the Bachelor, and we
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  Speaker 1: have our good friend Nicholas Vial here to break down
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  Speaker 1: the episode and to update him on his life. Nick. Hello, No,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna have you update us on your life, which
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  Speaker 1: is like, just been sparkling lately. You are sparkling, you
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  Speaker 1: look sparkling. Why is he sparkling, Ashley when you think
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  Speaker 1: because because Natalie and Jeff you said on Instagram this
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  Speaker 1: week that basically it's been your best year thus far
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  Speaker 1: thanks to Natalie and Jeff. That is your girlfriend of
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  Speaker 1: over a year now. Okay, so Nick was always the
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  Speaker 1: guy who did not understand Jared and my obsession with Loiz.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't understand my sadness when my Lucy passed away,
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  Speaker 1: and now he forget He like he is a whole
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  Speaker 1: different person. You understand She's not a ter. I would agree, then,
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  Speaker 1: have you been that love? No? No, I never had,
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  Speaker 1: but I just agree. I gotta uh interceed here because
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  Speaker 1: Jessica and I you know, I don't know if you
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  Speaker 1: guys saw this on Instagram, but Alice from the Bachelor franchise,
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  Speaker 1: you know, rescued a dog on the side of the
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  Speaker 1: road on her way from Arizona Denver. Brought the dog
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  Speaker 1: to Denver, kind of nursed it back to health, found
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  Speaker 1: out that the dog was pregnant with eight puppies and
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  Speaker 1: just had eight puppies. And so Jessica and I Jessica
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  Speaker 1: is a hundred percent in I'm ninety five, and it's well,
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  Speaker 1: the mom is a Blue healer um. But the dad
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  Speaker 1: isn't known yet and so we don't really know. But
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  Speaker 1: the mom is the sweetest dog. It has a had
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  Speaker 1: an incredible story. It was abused, it's one year old,
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  Speaker 1: has had two broken legs already when at least found it.
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  Speaker 1: And so the dogs just the sweetest and these puppies
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  Speaker 1: are just the cutest. So as a potential because Jessica
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  Speaker 1: does and we'll listen to this as a potential new
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  Speaker 1: dog parent, where are some of the advantages, disadvantages and
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  Speaker 1: advice you have me? Are you asking me? Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: asking you. Well, I I was blessed to be given
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  Speaker 1: a saint that is Jeff. I mean, and I I'm
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  Speaker 1: being serious, Like when I when I got Jeff like I,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I have allergies, so like I'm allergic to dogs.
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  Speaker 1: So I I've I've grown to always like dogs, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, I kept my distance with with most dogs. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and I've always wanted to get a dog, And so
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  Speaker 1: combination of allergies and then like my lifestyle, and by
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  Speaker 1: a lifestyle, I mean like I've been always on the
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  Speaker 1: go and busy, and I just didn't have the time
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  Speaker 1: to uh properly take care of a dog. You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's you never had one growing up. No that's not true.
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  Speaker 1: Oh really, you did have them growing up. We played up.
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  Speaker 1: We actually a handful, but it's a long story, but yes,
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  Speaker 1: we had dogs, um and um. And so when we
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  Speaker 1: got Jeff, I was I was a little nervous about
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  Speaker 1: you know, how he would be or or or my love,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like my attachment to them. And not only
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  Speaker 1: did I grow immediately and attached, but he's been a
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  Speaker 1: goddamn delight, Like I mean as far as like having
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  Speaker 1: a puppy, I mean, he's like just objectively not talking
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  Speaker 1: about like my love for him. Like other than the
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  Speaker 1: occasional a couple of accidents early on, he doesn't drool,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't bite, things. He doesn't ruin things like other
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  Speaker 1: than Natalie's underwear, like he's obsessed with like he will
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  Speaker 1: eat that if she leaves it lying around, but that's
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  Speaker 1: that's on her, like don't leave it on the floor,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So like, um, he's really been such a
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  Speaker 1: a one her full full. I mean, like we create
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  Speaker 1: trained Jeff right away. He now like sleeps with us
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  Speaker 1: every night. But like the first month, like we quate trained,
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  Speaker 1: we great to train them and so um we heard
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  Speaker 1: that was helpful and we did that. It was pretty
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  Speaker 1: easy to do it right away. And other than that,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of like helpful information because
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  Speaker 1: I think I was just blessed with a really great
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  Speaker 1: dog who was just well behaved and nice, and he
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  Speaker 1: likes to cuddle and he gets a little barkie with
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  Speaker 1: like you know, um nature, like he seems to bark
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  Speaker 1: at nature. Um, but he's a puppy. So like all
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  Speaker 1: things being equal, it's been really easy. So I hope
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  Speaker 1: and wish uh my experience with Jeff on anyone who
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  Speaker 1: gets a new dog. So I hope that for you, Ben,
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  Speaker 1: But I think I just got really lucky. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's it's definitely risk. But we we went after
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  Speaker 1: the runt of the litter um because we thought the
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  Speaker 1: runt wouldn't be you know, we didn't want like this
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  Speaker 1: alpha dog dog that would bark and you know, be
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  Speaker 1: crazy as the runs the letter too. Really okay, and
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  Speaker 1: I think I like that personality. We're excited, Jessica now flashed. Uh. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we we met this little puppy a week ago. Every
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  Speaker 1: night before she goes to bed, she goes, I miss him,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, gosh, dang it, this is happening. This
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  Speaker 1: is definitely happening. So um well, Nick, transition a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Natalie is Austin in your life. She's been. She is
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  Speaker 1: a delight as well. I've been able to meet her
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  Speaker 1: and we really enjoy her. Ashley was the first to
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  Speaker 1: tell me about her, and she was just telling tell
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  Speaker 1: me how great she was. How has that changed your life?
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  Speaker 1: I'm less smoody. That's good all he self admits it.
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  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Like seriously, Nick is always in a good mood. Now, well,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say always, but wow, often I think me
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  Speaker 1: having now in my life there you realize that I
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  Speaker 1: was probably slightly crabvier um uh with her than I
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  Speaker 1: and I am without, you know, because it's it's a challenge,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Obviously the file follows are in life are
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  Speaker 1: asking nick or question dick? I I I often strongly
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  Speaker 1: advocate for uh not being afraid of being single or
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  Speaker 1: embracing it, etcetera, etcetera. But you know, I was, I
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  Speaker 1: was single for a long time, and I think that's
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  Speaker 1: fine for people. I think, but I think over for
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  Speaker 1: a while. You know, you can you you can get
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  Speaker 1: a little uh crappy, thank you? Um? Okay, So can
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  Speaker 1: you describe why she balances you perfectly? Like why you
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  Speaker 1: guys are perfect compliments? Because I do believe you are.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything that's sing it's perfect Okay, fine,
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  Speaker 1: not perfect? Bad word choice? Um, why you compliment each other?
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  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of her strengths are some of
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  Speaker 1: my weaknesses, and vice versa. She's a very present person.
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  Speaker 1: She's a generally very happy person. I'm neither pleasant or
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  Speaker 1: generally happy. Um. Oh that's great. Um, And so she
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  Speaker 1: really helps uh that with me? I mean you'd have
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  Speaker 1: to ask her what I help her with. But um,
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  Speaker 1: as corny as it sounds, I think we we spend
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  Speaker 1: a lot of time together. I mean, you know, our
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  Speaker 1: relationship we met each other before the pandemic, but our
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  Speaker 1: relationship really started in the pandemic, so um, you know
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  Speaker 1: part of you know, part of the pandemic. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you're kind of stuck with each other. We don't get
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  Speaker 1: into each other's nerves. But I think we also are
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  Speaker 1: okay with Yeah, there's a yeah, okay with like having
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  Speaker 1: our own time and free time. But I think, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I think you know, there's high level stuff, right, there's
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  Speaker 1: like the important things, and there's like there's the nice
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  Speaker 1: to haves, but like also we have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the nice to have. And what I mean by that
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  Speaker 1: is like, as you know, Ashley, I'm a creature of habit,
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  Speaker 1: especially when it comes to like food, Like I like
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  Speaker 1: my rotation and Nally and I have very similar palettes,
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  Speaker 1: and like neither of us are like, oh I gotta
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  Speaker 1: like eat this because you like this, or vice versa,
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  Speaker 1: and so we we that's a very nice to have,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like there's some things that
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  Speaker 1: she loves that I don't like, and vice versa. But
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  Speaker 1: like that's like condiments we don't like. We're not always
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  Speaker 1: on the same page condiments wise, but that's fine. But
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  Speaker 1: the like the and so like that's just a nice
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  Speaker 1: nice to have. You know, we like the same TV shows.
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  Speaker 1: Uh and and for the most part, like we like
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  Speaker 1: the same TV shows. There's a lot of stuff we
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  Speaker 1: you know, and again you don't need that, but it's
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  Speaker 1: a nice it's nice to have and we uh so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's just it's just it's fun and enjoyable to be around.
