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Why Big Ten Athletes Are Calling For A Major Change · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckey's Tomorrow Morning for Wednesday, February eleventh. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Tom Moore. The ball State game in two
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  Speaker 1: All right, on today's show, we're talking about the Big
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  Speaker 1: Ten Student Athletes Commission, made up of athletes from different
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  Speaker 1: sports all around the Big Ten, including Ohio State. They
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  Speaker 1: had just wrote a letter to the Big two NCAA
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  Speaker 1: Commissioner Charlie Baker, asking for help on perhaps making a
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  Speaker 1: major change happen. Going to bring in Tony Gerderman of
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  Speaker 1: bucke Huddle dot com to talk about that. Tony, this
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  Speaker 1: is one of those things where this seemed at the
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  Speaker 1: time that this first got proposed, and we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: individual player props for college sports. This is one of
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  Speaker 1: these things that was like, well, this seems like a
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  Speaker 1: terrible idea, and it has turned out, Tony to be
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  Speaker 1: a terrible idea.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, it is terrible. With the advent of social
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  Speaker 2: media and access to players, the feedback on failed on
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  Speaker 2: lost prop bets has not been good for those players
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  Speaker 2: from the public at large, and so the best answer
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  Speaker 2: here is just to eliminate the bets overall, rather than hey,
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  Speaker 2: just get thicker skin. It's like, well, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: why don't we just eliminate the whole prop bet thing
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  Speaker 2: and avoid as much as we can this kind of
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  Speaker 2: just really pointless toxicity. And like I said, the access
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  Speaker 2: is one huge part of the problem because you know,
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  Speaker 2: the public can reach the players and boy, having death
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  Speaker 2: threats or just constant, you know, a barrage of ill
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  Speaker 2: thoughts sent your way. It's like, I'm just I'm the
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  Speaker 2: one playing the sport, I'm the one doing the schooling,
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  Speaker 2: I'm the one putting in the effort. And why does
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  Speaker 2: that mean that I can now? I am now I
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  Speaker 2: should bear the brunt of all of these angry thoughts
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  Speaker 2: and words and messages from people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is there were several different ways that you thought, boy,
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  Speaker 1: this might go poorly, and how many of them has
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  Speaker 1: it gone poorly? The answer is all of the above.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, the feedback that you mentioned. That was
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  Speaker 1: one of the things they mentioned in that learyer and
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  Speaker 1: we can get to some of the specifics there later.
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  Speaker 1: But another thing is the integrity piece, and that was
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  Speaker 1: the first thing they brought up, which you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think fans of various professional sports in Ohio are probably thinking,
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  Speaker 1: are they going to talk about Emmanuel classe A friends?
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  Speaker 1: You know we are if you can get a major
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  Speaker 1: league closer who's making eight figures a year to throw
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  Speaker 1: intention intentionally throw bad pitches for people to win little
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  Speaker 1: prop bets here for I mean potentially hundreds of times
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  Speaker 1: and seeing a final number on that. You know, if
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  Speaker 1: you can do that, well, guess what. You can probably
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  Speaker 1: reach student athletes at various schools who are probably making
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  Speaker 1: slightly less than eight figures a year. And I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to reach you. A headline from January fifteenth, twenty six
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  Speaker 1: people charged an alleged alleged bribery and point shaving scheme
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  Speaker 1: to fix NC double A COMMA CBA men's basketball games.
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  Speaker 1: I can hear you saying the Continental Basketball Association that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't exist anymore, Chinese Basketball Association games, Tony. But the
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  Speaker 1: NC DOUBLEA. There were players on a bunch of different
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  Speaker 1: teams who were implicated in that. And this is not
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  Speaker 1: even a new thing. This is you know, you go
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  Speaker 1: back to the nineteen fifties and the CCNY point shaving
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  Speaker 1: scandals and the nineteen seventies Boston College point shaving scandals
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  Speaker 1: that was sort of like adjacent to the movie Goodfellas.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's a bunch of that. There's a long
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  Speaker 1: history of this. And then if you have individual players
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  Speaker 1: where you can you can bet on, that only incentivizes
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  Speaker 1: it more. You may remember the Alabama baseball coach who
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  Speaker 1: had a couple of years ago, had his big star
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  Speaker 1: starting pitcher was out, so he told a friend who
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  Speaker 1: then tried to place an enormous bet, which raised enormous
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  Speaker 1: red flags immediately. And uh so, yeah, this is this
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  Speaker 1: is this is like really obvious, you know, clear issues.
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  Speaker 1: The integrity piece is certainly one thing, and that's you know,
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  Speaker 1: if if the big if the only losers here are
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  Speaker 1: the casinos, Like I could probably live with that to
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  Speaker 1: a certain degree, but you know, I think the real
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  Speaker 1: issue here is what you talked about earlier, which you know,
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  Speaker 1: you go through the reporting. This is Ross Dellinger from
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  Speaker 1: Yahoo reporting this, and you know some of the stuff
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  Speaker 1: that you know, it's not Yes, you get stuff on
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  Speaker 1: social media, but it's also people saying stuff to to
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  Speaker 1: student athletes in person, and and you know you can
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  Speaker 1: you can understand why that is extremely not okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we because all of these scandals that you've mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: and those are all a lot of that's illegal betting.
