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Jags Drive Time: Thursday, August 19 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jacks Drive Time with Ashlyn Sullims with John
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Speaker 1: O'shans and Brian sexty Jacks Drive Time and starts right now.
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Speaker 1: work weekly, Mat Hokman, it is well, get go, Welcome
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Speaker 1: in Jaguars Drive Time on a Thursday morning. We're starting
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Speaker 1: to get into this regular season schedule, getting each to it.
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Speaker 1: I think we're on Wednesday next week week all right,
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Speaker 1: where Monday, Wednesday, Thursday? Write it down long time, yeah,
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Speaker 1: right before we start, before we start big things. I
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Speaker 1: know you wanted to say a little about John Pete,
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Speaker 1: who was a long time defensive court coach here defensive
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Speaker 1: coach with the Saints um he was the defensive coordinator
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Speaker 1: in two thousand two, which was Tom's last season. Hey, look,
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Speaker 1: you know and John and I've done this a long time.
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Speaker 1: You go through this league. You make friends, and then
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Speaker 1: friends leave and they go other places, and sometimes you
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Speaker 1: can't appreciate them until they're gone. And John's been gone
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Speaker 1: from here since two thousand two, so almost twenty years.
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Speaker 1: He lived in Jacksonville Beach for a long time. Used
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Speaker 1: to see him. He'd come down to games when he wasn't,
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Speaker 1: you know, intermittently coaching in different places. Um. But he
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Speaker 1: was always energy in the room. He was always that
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Speaker 1: guy who wanted to know how you were doing. And
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Speaker 1: he cared about the big picture. What are fans saying?
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Speaker 1: What you know, what's going on in the community. I
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Speaker 1: heard something about what happened, you know at this school
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Speaker 1: or that football game on Friday night? He cared, Uh,
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Speaker 1: And we're all richer having people like that in our lives.
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Speaker 1: So many condolences to the Peace family because John Peace
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Speaker 1: not always a terrific football player. At one point the
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Speaker 1: field at the University of Cincinnati was named in his honor,
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Speaker 1: but he coached with the Dome Patrol. John back in
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Speaker 1: the Saints days was really tremendous coach and tremendous person.
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Speaker 1: And sorry to see him leave. Yeah, he uh. In
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Speaker 1: the early days of the Jags, there was something about
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Speaker 1: the honestly the special on the field, and it was
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Speaker 1: also special for people because there was the interest was
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Speaker 1: so intense, and I was working for the newspaper at
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Speaker 1: the time, and you did stories on everybody because everybody
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Speaker 1: wanted to know anything about the Jags, and so you
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Speaker 1: got to know those guys. We were in Steven's point
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Speaker 1: with him. But the thing I remember about John is
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Speaker 1: he would uh roller blade around the stadium as his
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Speaker 1: work at and uh it was it was impressive because
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Speaker 1: he could rollerblade, and I Slyn once rollerbladed and is
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Speaker 1: that the past tense roller blade rollerbladed and was was
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Speaker 1: proud to have been able to make it for my
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Speaker 1: garage the five feet over to my pickup truck before falling.
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Speaker 1: So that was about the extent of my rollerblading. But
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Speaker 1: John could do it. And uh, kidding aside. He was
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Speaker 1: a guy who little offbeat, but he didn't really walk
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Speaker 1: the same walk as a lot of NFL coaches, meaning
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Speaker 1: you know, he was just sort of his own guy,
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Speaker 1: and I liked that about him, and he was one
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Speaker 1: of the people that made that time so special. We've
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Speaker 1: lost a couple of coaches from that stuff, like Mas
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Speaker 1: the offensive line coach. He called Michael the white receivers
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Speaker 1: coach John Peace now, and that's just tells you how
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Speaker 1: long a Jaguars had been going at this thing. But
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Speaker 1: John Peace was one of these guys who was not
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Speaker 1: scared of Tom Coughlin shrug it off. He was not
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Speaker 1: scared of him. So it was fun to watch. And
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Speaker 1: and when I saw that last night, it just come
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Speaker 1: took me back. And I'm sure some of our viewers
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Speaker 1: will remember John Peace and one of the good guys,
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Speaker 1: and those assistant coaches sometimes their name, they're not famous
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Speaker 1: people that get forgotten. I didn't want him to be
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Speaker 1: forgotten in Jaguars story. Very nice message, both you thoughts
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Speaker 1: and prayers to his family as we get into big things.
