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Joe Palana, Freddie Shanel, Danya Trommer, Andrew Durso · Bug Hive with Benny Feldman

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  Uh oh. That's why I've hidden that's why
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  I've hidden their faces behind the M
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  stands. You'll never get me. They're
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  anonymous. Matt, could you make like an
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  episode? I'm aware that's a faux paw and
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  I'll move the table in the future. I
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  haven't figured out where to put it. But
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  me and Joe are kind of the first
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  sacrifices to
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  What's up, dogs? What's up? How's it
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  going? Good to see you. You guys brought
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  some magazines. Oh, yeah.
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  Do you want to start introducing your
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  mag? Oh, I got too many AARP magazines.
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  What is What is that? It's for It's the
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  American Association of Retired People.
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  Oh, nice. Wait, it's gender neutral.
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  It's
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  anyone can retire. It's actually retired
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  folks.
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  That's the ar That's for retired. H O L.
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  Um, but yeah, I don't know why I get
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  these, but I get them every month. Wait,
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  those go to your house? They go to my
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  apartment. Okay, interesting. They are
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  in my father-in-law's name. Okay. Who is
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  not retired.
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  That would wrong if you're just hiding
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  from everybody. You're like 64 or
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  something. Yeah. I got great jeans.
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  Yeah. I got a pacemaker and great jeans.
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  We're going to collage the heck out of
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  those. Oh yeah. Wait, is that where
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  Trump is on the cover of the Trump?
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  Well, this is a I've been getting these
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  for months. So this is a from the
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  election where they stand for retired
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  people. Trump v Kamla. I'm just until AP
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  tells me I don't know who's president.
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  I was still like I got to I got to see
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  who vote for. Yeah. Freddy, you got some
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  too. I do. Ultimately I am the
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  beneficiary of a roommate who is very
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  creative and for her birthday um she got
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  a bunch of these and then I took them
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  cuz uh her birthday was a month ago. So
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  I think that'll probably be fine. I'm
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  really excited about this llban one
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  because it's a man and a woman walking a
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  dog and I'm excited to take the man and
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  put the collar on him and have the woman
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  kind of walking him. It's kind of what I
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  intend to do with the magazine. Kind of
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  a statement reverse Sabrina Carbon which
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  would have been cool if I made Yeah,
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  exactly. woman's best friend. Um I that
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  espresso meod
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  like wait a second. Um, no, no, no. I I
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  do realize that it would have been
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  cooler if I had done that and then told
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  you guys I had done it, but just know
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  that that is what I planned to do. I
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  like it. No, I like that. I I like the
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  planning the crafts. I like to kind of
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  the ahead of time saying what the plan
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  is and then see what actually occurs.
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  You're like an art babe Ruth.
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  I think combining these is going to be
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  pretty cool. Put Trump's head on the
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  Trump. Wait, what's that? What's that
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  big thick thing you got there behind?
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  Oh, this is the American Art Review. Oh,
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  which I think is going to be really fun
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  watching. This is Harper's Bizaarre, Nat
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  Geo, which apparently has like a World
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  War II section that we're really going
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  to get into. And then a House Beautiful,
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  the outdoor issue, and then a bunch of
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  lilac uh colored construction paper. Oh,
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  nice. Okay. Freddy's magazine's like uh
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  I don't know, like portraying a cultured
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  person. Joe is just like old.
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  Once again, this is not me. I can't
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  emphasize that enough. Yeah. I mean, I'm
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  still under your roof, though. I don't
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  know. That's true. That's true.
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  Don't come for my wife later.
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  Yeah, your wife really needs to step it
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  up in the magazine.
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  I'll text her now. Your wife's dad
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  specifically.
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  My wife's father will be hearing about
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  this. Wait. Oh my god. Congratulations
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  on your marriage. Oh yeah.
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  Mostop, you got the no ring. I got a
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  ring. Oh, there it is. Hey,
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  how did you pick the ring? How is uh I
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  It's uh the same. It's a like a
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  basically a normal ring, but then
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  there's like a band of the same stone
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  that she has in her engagement ring.
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  Nice. A little bit of It's like kind of
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  Wait, are they not identical engagement
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  rings? It's the a band of the same
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  stone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you get an
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  engagement ring or does that not No, I
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  don't think that's like a hit thing.
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  Brutal. I know. That is brutal. I I
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  don't know. it. I just didn't want her
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  to pay for Cuz we spent way less money
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  on the wedding rings than the engagement
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  ring. Oh, cuz you can get those. You can
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  get a wedding ring on Etsy for like 80
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  bucks. Pretty good. That's cool. Where
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  where did you get married? City Hall.
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  Gotcha. Understood. Or whatever. Like
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  the Yeah, I didn't mean to say that so
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  flatly. Like I You know, you know how
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  did you get married? It's like
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  understood.
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  City Hall should have like a like a very
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  bureaucratic reception that you can also
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  have. Like they've got the like you can
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  do the paperwork. They should also have
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  another room where they have like a
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  slice of cake. Yeah. Those like mini
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  cupcakes. I was going to say the one,
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  right? Whether you love each other.
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  You have to get married by the
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  comproller or whatever.
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  D any of the arts and crafts sticking
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  out to you? I'm I'm going down the line
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  a little Um, I'm a big I'm a big pipe
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  cleaners guy, I got to say. But I would
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  love to do some collaging with some of
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  the the face. There's a specific phrase
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  that's belonging to me at the AP
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  magazine. Um, there's just a an article
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  titled hold on to your teeth.
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  So, I'd like to dive into that, I think.
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  Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. I think that's my
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  plan is is figuring out how I can hold
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  on to my teeth. Going dental. I'm going
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  dental. Did you make that shirt, by the
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  way? Um, my friend actually did. My
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  friend has a band uh that changes names
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  every time they perform. Um, so this is
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  when they were um at Stan's Brris. Oh,
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  that rules. Which is a great They
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  perform at a bris. No, no, no, no. It
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  was at O'Brien's
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  Massachusetts. O'Brien.
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  RIP Great Scott. Same ownership group.
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  Oh, I forgot to mention
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  Scott coming back. Oh, very interesting.
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  This isn't of this isn't of interest to
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  anybody watching. But that's the beauty
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  of it. All these folks are from Boston.
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  What up? These are all comedians in New
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  York who are formerly lived in Boston.
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  God's favorite city. Count the rings of
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  time. Count the [ __ ] rings. I will
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  say when you said O'Brien's it was kind
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  of like, yeah, that's going to be a
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  Boston bar.
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  You guys been to a Mali's or is that
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  like You're right. Yeah. Every We never
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  made it out of the pandemic. I'm sure if
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  you could like chart like most bars
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  called Murphy's Law Per City. Yeah.
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  Uh oh. Okay. Yeah. My name's Andrew.
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  What's up? I anticipate being kind of
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  dead uh dead weight on the whole art
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  thing here. I I I was squatting on this
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  issue of AARP magazine with Rod Stewart
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  on the cover. The great Rod Stewart. Uh
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  hold on to your teeth. 14 rules to smile
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  about. rules to smile about. I uh guy
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  who smiles about rules. Yeah, here's a
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  rule. No running.
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  Retired narc.
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  Sorry, I don't anticipate this being
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  very exciting while I find this article.
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  If you want to if everyone wants to like
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  reintroduce themselves or something. Are
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  you guys both you guys are both drawn to
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  the teeth one? I guess we're both drawn
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  to I just want clarification on what
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  this article is. Are they trying to help
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  you keep your teeth? We're going to have
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  to kill each other. We have to know.
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  Yeah. Cannot emphasize enough. I have
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  like nine magazines. This thing is so
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  important. Let's get Let's get them out.
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  What about sex in your 60s? Oh, I like
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  that. Yes. Yes. Yes.
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  Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. It can
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  still be great. Okay. That would be so
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  fun, dude. That would rock if ARP had
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  like an article that was like sexier 60s
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  dot dot. Gross.
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  Stop it.
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  dry. But yes, it is an article about
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  like tooth care and just about how
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  having teeth is cool. I'm going to go
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  down the rabbit hole the the art and
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  then I'm going to be really cool. I feel
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  like they'd be great collage kind of
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  it's a it's it's a real opportunity to
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  take a person in the art magazine and
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  put a different head on them. I feel
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  like that's kind of a natural thing that
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  calls Oh, absolutely. Most of collage is
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  just switching switching heads. Oh,
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  dude. Somebody's already collaged here,
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  dude.
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  collage. This was it was a collage
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  birthday party. So I think that is where
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  the magazines came from. So this it's
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  already been scred for collage material.
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  Sloppy seconds of collage. All the all
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  the best photos have already been so
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  far. This is less of a collage thing and
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  more we're just riffing on magazines.
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  This one's a not to continue exactly
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  what you said, but ARP is your car
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  spying on you?
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  My guess is no.
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  For ARP to lean into like like
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  conspiracy theories for old people to be
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  like, "Turn on Fox News right now."
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  Dude, if the printed upside down, dude,
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  if the Chinese are spying on my parents
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  with their like car, like what a
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  profound waste of money that would be
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  for them. The amount of like not useful
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  information they're going to get. Like
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  how often my mom listens to like Led
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  Zeppelin or something.
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  Let's get this one.
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  Look at that. These folks kind of
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  sleeping in a Sam circle. In a Sam. Is
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  that a Thomas Hart Bon?
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  Oh no magazine. Thomas Hart Ben's an
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  American muralist.
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  That's what you learn when you live in
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  Boston.
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  I did I did meet my wife at the Museum
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  of Fine Arts. Is that true? Tell tell
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  that story. That sounds interesting. We
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  just both worked there. It's okay. I
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  know.
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  I I thought you were She was just like
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  looking at a painting. You came up to
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  her like I I did that. It's my painting.
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  You know, that's not even the real Mona
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  Lisa. I will say while you ideally tell
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  us the story of you guys working there
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  and then meeting each other, I am going
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  to start collaging in the hopes that it
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  will start other people also collaging.
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  Um but that being said, Joe, please walk
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  us through the moment that you laid eyes
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  on your future wife. Yeah. Also, if
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  anyone wants to put Jenn Ortega's head
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  on somebody watching conference, I'm
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  going for the same. Sure. Thank you.
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  Well, you're going
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  But uh I met We were both working there.
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  Apparently, we both have the same name.
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  You're like, I don't remember podcast.
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  We're both Joe. And so, day one, I was
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  getting shown around to the people
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  working there and I got introduced to
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  her. They're like, oh. She went, my
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  name's Joe, too. And I said, "Oh no."
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  And walked away. I didn't make a great
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  first impression.
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  Did you remember how her like face moved
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  when you said, "Oh no." Was it like,
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  "Oh, this is a funny, quirky guy." Or,
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  no, she was like, "Oh, yeah. Saw her
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  like, "Oh, I hope I never marry this
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  guy." I'm walking down the street being
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  like, "Damn, I hope I don't marry that
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  guy.
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  I'm used to that look.
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  I'm used to seeing that look. I'm going
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  to go I'm just going hard. I'm just
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  immediately ripping out. I think we like
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  been dating for like a week and then my
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  parents went to the museum and we're
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  like, "Are you Joe?"
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  I'm one of the Joe's. She's like, "No,
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  we're the parents of the other one."
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  I'm looking through this room to see if
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  Betty has any like family photos I can
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  tear up.
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  They already have the exit scratched out
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  of the eyes. Yeah. Your mom is Rodster
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  now. I kind of want to swap Sandler's
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  head in the basketball that he's Oh,
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  that's fun. That is fun. That is fun.
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  Crazy stuff. I love how he's just
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  holding a basketball on that cover like
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  I had him have just have fun with these
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  props. Now that I have you all here
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  lulled into a false sense of comfort and
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  collaging. What was the Boston comedy
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  scene like?
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  I found it to be pretty. I don't know. I
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  like lived there I think before anybody
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  in this room. So I maybe there's a
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  pretty high turnover rate cuz like who
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  who stays in Boston? That's true. Yeah,
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  that's really true. I don't know. It's
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  fine. I
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  Is it very like they go to New York? Is
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  that the Yeah, pretty much. They go to
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  New York or they quit or they like start
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  a family or something? Yeah. A lot of
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  people start families. A lot of people
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  having babies. A lot of people doing
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  comedy as a hobby, which is fine.
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  I agree. Um people people in Philly a
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  lot of people had families but were
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  doing still doing comedy. Was it like in
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  Boston was it was that similar or no? I
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  feel like there worse fathers in Philly.
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  I don't know like just to have some some
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  some pride
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  okay D you've been in both of the two
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  scenes. Yes. Is that genuinely a read?
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  Is that genu
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  or worse? I mean honestly yes. If this
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  was a room full of Philly comics, would
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  you be saying the opposite?
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  I honestly do not think because I feel
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  like in Boston, most of the people who
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  have kids Oh, wait.
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  You're like recalling specific fathers.
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  Specific fathers. Yeah. Happy Father's
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  Day to people who quit comedy in Boston.
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  Um feel like a lot of them quit to spend
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  time with their child, but in Philly
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  they're just like, "Put the kid in the
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  crib." You know, really in Philly,
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  they're kind of like, uh, I'll leave my
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  kid in this hot car while I go do an
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  open mic for three hours. And it's worth
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  it. It's worth it for to to hear those
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  sweet sweet slurs at Raven Lou. Is there
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  a lot of slurs in Philly? Oh, yeah. I
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  would say I would say Philly is much
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  worse than than Boston. That's actually
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  surprising. It's not the reputation we
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  have. Dave, you really should you should
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  not have told me that. I'm really going
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  to run with that for a while. I feel
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  like for for the general open mic, I
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  don't know, for like how uh
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  how how hateful a person can be or not
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  necessarily hateful because people in
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  Philly aren't hateful. They just love
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  slurs, you know? Well, in Boston, people
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  are hateful.
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  Wait, I would also like to briefly
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  update everyone that I did successfully
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  make it look like she's walking the man.
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  Wait, that looks Wait, you were showing
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  that. I honestly was pretty proud with
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  how it turned out. It It happened really
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  fast. Basketball head. Yeah. Do you want
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  to feel free to get in there? Wait, that
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  looks so good though. Also, I Oh, that's
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  quite impressive. You did do that. Yeah,
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  that's it. Worked out much better than I
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  thought it would and much quicker. You
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  uh you you really did Babe Ruth, your
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  collage. I think I I think I genuinely
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  used up all the luck that I have in my
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  body in order in order to make Are you
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  guys like good at art? And then I'm
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  going to look. Okay. But that also is a
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  sigh opt to distract us from the fact
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  that Philadelphia is more racist than
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  Boston. I'm glad we have that on the
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  record. I didn't say more racist. I just
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  said more slurs at the open. More
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  racist. That's like a funny. That is
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  cool. That was really cool. Slow the
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  basketball. I'm like I'm like at home
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  like clocking like individual black
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  people in the audience this game. Like
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  very interesting. Well, you know, I I
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  saw a um it was like comics come home.
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  So like and like the kids miss you.
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  All the fathers that really
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  please comics come home. Yeah, that is
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  very misleading. It just does sound like
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  a comedy show of bad dads. Well, that
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  might also be true, but it was like I
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  think it was for Dennis Lir's charity,
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  so he had like they had to have him and
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  he was I mean I don't Dennis Liry not
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  great. First comedy album I ever owned.
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  Yeah. Oh, yeah. Dennis Liry's No Cure
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  for Cancer. Wow. Oh yeah. Yeah. That was
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  like Yeah. I've heard that album. So
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  like if you like said the first line at
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  me of that album to be like across the
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  street, my head would probably like snap
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  at me when I finished the album. What
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  are you an [ __ ] or something?
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  I listen to it like so much song. Yes.
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  Well, it ends with the [ __ ] song. I'm
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  just a good Ever see the movie
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  Demolition Man. Yeah. It's like uh it's
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  like it's if you It takes place in a
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  future where like you have to be PC and
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  it's like evil like the album does. It's
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  a concept. No, the movie Demolition.
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  Yeah, it's a concept standup album.
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  Yeah. The year is 2015 and stand up is
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  against Eminem. Yeah. No, but it's like
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  there's like a part of that movie where
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  like he's like part of the underground
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  resistance and he's like, I want to
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  [ __ ] smoke a cigarette, eat a steak.
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  It's like just a minute of the movie
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  where he's like doing his act. It's so
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  weird. It'd be like if you're like
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  watching like another movie and like Jim
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  Gaffkins showed up and just talked about
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  escalators for like an hour. Like it's
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  so weird. Wait, is Dennis Lirian
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  demolition man? Yes. I totally thought
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  that was Schwarzeneg. Oh, that is the
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  lawnmower man. That's the lawn. No, no,
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  no. You think that's the running man?
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  Too many. The lawn mower man is Pierce
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  Brosman.
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  Yeah, I watched that recently. Yeah,
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  it's nonsense.
• 16:57
  My head. I do like that. Apparently the
• 16:59
  director's cut is better. A few people
• 17:01
  in this room are like really just going
• 17:03
  into the magazine. I'll be honest. I'm
• 17:05
  going to go non-verbal while I do this.
• 17:07
  So, you guys feel free to keep that.
• 17:08
  Okay. So here well here's what I'm what
• 17:09
  I've been doing is I went through the
• 17:11
  art one. I went through this one. I just
• 17:12
  found all the coolest most interesting
• 17:13
  ones and I've been ripping them out
• 17:15
  first and then I'll combine them. Like I
• 17:16
  got like a guillotine. I got Hitler. I
• 17:18
  got a guy. Oh, you're going through the
• 17:20
  World War II. I'm going through real
• 17:22
  quick ripping them out and then and then
• 17:24
  I'll combine them. You want M&M's head?
• 17:27
  It's like I've got M&M's head for I'm
• 17:29
  saying I've got I've got like like take
• 17:31
  a now take a look at the ones I've got.
• 17:33
  Oh, for sure. Other group. Yeah. In lie
• 17:36
  of a collage. I'll just keep saying
• 17:37
  people that were in demolition. Man, do
• 17:39
  we only have Oh, hey, speaking of
• 17:41
  Boston, on the cover of this AARP
• 17:43
  magazine is the cast of the film 80 for
• 17:45
  Brady. Oh, I loved that movie. I've seen
• 17:48
  that movie three times. Yeah. Cried
• 17:51
  every time. Tom Brady's in it. Correct.
• 17:53
  Uh, briefly or Gro G Gron. I feel like
• 17:55
  I've se I saw Groon. I'm actually
• 17:57
  thinking of the movie Last Vegas, which
• 17:59
  is a different movie about four old
• 18:01
  people who do something fun. Yeah. I um
• 18:04
  I watched 80 for Brady just at a bunch
• 18:06
  of very low moments of my life and so
• 18:09
  it's it's really it's a good moment.
• 18:10
  It's I think it's a good movie. I hear
• 18:12
  that it's very heartwarming. Very
• 18:14
  heartwarming. This also was a few
• 18:15
  moments ago, but I love the idea that
• 18:16
  it's like I got a guillotine. I got
• 18:17
  Hitler. These are the things I found in
• 18:18
  AAP magazine.
• 18:21
  Okay. Well, actually, let me present
• 18:22
  real quick if you're all interested.
• 18:24
  Okay. We got We got Monle Guy.
• 18:27
  Be fun. We got Guillotine. We got Albert
• 18:30
  Einstein. You know, something with that
• 18:32
  guy. We got fighting stance. I like
• 18:35
  this one. I think I did for this.
• 18:37
  There's like a weird little uh thing of
• 18:39
  somebody Hold on. I could have kept
• 18:40
  that. Whatever. Uh they're kind this
• 18:42
  weird thing where they're like doing
• 18:44
  they're pinsering Hitler's arms. Oh,
• 18:46
  it's political comic, if you will. Got
• 18:48
  to [ __ ] with that. Wow. And there's also
• 18:50
  like stuff. Yeah. And then we got this
• 18:53
  one. We get this weird convicted. Oh,
• 18:55
  that is exactly if you want to replace a
• 18:57
  face with like Jen Ortega or something.
• 19:00
  Or if you want to put a little bikini on
• 19:01
  them. Oh my god. We got We got to
• 19:04
  combine them. We got to combine them.
• 19:07
  We got Hitler. We got Hitler. We got We
• 19:09
  got Hitler. We got Okay, now we're the
• 19:11
  art one. We got a romantic train scene.
• 19:12
  I thought that'd be funny to put maybe
• 19:14
  like Hitler's face or something. Uh,
• 19:16
  this one we got. They got this person in
• 19:18
  the hat. I like the hat. I kind of liked
• 19:22
  this outdoor scene. I think. Yes. Not
• 19:25
  that interesting. Whatever. Duck. Okay.
• 19:28
  Good duck. The sand guys. Uh, now in
• 19:30
  retrospect, the sand guys is more boring
• 19:32
  than I thought. And like this kind of
• 19:33
  outdoor scene. Do we only have two pairs
• 19:35
  of scissors? Yeah. Okay. Oh, you want
• 19:37
  the other one? Here you go. Oh, I can I
• 19:40
  can I can use I can grab I can grab more
• 19:42
  from the kitchen and from my shaving
• 19:44
  kit. Oh, I'm taking turns. If if this
• 19:48
  scissor hasn't touched your pubes, I
• 19:50
  don't want it.