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  Speaker 1: And uh yeah, and she's just she's lives a light
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  Speaker 1: and she you me my toes the year ago, remember
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  Speaker 1: being incredibly impressed. I think it started about a year ago.
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  Speaker 1: But you do on Sundays um for a long time now,
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  Speaker 1: uh questions with Nick and you get on Instagram and
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  Speaker 1: you answer. I mean, it's impressive how many questions you
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  Speaker 1: get weekly? And and I think we I first started
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  Speaker 1: like picking up on this before I knew you were
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  Speaker 1: dating Natalie. Where did all the wisdom? Um? Because it
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  Speaker 1: is I mean, and you don't have to admit it,
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  Speaker 1: but there's a lot of wisdom behind your answers, and
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of experience behind your answers. So two
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  Speaker 1: questions there, where did that come from? And then how
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  Speaker 1: easy was it for you when you met Natalie to
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  Speaker 1: transfer some of that wisdom inter relationship. Uh where did
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  Speaker 1: it come from? I mean it came from having friends
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  Speaker 1: like Ashley. Uh you know, um, the the asking the
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  Speaker 1: questions part and then you giving the answers answering the questions.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an introspective person. I've always like, I've always had
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  Speaker 1: at mindset and I think, you know, a combination of
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  Speaker 1: my own trials and tribulations in my own personal life
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  Speaker 1: and then my my need to learn about my own
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  Speaker 1: choices to do things differently. And then, um, I've always
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed being the friend. You know what I've learned about myself?
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  Speaker 1: What do we want to go down a rabbit hole?
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  Speaker 1: Are we? Yes? I love rabbit hole all the time?
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  Speaker 1: You have, um, you know, as a podcast host, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're always trying to understand the relationship you have with
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  Speaker 1: your audience, right, and who am I to my audience?
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  Speaker 1: You know? And and in that kind of self reflection,
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  Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, I'm I'm I'm the
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  Speaker 1: brother or the friend that you I'm the friend that
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  Speaker 1: you need sometimes but not always the friend that you want.
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  Speaker 1: And then it made me think about like my life
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  Speaker 1: and it was like this kind of it was this
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  Speaker 1: kind of self awareness of acceptance that like the truth
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  Speaker 1: of it, I didn't like love, but then I learned
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  Speaker 1: to appreciate it. And what I mean by that is
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  Speaker 1: I've never been a best man ever. I've never been
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  Speaker 1: anyone's best man. I've however, I've stood up and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how many weddings, UM I've have. My my
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  Speaker 1: friendships are truly important to me. I have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of strong my friendships have always been important to me. UM,
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  Speaker 1: and I have a lot of close friends. I've I've
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've been the elector at weddings, have been
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  Speaker 1: the usher at weddings, and even people I like became
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  Speaker 1: friends with liked after they had gotten engaged with. But
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  Speaker 1: I've never been someone's best Matt. And that that, I
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  Speaker 1: think that used to always bother me, that I was
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  Speaker 1: never like the guy, you know, I was never the
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  Speaker 1: ride or die. And then I thought to myself, like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder why that is. And I feel like the
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  Speaker 1: best man is your guy, your friend or whatever that
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  Speaker 1: you're just like no matter what you want to you
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  Speaker 1: or whatever stupid decision you have in mind, they're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sinking down. I'm let's do it, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of a Debbie Donner that way, And I'm
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  Speaker 1: always like, do you do you really want to? Like
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  Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm the friend you have around that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like as a buzz kill once in a
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  Speaker 1: while when I'm just like offering that level of objectivity
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  Speaker 1: that eventually you appreciate, but in the moment, you might
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  Speaker 1: just want me to shut the hell up, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And and I thought about this a while, and I
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  Speaker 1: realized that's just kind of who I've always been. And
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  Speaker 1: I've learned accuracy of this is just incredible. Keep going.
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  Speaker 1: I've learned to accept that. I mean, sometimes I wish
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  Speaker 1: I could be a best man, and uh, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: good enough to like I stand I've I stood up
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of weddings because it's like, you know, definitely,
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  Speaker 1: I definitely appreciate next friendship because like he's really been
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  Speaker 1: there for me and boy really helped out. But boy,
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  Speaker 1: I sure didn't want to hear what he had to
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  Speaker 1: say in that moment. And and that's why that's why
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  Speaker 1: Tony is my best man, because this this guy, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it makes me feel really good about myself in the moment.
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  Speaker 1: But so yeah, that's this. This it's just who I am,
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  Speaker 1: I guess and uh for better or worse, uh and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes for both. But yeah, it's been a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the questions like on Sundays has really been
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  Speaker 1: kind of the launching pad for everything I'm doing right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's why I sort of the Vital Files sameless plug. I.
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  Speaker 1: I have the questions with nickbook coming out I think
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  Speaker 1: in October. That is basically it's loosely based off of
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  Speaker 1: a question questions. It's I think it's the first bachelination
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  Speaker 1: book that has nothing to do with bachelination. Um, but
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  Speaker 1: hopefully people will enjoy that. And it's again a lot
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  Speaker 1: of uh based off of into very long winded answer
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  Speaker 1: to your question, Ben, what do I do to apply
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  Speaker 1: to my that those stuff to my current relationship? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I try to be very careful not to try did
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  Speaker 1: too too too much. And what I mean by that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of what I talked about on my show
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  Speaker 1: Our questions of Nick or or or the book is
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot of things I try to incorporate to
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  Speaker 1: got me to Natalie in the relationship, and it's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of being honest with yourself about your own choices.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the book is really just about how to
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  Speaker 1: get out of your own way and how to control
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  Speaker 1: your ego and how to um be accountable for your
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  Speaker 1: choices and put yourself in the best possible situation because
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  Speaker 1: like dating is hard, and relationships are hard, and and
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  Speaker 1: disappointment is inevitable when it comes to love and dating.
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  Speaker 1: And we we can't control all the other people we
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  Speaker 1: meet and all the other people we date. That's hard enough.
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  Speaker 1: And and and if we can just try to to
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  Speaker 1: improve our own choices and how we handle disappointment, we
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  Speaker 1: can put ourselves in best possible situations to be you
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  Speaker 1: already and available and and healthy emotionally when the right
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  Speaker 1: person comes along. UM. So a lot of that is
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  Speaker 1: about like getting to that point so that when you
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  Speaker 1: meet someone like a Natalie, you don't you don't ruin it,
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  Speaker 1: you don't uh, it doesn't pass you by. Um because
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  Speaker 1: in my relationship, I try to be very careful about um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like I have a partnership with Natalie, so
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  Speaker 1: she she doesn't need me for you know, like talking
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  Speaker 1: about the how to use a relationship type of thing
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  Speaker 1: and so uh in a relationship. Um. I try to
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  Speaker 1: be mindful about like things I say uh to my audience,
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  Speaker 1: and then I'll ask myself in the moment, is this
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  Speaker 1: advice I would give someone you know? In terms of
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  Speaker 1: how I'm responding. But it's easier to respond when you're
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  Speaker 1: not emotionally involved with someone you know, um than when
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  Speaker 1: you are. So yeah, I tried. I try not to
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  Speaker 1: bring too much of work, so to speak, into my relationship.
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  Speaker 1: I certainly try to be self aware and obviously and
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  Speaker 1: and empathetic and and treat it more like a partnership
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  Speaker 1: rather than the friend who's giving advice. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to be that to Natalie, and I do want to
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  Speaker 1: be the best man you know, nick Um, you sit
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram something about this being like the biggest year
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  Speaker 1: to come for you too. Are you thinking about engagement?
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  Speaker 1: I know that I'm just trying to get the likes,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I know, but I know.
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  Speaker 1: But also I think you take being with her for
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  Speaker 1: a long time very seriously. Uh. I, Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I I will just I certainly have big plans with
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  Speaker 1: Natalie this year, so I'm trying not to get too
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  Speaker 1: ahead of myself. But if if if the rest myself
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  Speaker 1: is uh, I can confidantly say that if I'm as
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  Speaker 1: I sit here now, if if I end up spending
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  Speaker 1: the rest of my life and aale and have a
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  Speaker 1: family with her, I would consider myself to be the
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  Speaker 1: luckiest guy in the world. That's great, so sweet. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Well we want to dive into some bachelor related questions.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna do so right after this pick. All right, Nick,
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  Speaker 1: I do have a question for you before we kick
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  Speaker 1: off the bachelor talk. You. Uh, you have been a bachelor,
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  Speaker 1: so this is a little bit relevant. Uh, this has
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  Speaker 1: been a big year for you too, because you've gotten
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  Speaker 1: some some some tattoos and I recently got a tattoo myself.