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Speaker 1: And big thing one is next New Orleans Saints preseason
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Speaker 1: game is next Monday night on the road. Is there
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Speaker 1: such a thing as a bounce back preseason game, because
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Speaker 1: this really does feel like that. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: that exists, but if it ever did, it's for the Jaguars.
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Speaker 1: They want to bounce back to second preseason game and
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Speaker 1: they want to see more from their offense, which leaves
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Speaker 1: us a big thing too, which is now in this moment.
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Speaker 1: Head coach Urban Meyer wants more from his team, specifically
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Speaker 1: the offense and what they show. So much. I hear,
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Speaker 1: we can't show this cat show this, can't show this cancer. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to get into it, but I want
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Speaker 1: to go some tempo on these to some certain things.
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Speaker 1: You'll see more of it as we get moving forward.
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't want what you saw is not
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Speaker 1: what we're gonna be, and I gotta get it. We're
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Speaker 1: right out of the shooting. I think sometimes coaches, we
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Speaker 1: can't we can't show this, we can't show that. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: why tell me, explain to me why? You know? So
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Speaker 1: I annoyed, which I'm the worst at up but not
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Speaker 1: all everything Well balance, they're big thing three is not
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Speaker 1: cut down Day earlier this week roster bringing down to
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Speaker 1: eighty five players. Tim Tebow being one of those players released.
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Speaker 1: Cutdown Day is always a tough day for any coach.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's special teams. You know you're this whole
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Speaker 1: roster management is really critical as we journey here and
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Speaker 1: in the next two weeks. You know offensive players that
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Speaker 1: you know two of the special teams phases are tackling
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Speaker 1: and you're never tackled. That's what I found myself and
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Speaker 1: I still find on myself, all of us. You know,
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Speaker 1: every every off day, we'll have a two to three
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Speaker 1: hour meeting about roster management when it comes down, because
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Speaker 1: we expect to be very good in a special teams,
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Speaker 1: the tight end positions. One of those tailbacks, if they
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Speaker 1: can't contribute on special teams, that's a tough go head
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Speaker 1: coach Urban Meyer explaining why Tim Tebow was not the
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Speaker 1: best fit at the tight end position will start right there.
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Speaker 1: It is um, it's you gave him a chance. He
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Speaker 1: did the best he could and it didn't work out.
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Speaker 1: Nothing ventured, nothing game. Yeah, And you know, you guys
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Speaker 1: know me, I'm a little bit of a cynic U.
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Speaker 1: I scoff at things. I'm known to scoff and I
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Speaker 1: was never a guy when Tebow was playing. Uh, when
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Speaker 1: you're trying to play quarterback, I didn't necessarily think he
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Speaker 1: was going to be a good quarterback. I was. If
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Speaker 1: there was pro Tim and anti team back in the day,
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Speaker 1: I probably sided with anti Tim, you know, but there
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Speaker 1: was nothing wrong with this. And the people who scoff
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Speaker 1: and make fun or whatever. Look, he gave it a shot.
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Speaker 1: It it's a ninety man roster. There was nothing wrong
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Speaker 1: with seeing if it would work. Uh, as long as
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Speaker 1: when it didn't work, they didn't let it linger and
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Speaker 1: locker room. The players were going, Hey, this is not
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Speaker 1: gonna where. This is a bad idea. So you know,
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Speaker 1: I guess the cynic in me tells the other cynics
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Speaker 1: just stop for a while. It's okay, move on. He tried.
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Speaker 1: He's by any measure, a good kid. They gave him
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Speaker 1: a shot. It didn't work out. I have to give
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Speaker 1: you a big picture, right, I mean, so this is
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Speaker 1: why so many people were polarized on and and we're
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Speaker 1: never surprised when we hear stories about about Tim Right. Um, so,
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Speaker 1: no players yesterday, no locker room. I escaped generally, you
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Speaker 1: guys know, sometimes I try to go to Daily Mass
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Speaker 1: at Immaculate Conception. So I did, and the priest there
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Speaker 1: is a long time Gator and a huge Tim Tebow fan.
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Speaker 1: So daily Mass the five minutes to share a message.