• 19:55
  Yeah, that's my general rule. All right,
• 19:58
  now I'm now now while you guys are
• 20:00
  collaging. Now,
• 20:02
  actually, I'm going to let them do it in
• 20:03
  silence. Look at that. Oh, look at
• 20:06
  comics come home. Oh, yes. pre- divorced
• 20:09
  Melany was there because a Boston guy
• 20:13
  dropped out and he was Boston enough and
• 20:15
  he opened was like so my wife's Jewish
• 20:18
  and the guy behind me booed on and then
• 20:21
  looked around like I thought we were all
• 20:23
  Jew they're busting in Philadelphia
• 20:27
  flag they weren't booing for Jews they
• 20:29
  were booing for the wife he was like I
• 20:30
  thought you were gay
• 20:33
  that guy was booing like you should get
• 20:34
  a divorce cuz it'll lead to a new
• 20:36
  autistic era in your career
• 20:39
  Some will say, "We'll we'll revitalize
• 20:40
  you creatively."
• 20:43
  Oh, wa. These guys are spies.
• 20:45
  I thought they were going to be killers.
• 20:48
  I guess they could be. Um, I do like
• 20:51
  some spies probably. That is true. If
• 20:54
  James Bond tells me anything, you know.
• 20:57
  Um, you really like those movies,
• 20:59
  correct? I do really like those movies.
• 21:01
  James Bond. Yeah. Big big James Bond. Do
• 21:04
  you have a favorite Bond film? I do.
• 21:05
  It's um I think A View to a Kill. The
• 21:09
  one with Christopher Walkan. There's
• 21:11
  Grace Jones in it. Correct. And Grace
• 21:12
  Jones. Yes. It's a terrible movie, but
• 21:15
  it is my favorite one. Okay. Yeah. And
• 21:17
  then Live and Let Die is just a good
• 21:18
  movie. So much of the British national
• 21:20
  identity is tied up in like a franchise.
• 21:22
  Like the best one is like a six out of
• 21:24
  10.
• 21:26
  I do want I want to see Boston James
• 21:28
  Bond.
• 21:32
  My name's Bond.
• 21:34
  You're looking at him, bro. Why is he
• 21:36
  like freaking Wow. Oh my god. Rabbit
• 21:40
  Man. Bugs Bunny. Just call Bugs Bunny
• 21:42
  rabbit man.
• 21:44
  That's not good. That is a sign of of a
• 21:46
  deteriorating brain. Um you've been
• 21:49
  you've been away from the East Coast for
• 21:51
  too long. Wait, no. The further probe
• 21:53
  this are Were you saying that Boston
• 21:55
  James Bond is basically Bug's Bunny?
• 21:58
  Yes, that's what I was trying in what
• 22:00
  way? And well, because the way Joe was
• 22:02
  was saying it, he sounded much like Bugs
• 22:04
  Bunny. Um, oh, so Joe's Bugs Bunny. Joe
• 22:07
  Joe as Boston James Bond is is Bugs
• 22:10
  Bunny. I would say trying to work on a
• 22:12
  bit. But Joe's a married man. He can
• 22:13
  never be James Bond.
• 22:16
  I like the idea that um like martini
• 22:19
  shakers like Q getting James Bond like a
• 22:22
  birthday gift and it's a martini shaker.
• 22:25
  Think about that. I don't know. Sort of.
• 22:28
  It's not It's not that It's like a cute
• 22:30
  idea. Like like dad James Bond just
• 22:33
  keeps getting like he's like, "Okay, I
• 22:35
  know I said this a lot. I have other
• 22:38
  personalities." Like a dad who's sick of
• 22:40
  getting Yeah. I mean, do you, James? Not
• 22:42
  like I can get you like a pocket [ __ ]
• 22:44
  for your birthday here for your family.
• 22:46
  I love the idea of um James Bond getting
• 22:48
  a gift from someone who doesn't know him
• 22:49
  very well, being like a martini stirer,
• 22:51
  and he's like, "You don't know me at
• 22:52
  all.
• 22:54
  [ __ ] you. You literally just need to
• 22:56
  watch one of my terrible movies.
• 22:59
  James Bond is like, "Watch my movies,
• 23:00
  man." Yeah, watch my [ __ ] He gets
• 23:03
  like a He gets like a handwritten, dude.
• 23:05
  That'd be so sick to be able to tell
• 23:07
  somebody. Yeah. Watch my [ __ ] movie,
• 23:09
  man. Demolition, man. Just to give a
• 23:11
  little bit of an update on the collage
• 23:13
  front. Right now, I'm planning on
• 23:14
  putting um the 80 for Brady cast
• 23:17
  underneath a caption that says the
• 23:18
  Atlanta Falcons. Oh, I think that'll be
• 23:21
  fun. Yeah. If you do If you do that,
• 23:22
  I'll walk out of here.
• 23:25
  I just I just did like a giant M&M's
• 23:27
  face soaking in color. Oh, that's fun.
• 23:30
  Oh, Rod Stewart. Yes, that
• 23:33
  I don't know what's going to come of
• 23:34
  this, but it feels right for now. And I
• 23:38
  have if anyone needs just the text, this
• 23:41
  is your captain speaking.
• 23:43
  I think that'll go well with something,
• 23:45
  but I don't know what just to pretend
• 23:48
  that this podcast has a has any sort of
• 23:50
  theme or uh recurring idea. Um, were you
• 23:54
  guys in the Boston scene together? No.
• 23:57
  So, I think we all over overlapped or so
• 24:00
  have left like right before I started.
• 24:02
  Yeah. I have zero overlap with you guys.
• 24:04
  Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. And what what's the
• 24:06
  time? What's the timeline? And were you
• 24:09
  all enemies or friends? I moved in like
• 24:11
  2018. Yeah. I think I I came back to
• 24:14
  Boston like really started in earnest
• 24:17
  September 2018. So, interesting. I like
• 24:19
  just missed you. Yeah. What was like the
• 24:22
  room for you? I hope this isn't the
• 24:24
  least interesting podcast. People just
• 24:27
  recalling defunct Boston Open. I think
• 24:29
  like like it was like Thunderbar and uh
• 24:34
  whatever Sean Carter ran. So it was like
• 24:36
  Sally O'Brien like and then like the No,
• 24:40
  I was going to say it's a rule we can't
• 24:42
  gossip about about comedians. Does that
• 24:44
  extend to Boston comedians? If I don't
• 24:47
  know him, go for it. I don't have
• 24:49
  anything malicious to say except for the
• 24:51
  fact that uh Yeah, I would say it was
• 24:55
  maybe I Yeah, but yeah, like and then I
• 25:00
  uh Yeah, those Midway, which was like
• 25:03
  the late night weird one. I kind of
• 25:05
  remember Midway. That was in Jamaica
• 25:06
  playing, correct? That was a little
• 25:07
  before I I remember you had to like walk
• 25:10
  kind of through like a deserted like
• 25:11
  remote area of Jamaica.
• 25:14
  Yeah. But then it would alternate
• 25:17
  between being like all
• 25:21
  alcoholics
• 25:22
  or like a weirdly full room like Yeah.
• 25:26
  And I remember seeing you at Midway one
• 25:28
  time actually. You really That was the
• 25:29
  first time my now wife saw me do comedy.
• 25:31
  Really? And right before at Midway. I
• 25:33
  know. Wow. She She is a keeper. Well,
• 25:37
  it's cuz she lived like a 5minute walk
• 25:39
  away and she's like, "I'm going to walk
• 25:40
  over." I'm like so close. I'm like,
• 25:41
  "Please don't." And she's like, "I'm
• 25:43
  there."
• 25:44
  And then right before I went up, a
• 25:46
  ventriloquist said a slur.
• 25:49
  Did he Did he say the slur or was it the
• 25:51
  puppet said the slur, but I know I know
• 25:54
  who really said it. I'm not fooled. I
• 25:56
  will say it's amazing. The lips don't
• 25:58
  move. It's fine. What? I feel like that
• 25:59
  bit really crosses like state lines. I
• 26:01
  feel like every state that I perform
• 26:03
  comedy in, I've seen a ventriloquist say
• 26:04
  a slur. racial puppet.
• 26:07
  I've genuinely never seen a
• 26:09
  ventriloquist not
• 26:12
  only. Well, they work in an antiquated
• 26:14
  art form. Why would they be bringing a
• 26:16
  2025 attitude?
• 26:19
  There was some magician in I feel it's
• 26:21
  unreasonable to expect Jeff Dunham to
• 26:23
  have like contemporary views.
• 26:27
  I I I think I talked about this on other
• 26:29
  podcasts, but I think about all the
• 26:31
  time. I like I think in like New York
• 26:33
  magazine or something like that there's
• 26:34
  a profile on Jeff Dunham weirdly enough
• 26:37
  and like he was like at a ventriloquism
• 26:40
  convention and that was kind of like the
• 26:41
  thrust of the piece was following him
• 26:43
  this whole weekend and it said there was
• 26:45
  uh one of the paragraphs started with uh
• 26:48
  in the comedy world Jeff Dunham is the
• 26:50
  ultimate hack and the ventriloquism
• 26:52
  world he is borderline av on guard.
• 26:56
  I think about that all the time.
• 27:00
  Did you say there was a magician? Oh,
• 27:02
  yeah. There's a there's this magician in
• 27:03
  Philly. I'm now I'm doing a little bit
• 27:05
  of gossip, but this guy was like he like
• 27:07
  um he like spit on like a woman or
• 27:09
  something or I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It
• 27:11
  could be that the puppet did it. But I
• 27:14
  do I do think it was like like he was
• 27:16
  actively being rude and she was mad at
• 27:18
  him and then he had like he had the
• 27:20
  puppet like spray water on her and it
• 27:22
  wasn't on stage. It was like in
• 27:24
  conversation. He was using the puppet in
• 27:26
  conversation. Yeah. Oh, that's
• 27:28
  horrifying. like she was she was mad at
• 27:30
  him for something and then he did that
• 27:31
  and I remember I think he got kicked out
• 27:34
  of the I don't know but just funny
• 27:37
  random gossip that I can't ver I mean I
• 27:39
  was there so I can verify it happened
• 27:41
  but I can't verify who or what or why.
• 27:43
  Please welcome our fifth guest
• 27:46
  the puppet guy.
• 27:49
  I wish I I'll name dropper. One time me
• 27:52
  and Michelle Gold were joking about the
• 27:53
  idea of what if Akmed the dead terrorist
• 27:55
  was in Super Smash Brothers and we were
• 27:57
  laughing at the idea you pick him and
• 27:59
  the voice goes Amed and then the weote
• 28:01
  goes I killed you.
• 28:03
  That's it.
• 28:06
  I think about that a lot. I like how
• 28:08
  it's specifically for Smash Brothers
• 28:09
  Brawl. Yeah. Got to do it for the week.
• 28:11
  Let's put the Let's have a completed
• 28:13
  collages pile. Sure. Let's uh Okay. So,
• 28:16
  I've got the duck has his head chopped
• 28:18
  off and it's Albert Einstein as the
• 28:20
  head. Nice. Oh, that rocks. Joe's got
• 28:22
  Adam Sandler basketball playing
• 28:23
  basketball with Adam Sandler's head and
• 28:25
  Eminem nice in the Colorado.
• 28:30
  I'm I'm kind of starting a bit of a Oh,
• 28:32
  you're starting a whole ass thing. I'm
• 28:34
  making
• 28:35
  Can I get some some lilac paper, please?
• 28:37
  It's right uh over here. May I Does
• 28:41
  anybody have a fresh p like uh issue of
• 28:43
  AARP magazine that nobody's taken a
• 28:45
  scissors to yet? I think there's they're
• 28:47
  right in front of you. There's a couple
• 28:48
  untouched. There might be one on the
• 28:49
  crew. Oh man. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
• 28:56
  Oh, Kevin Cosner. I just saw this says
• 28:58
  Adam Sandler's straight man question.
• 29:02
  I think they meant to be like like
• 29:04
  comedy straight man. Yeah. Yeah. That's
• 29:06
  great. Um I will say on the subject of
• 29:08
  of Boston open mics, I kind of started
• 29:10
  in like 20 2020. So I guess like later
• 29:13
  than you guys. Um yeah. Yeah. Well, cuz
• 29:16
  I feel like Well, I was doing stand up
• 29:17
  before then, but I didn't do standup in
• 29:19
  the Boston scene for a while until like
• 29:20
  the pandemic cuz I feel like before then
• 29:21
  I was just kind of keeping it insular.
• 29:23
  And I remember like doing like college
• 29:25
  or something. Yeah. Yeah. But I remember
• 29:27
  seeing Joe for the first time in like 20
• 29:29
  maybe 2018 and you did that joke that
• 29:31
  was like um I've got a lot of
• 29:33
  butterflies in my stomach. I got to stop
• 29:35
  swallowing cocoons.
• 29:37
  Um and I remember being like that guy's
• 29:39
  a [ __ ] genius.
• 29:42
  What was the alt? So, you guys were in
• 29:43
  the alt scene or like you guys were in
• 29:45
  like a Is there an alt scene in Boston
• 29:48
  or didn't have like enough people to
• 29:49
  really do? There was one scene. Yeah. I
• 29:52
  don't think like the scene's big enough
• 29:53
  to have like lunch tables like that.
• 29:55
  Well, I don't know. When I was like when
• 29:57
  I did it, I feel like it was the vibe
• 29:59
  was a little more like towny on the
• 30:01
  whole. Did any of you guys ever do uh
• 30:03
  the tavern at the end of the world?
• 30:05
  Yeah, of course. That's like Scott do
• 30:08
  you do when Scotty Lombardo host it?
• 30:11
  Yeah. Well, no, I didn't do it, but I
• 30:13
  know him. No, you said that with I This
• 30:16
  might be breaking the golf. We're just
• 30:17
  competing tour guides. Oh, gotcha. One
• 30:20
  time I did Davin at the End of the World
• 30:23
  when like a Red Sox game was playing and
• 30:26
  nobody watched. It was like comedians
• 30:29
  and for a regular season Red Sox game.
• 30:31
  Yeah. It was just like that's strange.
• 30:34
  Yeah. This this feels like we're not
• 30:36
  breaking any bust.
• 30:38
  But like was it for real? like not even
• 30:40
  a playoff game. Yeah. Yeah. It was a
• 30:42
  midweek mid season and like everyone's
• 30:44
  like, "No, no, no. I got to I mean,
• 30:46
  that's ridiculous." But you saying that
• 30:47
  also kind of makes me go like, "You're
• 30:50
  probably What are What are some
• 30:52
  differences between the Boston scene and
• 30:54
  the New York comedy scene? New York is
• 30:57
  actual stakes. I don't know. Yeah, you
• 30:59
  could you could make something of your
• 31:01
  life here if you're lucky. Maybe I do
• 31:04
  think it kind of felt like the Boston
• 31:05
  scene. It's like an amazing place to I
• 31:08
  feel like get well this is this isn't
• 31:10
  what it is objectively. I feel like this
• 31:12
  is kind of how I personally used it was
• 31:14
  like I was really not good in Boston and
• 31:17
  uh it was more about just like trying to
• 31:18
  get reps in and like understand how
• 31:20
  standup worked and like try to develop a
• 31:21
  semblance of a voice and then once I
• 31:23
  feel like I moved here then I I didn't
• 31:25
  do like a ton of standup in Boston. I
• 31:27
  would do maybe like three open mics a
• 31:28
  week and then I feel like I came to New
• 31:30
  York and there's just so many more to
• 31:31
  do. I think theory qualifies a lot.
• 31:34
  Frank, in Boston, you only get like kind
• 31:36
  of one shot at it a night. You can't
• 31:38
  really like double up as they say. Yeah.
• 31:39
  I feel like New York is a great place to
• 31:41
  do like so many more open mics than you
• 31:43
  could ever fathom in Boston just cuz
• 31:45
  there are more and the scene is bigger.
• 31:47
  Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a knock on
• 31:49
  Boston to say it's like an incubator
• 31:50
  city. I mean, like where are you going
• 31:51
  to go? I was kind of dancing around
• 31:52
  that, but I didn't want to be offensive.
• 31:54
  No, no, it's totally. Yeah. I think uh I
• 31:57
  think the people in Boston like would
• 31:58
  agree with you. Yeah, I mean there are
• 32:01
  so many people that move from Boston to
• 32:02
  New York after a couple years that I
• 32:04
  think it is very much like a pipeline.
• 32:06
  Maybe like the I don't know. We're all
• 32:07
  It feels like goofy to use this
• 32:09
  descriptor about yourself. We're all
• 32:10
  like at least like alt adjacent comics
• 32:13
  and like I don't know maybe it's like
• 32:15
  different if you can kind of work the
• 32:16
  road regionally in New England. Yeah.
• 32:19
  Yeah. I think um Boston has well at
• 32:25
  least like when I left like cuz a lot of
• 32:27
  places closed because of the pandemic
• 32:30
  like there's a weirder it's I don't know
• 32:34
  if it's better it's definitely like a a
• 32:35
  different ceiling like there's like you
• 32:38
  kind of I think now more clubs have
• 32:41
  opened but like when I when I left there
• 32:42
  was only the one real like or like there
• 32:46
  was like two comedy clubs one that like
• 32:48
  booked like regularly like local acts
• 32:51
  and that was like closed when I left.
• 32:54
  Yeah. I feel like every couple would
• 32:56
  like had the same cadra of like a couple
• 33:00
  they didn't really book a lot of they
• 33:01
  didn't like constantly replenish who
• 33:03
  they had. So it was it was kind of like
• 33:05
  hard like once you like got like like
• 33:07
  I'm regularly doing bar shows. There's
• 33:09
  not really a place for you to go from
• 33:11
  there. And I think that's gotten better
• 33:13
  since I've left which is cool. Like I
• 33:16
  feel like there's a lot more stuff to
• 33:18
  do, but like it was like and some of the
• 33:20
  bar I would say some bar shows there are
• 33:22
  like pretty good
• 33:25
  [ __ ] talk the scene anyway like
• 33:28
  incubator city. It's like great. I have
• 33:30
  a wonderful I think there's a great
• 33:31
  sense of community there. There was when
• 33:33
  I I think I think it's inherent to any
• 33:36
  city that isn't New York or LA or where
• 33:38
  the industry lives. Like Philly is also
• 33:40
  like they're everything is a pipeline in
• 33:43
  like even New York is in a certain sense
• 33:45
  a pipeline to LA a little bit. You know
• 33:48
  what I mean? It's also like you can't
• 33:50
  have a satisfying like very whole career
• 33:52
  in Boston without like moving to New
• 33:54
  York and I think it's through like
• 33:55
  touring and through being like a regular
• 33:57
  at the main like uh like the hideout or
• 34:00
  I don't know. I I will say I lived there
• 34:02
  pre- pandemic and from what I understand
• 34:04
  and like what I see like the pandemic
• 34:06
  did like kind of [ __ ] that city over in
• 34:08
  a big like bad way. It's like every like
• 34:11
  cool bar that used to have like a show
• 34:13
  is now like a [ __ ] Shake Shack or
• 34:15
  something. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I mean like
• 34:18
  Great Scott like Rob built like such a
• 34:20
  good show there. Oh, Great Scott. Seeing
• 34:22
  that close was like I I it was like
• 34:24
  after I moved and it was still brutal to
• 34:26
  me to see Great Scott clothes. I love
• 34:27
  that. Sorry. No, sorry. Like cuz you or
• 34:31
  um whoever mentioned like being like
• 34:33
  altered like like a lot of like the the
• 34:34
  alt rooms were really hit hard by the
• 34:37
  pandemic like the rooms that had like
• 34:38
  built like a kind of like a punk rock
• 34:40
  like fall away
• 34:43
  I also don't I don't want to talk about
• 34:44
  the scene as being so segmented with
• 34:46
  like alt and mainstream rooms because
• 34:48
  one I I think one asset of that scene
• 34:50
  was and I'm not one of these people
• 34:52
  that's like you need to do [ __ ] every
• 34:53
  room and be good for every audience but
• 34:55
  like there was a lot of
• 34:56
  cross-pollination like alt alt rooms
• 34:59
  mainstreams, what have you. And I feel
• 35:01
  like that that that's good for your
• 35:03
  development as a comic to like be tested
• 35:05
  like that from an outside perspective.
• 35:07
  And based on what I've heard, it does
• 35:09
  sound like having talked to you guys a
• 35:10
  bit that after you left the scene, there
• 35:13
  was some sort of specific like queer
• 35:16
  comedy spaces that developed on purpose
• 35:19
  deliberately or something. That was like
• 35:21
  starting before I left. Like I like like
• 35:25
  I'm I'm weighing in from an outside
• 35:26
  perspective to go I think that was true
• 35:28
  when you were there, but I think when
• 35:29
  they were there it sounds like it had
• 35:31
  changed. I don't know. That's cool to
• 35:33
  hear. Yeah, that wasn't really a thing
• 35:34
  when I was there. Or maybe maybe it was
• 35:36
  happening. I just wasn't privy to it.