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  Speaker 1: I got my wedding ring tattooed on my finger. It's
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  Speaker 1: a big deal. Oh yeah, it's a big deal. It's
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  Speaker 1: for you. That's a that's permanent. It's permanent, buddy. I'm
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  Speaker 1: in it. I'm in it, and I'm enjoying it. But
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  Speaker 1: it's only been six weeks, but I'm really loving marriage.
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  Speaker 1: It's really great for me. Yeah, well, fantastic, man, it
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  Speaker 1: it has it has changed our lives right three rest
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  Speaker 1: you know yea, yeah, very yet ease, very relaxed. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just chilling there like like more unwounded. Yeah, it's weird.
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  Speaker 1: It's weirder that happens, right ash Um. Yeah, but you
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  Speaker 1: did get some tattoos. Uh. They look great, but they came.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think your first one was probably this year, right,
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  Speaker 1: And and you've continued Have you always wanted tattoos? What
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  Speaker 1: was the final decision? Walk us through this process, because
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  Speaker 1: because you know, I've been I've been curious, uh something
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  Speaker 1: I've always thought about doing. Um, but they are permanent.
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  Speaker 1: And so before this year, every time I kind of
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  Speaker 1: thought about a tottoo, I just you know, I'm a
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  Speaker 1: I'm all, I'm an all in kind of guy, and
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: so I don't like half asking things, and so you know,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: for me, I just didn't want to get like a tattoo.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: And so I have a lot of a large family,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: and so I had this plan for a handful of
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: years now of I wanted to get to get tattoo
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: that represented every member in my family and then other
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: parts of my life. And so every tattoo I have
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: tells a story about an individual in my life. Uh,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: and I have I don't don't I think I have
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: like twenties some Now, do you have a favorite, Like,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: do you have one that like you look at and
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: you're just really really appreciative of all of them. I mean, well,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I mean this is what our video is it? No,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: we don't have video, Okay, so I mean that one
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: on the one side, this is the lake house, which
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: is a sad story because oh no, I didn't get
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: an update on that. I didn't get it, asshole. And
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: my long story short, my grandfather built a lake house.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: They're no, well, right, my grandfather built a lake house.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: The six days they sold it when my grandfather died
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: when I was ten, like thirty one years ago, it
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: was like my nirvana. I dreamt about this. I have
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: recurring dreams about it. I have a tattoo of of
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that house because it's the place where if I think
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: of heaven, that's what I think of. Um. And they
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: had to sell it because, you know, when my grandfather died.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: It's up north in central Wisconsin. And I found out,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: you know, probably in the first it's probably the first
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: year of my life that would even be in a
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: position to afford like a second home or a lake house.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: And and um, I found out a day after, there
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: was an accepted offer that I was up for sale,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to buy it back and give it
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: to my mom. Uh, and I tried to Uh. I
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: offered the buyer the purchase price to walk away, and
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: he he did not take it. So my hope is
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that he will still eventually come around. But it was
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I was really hoping to give out of a house
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: for Christmas. Yeah, it anyway, So then I have the
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: house and then you know this, this line is my dad.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: It's a it's a line for my dad. F I'm
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: a crest, and this is a humming burn, which is
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: my mom, and the lines looking up to my mom
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: and the hummingbirds. Whereas with my mom because on the
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: sligh houses where I first saw humming burn, and then
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: these eleven stars with their kids, and then on everything
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: down here all the children, and then you know, actually,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: and then I really like my tattoo of Jeff. Yeah
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: you got a tattoo Jeff. I love that well, and Jeff,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Jeff taught me the value of being unconditionally liked. And
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: for anyone of all the people go out there and
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: they will talk about being unconditionally loved, unconditionally love, I
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: think is not as good as being unconditionally liked. That's
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: very interesting. I think I know where you're going with it.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Go for it. Well, your mom unconditionally loves you, but
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: your mom still thinks you're an asshole sometimes, you know.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I I'm sure I could sit down your mom and
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I bet I could get her to complain about you
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: for an hour. Actually. But Jeff, he loves everything I do.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: He likes everything I do. Everything I do is awesome.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: And it's the first thing I've letters living thing because
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: people love me, but people all afully have to tolerate me.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: And Jeff, Jeff likes everything I do, and that's an
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: amazing feeling. There there is one thing that you cannot
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: die deny about Nick, and that is that he's very
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: self aware and it's amazing and I love this and
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I could, really, we could really talk to you for
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: the whole hour, U. But let's get into some Bachelor things.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: You and I both texted back and forth a little
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: bit about the oddness that was the Clayton as being
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor, you know, the choice, the choice to have
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Clayton be the Bachelor. After watching episode one, how are
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: are you feeling I feel good and all you really needed.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: There was a specific scene in this episode that told
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: you everything you need to know about Clayton and this season.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And I just want to point out at that point
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: out of my my podcast, whatever you think about what
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: makes it it are bad bachelor bout shrette has nothing
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: to do with people as human beings. Clayton and the
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: person I've never met. I've heard none of good things
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: about him. I've I've had I've had the edit tell
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: us that this bachelor bach shrette is a good person,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: only to have producers be like they can suck you know,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: but it sounds like everything I heard about Clayton. He's
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: a genuinely nice guy. Alright. I want to make that clear.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I haven't met him, but the scene where Sally previously
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: engaged Sally walks up, that scene is all you need
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: to know about this season. The good news is is
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: that I think this season is gonna be awesome. It's
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: gonna be what it's gonna be, a hot, stinky mess
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: of drama. And Clayton is in no way emotionally ready
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: to get engaged or married anytime soon. He is emotionally
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: probably immature, and they of a bachelor who's emotionally immature.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is like Sally comes in,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: she knocks on his door. She's like, Clayton, is nice
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: to meet you. Can I tell you a story? By
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: the way, I was supposed to get married yesterday. Yesterday
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: was my wedding day, and I've been having these feelings
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: about like, you know, oh, shoot, you know what you know.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: What Clayton says to her, he's just like, well, I
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: know you're an amazing person, and he begs her to
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: say that is an insane response to someone who just
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: sat you down and said, hey, listen, I'm a little
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: broken inside, you know, and I don't know if I
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: can be ready in eight weeks to get engaged to you.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: But apparently Clayton knows that she's a great person, and well,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: that's a nice thing to say to someone, and it
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: sounds good. It's an insane response to someone who's clear
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: like the only correct response to be like, hey, listen,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: thank you for being so vulnerable. I can only imagine
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: what that's like. But it sounds like, you know, you're
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: you're you're still healing and I really want to find love.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: And this is such an insane response, sane world. And
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the only thing I know so far, having even not
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: started this, I'm only I'm five hours away from sorry,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: this is that I think everyone needs to kind of
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: be emotionally healed so that, you know, we can put
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: our best foot forwards to fall in love and like
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: eight or weeks or whatever it is. But Caitlin Clayton,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: excuse me, begs for begs for to stay. It's a
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: nuts response. So that absolutely, that absolutely tells me that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: this will be an awesome season. And and and I
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: feel bad for Clayton because they're gonna walk circles, run
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: circles around Clayton. He is going to make choices based
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: off of wanting to say and do the right thing
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: and wanting to be the nice guy. And he will
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: focus on short term niceness and gratification at the detriment
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: to his like long term happiness, because that is not
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: a response you say to someone if your primary focus
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: is to find healthy and happy love that possibly could
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: last you the rest of your life. It's gonna be
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: like Peter Webber's season, you know, a train wreck for him,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: very entertaining for us, it's gonna be so good. And
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: and I feel bad because like obviously like and again
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I I I hope I get a chance to interview
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Clayton despite me it seeming like I've been hard on him,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and that I've been hard on the choice of Clayton.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: That Clayton the person, and I think he's gonna deserve
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of hugs after this and he's probably a
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: good guy and it's probably why. And I think the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: way the producers are going to get us to care
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: about Clayton's love story is to get a bunch of
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: women to break up with him. He's he's over, he
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: was over two before he got to his first row ceremony.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I got dumped twice. Yeah, that hurts. That wasn't that
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: wasn't an accident like that you do that so you
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: care because before we didn't care, like why should we
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: care about you? And now we're starting to care because
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: everyone deserves love and you're like, this guy got dumped
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: twice before his first row ceremony. I suspect we're going
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to see a handful of more of of of of
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: of Clayton being broken up with, so that by the
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: end of the season we're like, can this guy just
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: fall in somebody that that's my that's my guess. I
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: you know what I don't want though, I get frustrated
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: because we went into this for a while with The Bachelor,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: especially was the leads had a really hard time asking
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: questions and following up and digging in a little bit
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: and sitting in like the messiness of it all, and
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: as a result, it is entertaining, but we end up
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: not getting to know the cast at all, Like we
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: end up at the end of the season being like,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I have no connection with any of them because there's
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: never been a single question asked past hey you're really
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: great like or in and a lot of kisses. And
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: that's what I don't want to go back to because
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: we we've had it with a couple of Bachelor as
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: seasons where good questions been asked, We've got to know
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the cast, we've enjoyed the cast, and they go on
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Paradise and we root form there or whatever. I don't
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: want us just to fall in this. Hey I was
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: supposed to get married today. Oh, but you're a great person.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Let's kiss that. I don't like that in this show.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I get really tired of it. Yeah, I mean I
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: get what you're saying, Ben, and I agree with your premise,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: but overall, I don't know. I don't think you're thinking
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: big picture. I loved Michelle. I loved Michelle. That's a
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: bad shrap. Yeah, I love especially like like Katie's season
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: was toxic. That's the only way to describe Katie's season.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Everything about it was toxic. It was also good TV.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: But like by the time Katie's season was over, like
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I was exhausted recapping it was just like land Mine
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: after Landmine, triggering episode after triggering episode, and having Michelle
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: be the bat shortt was a breath of fresh air.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, having a lead that we often aren't privileged
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: to have someone like Michelle who emotionally very immature, thoughtful,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: clearly had lived some life and experience some ups and downs.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: So that every conversation Michelle had with her men like
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: we could learn something from Michelle. You know, she would
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: say things and be like, that's such an interesting way
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: to look at it, and that was really nice to have.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: But the criticism of Michelle's season was and while I
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: enjoyed it, a lot of people found it to be
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: a little boring by the end, and you know, not
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: like a little nuts, So listen. I'm just it's good
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: to mix it up, right, I think you know, we
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: had a toxic season with Katie. We had a very
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: mature but like potentially slightly like too normal, too boring.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: So if we get just hot, sninky mess with Clayton,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: it's fine. This is a TV show, you know we're
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: watching after all. If you want like good relationship advice,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: listen to the Vile Files. If you want like if
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: you want toxic. If you want to toxic, you know
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: what not to do with love and dating, watch The
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Bachelor sometimes, nick Um. The ratings are obviously have been
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: steadily going down with each season. It hasn't been since
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: mine and ben seasons was pretty high, right, Hannah's was
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: really high relatively speaking, but they haven't gone up since.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Been into myself. Lets you guys, I got the medal
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: behind me representing that golden era. Um do you? And
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I say this because like, Jared and I are having
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: a watch party down at Audrey's today. By the way,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to check it up. Well, we can't
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: wait for you to come. You know, I've got to
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: deliver the baby and then we can have all our
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: friends come. Um. So I'm getting a lot of responses
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: based on like us having a watch party that people
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: are like, oh, I don't watch anymore because Chris Harrison
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: is not the host. How much do you think that
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: that is affecting the ratings? None at all, but great?