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Speaker 1: His was, I'm mad at the Jaguars for cutting Tim Tebow.
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Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there in my teal shirts. Right the
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Speaker 1: only guy I felt like I was the only person
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Speaker 1: there is He is just he is mad and he
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Speaker 1: was railing about it, and I'm thinking, really, this is
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Speaker 1: what we're doing. But he was. He's such a passionate
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Speaker 1: football fan on the outside, and he saw me there.
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Speaker 1: He just again, I don't know that he was directing
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Speaker 1: it to me, but it sure felt that way. That's
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Speaker 1: the sort of passion and Tim isn't even Catholic. It's
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Speaker 1: sort of passion that Tim Tebow drives. So we shouldn't
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Speaker 1: be surprised that there were people that loved it and
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Speaker 1: people that hated it. But Tebow time had its moment,
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Speaker 1: and now it goes back to him doing the great
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Speaker 1: things that he does off the field. Right, and head
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Speaker 1: coach Omra, when you look at it, did the right
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Speaker 1: thing because it could have been where he has the
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Speaker 1: relationship with him and he keeps him here. But when
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Speaker 1: you look at it and it's a strictly football decision,
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Speaker 1: I don't understand how people who say they're Jag Wars
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Speaker 1: fans can be upset with that because it's impacting the team.
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Speaker 1: Everybody was, you know, there was this fear of, well,
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Speaker 1: he's not going to be able to see it because
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Speaker 1: he likes Tim so much. You know what, urban also
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Speaker 1: likes winning, so he wasn't going to keep somebody if
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Speaker 1: he didn't think he was going to be a good
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Speaker 1: football move. I thought all along this was a much
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Speaker 1: I never thought it was particularly a distraction like people
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Speaker 1: talked about. I don't think there's any harm in it. Uh,
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Speaker 1: it's over a move on. Okay, speaking and moving on.
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Speaker 1: We'll move on to big thing too, which is speeding
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Speaker 1: up this offense showing more in the preseason. It's a balance.
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Speaker 1: You could hear from head coach Urbamier that he was
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Speaker 1: a little frustrated with finding that balance. So I think
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Speaker 1: we can expect for the second preseason game you're going
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Speaker 1: to see more from this offense. We just don't know
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Speaker 1: how much. I think it's been a little bit of
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Speaker 1: a um confusion here about what Urbans talking about. I
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Speaker 1: took this to mean, not necessarily that he wanted to
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Speaker 1: see more wrinkles offensively, he wants to see more urgency offensively, um,
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Speaker 1: and and he wants to see them get to the
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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Quicker. Uh that pot We all saw
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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer offenses in college. They moved quickly, they moved efficiently. UM.
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Speaker 1: I think some people took that as what they're gonna
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Speaker 1: show all their trick plays. You're gonna show every formation
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Speaker 1: that they have. I didn't see it that way. I
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Speaker 1: think you will definitely see them trying to get the ball,
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Speaker 1: snap quicker, trying to just play with more hop not
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Speaker 1: necessarily more wrinkles. Well, I mean you said, I know,
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Speaker 1: I can add a lot intensity, urgency, energy, all of
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Speaker 1: those fit. He wants to see them be more efficient.
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Speaker 1: He wants to see them do what they do and
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Speaker 1: just keep moving along. I know he he told you
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Speaker 1: right there in the sound by that he's the worst
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Speaker 1: among coaches when it comes to be paranoid of showing things. Right.
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Speaker 1: He's not gonna show you all that much more. But
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Speaker 1: if you have ten plays, he wants to see all
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Speaker 1: ten of them run like that play one play, to
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Speaker 1: play through it and just go right through it. And um,
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Speaker 1: it just seemed a little hurky jerky the other night.
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Speaker 1: Seemed a little you know, start and stop. It's in
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Speaker 1: and you could expect that from a first preseason game.
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Speaker 1: When I when he did expect it. Yeah, when he
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Speaker 1: said that in his press conference, though, I caught myself
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Speaker 1: when he was saying, we're going to work on this
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Speaker 1: in practice there's going to be urgency and practice. And
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Speaker 1: I thought to myself, this is the most urgent I've
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Speaker 1: ever seen a training camp practice. How can you make
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Speaker 1: it more efficient? But we did see that this week.