• 35:37
  Also, check this guy out. Look at it.
• 35:40
  We're getting mixed media. That rhymes.
• 35:43
  We're getting 3D. Wow. Hell yeah. Yeah.
• 35:46
  Get get a little mixed media. I had I
• 35:48
  was playing with the one pipe cleaner. I
• 35:50
  was like, I got to get that. That's my
• 35:51
  favorite one I've done so far. There's a
• 35:53
  movie called Brain Matter where that
• 35:55
  happens. So that's beautiful. Oh, but I
• 35:58
  wanted to say though um Oh, those
• 36:00
  queers. Yes.
• 36:03
  Like one month the Boston episode. Yeah,
• 36:06
  there was like one one monthly one
• 36:08
  monthly. I think it's definitely grown a
• 36:09
  lot recently. Yeah. I also feel like
• 36:12
  just in general, this is maybe Well, I'm
• 36:14
  going to make a grand generalization. I
• 36:16
  feel like post pandemic queerness did
• 36:19
  become a little bit more uh like I feel
• 36:22
  like at least through like Tik Tok and
• 36:23
  through like the way that comedy
• 36:24
  expanded in the pandemic online it felt
• 36:26
  like it was kind of quote unquote like
• 36:28
  cooler or more accepted to be queer in
• 36:30
  your comedy like weirdly I don't know if
• 36:32
  this is kind of a grand generalization
• 36:33
  but at least that's how I felt where it
• 36:35
  was kind of like there were queer scenes
• 36:37
  popping up partially because I think
• 36:38
  everyone had been home and all of a
• 36:40
  sudden uh I feel like there was a little
• 36:42
  bit more of like an introspection moment
• 36:44
  and a lot more people at least in my
• 36:45
  experience like came out as queer post
• 36:47
  pandemic or like came out as trans. And
• 36:49
  so I wonder if the Boston scene
• 36:52
  of course it's like once you get the jab
• 36:53
  it's like you're a homosexual and I
• 36:55
  think the Boston scene of course
• 36:56
  reflects that. Um but at least that was
• 36:58
  my experience there in like 2020 2021
• 37:01
  did feel like there was and I feel like
• 37:02
  you were there at the same time. It felt
• 37:04
  like there was like mo a lot of the
• 37:06
  comics that I met around my own age were
• 37:09
  gay in an interesting way. Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:12
  Gay.
• 37:13
  Can I hit a boring gay?
• 37:17
  Did Did you feel that shift happening in
• 37:19
  like your own standup personally where
• 37:20
  you became a discussion doing a grand
• 37:22
  generalization based on my own personal
• 37:24
  experience? Yeah. Yeah. I do think I
• 37:26
  think I felt that in my standup and then
• 37:28
  I also I think it's one of those it's
• 37:29
  like an it's like where you meet
• 37:31
  somebody and then all of a sudden you
• 37:32
  see them around the city where it's like
• 37:33
  because I noticed that in myself I feel
• 37:35
  like all of a sudden I was like seeing
• 37:36
  it constantly in other people. Yeah.
• 37:38
  Anyway, I think I think that's totally
• 37:41
  you think am I interpreting this right
• 37:44
  that you made Boston? Yeah. Yeah. What
• 37:47
  I'm saying is if I hadn't been there
• 37:49
  Yeah. You went to the park PlayStation
• 37:51
  set off a gay bomb.
• 37:53
  I just think it was it was interesting
• 37:54
  because it felt like the reputation of
• 37:56
  Boston was like very straight and very
• 37:58
  like square and then I feel like in the
• 38:00
  2020 2021 scene like so many people were
• 38:02
  gay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Yeah.
• 38:05
  Definitely an emergence of queer comics.
• 38:07
  But I think you're totally right with
• 38:08
  that introspection thing that like a lot
• 38:10
  of people came out of the pandemic
• 38:12
  non-binary
• 38:14
  like I'm one of Yeah. one of those
• 38:15
  people. Honey, you're looking at them.
• 38:17
  Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So there's just
• 38:19
  more queers around, I guess, or more
• 38:23
  Yeah. different identities and stuff.
• 38:25
  Well, up until that point, it had all
• 38:28
  sounded very parallel to the Philly
• 38:31
  scene where I feel like the alt scene, I
• 38:34
  mean, literally the alt scene did end in
• 38:36
  co like the there was like a big good
• 38:38
  comedy theater was like the main alt
• 38:40
  space and that ended. Um, I'm part of
• 38:42
  the Philly alt scene diaspora. Um, but I
• 38:45
  from what I understand it hasn't it has
• 38:48
  I mean maybe it has I but I'm not fully
• 38:50
  tapped into the scene but I haven't
• 38:52
  heard about like a like a queer revival.
• 38:54
  I mean I've done like cool shows there.
• 38:56
  No, there's cool there's certainly cool
• 38:57
  shows but it's it's and I think maybe
• 39:01
  we're thinking of the same ones like
• 39:02
  Tattooed Moms or something. But it's
• 39:04
  like but they were there
• 39:06
  Johnny Bryes. Yeah, Johnny. Johnny as
• 39:09
  well. Yeah, that's the put it down one.
• 39:10
  Yeah. Um uh shout out to the homies.
• 39:12
  shout out uh Funhouse as well. And but
• 39:15
  it's like a lot of those people were
• 39:16
  there pre- pandemic except for Fun
• 39:18
  House, but um I I feel like there's no
• 39:21
  like queer scene in Philly. It feels
• 39:24
  like Yeah. Yeah. Or at least I'm not
• 39:26
  tapped into it anymore. Yeah. And I'm
• 39:28
  definitely not tapped into I don't know.
• 39:30
  It's like I I did like maybe like one I
• 39:32
  think there's like a few shows that are
• 39:34
  kind and not that like things should be
• 39:36
  focused on that. Well, okay. Things
• 39:38
  should be focused. Okay. That's I'm
• 39:40
  getting you cancel. Um, but not that it
• 39:44
  has to be focused on that, but just I
• 39:45
  don't think there was a community spot
• 39:46
  for queer people to really hang out.
• 39:49
  Right. Right. Weird because Philly is so
• 39:51
  queer, but the comedy scene itself was
• 39:54
  like a neighborhood in the middle of
• 39:55
  Philly. Yeah. Yeah. Philly Phillyy's
• 39:57
  wonderful. Everyone's [ __ ] you know,
• 40:00
  Philly was very was very lunch table
• 40:02
  though with a thing of like you would go
• 40:04
  to some spaces and they would be like
• 40:06
  you're saying slurs and you go to other
• 40:08
  spaces and it's like if you said a slur
• 40:10
  you'd get like kicked out, you know what
• 40:11
  I mean? Um, so it's like very it feel
• 40:14
  kind of had a civil war.
• 40:17
  That is what it kind of seems like. That
• 40:19
  kind of Yeah, it does feel like for like
• 40:21
  Boston's reputation that was pretty
• 40:23
  universally enforced that if you said a
• 40:26
  slur, no slurs. Yeah. People would um
• 40:30
  at least at the very least complain
• 40:33
  about you behind your back.
• 40:35
  I want more. Oh, you would get so
• 40:37
  gossiped about
• 40:40
  at the very But usually like that would
• 40:42
  Did you hear Who's headlining next?
• 40:44
  Yeah. would play on my it would usually
• 40:47
  show up on like I feel like I don't
• 40:49
  know. I love I I really I really like
• 40:52
  had a very uh good experience with
• 40:56
  Boston comedy. Like I feel like I think
• 40:59
  it was very helpful to like start and I
• 41:02
  didn't move
• 41:04
  um
• 41:05
  I didn't move cuz I thought I got too
• 41:07
  big for it. like it was cuz like
• 41:10
  uh my then girlfriend now wife like got
• 41:13
  a job like so like I was only just
• 41:15
  starting to kind of get like better
• 41:18
  bookings in Boston and then like I I
• 41:21
  instantly killed that momentum by
• 41:22
  leaving
• 41:25
  I was like getting I was finally getting
• 41:26
  like regular like uh studio bookings and
• 41:29
  it was cool and then the studio closed
• 41:32
  because of co and other reasons.
• 41:38
  There's so much for such a a small
• 41:41
  mostly good scene. So much drama. I feel
• 41:44
  like
• 41:46
  a drama dense scene that happens the
• 41:48
  smaller the scene. I noticed I I the
• 41:51
  funniest thing I always think about is I
• 41:52
  did a I did stand up in Tokyo like uh a
• 41:56
  couple years ago and like it dramaless.
• 41:59
  No, so like more drama like the smaller
• 42:02
  the like the scene, the more protective
• 42:04
  people feel of it. And I remember I
• 42:06
  could be misremembering. I remember that
• 42:08
  like if you did shows for one guy in
• 42:11
  Tokyo, you were not allowed to do shows
• 42:13
  for another guy. And this is all like an
• 42:14
  expat English language comedy scene
• 42:17
  that's like generously like 30 to 50
• 42:20
  people large. It's like it's so goofy.
• 42:23
  Well, I wonder if it's like because it I
• 42:26
  guess I mean just intuitively it matters
• 42:28
  to everybody in the space. So like if a
• 42:30
  if a scene is 100 people and somebody
• 42:32
  wrongs somebody else, everybody is
• 42:34
  aware. Whereas like if somebody wrongs
• 42:35
  somebody in New York comedy, you might
• 42:37
  not even know them. You might not know
• 42:39
  either of the people. Yeah. Or just like
• 42:40
  just go to another room. Yeah. Right.
• 42:43
  Yeah. You're you're forced to be in
• 42:45
  proximity to these people these. Yes.
• 42:47
  And also like I don't know maybe it's
• 42:48
  just like kind of overcompensation
• 42:50
  effect like your mind does on its own
• 42:52
  where it's just again you feel more
• 42:53
  protective about this [ __ ] Yeah. If
• 42:55
  it's if it means less not to sound
• 42:57
  shitty there's a there's a Facebook
• 42:59
  group called Philly Comedy Network and
• 43:01
  that was the you know you know Yeah. I
• 43:04
  love PCN. Oh my god. The PCN is was it
• 43:07
  still is uh but back in the day it was
• 43:10
  like the core and heart of a lot of
• 43:12
  drama. We we have the same thing in Oh
• 43:16
  yeah. Awesome comedians Facebook group
• 43:18
  was like notorious. We had to make part
• 43:19
  two.
• 43:21
  A lot of puppet related drama. Oh yeah,
• 43:24
  there's that. Speaking of weird, I
• 43:26
  thought that's who you were talking
• 43:27
  about. I also thought you were talking
• 43:30
  about uh No, he but he does have he does
• 43:33
  have that. Are you allowed to say Are
• 43:35
  you allowed to say we have to keep
• 43:36
  dancing around the name Hosalito the
• 43:38
  puppet?
• 43:40
  That's awesome. I forgot about that one.
• 43:43
  I was thinking of I was thinking of of
• 43:45
  of Kevin Dris. It's so funny that there
• 43:47
  are multiple puppet guys to talk about.
• 43:49
  Yeah.
• 43:51
  The puppet guy. He really is like an art
• 43:53
  form for just the most blackhearted of
• 43:55
  people. Your your the puppet guy da
• 43:58
  mentioned I don't know if you saw Kevin
• 44:00
  Driscoll. Yeah. Yeah. He recently had I
• 44:02
  think the most hellish bit I've ever
• 44:04
  seen. He say hellish. Hellish. Okay.
• 44:07
  Okay. He put a puppet mouth on a human
• 44:10
  child and then like moved that mouth. Oh
• 44:12
  my god. Somebody was telling me about
• 44:13
  this. It was like he like strapped like
• 44:15
  a porcelain mouth onto a child and then
• 44:18
  it like moved it and like
• 44:19
  ventriloquismed
• 44:21
  the child.
• 44:23
  Yeah. It was it was straight up say and
• 44:26
  they say drag is bad for kids.
• 44:29
  This I don't I don't even know that this
• 44:31
  is an art form. It's way worse for kids
• 44:36
  strapping mouths to them.
• 44:39
  I I will away weigh in. A necessary
• 44:41
  disclaimer for the camera. I don't know
• 44:43
  anything about Joseo the puppet and I
• 44:45
  don't know if he's bad or good or not.
• 44:47
  You're never going to work at this time.
• 44:49
  I just I just remember there is some
• 44:50
  drama going around the B the Blossom
• 44:53
  Comedians Facebook group involving a
• 44:55
  puppet named Hosalito. Duh. Puppet.
• 44:59
  That's all I'm privy though. Hosito.
• 45:02
  JDP I think puppet I think puppetry can
• 45:05
  be done well and funny but
• 45:10
  yeah concept
• 45:12
  we're like the biggest muppet adults
• 45:16
  yeah me and big big puppet heads in I
• 45:20
  think puppetry can be good in theory and
• 45:21
  that theory is if you strap a fake mouth
• 45:23
  to a child
• 45:25
  and you make him say racially charged
• 45:28
  things and then whoa this kid somebody
• 45:30
  beat up this
• 45:32
  Yeah. Yeah. Arguing with a heckler in
• 45:35
  the audience with my child puppet.
• 45:39
  I didn't say that. Yeah. I do like
• 45:41
  comedian destroys heckler, but the
• 45:42
  heckler is literally like their puppet.
• 45:46
  That is great. I do like that.
• 45:50
  Comedian destroys heckler. It's
• 45:51
  Statatler and Waldorf.
• 45:53
  Yeah. Just Yeah. Yeah. Same thought.
• 45:56
  Yeah. What if like the early Muppets
• 45:58
  were just like the most slurheavy
• 46:00
  racially tinged comedy? What do you
• 46:02
  mean? What if
• 46:04
  they What's uh do I What's racist about
• 46:06
  the Muppets other than this the Swedish
• 46:08
  chef? Have you watched the Muppet Show?
• 46:09
  There's like a bunch of episodes of the
• 46:10
  Muppet Show that Disney Plus had to put
• 46:12
  disclaimers in front of like this was a
• 46:14
  little racist. Oh, he's like I don't
• 46:16
  know like Gonzo wearing like a rice
• 46:17
  patty. Wait, I'll be so honest. I didn't
• 46:19
  know that. I was just making a joke.
• 46:22
  But it's awesome to reveal the racism
• 46:23
  deep within the Muppets. Well, in your
• 46:25
  joke, you kind of came at me with a lot
• 46:27
  of heat and I Well, they did like a lot
• 46:30
  of vaudeville numbers. Yeah. And then
• 46:32
  there was also Oh, interesting. And so
• 46:34
  then they would make the puppets. Wait,
• 46:35
  were the puppets doing like the puppets
• 46:36
  doing like minstal show stuff? Um,
• 46:38
  sometimes. Oh, wow. Not not often, but
• 46:42
  they did not ever do it, unfortunately.
• 46:45
  It wasn't their main thing. Yeah. It's
• 46:48
  not easy being
• 46:51
  And then it's like it's Kermit. It's
• 46:52
  Kermit. Kermit in the J. in a very
• 46:54
  specific outfit or a hat or something.
• 46:58
  He's trying he's trying to make a
• 47:00
  positive state.
• 47:02
  He's trying he's it was a outdated form
• 47:05
  of progressivism. Yeah. Foy's famous uh
• 47:09
  the jazz man character.
• 47:12
  He is Billy Crystal. Yeah, he's doing
• 47:14
  Billy Crystal dusted off after Katrina.
• 47:17
  You know that they Neil Diamond did the
• 47:19
  jazz singer like in the 80s. Wait,
• 47:22
  there's a remake of the jazz. Yeah,
• 47:24
  there's a remake. Yeah, he does it. Neil
• 47:25
  Diamond doesn't do black. He does. Wait,
• 47:28
  does he? Not the whole time. He does it
• 47:30
  for one number, which is nuts. Well, how
• 47:33
  often is Al Jolson doing it in the
• 47:35
  original one? Yeah, I think it's just I
• 47:36
  think a lot more than a lot.
• 47:39
  Oh, okay. No, they kind of amped it up
• 47:41
  in the 80s version where he just plays a
• 47:43
  black man in the movie.
• 47:46
  A costume is sort of like a puppet of
• 47:48
  the self.
• 47:50
  A costume is sort of like a puppet of
• 47:51
  the self. You're kind of getting into
• 47:53
  like if you dress up as like I don't
• 47:56
  know Big Bird or something. It is.
• 47:57
  You're literally a puppet. You're
• 47:58
  puppeting. Well, that's true. Yeah. But
• 48:00
  then Yeah. Same same goes for if you
• 48:01
  wear a certain type of racial outfit. I
• 48:03
  thought Big Bird was a guy. Yeah. Amed
• 48:06
  the dead. Big was a guy. Amed the dead
• 48:10
  guy.
• 48:12
  Yeah. Yeah. He Yeah. He wait. Yeah. Woke
• 48:15
  Jeff Dunham.
• 48:18
  This is just a guy I know named Doc Man.
• 48:20
  He could have been anything before he
• 48:22
  came.
• 48:24
  I worked in retail or like but not in a
• 48:27
  is that a non a nonster I'm trying to
• 48:30
  figure out like a Yeah. I bet like the
• 48:32
  gap kind of way like I actually worked
• 48:35
  at Wet Seal. I was Akmed worked at Wet
• 48:38
  Seal. What is Wet Seal? Was that you got
• 48:40
  Oh, no. This is It was like a made by
• 48:42
  children uh store at the mall. They made
• 48:45
  advertise that. Oh, they can't advertise
• 48:47
  it. No, no, it was like it was like Do
• 48:49
  you know like Charlotte Roose or any It
• 48:51
  was like [ __ ] kit clothes for
• 48:53
  13-year-olds. Yeah, that was wet seal
• 48:55
  and that's how they advertised. Yeah,
• 48:56
  exactly. I was very off. I thought Wet
• 48:59
  Seal was like a surfing equipment store.
• 49:02
  Like it was where you would go to get
• 49:03
  like a wet suit or something. It's for
• 49:05
  those Yeah. I think I just made that
• 49:07
  connection because of the name.
• 49:09
  I wasn't allowed to shop at Wet Seal. Um
• 49:12
  or or the mall, which I think shows. I
• 49:16
  don't know. You weren't allowed to shop.
• 49:17
  You're not allowed to shop at the mall.
• 49:18
  I wasn't allowed to go to the I wasn't
• 49:20
  allowed to go to the mall for a while
• 49:21
  because of like a safety concern. My mom
• 49:23
  thought it was dangerous. Yeah. Okay.
• 49:26
  Probably right. Well, in your mom's
• 49:28
  defense, I feel like you are a big
• 49:29
  atrisisk mall teen.
• 49:32
  That's really true. And you know,
• 49:33
  instead of going to the mall, I just did
• 49:35
  ketamine with my friends instead. Yeah.
• 49:38
  But you could have been doing that with
• 49:39
  adults.
• 49:42
  Yeah. Yeah. You could have been doing
• 49:43
  that in view of the staff at Claire's.
• 49:45
  Yeah. Were you a mall guy for any me?
• 49:48
  Yeah. Me? I mean, when I was a teen, I
• 49:51
  was in Singapore, so it was a little bit
• 49:52
  of a different vibe. Wait, what? Well,
• 49:55
  Singapore is kind of a I I might be
• 49:57
  about to say something incredibly uh
• 49:59
  insensitive. Singapore is like kind of a
• 50:01
  big mall, right? I mean, in many ways,
• 50:03
  it's like extremely safe and there are a
• 50:05
  lot of shopping centers, so you can kind
• 50:06
  of go wherever you want. Like a mall,
• 50:08
  you know how mall is extremely safe?
• 50:11
  Yeah. I mean, I think we I was allowed
• 50:13
  to go to the mall by myself because it
• 50:14
  was like that was kind of like the
• 50:16
  safest thing I could do. Okay. Um, so
• 50:19
  yeah, I was a bit of a mall kid, but I
• 50:21
  it was um you they had really good
• 50:22
  bubble tea at this place called Ion
• 50:24
  Orchard in Singapore. My sister and I
• 50:25
  would take a break from studying and go
• 50:27
  get bubble tea. That was kind of my
• 50:28
  break. It's like how when you get like a
• 50:29
  mango in a country where it's actually
• 50:31
  grown. Same thing with bubble with
• 50:33
  bubble tea. You get it. That's where
• 50:34
  they grow it. If you get bubble tea from
• 50:36
  an Asian country, I will Yeah, I imagine
• 50:39
  it is actually better. I was sort of
• 50:40
  doing a riff and then I was like that's
• 50:41
  probably true. It is very good. I will
• 50:42
  say that I think bubble tea is from
• 50:44
  maybe Taiwan and so don't you dare put
• 50:46
  that on the internet that it's from
• 50:47
  Singapore because people will kill I'm
• 50:49
  not saying it's from Singapore. I'm just
• 50:50
  saying it's closer to the source. That
• 50:51
  is true.