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, can I want to ask you a question
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: and then I want to ask you guys about Jesse Palmer,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Um the ratings for I think it's accommodation of things.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: The ratings. I think it's disingenuous to compare like the
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: ratings from mine and Ben season to the ratings of today.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Like people are digesting media differently, they're watching stuff on
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: their phone, they're streaming it differently. So when you compare
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: like the Nielsen ratings from like six years ago two now,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: it's like it's apples and oranges. So as much as
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: like Ben and I might like jokingly brag about it,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: it's completely disingenuous. Um, it's still winning Monday Night, still
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: very popular. Uh, audiences have always come and go, you know,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: your legacy fans like that have been with us every
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: season and by awesome invat nation like those are always
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: been few and far between. So you might be asking
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: people that you're used to asking who might not still
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: watch it, But there's plenty of new fans, you know
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So I think it's all relative, Like
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: you know, that being said, I think there's probably like
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: you know, there's gonna always be a little bit of
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: like fatigue certainly with like you know, I need to
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: take a season off because like I don't know, maybe
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: so that maybe they took Michelle's season off because like
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I wasn't used to watching The Bachelor or Bach Sharrette
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: in the fall because I watched you know whatever, and
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: so they didn't watch it. I honestly think the franchise
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: is doing just fine. I think it's it's you just
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: have to figure out how you're comparing it. Um, of
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: course you're gonna always gonna have the I'm not watching
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: because of Chris Harrison. Yeah, I'm sure there a people
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: like that. More more people will say that and still
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: watch it. I think if you're that big of a
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: fan of The Bachelor franchise, that you were triggered. And
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I love, you know, as a person, Chris, I love him,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: you know, good guy. You know he made a mistake,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: But like, who is like from the Chris I know,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I think he's a good guy, right and so um,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: but to but to be that offended that he like
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: is not what the show? That you can't watch it?
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I think you're such a fan that would say that
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: rather than not watch it. You know what I'm saying,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Like it's something to say, but I don't think you
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: actually followed through. Um, what do you guys think of
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Jesse Palmer? Because I think when you watch it and
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: for me, I I want to know it because like
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I watched it, it's hard for me not to be biased, right,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I think for people like me, you, Ben Wells, Caitlin, Tasha,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: you know who I have hosted it and then you
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: think of the Bachelor, like we look at them, think
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: you wonder if could I do that? Right? Could we
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: do that? You know? Uh? You know and when they
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: were like when they were looking for a new host,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: you know, you throw your hat in the ring, so
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: to speak, they hired Jesse Palmer. Okay, he's the former
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Bachelor and then he comes out and it was just like,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm biased, So I have an opinion, but
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's fair because you know, I'm
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: sure Ben, you watched it the same way as me,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: of like how would I what else could I have done?
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Could I have done that? You know, sometimes you see
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: someone doing something you go that was really good, you know,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: like when Caitlin hosted a far she did like the moment,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know because it's live, right, like hosting a
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: tell all whatever, like you can screw up thirty times.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I like to believe I could do what Caitlin did
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: an a far do. I believe I can do it, sure,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. I haven't done it yet, and
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: you know, like and she crushed it, right, so I
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: could watch that objectively go damn, Like Caitlin, she did
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: a great job. It was live, there's no there's no
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: margin for error, and she crushed it. Um, I didn't
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: watch you know, So what do you think then, unless
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: what do you think I want? You're honest opinion? Well,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I think you make I mean great points, and I
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: do want to reiterate like Caitlin crushed it and and
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I I am the same as you where I watch
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: it and I go, could I have done this? Can
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I do this? And I honestly sat and watched Caitlin
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: and I said, I I don't know, like I, I
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: she did great, and that might be where I would
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: have fallen short. But maybe I wouldn't have I maybe
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: could have done it well. I thought a few things
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: sood out to me. One Jesse was barely shown. I know,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: he makes his big announcement. I know, he comes out
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: and says, Hi, I'm your new host, and i was
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: a bachelor long ago and I've never been to this
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: mansion and all that stuff the way I'm married now, Yeah,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I'm married, so just to be clear, like this is not,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: you know, my dating contest. And then we didn't really
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: see him. And in past seasons, like Chris, especially during
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: the first episode, he would disappear kind of as a
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: season went on, he would really dig in to the
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: conversations with the bachelor, he would really set up the
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: season for us. And I felt like, you know, this
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: was I don't even know if we need a host
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: during this episode. I don't know if any point a
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: host was necessary. Uh. You know, Jesse is talented, he's
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: a professional, and I think they I mean I would
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: have to think at this point they chose him, if
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: this is the role he's gonna play with the limit
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: amount of airtime, he has because they think he's a
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: good face of the franchise. But that's it. But but
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: it's not. But it's not that. I mean you and
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I don't if you're only going to be shown for
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: a few minutes and you're gonna read off a teleprompter
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: and you're gonna talk to Clayton and say, hey, are
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: you excited? Are you ready? Can we do this? Here's
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the girls? A lot of people can do that job.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: And so I don't even know if I could fairly
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: judge him as a host because it's just like a
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: lot of people can do that what he did last night. No,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I I completely agree. It's to me, it's just like
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: what they aired is. I mean, I I guessed as
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: much when I was like, what what role is Jesse
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Palmer going to play? And I kind of jokingly said,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: he's going to be there to remind he's gonna he's
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Jesse Palmer is gonna like for the people who can't count,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: remind him how many roses are left? Like that's gonna
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: be his job. And that seems like you're right, I
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: think like that's and maybe he will grow into it.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: It's disingenuous. So he's like you're not alone. I'll be
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: there for you. And I hope I'm wrong, but I
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: don't think there's gonna be a moment where like Jesse
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Palmer is really like sitting down with him and offering
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: like some insight and and like how to like process
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: these emotions. I think they actively got away from the
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: mental role that was Caitlyn and Tasha. Like again, I
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: thought Tasha and Clayton both did a great job. I
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: thought it was clunky to have to you know, we
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: didn't get to see Tasha a f R. But I
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: think part of the reason why Caitlyn shine too because
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: it was just her, you know. There definitely was like
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: this like let's make sure everyone has a word that
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: was that was clunky. So but it would have been
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: nice to see like Caitlyn put her own spin on it,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: or Wells put his own spin, or myself or you Ben.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: And it seemed like to me, just like you said,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: it was just like just go to your best version
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: of Chris Harrison and go sit down. It was like
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I mean all that being said,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think you know, Caitlin Tasha, I don't think
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: it like do you know it's not why we watched.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: It's not you know, if they if they casted any
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: of us to host The Bachelor, it's not why they're watching.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They're watching for Clayton and
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the love story. So let's remember that, Like, it's not
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: about the host. Um. But I think you know, of
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: course we're going to critique it when you have Chris
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Harrison be the host for so long and then your
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: choice to replace him is as someone who was the Bachelor,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: but someone who really hasn't been a recent bachelor, and
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: it looked like they hire a football commentator to host
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: The Bachelor. They looked so similar next to each other too. Um,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I think he just went like he did fine. I
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: was like, it just seemed like, yeah, well, I mean
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: you just made I think the one comment that I
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: was interested in watching for as somebody that you know,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: obviously I would have loved too. I actually wanted the
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Senior Citizen Show. I thought, I I just think that
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: would be the most fun job ever. But oh my god,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: that too. I think it's unclear. I mean, they've been,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: they've been what seems to be from me, it seems
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: clear that they are not not committal, But I think
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: they have every intention of just making Jesse the permanent
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: host for all things Bachelor, like I think, but I
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I think they are waiting because they don't need to like,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: they don't need to commit to that now. So let's
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: just have them host Clayton. See like, what's up hid
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: them do the Barren minimum and you know, go from
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: there but my and and back to my point and