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Speaker 1: It was taken to the next level, and I didn't
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Speaker 1: even know that was possible. Yeah, there was definitely an urgency, Brian,
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Speaker 1: you can speak this as much as I can. On
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Speaker 1: uh last day, we're right there. Tuesday, much more fiery, right, Well,
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Speaker 1: that was made possible by Monday's practice where it was
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Speaker 1: it was. I saw guys as we were standing there
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Speaker 1: getting ready to do some interviews, I saw at least
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Speaker 1: three offensive linemen come off the field looking pained, right
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Speaker 1: because and and we you know, ostensively we picked on them.
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Speaker 1: Everyone was pointing the finger at them, um, and so
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Speaker 1: you know, they worked harder. But it wasn't just the
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Speaker 1: offensive linemantil Monday. They have this intense session Tuesday, the
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Speaker 1: intensity came from the players, not the coaches. That was
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Speaker 1: that was the transition there. Monday, it was the coaches. Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: it was the players for sure. And intense week of
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Speaker 1: practice that continues today. The Jaguars back on the practice
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Speaker 1: field today and tomorrow before getting ready to fly to
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Speaker 1: New Orleans for that second preseason game. When we come
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Speaker 1: about Jack's Drive Time. It is a Thursday morning as
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars get ready to be back on the practice
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Speaker 1: field after a player day off. Getting ready for that
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Speaker 1: second preseason game on Monday night on ESPN. We have
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Speaker 1: a new segment for you on Thursdays. We're innovative, creative,
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Speaker 1: bringing new ideas. It's called this or that. Two scenarios.
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Speaker 1: What do you pick this or that? I'll go first,
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Speaker 1: going with the wide receiver. It's kind of been my
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Speaker 1: thing lately of training campus. How are they going to
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Speaker 1: decide who gets the last spot in the wide receiver room?
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Speaker 1: Philip door Set or Jalen Camp take the seventh wide
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Speaker 1: receiver spot, because in my eyes, I think the first
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Speaker 1: six are locked in. DJ Chark, Colin Johnson, Marvin Jones, Laviska,
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Speaker 1: Chanal La Kwan treadwill gotta have a spot for jamal
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Speaker 1: A Knew. That's six seventh a lot. But you gotta
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Speaker 1: pick one of these guys, and I think I'm going
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Speaker 1: Philip door Set. Do you take the speedy for age
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Speaker 1: and acquisition or do you take the draft pick? In
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Speaker 1: my mind, Brian, I think Philip door Said has shown
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Speaker 1: more he's been He hasn't been practicing consistently until this week.
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Speaker 1: Didn't play in preseason game. Don't know if you will, um,
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Speaker 1: but every time you think I haven't seen much from him.
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Speaker 1: You hear from a coach, you know, you hear a
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Speaker 1: coach saying no, no. I like him like a speed,
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Speaker 1: like what he brings. He's a veteran guy. Um. Just
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Speaker 1: for the sake of this other side, I interviewed Jalen
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Speaker 1: Camp for a feature that's going to be up on
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Speaker 1: the website in the next day or two. UM. I
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Speaker 1: liked him a lot, you know, confident, smart kid played
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Speaker 1: at Georgia Tech. Came from a triple option offense, which
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Speaker 1: again they don't get many opportunities to catch the ball
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Speaker 1: when all you're doing is running. But played in the
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Speaker 1: spread his senior year and did a really nice job.
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Speaker 1: He's absolutely gonna be on the practice squad, I think,
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Speaker 1: because you've got a couple of big bodies up there,
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Speaker 1: it's harder to find the guy like Dorset with real
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Speaker 1: speed um as opposed to a Jalen Camp. But Jalen
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Speaker 1: Camp is a guy who's worthy of a practice squad
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Speaker 1: and might find his way to the active roster before
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Speaker 1: the season is done. Yeah, I would be stunned if
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Speaker 1: Philip dor stays now on the roster. I probably would
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Speaker 1: have if I was phrasing this question. I probably would
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Speaker 1: have had at Colin Johnson or Jalen Camp. I think
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Speaker 1: Dorset would be ahead of tread Well and Johnson from
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Speaker 1: what I've seen, went in what he's gonna bring it
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Speaker 1: only because of this ash. He's fast and this team
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Speaker 1: these coaches love speed. They brought him here for a reason.
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Speaker 1: Um So I definitely think Dorsett makes the team over Camp.