• 50:53
  Um but yes it is very good and I was
• 50:55
  What is I appreciate you
• 50:58
  a spell a yogurt. It's a it's a state of
• 51:01
  mind. Yeah. It's a sin of but I do
• 51:04
  appreciate you bringing me into the
• 51:05
  conversation cuz I was once again no
• 51:06
  doing nonver kind of crap. Can I ask you
• 51:10
  more questions about Singapore? Yeah.
• 51:12
  Wait, what what brought you there? Um,
• 51:13
  well, my my dad was in the hotel
• 51:15
  industry, which is why I was born in
• 51:16
  Vegas and I lived there for many years.
• 51:18
  Yeah, I remember that. Wait, so where
• 51:20
  did you go to school in Boston? Sorry,
• 51:21
  I'm jumping around a lot. Oh. Uh, Joe
• 51:23
  and I both went to Harvard. Wow. You
• 51:26
  dragged him. I really dragged him. I was
• 51:28
  like, I'm not doing this alone. Uhoh.
• 51:31
  National.
• 51:33
  That's why I've hidden That's why I've
• 51:34
  hidden their faces behind the mic
• 51:35
  stands. You'll never get me. They're
• 51:37
  anonymous. Betty, could you make like an
• 51:39
  episode? I'm aware that's a faux paw and
• 51:41
  I'll move the table in the future. I
• 51:42
  haven't figured out where to put it. But
• 51:43
  me and Joe are kind of the first
• 51:44
  sacrifices to Yeah. Betty, can you make
• 51:47
  like a podcast episode where studies?
• 51:51
  Try to move it if you like. I was going
• 51:53
  to say, Betty, can you do like a podcast
• 51:55
  episode where it's just like people who
• 51:56
  had 2.0 GPA?
• 51:59
  You don't know. Well, I did based on
• 52:01
  based on Joe's vibe. I did. Hey, I I I
• 52:08
  think I am dumb. I'm just good at
• 52:10
  school. Like I'm not I'm not smart when
• 52:12
  it matters. Yeah, I was both. I was uh I
• 52:15
  was dumb and bad at school. Yeah, I was
• 52:18
  the more common one, which is being both
• 52:20
  of those. Yeah, I'm smart, but I was bad
• 52:22
  at school. I'm sort of That's actually
• 52:25
  pretty common.
• 52:27
  I I was thinking the test
• 52:29
  off the Oh, no. You're a smart person.
• 52:32
  The school was a bad environment for
• 52:33
  you. But it's like, man, I I like really
• 52:35
  tried to be good at it like when I was
• 52:37
  asked to. And uh No, I I No, I I was
• 52:39
  also bad at school. I was also dumb at
• 52:41
  that. [ __ ] yeah, bro. Hell yeah. I just
• 52:43
  am very bad at putting effort into
• 52:45
  school. I feel like I don't know. I It's
• 52:47
  like It's kind of sad. I got like
• 52:49
  mediocre grades at communication school,
• 52:52
  you know? Where did you guys Where did
• 52:53
  you guys go? If not Harvard, by the way,
• 52:55
  I wasn't not Harvard. Where'd you guys
• 52:58
  go? I went to Sunni Bingmpington for a
• 53:00
  year and a half, which is a pretty good
• 53:01
  school. You went to Yeah. Binghamington.
• 53:03
  They like math. Yeah, they were like the
• 53:05
  one school that accepted me because I
• 53:07
  guess they had like a good essay or
• 53:08
  something. Hell yeah. You're downplaying
• 53:10
  it. You are downplaying the hell out of
• 53:12
  No, I don't. No, I was a bad student and
• 53:14
  I'm a I was a stupid child and I'm a
• 53:16
  stupid man. Well, now you're being mean.
• 53:19
  That child's not you anymore. You just
• 53:21
  you just insulted some child.
• 53:23
  Think about the longest time I said to
• 53:26
  myself, if I got someone who went to
• 53:27
  Harvard in the same room as me, I'm
• 53:29
  going to [ __ ] tell them off so bad.
• 53:32
  I'm going to give them a piece of my
• 53:33
  [ __ ] Well, you've been in the same
• 53:34
  room as us thousands of times over the
• 53:35
  last two years and now you're collaging.
• 53:38
  Yeah. Okay. I'm just I'm rolling up this
• 53:40
  AARP magazine.
• 53:44
  I'm I'm cruising for a bruise.
• 53:47
  I do have a follow-up question just
• 53:48
  about the subject of your former selves.
• 53:50
  Um, do you guys feel like generous
• 53:52
  towards the version of yourself and the
• 53:54
  version of standup that you did like
• 53:56
  many years ago or do you find it cringe
• 53:58
  or like what's what is your relationship
• 54:00
  to like the version of you that started
• 54:02
  standup? I find it pretty cringe. I find
• 54:03
  it pretty cringe. Yeah.
• 54:06
  Hey, good question. Uh, Benjamin. Uh, I
• 54:08
  would I would go with uh cringe and then
• 54:12
  uh I don't that's I think it was like a
• 54:15
  switch that flipped in like 2019 where I
• 54:18
  then like it from then on. Oh,
• 54:19
  interesting. You know what I mean? I
• 54:21
  mean, is there any like stand up who's
• 54:22
  like, I think I did my best work my
• 54:24
  first year. Does anybody think that?
• 54:27
  It's really weird. Did you Were you like
• 54:30
  often build as like Lil Benny or was
• 54:32
  that just for that?
• 54:35
  Comedian Benny. Comedian Benny.
• 54:36
  Comedian. No, no, that was a oneoff
• 54:38
  show. Um, was that your first year?
• 54:41
  No, that the comedian No, that was my
• 54:43
  show. No, no, that was I was a few years
• 54:45
  into um
• 54:48
  that would have been funny though. That
• 54:49
  would have been cool. That would have
• 54:50
  been a that was the hardest I ever
• 54:52
  bombed. Yeah, you would have quit
• 54:53
  probably. Not really.
• 54:57
  If I if I was brand new, that would have
• 54:58
  that would have rattled me. Um but no,
• 55:01
  yeah, I really I cringe at a lot of my
• 55:02
  early stuff and then yeah, I would
• 55:04
  deflect that back. I do want to know
• 55:05
  Donnie, where did you go to school?
• 55:06
  Where did you Oh, I went to Well, this
• 55:08
  actually this kind of play I went to
• 55:09
  Boston University. Um, and because a lot
• 55:13
  of the when I was in college, we filmed
• 55:15
  a lot of the standup shows there and I
• 55:17
  hosted the standup show and so a lot of
• 55:20
  my first sets are filmed. I can go back
• 55:22
  to that and really hurt myself.
• 55:26
  Yeah, it's all
• 55:29
  I have some like old and I would like
• 55:31
  [ __ ] incinerate. Oh yeah, I have my
• 55:33
  high school stand up too. Like really?
• 55:36
  Nice. You did stand up in high school. I
• 55:38
  did some at the my yeah my high school
• 55:40
  poetry club open like I did like a few
• 55:42
  sets that rocks which like I don't know
• 55:45
  if footage of those ever if they were
• 55:46
  filmed and if footage of those ever gets
• 55:48
  le leaked I'll have to like yeah [ __ ]
• 55:50
  you'll end it
• 55:53
  myself
• 55:55
  hack this man's so then I got I well I
• 55:57
  was going to say I got two two I'm going
• 55:59
  to move that the then I'm going to turn
• 56:01
  to the question of the early stuff for
• 56:02
  you two and also comma any relationship
• 56:06
  to the national lampoon
• 56:08
  Oh yeah.
• 56:10
  It's different from the national
• 56:11
  lampoon. Really? Oh, that is true. What?
• 56:13
  Yeah. Yeah. The National Lampoon makes
• 56:15
  movies like Straight to Video. Well,
• 56:17
  they also made the National Was like a
• 56:19
  spin-off.
• 56:21
  Oh, gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. They make movies
• 56:23
  called like The naked mile. Yeah. It's
• 56:26
  called like Putt Naked and it's about
• 56:27
  golf or something.
• 56:29
  Also, Animal House. Uh
• 56:33
  uh. Well, I did start doing standup in
• 56:38
  college through like the college standup
• 56:40
  club. Likewise to D. So, I'm really
• 56:43
  focused. I have dog [ __ ] fine motor
• 56:45
  skills. The real focus on that. Oh, I'm
• 56:48
  glad I'm glad somebody took that guy
• 56:49
  over. I thought he would be a good This
• 56:52
  is your captain speak. Adam Sandler
• 56:54
  woman.
• 56:59
  Um, but uh yeah, so I also have a lot of
• 57:02
  footage of me early on that is rough cuz
• 57:05
  they did film like every set and they
• 57:07
  really did and I didn't realize that
• 57:09
  like I thought I was doing like good at
• 57:12
  standup and then like once I stopped
• 57:14
  once I like left the standup club I was
• 57:16
  like oh everyone in the room was already
• 57:18
  my friend like oh that's why I was doing
• 57:21
  so good. I need to get a lot better at
• 57:24
  standup if I want to do anything out and
• 57:27
  about. But I tried once before the
• 57:31
  standup club. I did the Middle East open
• 57:34
  mic. Oh my god. When I was like two I
• 57:36
  was like Was Rob still hosting it? Yeah.
• 57:38
  Which was good cuz he was better. Well,
• 57:40
  I shouldn't do drama. But do you know
• 57:42
  what year this was? I wonder if we were
• 57:44
  I'm just trying to like see if we were
• 57:46
  in the same room at some point before
• 57:48
  like you. I didn't know that you should
• 57:50
  go to an open mic early to sign up. So I
• 57:53
  went like right at when it started and
• 57:56
  so I didn't go up until like 1:00 in the
• 57:58
  morning. Oh, sure. And I was doing it
• 58:01
  for the first time and bad
• 58:04
  and uh and I bombed so hard I didn't do
• 58:06
  stand up for like two years. Well, could
• 58:09
  you in an environment like that, could
• 58:11
  you even say you bombed? Oh, well, for
• 58:13
  context, the Middle East is a bar. Yeah.
• 58:17
  In Boston. I did not bombing. Well, it's
• 58:20
  like a bar not set up either to h to
• 58:22
  like hold it open. You know, I I would
• 58:24
  think that the jokes I did would have
• 58:26
  bombed in the most gracious of crowds.
• 58:29
  Like it was I was very not equipped to
• 58:32
  do what I was doing and then I did it
• 58:34
  under the worst. Like I did stack the
• 58:37
  odds against myself, but I was like,
• 58:38
  "Oh, I'm not cut out for this." Then I
• 58:41
  waited a while. Sure. And then like
• 58:43
  someone kind of talked me into going to
• 58:45
  the club meetings. No, the the way that
• 58:48
  like open mics work in Boston, it is
• 58:50
  literally like the reason I am sober
• 58:52
  right now cuz like you have to you had
• 58:54
  to like get to a place early to get
• 58:56
  signed up to get a good spot and you
• 58:57
  have nothing to do but like drink like
• 59:00
  while waiting for that. It would like
• 59:02
  create a horrible drinking habit in me
• 59:04
  that eventually led to like a six-pack a
• 59:06
  night like level and eventually I Yeah,
• 59:09
  I'm sober now. Somebody somebody asked
• 59:10
  me for comedy advice recently and I've
• 59:13
  been thinking about this a lot and this
• 59:14
  is my earnest advice is drink less.
• 59:18
  Honestly, that's my that's my best
• 59:20
  advice. I remember it's less now but
• 59:23
  when I started there was a real like
• 59:24
  culture of like smoking cigarettes at
• 59:26
  comedy shows like you would like hang
• 59:27
  out in the smoker circle outside.
• 59:30
  Remember like laughing. It's like when a
• 59:32
  comic like asks you for advice, you
• 59:34
  can't tell someone to start smoking. But
• 59:37
  it did help me. I wish I watched like
• 59:39
  the first episode or two of Mrs. Masel.
• 59:42
  I didn't really follow it cuz I wasn't
• 59:43
  really tracking the I don't know. I
• 59:45
  wasn't really whatever. But I remember
• 59:47
  there's like a scene. They're doing
• 59:48
  stand up and then they all go outside
• 59:49
  and they're stand outside the club and
• 59:51
  they're smoking and I was like that's
• 59:52
  the most accurate part of this I've seen
• 59:54
  so far is the outside hanging circle.
• 59:57
  Yeah. I don't think people do that
• 59:58
  anymore. Yeah. I have fiction bar
• 1:00:00
  people. You know people do that [ __ ]
• 1:00:01
  You smoke now? Yeah. Yeah. I smoke. I
• 1:00:04
  smoke but stand stand outside in a
• 1:00:05
  circle and chat. People do that [ __ ]
• 1:00:07
  Oh, well yeah. So I I No, not
• 1:00:09
  necessarily smoke, but yeah, you smoke.
• 1:00:10
  Yeah, it used to be more of a thing
• 1:00:11
  though. I don't know. Like it used to be
• 1:00:13
  way more prevalent. I think it depends
• 1:00:14
  on the space and if they're hanging
• 1:00:16
  inside. Like if you go to I think
• 1:00:17
  cigarettes are just expensive now
• 1:00:19
  though. Well, I'm not I'm not totally
• 1:00:21
  smoking. Absolutely. But I but it the I
• 1:00:24
  wasn't ever smoking. I was just doing
• 1:00:25
  the thing of standing in the the circle
• 1:00:27
  hang outside the bar. I was I was such a
• 1:00:30
  [ __ ] with smoking. I couldn't I Chris
• 1:00:34
  was bad at it, but I wanted to hang out
• 1:00:36
  with the cool guy. That's why that's why
• 1:00:38
  I don't understand. That's like uh That
• 1:00:40
  is like so funny cuz like I don't smoke
• 1:00:42
  anymore, but the habit to leave a room
• 1:00:44
  every what for five minutes like every
• 1:00:46
  hour with you. No, literally cuz I am
• 1:00:49
  like a restless person by nature and and
• 1:00:53
  like I can't I don't smoke. So now I
• 1:00:55
  just need to tell people like Yeah, I'll
• 1:00:56
  be back in like however long a rush song
• 1:00:58
  is.
• 1:01:00
  That is like I keep trying to quit but I
• 1:01:02
  need to leave a room and then I'm like,
• 1:01:04
  "Oh, okay. I need something to do." Bro,
• 1:01:05
  you could just like pace around the
• 1:01:07
  block like a maniac. That's what I do.
• 1:01:09
  Yeah, that would be better. This is sort
• 1:01:12
  of the conversation. A circle outside
• 1:01:14
  the bar, dude. But I really think the
• 1:01:16
  new thing is going to be collage circles
• 1:01:17
  outside of comedy shows. I think that
• 1:01:20
  like the circle outside the bar is the
• 1:01:23
  point of doing comedy. I love chatting
• 1:01:25
  and love the communal aspect. That's why
• 1:01:27
  I never understood why people go to a
• 1:01:30
  show, do their set, duck out without
• 1:01:32
  hanging or anything. Uh especially at
• 1:01:34
  the like start like it like what are you
• 1:01:38
  doing? Although I will say that that was
• 1:01:39
  something that always intimidated me
• 1:01:41
  about comedy is I like everyone said
• 1:01:43
  that it was about the hang and I was
• 1:01:44
  kind of like oh but I'm I'm tired and I
• 1:01:46
  like like the hang and I love everybody
• 1:01:48
  but I'm scared of you or like it was
• 1:01:50
  kind of a scary environment to be like I
• 1:01:52
  don't know anyone I'm going to like
• 1:01:53
  stand in this circle with sometimes
• 1:01:55
  people who are like smoking and I don't
• 1:01:56
  smoke or like I think I that made it was
• 1:01:58
  a little bit of a barrier to me in the
• 1:01:59
  beginning because I was scared about the
• 1:02:01
  like okay how much of this is genuinely
• 1:02:03
  about making friends. Were you like an
• 1:02:05
  outgoing like kid or something? Kind I
• 1:02:07
  randomly started comedy when I was like
• 1:02:09
  11. Um yeah, in Singapore. Wait, what?
• 1:02:13
  How does that work? What? Yeah, just cuz
• 1:02:16
  like uh it was like the scene. Yeah, the
• 1:02:18
  scene in Singapore. Now I think it's
• 1:02:20
  probably great. Um lot of spitting.
• 1:02:24
  Exactly. Um but yeah, I started when I
• 1:02:26
  was in like middle school randomly and
• 1:02:28
  uh cuz there was like a comedy
• 1:02:29
  competition at school and I was the only
• 1:02:30
  one that signed up. So I like started
• 1:02:32
  doing stand up at assemblies and it was
• 1:02:33
  really bad but it was like adorable and
• 1:02:34
  every time I would do a set it was like
• 1:02:36
  an entirely new five minutes in front of
• 1:02:38
  like my 900 person middle school and
• 1:02:41
  then I would like throw that five
• 1:02:42
  minutes away and like write a new five
• 1:02:43
  minutes for the next time and that's
• 1:02:46
  kind of me in high school. That's right.
• 1:02:47
  Yeah. It's like it's a terrible way to
• 1:02:49
  do comedy and ultimately I had to
• 1:02:51
  unlearn so much of the stuff that I was
• 1:02:52
  doing back then. But when I I branched
• 1:02:54
  out into like the Singapore local scene
• 1:02:56
  when I was like 15 or so and they were
• 1:02:58
  very nice to me, but it was a very
• 1:02:59
  intimidating thing to be like, "Oh my
• 1:03:01
  god, there are all these comics who know
• 1:03:02
  each other and I don't really know what
• 1:03:03
  to do." Was there like an expat like
• 1:03:04
  Singapore comedy scene? There's I It was
• 1:03:06
  more of like a local scene, I will say.
• 1:03:09
  I don't think there were I mean, there
• 1:03:10
  were some expats. I'm sure now it's a
• 1:03:12
  lot bigger. Um Well, was it the English
• 1:03:14
  language? Yes. Yeah, it was there there
• 1:03:16
  I'm sure was also like a Chinese
• 1:03:17
  language scene. the first n the first
• 1:03:20
  language in Singapore is English just
• 1:03:22
  because they were a British colony. So
• 1:03:23
  that was like kind of prevalent. But
• 1:03:25
  there were people that were there were a
• 1:03:26
  lot of like very specific local jokes
• 1:03:28
  like there would be a lot of like Malay
• 1:03:29
  comedians for example who would make
• 1:03:31
  very specific references to like
• 1:03:32
  Malaysia Singapore kind of differences
• 1:03:34
  and that would really go over well. But
• 1:03:36
  I do remember being really intimidated
• 1:03:37
  by the like conversations people would
• 1:03:39
  have after or the expectation that you
• 1:03:41
  should be also like friends with
• 1:03:42
  everyone. It it does kind of like
• 1:03:43
  consistently amaze me that like there
• 1:03:46
  isn't like there isn't like a version of
• 1:03:48
  standup comedy that like outside of the
• 1:03:51
  English language that are like as
• 1:03:52
  popular as English language standup
• 1:03:54
  comedy. You would think it would be like
• 1:03:56
  popular in all cultures cuz it's so like
• 1:03:58
  basic and elemental and art form. I
• 1:04:00
  guess it's just a person talking to a
• 1:04:01
  microphone in front of a crowd. But it's
• 1:04:03
  like I think weirdly there are I think
• 1:04:05
  we just aren't privy to it. Like I think
• 1:04:07
  there are some comics I they are now but
• 1:04:10
  like you you would expect there would be
• 1:04:11
  like a tradition of it going back like
• 1:04:13
  thousands of years or something like
• 1:04:15
  that. It's not it's not even that old in
• 1:04:17
  in English. It's like what like they did
• 1:04:19
  it in the '9s by but
• 1:04:23
  it was invented in what like 2010. How
• 1:04:25
  old is Louis?
• 1:04:28
  But it but it was lit like literally
• 1:04:30
  invented in what like the late 1800
• 1:04:32
  early 1900s like Mark Twain would do
• 1:04:34
  like these like long lecture or like
• 1:04:36
  there's like this British form and also
• 1:04:38
  Mark Twain and then like vaudeville and
• 1:04:40
  all kind of coalesed in this way where
• 1:04:42
  once like once you had like radio people
• 1:04:45
  started having to do like their own
• 1:04:47
  material cuz before that everybody was
• 1:04:49
  like kind of sharing stuff all road
• 1:04:51
  jokes. It was all it was all road jokes
• 1:04:53
  because people wouldn't know that you
• 1:04:54
  were sharing material. Yeah. And then
• 1:04:56
  once once recording and like public
• 1:04:58
  broadcasting became a thing, ownership
• 1:05:00
  of material became like a you know what
• 1:05:02
  I mean? Well, don't people say like Bob
• 1:05:03
  Hope was the first standup comedian in
• 1:05:05
  like the modern sense? Like I don't
• 1:05:07
  know. That's I could see that. This is
• 1:05:09
  like the lamest thing to know a lot
• 1:05:10
  about. I mean I don't know, man. It's I
• 1:05:12
  think it's so cool.