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: we can close this thought here is you said it.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Jesse Palmer did his best Chris Harrison impression, and that's
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: not like, that's fine. It works if if we believe
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: the only way to host this show is how Chris
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Harrison hosted it, how he evolved as a host, how
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the show evolved around him, if the things he said
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: were just spot on, perfect and iconic and everlasting, and
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: if he should stand out on the wet pavement and
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: welcome the Bachelor in and then say here's your ladies
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: and show up again with the last and final rows.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: If that is the best way to do this, then
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Jesse did a great job. But I thought, hey, you
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: you're changing up the show a bit. You have a
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: new no matter if you like it or not, you
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: have a new opportunity to change up how this show functions.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: And I really thought I was watching Chris Harrison last night,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: or like some guy trying to play him, And that's
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: just weird to me. Yeah, that's why it was weird
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: because that's exactly what it looked like. It looked awkward
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: because it wasn't like, hey, this is a new person
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: within slightly new vibe. They're not the focal point of
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: the show. They're not the main character. They are the host,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: let's remember that. But it was like Chris Harrison got
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: kidnapped and they're like they found like this most suitable
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: replacement and threw him in there. So I don't know, Listen,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna affect the show whatsoever. Um, it is
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: what it is. We're just a bunch of people they
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: didn't pick who are probably assaulted and talking. Um. But
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I know, But but I don't even like, I want
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: to be clear, I like Jesse. He's a professional host,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: like he's of course, there's no like awkward watching him
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: at all. It's an absolute he's an absolute pro. You know,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: he's he's a very polished, seasoned host. And I think,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: to your point, Ben, this is a show about relationships
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: and we're two now relationships are coming more involved, and
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: we're having conversations about like what gas letting is and
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: love bombing, etcetera, etcetera, and accountability and emotional intelligence. And
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: it would be nice to have a host at either
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: mentors or helps facilitate or drive those conversations. And it
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they have any intention of having their hosts.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I'll let Jesse Palmer do that. Well said, Hey, can
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: we pause here for one second, take a break, and
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: we'll come back with the batchel Rika. Alright, So let's
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: just start with the women, because you know, we see
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: the standard blah blah blah. I'm going home. I'm gonna
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: show my mom that I'm the bachelor, and then I'm
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: gonna like talk about how I all I want in
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: life is to get married and have kids and all that,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: and then we we we get it to the girls.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Who stands out to you amongst the girls? For me,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: even before Teddy got the first impression Rose, she was
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: one that caught my eye. So was the girl from
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: like that was the former Miss Virginia USA? Who else?
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I mean Teddy? I know you mentioned Teddy and I
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: know you said who else, But like, if the producers
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: are doing their job, and we know they're good at
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: doing their job, is there anyway she doesn't go to
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: the fantasy suite. Oh no, she's absolutely doing the fantasy suite.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: This is what I have a theory on. I'm actually
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: very very interested in what you guys think. So once
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: she talks about her virginity and the fact that she's like,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: you know, this is a decision that I made, but
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not like super stuck to it. I won like
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: totally related and I and then she said something about
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: going into the fantasy and being totally cool with going
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: into it. Um my thought, now, is that that teaser
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: that we see about him having to reveal that he's
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: intimate with like all the women that he goes into
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: the fantasy with. It's just now it all makes sense
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: as to why he would have to for some reason
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: announce this. I mean, I mean, uh, Teddy has got
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: to be the winner or the next pascherette. I don't
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: see any other scenario. They're all both good, amazing stories,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: like very like the virgin goes in a version who's
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: willing to have sex? Oh my god, what a dread
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: you had? The chance, but whatever, you and kristin vibe
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: and let me ask you this, actually someone who like
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: was was a virgin because not because of religion, but
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: because you wanted to have a special moment if you
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: and Chris Soul's vibe. And I know that's kind of
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: a weird question because you're pregnant with Jared's kid at etcetera.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: But like, mentally, were you prepared to lose your virginity
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: in the fantasy suite if you were falling in love,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I would have done stuff. I don't think I would
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: have gone all the way when I knew that there
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: were two other women involved, All right, fair enough. Yeah, Well,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: the fact that Teddy seems to be uh and you know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: we don't know that for sure, but seems to be
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: oh my god, like like Teddy, she's cool though she's
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: like waste so longer than I was. Yeah, she's she
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: seems very self confident, which is great and easy to
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: talk to. Awesome. But yes, having a a self proclaimed
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: for virgin lose the virginity on the Bachelor and having
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor and be like, yeah, yesterday, I also had
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: sex with Janice or whatever. Um, Like, oh my god,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: that's amazing and if he doesn't pick her, uh, what
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: an amazing story if your next batch shorette, Like I
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: lost my virginity on this show only to have my
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: heart broken, It's awesome. It's like you that is such
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, like you don't even need a good bachelor
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: with a storyline like that. And I don't know if
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Clayton is gonna be a good bachelor. I mean it
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: depends on. Like I think Peter Webber was a good
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: bachelor for the reasons we just talked about. Because Peter
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: gave us great TV. You know, he got he got it,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: he got this, destroyed that. Poor dude was just not
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: ready for the Clayton looks like he might get the
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: story too down there. Yeah, but you know what good
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: you know what's good for Peter, and I hope the
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: same for Clayton is Peter doesn't give a you know,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: like he is and I give that like Peter's like,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I'm good looking enough, I'm six to I fly planes,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I'm good man like I I've like Peter knows how
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: to appreciate the small things and he doesn't sweat other
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: small things, or maybe he he appreciates the big things
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: in life. And I don't. But Peter is just fine.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Uh And I hope to same for Clayton, because you're right,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: he he is going to be He's gonna be put
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: through it many well. I mean, the one thing they
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: have in common is they both love their moms. So
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: we'll see how much of a storyline it becomes of
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Clayton's mom. I you know, I'm I'm with you both.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Where Teddy really stood out to me. I hope that
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Teddy walks out of this and the story isn't of
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: her getting really hurt by Clayton. I hope she's the
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: next bachelorette and the story is twisted and turned a
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: little bit um because it's just actually, you could answer
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: this to me. It just seems like it would be
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: so emotionally difficult for a virgin to also have that
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: be the topic of conversation amongst everybody for months that
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: you're maybe the bachelorette, for months after the show, for
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: months during the show. I don't know how a huming
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: who's not you to this world can walk out of
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: that unscathed emotionally. I mean, I don't know. I'll say
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I'll be super honest here. I think if it's not
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: for religious reasons, and she really did have feelings going
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: into it. Given the bachelor ate role is pretty good
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: compensation fair enough, that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, listen,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: we're all a little screwed up after going on this
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: shop like it is what it is. And also Teddy
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: in her intro package was like, hey, producers, by the way,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I'm about to give you a gift. I'm ready to
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: have some sex, you know, Like she was offering this
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: up like I don't. Teddy knows why she's there. She
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: seems like an intelligent woman. Um, there's a lot of
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: people out there that save it for a long time,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: then they end up regretting it and ta get over it.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: And I think that she's gonna be fine. I think
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Teddy's well aware of the opportunity in front of her
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: and she if listen, she's a genius. Most of us
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: lose our virginity on some I'm like, you know, we're
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: backseat of a car. Or for me, it was like
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: out in the woods on a hill, falling the skido.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: But it's it's awkward, it's weird, and Tenny's about to
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: leverage the first time she's had sex on National television
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: and and most likely leverage into like some sort of career.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, she clearly knows what she's doing, you know
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like it was such a like very
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: staged thing on her intro package. She's no dummy. I
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: bet she watches this show and I have no problem
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: with whatsoever we're about. So like, watch what I'm assuming.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: It's very entertaining, and yeah, they're gonna use it against
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: her for sure on some level, but they will award
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: her in spades going forward. So like she's gonna be
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: just fine. She'll be a name. Remember I want I
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: want to bring up a name here because we saw
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: a little bit of her. I think she's gonna become
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: the villain of the season. That's my guest right now.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Her name is Nay. I think was was her name?