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Speaker 1: But I agree with Brian. I think the thing you
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Speaker 1: have to remember about this whole fifty three man roster,
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Speaker 1: we get so caught up in at n I do
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Speaker 1: two and we're gonna side there sixteen practice squad guys.
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Speaker 1: Most of these guys were talking about are also going
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Speaker 1: to be around. It's a sixty nine man roster in
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Speaker 1: reality this year. Yeah, And I catched myself. I was
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Speaker 1: thinking about Colin Johnson. But then you also think he
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Speaker 1: has something that the others don't have, which is that
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Speaker 1: big body he stands out. So you catch yourself. Okay,
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Speaker 1: can you really get rid of that? Absolutely? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I get stressed about it. I'm not gonna lie. Well.
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Speaker 1: You may keep you may keep fewer tight ends. You
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Speaker 1: may keep you running backs, you may keep fewer defensive backs.
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Speaker 1: You find a spot for Agnew if you as a
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Speaker 1: return man, and they're certainly going to do that. The
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Speaker 1: question mark becomes, do you find for an extra receiver
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Speaker 1: or not? We'll see, we shall see, all right, John,
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Speaker 1: you are up, I'm up, and uh, my obsession with
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Speaker 1: Walker Little continues. Um, Walker Little. Okay, we'll phrase it
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Speaker 1: this or that. Walker Little will work with the first
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Speaker 1: team or the second team on Saturday. Um, and I'm
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Speaker 1: couching this a little bit. The first team is coming
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Speaker 1: at some point, but I don't think it's coming this
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Speaker 1: week for him, because what Urban Meyers said about Walker
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Speaker 1: Little on Monday when he spoke the struggling with the hands. Uh,
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Speaker 1: the grades in the reaction from people who really watched
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Speaker 1: him play on Monday was not what sort of the
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Speaker 1: fans saw, and and even what I saw, I came
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Speaker 1: out of the game thinking they gotta put Walker Little
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Speaker 1: on the starting lineup. Talking to Tony Boselli on this
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Speaker 1: set on Monday, he said, Hey, he's going to be
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Speaker 1: really good, but his hands right now, his hand placement
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Speaker 1: is really an issue. May not be ready to start
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Speaker 1: right now. So it's coming. I don't think it's coming
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Speaker 1: this week. His rest for the first team, but we'll
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Speaker 1: see I've been wrong with four grin I I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I'll say second team only because the coach and Tony
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Speaker 1: both were on that side. But I called the game,
18:16
Speaker 1: so I couldn't follow what the left tackle was doing.
18:18
Speaker 1: But I do recall when I was looking down, he
18:21
Speaker 1: had his guy way out of the way. I think
18:23
Speaker 1: there's a really high bar that they want him to
18:25
Speaker 1: clear before they put him in, before they're completely comfortable
18:29
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18:30
Speaker 1: all of the things that they really don't like about
18:33
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18:35
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18:38
Speaker 1: the ones. And they're really in a mode of making
18:40
Speaker 1: these rookies are I mean, yeah, make him Trevor Lawrence
18:44
Speaker 1: didn't start and yet so I mean, yeah, Walk for
18:46
Speaker 1: a little sure, isn't Yeah. I just I get that
18:48
Speaker 1: sense that that that they are really gonna be But
18:51
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18:52
Speaker 1: one of your best five offensive lineman for sure. I
18:55
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18:57
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18:59
Speaker 1: little us how dare you I'm so not used to
19:02
Speaker 1: hearing these things something negative. Why is he's saying this?
19:05
Speaker 1: And maybe on the bust and can't get struggled with
19:08
Speaker 1: hand as a rookie? Right, all right, Brian, what do
19:12
Speaker 1: you got? Um? C J. Bethord to Gardner Minshew gets
19:16
Speaker 1: the number two snaps and you know, I mean, I
19:18
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be Minshew because of what we seem
19:20
Speaker 1: in the practice field. But look, if you're the coach,
19:23
Speaker 1: made a big deal when we first saw winners and
19:25
Speaker 1: losers day that you're charting and success. The chart is objective,
19:30
Speaker 1: well objectively, there's no competition. C J. Bethord was much better,
19:36
Speaker 1: much better than Gardner Minshew last week. So I think,
19:40
Speaker 1: you know, playing with your question, I think you should
19:42
Speaker 1: get snaps with the number two group against New Orleans
19:45
Speaker 1: on Monday night. Let's say you I think he probably
19:50
Speaker 1: will um, and he probably will yeah, And I think
19:56
Speaker 1: something intelligent to say, didn't have anything, but he he
19:59
Speaker 1: he looks so much better the other night. It was unusual.