• 1:05:14
  It feels kind of derivative of like you
• 1:05:16
  know you know like back back in the day
• 1:05:17
  like traveling players like the chest
• 1:05:20
  the who could tell the king the bad news
• 1:05:22
  in town. Yeah. Speaking of it being lame
• 1:05:25
  because I am because I am serious. Uh
• 1:05:27
  I'm curious about what do you think the
• 1:05:29
  current vibe is of standup
• 1:05:35
  aesthet?
• 1:05:37
  Yeah. Aesthetically. What do people
• 1:05:38
  think of it? What do you guys Uh I think
• 1:05:40
  it's kind of it I think it's kind of
• 1:05:42
  like seen as it was for a while seen as
• 1:05:44
  generally lame. I feel like but I don't
• 1:05:46
  know I people who go to it go to a good
• 1:05:49
  show enjoy it. I don't know maybe that
• 1:05:51
  seems dumb to point out but like I
• 1:05:53
  everybody I meet a lot of people who
• 1:05:55
  like go to standup and I'm kind of like
• 1:05:56
  surprised by how much they enjoy going
• 1:05:58
  to a good show. Yeah because I don't I
• 1:06:01
  think the conception is that comedians
• 1:06:02
  are kind of tryh hard and that's the
• 1:06:05
  least cool thing you can be now. I
• 1:06:06
  wonder if it's because like if you go to
• 1:06:08
  see if you go to see like a good
• 1:06:09
  concert, it'll be great. Like it'll be
• 1:06:11
  good music hopefully. Yeah. But there's
• 1:06:13
  so much standup on the internet and
• 1:06:15
  there's so much like you can just post
• 1:06:17
  you playing guitar in your bedroom. And
• 1:06:18
  I think people think that like Well,
• 1:06:20
  yeah. Well, culturally there's like the
• 1:06:22
  Rogan of it all, which is like bad PR
• 1:06:24
  for stand. And on top of that, it's just
• 1:06:26
  it's a it's impossible to do this and
• 1:06:30
  seem cool and over it and like you don't
• 1:06:32
  care. Yeah, you can play music and seem
• 1:06:34
  like you don't care. That's impossible
• 1:06:35
  to stand up. It's like a [ __ ] a guy.
• 1:06:37
  Can you imagine being like a puppeteer
• 1:06:39
  and trying to come off like you don't
• 1:06:40
  care what the audience thinks of you?
• 1:06:42
  You went through the effort to like put
• 1:06:44
  that fake mouth on that child's face. Of
• 1:06:46
  course you care. Kermit on Rogan.
• 1:06:52
  I just feel like
• 1:06:54
  I've been doing my own research.
• 1:06:57
  Yeah, that basically that basically is
• 1:06:59
  Jordan Peters. It's like the joke about
• 1:07:01
  this chimp.
• 1:07:03
  Yeah. Gender critical Kermit.
• 1:07:06
  Who know? It's not being green is
• 1:07:09
  difficult.
• 1:07:10
  We have it harder than the white. Sorry.
• 1:07:13
  I don't know. I don't Anyway, that's
• 1:07:14
  actually No, he he Kermit Don Ro would
• 1:07:17
  be like, "Actually, white men have it
• 1:07:18
  harder than
• 1:07:21
  Kermit would be like the thing about
• 1:07:22
  trans women in sports."
• 1:07:25
  I don't know what Gonzo is that he needs
• 1:07:27
  to tell me.
• 1:07:30
  I want an inspection.
• 1:07:33
  Transopig go.
• 1:07:36
  I do think there's like an interesting
• 1:07:37
  trend within standup where it's kind of
• 1:07:40
  in a way that's maybe reflective of the
• 1:07:41
  country. It's it's been kind of split
• 1:07:44
  into camps of I think the people who
• 1:07:46
  think that comedy is getting too soft or
• 1:07:47
  people are too sensitive and then are
• 1:07:49
  going like in an alt-right direction and
• 1:07:51
  that side is becoming extremely insular.
• 1:07:53
  And then I think there's also like kind
• 1:07:55
  of a fun queer like alt scene or um
• 1:07:57
  people who uh maybe think that standup
• 1:08:00
  is not just about like saying the most
• 1:08:02
  offensive thing you can think of. And I
• 1:08:03
  feel like uh the audiences like aren't
• 1:08:06
  crossing over in the way that they used
• 1:08:07
  to. Like it feels like there are fewer
• 1:08:09
  universally beloved comics. It's more
• 1:08:11
  like everyone has their segmented
• 1:08:13
  audience depending on like where they
• 1:08:14
  fall politically or like the obviously
• 1:08:16
  the type of stuff they talk about. But I
• 1:08:18
  don't know. That's kind of a hot take.
• 1:08:19
  Well, I don't think there's like a not
• 1:08:21
  like that. Growing up, I think we all
• 1:08:23
  grew up with like Comedy Central would
• 1:08:26
  have like the or like HBO would have
• 1:08:28
  like the big new special
• 1:08:31
  where do you turn and now everyone just
• 1:08:33
  kind of self- selects what they watch.
• 1:08:35
  So, I think people don't I remember it's
• 1:08:37
  like a big gripe with a lot of standup
• 1:08:38
  comedians that like you know lay men
• 1:08:40
  like people who don't do comedy believe
• 1:08:42
  that there's only one genre of comedy
• 1:08:44
  and it is comedy. I remember that would
• 1:08:45
  like stick in the crowd of a lot of
• 1:08:46
  comedians. I think there's more of like
• 1:08:48
  an understanding of that these days cuz
• 1:08:51
  it is like very easy to like silo
• 1:08:53
  yourself off. Not saying that's a good
• 1:08:55
  or bad thing and just only enjoy the
• 1:08:57
  kind of like comedy that you Sorry. I'm
• 1:09:01
  I'm terribly sorry to briefly derail,
• 1:09:02
  but Freddy, I know you have a heart out
• 1:09:04
  at 8:30. Oh, yes. Is that right? It is
• 1:09:06
  about to be 8:30. Oh my gosh, time
• 1:09:08
  flies. Yeah. Can I super quick read this
• 1:09:10
  uh Rod Stewart quote from AP magazine?
• 1:09:13
  Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. Okay. Uh Rod
• 1:09:15
  Stewart, I was also going to say we can
• 1:09:17
  Freddy is We might keep going for No,
• 1:09:19
  please please do in my absence. Yeah,
• 1:09:21
  I'm sorry that I have We'll put your
• 1:09:22
  collies like Yeah, feel free to You're
• 1:09:26
  welcome to actually just guess anything
• 1:09:27
  you would like to about what I would
• 1:09:29
  say. Yeah. Pretty puppet. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:09:32
  Yeah, we could just keep like a still
• 1:09:35
  image of them.
• 1:09:38
  Can Can I present before I leave? Oh,
• 1:09:39
  that's sick as hell. And then we'll do
• 1:09:41
  the last quote. Don't you worry. This is
• 1:09:43
  my collage. It's a um it's uh the four
• 1:09:46
  people from uh 80 for Brady and the
• 1:09:48
  subheading is the Atlanta Falcons,
• 1:09:50
  Masters of Duplicity. And then um this
• 1:09:53
  was like a a Curtis Hunson or something
• 1:09:56
  painting and I made it say Teresa is
• 1:09:58
  [ __ ] Um and then it's the woman walking
• 1:10:00
  her husband and someone standing in a
• 1:10:03
  painting and then there's a little bit
• 1:10:05
  of a pipe cleaner situation. That's just
• 1:10:06
  for the audio listeners. That's a truly
• 1:10:08
  beautiful object. Thank you. I would
• 1:10:10
  like to say you are welcome. You're
• 1:10:12
  welcome to take that with you and show
• 1:10:14
  it to the camera on the way. Oh, yeah.
• 1:10:15
  Yeah, I will. Genuinely. And I will. By
• 1:10:17
  the way, this podcast goes on forever
• 1:10:19
  until each of you chooses to drop out.
• 1:10:22
  That's like the long walk.
• 1:10:24
  Vampire
• 1:10:26
  invited to leave.
• 1:10:29
  Where where are you off to? Oh, I um I'm
• 1:10:32
  making a web series with Tessel. Oh,
• 1:10:34
  shout out Tessel. Shout out Tessel.
• 1:10:36
  Former guest of the pod. Yes. Yes. Yes.
• 1:10:38
  Yes. And we are editing it tonight with
• 1:10:39
  our director Mabel over in Park Loop.
• 1:10:41
  Oh, cool. So, unfortunately, I must go.
• 1:10:43
  We'll have a great time. Lovely. Thank
• 1:10:44
  you. Can't wait to see you. Yeah, for
• 1:10:47
  sure. For sure. Can't wait to put it
• 1:10:48
  out. Sorry, Joe. Sorry, sir. I've wanted
• 1:10:50
  to sit in Joe's lap all night and
• 1:10:54
  look at
• 1:10:56
  I'll do a brief show and tell to the
• 1:10:57
  camera. Hell yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah. For
• 1:11:02
  Brady, thank you for Would you like any
• 1:11:04
  of the magazines back then? They're kind
• 1:11:06
  of destroyed form. Are my roommates? I
• 1:11:08
  might take the ones that are really nice
• 1:11:11
  if that is
• 1:11:14
  woman.
• 1:11:16
  Thank you so much. Thanks for coming.
• 1:11:18
  Yeah, good to see you. Sorry Freddy had
• 1:11:20
  to leave. Sorry you couldn't see
• 1:11:21
  Freddy's face for the whole damn time.
• 1:11:24
  This is what I looked like. Yeah, even
• 1:11:26
  show. That's funny. This is what I
• 1:11:29
  looked like. He's like right behind
• 1:11:31
  disembodied voice. I'm going to be this
• 1:11:33
  audio from Rod Stewart and the AP. Yes.
• 1:11:37
  I need Do you think I'm sexy? Was like a
• 1:11:40
  pink toilet seat around my neck.
• 1:11:44
  Um,
• 1:11:47
  in Britain that means albatross.
• 1:11:51
  You know that readily recognizable
• 1:11:53
  metaphor? A pink toilet seat. Toilet
• 1:11:55
  seat around my neck. And then my wife's
• 1:11:57
  the ball in trade.
• 1:12:00
  Yeah. Why? I I'm just trying to like
• 1:12:01
  specify like pink. Is pink supposed to
• 1:12:04
  denote tacky? It's even tackier than a
• 1:12:06
  regular factory grade toilet seat. It's
• 1:12:09
  It's strange to have a toilet seat
• 1:12:10
  around your neck in general. Sure, of
• 1:12:12
  course. One would think. No
• 1:12:13
  disagreement. Just throwing up. And it
• 1:12:15
  was still like, what are you not putting
• 1:12:17
  the seat up? You know what I mean? Put
• 1:12:19
  the seat up. Wait, it's pink. I can't
• 1:12:21
  touch it.
• 1:12:23
  Turn me.
• 1:12:25
  I don't mean to derail. I did mean to
• 1:12:27
  derail because I had to free Freddy.
• 1:12:30
  Hashtag free.
• 1:12:32
  We respect we Freddy needs to be
• 1:12:35
  released. Um but uh but right before
• 1:12:38
  that we were cooking and I and I I do I
• 1:12:42
  do want to see if we can tap right back
• 1:12:43
  in. You were about to say something. I
• 1:12:44
  had I derailed. I have no sure. Now that
• 1:12:47
  we're now we're in a Bughive after dark.
• 1:12:51
  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is an old swim of
• 1:12:53
  Bug. That was Cartoon Network. Now that
• 1:12:55
  Freddy's gone, we can say how we really
• 1:12:57
  [ __ ] feel. Yeah. We're talking about
• 1:13:01
  like how comedy's gotten like a little
• 1:13:03
  or comedy fandom has gotten a little
• 1:13:06
  more silent. Oh yeah, comedy is still
• 1:13:08
  pretty broad which is cool. I think
• 1:13:10
  there's still like a lot of different
• 1:13:13
  scenes, a lot of different kinds of
• 1:13:14
  comedy. So you're saying there's no
• 1:13:16
  universal.
• 1:13:18
  Wow. I really no one like
• 1:13:23
  I feel like
• 1:13:25
  I Betty if you're implying the vibes are
• 1:13:27
  off. I don't feel that way. Oh, no, no,
• 1:13:28
  no. Just just that uh I'm there's a
• 1:13:31
  brief just a there's it's
• 1:13:35
  got to reconnect, gentlemen. Yeah. No,
• 1:13:37
  we got just we just got to get on a good
• 1:13:38
  jag again. Yeah. I'm going to clean it
• 1:13:41
  up. Hey, would you like any this, by the
• 1:13:43
  way, uh, basically, okay, here's here's
• 1:13:45
  the situation is that Michael Candell
• 1:13:48
  came on and made a a beautiful thing,
• 1:13:50
  but it was like kind of like this pipe
• 1:13:52
  cleaner thing of like a guy uh doggy
• 1:13:55
  style [ __ ] It was like two people who
• 1:13:57
  were very clearly [ __ ] doggy style.
• 1:13:59
  You could do that. Oh my god. Oh, with
• 1:14:01
  with pipe cleaners. It was quite
• 1:14:02
  amazing. However, I didn't know where to
• 1:14:05
  put it or what to do with it, and it was
• 1:14:06
  huge and in the way, so I ended up uh
• 1:14:09
  You deconstructed it.
• 1:14:11
  Oh, is that is that all from the one
• 1:14:14
  pipe cleaner paint? That actually might
• 1:14:15
  not be true. There's so many pipe
• 1:14:16
  cleaners just for two people [ __ ]
• 1:14:18
  doggy stuff. You know, that literally I
• 1:14:20
  now I look at these, I think that's
• 1:14:21
  actually not true. I think that these
• 1:14:22
  were a different object. Whoa. Oh,
• 1:14:24
  that's nice. This is the sperm for the
• 1:14:26
  doggy stuff. Big sperm. Yeah, we had we
• 1:14:29
  had a my my at the school I work at, the
• 1:14:33
  kids were doing like electives of like
• 1:14:36
  they've been like trying out different
• 1:14:37
  electives and they had like They had
• 1:14:41
  they had they had drawing slashcreative
• 1:14:44
  writing as the elective they tried to
• 1:14:46
  do. So I had one of my kids who he's
• 1:14:49
  like a 19-year-old guy with uh autism
• 1:14:52
  and he uh was like I I know what I'm
• 1:14:55
  going to do. I know what I'm going to
• 1:14:56
  do. He just he just drew a penis and
• 1:14:58
  then wrote dick in a butt in case in
• 1:15:01
  case you weren't sure what it because I
• 1:15:03
  want to write it down because this is a
• 1:15:04
  thing I say sometimes.
• 1:15:05
  [Laughter]
• 1:15:08
  Thanks for clearing that up. Okay, so
• 1:15:10
  what I did with this is I mashed it into
• 1:15:11
  a ball. However, in this moment, I'm
• 1:15:14
  very curious to see if it will unfurl
• 1:15:16
  appropriately to the to the to the two
• 1:15:19
  to the two folks [ __ ] doggy style. I
• 1:15:22
  have to do it carefully so I don't break
• 1:15:24
  into the object. But honestly, so far, I
• 1:15:27
  think it's working. There's basically
• 1:15:29
  like a platform. You can think that if
• 1:15:30
  you want.
• 1:15:33
  You don't think? How do you do, Doug?
• 1:15:36
  Wait, wait.
• 1:15:39
  Feel free. Oh, wait. Okay. Oh, we're
• 1:15:41
  getting close. Oh my god. We can We can
• 1:15:44
  Oh my god. I think we're going to get
• 1:15:45
  it. This is Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Okay, I
• 1:15:49
  got the one. Okay, this kind of looks
• 1:15:51
  like like a Junjiito illustration of two
• 1:15:54
  people [ __ ]
• 1:15:56
  just absolute horror chaos. Now, now
• 1:16:00
  explain that reference for people. Is
• 1:16:02
  that the spiral lines? Like, yeah. Ito
• 1:16:05
  is a Japanese manga artist. Horror
• 1:16:08
  artist. Horror mangaka.
• 1:16:12
  He makes creepy pictures. Yeah. Joe,
• 1:16:14
  look at me. Look at me, Joe. He's a
• 1:16:16
  horror manga. Yeah. Famous for Guio. Uh
• 1:16:19
  Uzumaki.
• 1:16:22
  Tommy. That is very good. That is He
• 1:16:25
  does have a really good version of I've
• 1:16:27
  been reading this book. Speaking of
• 1:16:28
  depressing things, I've been reading
• 1:16:30
  this book called No Longer Human. Do you
• 1:16:32
  guys know that book? No, I don't know
• 1:16:33
  this. Oh, it's just a book about a guy
• 1:16:35
  that just keeps trying to kill himself
• 1:16:36
  and keeps failing. Oh boy. This is good
• 1:16:39
  for the pod. This is a book. This is a
• 1:16:41
  book. A novel. It's actually
• 1:16:43
  semi-autobiographical about the the
• 1:16:46
  author. Oh, interesting. Try to kill
• 1:16:49
  himself and it doesn't work. Yeah. And
• 1:16:50
  then he kills himself. And the author or
• 1:16:52
  the guy in the book? The author. Okay.
• 1:16:54
  Yeah. Well, that's nice. Wait, no, the
• 1:16:57
  author. Oh, that's bad. That's very sad.
• 1:16:59
  I thought this was this would be good um
• 1:17:01
  talk while while uh The doggy styles
• 1:17:04
  unfurled.
• 1:17:06
  I haven't quite gotten it all the way,
• 1:17:07
  but this is the top person with the eyes
• 1:17:10
  up here. The eyes are up here. Uh
• 1:17:14
  they're kind of holding on to the back
• 1:17:15
  of this other person's head. Oh,
• 1:17:21
  okay. And they're kind It's hard to It
• 1:17:24
  seems like the bottom person is kind of
• 1:17:27
  been shattered from the waist down. Does
• 1:17:30
  that not happen to you, Joe? They were
• 1:17:32
  connected at the hip. If you showed that
• 1:17:34
  to a hundred people, 100 people would
• 1:17:35
  say that's doggy style. Family feud.
• 1:17:39
  We showed a mashed up pipe cleaner. 100
• 1:17:43
  married. I would say it's not doggy
• 1:17:45
  style. And Steve Harvey would give me
• 1:17:46
  that famous face. People's like, "What
• 1:17:49
  the hell?" You guys ready? It's getting
• 1:17:51
  mashed back into
• 1:17:55
  That's what I want to do when I see two
• 1:17:56
  people having sex before marriage. This
• 1:17:59
  is a great This is the abstract concept
• 1:18:01
  of doggy style mashed together. Like
• 1:18:04
  this is if you could hold in your hand
• 1:18:07
  doggy style. If if Yeah, you've heard of
• 1:18:10
  69. This is point0000001.
• 1:18:15
  An infantestimally small point in space
• 1:18:18
  of two people [ __ ] Hey. Hey
• 1:18:20
  everybody. Just like uh just like Joe, I
• 1:18:22
  also got married.
• 1:18:24
  Hey, look at my look at my [ __ ] hand.
• 1:18:26
  There we go. Got to put some pipe
• 1:18:28
  cleaner around my This guy's married to
• 1:18:30
  the bit. Yeah, married to the bed. Yeah,
• 1:18:32
  let's make puppets, shall we? Yes. Do we
• 1:18:35
  have the ability to [ __ ] it? Do we have
• 1:18:37
  any uh bags? Oh,
• 1:18:41
  wow. What's this guy's name? I'm the
• 1:18:43
  Boston comedy scene.
• 1:18:47
  I'm going to make Rogan Kermit like we
• 1:18:49
  talked about. We have like Ker make
• 1:18:51
  Kermit who's extremely concerned about
• 1:18:53
  the sanctity of women's mixed martial
• 1:18:54
  arts.
• 1:18:58
  It's It's like Miss Piggy.
• 1:19:00
  [Music]
• 1:19:05
  He's wor He's Yeah, he's worried that
• 1:19:06
  she'll be I'm in a bad headsp space
• 1:19:08
  right now. I was watching like a lot of
• 1:19:09
  YouTube documentaries about mixed
• 1:19:11
  martial arts. I've just been every
• 1:19:13
  everybody I walk down the street, I just
• 1:19:15
  want you just to take them down. Did you
• 1:19:17
  ever do a martial art? I feel like white
• 1:19:20
  guy in the suburbs of Boston. No, I did
• 1:19:22
  not. No, I never did that. That is
• 1:19:25
  surprising actually. Oh, that's very
• 1:19:27
  sweet that you guys think I uh I don't
• 1:19:29
  know. I'm an athlete like that. Yeah. Or
• 1:19:31
  like at least at one point. No, never. I
• 1:19:33
  I did like karate in grade school.
• 1:19:35
  That's That is exactly when I pinned
• 1:19:37
  you. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. I thought you
• 1:19:39
  did. Oh, I thought you were describing
• 1:19:41
  me as like a midlife crisis jiu-jitsu
• 1:19:43
  guy. That's like what like we like the
• 1:19:47
  suburbs of Boston. You did karate? Yeah.