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Uh Nay. Even in her intro package, had was hinting
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: at the fact that, you know, we seed every sea
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: and nobody's gonna stop me. I'm gonna go after this thing.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna compete, I'm gonna win. And we we see
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: even a little since when she walks into the House
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: of the Girls, already a little upset with her because
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: of her entrance. What was her entrance? She drove over
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: somebody's Yeah, they were being that was so silly for
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: them to be, like, a how offensive that she rolled
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: over the toy. Yeah, so this brings me my question.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: You know, we see the drama already starting to get
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: hinted at. It's great. We know this season is gonna
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: be full of drama because this episode ends with one
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: of the girls going, this is the most beautiful supportive
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: group I've ever been around. And you're like, just wait,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: like this is gonna twist and turn fast. Who do
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: you believe is going to kind of come up from
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: the ashes and really cause the drama this season? Do
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: you get a hint? Uh? It's hard to say. I
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean based off the super cheese and
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: the little entrances, but I always kind of reserved a
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: right to, you know, let things play out. They usually
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: tend to surprise us, you know, they don't want to
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: of everything away episode one. I think it's easier to
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: figure out who your final four is in the first
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: two episode than is the villain. Um. My guess is, like, listen,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: if it's an entertaining season, they'll have multiple villains, you know,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I think they're kind of past the day where they
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: have this like you know, the Olivia from your season
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: and again not not a reason a villain life where
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: they like they really beat up on one person and
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: call them your call them their villain. Um, I think
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have. I think it's just gonna be a
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: bunch of women being caddie and fighting, and you'll have
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: a handful of villains. Um. You know. Like remember like
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: on Peters season is a perfect example, like we all
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: thought Hannah Ann was going to be the villain silly,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: you know, and and for like three episodes and then
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: like in life, she's the sweetest and she was the
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: last thing from a villain. She ended up winning, you know.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Um you know Chelsea, you know again like not a villain,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: but just dramatic, you know. So what I think it's
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: gonna be more out just dramatic moments and women fighting
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: more than like you know, like Olivia from your season
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: villain type of thing. Yeah, that seems to be the
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: pattern over the past couple of seasons that it's kind
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: of like a weekly villain versus yea, which a continuous villain.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I like a lot more because you have more compelling
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: characters and it shows like, you know, we everyone everyone
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: goes on the show can be a villain in a
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: hero Tyler Cameron could have been an amazing villain, you
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, um, it just does. It's
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: as we're all humans, are complicated humans with layers that
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: we go on a show and they choose to oversimplify us.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Ben Higgins could have been a villain. It was had
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: harder with Ben. It's possible, you know, you know, uh yeah,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: it's just um. So I like this weekly version where
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: they can show you know, people, it's essentially people having
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: good days and bad days, and that's more interesting to
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: watch for me. Now if you had I didn't answer
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: the question because I thought watching this that like, if
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: we were going to have an ongoing villain, it was
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: going to be Sally. So let's talk Sally for a second.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Sally is the previously engaged girl who we touched on
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: earlier in the episode, Like, so you do think she'll
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: be back? So last week, if you guys listened, you
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: think you think she'll be back for Paradise. I think
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: she's come back this season. That's finish, Okay, okay, So
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: last week I said on the podcast, Um, I believe
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: that this girl was engaged so recently as of the summer,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Like I think she had a bachelorette party over the summer,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: and she keeps talking about, you know, being there on
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: the set now during the day of her wedding, I
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: and she said like I have been previously engaged, or
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: like she was very egg about the timeline, right. Um.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: I also know that the girls didn't know that Clayton
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: was the Bachelor until like pretty much like everything was
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: signed and they were like flying out. So I feel like,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: what if she really did dump her fiance for going
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: on to the Bachelor, but then realized it was Clayton
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: and was like, Okay, maybe this isn't a reason, Maybe
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: this isn't good enough for me to leave this guy
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: at home. I'm also just like throwing things out there.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: My sister, she's this guy. This girl, Sally is from Virginia.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: My sister is a hairdresser. She hears all the gossip.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: She knows one of her clients is no Sally, and
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: apparently Sally is now back together with her fiancee, So
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: so what's up? Did it seems like she may have
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: just showed up, got cold feet about doing the Bachelor thing,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: realized that this isn't better than just being with the
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: guy that she was with. Well, yeah, you bring up
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of things. Let's unpack it. Um I didn't
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: know that stuff, right, you know. Uh, on face value,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I think the show did her like they did her
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: a solid because if you're her fiancee, you can lie
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: to yourself after watching this, because you know, she's like
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: she needed, like she needed to meet Clayton, and even
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: though she called him hot, she was like, you know,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: I know, I'm good. Like, you know, if Tyler Cameron
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: was the Bachelor, I wonder if she would still being
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: getting you know, gotten back. I don't know. Um uh
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: you know, so like why did you need to meet him?
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: You know, she literally said I wanted to meet him?
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: And despite her being like you're so hot, she was like, yeah, no,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: I'm good. She was like I'm showing up to say goodbye,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Like why are you saying goodbye to somebody that you've
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: never met? Just leave? Yeah? Well that was the producer
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: is being like you should beat it before you quit,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: um is my guess. And and and of course it
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: was such an amazing It was like the best scene
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: of this episode, and it told us everything you know
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: about the season. Um, yeah, that's all true. It's certainly
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: the timeline adds up to her. I mean speaking like
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: big picture, like if this was like someone calling it
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: an ethnic episode. She did not break up with him
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: to go in the Bachelor. She broke up with him
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: because deep down she knows that this isn't her guy,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: and The Bachelor was an amazing opportunity and and what
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: a great rebound to not getting married. And I guess
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I I actually applaud Sally for regardless of whether she
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: was in the Clayton or not, because like, I mean,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: let's be real here, like, um, I like I loved
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: who who's the girl? Who's the second girl who broke
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: up with Clayton? Oh my god, she was amazing. That
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: was amazing. It is the best. That was my favorite
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: part of the episode. She was hilariously real. And every
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: episode of The Bachelor, Oh Ben, he's amazing. Oh Nick,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: you're amazing. The thirty women and not show up in
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: my season, I'll think I was amazing, you know what
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I'm saying like that, and like like there's like at
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: least one girls, like you know, what not, my guy,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I'm good, you know. And and so I actually give
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Sally credit for you know, whether she's in the clan
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: or not. She could have been like I'm gonna get
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: followers or whatever or just be on TV. And you know,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but like she you know, if if, if,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: what you're saying is true. I know, and I was,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: I want to reiterate it could be hearsay. Um, you know,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: you do open yourself up to this when you sign
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: up for the show. Another question that I have is
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: if you were going to get married in September, when
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: did you sign up for the show or she kind
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: of been scouted last second? I mean, uh Ben Ben
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: m Ben from the other Ben the guy was like
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: casting a week before filming or something like that. Um,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: so it's possible. Um, but listen big like life life advice,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Like I don't these two should not be dating anymore. Yeah,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: let's move on. You know, I'm not trying to blant
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: point fingers or who's right or who's wrong. But you
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: broke up for a reason, and good for you for realizing.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I just don't like, how do you sell that I
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: went on the Bachelor? It made me realize I needed
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: to marry you, like I don't know, I don't to here.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Here's here's what I'm saying. Either she broke up with
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: him to go on the Bachelor, and that's just shallow
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: and she only to realize like Clayton TV followers, whatever,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go back to the guy that I
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: initially broke up with. She supposedly an orthopedic surgeon. Whatever,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, it has nothing to do with that.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: But what I'm saying like, or she broke up with
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: them because their relationship, you know, because they you know,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: they they weren't compatible, you know what I'm saying, Like
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: deep down she was like orthopedic surgeon or not not
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: my guy, and the Bachelor was the catalyst, you know.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: The Bachelor was like, you know, my first relationship. I
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: broke up with her finally after seven years of off
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: and on because I met someone else and I needed
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: I needed that push, so to speak. And we've all
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: been there. So I hope it's the latter and not
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: the former, because that would be of her. That would
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: be you know, to break up with someone to go
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: on a TV show, break up with your engagement or
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: can't slow wedding. So I think it's a really bad
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: look if they're back together. Uh, but what I saw
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: on TV, I actually felt for her and I thought
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: that was a genuine moment. Uh, the ears the truth