20:05
Speaker 1: Gardner usually does not look the part as well as
20:11
Speaker 1: maybe a Trevor Lawrence is going to, but he usually
20:13
Speaker 1: plays better than that. So I do wonder if they
20:17
Speaker 1: will give him one more shot with that second team.
20:19
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if he if he is as unproductive
20:23
Speaker 1: again as he was the other night US. But I
20:27
Speaker 1: think you get I think it's only fair to see
20:29
Speaker 1: j to give him one. You know, I'd give him
20:31
Speaker 1: at least one series with the ones, maybe to start
20:33
Speaker 1: the second half. I I'm even talking about that. I
20:35
Speaker 1: don't even talk about thirteen of sixteen. I'm just talking
20:38
Speaker 1: about the arm talent actually do with his arm um.
20:42
Speaker 1: And look, we've known Gardner Minshoo does not have a
20:44
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20:46
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20:50
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20:52
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20:55
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20:57
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20:59
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Speaker 1: Brian sexon You're going cornerbacks that go with Sydney Jones. Um.
23:17
Speaker 1: You know we saw him last year emerge into the
23:20
Speaker 1: line of uh in Houston and made play after I
23:23
Speaker 1: think it four pass breakups in that one game last
23:25
Speaker 1: year in Houston in early October. So he will have
23:29
Speaker 1: people talking about him in twenty seventeen, Johnny Might McCall.
23:32
Speaker 1: He was thought to be a first round pick coming
23:34
Speaker 1: out of Washington, then he tore his achilles, and the
23:37
Speaker 1: Eagles still took him because of his potential in the
23:39
Speaker 1: second round. Um, I think you'll have people looking at
23:42
Speaker 1: him and talking, hey, there's the Sydney Jones has taken
23:45
Speaker 1: him a while that he won't beat out c J.
23:48
Speaker 1: Henderson Because as good as I think this kid is,
23:51
Speaker 1: he c J. Henderson has special skills and we saw
23:54
Speaker 1: a little bit of that last week against Cleveland. Um,
23:58
Speaker 1: but he might knowing how all this coaching staff wants
24:01
Speaker 1: people to earn the job, and with the COVID situation
24:04
Speaker 1: and them working to get c J back into the program,
24:08
Speaker 1: they might make him earn it and beats Sydney Jones out.
24:12
Speaker 1: And I think the Jaguars defense will be just fine
24:14
Speaker 1: with Sydney Jones for a time. Henderson is a better player,
24:16
Speaker 1: but Jones is a really good player in his own right.
24:19
Speaker 1: When I see Sydney Jones and I don't I have
24:23
Speaker 1: not studied him before he was injured. H They say
24:28
Speaker 1: the achilles is the injury, I'm like an a c
24:32
Speaker 1: L that you never quite get back from Achilles to
24:34
Speaker 1: where you might have been. If he was better before
24:41
Speaker 1: the Achilles, then he is now. Uh if he's a
24:45
Speaker 1: step slower because of that, Again, I don't know. Uh,
24:48
Speaker 1: Boy was he good? Because he makes players in the ball,
24:50
Speaker 1: he has instincts. He is impressive. I don't know. I'm
24:54
Speaker 1: sure he's not as fast as he was before, right,
24:56
Speaker 1: I'm sure the quickness is a little bit effective. The
24:58
Speaker 1: fact that he can still do it with all the
25:00
Speaker 1: problems he's had with that is impressive. Boy, what a
25:03
Speaker 1: player he could have been. In credit to him for
25:06
Speaker 1: coming back because that is a devastating injury for that position.
25:09
Speaker 1: Mike Ryan, who is a longtime athletic trainer here who
25:11
Speaker 1: now works for NBC, is their guy. Uh. He once
25:14
Speaker 1: explained it to me. The reason why the Achilles is
25:16
Speaker 1: so damaging is because of where it is, it gets
25:19
Speaker 1: the lowest amount of blood flow of any tendon in
25:22
Speaker 1: your body, and so the recovery is never quite as
25:24
Speaker 1: good as it might be for an a c L
25:26
Speaker 1: or shoulder tendant or something like that. But he he
25:29
Speaker 1: made a play on the ball in the end zone.