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  Speaker 2: And so even the fact that you've got legal betting now,
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  Speaker 2: I still think, like you said, the access is to
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  Speaker 2: the players from the public is the main thing here. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: you want to keep the integrity of the utmost you
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  Speaker 2: don't want to be you don't want any questions regarding boy,
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  Speaker 2: why did you miss that layup? You know you were
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  Speaker 2: Did you know that your number was seventeen and a
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  Speaker 2: half and that layup? You know that kept you at seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: The player may have no idea, but other people know it,
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  Speaker 2: and now they're questioning your integrity. So like to even
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  Speaker 2: just get rid of that that whole aspect of things
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  Speaker 2: I think is a cleaner product, certainly. But man, the
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  Speaker 2: over the years you've seen was Stephen Smith from Arizona State,
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  Speaker 2: There's years and years of this and those players it
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  Speaker 2: was very confined and it was just this this pocket
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  Speaker 2: of people. Now, it's you've got a thousand people betting
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  Speaker 2: on you whether you're gonna go over thirteen and a
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  Speaker 2: half points, and if you don't, even if it's seven
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  Speaker 2: of those thousand that reach out to you and tell
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  Speaker 2: you how much how terrible you are and you know
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  Speaker 2: you're a loser, and you all that, and it's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you know, sticks and stones and all of
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  Speaker 2: that stuff. But the just the feedback is just one
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  Speaker 2: part of it. It's things can go beyond that as well,
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  Speaker 2: and you don't want it to go beyond that. And
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  Speaker 2: so that's another reason why athletes are like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: need this. I don't need this in my life. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not the one doing the betting, you know, I don't
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  Speaker 2: prefer not to have people betting on us. And so
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  Speaker 2: they're encouraging the NCAA to encourage the government to you know,
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  Speaker 2: various states already have no prop bets allowed. Various states
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  Speaker 2: have no prop bets allowed in those states in terms
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  Speaker 2: of college player prop bets, and it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the the no prop bets allowed in your state feels
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  Speaker 2: like a happy medium. But the happiest meetium for all
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  Speaker 2: of the players would just be to eliminate altogether. I don't,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the players, like, I don't need to be
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  Speaker 2: the bad guy. I already feel bad enough if I
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  Speaker 2: miss a shot or if we lose. I don't need
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  Speaker 2: that to be compounded by the fact that I'm the
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  Speaker 2: reason that Joe Bob Cooter no offense. Not to imply
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  Speaker 2: let me just throw a fake name out there that
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  Speaker 2: can't possibly be a real name, but that you know,
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  Speaker 2: like now, I've also caused him to lose. And what
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  Speaker 2: did he lose? Maybe it's something that he can't afford
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  Speaker 2: to lose, and he's gonna take it out on me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that letter said that the majority of death threats
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  Speaker 1: that people get are related to specific player props. And
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  Speaker 1: let me just say, why don't you try to be normal?
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  Speaker 1: Can you just be more? Is that okay? Can you?
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  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes if you make a bet and you lose,
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  Speaker 1: it might be your fault. I wouldn't necessarily put it
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  Speaker 1: on the other person, but yeah, it is. It is
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  Speaker 1: a definitely, definitely a concerning trend and not one that
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  Speaker 1: I think anyone is feeling great about right now. You mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Ohio is not one of the states where
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  Speaker 1: you can place individual player bets, player prop bets. And
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  Speaker 1: you before we hit record you were taught. You mentioned
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  Speaker 1: the list of states where you can do this and
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  Speaker 1: where you probably are seeing a lot of these issues,
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  Speaker 1: and there's not a ton within the Big Ten footprint,
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  Speaker 1: but there are some.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, props are allowed. College player prop bets are allowed
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  Speaker 2: in Indiana, allowed in Michigan, allowed in Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 2: Which you know, as we know, is technically a Big
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  Speaker 2: Ten state. They're allowed in Iowa and Illinois, but not
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  Speaker 2: for teams in those states or players in those states.
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  Speaker 2: The rest of the country either they don't allow sports
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  Speaker 2: betting or in terms of the Big Ten football footprint,
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  Speaker 2: or they don't allow prop bets, and Ohio is one
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  Speaker 2: of those. Oregon does not allow prop bets in New York, Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 2: other so in Maryland, of course, they do not allow
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  Speaker 2: college player prop bets. And so that's that's a pretty
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  Speaker 2: good portion of the Big Ten that has already tried,
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  Speaker 2: it has already done something too rooted out. And Ohio
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  Speaker 2: did this, I believe back in twenty twenty four where
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  Speaker 2: they set their law, because we had it for I
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  Speaker 2: think maybe two years or so with the prop bets
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  Speaker 2: on college players and then and then it had to
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  Speaker 2: go away because Ohioan's lost some bets.
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  Speaker 1: People taking sports a little too seriously for the first
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  Speaker 1: time ever in history. Well, these unforseeable issues, we'll see
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  Speaker 1: they we'll see if they can get rectified there. But
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to kind of give you as an
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  Speaker 1: update on that. I thought that was an interesting, interesting
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  Speaker 1: things for Big ten student athletes to come out and
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  Speaker 1: talk about and be willing to talk about kind of
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  Speaker 1: shows you that it is probably a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: an issue. So there you go. There's your update on that.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow with a probably a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more of a traditional show. And if you're joning for
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  Speaker 1: replacing certain players and what to expect from some some
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  Speaker 1: as YouTube dot com slash Buckeye Huddle. That'll do it
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  Speaker 1: for today. Thank you guys all for joining us. Have
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  Speaker 1: a great day. We'll talk to you tomorrow.