• 1:19:50
  Did you do karate? I did jiu-jitsu cuz I
• 1:19:53
  was worried about getting hit. You did
• 1:19:54
  child Wait, did you do child jiu-jitsu?
• 1:19:57
  Yeah, I have a jun I have a junior black
• 1:19:59
  belt. I didn't even know that existed.
• 1:20:01
  Junior black belt. Yeah, they're letting
• 1:20:03
  they're letting children be divorced
• 1:20:04
  now.
• 1:20:06
  I I assumed I'd be bullied, so I wanted
• 1:20:09
  to defend myself, but I didn't. I
• 1:20:10
  assumed I didn't want to get hit, so I
• 1:20:14
  did the I did the one that was more
• 1:20:16
  grapple based. Preemptive striking a
• 1:20:18
  bully is funny. Yeah, I I was afraid of
• 1:20:20
  being bullied, so I did the most
• 1:20:21
  homoeronic martial arts. And then it's
• 1:20:24
  just like the it's a contest. See who
• 1:20:26
  can sit on another guy first.
• 1:20:29
  It it was eye opening.
• 1:20:32
  But then I would also I was so short
• 1:20:34
  like I was like 12 or 13 but then I
• 1:20:37
  would have I would I was only like
• 1:20:38
  allowed to spar with the one
• 1:20:40
  eight-year-old girl cuz we were the only
• 1:20:42
  ones that were the same height and it
• 1:20:44
  would have been too mean for her to have
• 1:20:45
  to spar someone else. I was going to say
• 1:20:47
  we can't let Joe Rogan hear about that.
• 1:20:50
  He's going to get like men are
• 1:20:52
  infiltrating women's children's mixed
• 1:20:54
  martial arts. No, I didn't I didn't want
• 1:20:56
  to. And then like but like everyone else
• 1:20:58
  was too big and she still cried every
• 1:21:01
  time I grappled her. Wow. Because it was
• 1:21:05
  she was too I I think like the
• 1:21:07
  eight-year-olds are probably too young
• 1:21:08
  for jiu-jitsu.
• 1:21:10
  At least intrusive question. How old are
• 1:21:13
  you? 30. Okay. I wasn't at the time of
• 1:21:16
  grappling. Yeah, I wasn't implying. I
• 1:21:19
  was just like trying to like Yeah. I'm
• 1:21:21
  just trying to like chart in my head. I
• 1:21:22
  was like, was jiu-jitsu really like that
• 1:21:24
  popular when you were a child? They were
• 1:21:25
  having so strange. Like close in age.
• 1:21:30
  Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't
• 1:21:32
  like I don't I think it was like
• 1:21:34
  definitely less popular than karate.
• 1:21:36
  Like karate was like the thing to do,
• 1:21:39
  right? But well, yeah, karate is just
• 1:21:42
  like the generic like Xerox brand of
• 1:21:45
  like martial arts if you live in the
• 1:21:46
  suburbs. I think it's so funny that
• 1:21:48
  there's like strip malls where it'll be
• 1:21:50
  like candles and then like like Chinese
• 1:21:54
  food and then like karate. You can like
• 1:21:56
  you can go to the store and purchase the
• 1:21:58
  ancient knowledge.
• 1:22:02
  Yeah. So awesome. Yeah. This is a small
• 1:22:05
  town pizzery and this where you teach a
• 1:22:07
  child to kill.
• 1:22:10
  That is exactly Yeah. We used to pick my
• 1:22:12
  brother up from karate and go to the
• 1:22:14
  grossest pizza place in the entire town
• 1:22:16
  directly next door. Are you Are you
• 1:22:18
  Where are you from? I'm from South
• 1:22:20
  Jersey. So yeah, I'm from Cherry Hill.
• 1:22:22
  Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Oh, they don't
• 1:22:24
  have good uh pizza places in South
• 1:22:26
  Jersey. Yeah. No, it's pretty mediocre.
• 1:22:28
  Oh, that's so sad to hear. Yeah, I did.
• 1:22:30
  I used to go to this place. Uh is that
• 1:22:32
  where the Pine Barons are? I should know
• 1:22:34
  this. That's in South Jersey, but not
• 1:22:36
  further further out towards the Gotcha.
• 1:22:38
  I should know that. But not Why should
• 1:22:40
  you know that? What did you do? I don't
• 1:22:41
  know. It's like close enough to me that
• 1:22:43
  I should know where things are in New
• 1:22:45
  Jersey. It speaks to a general like
• 1:22:47
  naive that I don't know that. Wow. You
• 1:22:49
  think I think you think people are a lot
• 1:22:51
  more educated about Jersey than they I
• 1:22:53
  feel I should be. Guy who comes on a
• 1:22:55
  podcast running his damn mouth about the
• 1:22:57
  different forms of martial arts. He
• 1:22:59
  should have a generalized knowledge of
• 1:23:00
  what is and isn't. You try [ __ ] talking
• 1:23:02
  jiu-jitsu with the Pine Barons, buddy.
• 1:23:04
  You see what happens.
• 1:23:07
  Yeah. You're going to get suplexed to
• 1:23:09
  [ __ ]
• 1:23:11
  Yeah. Well, it's nice you hold me to a
• 1:23:13
  lower standard than I. Maybe you'll
• 1:23:15
  agree with this, Da. The pizza in
• 1:23:17
  Philly, I would say, is on par with New
• 1:23:21
  York, if not consistently better on
• 1:23:23
  average. I do not understand the hype
• 1:23:25
  about pizza here. Are we talking about
• 1:23:27
  this? Well, firstly, who cares? Who
• 1:23:30
  cares about New York? Not like related
• 1:23:33
  to this conversation, but like what a
• 1:23:34
  dumb Shut the [ __ ] up. But what a dumb
• 1:23:36
  food to have a national pride. That's
• 1:23:38
  one thing I've always admired about
• 1:23:39
  Boston. We're We don't have a food we're
• 1:23:41
  annoying about. Roll clam chowder. No,
• 1:23:44
  they don't really care about that
• 1:23:46
  though. Clam chowder is just other
• 1:23:48
  people trying to like prescribe a food
• 1:23:50
  to Boston. I don't need know a lot of
• 1:23:51
  people from Boston actually give a [ __ ]
• 1:23:53
  about like Yeah. Lobster or whatever. We
• 1:23:55
  give a [ __ ] about Dunkin D. We give a
• 1:23:57
  [ __ ] about like gas station coffee which
• 1:23:59
  like we do Cumies. Cumbies. Well, like
• 1:24:01
  that's the thing. Wawa. That's the
• 1:24:03
  That's the thing though. Like Waw Wa.
• 1:24:04
  Oh. Yeah. We don't like like Dunkin'
• 1:24:08
  Donuts of food though. We like it like
• 1:24:09
  we like a sports team. We're just
• 1:24:11
  rooting for a brand. Yeah. Which I
• 1:24:13
  respect and I like. I hate when I hate
• 1:24:15
  people who are annoying about a food
• 1:24:16
  that you should actually care about.
• 1:24:19
  Okay. So, pizza. What else? What else
• 1:24:20
  qualifi? Like do you think like Chicago
• 1:24:22
  hot dogs is like the same Oh my god.
• 1:24:26
  Jesus Christ. Well, they're just
• 1:24:28
  annoying about everything over there.
• 1:24:29
  That's a really weird thing. You
• 1:24:31
  ketchup. You got Chicago beef. Yeah. I
• 1:24:33
  don't I don't I like Chicago just fine.
• 1:24:35
  I think I I just think they have a a
• 1:24:37
  ridiculously like oversized sense of
• 1:24:40
  importance about themselves. Yeah. I
• 1:24:42
  think the Chicago lobby is way too
• 1:24:44
  powerful. The cultural Chicago lobby. I
• 1:24:47
  I as a regular person asked to care
• 1:24:49
  about Chicago far more than I should be.
• 1:24:52
  Yeah. They call their [ __ ] comedy
• 1:24:54
  theater the second city, which is
• 1:24:56
  ridiculous that you guys even think that
• 1:24:59
  you qual you're lucky to qualify as the
• 1:25:01
  third city. Maybe.
• 1:25:03
  Yeah. Yeah. I would say they're the
• 1:25:06
  third city in terms of population size.
• 1:25:08
  I think I think it's like just cultural
• 1:25:10
  reach. I think they're the third city.
• 1:25:12
  Mhm. Yeah. Which I think is inherent
• 1:25:14
  with population. Yeah. Which is great.
• 1:25:16
  You guys should be perfectly happy with
• 1:25:18
  that. Well, if it was inherent with
• 1:25:19
  population, then I feel like Oh, well,
• 1:25:21
  that's densely populated. Never mind.
• 1:25:23
  Because then wouldn't like the most
• 1:25:24
  populous state be have more of an
• 1:25:26
  influence on like American culture?
• 1:25:28
  Yeah. You know, but what is the most
• 1:25:29
  populist? Like New Jersey is the most
• 1:25:31
  densely populated California. Never
• 1:25:33
  mind. All right, cool. Yeah, I guess
• 1:25:35
  that does kind of work. Are we only
• 1:25:37
  gamers in here right now? Only gamers.
• 1:25:39
  Like a safe space. I go safety off. All
• 1:25:42
  right. Uh, so the Resident Evil games
• 1:25:44
  are supposed to take place in Chicago.
• 1:25:46
  That's like Raccoon City. Yeah, Raccoon
• 1:25:48
  City is supposed to be Chicago. And I've
• 1:25:50
  always like had like a funny joke in my
• 1:25:52
  head where just like Resident Evil stuff
• 1:25:53
  is like regional Chicago stuff. Like
• 1:25:56
  your like [ __ ] Midwestern cousin is
• 1:25:58
  like, "Hey, whoa, buddy. Where's your
• 1:25:59
  jewel puzzle?
• 1:26:02
  That's it. Walking around with tank
• 1:26:03
  controls in Chicago.
• 1:26:06
  Save the civilian. Oh no, they have
• 1:26:08
  ketchup on their dog. Kill them.
• 1:26:12
  That's it. Benny, do you like horror
• 1:26:15
  games? Uh, I haven't really played any.
• 1:26:17
  I don't think I know or like what what
• 1:26:20
  is your relation? I've been talking
• 1:26:21
  about this with more people recently. A
• 1:26:23
  lot more people than I realize hate
• 1:26:24
  horror. Really? Yeah. My first kiss is
• 1:26:27
  House of the Dead. Your first kiss was
• 1:26:29
  in the film Uve B's house. No, in like
• 1:26:32
  the arcade game house that Oh, that's
• 1:26:35
  like a joke kind of like what if we made
• 1:26:37
  out in the blank.
• 1:26:40
  What if we made out in the Sega the Lost
• 1:26:41
  World arcade? I feel like I was pretty
• 1:26:43
  much kissed as a joke, too, but it still
• 1:26:45
  counts. A buddy, don't say that [ __ ]
• 1:26:48
  about yourself. I think you were very
• 1:26:49
  sincerely kissed in the House of the
• 1:26:50
  Dead arcade. Well, I was so caught off
• 1:26:52
  guard, I did not stop playing the game.
• 1:26:55
  I was getting smooshed to just
• 1:26:58
  I got I would have just turned the gun
• 1:27:00
  on myself.
• 1:27:03
  Mag we're not even married.
• 1:27:06
  This is the second time of m I've uh
• 1:27:09
  this is the second time this podcast
• 1:27:11
  I've name dropped Michelle Gold. She
• 1:27:12
  reminded me of the term mag dumping the
• 1:27:14
  other day. I've just been saying it
• 1:27:16
  everywhere. Yeah. Like as in your
• 1:27:18
  magazine. Yeah. Like like emptying a
• 1:27:19
  magazine. Yeah, I'm going to bring up
• 1:27:22
  the idea of gaming and and the kissing
• 1:27:25
  of further uh just well no in a negative
• 1:27:28
  way. It was just like I remember being
• 1:27:30
  at this there's this girl that in middle
• 1:27:32
  school we like dated for like a week and
• 1:27:37
  and you were how old? Do you remember
• 1:27:39
  whatever whatever age you are in sixth
• 1:27:41
  grade? Oh, sixth grade. Okay. Early.
• 1:27:44
  Yeah. Um sorry comedians you got to ask.
• 1:27:46
  Oh, yeah. But um we I don't remember
• 1:27:49
  like we never we never kissed or touched
• 1:27:51
  in person, but we would like kiss on AOL
• 1:27:55
  or whatever. What would that look like?
• 1:27:57
  We were like I kiss you like typing out
• 1:27:59
  or whatever. Sorry. Extremely cringe.
• 1:28:01
  Anyway, um but then
• 1:28:06
  it's like you're making out like Amed.
• 1:28:11
  Darren, dude, I like loaded that up as
• 1:28:13
  you were saying it. And I was like, I
• 1:28:14
  hope he doesn't say that's off, man, cuz
• 1:28:16
  I'm going to come in hot with this. It's
• 1:28:19
  like it's going to be like the Chicago
• 1:28:20
  Resident Evil riff all over. They're
• 1:28:23
  going to carry me out of this studio on
• 1:28:24
  their shoulders like I'm damn Rudy.
• 1:28:28
  But so, okay, so years later, um,
• 1:28:30
  established some degree at least of like
• 1:28:33
  we have flirted, we've literally dated,
• 1:28:34
  whatever. Um, it's high school, we're at
• 1:28:37
  a party, it's maybe like 11th or 12th
• 1:28:39
  grade, maybe like 11th grade or
• 1:28:41
  something. Pool party, we're flirting.
• 1:28:43
  It's kind of going well. I can kind of
• 1:28:44
  feel like it's going to be a thing. Uh
• 1:28:46
  but then somebody's like, "Yo, you want
• 1:28:47
  to play Smash?" And I'm like, "I gotta
• 1:28:51
  play Smash Brothers right now. I gotta
• 1:28:53
  play [ __ ] Smash Brothers." And so I
• 1:28:56
  end up playing like Smash Brothers for
• 1:28:57
  like a few hours with the with the
• 1:28:58
  homies and then like she fully like left
• 1:29:01
  and I like I'm like I think about that
• 1:29:03
  all the time. Not all the time, but
• 1:29:04
  every but once in a while it comes to
• 1:29:06
  mind. I'm like that was so stupid. But
• 1:29:09
  anyway, I have definitely done things
• 1:29:11
  like that.
• 1:29:12
  Sometimes you just got to choose gaming,
• 1:29:14
  you know.
• 1:29:17
  Whatever. [ __ ] means nothing.
• 1:29:21
  I was like, I can't get I can't get a a
• 1:29:23
  completion on [ __ ]
• 1:29:25
  It's not a cheese%
• 1:29:28
  platinum [ __ ]
• 1:29:31
  I know. I was like talking about this
• 1:29:32
  with like my therapist or I was I like I
• 1:29:35
  don't think my like prior priorities are
• 1:29:36
  right cuz like I don't know like
• 1:29:39
  regularly I I'm like talking to people
• 1:29:41
  and like I think like I'm tired I want a
• 1:29:43
  game. I just go home.
• 1:29:46
  Whenever I get like a a new game like I
• 1:29:49
  I don't game as often as I used to but
• 1:29:51
  when I get a new one I get like too you
• 1:29:54
  get the damn zooies. I get the zooies
• 1:29:56
  and I get too into it and then
• 1:30:00
  like like my wife who I love will be
• 1:30:01
  like I'm going to bed like really like
• 1:30:06
  I'm sorry I'm about to get a cool car.
• 1:30:10
  You don't understand. One time a girl I
• 1:30:12
  was dating really ragged me when she
• 1:30:14
  said oh are you playing one of your
• 1:30:15
  games where Japanese teenagers talk to
• 1:30:17
  each other. I was like, damn. Well,
• 1:30:20
  times it gets all
• 1:30:22
  I got like so into Disco Alisium, which
• 1:30:24
  is just Oh, hell yeah. It's just like a
• 1:30:27
  story game. It's just reading. Yeah.
• 1:30:29
  Yeah. Well, Disco Allesium is a game I
• 1:30:31
  expect my partner to get and understand
• 1:30:33
  the appeal of. She actually did really
• 1:30:36
  like that. Yeah, it's well written. I I
• 1:30:39
  like hit the jackpot recently with like
• 1:30:41
  a person that I had been hooking up
• 1:30:43
  with. They really liked being ignored
• 1:30:46
  while they did their own thing. So I
• 1:30:49
  could just like play my 3DS like
• 1:30:52
  directly next to a person just doing
• 1:30:54
  their oath. And that's a dream for me,
• 1:30:56
  you know. I get to I get gaming and and
• 1:30:59
  intimacy, I guess. Damn. The vibe in one
• 1:31:02
  podcast has never shifted so heavily
• 1:31:04
  when one guest left. It's been all gamer
• 1:31:06
  talk now. I actually want to I can play
• 1:31:09
  my 3DS. I I want to like I want to
• 1:31:12
  circle back to something you said. Oh
• 1:31:13
  no. Uh adults who uh can't do horror
• 1:31:16
  movies. M that's like uh that's uh
• 1:31:19
  ridiculous, right? That's like a very
• 1:31:22
  silly thing. Yeah. It's like you know
• 1:31:24
  this is fake, right? Yeah. Right. Uh
• 1:31:26
  yeah, I'll help you out, bro. The people
• 1:31:27
  on real. Yeah. It's like uh do you know
• 1:31:31
  that like Tyler the Creator thing about
• 1:31:33
  like how is cyber bullying real? Just
• 1:31:35
  turn off the computer and walk away.
• 1:31:37
  That is how I feel about adults being
• 1:31:39
  scared of horror movies. That's
• 1:31:42
  Well, yeah. So, Benny, you never said
• 1:31:44
  like if you're into horror or not in
• 1:31:45
  general. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I am. Yeah.
• 1:31:47
  Okay, that I feel like that makes sense.
• 1:31:49
  I think there was like a a switch that
• 1:31:50
  flipped at a certain age where like as a
• 1:31:52
  kid I was like, why would I want to be
• 1:31:53
  scared? And then genuinely at some point
• 1:31:56
  I was like, oh, it's not real. Yeah,
• 1:31:58
  it's not real, bro. So, do you get do
• 1:32:00
  you get like adrenaline from hor? I
• 1:32:02
  don't know about you guys. I just
• 1:32:03
  haven't played horror games. I just
• 1:32:04
  haven't done it. A lot of I haven't
• 1:32:07
  played a lot of horror. I like zombie
• 1:32:09
  like zombie games. Okay. Oh, sure. Yeah,
• 1:32:11
  I've done that. even as like a I I I had
• 1:32:14
  such like a comically liberal Boston
• 1:32:17
  household that like I couldn't I
• 1:32:19
  couldn't comfortably play Call of Duty.
• 1:32:21
  Like I'm committing a crime, but if I
• 1:32:23
  shot zombies or Aliens, it felt okay.
• 1:32:26
  Then Halo 2 pulled the rug out from
• 1:32:27
  under like I'm still I'm still doing
• 1:32:31
  one of my one of my favorite memories
• 1:32:33
  about like memories of gaming is one
• 1:32:35
  time I was Resident Evil I was playing
• 1:32:37
  Resident Evil 2 remake and my roommate
• 1:32:39
  was watching me. my roommate who like at
• 1:32:41
  the time didn't really care about video
• 1:32:42
  games. It was just like I don't know
• 1:32:44
  home. And uh if you ever play Resident
• 1:32:47
  Evil 2, there's like a big monster that
• 1:32:49
  chases you throughout the game. Yeah.
• 1:32:51
  And uh there's like a quiet part where I
• 1:32:53
  like solve the puzzle and that monster
• 1:32:55
  like jumps out of a window at you. Then
• 1:32:57
  me and my roommate like a Scooby-Doo
• 1:32:59
  episode. We both went
• 1:33:02
  and I like actually like hold that
• 1:33:04
  memory
• 1:33:05
  like that was great. Yeah. That's like
• 1:33:07
  dear. I think I think Also, one time I
• 1:33:10
  beat a Dark Souls boss and he un
• 1:33:12
  unprompted he posted up for a high five.
• 1:33:15
  Hell yeah. That's beautiful, dude. Yeah,
• 1:33:18
  I hugged a roommate after cuz he Did you
• 1:33:20
  have the same thing where a roommate
• 1:33:21
  made you play Dark Souls? No. No, I was
• 1:33:24
  playing Yeah. Yeah. No, nobody's ever
• 1:33:26
  made me play Dark Souls. That's always
• 1:33:28
  been on my own accord. What? But I feel
• 1:33:32
  I love Dark Souls. I love the from
• 1:33:33
  software games, but I do think that like
• 1:33:35
  the first time you do it, I do think
• 1:33:37
  it's kind of somebody gives you that
• 1:33:38
  push. But where was I going with this?