25:30
Speaker 1: He's impressive. He's he's a nice player. He he might
25:34
Speaker 1: be this team's best sort of street free agent signing
25:36
Speaker 1: in recent memory. Nice way to add it on. Very
25:39
Speaker 1: consistent guy, very reliable guy. I will say, all right, John,
25:42
Speaker 1: that was a he will, he won't, he might, he might. Yeah,
25:46
Speaker 1: that's impressive. With Chris Man hurts um and I feel
25:50
Speaker 1: like we've talked about him a little bit on this show.
25:52
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm repeating, but uh, he will be really important
25:57
Speaker 1: to this offense this year and uh he and he
26:03
Speaker 1: won't necessarily be that guy that Jaguars fans want a
26:08
Speaker 1: tight end. Everbody wants Travis Kelsey, everybody wants George Kittle.
26:12
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's going to be the devastating
26:15
Speaker 1: receiving target. That's not what he was brought in for.
26:17
Speaker 1: Really really really good blocker, but he might be a
26:21
Speaker 1: lot better than they thought. And I'm thinking he might
26:24
Speaker 1: catch six seven touchdowns. Um. He has more athleticism and
26:29
Speaker 1: more ability to you get the ball than I expected
26:32
Speaker 1: when I was reading about him, and and when I
26:34
Speaker 1: watched him in Carolina a little bit, I pictured sort
26:37
Speaker 1: of a big, hulking blocker type guy. He's got that
26:40
Speaker 1: in him. But this is not a guy who's lumbering
26:43
Speaker 1: around back there, so he may have just scratched the
26:46
Speaker 1: surface on what he can really do. So he played
26:49
Speaker 1: basketball at Canisius College in Buffalo, New York. And he's
26:53
Speaker 1: a power forward, so he knows how to use his body.
26:56
Speaker 1: And you talk about six or seven touchdowns. If he
26:58
Speaker 1: can learn how to do that in a football since
27:00
Speaker 1: and and you know post a guy up or you know,
27:02
Speaker 1: block him out with his body, Yeah, he might be
27:05
Speaker 1: able to do that. Urban Meyer told Bucky Brooks and
27:08
Speaker 1: myself last Friday in our Barquest production meeting. He just
27:11
Speaker 1: moves people. And he's one of those guys you think
27:14
Speaker 1: about guys they might rest at all in the preseason.
27:17
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys they think of him as
27:19
Speaker 1: being irreplaceable because you don't find big bodies like that.
27:23
Speaker 1: He was very, very impressive at the podium, talked about
27:26
Speaker 1: you know, Mercedes Lewis being someone gets studied and talked
27:28
Speaker 1: to um. He looks the part. What he does, he
27:31
Speaker 1: does exceptionally well and because of his athletic background, John
27:35
Speaker 1: I think he can get a lot better. He's made
27:36
Speaker 1: a couple of catches Ashland in practice that when you
27:40
Speaker 1: think of the lumbering blocking tight in and and we've
27:44
Speaker 1: all covered and seen that guy. He's made a couple
27:48
Speaker 1: of catches that those guys don't make, so it's there
27:51
Speaker 1: at least once or twice this year, he's gonna make
27:54
Speaker 1: catches where people say, why isn't he getting the You
27:56
Speaker 1: know he has that sort of potential. Uh. End The
28:01
Speaker 1: one he caught the other day was what really struck me.
28:03
Speaker 1: He caught one in the corner of the end zone
28:05
Speaker 1: where Trevor put it right only he could catch it.
28:08
Speaker 1: It was an athletic catch. It was an athletic catch
28:10
Speaker 1: towards his body. But it didn't look hard for him.
28:15
Speaker 1: You follow it like sometimes, if I'm not mistaken, players
28:18
Speaker 1: make athletic catches. You think, wow, he made that catch.