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: that we probably won't hear much about it from here
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: on out. I don't think that. I mean, unless she
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: shows back up. I think this is it's coming gone.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: But it was a really interesting scene. And Nick, I
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: like that, you say, you know, it told us everything
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: we need to know about this season and how Clayton
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: was gonna handle situations. I I watched Sally, I was, um,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: you know, a little very judgmental before this episode, knowing
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: she was on it, being like, I know the backstory
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I've read the articles. This is ridiculous.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: How in the world is this gonna play out? What
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: is she doing? And after watching her, I said, Okay,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: I get it. Like, maybe not the best decisions she's
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: ever made. She might not be thrilled that she's on
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: national television doing this, but I get it. And it
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: relationship moved on the Bachelor's awaiting and so and then
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: she decided she needs to leave that she can't even
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: do it. I get it. Totally good. Um. I want
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: to bring up before we let Nick go here once,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: somebody did stand as to me that I think is
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: going to be a front runner this season, and I've
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: actually put her up with the Teddy camp on possibly
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: the next Bachelor at Uh. I don't think she got
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: enough air time, but I do believe we'll see more
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: of her. It's Susie from Virginia Beach. That. Yeah, I
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: think she stood out. I thought she handled herself well
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: and it felt like we saw just enough of her
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: to know that we need to start paying attention to
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: her as the season goes on. Well, she seems like
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Kylin to me. I mean, first off, she is Miss Virginia.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Klin was from Virginia, was miss Um North Carolina, USA.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Just similar vibes. Um also a little Hannah Brown like
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like the two of them were to
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: meet each other. Uh yeah, I definitely see her getting far.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Oh we'll see Nick anything. Uh yeah, I could see her.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: She she only has a bachelrette. Look for sure. She
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: seems like she's gonna be around for a while. Um yeah,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: because it kind of has like a eventually unproblematic vibe
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: to her. I'm also I think I think Rachel. I
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: think we'll see more of I think she will be involved. Um,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: I can see her being Top four h Sarah based
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: off the Supertees, which is risky to based on anything
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: off the Supertees seems like she Clayton says, I'm in
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: love with her? Who are to her? I think there's
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of editing in the Supertees? Was there at
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: the end, because I remember we we talked about like
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: does the bachelors spoil their own ending? You know, that
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: was one of our headlines a couple of weeks ago.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Now that I'm watching these, I think that there is
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: so much editing with that, like final of course, I mean,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: they make it seem like Teddy's on the Final three.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: And again I know exactly the producers all deserve to
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: be fired if she's not. And again, the only way
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: she is not in is if she leaves on her own.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: And if she lives in her own, she lives in
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: her own. There's nothing you can do about it. Okay, Well,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: leaving on your own. Let's wrap up the like our
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: our recap with leaving on your own. Claire left on
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: her own. He liked to do a little twist there
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: and said I sent her home, but she was not
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: interested at all, and I'm pretty sure she would have
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: not accepted his rose. I love Claire. Yeah, I wish
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: she was around a little bit longer, Like if they
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: if they could have just found out a way to
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: keep this from Clayton, and we get to see this
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: for two weeks that she does stick around for whatever
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: reason because she just wants to have a good time
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: and she just totally disrupts the everything. It would have
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: been amazing television. But she was good television for one
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: episode and she was honest, and you saw it in
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: that date, Like I mean Nick and Ashley, you both
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: get this moment that they had right you are it's
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: night one or it's two weeks in through because there's
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of people to tell you you're talking to somebody,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: and somebody else comes up after spending let's say, ten
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: minutes with that other person, which is a long time
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: on night one to spend with one one person, and
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: somebody comes up and says, hey, can I interrupt you
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: for a second, And you, as the bachelor or you
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: as a contestant, you want to say yeah, like you
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: can because I know how this works like there's a rhythm,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: there's a flow. We gotta keep going here. And then
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: you always have that one person that's like disappointed, mad
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: at you for leaving, thinking it's personal. That's what happened
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: in that moment. I felt for Clayton. But Clayton just
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: need to put it. I mean Clayton just kind of
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: like walked away. What he needed to do is be like, hey,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who talk to you. I've
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: enjoyed this day with you. If he did, this has
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: been fun for me. But I gotta keep talk going.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: And he moves on and said he's kind of walks away,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: leaving her sitting there eating a chicken wing. No wonder.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: She's a little pissed, like, no wonder, She's like, there's
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: no connection here. He just totally dropped me. He wasn't
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: into her, she wasn't into him. And just a little
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: side note. Jill, who is from Rhode Island and who
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: have met a couple of times now, she worded it
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: to me when talking about the first episode without even
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: seeing it, that Claire left on her own. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Ben, I think you're being a little
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: hard uh on on Clayton in terms of you remember,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: like Night one is an absolute insane mass um. There's
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of conversations in the moment
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: where I wish, I like I would have said this
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: or would have said that, because I wanted to make sure,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, like, I think it's great
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: that she did that. I think I think to judge
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Clayton about how perfect response when you have thirty different
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: people grabbing at you is kind of insane expectation. So
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: to say that Clayton should have done something different, I
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: think would be unfair to Clayton. But at the end
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: of the day, she's like, let's think of that. She
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: wasn't vibing them, you know, it was not my guy.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: You know, She's just like she's not into him, and
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: instead of like sticking around and hoping to like be
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: on TV, she just opted to leave. So I applaud
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: her for that. But I think it would be unfair
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: to criticize that anything Caitlin Clayton did in that moment,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: you know, given how insane Night one is and that
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: one's insane, But I do I guess the way to
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: look at that is they were into each other if
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: he was really into her, he would have made sure
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: she knew that before he left. Like that that sure,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: but except can you imagine could you imagine? I don't
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: know, I I probably would fall a lowether or not that
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it out loud, but uh, what's what
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: was her? What was her name? Serene? Was it Serene? Yeah? Serene? Uh,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: maybe a potential villain by the way, but also like
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: stunning and uh, I'm really curious about learning more about her.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: But like she goes up to Clayton and she's like
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: the night one tattle Tale. She's like, oh, by the way,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: this girl's like saying somethings and I'm like, I'm not
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: sure you want to hear. And he's like like what
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: And she's like that she hates you, that you're too nice,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: that only these bad boys. Well, um, final girls to
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: go home. During this episode, uh, where Havanna, Jane and Haley.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Haley was a surprise to me more than any of
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: those others. I thought she was gonna be around a
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: little bit longer. I actually think on our previous episode
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: that we broke down the cast, I thought she'd be
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: around a lot longer. But those three go home and uh,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: and you know what we missed on this episode. Maybe
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: it's not a thing anymore. We missed the final exits
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: outside when the sun is up and they're so tired
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: and they're so angry, and they're just just want to
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: go home and eat. We don't have that anymore, and
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: those are some of my favorite parts. But we didn't
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: get to see. You know what that means, Ben, I
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: already have too much goodness. There we go. We'll throw
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: that in. You throw that in only when you don't
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: have enough. I will say. When it comes to first episodes,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: I was. I was intrigued. Ben and I are constantly
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: after the first episode being like, oh, it's always the same,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: it's so formula. There were nice little pops throughout this
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: episode between the Sally thing and the Claire thing that
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: really kept me engaged. Yeah, I can't agree. I would
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I didn't. For the first time in years,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: in years, I enjoyed Night one. I am excited to
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: watch this season. I'm excited to watch it for many reasons.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: I do think, Uh, Clayton is probably a really nice guy,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna be really hard for him.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: But I do think he's a nice guy. I think
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: that he was chosen because he's a nice guy. And
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: after talking to you guys during this episode, I get
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: why he was chosen because we need some mess It's
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: you know, Michelle was incredible, but she kept things under control,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: she kept people operating, and she kept things going forward,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: and at times maybe it did it a little boring
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: because she was so great at it that everybody knew
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: their role, they knew where they stood, and the drama
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: was limited. So this season it's gonna get messy. I
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: have to say one thing. I saw this meme a
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: couple of days ago that was, like, um, Michelle and
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: Nate got two hundred thousand dollars for their down payment
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: just because they followed the rules. Nick, any thoughts, Yeah,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: I think I actually mentioned that on the recap today too,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: because actually we didn't talk about in the finale. I
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: think they Yeah, I don't think it's a coincidence. I