• 1:33:40
  Well, similarly to ridiculous adults not
• 1:33:43
  being able to do horror movies
• 1:33:45
  sometimes, like you meet like a grown
• 1:33:47
  adult who's self selfidentify as a
• 1:33:50
  gamer, but they're like, "Oh, but I'm
• 1:33:51
  I'm too scared to play Elden Ring." And
• 1:33:53
  uh you're a child.
• 1:33:56
  Scared or bad? Like they're afraid of
• 1:33:58
  like dying a lot. And it's like, "Hey,
• 1:34:00
  uh the game's not real, bro. Yeah,
• 1:34:02
  little pro tip. The game's already You
• 1:34:04
  die in the game, you're still alive,
• 1:34:05
  bro. I did finally like each avatar is a
• 1:34:08
  piece of my soul.
• 1:34:10
  A hard like people are like afraid to
• 1:34:13
  die in a game. It's like, yeah, you die
• 1:34:15
  and you try again and you beat the guy
• 1:34:16
  and it's cool. Well, some people don't
• 1:34:18
  like frustration as I'm not speaking as
• 1:34:21
  you know. I'm fine with a hard game. To
• 1:34:24
  which I would say get get over I'm
• 1:34:26
  gatekeeping. Get gatekeeping on the
• 1:34:28
  Betty Feldman podcast. Well, okay.
• 1:34:31
  Literally, I think that the the from
• 1:34:33
  software die, do it over and over again
• 1:34:35
  mentality. The ability to handle that
• 1:34:37
  frustration very obviously translates to
• 1:34:41
  standup com.
• 1:34:43
  That's why so many standups are going to
• 1:34:45
  correct myself. I'm not gatekeeping. I
• 1:34:47
  want more people to do a cool thing. I'm
• 1:34:48
  doing the opposite of gatekeeping. Yeah.
• 1:34:51
  I'm uh opening. I'm issuing a little
• 1:34:53
  correction to myself. Yeah. Yeah. Uh
• 1:34:56
  you're going get good. [ __ ] I want
• 1:34:58
  everybody to get good. My my old
• 1:35:01
  roommate Sorry. Oh, no. You go. Oh, my
• 1:35:03
  old roommate got cursed pretty early on
• 1:35:05
  in Dark Souls and like it's pretty hard
• 1:35:07
  and annoying to like get uncursed, but
• 1:35:09
  we continually instead of saying get
• 1:35:11
  good forever, we always say uh get
• 1:35:13
  uncursed, which are kind of fun. Oh
• 1:35:16
  yeah, double cursed. You have to do it
• 1:35:18
  in stand up. You do have to get
• 1:35:20
  uncursed. That feels right. What were
• 1:35:23
  you gonna say? But like out I I would
• 1:35:25
  say like this doesn't just apply to like
• 1:35:26
  Dark Souls. implies like out of movies
• 1:35:29
  and comedy where it's like food fight
• 1:35:32
  that you like don't enjoy kind of like
• 1:35:34
  bumping up against like a difficult
• 1:35:36
  piece of art. That's like a good feeling
• 1:35:38
  to me. That's fun. It's fun to like wrap
• 1:35:40
  my head around something like incredibly
• 1:35:42
  dense. Yeah. I like at some point I'm
• 1:35:46
  sorry I'm boring you. Oh no no no no. I
• 1:35:48
  just I just had made a bunch of balls
• 1:35:49
  and I thought it'd be funny to throw
• 1:35:50
  them. I just made a bunch of balls. No,
• 1:35:52
  no, no. I enjoyed that point quite a
• 1:35:54
  lot. Yeah. At some point I think like
• 1:35:58
  I I realized I wasn't actually offended.
• 1:36:00
  Oh yeah. And issuing a correction
• 1:36:02
  earlier I actually wasn't gatekeeping.
• 1:36:05
  I felt like I needed at some point in my
• 1:36:08
  like early 20s to like if I like to
• 1:36:12
  force myself to like watch consume art
• 1:36:15
  that I didn't think I liked. Okay. And
• 1:36:17
  like sometimes I was like correct or
• 1:36:20
  like I I really didn't like it. But then
• 1:36:22
  sometimes I was like, "Oh, I just didn't
• 1:36:23
  know enough about this kind of I think
• 1:36:25
  even a bad movie is better than no
• 1:36:27
  movie." What's What's like an example of
• 1:36:28
  that though? Like art that you thought
• 1:36:29
  you didn't like? I think like like
• 1:36:32
  literally like like abstract art. Like I
• 1:36:36
  You worked at a museum. I worked at
• 1:36:40
  like like Frank Zappo was like a I went
• 1:36:41
  on a big journey with him over my
• 1:36:44
  lifetime. That's so because you you've
• 1:36:46
  showed me some Zappa stuff that I didn't
• 1:36:47
  know like about that that Doo [ __ ] album.
• 1:36:50
  Yeah. Well, I think like I had to kind
• 1:36:51
  of go like cuz I think at first I got
• 1:36:54
  into him because he was funny, but then
• 1:36:56
  a lot of the humor is very edge lordy.
• 1:36:57
  So then I kind of like was like, "Oh,
• 1:36:59
  no. This is offensive." And then I was
• 1:37:00
  like, "Oh, wait, but some of the music
• 1:37:01
  is good." And then I I had to figure out
• 1:37:03
  how I felt and it was like I a lot of
• 1:37:06
  stuff like that people come at it from
• 1:37:07
  like a defensive position where it's
• 1:37:09
  just like they can't like really make
• 1:37:11
  heads or tails of it cuz at the
• 1:37:12
  beginning you're not supposed to. you're
• 1:37:14
  not meant to. But like immediately
• 1:37:15
  they'll like they'll be like, "Oh, you
• 1:37:17
  think you're [ __ ] smarter than me?
• 1:37:19
  Like maybe you're [ __ ] stupid. Maybe
• 1:37:20
  I'm like seeing something that like
• 1:37:22
  everybody who likes this isn't seeing,
• 1:37:23
  which is is that it's fake and
• 1:37:25
  bullshit." And like that I think is a
• 1:37:27
  feeling that a lot of people need to get
• 1:37:29
  over. Yeah. That's like a lame like when
• 1:37:32
  people like will be I don't know if that
• 1:37:34
  made sense. No, no, no. Like people will
• 1:37:35
  say that like about a movie, it's like
• 1:37:37
  that could never happen. Like that's
• 1:37:39
  like that's not that doesn't make or
• 1:37:41
  break.
• 1:37:43
  It's also like the It's the only good
• 1:37:46
  movie. Yeah. That can never happen.
• 1:37:51
  Yeah. Well, it's like this the whole
• 1:37:52
  like my kid could paint this attitude.
• 1:37:55
  Yeah. I Okay, I do sometimes though like
• 1:38:00
  Okay, some abstract art totally is good.
• 1:38:03
  Some of it I am like shut up. You know
• 1:38:06
  what I mean? But that's like any any
• 1:38:08
  artist. Definitely like people that are
• 1:38:10
  just I don't see a lot of stuff that
• 1:38:12
  like to like full on like say shut up.
• 1:38:14
  But like the way I approach it is like a
• 1:38:17
  lot of people will see like a piece of
• 1:38:19
  like abstract art they don't like and
• 1:38:20
  kind of respond to it like the arts is
• 1:38:22
  getting away with something. I don't
• 1:38:24
  view I view art as a medium of
• 1:38:26
  self-expression. I don't see it as like
• 1:38:28
  you have to be like a certain amount of
• 1:38:31
  good to get away with being called art
• 1:38:33
  if that makes sense. I don't see it as
• 1:38:35
  like a technical competition. So, like
• 1:38:38
  from that perspective, like I I I don't
• 1:38:40
  really respond to like even like the
• 1:38:42
  most out there, obtuse, like esoteric
• 1:38:45
  [ __ ] like the tampon and a teacup kind
• 1:38:47
  of stuff. Like I I don't I don't tend to
• 1:38:49
  respond too harshly. Not saying I'm so
• 1:38:51
  enlightened. This is like uh Yeah.
• 1:38:53
  attitude I've taken on over the years
• 1:38:55
  after after Yeah. When I was younger, I
• 1:38:57
  I did used to respond negatively to that
• 1:38:59
  kind of stuff. And I think I was coming
• 1:39:00
  at it from a defensive position. Yeah.
• 1:39:02
  Cuz Yeah. Yeah. Like I feel like cuz
• 1:39:04
  when you're young, you want to prove
• 1:39:05
  something. You want to prove you're
• 1:39:07
  smart. That's very true. That's so true.
• 1:39:09
  I feel like like the classic like like
• 1:39:11
  one of the more famous examples is like
• 1:39:14
  like Marcel Duchamp like put the toilet
• 1:39:17
  seat on and people are like this is an
• 1:39:20
  art. But it's actually like I don't know
• 1:39:22
  man it kind of rocks. So funny. It's so
• 1:39:25
  funny. I say that I'm I'm not coming
• 1:39:27
  from this from this from like a Yeah.
• 1:39:29
  Sorry. I hope I didn't seem like I was
• 1:39:30
  trying to like big time your opinion.
• 1:39:32
  No, I guess my my thought is like I'm
• 1:39:33
  not coming from this from like a
• 1:39:34
  shooting from the hip. haven't looked
• 1:39:36
  into it type of way. I've looked into
• 1:39:38
  it. I've looked at a bunch of like
• 1:39:40
  modern plenty of people down the rabbit
• 1:39:42
  hole of like why like I know, you know,
• 1:39:44
  but it's like I at the end of the day
• 1:39:45
  I'm like I see people who are like on
• 1:39:47
  Instagram or whatever they're like doing
• 1:39:49
  that [ __ ] where they're clearly
• 1:39:50
  wealthy and have like a they're like a
• 1:39:52
  landlord who just drizzles paint on a
• 1:39:55
  different well. So, I think that I do
• 1:39:58
  think that those people are genuinely in
• 1:40:01
  that camp of like, uh, you're just
• 1:40:03
  getting away with being rich and having
• 1:40:05
  enough money to buy paint and splash it
• 1:40:08
  on a thing. And I do think there is like
• 1:40:10
  a that does genuinely hurt my soul
• 1:40:11
  because I feel like they're sort of I
• 1:40:14
  mean, it it does make it at least Well,
• 1:40:15
  I would I would say then maybe I'm
• 1:40:18
  putting this thought together as I say
• 1:40:20
  it, so it won't be particularly
• 1:40:21
  articulate or something. I would say in
• 1:40:23
  a situation like that when you see some
• 1:40:25
  like kind of like Jackson Pollock mess
• 1:40:27
  like a paint splatter on like a canvas
• 1:40:29
  or something like that the story behind
• 1:40:31
  the making of the art is part of the
• 1:40:32
  piece of the art itself. It's just like
• 1:40:34
  the story can be annoying. Yeah. If the
• 1:40:37
  story is annoying that's bad art. I
• 1:40:39
  would say if the story is like
• 1:40:40
  interesting it contributes to it. It's
• 1:40:42
  good. Yeah. Well, but also first person
• 1:40:45
  to do something and the you know what I
• 1:40:46
  mean? If like if you're like Rothkco,
• 1:40:48
  you're experimenting with colors. You're
• 1:40:50
  going, "What if we put this shade of
• 1:40:52
  blue over and over again layered in this
• 1:40:54
  different way?" And it's interesting. It
• 1:40:55
  creates a sort of unique vibe of maybe
• 1:40:57
  the ocean or fireplace. And also, there
• 1:40:59
  is a lot to say for how it reframes your
• 1:41:00
  like perception of like what art can be.
• 1:41:02
  I think that is very, but they already I
• 1:41:04
  guess my thought is they already [ __ ]
• 1:41:06
  did that [ __ ] And now if you're doing
• 1:41:08
  that now, if you make a Rothco now, it's
• 1:41:10
  like, dude, we know. You're like Adrien
• 1:41:13
  Brody just doing Basot now.
• 1:41:17
  Like guys, you're saying quit reheating
• 1:41:19
  Mark Rothkco's damn nachos.
• 1:41:22
  Right. Right. Right. There's people like
• 1:41:24
  there's literally somebody copying Basad
• 1:41:26
  on like Tik Tok and all the comments are
• 1:41:28
  like he's like a white guy and people
• 1:41:30
  are like, "What are you doing, dude?"
• 1:41:31
  Well, I'm like, "Yeah, I don't mean to
• 1:41:33
  like come out fully in support of like
• 1:41:35
  people who are like doing this, but
• 1:41:36
  they're like clearly like [ __ ]
• 1:41:37
  charlatans or whatever." Like we know so
• 1:41:40
  many people who like do this super like
• 1:41:43
  Yeah. esoteric style of standup where
• 1:41:46
  just like well you're just doing this
• 1:41:47
  because you're like kind of bad at
• 1:41:48
  standup.
• 1:41:50
  But you said like I feel like I don't
• 1:41:53
  know I have such like a
• 1:41:57
  like trying to categorize what is and
• 1:41:59
  isn't good art is so hard cuz then like
• 1:42:02
  there's like such like there's like some
• 1:42:04
  things that feel like really like oh
• 1:42:05
  this is obviously bad like the like the
• 1:42:08
  landlord dripping paint on like a thing.
• 1:42:10
  Yeah. I'm I'm also thinking of a
• 1:42:11
  specific landlord guy that I used to
• 1:42:13
  know.
• 1:42:15
  Got a landlord in mind and like the guy
• 1:42:18
  who does like the big like
• 1:42:20
  like steel uh balloon animals. Like I
• 1:42:24
  feel
• 1:42:25
  every like at least like the art
• 1:42:27
  community like hates guy cuz he just was
• 1:42:30
  an investment banker who was just like I
• 1:42:33
  can massproduce art and it but the thing
• 1:42:36
  is I'm not arguing against those guys
• 1:42:37
  being [ __ ] I'm just saying a lot of
• 1:42:38
  the time you can tell. Yeah. But then
• 1:42:40
  like sometimes like it does like you see
• 1:42:43
  it once it's like okay. I'm not gonna
• 1:42:44
  lie to you. The very first time I saw a
• 1:42:46
  steel balloon animal I did I did for
• 1:42:49
  real go I did for real go that's neat.
• 1:42:52
  But I but I don't like I actually don't
• 1:42:54
  know what the story behind it and the I
• 1:42:56
  don't like the mass manufacturer. I
• 1:42:57
  don't like this investment. Well that's
• 1:42:59
  like the weird and like like I think
• 1:43:01
  like one of uh my favorite photographers
• 1:43:05
  uh who is like a cool guy kind of uh
• 1:43:08
  Robert Mapleorp. did like the cover for
• 1:43:10
  Patty Smith's Horses. Like he did like a
• 1:43:12
  lot of like really like transgressive
• 1:43:15
  like gay photography.
• 1:43:17
  Put no effort into his art. He's just
• 1:43:19
  really good at photograph. I watched a
• 1:43:21
  documentary about him. Everyone's like,
• 1:43:22
  "Yeah, he had no depth as a guy." Well,
• 1:43:25
  yeah. This is what I'm saying. Like it
• 1:43:28
  just looks awesome. No, this is what I'm
• 1:43:30
  saying. Like effort is not conducive to
• 1:43:32
  good or bad art. Like a lot of the best
• 1:43:34
  fans in the world were just of all time
• 1:43:36
  were just [ __ ] around. You're like,
• 1:43:38
  "Oh, god damn it." Like I don't know.
• 1:43:39
  Like it's hard to have like a hard and
• 1:43:42
  fast rule that someone doesn't break. I
• 1:43:44
  mean, dude, Second City is private
• 1:43:46
  equity. Really? Yeah.
• 1:43:49
  Owned by like a massive just like the
• 1:43:51
  Red Sox. Really? Was it always or is
• 1:43:54
  that like recent? Uh last few years. I
• 1:43:56
  don't know. At one point they realized
• 1:43:57
  that the they realized that improv and
• 1:43:59
  comedy classes were a racket and so did
• 1:44:00
  I. What did you Oh, I think it was um
• 1:44:05
  How To with John Wilson, which rocks,
• 1:44:07
  but like He talked about um his ac
• 1:44:11
  cappella group was actually targeted by
• 1:44:14
  a cult because the cult did like market
• 1:44:16
  research that was like ac capella people
• 1:44:18
  are susceptible to joining really and I
• 1:44:22
  feel like improv is like right behind a
• 1:44:24
  capella. Can you like try to like parse
• 1:44:26
  that out? Why is that? I think it was
• 1:44:28
  like it's group comm Yeah. It's like the
• 1:44:31
  search for community and stuff like but
• 1:44:33
  is there also is the ac cappella mind
• 1:44:35
  just inherently soft?
• 1:44:38
  Well, they are like they are looking I
• 1:44:40
  feel like that's a group that's looking
• 1:44:41
  for community at all costs. Like
• 1:44:47
  I I don't care about if I have to get up
• 1:44:48
  in front of my dearest and dearest and
• 1:44:50
  go Yeah. Yeah. If you go up to somebody
• 1:44:53
  and do a scale, they'll take whatever
• 1:44:54
  [ __ ] pamphlet.
• 1:44:57
  I And I listen, I'm not sorry to [ __ ] on
• 1:44:59
  the capella community. I do think I
• 1:45:01
  think sometimes it's amazing and
• 1:45:02
  sometimes it's awesome, but often it's
• 1:45:05
  horrible. Uh, and I remember going to
• 1:45:07
  this ac capella concert at like at my
• 1:45:10
  college and I was just like, do you guys
• 1:45:11
  know the vibe that you have right now?
• 1:45:14
  Like this is horrible. That was like
• 1:45:17
  Sorry, I don't mean to yeah put a
• 1:45:18
  flamethrower to the ac capella
• 1:45:20
  community, but uh it's like it's dumb,
• 1:45:23
  right? It's stupid. Like even at the
• 1:45:26
  evenapella at its best, it's just like a
• 1:45:28
  trick. Like who cares? I forgot I I I
• 1:45:31
  had like a oneliner that I would do
• 1:45:33
  sometimes when I just needed like a
• 1:45:35
  quick joke and it was a man acappella
• 1:45:38
  people are going to be so pissed when
• 1:45:40
  they discover instruments
• 1:45:44
  like you're just like covering a song
• 1:45:46
  that somebody else wrote and you're not
• 1:45:48
  like putting like a thematic spin on it.
• 1:45:50
  You're just doing it like you're just
• 1:45:52
  doing like a what if like what if this
• 1:45:54
  sounded a little stupid? Derso didn't
• 1:45:57
  get into his a capella group. Where's
• 1:45:59
  the vision? I just want vision. And the
• 1:46:03
  weird thing is I think it's like hard.
• 1:46:04
  Like I think it's hard to do. Yeah, of
• 1:46:06
  course it's hard. I can tell it's hard,
• 1:46:08
  but it's just like it's just proof that
• 1:46:09
  something hard isn't worth doing. I'm
• 1:46:12
  going to I'm going to agree with that.
• 1:46:13
  And I think that if I like with the the
• 1:46:15
  jealousy thing, if I could sing, if I
• 1:46:17
  had a beautiful singing voice, I do
• 1:46:19
  think that there's a chance that at some
• 1:46:20
  point I would have tried to do. So there
• 1:46:22
  is absolutely there's absolutely an envy
• 1:46:24
  underlying current. If I were if I were
• 1:46:27
  if I had a beautiful singing voice, I
• 1:46:28
  would have I would have joined Pearl
• 1:46:30
  Jam. Yeah, true. I would have I would
• 1:46:32
  have become the lead instead. Yeah,
• 1:46:35
  true.
• 1:46:38
  I have a beautiful voice, but I could
• 1:46:39
  only do
• 1:46:42
  Let's harmonize. Let's do it. Oh my god.
• 1:46:45
  I got kicked out. What's everyone's
• 1:46:46
  karaoke goto? Uh, monster mash. Okay.
• 1:46:53
  Oh, come on now. Boom. Boom. I mean, if
• 1:46:57
  I'm Are you going to like hold it
• 1:46:58
  against me personally if I'm not I
• 1:47:01
  haven't even made a collage. I'm not
• 1:47:03
  going to
• 1:47:06
  They actually I don't have a go-to
• 1:47:07
  character. I did Slipnot one time and
• 1:47:08
  that was a lot of fun. Slipnot song. Did
• 1:47:11
  you duality? I've done duality. Duality.
• 1:47:14
  [ __ ] yeah, dude. That's a good one.
• 1:47:16
  Whenever like a horse sounds like this,
• 1:47:18
  I still think like that's the duality
• 1:47:19
  voice.
• 1:47:21
  That's slip knot, baby. My goto. I do I
• 1:47:24
  do uh suffragette city. Yeah. Say it
• 1:47:27
  ain't so. Hey man,
• 1:47:31
  dude. Exactly. Saying that at Quirio at
• 1:47:33
  Midway. Come on. That's fun. I was
• 1:47:36
  drown.
• 1:47:38
  I'm going to sing Duality at Quirio. I'm
• 1:47:41
  going to invade a queer space and sing
• 1:47:43
  Duality. One time I did the monster mash
• 1:47:46
  in the suburbs of Massachusetts and then
• 1:47:48
  a man who had hands but no arms
• 1:47:52
  came up to me and like put his hand on
• 1:47:55
  me and said that's the best version of
• 1:47:57
  the monster I ever had.