28:20
Speaker 1: I never do it again. This looked like something he
28:22
Speaker 1: can do a lot and be a thing for this tank. Well,
28:26
Speaker 1: you don't think of a guy that big being a
28:27
Speaker 1: toe tapper. But if I recall, if it's the same catch,
28:29
Speaker 1: he had to work to make sure both feet were ye, Yeah,
28:32
Speaker 1: he did a nice job. That was all I could
28:35
Speaker 1: think of when I saw that was that's what Urban
28:37
Speaker 1: likes about him, And I think it was a little
28:39
Speaker 1: unfair when he was brought him for free agency during
28:41
Speaker 1: his press conference, and whenever we talked about it, we're like, oh, well,
28:43
Speaker 1: he's only a blocking tight end. It was almost like
28:45
Speaker 1: the narrative was set for him when he walked in
28:47
Speaker 1: this building, and we never thought anything differently until he
28:49
Speaker 1: proved us wrong. He'll be a key player because if
28:51
Speaker 1: he helps them establish the run and set up play action,
28:55
Speaker 1: that is a quarterback, a rookie quarterback's best friend, the
28:58
Speaker 1: running game. I mean, it will make the quarterbacks so
29:01
Speaker 1: much better, which helps explain why he's such a cornerstone
29:03
Speaker 1: of what they want to do on offense. All right,
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Speaker 1: new starting middle linebackers. What would I say? Might he will?
29:22
Speaker 1: I'm making a statement it's darn too and he'll be
29:25
Speaker 1: the starting middle linebacker and he won't be the only
29:27
Speaker 1: guy who can contribute. I think suddenly, Quincy William Shakille quarterman,
29:31
Speaker 1: You're all of a sudden hearing a ton about them.
29:33
Speaker 1: This coaching staff seems to love the depth that's at
29:36
Speaker 1: this position, So I don't think the pressure is on
29:37
Speaker 1: him that he's the only guy that can contribute at
29:39
Speaker 1: this position. He might be the reason that Miles Jack
29:42
Speaker 1: takes even a bigger step forward. The past couple of years,
29:45
Speaker 1: Miles Jack has said it's so much press on him
29:47
Speaker 1: to get guys in line and worry about everyone else.
29:50
Speaker 1: This is a pairing that you feel really good about
29:52
Speaker 1: that both guys can do their job very solidly. Can
29:55
Speaker 1: I add it? He might? Sure, he might might, He
29:58
Speaker 1: might might might come a fan favorite fast because this
30:03
Speaker 1: guy hits. He is the thumper middle linebacker that you know,
30:08
Speaker 1: I'm not sure they've had since maybe pause. You know,
30:11
Speaker 1: I may be forgetting that. I don't come here in
30:14
Speaker 1: the pause pause really good, but um he the word
30:18
Speaker 1: on this guy and it's one of the first practice
30:21
Speaker 1: he had Travis c. T N where I'm I'm not
30:22
Speaker 1: sure they really wanted him hit quite like that, But
30:25
Speaker 1: he hits and he has a thumper. His hitting ability
30:29
Speaker 1: is the reason that Joe Schobert is one of the
30:32
Speaker 1: reasons show if it's not here, this guy really plays
30:36
Speaker 1: the run well, Uh, he'll be the middle linebacker in basse.
30:39
Speaker 1: He'll probably come out of the field and nicol, but
30:42
Speaker 1: he's a guy that fans are gonna like. You're starting
30:43
Speaker 1: to hear more about Shaq Corterman from Oak Leaf on
30:45
Speaker 1: the west side of Jacksonville. Um Quincy Williams still interests me.
30:48
Speaker 1: You talked about big hitters his rookie season remembers Marie Dade.
30:51
Speaker 1: He's a swimmer. Not of us know anything about him,
30:54
Speaker 1: but the one thing I can recall from from teen
30:57
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31:00
Speaker 1: arrive with some fours. He can really run as well.
31:03
Speaker 1: So I'm interested to see if he can make progress
31:05
Speaker 1: and earn a spot or even on the practice squad,
31:08
Speaker 1: because when you're in a three four, as I've said
31:10
Speaker 1: for months, you've got to have a lot of linebackers
31:12
Speaker 1: at your disposal. So it's it would be interesting to
31:15
Speaker 1: me with this new staff to see if he can
31:17
Speaker 1: sort of rehabilitate because the old staff was tired of him.
31:20
Speaker 1: See if he can rehabilitate his his on the field persona. Yeah,
31:24
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31:26
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