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be the new norm. I honestly,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: to get it has everything to do with the fact that,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: like Michelle, uh is the first lead in a long
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: time where they truly believe that she like the being
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: the bat Trat wasn't like a new path for her.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: It was a small detour in her life. And she
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: has every intention of sticking it out in Minnesota and
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: staying in education and and not going on Dancing with
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: the Stars or not being an influencer. And I'm not sure.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: I'm sure. I hope she does take advantage of the
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: platform and make a little coin on the side, But
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: I think it has everything to do with you know,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: because that's the dream. Like in a perfect world, Mike Flies,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: every lead would just like stay in their hometown and
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: and and fall in love and that person would move
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: their hometown and buy a house and have babies and
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: and like that hasn't happened in a long time. And
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: you know, in the grand scheme of things, I don't
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: think two d dollars is a big deal to them,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: and I don't think it's gonna be the new norm.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: But I think it has everything to do with Michelle
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: and the choices she's made and throughout her filming and
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: more importantly, the choices she's made from filming on that
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: they they are rewarding her for not necessarily following all
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: the rules, but for being the kind of bat sharette
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: post filming that they've always wanted to have incredibly interesting theory,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: especially since they put it towards the home in Minnesota. Yeah,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: I bet there's a lot of stipulations about how it
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: has to it can be spent and things like that, right,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: and not towards a home in l a correct Good
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: for them though. Well, Nick, thanks for joining us today.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: You're always a delight, always a pleasure. Wishing the best.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: Thanks for your wisdom and your insight. Hope talk to
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: you again soon. Uh and please go check out Nick
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: on his podcast. Also go check out Nick on Instagram
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  Speaker 1: all the time, but especially on Sundays when you ask
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  Speaker 1: questions with Nick. Nick, thanks a lot, man, Thanks for
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  Speaker 1: having guys. Always a delight, fine Nick, so much fun. Alrightyebye,
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  Speaker 1: Well it's time for bachelor headlines. Yes, this week has
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  Speaker 1: some headlines, and the first one it's just a little
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  Speaker 1: interesting that get started. It's about Clayton, the Bachelor. Clayton
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  Speaker 1: promises viewers will learn why he told multiple women he
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  Speaker 1: loves them. This according to Variety, Yes, so, of course,
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  Speaker 1: this is something we've been talking about multiple times over
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  Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks, since we've seen the super
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  Speaker 1: tease and um, he says that you'll be hearing about
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  Speaker 1: this in interviews with Jesse Palmer. Um, he says, just
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  Speaker 1: give me a shot, wait and see, and I promise
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  Speaker 1: you'll have answers that you're looking for. I was able
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  Speaker 1: to speak with some Bachelor alumni on my journey, and
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  Speaker 1: they gave me great advice. I'm pretty sure he's referring
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  Speaker 1: to Jesse, but we'll see. Maybe there's more. Um he said,
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  Speaker 1: they gave me great advice because these people have been
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  Speaker 1: through it before. I'm really excited for everyone to see
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  Speaker 1: who those individuals were because their advice really helped shape
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  Speaker 1: the way that I did. Um approach some scenarios. Um okay,
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  Speaker 1: So basically he talked to people who said I love
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  Speaker 1: you to multiple people in the past. Perhaps Michelle seemed
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  Speaker 1: to embrace the fact that she did that and Um
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  Speaker 1: doesn't regret it. Maybe to have been Michelle, could have
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  Speaker 1: could have been you Ben, were you on this season?
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  Speaker 1: It didn't tell us say I'm I'm always around, I
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  Speaker 1: like to sneak around. I'm I'm there for it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: next timeline is this? This one's interesting to me. Ashley
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  Speaker 1: speaking to Michelle the Bachelor's Michelle Young and Nate reunite
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  Speaker 1: with her ex Joe Coleman. This according to E Joe Coleman, Joe, Oh, Joe. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Joe was of course third place guy, and they
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  Speaker 1: are from the same town, you know, the same city.
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  Speaker 1: And she said that, Um, she's run into Joe since
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  Speaker 1: the bachelor at has ended, which is interesting because she's
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  Speaker 1: supposedly it never you know, ratten into him previously because
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  Speaker 1: of the basketball community. But in this quote from E,
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  Speaker 1: she she is now running to into him because of
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  Speaker 1: the basketball community. She goes Joe and I, uh didn't
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  Speaker 1: leave on any bad terms. He's a wonderful person. Um Uh.
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  Speaker 1: He has a good head on his shoulders and and
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  Speaker 1: for that he wished me and Nate well. Nate and
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  Speaker 1: Joe talk. Joe is a good friend. You make friends
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  Speaker 1: on the show. It's interesting. Um, it's an interesting environment
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  Speaker 1: with ex boyfriends. But Rodney is also a good friend.
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  Speaker 1: Joe is a good friend. Um, They're coming to visit
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  Speaker 1: in the near future. It's all love. I will say this.
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  Speaker 1: The picture was like a little bit like you know,
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  Speaker 1: it got headlines. I think it speaks to the strength
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  Speaker 1: of Nate and Michelle's relationship more than anything. Oh good,
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  Speaker 1: good point. Yeah. I think if you can hang out
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  Speaker 1: with your ex, or if you can hang out with
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  Speaker 1: somebody from the show so quickly after the show airing
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  Speaker 1: and everybody's good. I just think it shows that, hey,
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  Speaker 1: Joe's are his places at and it's not with Michelle,
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  Speaker 1: and Nate knows here his places at and that's with Michelle,
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  Speaker 1: and Michelle knows where her place with Nate is. It
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  Speaker 1: just shows the strength of their relationship, which is something
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  Speaker 1: really incredible that is really good because not many leads
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  Speaker 1: would be so comfortable hanging out with their second runner
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  Speaker 1: up this soon after. And I said that it was
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  Speaker 1: because the basketball community brought them together. I actually think
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  Speaker 1: that was unrelated. She did say that we come from
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  Speaker 1: the same basketball community, but that's not why they've they've
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  Speaker 1: seen each other since. And I also think, yes, it
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  Speaker 1: speaks to the lead, but I also think it speaks
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  Speaker 1: to Nate because just coming from experience, Yeah, he's pretty
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  Speaker 1: secure and where they're at, And not a lot of
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  Speaker 1: contestants that were chosen would want to hang out with
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  Speaker 1: a top three person so quickly after the show. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and so you know, big on them well, here's one
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  Speaker 1: that I want to start by reading this headline by saying,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we love this person dearly and in something
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  Speaker 1: you know, in July of this year, I had a
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  Speaker 1: similar season of life that was difficult and uh, kind
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  Speaker 1: of confusing, and you don't always know where it comes from,
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  Speaker 1: and you work through it, and hopefully there is working
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  Speaker 1: through it. But I want to say that from both
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  Speaker 1: actually myself and almost from his family were really um
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: thinking about Demi. Demi wrote on her social media and
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  Speaker 1: this is the headline. Demi Burnett is having an emotional
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: breakdown every few hours, says her ego is livid. This
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  Speaker 1: according to US Weekly, and and before actually kind of
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: explains what's going on, I do want to say, um,
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  Speaker 1: we're rooting for you, Tommy. It sucks and it's hard,
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  Speaker 1: and there's not any platitudes I want to throw out
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  Speaker 1: here that will make this better or feel better. There's
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  Speaker 1: nothing that anybody can really say. I'm thinking, we're we're
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  Speaker 1: thinking about you because this is really difficult. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: really sad, and you know, we totally I mean, I
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: don't want to say that I can relate, but like
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I feel her, you know what I mean? So she says,
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  Speaker 1: I'm um, this is gonna be the hardest thing to
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  Speaker 1: ever post, and I'm so embarrassed, but I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: be real happy New Year. This is me. I'm not
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: doing anything to envy. I'm not happy, I'm not social.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: I'm constantly thinking and crying and trying to figure everything out.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Countless hours of blaming myself for everything that's caused pain.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't had a sip of alcohol in five months.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking to a psychiatrist on Monday. I'm having an
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: emotional breakdown every few hours. I'm feeling it pretty sty
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: and overwhelmed most of the time, but I know that
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  Speaker 1: I am growing. Even if it hurts, it is worth it.
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  Speaker 1: So sad, it is sad. My heart goes out to her.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's it is sad, but it's also very human
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  Speaker 1: and it's I appreciate her being so open and real
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  Speaker 1: about it. Yea many. I mean when I was going
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  Speaker 1: through in July, I've never felt so much support. But
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  Speaker 1: I've also never um felt so numb to the support
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: than when you're in that season. You know no better
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: what somebody says, no matter how many message you get.
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  Speaker 1: The only thing that ever held was when somebody would
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: look across table from me and say I'm in it too,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: or I've been there or me too. Just to know
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  Speaker 1: that you're not alone in it is it felt like
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  Speaker 1: the most helpful thing. And so I just want to
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  Speaker 1: say to anybody, if you get a chance, reach out
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: to Demi and let her know if you felt something similar,
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  Speaker 1: if you've been through a season of this, that she's
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: not alone, because she she will get through this. She's
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: a strong girl. But uh, Ashley, great episode, great first episode.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch next week. I'm actually excited to
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: watch The Bachelor, which doesn't always happen for me. Uh,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: I'm pumped up and uh and we'll see where it
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: goes from here. But we'll be breaking down Clayton's second
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  Speaker 1: episode of his season of the Bachelor next week right
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  Speaker 1: here on Almost Famous Podcast. Until then, I've been Been,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: I've Been Ashley. Hi. Follow the Benn and Ashley I
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