• 1:48:02
  You sang the song.
• 1:48:04
  That's like that's probably the best day
• 1:48:06
  of my life. Sorry. Wedding. Well, you
• 1:48:07
  know it's it's uh invented in
• 1:48:10
  Somerville. So maybe that monster
• 1:48:13
  monster
• 1:48:15
  like karaoke karaoke
• 1:48:18
  Japanese I'm invent I'm picturing the
• 1:48:20
  invention of karaoke I'm picturing a guy
• 1:48:22
  with like beakers
• 1:48:26
  perfect just one last
• 1:48:29
  also cuz no no nobody asked but um my my
• 1:48:31
  go-to is Moving Out by Billy Joel.
• 1:48:33
  That's a great character. It's a really
• 1:48:35
  good it's a really good one. It always
• 1:48:37
  always lights the room up. People always
• 1:48:39
  get into the act
• 1:48:42
  of Yeah. Right. Well, I I think like
• 1:48:45
  there there's obvious overlap, but like
• 1:48:48
  things there is like good songs and then
• 1:48:51
  there's good karaoke songs. Oh, yeah.
• 1:48:53
  There's a lot of overlap, but there's
• 1:48:54
  some things that it's like, oh, well,
• 1:48:55
  that's just a dang good karaoke song.
• 1:48:58
  Yeah, right. I also Girls by the Beasty
• 1:49:00
  Boys has been my go-to recently. Wow.
• 1:49:03
  Can't make that aquarium. No, you can't.
• 1:49:06
  You know what? Well, I hope with a with
• 1:49:08
  a sense of irony. I feel like the Beasty
• 1:49:10
  Boys had a sense of irony. Uh I mean
• 1:49:13
  that's that's up for that's up for
• 1:49:15
  debate with that first album. I mean
• 1:49:16
  they like they like apologized that
• 1:49:18
  first album. That first album almost
• 1:49:20
  called it something. Yeah, they Yeah,
• 1:49:22
  they almost called it something.
• 1:49:24
  What's up? Want to hear a joke? Sure. I
• 1:49:26
  like that they were apologetically party
• 1:49:28
  rocking.
• 1:49:32
  Yeah, she rocks. Mhm. Bennett LMFAO.
• 1:49:37
  Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. That was the name
• 1:49:39
  of them, right? Yes. I like that. That's
• 1:49:42
  a That's an uncle nephew duo. Yeah. Sky
• 1:49:44
  Blue and Red Fu. Can I tell Can I tell
• 1:49:47
  you a joke that uh if somebody if
• 1:49:50
  somebody's an hour and 50 minutes into
• 1:49:52
  uh a podcast that they are enough of a
• 1:49:56
  they're into this enough that I can tell
• 1:49:58
  this joke and get away with it? Okay. Uh
• 1:50:00
  well, I'm giving that context. Get away
• 1:50:02
  with it. Yes. Exactly. I I It's like I
• 1:50:05
  don't want to tweet it because I don't
• 1:50:06
  like the vibe of it and I don't want to
• 1:50:08
  do it in standup because I don't like
• 1:50:09
  the vibe of it, but I think it's funny
• 1:50:11
  and I can only do it in a context where
• 1:50:13
  I very heavily couch it and go, "Listen,
• 1:50:15
  I know." Anyway, here's a thought. Um,
• 1:50:18
  so Anthro Berdane uh killed himself over
• 1:50:21
  a woman. Uh, just goes to show [ __ ] is
• 1:50:24
  better than dinner.
• 1:50:26
  Okay,
• 1:50:28
  that's funny. I think that's funny. I
• 1:50:30
  don't think I can ever say that in any
• 1:50:32
  other context. Also, by the way, we're
• 1:50:34
  almost at two hours and that's probably
• 1:50:35
  when I'll make sure to free you. All
• 1:50:37
  right. But, um, no, I'm having fun. I'm
• 1:50:39
  rolling. This I'm having a very nice.
• 1:50:40
  Yeah, I'm having an excellent hang with
• 1:50:42
  you folks. We're off boss and into
• 1:50:44
  gaming and all kinds of damn [ __ ]
• 1:50:47
  The the the futility of a capella is an
• 1:50:49
  art form. Just the cosmic uselessness of
• 1:50:52
  any human being that's ever done a scale
• 1:50:53
  with their mouth.
• 1:50:55
  They um they made a reality show about
• 1:50:58
  the ac cappella group at my high school.
• 1:51:00
  Uh that was like it was like right when
• 1:51:02
  like the pitch perfect boom was going
• 1:51:04
  on. What was that? America's least
• 1:51:06
  talented high school. Yes.
• 1:51:10
  I would watch
• 1:51:12
  out of America's least talented high
• 1:51:14
  school.
• 1:51:16
  No, it was it was like them in
• 1:51:18
  competition. We went to 800 high schools
• 1:51:20
  to find the world's shittiest.
• 1:51:22
  Sorry. They No, they honestly they would
• 1:51:24
  have I mean everybody was very talented
• 1:51:27
  at my my high school. I was I shouldn't
• 1:51:30
  [ __ ] on their talent but man what a bad
• 1:51:32
  reality show, right? I think it's hard
• 1:51:34
  to make a bad like reality shows in
• 1:51:36
  general like you know they're bad
• 1:51:38
  already. So making one that's not
• 1:51:39
  watchable. Well, how would you find
• 1:51:42
  someone to root for? You have an
• 1:51:44
  annoying teenagers who do an There was
• 1:51:46
  no one to There was no one to root for.
• 1:51:48
  I forget what it was called. There was
• 1:51:50
  like
• 1:51:52
  a reality show
• 1:51:55
  in our childhood
• 1:51:57
  where it was of love. No, it was like a
• 1:52:00
  reverse American Idol where they told
• 1:52:02
  everyone they were looking for the best
• 1:52:03
  people and then they only passed the
• 1:52:05
  worst people and it just that's me. It
• 1:52:07
  felt it was way too big. That's so early
• 1:52:10
  2000s. It was so dawn of reality. So to
• 1:52:13
  not to interrupt, I am laughing that
• 1:52:15
  like I've had such like a weird like
• 1:52:18
  like bipolar pose this whole podcast cuz
• 1:52:21
  like 30 minutes ago I was like well all
• 1:52:23
  art is equal under God's eyes. Then 15
• 1:52:25
  minutes later I was like yeah if you do
• 1:52:26
  probably should kill yourself.
• 1:52:29
  I don't man I don't I don't have an
• 1:52:32
  opinion that can't change on a dime.
• 1:52:35
  My morals aren't loose. Yeah. This guy
• 1:52:37
  doing just vibes based opinions here.
• 1:52:40
  Yeah. Going back to what you were
• 1:52:41
  saying, that's incredibly mean. They're
• 1:52:43
  doing it's a reality show of only sanas.
• 1:52:46
  Yeah. Yeah. But I remember there was no
• 1:52:50
  one to root for cuz like the judges
• 1:52:52
  weren't even like being like funny like
• 1:52:55
  Did you guys ever watch like uh did you
• 1:52:57
  guys ever watch Last Comic Standing when
• 1:52:58
  that was I watched it a lot. I was like
• 1:53:00
  obsessed. Do we know what Last Comic?
• 1:53:02
  Everyone watch some sets and some of
• 1:53:03
  that. It's like I remember you know how
• 1:53:05
  like they did the episodes of American
• 1:53:06
  Idol where she's like hero the the worst
• 1:53:08
  auditions. I remember they tried to do
• 1:53:10
  that with Last Comic Standing. It's just
• 1:53:12
  like it was like brutal cuz it's like
• 1:53:15
  watching bad standup is just it's
• 1:53:17
  uncomfortable. I think Yeah, it's more
• 1:53:19
  uncomfortable than watching bad sing
• 1:53:21
  actually. Bad singing done in that was
• 1:53:22
  uncomfortable too. It's pretty insane. I
• 1:53:24
  feel like again like some of my favorite
• 1:53:27
  singers are bad singers. I mean like
• 1:53:29
  Well, I would say they're not trying to
• 1:53:31
  like be judged on the metric of am I a
• 1:53:33
  good singer. Yeah. Like watching someone
• 1:53:36
  with an acoustic guitar who thinks
• 1:53:38
  they're a [ __ ] superstar just do like
• 1:53:40
  the roughest and they're your best
• 1:53:42
  friend.
• 1:53:44
  I used to go to a lot and they're your
• 1:53:46
  brother No Gallagher.
• 1:53:49
  I used to go to like a lot of like
• 1:53:51
  suburbs of Massachusetts folk open mics
• 1:53:54
  cuz my dad Oh, cuz your dad? Yeah. I
• 1:53:55
  would go with my dad and play bass for
• 1:53:56
  him. Oh, that's a really uh cute uh but
• 1:54:01
  my dad would like hear writes songs and
• 1:54:04
  he's not like a famous but he writes
• 1:54:05
  songs he's good at but he would do like
• 1:54:07
  his own songs and I remember he would
• 1:54:09
  just like come off stage sometimes go if
• 1:54:10
  I hear one more teenage girl sing
• 1:54:13
  Hallelujah I'm going to kill myself
• 1:54:16
  cuz it was like just like everyone
• 1:54:18
  thought that they could be the Shrek
• 1:54:20
  yeah right which like they didn't like
• 1:54:23
  he's like they don't even know who
• 1:54:24
  Leonard Cohen is
• 1:54:26
  I'm going to Oh, John Kale. John Kale.
• 1:54:28
  John Kale did that song. John Kale
• 1:54:30
  originally wrote the song Let It Go in
• 1:54:32
  Company. I did not know that. Or it
• 1:54:33
  might be the other way around. I didn't
• 1:54:35
  know that. Yeah. Right. Please, please
• 1:54:37
  tell that to your father. I will. And
• 1:54:38
  he's going to kill himself, dude. He's
• 1:54:41
  going to kill. Please tell us in the
• 1:54:42
  form of song. Are you guys familiar with
• 1:54:45
  um the ac capella group Pentatonics?
• 1:54:47
  Yeah. Yeah. I think that their vibe is
• 1:54:51
  so fascinating.
• 1:54:53
  They're like Christian, right? Are they
• 1:54:54
  Christian?
• 1:54:55
  Let me let me let me clarify. I think
• 1:54:57
  that their vibe is horrid.
• 1:55:00
  It's like it's like very like um like
• 1:55:02
  200. Well, I'm actually trying to work
• 1:55:05
  with them. So, no,
• 1:55:07
  it's really it's really like 2010's um
• 1:55:10
  like millennial hipster core and like a
• 1:55:15
  like beanies and like it seems like
• 1:55:18
  Yeah, maybe I say it's Christian because
• 1:55:20
  it seems very Christian girl. No, no,
• 1:55:21
  no, it is. Well, okay. They have a song.
• 1:55:23
  They every year around Christmas as a
• 1:55:27
  bit I love to send my friends their
• 1:55:29
  cover of Little Drummer Boy. They're
• 1:55:31
  absolut I think they're absolutely
• 1:55:32
  Christian because they're like
• 1:55:36
  like they really give a [ __ ] about like
• 1:55:39
  Drummer Boy. They got the one guy like
• 1:55:41
  beatboxing.
• 1:55:44
  Yeah. Yeah. Right. I think that's my
• 1:55:46
  problem with ac cappella. I feel like if
• 1:55:48
  you're a capella there's only like one
• 1:55:50
  version of good singing, right? That's
• 1:55:52
  just like technically good singing which
• 1:55:54
  I I don't believe. I just don't think
• 1:55:55
  they should have a platform. You know,
• 1:55:57
  they should not be allowed to spread
• 1:55:58
  their gospel. Yeah, we got a deplatform
• 1:56:01
  acappella.
• 1:56:02
  The New Jersey the I I think quite good
• 1:56:05
  New Jersey punk band Titus Andronicus
• 1:56:08
  did a like the opposite of that where
• 1:56:09
  they had a very funny Christmas version
• 1:56:11
  of Little Drummer Boy that was to the
• 1:56:14
  tune of Piano Man by Billy Joel. I said,
• 1:56:17
  "Play us a song. You're the drummer boy.
• 1:56:20
  We're all in the mood for
• 1:56:24
  and it's funny every time. I uh I just I
• 1:56:27
  like when people do like weird stuff
• 1:56:29
  with their voice. I don't know. There's
• 1:56:30
  like uh I I I just found this on like
• 1:56:33
  Spotify. There's a lady who did like an
• 1:56:35
  ac cappella cover of like every single
• 1:56:38
  Smith song. Literally every single Smith
• 1:56:40
  song. They sound like pretty cool.
• 1:56:42
  Honestly, I think her name is like
• 1:56:44
  Janice Whe. I'll give her a shout out
• 1:56:46
  cuz I feel like all of her songs have
• 1:56:48
  like a thousand listeners max. How did
• 1:56:50
  you find this? Is this your algorithm?
• 1:56:52
  Yeah, I was just like searching I was
• 1:56:54
  just searching a Smith song one day. I
• 1:56:56
  don't know. I'm a fan of that. You got
• 1:56:57
  to get anti-depressants, man. No. No.
• 1:57:00
  What are you talking about? When you're
• 1:57:01
  on the Smith side songs, do you not
• 1:57:03
  enjoy the music? Not gay. I need a lady.
• 1:57:06
  I need a lady to sing these songs. Do
• 1:57:09
  you guys have never stumbled upon a cool
• 1:57:11
  cover of a song you like on Spotify?
• 1:57:13
  Yeah. I feel like you're painting me for
• 1:57:15
  some kind of some kind of freak right
• 1:57:16
  now. Just by just by following the
• 1:57:19
  algorithm down a rabbit hole of whose
• 1:57:21
  experience I think we're all familiar
• 1:57:22
  with. I haven't follow the podcast. Get
• 1:57:25
  the [ __ ] out of here. Two to follow it
• 1:57:27
  to a capella though is is following it
• 1:57:29
  to extreme. Well, I didn't know it would
• 1:57:31
  be acappella. I just uh
• 1:57:33
  I feel like there are like like cool
• 1:57:35
  like a like a Petra Hayden is cool.
• 1:57:41
  Yeah. Bork did all a capella, you know.
• 1:57:43
  I love I I love that [ __ ] You know I
• 1:57:46
  love that [ __ ] Beetlejuice
• 1:57:50
  bork.
• 1:57:53
  The Swedish chef summons.
• 1:57:55
  Oh, okay. He goes like nice [ __ ]
• 1:57:58
  model. It's like bork bork instead of
• 1:58:00
  the honk. That's That one's for the real
• 1:58:02
  Beetlejuice heads. The sickos. The honk
• 1:58:04
  honk. Folks, we're at two hours. Okay. I
• 1:58:09
  think it'd be good to I think just keep
• 1:58:10
  it a nice clean two hours. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:58:12
  Sound good? Yeah. Hell yeah, brother.
• 1:58:14
  Thanks. Thanks for coming on, gang. I
• 1:58:15
  feel like we we really revealed our true
• 1:58:18
  ac cappella opinions at the end. Let's
• 1:58:20
  Okay, so to I guess to wind it down,
• 1:58:22
  let's take a look at the art we've made
• 1:58:25
  and also I guess plugs. Freddy, find
• 1:58:28
  Freddy Chanel online. Google their name.
• 1:58:32
  Freddy Chanel. They're very funny. Yeah,
• 1:58:34
  they're funny. Yeah, very funny. And
• 1:58:35
  maybe have a cool web series coming.
• 1:58:38
  Yeah, they got a cool web series. Just
• 1:58:40
  keep the other coming. Okay. What do you
• 1:58:42
  What did you guys make?
• 1:58:44
  Do you have enough Did you make
• 1:58:46
  anything? Uh, let's start with Benny. I
• 1:58:49
  think my favorite one is the guy with
• 1:58:50
  the with the coming out. I think that
• 1:58:53
  does rock. That's a lot of fun. Sick.
• 1:58:55
  Yeah. I forgot. I honestly forget what
• 1:58:57
  the [ __ ] else I made. But yeah. What you
• 1:58:59
  got, Joe? I made like the old timey guy
• 1:59:01
  saying this is your captain speaking.
• 1:59:03
  Adam Sandler woman. And then Adam
• 1:59:05
  Sandler with the head of a basketball
• 1:59:08
  and his own head in the place of a
• 1:59:10
  basketball with the text Adam Sandler
• 1:59:13
  seriously.
• 1:59:14
  And then some little stick figures
• 1:59:16
  praying to Adam Sandler.
• 1:59:19
  Um I put William Defoe and Smokey the
• 1:59:24
  Bear on a bunch of spies from World War
• 1:59:27
  II. Oh, that's great. And then I just
• 1:59:28
  drew some some strange That's sick. Hey,
• 1:59:31
  thanks. Some freaky aliens and stuff.
• 1:59:33
  Freaky. I love to draw freaky freaky
• 1:59:35
  demon men.
• 1:59:38
  I did find your notebook once and knew
• 1:59:39
  instantly.
• 1:59:41
  Yeah, I know. Wasn't that a crazy thing?
• 1:59:43
  My name is not in there and you knew
• 1:59:45
  exactly who it was. No doubt. Uh I I uh
• 1:59:49
  I made this pipe cleaner ring. This pipe
• 1:59:53
  I uh I made this really nice um honey
• 1:59:55
  flavored stick of birds.
• 1:59:58
  So cool. Thank you. Yeah. Where'd you
• 2:00:00
  get that? I I personally churned it
• 2:00:03
  over. How Yeah. What's What is the
• 2:00:05
  production process for a chapstick?
• 2:00:07
  What's the verb for that? I churned it.
• 2:00:10
  Beef wax. Yeah. Yeah. I waxed it myself.
• 2:00:13
  Conjured. Yeah. Whenever I find a I
• 2:00:15
  churned it out of my wax hole. Why did I
• 2:00:17
  say that? I I apologize. Thanks for
• 2:00:20
  coming. Hey, thanks for coming on, gang.
• 2:00:21
  Whenever I find a comedian's notebook, I
• 2:00:23
  always like to write thoughts on the
• 2:00:24
  Jews somewhere in there. See, mine
• 2:00:26
  already has that all over my notebook.
• 2:00:30
  Yeah.
• 2:00:32
  And folks, that's our show. Where can
• 2:00:33
  people find you? Actually, Joe, real
• 2:00:35
  quick.
• 2:00:37
  Can I Can they follow you on uh
• 2:00:40
  Instagram, Twitter, still somehow, you
• 2:00:43
  know? Every time I ask for their plugs,
• 2:00:45
  it's just like look them up. You know
• 2:00:47
  what I mean? Yeah. It's just like you'll
• 2:00:48
  [ __ ] figure it out. Anyway, D, how
• 2:00:50
  about you? I was going to say, yeah, my
• 2:00:52
  my Instagram is is traumatized.
• 2:00:56
  I'm on there. Hey, that's what's that's
• 2:00:58
  what's up. you there. Good name. Thank
• 2:01:01
  you. Yeah. Derso. My name is Janice. Why
• 2:01:04
  I do AC capella Smith's covers. Look me
• 2:01:07
  up on Andrew Derso. Uh yeah, I'm there.
• 2:01:12
  Is your middle name underscore? No, it's
• 2:01:14
  not. Oh, wait. Uh on Instagram. Yes,
• 2:01:16
  that's the handle cuz Andrew Derso got
• 2:01:18
  to it. That's your That's your Yeah.
• 2:01:20
  What's his deal? Uh he's a uh Well,
• 2:01:23
  there are two. One does skate
• 2:01:25
  photography, another studies lizards. Uh
• 2:01:27
  I like Oh yeah. No, the Lizards guy.
• 2:01:30
  I've like almost a billion times like
• 2:01:32
  almost messaged him like, "Hey man,
• 2:01:34
  sorry. I hope I hope I haven't like
• 2:01:36
  ruined your SEO or like made it harder
• 2:01:39
  for you to get a job anywhere." Not that
• 2:01:40
  I've done anything like jocking on the
• 2:01:43
  internet. But you have all that anti-
• 2:01:44
  lizard stuff. Nice. Yeah. I'm like,
• 2:01:47
  "What if you're trying to get hired for
• 2:01:48
  like a lizard job and then like you
• 2:01:50
  search his name and it's like me talking
• 2:01:52
  about my uh my my bits in a standup ad."
• 2:01:56
  those coldblooded freaks. This I love
• 2:01:59
  lizards. I'm extremely pro lizards. When
• 2:02:01
  I did petting zoo, I chose a lizard. Oh
• 2:02:04
  yeah. Yeah. Same [ __ ] There's another
• 2:02:07
  Benny Felman who does stand up in San
• 2:02:09
  Francisco and people will be in San
• 2:02:11
  Francisco and be like, "Dude, are you
• 2:02:12
  here doing a show?" And I'm like, "Nope,
• 2:02:14
  it's a different guy. You should have
• 2:02:16
  stuck with comedian Benny."
• 2:02:19
  And that's our show.